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Just add water?

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im sorry if you look it says 10th may


i did....the fact that he posted the link....knowing it says may 10th

and adding CC:

probably means that there is a new beta sign up list that they have....which is why i typed what i typed

EDIT:

also i know this is offtopic but bear with me......they are really giving us a lot....and that last history pack has really made my save file more filled....i had to delete my objects so i could make room for the history pack since apparently it took some space...and now this water is coming with more stuff

so basically what im getting at is....any chance that they will make something to let us use our HDD to store more memory or something similar?		2009-08-18 21:52:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

i did....the fact that he posted the link....knowing it says may 10th

and adding CC:

probably means that there is a new beta sign up list that they have....which is why i typed what i typed

It's just confusion.

There is no new beta sign up list, that sign up list was for the online create beta, which has started and has been for the past month +.		2009-08-18 21:57:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

EDIT:

also i know this is offtopic but bear with me......they are really giving us a lot....and that last history pack has really made my save file more filled....i had to delete my objects so i could make room for the history pack since apparently it took some space...and now this water is coming with more stuff

so basically what im getting at is....any chance that they will make something to let us use our HDD to store more memory or something similar?

In their latest podcast, they've confirmed that more profile space is coming. 250 times more space apparently 		2009-08-18 21:59:00

Author:
noddle111
Posts: 174

Yes, from what I understand, current profile stuff is saved to the PS3's "save data utility", which doesn't offer a whole lot of max space. What I think they're doing is moving the profile save data to the "game data utility", which is where games get installed, and I'm pretty sure I've seen some games take up at least 6GB there. Very much looking forward to that time, although I can now imagine my profile turning into a complete mess with my never maintaining it.

Anyway, back on topic... This was totally unexpected, and looks awesome! I feel kind of bad that a lot of the underwater levels that have already been made are going to seem a bit outdated once this is released. But we'll all remember them fondly.

Honestly, i really really think that all the creator-packs, the major changes like the last creator kit with the new switches, the MGS pack with the paintenator, and this one should all be free. Costumes, extra stickers and decorations - I'm okay with all of that being paid content. But major additions like these really REALLY should be free, especially considering the content has to be installed in an update in order to play others' levels that implement them anyway...

Nevertheless, I'm quite excited. I'm sure, as others have said, that you won't be able to have water dispensers and the like, you probably won't be able to fill a bathtub like they suggest at one point in the video - instead it will likely be a "water level" that floods the entire level in a straight line from left to right.

but it still looks amazing. Now if only they'll make an official "background editor" function!		2009-08-18 22:13:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

Bit late for that isn't it?

I thought someone had announced a new beta for the water then!
Chances are i wouldn't be allowed in a new beta anyway, i'm always breaking my NDA xD

Dude i was rplying to some one els about that the online create wil be in a pack with the water

ps;
sponge floats
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/670/111bmi.jpg		2009-08-18 22:21:00

Author:
Unknown User

Cool.... cardboard and polysteryrne (How do you spell it?) probaby do too...2009-08-18 22:23:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

Cool.... cardboard and polysteryrne (How do you spell it?) probaby do too...

correct

but what about wood?		2009-08-18 22:24:00

Author:
Unknown User

correct

but what about wood?

wood might float but sink when sackboy steps on it, because all the ones that float are light material...		2009-08-18 22:26:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I can't believe my little sack eyes.

I'm almost speechless, I mean WATER is no easy thing to add, and I'm positive the WATER addition might be a part of a new Creator Kit, since the last one was called Creator Kit 1. I'm soooo curious as to what else will be in the kit.

Now all that is missing is WIND (which can be constant or triggered, and the strength can be set and depending on the strength will effect the sack person accordingly, etc), and ICE of course should be brought back. 		2009-08-18 22:27:00

Author:
Unknown User

what about stone

what if we launce a rocket in the water		2009-08-18 22:27:00

Author:
Unknown User

i did....the fact that he posted the link....knowing it says may 10th

and adding CC:

probably means that there is a new beta sign up list that they have....which is why i typed what i typed

EDIT:

also i know this is offtopic but bear with me......they are really giving us a lot....and that last history pack has really made my save file more filled....i had to delete my objects so i could make room for the history pack since apparently it took some space...and now this water is coming with more stuff

so basically what im getting at is....any chance that they will make something to let us use our HDD to store more memory or something similar?

DLC doesn't add anything to your save file. Simply having the history pack won't overload your file.		2009-08-18 22:28:00

Author:
Reef1978
Posts: 527

Honestly, i really really think that all the creator-packs, the major changes like the last creator kit with the new switches, the MGS pack with the paintenator, and this one should all be free. Costumes, extra stickers and decorations - I'm okay with all of that being paid content. But major additions like these really REALLY should be free, especially considering the content has to be installed in an update in order to play others' levels that implement them anyway...

Well... really, you are getting them for free. Think of all the thousands of levels that use the paintinator, which everyone can play even if they don't have the pack. What you're paying for is being able to add it to your levels. It'll probably be the same with water.

Also, major additions are the one thing I don't hesistate to buy. Whatever it is, I'm getting it, as everyone else here probably would. And a LOT of work probably went into getting the water right, you can't really expect them to do all that for free.


sponge floats

It's a miracle! Who'd have though sponge would float? Next you'll be telling us that metal sinks....

Also, you still haven't given any evidence that water will be released with online create. I don't see how your previous post proves it...		2009-08-18 22:28:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

hey guys i found somthing out in the video
metal sinks 		2009-08-18 22:30:00

Author:
Unknown User

I'm positive that all of the materials will re-act realistically when in water, simply because it would throw things off if they didn't since LBP uses a physics engine.2009-08-18 22:33:00

Author:
Unknown User

So, does anyone here think that the diving suit is an enhancement?
In the video, sackbooy floats without it. But with it, he can swim (as if with a jetpack).
Anyone agree or am I wrong?		2009-08-18 22:36:00

Author:
Jedi_1993
Posts: 1518

I'm positive that all of the materials will re-act realistically when in water, simply because it would throw things off if they didn't since LBP uses a physics engine.

Indeed. Things will probably float or sink depending on their weight and shape. So you should theoretically be able to make a floating boat from metal if you design it properly.		2009-08-18 22:37:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

Of course... now someone can go and be totally evil by remaking the time-bomb-defusing stage with the electric algae from TMNT for the NES.

YouTube - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Area 2 Bomb Locations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUrswGSXsY)



......that's incredibly tempting.

And the algae could also shoot at you or something!


Anyway this is like, just great. Leave it to MM to come up with the best download stuff EVER. This looks to be as totally awesome as the MGS pack was.


.....also, leave it to MM to announce something like this and then let us all go slowly insane by wondering WHEN it's coming.

All part of their nefarious plan, Im sure. 		2009-08-18 22:37:00

Author:
Bridget
Posts: 334

So, does anyone here think that the diving suit is an enhancement?
In the video, sackbooy floats without it. But with it, he can swim (as if with a jetpack).
Anyone agree or am I wrong?

i sa in the vid that a littlesack with only some pants on swim but i think he got 30 seconds (i think) time to stay underwater til he drowns

ohyea that diving suit wil that be a costume are thust somthing like the jetpack?		2009-08-18 22:38:00

Author:
Unknown User

If Mm do manage to make things like water emitters then it's more than likely that we'll get wind at the same time since i imagine they'd pretty much work in the same way. The only difference being that wind wouldn't react to gravity.2009-08-18 22:47:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

There's so much we gotta figure ouy about it! Paintinator or jetpacks under water? Jow can you control what floats and doesn't? Does it slow objects down? THIS WILL BE AWESOME. IT WILL CHANGE LBP MORE THAN THE PAINTINATOR 2009-08-18 22:48:00

Author:
Incinerator22
Posts: 3251

There's so much we gotta figure ouy about it! Paintinator or jetpacks under water? Jow can you control what floats and doesn't? Does it slow objects down? THIS WILL BE AWESOME. IT WILL CHANGE LBP MORE THAN THE PAINTINATOR

thats true i am so exited 		2009-08-18 22:51:00

Author:
Unknown User

From what I can make out (with some educated guesses thrown in):

- To me it seems that the water level (surface of water) would be consistent for an entire level (stage / area of gameplay), with depth can be adjusted through something like the global lighting object (activated by a switch at one point in the video).
- Holding your breath monitored by a counter like the one when you go off-screen until death by drowning occurs when it runs out (or possibly forces sack to resurface?).
- Boat pieces? Engine? (something small and yellow in one frame on a boat, seems to be throwing up water like a real engine). Some other niece parts in there that would look nice on cars too (blue cone fenders with brake lights).
- Aqualung as a character enhancement (seen on several sacks as a yellow mask and tanks), picked up like jetpack and disables drowning, thus allowing unlimited underwater gadding about.
- Could this mean the return of the Brighton Pier background!? That I would love to see!!


Of all the incredible things in the video I really like the little sack gasp for air animation!
Adding "the bends" would make for some interesting gameplay challenges (though that would probably be going into too much detail) [though it could make another cause of sack-death in the form of death by resurfacing too quickly!).

Also, I've tweeted Mm about the topless sackgirl, this is meant to be a child friendly game... will somebody please think of the children!!!		2009-08-18 23:02:00

Author:
croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

Hee hee ya. i wonder if you;ll be able to slap people underwater and they lose their possible scuba suit attachment and drown >:]2009-08-18 23:05:00

Author:
Incinerator22
Posts: 3251

I didn't see a topless sackgirl... only a bottomless one @ 34 seconds in. Cheeky!2009-08-18 23:12:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

She's on the Mm homepage background and the placeholder image for the video. What actually caught my attentiion was the new hairpiece!

I just realised you'll see a lot more sackpeople sporting life bouy and mermaid costumes when this comes out!
What would be useful (though probably wont come out due to the lack of using two enhancements at once) would be diving boots. Could be useful for puzzles.		2009-08-18 23:16:00

Author:
croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

Do we get the music in the trailer also?2009-08-18 23:18:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

She's on the Mm homepage background and the placeholder image for the video. What actually caught my attentiion was the new hairpiece!

I just realised you'll see a lot more sackpeople sporting life bouy and mermaid costumes when this comes out!
What would be useful (though probably wont come out due to the lack of using two enhancements at once) would be diving boots. Could be useful for puzzles.

Oh there it is... thanks! Skinny dipping... scandalous!!


Do we get the music in the trailer also?

Oooh... that would be swell!!		2009-08-18 23:18:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

I would like to be beside the seaside! 2009-08-18 23:19:00

Author:
croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

Also, I've tweeted Mm about the topless sackgirl, this is meant to be a child friendly game... will somebody please think of the children!!!

dude at the sackgirl chest there is nothing most the sackgirl have B@@bs then?
i dont think so

hey guys i found so methings in the vid you guys wil like 		2009-08-18 23:23:00

Author:
Unknown User

Jow can you control what floats and doesn't?
There was something small on the back of the boat, some people think it's an engine and others think its a buoyancy tweaker.		2009-08-18 23:26:00

Author:
BSprague
Posts: 2325

hey guys i found so methings in the vid you guys wil like

What is it what is it what is it what is it what is it?		2009-08-18 23:27:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5263/40328947.jpg
a new decuration
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3136/25697333.jpg
an other decuration
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3879/98802770.jpg
bubbels at that thing so it means that thing is a kind underwater rocket
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6950/22255193.jpg
new light thingy
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3525/51761740.jpg
that underwater rocket thing
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1124/52588859.jpg
ice it floads		2009-08-18 23:34:00

Author:
Unknown User

I wanna make a submarine...think of it O_o2009-08-18 23:36:00

Author:
oldage
Posts: 2824

It's not a new light it's a new decoration surrounding the christmas light2009-08-18 23:37:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Here are some interesting thoughts . . .

-The ability to make the water appear normal or heated, etc, like bubbling water or steamy water, etc.

-Making an obstacle where players can fall through the ice (made with glass slapped with white sticker and the cracking ice sound effect or other) into the water.

-A level where the water setting is set to slowly rise so that you can make a level where you have to make your way up avoiding the water.

Anyways, water is nice, but the water temp idea reminds me of LAVA, and wind is still one I would really LOOOVE to see. I almost feel like I'm asking too much of Media Molecules. ^_^		2009-08-18 23:38:00

Author:
Unknown User

It's not a new light it's a new decoration surrounding the christmas light

realy how does that cristmas light look like 		2009-08-18 23:42:00

Author:
Unknown User

Because level kits are normally themed, it's probably going to be a beach theme. Thus one might logically hope for the reinclusion of the beach background but it might be asking too much.2009-08-18 23:45:00

Author:
Asbestos101
Posts: 1114

hey guys i found so methings in the vid you guys wil like
Eh nice finds Hybrid-leader!

I wanna know when this awesome kit will be out... !		2009-08-18 23:46:00

Author:
dajdaj03
Posts: 1486

And whoever brings up the topless sack girl thing, and contacted MM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!

Since when was a topless sack person anything new? There are tons of childrens shows with female characters topless with no breasts, like female animals or female characters similar to a sack person.

Anyone that brings that up is just silly. It's laughable. ^o^

This is LBP, not a nude photo shoot.		2009-08-18 23:47:00

Author:
Unknown User

Because level kits are normally themed, it's probably going to be a beach theme. Thus one might logically hope for the reinclusion of the beach background but it might be asking too much.

you got a real point at there 		2009-08-18 23:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

This announcement made me go...H2...WHOA!!!! (please tell me that one hasn't been dona yet) 2009-08-18 23:51:00

Author:
persona3fan93
Posts: 155

I'm saying gravity tool and weather tool in the pack!

If they come true I win 5 internetz!



Imagine that? Like that one level in that Sonic game where the gravity constantly changes?

It'd make some interesting puzzles.		2009-08-18 23:56:00

Author:
The Cheat
Posts: 25

Yeah, a beach theme would be nice.

But I still wonder if the water will be a part of a new Creator Kit 2 or a DLC? I was positive a Creator Kit, but everyone's speculation and things from the video make me unsure. Ah well, I guess we will just have to wait and see, although I can hardly wait. ^_^

OMG!! I wonder if a water slide or other water thing would be possible!? I guess it just depends on how they will let us manipulate the water. If it can only be a body of water, then things like that wouldn't be possible. But if the water can be made to move in certain ways and the water itself is effected by physics, then ooohh the possibilities.		2009-08-19 00:08:00

Author:
Unknown User

Surely sponges will float at first and then slowly sink as they fill up with water?2009-08-19 00:34:00

Author:
Matt 82
Posts: 1096

are you dumb if you readet the post before you you wil know where i am talking about and its not oftopic

Er.... he was referring to his own post being off topic.


Some really neat water ideas in this thread... I can't wait to hear more details from MM so we can speculate more clearly!		2009-08-19 00:55:00

Author:
hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

Some really neat water ideas in this thread... I can't wait to hear more details from MM so we can speculate more clearly!

But where is the fun in that? Wild speculation is where it`s at!!		2009-08-19 00:57:00

Author:
Matt 82
Posts: 1096

Too true, too true. Not to mention:

@Media_Molecule Is water the only new feature or is it the tip of the iceberg for the new DLC Pack?
@ovoro lol, tip of the iceberg I guess!

--Twitter


So, indeed there's going to be more to this pack, and from the sound of 'tip of the iceberg', I'd say the other stuff will also be very awesome!

I agree with others who said it would be awesome to have wind and lava. Maybe the sticker cutout tool - that would be great!		2009-08-19 01:01:00

Author:
hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

20 pages in eight hours?

Wow you people sure do want your water.

But this is still awesome.		2009-08-19 01:03:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

20 pages in eight hours?

Wow you people sure do want your water.

But this is still awesome.

I've had this in a tab since the start, all 300 replies on one page.		2009-08-19 01:12:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

20 pages in eight hours?

Wow you people sure do want your water.

But this is still awesome.

Hey, we're just really thirsty for some more information.

This new feature will definitely increase the flow of ideas for levels.

As a matter of fact, a flood of new ideas has been pouring into my mind ever since I learned of this.

Also, I suppose someone will have to invent a Jet Ski Cheetah(tm) to replace the now defunct Rocket Cheetah. 		2009-08-19 01:19:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Told you that y'all would like it. 2009-08-19 01:36:00

Author:
gevurah22
Posts: 1476

Hybrid one of those new decorations is just a candy cane from the christmas pack 0.o2009-08-19 01:40:00

Author:
King_Tubb
Posts: 435

wetting
Whetting. Sorry, that one really bugged me. Enough to make me post.		2009-08-19 01:59:00

Author:
Luminous_Reaver
Posts: 70

Whetting. Sorry, that one really bugged me. Enough to make me post.

And the pun has been lost on the guy scarred for life from LBPC because of some incident I know very little of D:

LET'S CALL ME!

...







Anyway... Eh... I just... um... /runs		2009-08-19 02:10:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

20 pages in eight hours?

Wow you people sure do want your water.

But this is still awesome.

*grabs Arkei and shakes him wildly*

Of course we want our WATER!!

*stops shaking Arkei and heads to her LBP hot tub*

2009-08-19 02:15:00

Author:
Unknown User

Any Price? OR IS IT FREE?!?!? 2009-08-19 02:19:00

Author:
PSN:AAM2730
Posts: 128

If you wanted to know why levelo packs take so long in coming, there you are. Can you imagine how hard this must be?! Anything you can fill with water, that breaks, can totally and inadvertently wreck your level. The physics and playtesting have got to be an awesome nightmare. That I will gladly endure.2009-08-19 02:19:00

Author:
coyote_blue
Posts: 422

Part of a new kit...

THERE'S MORE!?!

The water was 3D... maybe they liked what they saw with the 50 layer glitch?

I'M SOOOO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!		2009-08-19 02:24:00

Author:
tjb0607
Posts: 1054

The water was 3D... maybe they liked what they saw with the 50 layer glitch?

I'M SOOOO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They'd have been working on that WAY before the 3D glitch was public... unless bakscratch told them during those months he kept it a secret >_<		2009-08-19 02:25:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Yea I think that was likely a background. But hey, who knows!

Anyone think we'll be getting a whole bunch of water-y sound effects with the kit?		2009-08-19 02:31:00

Author:
hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

I thought water was lethal to sackpeople :-(2009-08-19 02:39:00

Author:
Samantha
Posts: 15

This looks awesome!
will it be free!		2009-08-19 02:40:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

Wow, simply amazing. It would really be a killjoy for me if it weren't free. :|2009-08-19 03:01:00

Author:
galacemiguel
Posts: 179

Chances are it won`t be free. The Paint gun wasn`t free and as some have pointed out, too much work goes into programming this kind of thing for them to hand it out without charging at least a small fee.2009-08-19 03:05:00

Author:
Matt 82
Posts: 1096

****.
Yeah!		2009-08-19 03:33:00

Author:
Project_MK
Posts: 80

i freaking LOVETHIS!!!
ICANTWAIT TO THINK OF NEW LEVEL IDEAS!
THIS IS GOIN TO BE REVOLUTIONARY FOR LBP!!!		2009-08-19 03:45:00

Author:
SpiderPS3
Posts: 34

I hope they do charge. Simply put, MM deserves to get payed for such efforts, even if the water can only be tweaked in very limited ways.2009-08-19 03:47:00

Author:
Unknown User

I hope they do charge. Simply put, MM deserves to get payed for such efforts, even if the water can only be tweaked in very limited ways.

I'm with you on this thought. This kind of DLC is certainly worth our money, and is a lot more work than new costumes (not that they aren't hard work) or stickers (blech!).

While I'm certainly happy enough to shell out cash for this feature, I feel for those who don't have the money, credit card, or Sony cards which don't even exist in Canada and elsewhere.		2009-08-19 04:10:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

Oh.
My.
Gawd.
No wai.

My dreams are answered and my mind is blown.		2009-08-19 04:30:00

Author:
TheMarvelousHat
Posts: 542

This really does renew LBP in a crazy new way. Level ideas flow away 2009-08-19 06:11:00

Author:
cstrfrk
Posts: 74

This is very good news. I am interested to see what else we get with this pack.2009-08-19 06:28:00

Author:
Spider-Jew
Posts: 1090

i hope its free but on another note they deserve to get paid... i can only get free DLC so 2009-08-19 07:12:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I'll be slightly disappointed if what we've seen is the only possibility for water. Zoning water doesn't even seem to be too much of a hassle. I mean HL1's water was essentially zoned out polygons with modified gravity.

It would be really cool if you could make sections of water then "waterfy" them like the gas tool but I digress. This is still awesome		2009-08-19 07:39:00

Author:
Waldo
Posts: 108

i hope its free but on another note they deserve to get paid... i can only get free DLC so

PSN cards are coming to england, welcome to the land of paid dlc.		2009-08-19 08:09:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

sign me up!@!!!@!#!@##$!

okay can someone explain to me how the **** did i get a negative rep in my profile for this quote?

it's absolutely phenomenal and my head is about to explode from shear frustration 		2009-08-19 08:46:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Im hoping for a Elements Pack.

Its highly unlikely since we've already got Fire and umh.. Earth?

Wind and Water would be awesome though. Admit ( Emmit ) it!		2009-08-19 08:59:00

Author:
jakpe
Posts: 84

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!


Thank you so much, Media Molecule.

I'm guessing the scuba mask is some kind of power-up that allows us to breathe underwater. This is gonna be sweet.		2009-08-19 09:26:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

Over the several pages that spawned overnight...
Have you discussed how Dangers would react in water?		2009-08-19 09:35:00

Author:
neonrage0
Posts: 284

That's a good point... Could you use fire underwater? (probably not)2009-08-19 09:37:00

Author:
iiiijujube
Posts: 594

That's a good point... Could you use fire underwater? (probably not)

But picture it like this:
A key object is on fire and you have to get it to water before you can use it.		2009-08-19 09:39:00

Author:
Zwollie
Posts: 2173

@zwollie - it they are going to have in-game extinguishing of fire (which is cool btw), does that mean they may add a hazard switch???2009-08-19 09:43:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Hybrid leader, yep those are the boat decorations and engine I previously mentioned, thanks for pointing those out!
I think the striped decoration (used as a drinks straw earlier in the vid) seems to be a candy cane from the christmas pack.
KernelM, the light I think hybrid refers to is the led beside it (currently off), also a similar shaped yellow depth (well surface actually) marker seems to be floating above and lights up when the switch is pulled and the depth changed.

A submarine eh, that's something I'll definitely have to make. I wonder if the new mechanics will allow for the creation of an airlock?		2009-08-19 09:44:00

Author:
croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

Hybrid leader, yep those are the boat decorations and engine I previously mentioned, thanks for pointing those out!
I think the striped decoration (used as a drinks straw earlier in the vid) seems to be a candy cane from the christmas pack.
KernelM, the light I think hybrid refers to is the led beside it (currently off), also a similar shaped yellow depth (well surface actually) marker seems to be floating above and lights up when the switch is pulled and the depth changed.

A submarine eh, that's something I'll definitely have to make. I wonder if the new mechanics will allow for the creation of an airlock?

that depth marker could be just something MM created to make the video easier to understand		2009-08-19 09:52:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

BRB, gotta get my jaw

OMG! So this is the game-changing function

I CAN DIE NOW		2009-08-19 11:40:00

Author:
AwesomePossum
Posts: 446

Fire would probably be put out my water, then electricity could maybe turn the entire body of water into a hazard?

Gas would probably be the same underwater

Maybe we'll have some new hazard that only works underwater 		2009-08-19 11:44:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

carefully overlay gas with water to create deathwater

Liking the electricity idea - lower the level of the water so the electric item is no longer submerged and you can swim.		2009-08-19 11:48:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

Methinks it could be ice?2009-08-19 12:09:00

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iiiijujube
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Already started a new level so I just need to add the water once it comes out in a few month. ^.^2009-08-19 12:21:00

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Syroc
Posts: 3193

Already started a new level so I just need to add the water once it comes out in a few month. ^.^

A few MONTHS. 'excitement gone and disappointment returned'		2009-08-19 12:26:00

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mistervista
Posts: 2210

Well, I rather be surprised by an earlier release so I'm just going to assume a few month.

Positive thinking combined with reversed logic for the win. 		2009-08-19 12:28:00

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Syroc
Posts: 3193

Well I'd rather have the LAG fixed first before anything else. Come on Mm. FIX THE LAG , it's ruining my LBP experience completely.2009-08-19 12:40:00

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mistervista
Posts: 2210

Well I'd rather have the LAG fixed first before anything else. Come on Mm. FIX THE LAG , it's ruining my LBP experience completely.

Water might actually bring all kinds of new lag as it has to respond to 4 sackpeople at once....

So let's hope they fix that quickly as well, ey!! 		2009-08-19 12:43:00

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Zwollie
Posts: 2173

Hybrid leader, yep those are the boat decorations and engine I previously mentioned, thanks for pointing those out!
I think the striped decoration (used as a drinks straw earlier in the vid) seems to be a candy cane from the christmas pack.
KernelM, the light I think hybrid refers to is the led beside it (currently off), also a similar shaped yellow depth (well surface actually) marker seems to be floating above and lights up when the switch is pulled and the depth changed.

A submarine eh, that's something I'll definitely have to make. I wonder if the new mechanics will allow for the creation of an airlock?

no problem

hey guys what if you got a box that is emty but close and you let it underwater wil the air stya in that wil be awsome then and submariens are then posible		2009-08-19 13:26:00

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Unknown User

hey guys what if you got a box that is emty but close and you let it underwater wil the air stya in that wil be awsome then and submariens are then posible

Good question. I'm not sure about that (but I don't think anyone is, apart from the Mm staff), but it would be cool if it did that though.

*Ideas emerge in head*		2009-08-19 13:44:00

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lk9988
Posts: 1077

no problem

hey guys what if you got a box that is emty but close and you let it underwater wil the air stya in that wil be awsome then and submariens are then posible

Then add two doors and instant airlock!

Just to point out regarding the sackgirl swimsuit talk a few pages back, I got on to Mm, it is laughable because it was meant to be! :blush: Purely a joke! Just innocent fun, like LBP!

Regarding the lag, unfortunately that will probably always go on, it happens in all online games. Though as far as I can see water shouldn't cause too much lag, splashes look to be just sticker effects like an ingame explosion, in which case it shouldnt lag much unless you have, say, 100 seperate 1 small grid square sized piece of metal falling into the water at once.

Thinking about sinking things now, a sort of endless sinking ship style survival challenge could be fun!		2009-08-19 13:45:00

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croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

@zwollie - it they are going to have in-game extinguishing of fire (which is cool btw), does that mean they may add a hazard switch???

I always thought about a de-hazard switches, but it's something that has got a sense only for electricity, since you can't turn back a carbonized material to a material...let's not even consider the gas.

The idea of fire things that de-hazard, but still appear burnt (a de-hazard solution?) can be cool, and the electricity that propagates in water is great, but I think we're speculating too much.

I just think of puzzles with swimmable water that enable to reach certain areas otherwise inaccessible, then pull lever, explore other areas and go on...		2009-08-19 13:46:00

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OmegaSlayer
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lk9988
i did som e reschearge and i came to the conclusion that my question is true if you look at the boat in the trailer you wil se that the boat came what underwater but where the sackboy was was no water 		2009-08-19 13:46:00

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Unknown User

I can't believe it

(it's really EPIC) yes, i'm late, but still, it's epic 		2009-08-19 13:51:00

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springs86
Posts: 785

I can't believe it

(it's really EPIC) yes, i'm late, but still, it's epic

youre late :hero:

hey guys what wil you guys think when you pres tha fire thing and select it with the water? Lava?		2009-08-19 13:57:00

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Unknown User

If not we can always put some of LBPC's finest glitch engineers to work on it!!2009-08-19 14:17:00

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croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

This is like RCT3: Soaked all over again...2009-08-19 14:29:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

you know whats going to happen now theres gunna be a surge of h4h swimming pool levels, and underwater prize levels...2009-08-19 15:03:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

Yup and we can ignore them just like we ignore the above water h4h and prize levels 2009-08-19 15:08:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

Awesome. It's a perfect excuse to finally go back to working on that level of mine, except... will it do proper waves (as opposed to ripples)?2009-08-19 15:17:00

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Rogar
Posts: 2284

I'm gonna guess this is coming a lot sooner than expected. Maybe next Thursday.
There's no way Mm would make a video of something that's months away, that's just dumb.		2009-08-19 15:18:00

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Sack-Jake
Posts: 1153

you know whats going to happen now theres gunna be a surge of h4h swimming pool levels, and underwater prize levels...

You're forgetting "Level that floods itself", "Depth Charge Survival" and "How to make 3D levels underwater". 		2009-08-19 15:21:00

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Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

I'd say this is coming in 2-3 weeks maybe. It would be kind of strange for them to announce something months before it's release but it's possible - it is like the biggest update so far

Also i want to remake the Tomb Wader level from Crash Bandicoot 3 		2009-08-19 15:22:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Curse you Dexiro, I wanted to do Tomb Wader!
*cries*		2009-08-19 15:23:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

now all we need is oneway materials and we can make Rainbow islands 2009-08-19 15:31:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

You're forgetting "Level that floods itself", "Depth Charge Survival" and "How to make 3D levels underwater".

not to mention Underwater Rollercoasters and "Cool place to chat underwater":kz:		2009-08-19 15:33:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

I would really love a jelly material.2009-08-19 15:40:00

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KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

I would really love a jelly material.

i think some glitch wil find somthing like that out

i hope when you go deeper in the water its getting darker like in the real world		2009-08-19 15:49:00

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Unknown User

Ohhh that'd be a nice touch if it does get darker...

There is always the GLT for that though

Ohhh - new idea: make it get darker as you go deeper, but unlock a torch in your level at some point to open up the dark area 		2009-08-19 15:51:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

i hope when you go deeper in the water its getting darker like in the real world
If it doesn't, you could always use the GLT.

EDIT: Nooo! rtm beat me by a couple of seconds! I'll get you next time!

Oh, and nice idea about the torch 		2009-08-19 15:52:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

I saw that in a flash game once

You controlled a submarine and had to collect minerals underwater to earn money, but you could only go to a certain depth before it got dark. If you wanted to go deeper you had to save up and buy upgrades like stronger armour and a torch 		2009-08-19 15:55:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Ah-ha!! I win I normally lose those "who posted first" thingumies.

The torch thing can obviously be done now, but it seems so much cooler, to me at least, underwater. This might have something to do with water being a new shiny toy though 		2009-08-19 15:59:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

You could make better space level too. And you won't even need the jetpack.

OOooooh, space ship adventure. Every now and then you you have to leave the safety of the space ship to solve a puzzle, but you won't have your diving gear to do that, so you have to be quick or get back inside the ship to get air.

So many ideas. o/		2009-08-19 16:00:00

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Syroc
Posts: 3193

It'd be great if you could make the water invisible so it's like antigravity or something

We should be able to change the colour too 		2009-08-19 16:01:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Reminds me of one of my first PS1 games (yep, back in those days) Treasures of the deep. You started off with one of those motorbike scaled submarines and then could upgrade to the likes of deep reseach subs and sleeker military subs etc.

rtm, how about invisible floors that dissolve whn this torch of yours is lit?		2009-08-19 16:01:00

Author:
croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

This calls for:

YouTube - Surfin' Safari-The Beach Boys-1962		2009-08-19 16:02:00

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Foofles
Posts: 2278

i bet one of our fine glitch engineers will find something useful we can leech off until the "wound" is patched2009-08-19 16:06:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

The torch thing can obviously be done now, but it seems so much cooler, to me at least, underwater.

Wait a minute, how can you use a torch underwater? Assuming you meant a flaming torch.		2009-08-19 16:07:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

Ah-ha!! I win I normally lose those "who posted first" thingumies.

Oh, you didn't know? Ard's cursed. He can't post without copying someone :arg:


Haha, julesyjules needs to make a Star Wars Gungan level He just has to make sure that you blow up JarJar at the end.		2009-08-19 16:15:00

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hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

Oh, you didn't know? Ard's cursed. He can't post without copying someone :arg:

Have I missed something here? O.o


0iz!		2009-08-19 16:17:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

No, I meant torch. Or flashlight. Silly american words 2009-08-19 16:21:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

Those silly americans!

Then yes, I get what you mean. *steals idea*		2009-08-19 16:23:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

I can see it now... If we got lethal water we would have a slew of levels named WHEN THE WATER ROSE!

I'm going to be gone for a week... I hope it doesn't come out too soon...		2009-08-19 16:32:00

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chezhead
Posts: 1063

Don't worry, I'll be gone for a week too. And I was gone when Yarg came out...so yeah.
But don't worry, I think it'll be a while yet...		2009-08-19 16:34:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

Also i want to remake the Tomb Wader level from Crash Bandicoot 3

That was my idea too.



Anyway, assuming that someone was right several pages back and you can use bubbles to breathe under water (without the scuba gear), I forsee a lot of 'Bubble Survival' levels being made. Bascially, bubbles are emitted from the sea floor and float upwards, you have to swim into them before you run out of air and drown.		2009-08-19 16:34:00

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Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

Bascially, bubbles are emitted from the sea floor and float upwards, you have to swim into them before you run out of air and drown.

omg liek in rayman 2???


How I miss the good old days when Rayman had his own games...		2009-08-19 16:36:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

omg liek in rayman 2???


How I miss the good old days when Rayman had his own games...

What about the rising water level in Rayman 1 where you grow your own platforms 		2009-08-19 16:48:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Haha! *gets more ideas*2009-08-19 16:57:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

I get what MM is doing.

Points are called bubbles in LBP, and in water, they are called bubbles too, so they make LBP bubbles like real life bubbles in the water.

Very clever.		2009-08-19 16:58:00

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Unknown User

it looks like bombs float...2009-08-19 17:13:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

What about the rising water level in Rayman 1 where you grow your own platforms

While you're at it, there's this little trick in the GBA version of Rayman 3 where you'd punch a Plum, then you could ride it across a deadly stream of lava, using your punches to increase momentum.
That idea became hell when you reached later levels with it in.		2009-08-19 17:26:00

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neonrage0
Posts: 284

While you're at it, there's this little trick in the GBA version of Rayman 3 where you'd punch a Plum, then you could ride it across a deadly stream of lava, using your punches to increase momentum.
That idea became hell when you reached later levels with it in.

There's also plum riding in Rayman 1

And i remember riding something across lava in Rayman 2, might of been a plum xD		2009-08-19 17:37:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Yeah, that was a plum in Rayman 2.

We've gone a bit off topic here, no?		2009-08-19 17:39:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

You're forgetting "Level that floods itself", "Depth Charge Survival" and "How to make 3D levels underwater".

Oi! Don't forget "Underwater Hotel Bombing Survival Challenge", "30 Underwater Jumps Challenge", and "Underwater Motocross Race/Underwater Mario Kart".		2009-08-19 17:45:00

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The Cheat
Posts: 25

I bet the layer glitch was caused by the water feature. Notice how they both extend way into the background and into the foreground as well.

Remember that big 80 MB patch that MM said contained the next couple of months DLC? The water kit is probably in it and it opened up the possibility for the layer glitch.		2009-08-19 18:39:00

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keell
Posts: 69

I bet the layer glitch was caused by the water feature. Notice how they both extend way into the background and into the foreground as well.

Remember that big 80 MB patch that MM said contained the next couple of months DLC? The water kit is probably in it and it opened up the possibility for the layer glitch.

bakscratch says he discovered it in April, before the patch. He just recently revealed it- 49DRA I know was shown it before that... I think mistervista could also latest to knowing it before, but yeah. It technically existed before that patch evidently.		2009-08-19 18:41:00

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RockSauron
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Yup, he found right after Yarg came out.2009-08-19 18:42:00

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ARD
Posts: 4291

Is it free?????2009-08-19 19:00:00

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g-1reaper2
Posts: 22

Whetting. Sorry, that one really bugged me. Enough to make me post.

WOW just WOW!!!!!

I even coloured it blue when writing wetting

Humour is wasted on some people 		2009-08-19 19:47:00

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dorien
Posts: 2767

Is it free?????

i hope 		2009-08-19 20:14:00

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Unknown User

WOW just WOW!!!!!

I even coloured it blue when writing wetting

Humour is wasted on some people

Italicizing "whetting" probably would have worked for me.
I reserve the right to find your use of the word "wetting" jarring.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to be bitter and angry at the world over there. 		2009-08-19 20:25:00

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Luminous_Reaver
Posts: 70

i have some minigame ideas for this 2009-08-19 21:19:00

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Unknown User

Is it sick of me to be really curious as to what the drowning animation is going to look like?

Discuss:		2009-08-19 21:58:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

i hope not that it wil be a real drowning animation beqaue kids play this game what about a inplosion?2009-08-19 22:13:00

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Unknown User

i hope not that it wil be a real drowning animation beqaue kids play this game what about a inplosion?



when the timer ends, your sack probably puffs his cheeks and explodes.



that would relate to all the other hazards dieing animations, no?		2009-08-19 22:31:00

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kodymcq
Posts: 281

Is it sick of me to be really curious as to what the drowning animation is going to look like?

Discuss:

I don't think it will be too bad. After all, we already have a suicide animation. 		2009-08-19 22:33:00

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BSprague
Posts: 2325

Yeah we have sackboy being burnt to death, exploding, getting impaled, electrocuted and vaporised. What's wrong with him drowning? xD

Like someone else said i think he'll get puffy cheeks and then explode from holding his breath 		2009-08-19 22:38:00

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Dexiro
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Well I was wondering because drowning doesn't naturally dispose of a corpse, and they've managed to get rid of that on all the others in a logical fashion. I can't really think of one that would work for suffocation/ drowning but be acceptable.2009-08-19 22:39:00

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rtm223
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when the timer ends, your sack probably puffs his cheeks and explodes.



that would relate to all the other hazards dieing animations, no?

good idea
10 words!!!!		2009-08-19 22:41:00

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Unknown User

Well I was wondering because drowning doesn't naturally dispose of a corpse, and they've managed to get rid of that on all the others in a logical fashion. I can't really think of one that would work for suffocation/ drowning but be acceptable.


I think he'll get puffy cheeks and then explode from holding his breath

I think what i said is most likely what it'll be

It doesn't sound very nice but if you apply it to a sackboy then it becomes cute 		2009-08-19 22:41:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Well I was wondering because drowning doesn't naturally dispose of a corpse, and they've managed to get rid of that on all the others in a logical fashion. I can't really think of one that would work for suffocation/ drowning but be acceptable.

Well one thing is for sure, MediaMolecule have killed millions of sackpeople in the past, and it was cute every single time. I'm sure watching sackboy/sackgirl drown will be the cutest water-induced death you've ever witnessed. 		2009-08-19 22:42:00

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BSprague
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I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing.... :kz:2009-08-19 22:46:00

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hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

At least there is one thing we've figured out by now.

Sacks need AIR!		2009-08-19 22:47:00

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legory
Posts: 39

Well one thing is for sure, MediaMolecule have killed millions of sackpeople in the past, and it was cute every single time. I'm sure watching sackboy/sackgirl drown will be the cutest water-induced death you've ever witnessed.

your crazy :eek:

16+ Only
what about when the timer stops and there comes a shark and killz! the sackboy and every is blood and the organ sof the sackboy pure GORE
(i am joking)		2009-08-19 22:50:00

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Unknown User

your crazy :eek:

16+ Only
what about when the timer stops and there comes a shark and killz! the sackboy and every is blood and the organ sof the sackboy pure GORE
(i am joking)

That reminded me of Ratchet and Clank and Jak and Daxter

Where if you'd swim too far out a shark would start chasing you and eat you if you didn't swim out fast enough!
(i actually found getting chased quite scary xD)		2009-08-19 22:52:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

popping and drowning don't mix to me, but I think it's a likely answer.

@dex: I found that scary until I realised it was inevitable, then it was just meh...		2009-08-19 23:04:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

The sackboy could also simply "sink" offscreen in a similar fashion to the "death by sharp object" animation.2009-08-19 23:07:00

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Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

It'd be cuter in the actual game

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5465/drownyburst.jpg		2009-08-19 23:31:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

So I'm guessing that this has been posted, and that the water is a slider bar that moves the water level up in the level?

Just today I was thinking of jelly material that you can swim through or bounce on. :arg:		2009-08-19 23:50:00

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Snappyguy
Posts: 710

It'd be cuter in the actual game

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5465/drownyburst.jpg

Eh nice!!
You draw it?		2009-08-20 00:13:00

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dajdaj03
Posts: 1486

How about if sackboy kinda unraveled and dissolved, or as already mentioned a fall off screen animation which follows a little desperate yet unfortunately failing gasp for air?

How many of us will deliberately drown sackboy the first time around purely to watch this!?		2009-08-20 00:42:00

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croissantbuncake
Posts: 572

How many of us will deliberately drown sackboy the first time around purely to watch this!?

I'm gonna guess around 95% - I know I will 		2009-08-20 00:44:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

I'm gonna guess around 95% - I know I will

I'm going to as well. Now I feel bad.		2009-08-20 00:57:00

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alexbull_uk
Posts: 1287

I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing.... :kz:

I agree, people are going to spam levels like "SWIM FAST SURV CHALLNGE" and stuff...		2009-08-20 01:32:00

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tjb0607
Posts: 1054

I'm gonna guess around 95% - I know I will

And the other 5% just don't want to admit it. 		2009-08-20 01:54:00

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BSprague
Posts: 2325

I agree, people are going to spam levels like "SWIM FAST SURV CHALLNGE" and stuff...

Haha I actually meant that in response to


Well one thing is for sure, MediaMolecule have killed millions of sackpeople in the past, and it was cute every single time. I'm sure watching sackboy/sackgirl drown will be the cutest water-induced death you've ever witnessed.



I think water will definitely be a great thing!
Of course, we'll get those spammy levels, but we got those already anyways 		2009-08-20 02:48:00

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hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

Heck YES. My guess is that when he dies, he'll flail his arms around and pop.2009-08-20 05:38:00

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Sackdragon
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I'm just wondering if there will be a way to make impact explosives float by themselves. that'll make for some nice, easy old looking mines. I do love explosives..... oh, and just to seem nerdy "< want > What ever they call this lvl kit! < /want >"2009-08-20 06:10:00

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Memodrix
Posts: 879

I only have two words for when the water pack comes out. Azure Palace. ^^2009-08-20 06:21:00

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gevurah22
Posts: 1476

I only have three words for when the water pack comes out. Azure Palace 2. ^^

Fixed.

.		2009-08-20 06:25:00

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hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

Ah same difference. =P

And no, I won't be updating the first one.		2009-08-20 06:30:00

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gevurah22
Posts: 1476

it seems as the though the water fills up the lvl... but can you isolate it to make ponds or maybe a pool instead of having every thing under a certain point water?2009-08-20 07:06:00

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QuellMicquel
Posts: 68

This looks interesting, cant wait2009-08-20 07:11:00

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applepod124
Posts: 163

I think that the animation will be the sack holding his throat (not strangling =P) and then blow up as usual.

Also I hope that the water can have different colours (yellow ) and I wonder, that if you put a box in the water it will float around or the pink stuff will goto the top.		2009-08-20 07:18:00

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Snappyguy
Posts: 710

OMG!? This is sooooo creepy!

I was just going to post a topic asking people if it was possible to make water into a Patch instead of putting it into LBP2!

How creepy is that!? Well it looks like ESP DOES EXSIST!

Is the Beach Background also going to be present in this add-on as well!?

It would also be great if they could add dust or sand into LBP as well.

I wonder if you can change the densety of the water as well? Like make it so dense that it's like your walking on jelly or make it ooze so it's like lava or somthing. I AM SO GETTING THIS		2009-08-20 07:23:00

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snowyjoe
Posts: 509

Yeah I was thinking of jelly like stuff too. I think lbp really needs a bouncy material instead of a piston. I wonder if there will be splashes. I wanna make a jet ski one. Not a jet ski, I mean the ski behind a boat. And have water splash around2009-08-20 07:33:00

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Snappyguy
Posts: 710

You mean Water Ski? lol2009-08-20 07:34:00

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snowyjoe
Posts: 509

Yeah I was thinking of jelly like stuff too. I think lbp really needs a bouncy material instead of a piston. I wonder if there will be splashes. I wanna make a jet ski one. Not a jet ski, I mean the ski behind a boat. And have water splash around

fun idea

i whant to make torpedos now 		2009-08-20 10:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

I'm just wondering if there will be a way to make impact explosives float by themselves. that'll make for some nice, easy old looking mines. I do love explosives..... oh, and just to seem nerdy "< want > What ever they call this lvl kit! < /want >"

they look likek they float on the vid and only explode because they get hit by a load of junk		2009-08-20 11:34:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

i think these explosives wil explode on the water when they fall from somthing high but when you let it fal low it wil not explode in the water it wil flode are sink2009-08-20 11:52:00

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Unknown User

i think these explosives wil explode on the water when they fall from somthing high but when you let it fal low it wil not explode in the water it wil flode are sink

what i mean is the bombs don't explode as they touch the water... they dont carry on falling, so they float and get hit by junk in the space of 3 seconds		2009-08-20 11:53:00

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Kern
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aha oke 2009-08-20 11:55:00

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Unknown User

it seems as the though the water fills up the lvl... but can you isolate it to make ponds or maybe a pool instead of having every thing under a certain point water?

My guess would be if you need to make a pond, make it below the ground level of your play area and then have the play area dip down into the pond.		2009-08-20 11:57:00

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BSprague
Posts: 2325

I wonder if you can change the densety of the water as well? Like make it so dense that it's like your walking on jelly or make it ooze so it's like lava or somthing.

Cool idea but I don't think it's possible, at least for this water as it fills up all the level, and it programmed to react in certain way. It would be too difficult to programm a density change...
If "jelly" can be made, it must be a separate material I think


My guess would be if you need to make a pond, make it below the ground level of your play area and then have the play area dip down into the pond.

Yes you're right
I made this drawing for another thread
http://img.gkblogger.com/blog/imgdb/000/000/401/919_3.jpg		2009-08-20 12:13:00

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dajdaj03
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http://img.gkblogger.com/blog/imgdb/000/000/401/919_3.jpg

nice made 		2009-08-20 12:20:00

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Unknown User

The important question that remains is... how are creatures going to behave when in water? Are they going to float about helplessly? Will they ignore water entirely? Are we going to get a new option or creature leg to make them interact with water in a meaningful way?2009-08-20 14:58:00

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Gilgamesh
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Fish creatures...you can make them out of some hazard material, you add a propulsor, a winch and a shaft to make them move forward and bacward.2009-08-20 16:22:00

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OmegaSlayer
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ive already got a begining for an underwater level 2009-08-20 16:24:00

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Kern
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Well we can make our own, but a toggle for land / water / amphibious creatures would be awesome. But then they haven't given us flying creatures yet so 2009-08-20 16:25:00

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rtm223
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Yep.
There WILL be Jaws levels.
<sigh>
The first one will be great, but then it will just be old and tired.
2009-08-20 16:29:00

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BlackHairedGoon
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the things we need to think about now is how long will the bad water levels last for and how well will the Good Water levels show up... and how easy will it be to use?2009-08-20 16:41:00

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Kern
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Yep.
There WILL be Jaws levels.
<sigh>
The first one will be great, but then it will just be old and tired.


There are already a few Jaws/shark levels. I find them interesting mostly because we don't currently have water. I don't think any shark level with *actual* water will be as interesting as those because there'll be much less effort involved in making the water environment.

It'll be a tough job to make a water environment that *doesn't* just look like the standard water tool we'll be given. I think some new visual tricks will evolve out of the need to be different from the rest of the water levels.		2009-08-20 16:43:00

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Gilgamesh
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I personally can't wait for a remake of "Distress In The Ocean" or whatever the name was.2009-08-20 16:45:00

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BSprague
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just a stab in the dark because im away from my ps4... i mean PS3 *coughs* is there a dark blue or green fog? because that would go nicely... i think now just about every new bad level is going to have water in it at some point2009-08-20 16:46:00

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Kern
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New question:

layer shifting underwater. How?

We got three layers of water, gonna be a bit sucky if we are limited to swimming in only one of them (ignoring grabables)		2009-08-20 16:51:00

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rtm223
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Like someone else suggested, it will probably be just one layer similar to when you're on a jetpack. But ya never know... I don't see how they could make more than one layer accessible while swimming though.2009-08-20 16:53:00

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hilightnotes
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Like someone else suggested, it will probably be just one layer similar to when you're on a jetpack. But ya never know... I don't see how they could make more than one layer accessible while swimming though.

A)Make the right stick switch layers.
B)Disable emotions in the water, and make that switch layers.		2009-08-20 16:54:00

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Adam9001
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Yeah that's what I thought. it does kinda suck though. Does add the opportunities for grabbables to open up the back layers that can't really be done with the jetpack (due to voluntary cancelling) though.

Edit - both pretty good solutions there Adam 		2009-08-20 16:55:00

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rtm223
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maybe the arms thing will be disabled so the back triggers could control it... seen as sackboy would be constantly swimming2009-08-20 16:59:00

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Kern
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I'm 90% sure that swimming will work exactly like a jetpack

They've made it clear in the past that changing existing controls would be a bad move (notably in their newest podcast), it just ends up confusing a lot of players and they like to keep everything as simple as they can.

I don't think theres any problem with being stuck on the front layer, i've never had any complaints about it when using a jetpack.
You can still make him grab stuff on other layers if you really need to move between them 		2009-08-20 17:14:00

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Dexiro
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but theres always that 10 %2009-08-20 17:17:00

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Kern
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Yes you're right
I made this drawing for another thread
http://img.gkblogger.com/blog/imgdb/000/000/401/919_3.jpg

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking for this solution. Then all you'd need to do is hide the main water line with a front thin layer, provided the water doesn't take up any space in that layer.		2009-08-20 17:46:00

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Rustbukkit
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Does anyone else think we'll still be seeing a lot of fake water after this update?

Small amounts of water won't work a lot of the time in levels using this because you can always see it on the horizon or in the foreground, in a lot of cases it'd just be easier to revert back to using glass and jetpacks or something similar

Also does anyone thing we might be getting water themed decorations like waterfalls? 		2009-08-20 17:55:00

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Dexiro
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Also does anyone thing we might be getting water themed decorations like waterfalls?

This is something we can only hope and dream of getting. It doesn't look like we'll be getting the functionality of falling water. As others have said, it looks like we're simply given the option to fill our level to a certain height. But a decoration of some kind that would emit water could be a good solution. Not sure exactly how they would do it but that would be awesome. I mean having water is amazing enough, but imagine waterfalls.

I've been thinking about the things we'll see once this update goes live and the first thing I thought of was how many 'faked' waterfalls we'll see emptying into 'real' water. It might work but for the most part, based on the realistic behavior and look of the water, it will look pretty strange.

We always want more don't we. Oh well I guess it's human nature
Here's hoping.		2009-08-20 18:03:00

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cstrfrk
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Hmm i wonder what it'd look like if you make the water rise and fall as quickly as possible

Aside from a lot of lag it'd probaby make everything look as though it's falling in slow motion!		2009-08-20 18:08:00

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Dexiro
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Does anyone have any idea when the "Water Kit" will be released?2009-08-20 18:30:00

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Lord_Vile71
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Then all you'd need to do is hide the main water line with a front thin layer, provided the water doesn't take up any space in that layer.

It could be but I don't think it's possible, cause the water extends out of the main gameplay layers (big and thin),
so we can't hide it with the 1st front thin layer...
or we must use the extra layers glitch to make so...
That's why water must be outside the screen (lower) on parts when it's not supposed to appear...		2009-08-20 18:44:00

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dajdaj03
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Does anyone have any idea when the "Water Kit" will be released?

i think next week or the week after that 		2009-08-20 18:51:00

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Unknown User

i think next week or the week after that

I hope that. God, that would officially make Mm my favourite devs. EVER.		2009-08-20 19:07:00

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alexbull_uk
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I hope that. God, that would officially make Mm my favourite devs. EVER.

i think they wil beqause if you publishe the video and it cam out a mound later or 2 that wil be realy not cool are pro		2009-08-20 19:11:00

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Unknown User

This release of information has gotten me back to playing LittleBigPlanet that bit more.2009-08-20 19:33:00

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neonrage0
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Awesome. It did indeed feel like something was missing.

<3 Media Molecule		2009-08-20 19:55:00

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MidnightSunglasses
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I WHANT IT NOW!!!! 2009-08-20 20:02:00

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Unknown User

I WHANT IT NOW!!!!

Yes!
"The Wild Side of the Wilderness" Demands it!		2009-08-20 20:10:00

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neonrage0
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With regards to the water filling up all layers, there is a simple workaround which no one has thought of or mentioned yet. We should be able to create water in any layer we want simply by filling in any unwanted layers with whatever material we use for our ground or floors. We could easily make pools or lakes... we just need to fill in the bottom with our ground material and then hide those layers with our front thin layer (provided the water doesn't fill this front layer... *crosses fingers*). At least... this should work in theory, and I can't think of a reason it won't.2009-08-20 20:23:00

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Rustbukkit
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Have you watched the trailer?2009-08-20 20:30:00

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ARD
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Playing with Editors that have Water Layers working in the same way, such as Far Cry 2, sort of prepares you for this, so I'm not too fussed myself.2009-08-20 20:40:00

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neonrage0
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I sure hope it wont fill the whole level, then 99.9% of people wont even touch it for 3 months, touch it, see it fail, another 5 months, next major thing.2009-08-20 20:47:00

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Adam9001
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yea i hope that these h4h guys wont fil they levels with water and stil say H4H2009-08-20 20:49:00

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Unknown User

yea i hope that these h4h guys wont fil they levels with water and stil say H4H

Of course they will, what is to stop them from H4H'ing with a new gimmick to their levels?		2009-08-20 20:50:00

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BSprague
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Actually, didn't simcity 4's (and possibly earlier ones) water work like this?

It looks to me that it will stretch into the foreground and therfore past the front thin layer (the base of the scoreboard at the end is completely submerged).

I just hope it doesn't impact thermo (I don't think it would because I imagine it to be controlled in a similar manner to global lighting, that is throught the tools menu and with a seperate, trigger-able object of it's own).		2009-08-20 20:52:00

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croissantbuncake
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Once again, according to the video trailer,
water fills globally all the level space, from left to right and from foreground to background (far beyond the regular gameplay layers), just like "air" fills all the level... (or like the 50 extra layers glitch for a visual example)

We certainly can not decide in wich layers it appears...
The only thing that we can change is the horizontal level of the water, up and down

And this is according to the video,.. let's wait for some more information		2009-08-20 21:09:00

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dajdaj03
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Once again, according to the video trailer,
water fills globally all the level space, from left to right and from foreground to background (far beyond the regular gameplay layers), just like "air" fills all the level... (or like the 50 extra layers glitch for a visual example)

We certainly can not decide in wich layers it appears...
The only thing that we can change is the horizontal level of the water, up and down

And this is according to the video,.. let's wait for some more information

yea
(ten words)		2009-08-20 22:34:00

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Unknown User

DISCOVERY ALERT. DISCOVERY ALERT. It is not a buoyancy tool on the boat, it's.....www.sackcast.com2009-08-20 23:09:00

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hilightnotes
Posts: 1230

Wow, that guy was watching closely.
A water trigger will go great with the levels that are sure to need it.		2009-08-20 23:14:00

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Jedi_1993
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I'm gonna make a start and finish just so I can make a race to test out the water and put jelly fish in.

I hope there's some cool music or a background. But water by itself is great and worth the while.

I would gladly pay but I want to see everyone have water so they can make me some glitches .		2009-08-20 23:14:00

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Snappyguy
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Cool discovery! Thanks for letting the rest of us know. 2009-08-20 23:17:00

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Morgana25
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DISCOVERY ALERT. DISCOVERY ALERT. It is not a buoyancy tool on the boat, it's.....www.sackcast.com

wow i though that was the thing that kepped the boat at speed
but it is a switch 		2009-08-21 00:50:00

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Unknown User

Have you watched the trailer?

Oh man... my bad. Hadn't watched the trailer since it first came out and was basing this on an earlier conversation. Tylenol 3's are fun.... weeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! :hero:

Pay no attention to the medicated lump in the corner of the room.		2009-08-21 07:14:00

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Rustbukkit
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I hope there's a degree of resistence to the water (it could be tweakable ), that would allow paddle steamers and flipper driven objects!!
My Steam-Paint series may turn out to feature a paddle steamer dreadnought!		2009-08-21 11:14:00

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croissantbuncake
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i hope the beta wil start soon 2009-08-21 14:34:00

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Unknown User

Me too I wanna apply for it2009-08-21 14:56:00

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Kern
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Me too I wanna apply for it It's already out. beta.mediamolecule.com2009-08-21 15:24:00

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BSprague
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Awe that's rubbish you have to be 18 ageist.... *mutters* 2009-08-21 16:24:00

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Kern
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Awe that's rubbish you have to be 18 ageist.... *mutters*

fake your age man
my little brother did that 		2009-08-21 17:05:00

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Unknown User

It's already out. www.beta.mediamolecule.com

Drop the "www". Or, just follow this link: Waterbeta (http://beta.mediamolecule.com)		2009-08-21 17:17:00

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comphermc
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I'm not going to fake my age it's dishonest h2009-08-21 17:23:00

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Kern
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Oh cool find on the switch. For everyone who hasn't clicked the link:

the "switch" on the back of the boat that some have thought is a buoyancy tool seems to be more of a "water sensor". Just like the proxy sensor, it has a light that lights up - but only when the object it's attached to comes into contact with water.

One idea off the top of my head for this:

a small compact item you carry around that hits the water and then instantly self-inflates into a raft. Once out of the water, it turns back into a handy-dandy carryable cube.		2009-08-21 21:41:00

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Teebonesy
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Drop the "www". Or, just follow this link: Waterbeta (http://beta.mediamolecule.com)

Silly me. I posted it from my phone so I didn't even realize it. 		2009-08-21 22:03:00

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BSprague
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so with water making it will we be able to make it rain with actual water instead of making the illusion with a dark settings alnd lightning sound effects?2009-08-22 02:54:00

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QuellMicquel
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so with water making it will we be able to make it rain with actual water instead of making the illusion with a dark settings alnd lightning sound effects?

Don't count on it. This water is a flat horizon straight through your whole level. There probably won't be particle effects. So, no emitting water, no water "material" or anything of that nature. There will simply be a "water line" in your level which you will be able to raise or lower wherever you like.

Before you go complaining though, believe me that there's more than a good reason for this. The physics of simulating water in LBP's create mode would create a world of hurt. I'd bet your PS3 would crash more times than not trying to handle what you would do with that poor innocent water.		2009-08-22 10:12:00

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Teebonesy
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Does anyone know when the beta starts? I've applied 2009-08-22 10:38:00

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rooky
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Does anyone know when the beta starts? I've applied

Nobody solidly knows, but most speculate it will begin on a Thursday with applicants being chosen on a Monday, either this upcoming Monday or the following Monday.		2009-08-22 11:15:00

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BSprague
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i have a strange feeling that it releases friday2009-08-22 11:19:00

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Unknown User

i have a strange feeling that it releases friday

The Playstation Store updates on Thursdays though, which makes it much more probable that it would release then. 		2009-08-22 11:27:00

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BSprague
Posts: 2325

So how does the software for these betas work? Is it normally an exclusive program with it' own resources, or does it modify your current copy of LBP?2009-08-22 16:28:00

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swanbrown
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