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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Hanging_Gardens_of_Babylon.jpg The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, one of the Seven wonders of the Ancient world, every heard of it? Well, I was in my AP Euro class daydreaming (as usual), and the teacher was talking about the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. So I thought, "how cool would it be to have this in LBP?" And then my mind did it's thing. So what do you guys think?

2008-08-22 03:57:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Yeah I heard about it in 7th grade (I'm going into 10th now). It was a gift from A.. (something) to his lover, was it not? (I will edit this & see if I was correct. ) EDIT: Yep! I got the basic story down, except the lover's name starts with an A instead. 'The Hanging Gardens of Babylon (also known as the Hanging Gardens of Semiramis) (near present-day Al Hillah in Iraq, formerly Babylon) are considered one of the original Seven Wonders of the World. They were built by Nebuchadnezzar II around 600 BC. He is reported to have constructed the gardens to please his wife, Amytis of Media, who longed for the trees and fragrant plants of her homeland.[1] The gardens were destroyed by several earthquakes after the 2nd century BC.' I don't know a lot about it, but it would be awesome in-game. Time to research it so I can avoid looking like I don't know what I'm talking about! EDIT: Haha, maybe it could be like the Knight trailer where instead of saving his lover, the Sackperson could build the Hanging Gardens for her. Aww. <3 :o At the end, of course, it would get hit by earthquakes and end up falling on and killing the Sackgirl (like in the Sackzilla trailer). Wow, I'm evil. :kz:

2008-08-22 03:59:00 Author: Unknown User

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Yeah I heard about it in 7th grade (I'm going into 10th now). It was a gift from A.. (something) to his lover, was it not? (I will edit this & see if I was correct. ) EDIT: Yep! I got the basic story down, except the lover's name starts with an A instead. 'The Hanging Gardens of Babylon (also known as the Hanging Gardens of Semiramis) (near present-day Al Hillah in Iraq, formerly Babylon) are considered one of the original Seven Wonders of the World. They were built by Nebuchadnezzar II around 600 BC. He is reported to have constructed the gardens to please his wife, Amytis of Media, who longed for the trees and fragrant plants of her homeland.[1] The gardens were destroyed by several earthquakes after the 2nd century BC.' I don't know a lot about it, but it would be awesome in-game. Time to research it so I can avoid looking like I don't know what I'm talking about! EDIT: Haha, maybe it could be like the Knight trailer where instead of saving his lover, the Sackperson could build the Hanging Gardens for her. Aww. <3 :o At the end, of course, it would get hit by earthquakes and end up falling on and killing the Sackgirl (like in the Sackzilla trailer). Wow, I'm evil. :kz: You're not evil, you're Media Molecule. Jk, but back on topic... No one really really knows much about the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, other then that they were awesome when they existed and that some guy build it for his wife. I just want to recreate them in LBP, just to see what it might feel like to walk in the actual gardens.

2008-08-22 04:07:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Very cool...bro...you could after your done continue doing a level based on each of the & wonders of the ancient world...

2008-08-22 04:08:00 Author: Noonian Posts: 523

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lol y stop at the gardens... go all the way and do all 8 wonders... (im the 8th)

2008-08-22 04:11:00 Author: 12454522412412 Posts: 779

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Very cool...bro...you could after your done continue doing a level based on each of the & wonders of the ancient world... I was actually thinking about doing that before I saw your post but still, I think I may do that. Of course, I don't know what all of the wonders are, so that could become a problem... >_> You guys can help me with this if you like, I think I'll call it, 'Project LittlebigWonders'

2008-08-22 04:13:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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LittleBigWonder! I like it! The 7 Wonders of the Ancient World are: 1. Great Pyramid of Giza 2. Hanging Gardens of Babylon 3. Statue of Zeus at Olympia 4. Temple of Artemis at Ephesus 5. Mausoleum of Maussollos at Halicarnassus 6. Colossus of Rhodes 7. Lighthouse of Alexandria There are also a lot of other wonders, but it would be good to stick to the Ancient Wonders. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonders_of_the_world

2008-08-22 04:18:00 Author: Unknown User

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LittleBigWonder! I like it! The 7 Wonders of the Ancient World are: 1. Great Pyramid of Giza 2. Hanging Gardens of Babylon 3. Statue of Zeus at Olympia 4. Temple of Artemis at Ephesus 5. Mausoleum of Maussollos at Halicarnassus 6. Colossus of Rhodes 7. Lighthouse of Alexandria There are also a lot of other wonders, but it would be good to stick to the Ancient Wonders. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonders_of_the_world Thanks for the link Marino! I think that we'll do the Natural Wonders after we're done with the Ancients wonders, but I'm skipping ahead of myself, am I not? For building them, I think we should go in this order: 1. Hanging Gardens of Babylon 2. Great Pyramid of Giza 3. Statue of Zeus at Olympia 4. Lighthouse of Alexandria 5. Temple of Artemis at Ephesus 6. Colossus of Rhodes 7. Mausoleum of Maussollos at Halicarnassus I'm basically doing these in the order that I care about them...

2008-08-22 04:25:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World The Great Pyramid of Giza The Hanging Gardens of Babylon The Temple of Artemis at Ephesus The Statue of Zeus at Olympia The Mausoleum at Halicarnassus The Colossus of Rhodes The Pharos of Alexandria The Seven Wonders of the Medieval Mind Stonehenge The Colosseum The Catacombs of Kom el Shoqafa The Great Wall of China The Porcelain Tower of Nanjing The Hagia Sophia The Leaning Tower of Pisa The Seven Natural Wonders of the World Mount Everest The Great Barrier Reef The Grand Canyon Victoria Falls The Harbor of Rio de Janeiro Paricutin Volcano The Northern Lights The Seven Underwater Wonders of the World Palau The Belize Barrier Reef The Galapagos Islands The Northern Red Sea Lake Baikal The Great Barrier Reef The Deep Sea Vents The Seven Wonders of the Modern World The Empire State Building The Itaip? Dam The CN Tower The Panama Canal The Channel Tunnel The North Sea Protection Works The Golden Gate Bridge The Seven Forgotten Natural Wonders of the World Angel Falls The Bay of Fundy Igua?? Falls Krakatoa Island Mount Fuji Mount Kilimanjaro Niagara Falls The Seven Forgotten Modern Wonders of the World The Clock Tower (Big Ben) Eiffel Tower The Gateway Arch The Aswan High Dam Hoover Dam Mount Rushmore National Memorial The Petronas Towers The Seven Forgotten Wonders of the Medeival Mind Abu Simbel Temple Angkor Wat Taj Mahal Mont Saint-Michel The Moai Statues The Parthenon The Shwedagon Pagoda The Forgotten Wonders The Aztec Temple The Banaue Rice Terraces The Borobudur Temple The Inca City The Statue of Liberty The Mayan Temples The Temple of the Inscriptions The Throne Hall of Persepolis Petra The Suez Canal The Sydney Opera House The Red Fort in India Never ending inspiration for levels...:eek:

2008-08-22 04:28:00 Author: Noonian Posts: 523

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*extremely long list* Never ending inspiration for levels...:eek: Is it even possible to make that many levels? O.o

2008-08-22 04:30:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Haha, #5 for 'USA Today's New Seven Wonders' is... Wait for it... THE INTERNET! EDIT: This is rather offtopic, but I can kind of see why.. the internet is kind of.. beautiful: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Internet_map_1024.jpg :hero:

2008-08-22 04:31:00 Author: Unknown User

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Haha, #5 for 'USA Today's New Seven Wonders' is... Wait for it... THE INTERNET! The Internet worships itself, lol.

2008-08-22 04:34:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Would be ineteresting to see this happening...

2008-08-22 05:15:00 Author: aer0blue Posts: 1603

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how about you are an archaeologist and you find the hanging gardens buried in a deep cavern underground. You explore the gardens jumping around the ledges and doing platform stuff. Then you would find the extremely rare White Desert Rose and you got to take it but before you get to it you are attacked by a race of underground humans who have lived underground in the hanging gardens. You grab the Rose and run to the end of the level while the underground humans chase you. I will make this now so no stealing!

2008-08-22 08:44:00 Author: muttjones Posts: 843

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The Seven Wonders of the Modern World The Empire State Building The Itaip? Dam The CN Tower The Panama Canal The Channel Tunnel The North Sea Protection Works The Golden Gate Bridge Someone please explain why the Empire State Building is in there but, the Sears Tower in Chicago, IL isn't? That doesn't make sense to me but, I'm not overly familiar with the ESB.

2008-08-22 15:31:00 Author: 1000101 Posts: 192

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how about you are an archaeologist and you find the hanging gardens buried in a deep cavern underground. You explore the gardens jumping around the ledges and doing platform stuff. Then you would find the extremely rare White Desert Rose and you got to take it but before you get to it you are attacked by a race of underground humans who have lived underground in the hanging gardens. You grab the Rose and run to the end of the level while the underground humans chase you. I will make this now so no stealing! D: That's a pretty good idea actually, I was thinking more of a display type of level, but this works too... but I'll go with my display idea, because that other thing is your idea. Someone please explain why the Empire State Building is in there but, the Sears Tower in Chicago, IL isn't? That doesn't make sense to me but, I'm not overly familiar with the ESB. *shrugs*

2008-08-22 21:01:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Wow actually I really like the idea of the Hanging Gardens... it sounds really cool... and well I suppose history is my best subject in school because I find it the most interesting... (not that school is even close to interesting by any stretch of the imagination... but I think it's my favorite class there) anyway it sounds pretty cool... let me know if I can help in any way.

2008-08-24 05:39:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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Wow actually I really like the idea of the Hanging Gardens... it sounds really cool... and well I suppose history is my best subject in school because I find it the most interesting... (not that school is even close to interesting by any stretch of the imagination... but I think it's my favorite class there) anyway it sounds pretty cool... let me know if I can help in any way. History is my favorite subject too! I plan to become a history teacher... but enough, that's a little off topic. I'm still debating whether or not to put in enemies, and I'm still undecided. So why don't we have a vote? Would you have me include enemies? -Yes -No

2008-08-24 05:49:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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History is my favorite subject too! I plan to become a history teacher... but enough, that's a little off topic. I'm still debating whether or not to put in enemies, and I'm still undecided. So why don't we have a vote? Would you have me include enemies? -Yes -No haha yeah enough of our rants about history being our favorite class! XD Anyway... hmmm interesting idea, I suppose we (meaning you, unless you want me to help out! =P) could put in some enemies just to keep it interesting... like idk ancient Babylon warriors! haha well just a thought...

2008-08-24 05:53:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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Someone please explain why the Empire State Building is in there but, the Sears Tower in Chicago, IL isn't? That doesn't make sense to me but, I'm not overly familiar with the ESB. well the empire state building is an actual sky-scraper... the sears tower is actually just a tall building... im from chicago... i would know

2008-08-24 05:56:00 Author: 12454522412412 Posts: 779

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haha yeah enough of our rants about history being our favorite class! XD Anyway... hmmm interesting idea, I suppose we (meaning you, unless you want me to help out! =P) could put in some enemies just to keep it interesting... like idk ancient Babylon warriors! haha well just a thought... Ancient Babylonian warriors? What on earth did they look like... I will use my google-fuu to find out! Okay, I found this picture: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2482184861_ec71a87c46.jpg?v=0 I'll use that as my model when creating them.

2008-08-24 06:00:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Oh I see this getting real awesome real fast. Funducational!

2008-08-24 06:02:00 Author: Dropbear Posts: 272

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Ancient Babylonian warriors? What on earth did they look like... I will use my google-fuu to find out! Okay, I found this picture: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2482184861_ec71a87c46.jpg?v=0 I'll use that as my model when creating them. hmm well yeah I suppose that's as close as you're going to get. basically the armor was really short (really shiny XD) armor. have you ever seen like one of those movies... idk there's one called Troy and stuff but yeah they all have like armor that is really short (design flaw apparently!) and I think Babylon's armor was like mainly gold and blue... don't hold me to that though. yeah and a lot of them used spears so yeah...

2008-08-24 06:04:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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Oh I see this getting real awesome real fast. Funducational! hmm well yeah I suppose that's as close as you're going to get. basically the armor was really short (really shiny XD) armor. have you ever seen like one of those movies... idk there's one called Troy and stuff but yeah they all have like armor that is really short (design flaw apparently!) and I think Babylon's armor was like mainly gold and blue... don't hold me to that though. yeah and a lot of them used spears so yeah... Yeah, that'll be the basic design. Of course, there will be a boss on the top floor of the gardens. I have two ideas of what the boss will be, still deciding though, give me a minute... King Nebuchadnezzar II will be the boss, I'll keep the details of what he will do to myself, but feel free to speculate.

2008-08-24 06:32:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Yeah, that'll be the basic design. Of course, there will be a boss on the top floor of the gardens. I have two ideas of what the boss will be, still deciding though, give me a minute... King Nebuchadnezzar II will be the boss, I'll keep the details of what he will do to myself, but feel free to speculate. hmm I like the name... and naturally yes keep the details to yourself for now... it is your idea!.. though I'm not sure... he could do a multitude of things send in warriors on horseback with spears? maybe flaming? or different elements like lightning... ooo that just gave me an idea... anyway or he could have things fall down around you... I don't know could be a multitude of things... Should be fun!

2008-08-24 06:57:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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hmm I like the name... and naturally yes keep the details to yourself for now... it is your idea!.. though I'm not sure... he could do a multitude of things send in warriors on horseback with spears? maybe flaming? or different elements like lightning... ooo that just gave me an idea... anyway or he could have things fall down around you... I don't know could be a multitude of things... Should be fun! Indeed it will be... I'm actually have this level planned out already, I just have to draw it up(which will take me awhle) and then build it. The Pyramid at Giza will be next, so what will we do with that? I'm thinking an Indiana Jones/the Mummy sort of thing.

2008-08-24 07:03:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Indeed it will be... I'm actually have this level planned out already, I just have to draw it up(which will take me awhle) and then build it. The Pyramid at Giza will be next, so what will we do with that? I'm thinking an Indiana Jones/the Mummy sort of thing. hmm can't wait! let me know when you have drawn it up! ooo well the Pyramid at Giza has many possibilities also! Though I think I do like your whole Indiana Jones/ The Mummy idea... could have like mummy minions throughout XD... and I just had a thought for the boss... maybe like make the Pharoah Khufu (as it was suppposedly built for him) if you want, you could also have like Cleopatra (not that she really had anything to do with the Great Pyramid... but when most people think of egypt they think of Cleopatra and pharoahs... maybe gold... and a whole lot of sandy desert... =P

2008-08-24 07:12:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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hmm can't wait! let me know when you have drawn it up! ooo well the Pyramid at Giza has many possibilities also! Though I think I do like your whole Indiana Jones/ The Mummy idea... could have like mummy minions throughout XD... and I just had a thought for the boss... maybe like make the Pharoah Khufu (as it was suppposedly built for him) if you want, you could also have like Cleopatra (not that she really had anything to do with the Great Pyramid... but when most people think of egypt they think of Cleopatra and pharoahs... maybe gold... and a whole lot of sandy desert... =P I'll upload it here as soon as I get done with it. I have pretty clear idea now of what I'm going to do now. Now there's an archaelogist looking sackboy standing outside the pyramid that asks you to retrieve the treasure thing(haven't decided what this is yet ), and you of course, readily agree. So they go on they're little adventure and encounter booby traps, spike pits, mummys, deadly scorpions, molten lava, etc... and when they finally get the treasure thing, you'll fall down into a hole, and then you'll see some spooky text and then you'll have a boss fight. Then after you beat the boss you'll get to the other side of the pyramid where the finish line and a very happy archaelogist are awaiting you.

2008-08-24 07:23:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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I'll upload it here as soon as I get done with it. I have pretty clear idea now of what I'm going to do now. Now there's an archaelogist looking sackboy standing outside the pyramid that asks you to retrieve the treasure thing(haven't decided what this is yet ), and you of course, readily agree. So they go on they're little adventure and encounter booby traps, spike pits, mummys, deadly scorpions, molten lava, etc... and when they finally get the treasure thing, you'll fall down into a hole, and then you'll see some spooky text and then you'll have a boss fight. Then after you beat the boss you'll get to the other side of the pyramid where the finish line and a very happy archaelogist are awaiting you. I like it, it sounds perfect... as for this treasure it could be many things... a traditional pile of riches (gold, jewels, etc...) it could be limitless power.. who knows... and yeah for the boss I like my idea of like a pharoah... but it's up to you. Oh, the obstacles, I really like the ideas you've come up with! I also think there should be those classic snake pits too though! XD

2008-08-24 07:27:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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I like it, it sounds perfect... as for this treasure it could be many things... a traditional pile of riches (gold, jewels, etc...) it could be limitless power.. who knows... and yeah for the boss I like my idea of like a pharoah... but it's up to you. Oh, the obstacles, I really like the ideas you've come up with! I also think there should be those classic snake pits too though! XD I'm thinking the tomb of the Pharoah will be the treasure... How did I forget the snake pit!? Those are must for a pyramid levels. The boss is going to be the curse of the pyramid. It'll be a bongo-bongo type character. Man that guys was tough... I'm thinking that he'll have the same type of attack style.

2008-08-24 07:35:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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I'm thinking the tomb of the Pharoah will be the treasure... How did I forget the snake pit!? Those are must for a pyramid levels. The boss is going to be the curse of the pyramid. It'll be a bongo-bongo type character. Man that guys was tough... I'm thinking that he'll have the same type of attack style. hmm that sounds good too... what like there will be "untold riches" in the pharoah's tomb? And yes snake pits are definitely a must! hmm curse of the pyramid... it's interesting I like it... have it be like dark and spirit like... so yeah Bongo-Bongo would be a good base form for it... very curse/ancient looking! attack style is pretty good for it too...

2008-08-24 07:39:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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hmm that sounds good too... what like there will be "untold riches" in the pharoah's tomb? And yes snake pits are definitely a must! hmm curse of the pyramid... it's interesting I like it... have it be like dark and spirit like... so yeah Bongo-Bongo would be a good base form for it... very curse/ancient looking! attack style is pretty good for it too... Well, probably... the archaelogist will be the only one who gets to know... he loots it while you face the boss. It'll be like bongo bongo except a little more rustic looking, and the stage will be surrounded by quicksand.

2008-08-24 07:46:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Well, probably... the archaelogist will be the only one who gets to know... he loots it while you face the boss. It'll be like bongo bongo except a little more rustic looking, and the stage will be surrounded by quicksand. haha I like the archaeologist thing! he loots the tomb while you defeat the curse! XD yeah I was thinking maybe deck him out in like old rustic kind of gold armor or something... or even have like a mummy type of vibe... like he's starting to unwrap so the cloth pieces are hanging off of him and stuff... I don't know... but yeah Bongo-Bongo is a good base for him. Oh, and the quicksand part sounds good...

2008-08-24 07:49:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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haha I like the archaeologist thing! he loots the tomb while you defeat the curse! XD yeah I was thinking maybe deck him out in like old rustic kind of gold armor or something... or even have like a mummy type of vibe... like he's starting to unwrap so the cloth pieces are hanging off of him and stuff... I don't know... but yeah Bongo-Bongo is a good base for him. Oh, and the quicksand part sounds good... I remember that happening in a game I was playing... forget which, but still. Yeah, he could have two forms, one is his Bongo Bongo/golden armor form, and then as you knock off his armor, he becomes this floating mummy monster that attacks with his wrappings. Quicksand is one of the things I fear the most... D:

2008-08-24 07:53:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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I remember that happening in a game I was playing... forget which, but still. Yeah, he could have two forms, one is his Bongo Bongo/golden armor form, and then as you knock off his armor, he becomes this floating mummy monster that attacks with his wrappings. Quicksand is one of the things I fear the most... D: Oh yeah I like the two forms idea be all like golden and powerful looking then the armor falls off and he floats around and attacks with his mummy wrappings... yes quicksand is quite...well dangerous and would not be fun if you were caught in it...

2008-08-24 07:56:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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Oh yeah I like the two forms idea be all like golden and powerful looking then the armor falls off and he floats around and attacks with his mummy wrappings... yes quicksand is quite...well dangerous and would not be fun if you were caught in it... I'm wondering how that would work... quicksand, that is... how exactly am I supposed to build it?

2008-08-24 08:00:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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I'm wondering how that would work... quicksand, that is... how exactly am I supposed to build it? I'm not sure... I was kind of wondering this about a few things... on both of our levels...

2008-08-24 08:03:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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have a bunch of items that are falling through gaps... it should be a controlled fall... that way its not free fall so you have to climb out before you get too low and fall int the death-gas...

2008-08-24 08:06:00 Author: 12454522412412 Posts: 779

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I'm not sure... I was kind of wondering this about a few things... on both of our levels... I think I'll have to replace quicksand with burning field of doom. I think I may be able to use this to my advantage. You kill the boss by knocking him into the flames and burning off his wrappings. Yay for creativity! have a bunch of items that are falling through gaps... it should be a controlled fall... that way its not free fall so you have to climb out before you get too low and fall int the death-gas... That would give the thermometer a heart attack!

2008-08-24 08:07:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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I think I'll have to replace quicksand with burning field of doom. I think I may be able to use this to my advantage. You kill the boss by knocking him into the flames and burning off his wrappings. Yay for creativity! That would give the thermometer a heart attack! ok yeah burning field of doom... good idea much easier to make... and yes that can be used to your advantage I like the idea of burning the boss up... Rock on Creativity!

2008-08-24 08:13:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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ok yeah burning field of doom... good idea much easier to make... and yes that can be used to your advantage I like the idea of burning the boss up... Rock on Creativity! Like Einstein said "Imagination is more important than knowledge" I'll make it to where you have to burn up each of the bosses wrappings by using the fireballs he generates and throws at you. (how do you do this? that's for me to know and you to find out)

2008-08-24 08:19:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Like Einstein said "Imagination is more important than knowledge" I'll make it to where you have to burn up each of the bosses wrappings by using the fireballs he generates and throws at you. (how do you do this? that's for me to know and you to find out) Oh yes, that Einstein... he was oh so smart! =P Burn up his wrappings with his own fireballs?... hmmm makes sense haha idk... same concept maybe as a video I saw... where the explosive barrels were launched back at the guys hanging from the top with some type of repulsive machine thing that bounced them back...?

2008-08-24 08:28:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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Oh yes, that Einstein... he was oh so smart! =P Burn up his wrappings with his own fireballs?... hmmm makes sense haha idk... same concept maybe as a video I saw... where the explosive barrels were launched back at the guys hanging from the top with some type of repulsive machine thing that bounced them back...? Same concept, except in a different way... >_> I'm keeping this under wraps, I don't want people beating this boss really easily because I gave away how to beat him.

2008-08-24 08:31:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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Same concept, except in a different way... >_> I'm keeping this under wraps, I don't want people beating this boss really easily because I gave away how to beat him. haha understandable! Should prove to be interesting!

2008-08-24 08:36:00 Author: DarkGod13 Posts: 302

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The Pyramid at Giza will be next, so what will we do with that? I'm thinking an Indiana Jones/the Mummy sort of thing. I'm making levels based on the indiana jones movies so maybe we could collaborate.

2008-08-24 09:58:00 Author: muttjones Posts: 843

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I'm making levels based on the indiana jones movies so maybe we could collaborate. Yeah, we could share ideas and stuff... (I could give you some of my booby traps, and you could give me some of yours)

2008-08-24 17:37:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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