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I mentioned this elsewhere but I think it would be a good idea to rebrand this site to reflect the diversity of the developers behind their work. I would really consider this in order to compete with the inevitable slew of new forums that are going to spring up when Dreams releases. My current suggestions are:

MMCentral
CreateCentral		2017-12-20 09:17:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

As much as it saddens me, I do think this is necessary. I vote for MMcentral.2017-12-20 12:53:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

MMCentral seems to be a good idea to me! 2017-12-20 14:34:00

Author:
CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

While i do like Media Molecule more than is likely healthy...i imagine the site's still going to be featuring LBP stuffs as well as Dreams. Whether we like Sumo and Tarisier (and United Front if we're counting LBPK, which we should), they've carried a fair amount of water for the series, and they deserve credit for that. So...maybe CreateCentral or some variant of that would be best?2017-12-24 21:59:00

Author:
waffleking23
Posts: 535

Convincing arguments, waffleking! 2017-12-25 06:24:00

Author:
CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

Out of the two suggestions, I’m thinking the same as waffleking and would prefer CreateCentral or something else entirely, any other suggestions?2017-12-26 08:59:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

My argument against waffleking's point is that this site is dedicated to all of MM's projects (including tearaway which isn't create). While Other companies may have worked on some of the games, they all worked under MM's IP. The other point is that there are many create games that LBPcentral does not cover, so I don't really see going general with it, as I believe it would be harder to find.2017-12-26 13:36:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

A good and fair point, kolton. Undercut just a touch by the subforum for MineCraft and Mario Maker and the like; but still, we wouldn't be here if MM hadn't gotten the ball rolling.2017-12-28 10:29:00

Author:
waffleking23
Posts: 535

A good and fair point, kolton. Undercut just a touch by the subforum for MineCraft and Mario Maker and the like; but still, we wouldn't be here if MM hadn't gotten the ball rolling.

I thought about that as well, but those sections have never really took off. In fact, most have 1 thread and the total of the non MM IP threads is less than Run Sackboy Run (11(nonMM) VS 14(RSR)). I would be cool with both names, I just also think MmCentral would be easier to find (and type ) since people googling dreams generally have to type media molecule dreams which would connect with google's search algorithm to link here more often than with CreateCentral. When I think CreateCentral, I think back to Spore which really started the whole play, create, share ideology in mainstream gaming.		2017-12-29 14:33:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

To be very honest, this site continuing at all has been a wait and see adventure with Dreams, especially since these days I am the only one paying for the care and feeding for the site. Not meaning anything by that as I enjoy keeping this running, but it does weigh in on my decisions a bit as it is another expense, for yet another hobby. (I have too many.. but not to worry, most are way more expensive than this!! lol)

Concerning rebranding... It is an easy thing to get included on searches for Dreams, so rebranding hadn't really crossed my mind at all. I did have planned updating the graphics to make it more Dreamesque though. Just really hadn't thought about the name.

I enjoy the discussion as I value any and all suggestions. So please continue. 		2017-12-29 16:00:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Ooooo, now I'm excited for the graphic updates! Actually this is probably what I care about the most.2017-12-31 06:45:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

Since the site has grown beyond the scope of LittleBigPlanet, then the acronym no longer fits. If you can't change the URL of the site and have it redirect to a newly named website, just change the acronym of LBP from LittleBigPlanet to something else.

Love Build Play?

Learn Build Play?

Little Big Porcupine?

The possibilities are endless!		2018-01-01 20:48:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

Nice thought actually.. lol2018-01-01 21:23:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I think the name should stay the same. LittleBigPlanet is not only a game, but also a kind of idea. Play Create Share - behind it there's a feeling of warmth... of nostalgia... of a community that'll be turning ten pretty soon. Multiple generations come together to play, and in creating, do so for each other. What other art form can do that?
It's crazy. I started playing in 2010 when I was 10 years old with the usual gummy bear and bomb survival levels, 8 years later I have an mm pick, littlebigplanetarium pin, 3-4 contest entries under my belt, and thousands of hours of good memories. To change the name is an attempt at erasing them.
Plus, lbp isn't done. It's a different experience then dreams. From speculation, dreams looks like it will demand more artistic skill and precision from creators. I think people will come back to lbp, I know I probably will. Can't leave sackboy behind :&apos
In all, let's get Tarsier to make LBP4. AND WHERE IS LBP HUB?

PS:I think games are art because making one can be just as personal for both the player and creator as an painting or movie.
PPS: I think waffleking23 is the guy who reviewed my level. What a coincidence.
PPPS: for the record, I dont play bomb survivals and gummy bear levels anymore. That's the introductory phase to lbp I feel.

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To be very honest, this site continuing at all has been a wait and see adventure with Dreams, especially since these days I am the only one paying for the care and feeding for the site. Not meaning anything by that as I enjoy keeping this running, but it does weigh in on my decisions a bit as it is another expense, for yet another hobby. (I have too many.. but not to worry, most are way more expensive than this!! lol)

Concerning rebranding... It is an easy thing to get included on searches for Dreams, so rebranding hadn't really crossed my mind at all. I did have planned updating the graphics to make it more Dreamesque though. Just really hadn't thought about the name.

I enjoy the discussion as I value any and all suggestions. So please continue.

If you need help with that, I'm pretty good. I use photoshop daily - normally painting, but I can definitely work some graphics.		2018-01-03 06:18:00

Author:
Wafflegod345
Posts: 74

I feel like both choices have advantages and disadvantages. Renaming the site would cause confusion for some older members who return, but leaving the name like that would prevent some new people from Dreams to join this site.

In the end I feel like leaving the name is the better option.		2018-01-06 22:11:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

I tend to agree. 2018-01-07 19:11:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Out of the names suggested, I think MMCentral is the best option. CreateCentral sounds too generic and wide, especially when the focus of the site will be Dreams, LBP, and Tearaway over any others, due to those all being MM games. While other developers have worked or may even continue to work on LBP, I feel like most people associate that series with Media Molecule over anyone else, due to them being the initial creators.

Also, CreateCentral shortened could only be CCentral, which doesn't look as nice nor necessarily obvious of what it's a shortened version of. MMCentral could convey its meaning easier by seeing the site focuses on MM games, and the logo design of it could incorporate elements of MM branding styles, whereas no amount of styling on CCentral would imply the C stands for Create.		2018-01-19 18:24:00

Author:
Moonface
Posts: 310

Thanks for your thoughts, moonface, and hahaha, I just noticed that MMCentral is sounding like the name of a train station! 2018-01-20 10:58:00

Author:
CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

I feel warlord_evil's idea is the best of those presented.

It provides continuity, so you don't confuse old members. I feel like it shows more creativity, which what all these games are about anyways, repurposing the current branding to fit however we want to expand.

Love build play - sounds the better of the 3 choices.

At the end of the day its the interaction in the forums itself which will attract more people to join us, and maybe some sweet graphics, because who doesn't like sweet graphics		2018-01-29 19:14:00

Author:
lsrs
Posts: 43

Has there been any serious movement on this idea? I really think it will drive more traffic here and the main focus will be Dreams, not LBP.2018-03-01 10:43:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

MM Central could be a nice name, but after all JWW decides things.2018-03-01 10:46:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

Has there been any serious movement on this idea? I really think it will drive more traffic here and the main focus will be Dreams, not LBP.

I commented on this back in January

Edit: Sorry to be so brief in the comment above, but none of my keyboards have been working for the past few days after installing a new gaming pad. I did that with the virtual keyboard. I hate that! lol I finally got a wireless one working today. Gheeeesh!!

I do enjoy seeing all the comments back and forth. I just have a bit of difficulty where it seems so obvious a decision either way for most of you. I think my comment back in January pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject, but I am willing to listen to more arguments. 		2018-03-02 13:07:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I don't think it's an obvious choice at all. On the one hand LBPCentral allows for older players to find this forum easier when coming back, but on the other hand new players would probably go to sites more directly named to dreams. Overall I sway on the side of MMcentral as it provides a means to keep LBP on the forum and bring in new people. I mainly say this because there probably won't be as many people who come back for dreams as we all expect. It's been 10 years (this October) since LBP1 came out and some people just never followed MM all the way. My suggestion would be create a news article that says LittleBigPlanetCentral (LBPCentral) has been changed to MMcentral (for google searches to redirect). But I'm not ENTIRELY convinced this is the way to go.2018-03-05 04:41:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

Good thoughts.. Thanks much! Gives me some ideas. 2018-03-09 13:50:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Here are some of my ideas:

"Little Big Dreams Central"

"Little Big Planet&Dreams Central"

"Dreams Central" (but still containing all of the LBP forums)		2018-03-17 14:45:00

Author:
gurren009
Posts: 2592

Everything has its positive and negative side, but I think that what weighs the most for the positive side should be at least taken into consideration...

Why don't we analyze the situation in a more ... fragmented way?

In case LBPCentral stays exactly the same (visually and the name):

- Older members would always come back here and recognize the forum.
- In case a LBP4 gets announced, there will be a lot more new members here.

In case LBPCentral changes visually and the name:

- New members (from Dreams) would feel a really 'fresh start' from the community.
- Dreams's players and creators would start showing up a lot.

Feel free to add more to the list.

- - -

My suggestion is that we don't change the name, but change all the visual and aesthetic from the forum.

If we make it clear in the start (I mean, the first thing you see when you open the site, the "LBP CENTRAL" and those pretty screenshots) that this is a site focused NOT ONLY in Dreams BUT ALSO in LBP, both communities from both games would come together as one cute entity.

That said, I think it is necessary that the aesthetic and design relates to both LBP & Dreams, not only Dreams, and not only LBP (as it stands now).

- Older members would always come back here and recognize the forum (PLUS people that don't know Dreams would start knowing about it)
- In case a LBP4 gets announced, there will be a lot more of new members here.
- New members (and old members) would feel a really 'fresh start' from the community.
- Dreams's players and creators would start showing up a lot.

aaaand,
That said, I think warlord_evil gave a really nice idea - what if the 'LBP' gets a new meaning? I don't think it is actually necessary, but it may help people think that this is not a LBP-only forum.		2018-04-04 01:52:00

Author:
cakito123
Posts: 353

Cool ideas, Cakito!2018-04-04 02:15:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

To be honest, there is already a handful of established forums made for Dreams and I don't see why we need an extra one. Why divide the fan-base for Dreams into several forums when we could all just focus on one and make it grow bigger than any of the top LBP fan-sites back in the day. I do appreciate that this site is still being kept alive with money from a generous person and I'd love to contribute economically when I have secured my investments so to speak. I personally like the idea of an LBP forum that I still can visit to discuss LBP only. I understand that things must change in order to keep LBPCentral alive but my suggestion is to only add a bigger Dreams section instead of completely evolving into a Dreams forum. That way this site can still keep LBP as a central core.2018-04-08 13:58:00

Author:
blacksackman
Posts: 234

Very good thoughts.

Curious... when you say larger Dreams section, what are you thinking? I can always add more forums in the Dreams area. Easy Peasy. 		2018-04-08 16:34:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Hahaha, I don't feel addressed now! 2018-04-08 18:30:00

Author:
CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

Oh gheeeeeze... lol2018-04-08 19:14:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Very good thoughts.

Curious... when you say larger Dreams section, what are you thinking? I can always add more forums in the Dreams area. Easy Peasy.

I think that it's too early to fully implement a bigger Dreams section on this site. I'd say that the best time is when there's a confirmed Beta so we can have a Beta section. After that I think that all LBP sections should be reduced into fewer categories and depending on what new features are revealed in Dreams, there could be categories tailored after in-game features. LBP currently takes up the majority of space and the optimal steps for a change would be to have Dreams categories replace a bigger chunk of that space in the future, while retaining a smaller reserved space for LBP stuff. The bottom line is that it's too early to go into details regarding a change but other people might also have some suggestions.		2018-04-08 20:39:00

Author:
blacksackman
Posts: 234

I scaled the LBP stuff back quite a bit already, but I will look into doing a bit more as the time comes.2018-04-08 21:14:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I don't know...
Putting all the threads about projects, ideas and topics into 3-4 categories doesn't sound good to me. I like how it right now. And when Dreams is out and when you know what kind of levels you can make and what's going on we can add the sections for it.

After all LBP Central is LBP Central in my opinion. Some folks might return, but it's likely that new Dreams players won't really find this froum/register here. Those are just my 2 cents though.		2018-04-09 01:58:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

I mean it's a gamble either way. Even if the site goes through a complete remake with a new name and design it's not a guarantee that it will succeed due to other already established forums made for Dreams. It's really just a risk for one person - the person that is funding this site and keeping it running. The best approach would be to slowly add in more Dreams sections and see whether the current users stay active there or not. Unless there is a new LBP game soon the old LBP sections will mostly lay there there to collect dust, which is why I recommend to scale it down further to keep the site clean. The is nothing worse than a dying site holding onto empty forums just because of nostalgia or whatever you call it. If added Dreams sections doesn't attract old and new visitors then it's better let LBPC end with it's head held high.2018-04-09 09:15:00

Author:
blacksackman
Posts: 234

Even if LBPC isn't the number one site when Dreams comes out and when there is no LBP game in 1 year, 2 years or more, I want to visit this forum and use it as some kind of archive. Closing LBPC wouldn't be good in my opinion. It's like deleting a certain part of your life as if it never happened. Drastically speaking. And while money seems to be a core argument here, it didn't sound like JWW was poor because of the server costs from what I remember. Of course there is also the question 'is it worth it?' Without any users on the site it is useless, but even when less posts are made here, many users still seem to visit this site.

When I scroll through old topics I can find them easily. If JWW decided to combine the categories, you'd have soo many threads in one category. How would you be able to find a certain thread? Simple categories would work better than filters here. And if you added a 'category' option to the filters, it would be unnecessary work in my opinion.		2018-04-09 14:54:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

I was thinking the exactly same thing with LBN after it ended, so to speak. While it's not exactly the same scenario we will probably never get it back, so much valuable information lost. I see you used an analogy for life but you must also realize that we just need to let go of some things sometimes, no mater how attached we are. While it would be sad to see another great LBP forum end, it's also a natural process - all things has an end and sometimes prolonging something that should've ended naturally is not healthy for the site or the individual. Forums are generally dying everywhere, it just doesn't apply for LBP forums, they have been on a steady decline for some years now. Ultimately it's up to the owner of the site to decide whether to continue or not. As long as it's up I will visit LBPC and I'm ready to see a closure that will inevitably happen. I think I've said enough regarding this topic now and I will hold it here before it turns into a rant haha.2018-04-09 15:41:00

Author:
blacksackman
Posts: 234

I'm just saying when LBP Central itself is closed it should still be accesssble as a archive.2018-04-09 16:39:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

Oh, come on people. It's not the end, it's a new beginning. I'll certainly be linking here if people ask for a decent Dreams related forum and I'm sure many other would too if they just rebranded the site. It will drop off for a while but we (the creators) can easily bring it back.

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Thinking about it, you could just go all out and call it DreamsCentral. If we really want this site to continue on and become the success it once was then that would definitely do it, but it has to hit the floor running and so it has to be done NOW, not later after other sites have hoovered up the hype. After the name change, you could then move all the Dreams related topics to the top of the forum so that's what people see immediately when they click the link.

You NEED to do this.		2018-06-07 13:25:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I agree, when Dreams comes out there need to be a few forums and after that a name change is too late. But it depends on what LBP Central is supposed to be. Is it a forum about LBP or will it be about Dreams?

The name 'DreamsCentral' sounds quite simple and I'm not sure if Jww likes it. 'MMCentral' sounds too official, as if it was a official forum. A name that includes something with 'Creativity' or 'Building, playing and sharing' would also be cool.

It's up to Jww now. 		2018-06-07 16:15:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

I agree, when Dreams comes out there need to be a few forums and after that a name change is too late. But it depends on what LBP Central is supposed to be. Is it a forum about LBP or will it be about Dreams?

The name 'DreamsCentral' sounds quite simple and I'm not sure if Jww likes it. 'MMCentral' sounds too official, as if it was a official forum. A name that includes something with 'Creativity' or 'Building, playing and sharing' would also be cool.

It's up to Jww now.

That's why I've said go straight for the jugular. I don't think subtle will be good enough. It has to be direct and to the point. Dreamscentral (DreamSentral) runs together quite nicely too.		2018-06-07 19:46:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Just putting this out there. Not saying what we are doing, however...

I hope you all realize there is a really nice site ran by our good friend b-coli called Dreamsverse.

https://www.dreamsverse.com		2018-06-08 11:46:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Just putting this out there. Not saying what we are doing, however...

I hope you all realize there is a really nice site ran by our good friend b-coli called Dreamsverse.

https://www.dreamsverse.com

Yes, I'm already signed up. BUT I want this place too.		2018-06-08 17:30:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Yes, I'm already signed up. BUT I want this place too.

I can appreciate that. 		2018-06-08 18:47:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Why does the Dream have to be plural!? It makes for such difficult play off words. Can't ever be worse than Demon's Souls though.2018-06-10 10:15:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

So you can have more than one Dream? lol2018-06-10 14:11:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I honestly don't know if a name change would bring more users, it's sad to see this place so unactive,Dreamcentral I think would be a great name 2018-08-08 22:20:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

I think MM Central would be cool, but I also think maybe LBP Central should stay LBP Central. It shouldn't be something it is not. It was made for LBP, not for Dreams.2018-08-09 12:11:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

Another thought is one of you could create one of these new sites for Dreams... or just join Dreamsverse like most of you already have. 2018-08-09 15:28:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Exactly, I think new forums for Dreams are better than changing a LBP forum to something it wasn't. I'm already on DreamsVerse, I don't visit it fairly often though. Need to check it out more often.2018-08-09 15:57:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

It's time for a new dawn my friend. LBPCentral shall rise again re-branded.

I guarantee a lot of old users will return. (hi!)		2018-10-13 17:29:00

Author:
olit123
Posts: 1341

I've been giving this some thought and I see no reason you can't go all in and rebrand to DreamsCentral. That will give you a fighting chance when people search and it still actually represents what LBP was and still is.2018-10-14 20:03:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I agree. Dreams Central, Dreamer Central or something along those lines. You could argue it's still related to LBP as in the intro they refer to planet earth as "the orb of dreamers" and LittleBigPlanet as a "dreamiverse".

Go on, this community meant a lot to many of us, you can revive it =D		2018-10-14 21:44:00

Author:
olit123
Posts: 1341

LBP Central was always about LBP. I think Dreams should have it's own sites.2018-10-15 05:36:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

I understand where you are coming from. But there must be some mind of compromise.2018-10-17 00:39:00

Author:
olit123
Posts: 1341

Sorry double posting because I'm a public menace. Is it possible to have two websites: "lbpcentral" and "dreamercentral" that users can access from the same account? That would be amazing.
https://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=98233		2018-11-06 17:14:00

Author:
olit123
Posts: 1341

I don't know, but would be interesting.2018-11-06 17:51:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

I have discovered 2 dreams fan sites so far and think there may be a 3rd out there lurking. I will back up JWW’s decision 100%. I would like to add my 2 cents though lol.

Lbp central servers can stay on forever at a cost with lower traffic to none.

Or

Change the name and try to capture old and new members.

Or

Change the name and move everything here to the new site and have this address redirect people to the new site.

Or

Partner with the good folks of former LBN and archive everything here there and redirect to there.

Or ask the people at dreamsverse to update there lbp section to just link this site

Those are my thoughts,

I am leaning to merging the content with dreamsverse and having a redirection. I mean if dreamsverse would change there lbp section to emulate the look and feel of both LBN and lbp central that would be dope. It is unfortunate they lost all there data. Those folks at lbn were an outstanding bunch and I miss them very much. Glad to see most have went to dreamsverse already		2018-11-09 16:59:00

Author:
L-I-M-I
Posts: 611

There are more issues than one would realize on this. For one, given the amount of monthly traffic, I really don't see the point. Dreamsverse is more than adequate to move forward with Dreams. I will keep this running for some time, but at some point... there is no real point.

True.. it could run cheaper somewhere else, but we would still have to update the software, redesign the site graphics and the upgrade database. Also the webserver needs upgraded along with other bits and bobs. A managed server would be much cheaper, but the amount of storage is an issue at some hosting sites. Currently bandwidth is not an issue..

However, someone still has to do all that work. Update, rebrand, repurpose, rethink, manage and keep it running. ...I have other fish to fry and after long and considerable thought on the subject, I have decided to shut the doors at some point in time. I have spoken with the folks at Dreamsverse about porting all the data over, but all there felt sad about it, but it wasn't worth it in the long run.

My biggest issue is my time... I really have none. Sad to say I am a older grownup that works quite a bit. It isn't so much the expense, but the time and for a very few visitors in a given month. LBP is 10 years old and at some point.. even the LBP servers will be offline.

I was hoping this last contest would be a nice celebration of everything cool about LBP and this site that has been so near and dear to all of us. Please realize that this decision has not come lightly and keep pushing the decision off... Now if someone was interested in taking this all over and doing whatever has been suggested, please send me a PM. I just can't keep it going forever and really would rather usher in Dreams with a fresh start at a new site. I recommend Dreamsverse.

At least that is where I am going. lol		2018-11-09 20:57:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

All I can say is thank you for everything from the bottom of my heart. The spotlight crew was one of the best times in my life and most memorable. It’s hard to let this go and I know this is not a decision that is taken lightly.

Time is what I am struggling with right now as well and I am trying and struggling extremely hard to rearrange things to create My first level in lbp3 and last level in lbp.

I’ve met some amazing people in this community and talk to one of em a lot and he is coming out of retirement as well to build one last one with me.

Just to clarify, the data will not be transferred to another site?

If anyone wants to touch base outside of here, hit me up on twitter anytime. I am not opposed to adding any of you to fb as well.

I love everything about this community.		2018-11-09 21:27:00

Author:
L-I-M-I
Posts: 611

Thanks so much. That means a bunch. I know what this site has always meant to me and why I struggled so hard to revive it a few years back and why I struggle so hard with keeping it alive. You are all like my family and cherish all the times we had here. Well.. except some of the shouty bits from a few folks. lol

As far as "Just to clarify, the data will not be transferred to another site?"

No.. I have offered, but as no one took me up on it, I have no plans to at this point. I may save it all off somewhere though. I hate saying goodbye.. lol		2018-11-09 21:40:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHOUTY BITS FROM SOME OF US D:<

But honestly, I get your decision. Imo Dreamsverse is essentially the same functionality as LBPC (hopefully they will add psn id's so that I can access their dreams easier, but idk if dreams will have an lbp.me site)		2018-11-10 04:08:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

Shouty bits from some of you that we ended up the "discussion" via the ban hammer.

Better? lol

I would think they could add PSN, as they run vBulletin as well. I didn't realize they didn't have that. 		2018-11-10 12:19:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I'll be sad when this site bites the dust, but I'm glad I could maybe help with the contests a little bit and make threads active. Thanks for providing a platform and a community here, jww!2018-11-10 13:55:00

Author:
mdkd99
Posts: 1172

Most welcome... I have enjoyed my time as keeper of the site. I really appreciate you jumping in and helping getting the contest crew moving again.

I hope everyone does join us over at Dreamsverse. To me, that is our site rebranding. Exactly what most of you were wanting and already there. 		2018-11-10 14:01:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Most welcome... I have enjoyed my time as keeper of the site. I really appreciate you jumping in and helping getting the contest crew moving again.

I hope everyone does join us over at Dreamsverse. To me, that is our site rebranding. Exactly what most of you were wanting and already there.

I've been a member of Dreamverse for quite some time. I go by the name of LoudMouse over there but I haven't been active for a while. I'm going to be really honest here so I hope you don't take offence: There's something about the colour selection and layout that doesn't feel as welcoming as this forum. It's a small thing, I know, but something draws me here and it's partly to do with the presentation. It was certainly the main reason I continued coming at the very beginning.		2018-11-10 20:40:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I've been a member of Dreamverse for quite some time. I go by the name of LoudMouse over there but I haven't been active for a while. I'm going to be really honest here so I hope you don't take offence: There's something about the colour selection and layout that doesn't feel as welcoming as this forum. It's a small thing, I know, but something draws me here and it's partly to do with the presentation. It was certainly the main reason I continued coming at the very beginning.

Yeh man the look of the other fan sites kinda put me off. It's funny that something so inconsequential should have such an effect but it does.

jwwphotos I understand why you would want to put this site to rest but I really do hope you can pass it on to someone who wants to keep it going. I would do it but I don't think I have the money or technical knowledge

IMO competition is good and there is room for dreamsverse, impspace, dreambubble AND dreamercentral

Remember how many different fansites were flourishing when LBP was first released?		2018-11-10 23:00:00

Author:
olit123
Posts: 1341

I've been a member of Dreamverse for quite some time. I go by the name of LoudMouse over there but I haven't been active for a while. I'm going to be really honest here so I hope you don't take offence: There's something about the colour selection and layout that doesn't feel as welcoming as this forum. It's a small thing, I know, but something draws me here and it's partly to do with the presentation. It was certainly the main reason I continued coming at the very beginning.

I completely agree. While I normally like the dark blue, black color scheme, for an Mm game I feel like it misses their style. I feel like warm and vibrant colors are the ones LBPC uses and are much more welcoming. I find this sites theme the best I have seen on any forum of this style. Fashionable, functional and doesn't require a great internet connection to access.		2018-11-11 05:23:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

I completely agree. While I normally like the dark blue, black color scheme, for an Mm game I feel like it misses their style. I feel like warm and vibrant colors are the ones LBPC uses and are much more welcoming. I find this sites theme the best I have seen on any forum of this style. Fashionable, functional and doesn't require a great internet connection to access.

Speaking of colour, have you noticed how Dreams has upped the vibrancy recently? It crept up so stealthily I hadn't noticed at first but when you go back and watch older footage, there's more of a pastel-like colour pallet back then. The recent LBP stream demonstrates it perfectly.		2018-11-11 05:47:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I'm betting it had to do with them recreating their engine multiple times. Here's a comparison of 3 years ago and 8 months ago. I'm betting these were both their final engine or very similar to it. You can tell that either Kareem is using different strokes for the "materials" or the way it was rendered differed or they made it more loose.
3 Years Ago:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4875/44910735845_4b8118bb09_b.jpg
8 Months Ago:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4893/44007338730_d629137f4c_b.jpg

Differences are lighting and extra grass and stuff on the other one as clearly it is more polished, but still quite different! When quickly watching the video it almost looks less accurate now with better looking results (less clear shakiness on sculpting, less hard edges).		2018-11-11 09:26:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

I just hope the lighting doesn't change horribly like from LBP1 to LBP2. ...but what exactly is this to do with site rebranding you ask? Well... me too.

..but I do agree, Dreams colors seem less muted now.		2018-11-11 12:51:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I just hope the lighting doesn't change horribly like from LBP1 to LBP2. ...but what exactly is this to do with site rebranding you ask? Well... me too.

..but I do agree, Dreams colors seem less muted now.

Perhaps that less muted colour pallet could be replicated on the Dreamverse forums ...?

There you go, I brought it full circle!		2018-11-11 13:02:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Perhaps that less muted colour pallet could be replicated on the Dreamverse forums ...?

There you go, I brought it full circle!

LOL!!! Awesome... and perhaps you will share that with them. 		2018-11-11 13:59:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

LOL!!! Awesome... and perhaps you will share that with them.

Oh, I thought you were also part of that forum.		2018-11-11 14:08:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I joined it.. that's about it. 2018-11-11 18:04:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Jww, any thoughts on archiving and locations to archive the site such as archival.org? If needed, put me down as a helping hand in archiving. Just give me a section, a deadline, and instructions.2019-01-07 21:47:00

Author:
L-I-M-I
Posts: 611

Not really... I've asked a few folks and nobody seemed that interested in converting the data into their site. Though it would not be for the faint of heart. lol2019-01-08 01:52:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

This site will always have been rather big for me way back wen, but I feel any attempt at bringing back he glory days would be a moot point at this point. I'd like to thank jww for keeping this up these last few years for nostalgic purposes, but I'd understand it's far past time to let go.2019-01-08 04:30:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Thanks for that Rock.

It is a tough tough thing to do.. but I haven't shut off the lights yet. 		2019-01-09 11:46:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Not really... I've asked a few folks and nobody seemed that interested in converting the data into their site. Though it would not be for the faint of heart. lol


The site archival.org will take anything for preservation purposes. It just takes uploading. I would volunteer time to salvage the tutorial and help sections first and then on and on.		2019-01-09 22:37:00

Author:
L-I-M-I
Posts: 611

Yeah this place was a great place to be in its heyday. Be a shame to see it go... I can’t believe you’re still runnin this place JWW! Good to see it’s still here so I can reminisce a bit, because Dreams is comin and I ain’t lookin back! Hope to see some old faces around Dreams!2019-01-09 23:05:00

Author:
smasher
Posts: 641

Hey smasher! Long time!

Make sure you sign up to Dreamsverse! 		2019-01-10 00:47:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383


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