Archive: 36 posts

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Back in my day, we didnt have "yays" we had good ol Stars. We rated levels we liked with 5 stars, and we gave cancerous levels 1 star. But then they took away stars for yays and boos. Then they took away the boos. Now, smiles mean fart-all and are just an ambiguous "like" function that leaves the actual good creators out there with no accurate gauge of how well the community has received their projects. So, I urge Sumo... Bring back the stars rating. Make it an option at least, so that "children" with their "feelings" can remain safe from constructive criticism and reality, while us mature adults can have a good solid universal rating system again. K, thanks.

2014-11-25 01:47:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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an option to choose how you want your level rated is a nice idea i think. or at least star rating on/off. but thats just for me. on the other side... i guess children think their levels are sooooo cool and guess everyone will rate it 5 stars anyways... and enable it. also they will turn it on anyways because if you don't its like admiting your level is bad. (not my view, but i guess they will think so sooner or later)

2014-11-27 20:52:00 Author: ForcesWerwolf Posts: 475

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an option to choose how you want your level rated is a nice idea i think. or at least star rating on/off. but thats just for me. I have to agree that it'd be a ok idea for people to have a option of how or not they want their level rated. However personally i don't want ratings on my content, good or bad i don't like people thinking they can judge the worth of my content. my stuff wasn't made for them to start with and it's meaning of existence is not up to them to decide just to say. *mew

2014-11-27 21:19:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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I have to agree that it'd be a ok idea for people to have a option of how or not they want their level rated. However personally i don't want ratings on my content, good or bad i don't like people thinking they can judge the worth of my content. my stuff wasn't made for them to start with and it's meaning of existence is not up to them to decide just to say. *mew Hmm... Well there is going to be judgement nonetheless since like... You put it out there. If you ignore the judgement, that's cool- you ignore it and others' judgements shouldn't matter whether it is good or bad. Perhaps your level will be a hidden gem, or perhaps it will not stack up to what is the idea of a great level. But some like to see those ratings to get an idea as to what to expect from something, and if your level happens to be rated low, then you're in luck, because it doesn't matter to you, because you do not care for the judgements of others. The level means to you, what it means to you, and the level also means to others, what they deem it to mean to them. If they don't like your level, that's their opinion.

2014-11-27 23:15:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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i agree LBP was great with Boos and Yays seems every year they change things that we the community love

2014-11-28 01:07:00 Author: rave2014e Posts: 67

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they need some way to fairly rate levels i dont even like levels anymore because it really means nothing. its like having two heart buttons

2014-11-28 02:04:00 Author: Razortehkill Posts: 173

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they need some way to fairly rate levels i dont even like levels anymore because it really means nothing. its like having two heart buttons yeah two heart buttons. well said! but if you think about it, one is to replay the level later again and again cause you save in your heart list - and one is to just say that you liked it. like facebook likes. (and lol the "new" level list option just adds a third heart button to the set) for me it still means a lot if someone likes AND yays. still on your side,... just no idea how you can prevent trolling and revenge downvoting.

2014-11-28 03:41:00 Author: ForcesWerwolf Posts: 475

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Hmm... Well there is going to be judgement nonetheless since like... You put it out there. If you ignore the judgement, that's cool- you ignore it and others' judgements shouldn't matter whether it is good or bad. Perhaps your level will be a hidden gem, or perhaps it will not stack up to what is the idea of a great level. But some like to see those ratings to get an idea as to what to expect from something, and if your level happens to be rated low, then you're in luck, because it doesn't matter to you, because you do not care for the judgements of others. The level means to you, what it means to you, and the level also means to others, what they deem it to mean to them. If they don't like your level, that's their opinion. That's why i said having the option to add or remove ratings would be nice, not everyone makes something for the same reason as others. and also it doesn't matter to me that people judge my work in their own minds as long i don't have to deal with it, however i don't want a stat button forced on my level's page reminding me every minute what people think of it unless i want to see it. people can think what they want of course, except i shouldn't be forced to see it. And if me turning my ratings off would turn off some people from playing it then that's fine to me. IMO more options is almost always nice. *mew

2014-11-28 04:51:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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I disagree. The problem with the stars was that it defaulted to three out of five and most players seemed to just want to click through without taking the time to actually rate it. So a good level with 1000 plays would get 50 5-stars, 100 4-stars, 700 3-stars, and 150 1-stars (10 1-stars from people who genuinely didn't like the level and the rest from trolls). With yays and boos, there was too much abuse: people would recruit their friends to boo a level because they had some sort of grudge against the creator. On the other hand, more than once I would boo a level because I genuinely didn't like it and the creator would message me all hostile, "Why did you boo my level?!" The system is just fine the way it is: look at the plays vs. the yays and you get an ok idea of how well-liked a level is. There's no room for negative abuse because all you can do is not yay a level.

2014-12-01 18:41:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188

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The system is just fine the way it is: look at the plays vs. the yays and you get an ok idea of how well-liked a level is. There's no room for negative abuse because all you can do is not yay a level. I agree. I don't think LBP is the best place for people to spend their time on being negative. Sometimes it's nice to have a break and play on a game that is not dripping with bad emotions everywhere. There's nothing wrong with a game that tries to promote good behavior imo. *mew

2014-12-01 21:21:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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That's why i said having the option to add or remove ratings would be nice, not everyone makes something for the same reason as others. and also it doesn't matter to me that people judge my work in their own minds as long i don't have to deal with it, however i don't want a stat button forced on my level's page reminding me every minute what people think of it unless i want to see it. people can think what they want of course, except i shouldn't be forced to see it. And if me turning my ratings off would turn off some people from playing it then that's fine to me. IMO more options is almost always nice. *mew In that case, an option for the ratings to not be viewable by you would fix it. (Of course if you DID want to see the stats, you'd just enable them) That way, people can see the rating of your level so they get an idea that it may, or may not, be something they will like. And with this option, you aren't stuck looking at the ratings. I sometimes play the low-rated levels myself, just to see why they are so low. It's not about you, in this sense, it's about the one playing the level. Even if you don't care who plays your level, they care about what they play. To say you want to remove the ratings entirely, is like a game dev telling every reviewer out there to not review the game. And that's not good for either the dev or player. I disagree. The problem with the stars was that it defaulted to three out of five and most players seemed to just want to click through without taking the time to actually rate it. So a good level with 1000 plays would get 50 5-stars, 100 4-stars, 700 3-stars, and 150 1-stars (10 1-stars from people who genuinely didn't like the level and the rest from trolls). With yays and boos, there was too much abuse: people would recruit their friends to boo a level because they had some sort of grudge against the creator. On the other hand, more than once I would boo a level because I genuinely didn't like it and the creator would message me all hostile, "Why did you boo my level?!" The system is just fine the way it is: look at the plays vs. the yays and you get an ok idea of how well-liked a level is. There's no room for negative abuse because all you can do is not yay a level. I rather like how it is as well. But regarding the stars, if 3 being the default is the issue, that can be fixed by making a 'no rate' option as the default.

2014-12-01 23:50:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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In that case, an option for the ratings to not be viewable by you would fix it. (Of course if you DID want to see the stats, you'd just enable them) That way, people can see the rating of your level so they get an idea that it may, or may not, be something they will like. And with this option, you aren't stuck looking at the ratings. I sometimes play the low-rated levels myself, just to see why they are so low. It's not about you, in this sense, it's about the one playing the level. Even if you don't care who plays your level, they care about what they play. To say you want to remove the ratings entirely, is like a game dev telling every reviewer out there to not review the game. And that's not good for either the dev or player. Umm no? It feels like you are trying to annoy me so I'm just gonna cut it short and say i fully disagree with you. My works are my works and it should be fully under my control regardless of how it makes me look. And not everything needs a public rating or review. Anyways we'll just have to agree to disagree. *mew Also after thinking about it, the game is fine how it is and doesn't really need different style rating options. the system we have currently is a better environment for everyone imo.

2014-12-02 00:11:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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Umm no? It feels like you are trying to annoy me so I'm just gonna cut it short and say i fully disagree with you. My works are my works and it should be fully under my control regardless of how it makes me look. And not everything needs a public rating or review. Anyways we'll just have to agree to disagree. *mew Also after thinking about it, the game is fine how it is and doesn't really need different style rating options. the system we have currently is a better environment for everyone imo. Well I am certainly not trying to annoy you. If you feel that I am trying to annoy you, then that's you thinking it, and not me doing it. I was merely stating an opinion and offered a compromise to perhaps make it good for both the creator and the player with your points taken into consideration. And again, regardless if you want people to have an opinion on your level (Good, Neutral, or Bad), the level will be judged by the individual who played it; no matter if you want them to or not. That judgement, however, depends on their tastes and preferences. Then, some people like to see whether others liked something, to see if they feel that their time is worth playing that level. This is why we have reviews(Reviewers) and why we have ratings. It's not about you, it's about the player. The only way to keep them from judging it is if you never publish or show it. But that's not good because then that would be a kind of censorship that the creator puts on themselves. PS: I do like the current state of the rating system. No need to really change it.

2014-12-02 01:41:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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It's not about you, it's about the player. Nope that is nonsense. while it depends differently on each person or group of people, but for people such as me it is about the creator. this current age of self-entitled consumers that always think it's about them is really obnoxious, not all of us creators are out to make a product that only point of being is for others, but that doesn't mean we don't want to share it, and this is also different then normal reviews or game ratings games get since it's pasted straight onto your levels ingame. imagine going into a game store and all games had ratings pasted right onto their boxes? that would be absurd. and not everything is meant to be a game too. such as art. and it doesn't matter if players don't always have something to base their judgement on if it's worth their time, at that point that's their own choice to make if they want to risk it or not. And telling me that you are not trying to annoy me is silly even if that is the case. How many people would admit to that?

2014-12-02 02:12:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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I agree. I create levels for a particular gamer, not entirely for myself, but I do make levels for a group of people that arent entirely crossed over with the LBP community. You create for whoever you want. Not for everyone.

2014-12-02 05:52:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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I think that all ratings should have just been done in a review. If you want to go out of your way to give your opinion, use your sackperson's emotion buttons (anything you like)... and pressing up in the form of a smile would yeay it/play the yeay sound effect. (programming/stabilitywise, wouldn't this also effectively eliminate any unnecessary code/links to other actions?)

2014-12-02 18:42:00 Author: rrad10n Posts: 27

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Nope that is nonsense. while it depends differently on each person or group of people, but for people such as me it is about the creator. this current age of self-entitled consumers that always think it's about them is really obnoxious, not all of us creators are out to make a product that only point of being is for others, but that doesn't mean we don't want to share it, and this is also different then normal reviews or game ratings games get since it's pasted straight onto your levels ingame. imagine going into a game store and all games had ratings pasted right onto their boxes? that would be absurd. and not everything is meant to be a game too. such as art. and it doesn't matter if players don't always have something to base their judgement on if it's worth their time, at that point that's their own choice to make if they want to risk it or not. Well... Actually, they do have a ratings system on all games. The ESRB rating. But that's not a numbers thing. Anywho, my main point is that the rating doesn't matter to some. People have a choice to listen to the yays/plays or not. But it is good that they are there for the ones who want to listen to the yays/plays. And telling me that you are not trying to annoy me is silly even if that is the case. How many people would admit to that? Well yes, it is a bit silly of me to think your stubborn judgement (That's not an insult) would be fixed by me saying that, but there's nothing I could say to prove it to you. I agree. I create levels for a particular gamer, not entirely for myself, but I do make levels for a group of people that arent entirely crossed over with the LBP community. You create for whoever you want. Not for everyone. Well yeah. No one creates for everyone, because that means they are trying to please everyone. That's impossible. Shoot. Even Fume here creates for someone, themselves.

2014-12-03 03:05:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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Stars were an awful system and they were removed for a reason. 99% of players would only vote 1 or 5 stars. Literally no media platforms use the star system anymore because it's repeatedly proven to be useless.

2014-12-05 06:49:00 Author: Tyler Posts: 663

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Stars were an awful system and they were removed for a reason. 99% of players would only vote 1 or 5 stars. Literally no media platforms use the star system anymore because it's repeatedly proven to be useless. Wait-a-second... If they mostly only chose between two different options, then wouldn't 1 star be a boo, and a 5 star be a yay? Which when compared to the system used by Youtube involving thumbs up and thumbs down, if you replace the red and green bar with stars, then it would be similar. Although, I personally believe that there is no system that actually 'works' that is being used anywhere.

2014-12-06 01:06:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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Im going to sound odd in a bit, but hear me out: This sounds like how in the start of America, when people were starting to create the constitution, they didnt know what type of voting system they should choose. It took them like 5 years Im guessing to work out all the kinks, and its kinda like what we got going on here.

2014-12-06 07:06:00 Author: XX_sonicfan_XX Posts: 265

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I agree with you, poorjack. I really dislike the immature kids on LBP. You can tell how many of them there are too. A lot. Someone has the most Yayed review on a level? Let's Boo it because it's not me! Many of my reviews get deleted because I give great feedback. Who cares about their feelings? Criticism calls for better creations. They need to step up and face reality.

2014-12-07 03:36:00 Author: minifat Posts: 75

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Im going to sound odd in a bit, but hear me out: This sounds like how in the start of America, when people were starting to create the constitution, they didn't know what type of voting system they should choose. It took them like 5 years Im guessing to work out all the kinks, and its kinda like what we got going on here. Not odd at all. Individuals and their groups are what run America. The same can be said (somewhat) about LBP. Oh. And Playstation = A member of the UN 8D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DueSvcjn810)

2014-12-07 07:34:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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I agree; a revolutionized voting system does need to be amended; this once! :tophat:

2014-12-09 14:04:00 Author: AxisTheLegend Posts: 59

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I agree; a revolutionized voting system does need to be amended; this once! :tophat: Well that's the thing. The most obvious solution would be that if there was a solid base for opinions, which there isn't one. That means that no system will work completely, and you will always have those who disagree due to conflicting arguments. America's current voting system is closer to a better functioning system, but then there's the issue of which is more important, the will of the people, or the individual. And then you have things like corrupt politics and agendas that scrutinize progress, but we will call those glitches/bugs and anyone who willingly decides to impede progress for their own gains. If you look at what voting is, it's people choosing on what opinion they wish to convey or decide on, be it by picking from a specific list of choices (Presidents, yay/nay, or a menu at a fancy restaurant) or adding their own options (Ordering what's not on the menu, mixing drinks of their choice, or deciding to take the sidewalk with their car because there is too much traffic). But that silliness aside, seeing as how I know nothing of politics, if you REALLY wanted to make a system that works, then look at what's wrong with the current systems and improve upon them. So what is 'wrong' with the current system in how we vote on levels and express our opinions? Does it keep people from expressing their opinions? Is it simple to use? What's annoying about it?

2014-12-10 06:59:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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Yeah I completely agree Devious; they do need to fix the current system for voting, and I know they can fix it for the better; because I know I could definitely create an awesome voting system if I contemplated about it enough and did my research , so they can definitely do one. Democracy can be a complicated tool - when we have tyrants in our LittleBigPlanet universe. :L

2014-12-10 14:15:00 Author: AxisTheLegend Posts: 59

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Yeah I completely agree Devious; they do need to fix the current system for voting, and I know they can fix it for the better; because I know I could definitely create an awesome voting system if I contemplated about it enough and did my research , so they can definitely do one. Democracy can be a complicated tool - when we have tyrants in our LittleBigPlanet universe. :L Well we don't really have any tyrants in the voting system of LBP. No one really has any major influence over who's levels are 'good' or not; so no O'Reilly's at the moment.

2014-12-11 11:16:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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Hahaha!! Sorry - I'm very literal when it comes to words xD it's one of the consequences of being a lexicographer :L I meeeaaan trolls, silly willy people; who use the rating system oppressively. Don't take the last sentence into to much consideration, I was just having a giggle.

2014-12-11 12:45:00 Author: AxisTheLegend Posts: 59

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Hahaha!! Sorry - I'm very literal when it comes to words xD it's one of the consequences of being a lexicographer :L I meeeaaan trolls, silly willy people; who use the rating system oppressively. Don't take the last sentence into to much consideration, I was just having a giggle. I was actually being.... Sarcastic? Facetious? I am not sure what to label it as, but basically, I was having a laugh myself with some commentary on the fact (Luckily) that we have no major influential people who would make those trolls into a 'regime'. 8D

2014-12-12 08:55:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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Oooh, yeah! Lucky we don't have anyone like that! Although our current regime sucks :L xD Our Cool Levels and Most Popular levels are saturated with those Bomb Survival levels and Kill Justin Bieber levels D: So I still definitely agree to the main subject - we need a fix to the current voting system!

2014-12-15 01:26:00 Author: AxisTheLegend Posts: 59

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Stars were an awful system and they were removed for a reason. 99% of players would only vote 1 or 5 stars. Literally no media platforms use the star system anymore because it's repeatedly proven to be useless. Part of the problem was it being a mandatory step. I can't have been the only one just sticking with whatever default came up just because I wanted out as quickly as possible to get to another level

2014-12-15 02:16:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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YEAH! Do not make it mandatory! I swear that's the only problem :L

2014-12-15 02:27:00 Author: AxisTheLegend Posts: 59

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If it were the only problem, big content sites wouldn't have all abandoned the Stars concept years ago. Everyone knows by now that the average consumer can't use that much receptive freedom well, and it always ends up in all ratings being an enormous mess, even on things that are solely good. A simple thumbs up/down or only thumbs up system works best these days.

2014-12-15 13:40:00 Author: Tyler Posts: 663

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If it were the only problem, big content sites wouldn't have all abandoned the Stars concept years ago. Everyone knows by now that the average consumer can't use that much receptive freedom well, and it always ends up in all ratings being an enormous mess, even on things that are solely good. A simple thumbs up/down or only thumbs up system works best these days. Although Netflix still uses the stars system. And there could be many reasons as to why some have decided to not use the stars system anymore. All those reasons aren't always because it doesn't do its job, either.

2014-12-16 07:02:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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i agree LBP was great with Boos and Yays seems every year they change things that we the community love They got rid of the Dive In feature too

2014-12-16 21:43:00 Author: AlekkusuFuyu Posts: 69

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Regardless of level design, aesthetics, or gameplay, I will Yay any level that I think the creator has put effort in to. My levels have progressively gotten better over time, in my opinion, and I like to see them be received by the public better than the last. For me, the feedback is the best part. We all like our effort to be appreciated, so I agree that we need a voting system. Getting rid of the Boo's was a silly idea. Of course, there are people out there who dislike a level simply because they are envious of it or because they don't like the author. In my mind, let's have a system with Yay's and Boo's, because stars didn't work great anyway (every level was voted 3 stars because the default was 3 and no one could be bothered moving it left or right). My ideal system is that you can Yay a level, Leave a level with no rating as usual, or Boo a level, however if Boo'd, you must leave a review. The review for most would just be "vijsbodhash".. but at least then the author would know that it was just some troll, not someone who genuinely played the level and had a legit reason to dislike

2014-12-16 23:05:00 Author: LittleBigSnooth Posts: 454

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Regardless of level design, aesthetics, or gameplay, I will Yay any level that I think the creator has put effort in to. My levels have progressively gotten better over time, in my opinion, and I like to see them be received by the public better than the last. For me, the feedback is the best part. We all like our effort to be appreciated, so I agree that we need a voting system. Getting rid of the Boo's was a silly idea. Of course, there are people out there who dislike a level simply because they are envious of it or because they don't like the author. In my mind, let's have a system with Yay's and Boo's, because stars didn't work great anyway (every level was voted 3 stars because the default was 3 and no one could be bothered moving it left or right). My ideal system is that you can Yay a level, Leave a level with no rating as usual, or Boo a level, however if Boo'd, you must leave a review. The review for most would just be "vijsbodhash".. but at least then the author would know that it was just some troll, not someone who genuinely played the level and had a legit reason to dislike If you're going to force people to HAVE to write a review for when they boo, then you have to force people who yay'd it to also do the same.

2014-12-17 00:15:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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