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I was just wondering about peoples opinions of bringing the boo rating back, or even bringing back the star rating system.

2014-07-31 02:48:00 Author: Smuffy04 Posts: 606

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I feel like some sort of rating system would be nice, but I'm not entirely sure how it would work... If we put back the "boo" or star rating system back in then maybe force the person rating to post a comment/review? That way no one can abuse the system, and we can know why a certain level was booed or given so few stars.

2014-07-31 03:35:00 Author: Raku Posts: 292

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I agree, can't help but feel some kind of rating system would be good... but then the more I think it over, the more I realise we are so much better without the ability for trolls or revengeful players who've been 'boo-ed' to needlessly spam boos on your levels... and unfortunately stipulating someone leave a comment/review would most likely result in pointless gibberish from those who want to abuse the system - personally I've felt a lot less frustration since boos & stars were removed...

2014-07-31 09:53:00 Author: StickmanDude Posts: 8

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Could be good against copiers but could be bad as trolls will abuse it.... Yes......

2014-08-01 01:10:00 Author: TheKillerSack Posts: 49

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could be good against copiers but could be bad as trolls will abuse it.... Yes...... what he said! - - - - - - - - - - Could be good against copiers but could be bad as trolls will abuse it.... Yes...... WHAT HE SAID!

2014-08-01 01:23:00 Author: purpledragon209 Posts: 25

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I always thought that the BOO option was a bad idea from the start. Trolls in groups would boo a level that the creator took time to build just so their own copied/spammed level would leap frog to the top of cool pages ect. Yet for some odd reason the copied/spammed level that is buried in boos has tons of plays. It just seemed to be there to be abused by trolls. I do like the idea of the 5 star rating system though, i hope it comes back for LBP3

2014-08-01 08:24:00 Author: RtooDee2 Posts: 175

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I'm all in for for the LBP1 star rating system, since it establishes the quality of the level. As for the boo rating, I'm pretty indifferent about that one. I look at the number of yays a level gained more than the number of boos. Then again, if LBP3 does bring back the star ratings, then it doesn't seem like the boo rating is necessary, since the stars pretty much gives you all you need to know.

2014-08-01 09:51:00 Author: chronos453 Posts: 175

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I'd have to say yep if I was forced to choose then I'd go star rating rather than boos... in my eyes though any possibility to reduce overall 'score' of a level by giving the option for a low rating is just asking for trouble... copiers will do their thing no matter what until the copy feature is removed... and same goes for trolls - at least confining them to the comments section rather than an easy boo or 1 star rating helps reduce the effect.. my 2cents anyway

2014-08-01 15:11:00 Author: StickmanDude Posts: 8

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I really would push for the star rating system, but I would hope that once a level got over 20 or so plays, the lower (and upper, to be fair) 5% of ratings just got thrown out. I just want the ratings to be truly indicative of the level's quality.

2014-08-01 15:58:00 Author: piggabling Posts: 2979

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Booing would be nice, because for ying you need Yang, and for yay you need boo

2014-08-01 17:06:00 Author: I_AM_L_FORCE Posts: 48

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And wally-217 pushes the star system into the lead! We don't really need any to return since you can just look at how many hearts/yays a level has vs number of plays. [A good level typically has a ratio between 3:1 and 5:1]. If the star rating system was to return, I think it should only display the hearts underneath the photo's section and publish date to serve more for the creator's benefit. It shouldn't be plastered on top of the level badge like in LBP1. And you choose a rating underneath/after the tags selection so it wouldn't be forced, meaning the rating is more honest. I've never had any experience with troll ratings or boos. Some of my LBP1 levels have a lot of plays and solid 4*/5* ratings on the better ones. I never got many boos but I generally only get/got 50-150 plays. the lower (and upper, to be fair) 5% of ratings just got thrown out The 5th and 95th percentile rule sounds like a really good idea and would only have a positive effect.

2014-08-01 18:01:00 Author: wally-217 Posts: 521

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The vast majority of players don't look at ratings or reviews when choosing levels. That's how all the copied spam levels became so popular, even with horrible ratings and reviews. So bringing back the "boo" ratings will only hurt legitimate creators who actually care about their ratings. As for the star system, most people just chose the default 3 star rating at every level.

2014-08-01 18:08:00 Author: ILoveI6v6I Posts: 44

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I say the star system, but don't force a rating. Make it so you have to actively choose to rate the level, that way people won't just click 3 stars. And I think a more detailed breakdown would be good too than lbp1 had. ID like it to show how many people rated five stars, four stars, etc... Or even just make it out of 10... or 100... just make it metacritic please.

2014-08-01 19:04:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 544

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While personally I don't see the boo rating as much of a setback, I have seen it can discourage other creators whether they're honest ratings or just trolls being trolls. I think the system we have now is fine with just the yay rating. That way creators can see how many players enjoy their level while not being discouraged by those who don't. For those who don't enjoy the level they can just review their reasons why or just simply not say anything and move on.

2014-08-02 20:00:00 Author: Bladex61 Posts: 348

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I just use play to yay ratio as you all use boo to yay ratios, same effect, but if we had the star rating, we would at least have more then 1 or 0 to show your feelings towards a level, that way you can see if things are crud, bad, meh, good, and MM PICK OMG YES instead of just 20 plays;12 yays

2014-08-03 03:09:00 Author: amiel445566 Posts: 664

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I still don't know though... Most of the time I'm usually indifferent and just move on when I play a level. I usually "Yay" or heart a level when it's something I think is cool or love. Again I get why people might not want the boo or star rating system, but it makes me feel bad because a level has to click for me to either "yay" or heart it. Just because I don't do either doesn't mean I don't like the level or thing it's bad... I just don't really feel much about it (one way or another) so I move on and leave the rating alone =/

2014-08-03 03:14:00 Author: Raku Posts: 292

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I had an idea. What if they leave the yay system, but allow for yaying different aspects of the level? For example, a level could be yayed for each of creativity, gameplay, aesthetics, replayabillity, Music/SFX. This would give creators a more detailed breakdown of what they're doing well and what could be better, while still preventing abuse of the ability to down rate things.

2014-08-06 09:00:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 544

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I think the stars should come back BUT all five ratings should have their own count. That way, the programmers can make the search engine ignore the number of 1 star ratings (or 2-3 star ratings) and count the 4's and 5's. Averaging out the ratings would give the trolls too much sway over the system. EDIT: In other words, what Tynz21 already said.

2014-08-06 11:57:00 Author: MMLgamer Posts: 183

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Hmmm how about a completely different idea... One statistic telling you how much time people on average spent playing the level and another one showing what percentage completes it. Bad or broken levels may have low play time and less completion as people rage quit but good levels would get more play time with a higher completion rating. The players feedback would be involuntary unless a review and they wouldn't be able to abuse the system as easily.

2014-08-06 12:03:00 Author: ForgottenEnigma Posts: 1414

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Hmmm how about a completely different idea... One statistic telling you how much time people on average spent playing the level and another one showing what percentage completes it. Bad or broken levels may have low play time and less completion as people rage quit but good levels would get more play time with a higher completion rating. The players feedback would be involuntary unless a review and they wouldn't be able to abuse the system as easily. Yeah except copied levels that spam the cool pages and hangout levels would become the highest rated levels.

2014-08-06 17:26:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 544

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I had an idea. What if they leave the yay system, but allow for yaying different aspects of the level? For example, a level could be yayed for each of creativity, gameplay, aesthetics, replayabillity, Music/SFX. This would give creators a more detailed breakdown of what they're doing well and what could be better, while still preventing abuse of the ability to down rate things. That's a system that I see could work well. It would make reviews more effective in terms of constructive criticism.

2014-08-06 20:29:00 Author: Bladex61 Posts: 348

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I had an idea. What if they leave the yay system, but allow for yaying different aspects of the level? For example, a level could be yayed for each of creativity, gameplay, aesthetics, replayabillity, Music/SFX. This would give creators a more detailed breakdown of what they're doing well and what could be better, while still preventing abuse of the ability to down rate things. I like the idea, but I doubt many people would spend the time to go through this. If there were to be a skip option, a large majority would opt-out, I feel. It would only work in reviews, where people already intend to spend a minute or two reflecting upon a level. Also, for any level that doesn't have thousands of plays, reviews aren't very numerous. I believe that if a system like this were to be implemented, they would have to use a star rating system. Individually, "Yays" are too vague to convey the true feelings of the player. Lastly, these different aspects would have to be very broad, because of the sheer diversity of level-types we'll be seeing in LBP3. Still, I hope something like this could be made to work.

2014-08-07 01:41:00 Author: piggabling Posts: 2979

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I feel as if the Boo option would be good. Because then even if a level is on The Cool Pages, then you won't want to play it. And come on guys, seriously? One "troll" disliking a level won't do anything. You have to get at least a few hundred to get a somewhat dent... - - - - - - - - - - The reason why the Boo button to me was so helpful was because I could see right off the bat if a level was good or not. The star rating, well, it has more "depth" into its system. One star-terrible. Two star-I guess... 3 star-average, but bad. 4 star-Average. 5 star-Perfect level. I dislike it because 1.It just "feels" old timey. And 2. It's way more complex than the simple Yay or Nay. Also, the layout of the yay or boo at the end of the level was beautifully executed, but with the star system, it just looked wrong and out of place. But maybe the star system and the yay/boo system could work together. Surely no one will go to that much trouble to spoil both ratings. Ex. After you finish the level, the normal end screen will show up, (and the online friends at the top) you rate, did you enjoy this level? Yay or boo? Then it would say "What would you rate this level for other players? And you choose the amount of stars. (Under the face that your friends make will be the rating if the stars.) Then in the reviews, it would show the face, and next to it on the right would be the number of stars.

2014-08-08 09:51:00 Author: XX_sonicfan_XX Posts: 265

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far as my opinion on the matter if boos should come back or not... I say they should not, they don't really help creators, proper made reviews are what really help creators grow. Otherwise I don't really care what rating system Sony uses on LBP long as they keep the option to disable ratings on ya level. *mew

2014-08-08 10:07:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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I wish that you could like choose how much your sackboy smiles to the level. It would be kinda like star system then but a lot cooler looking and of course nobody would become sad because of boos. But I do agree with fumetsusozo, reviews are really the only important thing to creator. Yays/hearts/stars etc just lift your mood a bit, though sometimes they might even make you think too much of yourself.

2014-08-08 14:22:00 Author: Lakera-13 Posts: 85

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I wish that you could like choose how much your sackboy smiles to the level. It would be kinda like star system then but a lot cooler looking and of course nobody would become sad because of boos. But I do agree with fumetsusozo, reviews are really the only important thing to creator. Yays/hearts/stars etc just lift your mood a bit, though sometimes they might even make you think too much of yourself. Liked that system, where it affect your sackperson's mood. ★★★★★ - A happy expression; just like you just Yayed a level/Review/Comment in the standard Yay/Boo system. ★★★★☆ - Smile. ★★★☆☆ - Neutral, as if you didn't Yayed or Boo'd. ★★☆☆☆ - A sad expression; just like you just Yayed a level/Review/Comment in the standard Yay/Boo system. ★☆☆☆☆ - A disheartened expression. By the way if you were to rate the comment or review, you only Yay/Boo. Levels however, star ratings.

2014-08-08 23:11:00 Author: ShiftyDog Posts: 293

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What would really fit the game is using the direction buttons to rate the level with one of the four emotions. Interpretation could be left to the imagination. Sounds cool to me, but I guess it doesn't solve the rating problem.

2014-08-09 01:31:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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What would really fit the game is using the direction buttons to rate the level with one of the four emotions. Interpretation could be left to the imagination. Sounds cool to me, but I guess it doesn't solve the rating problem. That could be amusing albeit confusing.

2014-08-09 02:40:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 544

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What would really fit the game is using the direction buttons to rate the level with one of the four emotions. Interpretation could be left to the imagination. Sounds cool to me, but I guess it doesn't solve the rating problem. I would actually like that XD

2014-08-09 02:47:00 Author: Raku Posts: 292

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In my opinion, giving a 1 Star rating or Booing a level is the equivalent of not yaying it. LBP2 simplified it nicely, and as someone already mentioned, you can judge the rating by noticing the number of plays to the number of yays ratio. As someone who creates difficult levels not made for the casual player, the onslaught of boos was always disheartening in LBP1. It in no way indicated the lack of quality of the level, but rather the lack of patience or skill of the player reviewing it. Always made me sad.

2014-08-09 17:24:00 Author: DokterVintij Posts: 31

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★★★★★ - A happy expression; just like you just Yayed a level/Review/Comment in the standard Yay/Boo system. ★★★★☆ - Smile. ★★★☆☆ - Neutral, as if you didn't Yayed or Boo'd. ★★☆☆☆ - A sad expression; just like you just Yayed a level/Review/Comment in the standard Yay/Boo system. ★☆☆☆☆ - A disheartened expression. This is actually the best idea I have heard in this thread, but I was thinking of my own idea as well. Maybe they can bring back the Boo Rating and the Star Rating as well, but in order to submit the rating, you need to create a reason why you decided to choose with that rating with it being at least one sentence, so we don't get any trolls just spamming "a." in their reviews and giving it a low rating just so they can clog up the front page with copied levels from LBP1 and LBP2. Either way, i'm fine with any option the LBP3 team goes with.

2014-08-10 07:49:00 Author: Kawasuzu Posts: 32

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I voted no, but now I regret it. D: I should have voted star rating system

2014-08-11 03:28:00 Author: ZNBJ Posts: 181

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Liked that system, where it affect your sackperson's mood. ★★★★★ - A happy expression; just like you just Yayed a level/Review/Comment in the standard Yay/Boo system. ★★★★☆ - Smile. ★★★☆☆ - Neutral, as if you didn't Yayed or Boo'd. ★★☆☆☆ - A sad expression; just like you just Yayed a level/Review/Comment in the standard Yay/Boo system. ★☆☆☆☆ - A disheartened expression. By the way if you were to rate the comment or review, you only Yay/Boo. Levels however, star ratings. The issue with the star rating though is that some would just skip it by simply quickly pressing X, this would give 3 stars no matter the persons opinion on the level. They would have to think of a way to fix this or at least improve it.

2014-08-11 03:34:00 Author: Shooter0898 Posts: 996

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No rating system works. The ratings people give your level will never be useful because it is in no way an indication of quality. Good or bad, at most it's just someones opinion with nothing to back it up or explain their reasoning. People will always rate 5 stars/yay just to be nice, 3 stars/skip because of laziness or not caring, and 1 star/boo for trivial or bad reasons. Either way it's of no use to you since it's all just rating whatever they want on a whim and not a logical, well-thought-out assessment. Even when it is done by someone who can accurately judge the quality of the level, you'll never know since their ratings are mixed with all the others with no way to tell them apart. The only useful thing is unbiased, well written, logical/well-thought-out reviews.

2014-08-11 06:56:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800

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I don't wanna see boos make a comeback...I like the stars more.

2014-08-11 07:17:00 Author: Lbphart3 Posts: 813

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this was from a different thread, just felt it might do some good here The thing is is that without a boo, its not a compete rating system, and half a system is no system at all. its more of a "LIKE IT OR LEAVE!" kinda deal. The boo was just a simply way of saying "not good to me" and if people get upset over a kids game, they should either A. get out more or B. realize that its just a game and should get over it. (and before someone replies saying "what about big groups of trolls?" it would take atleast a few hundred to put atleast a dent in it. ) sorry for sounding harsh/

2014-08-15 03:44:00 Author: XX_sonicfan_XX Posts: 265

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I was thinking: have the star rating, and have that and reviews be required. With this, they should remove the "highest rated" or "cool pages" search. Also, you can click on the rating and see how many people voted each different rating, and if you clicked on that, you could see which players in specific voted that rating. As well, in the reviews you should be able to sort reviews based on their ratings, so that you can see honest reviews without having to dig through as much trash.

2014-08-17 18:26:00 Author: L1N3R1D3R Posts: 13447

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I think the star system would work the best, but either way we NEED some way to give negative feedback. Yes, trolls may abuse it a little. But I made it through waves and waves of crap from trolls and people who hated me and became excessively known for my music. I think it goes without saying that if you make good content, it will be recognized eventually. It took a good year and a half before I even broke 300 hearts, and the whole time I had to deal with stupid people bothering me (and booing my levels) but that didn't keep people from finding me and supporting my efforts. Long story short, if you make good stuff, you'll get somewhere eventually, even with a negative rating system in place. I saw more people legitimately offering feedback via a negative response than just "it sux." I still think the star system should return though.

2014-08-17 19:03:00 Author: TheMorta Posts: 29

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I think the star system would work the best, but either way we NEED some way to give negative feedback. Yes, trolls may abuse it a little. But I made it through waves and waves of crap from trolls and people who hated me and became excessively known for my music. I think it goes without saying that if you make good content, it will be recognized eventually. It took a good year and a half before I even broke 300 hearts, and the whole time I had to deal with stupid people bothering me (and booing my levels) but that didn't keep people from finding me and supporting my efforts. Long story short, if you make good stuff, you'll get somewhere eventually, even with a negative rating system in place. I saw more people legitimately offering feedback via a negative response than just "it sux." I still think the star system should return though. I agree with this.

2014-08-17 21:09:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 544

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I did like the star rating system. It was a great way of showing specific results from players. In my opinion it doesn't matter which they do but they should either bring back the booing or bring back the star system. We need some way to express negative feedback. For me, that's one of the big ways I was able to tell right off the bat if a level was probably good or not, by comparing the yays to boos. And for te creator, whether they needed improvement. Hopefully they add a bit more emphasis on the rating system

2014-08-17 23:55:00 Author: airide101 Posts: 141

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