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This might be old news. If it is delete away... I recently found my tank which I busted my *ss making, being gifted out on various levels. Stuck me as odd seeing how I NEVER RELEASED IT AS SHARED!! I will not say how this is being done but I can say that I have confirmed it can be done and is being done. Whats worse is that some of these reverse share objects list the person who stole it as the SOLD CREATOR.. thats right... your name is not even listed. The person who stole it and MM are the only ones listed. Creators... if your gifting hard work and dont want it shareable you should cease all gifting until MM fixes this issue. I did contact MM staff and they are aware of this so. When it will be fixed or if it will be fixed is unknown but until then watch what you share! Again I apologize if this is old news.

2009-02-15 02:01:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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Darn, good thing I haven't made anything as complex as your tank, yet.... Sorry to hear that this is happening to you.

2009-02-15 02:21:00 Author: Sackdragon Posts: 427

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Yes it sucks bad. I was mad enough when it was just being gifted but to see my name completely removed from creation is just BS. Its not just happening to me though. While investigating the matter I was gifted a Jeep by someone trying to get on my good side. I noticed the jeep immediately, probably the best jeep on LBP.. think thats the name of it. Anyway I remember winning it at one time and it not being shareable. I checked creator name and it had the original authors name with the THIEFS name as contributor. I contacted the author to make sure and he was completely blind sided. He had no idea this had happened. Anyway I gave the THIEF lots of heat and made him message the creator with apology himself. Since then I have found quite a bit of this going on and some levels openly advertising UNLOCKED gifts.. ****** me off that one of my levels was deleted one time for having the word *ss in a text bubble but someone can openly give away gifts they admit to stealing and the levels remain active. Complete BS.

2009-02-15 02:34:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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Not sure what exploit they're using to do this, but MM should really fix this.

2009-02-15 03:15:00 Author: Entity Posts: 274

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My friend xscrubzilla- is helping me reverse share some items right now. We are going to get a youtube video up tonight at least warning creators. I will not be showing how its done of course. Im sure some here already know but if they are respectable LBP Community Members they will not share that info. Anyone who does this to me is just low scum.

2009-02-15 03:36:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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My friend xscrubzilla- is helping me reverse share some items right now. We are going to get a youtube video up tonight at least warning creators. I will not be showing how its done of course. Im sure some here already know but if they are respectable LBP Community Members they will not share that info. Anyone who does this to me is just low scum. dude, i played 6 games that gave your tanks away. its popular. thats why im not sellin my stuff. too speshul.

2009-02-15 05:05:00 Author: kodymcq Posts: 281

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Here is youtube vid. Not much more than what I told you here but it does show my tank that was gifted back to me and creator name changed. Vid might still be processing. kRhu81FBOyg

2009-02-15 05:56:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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Here is youtube vid. Not much more than what I told you here but it does show my tank that was gifted back to me and creator name changed. Vid might still be processing. kRhu81FBOyg great! the vid shows everything. great. im gonna get a riot started warning people about this.

2009-02-15 06:12:00 Author: kodymcq Posts: 281

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That's horrible. A lot of work down the drain just because of some idiotic people who can't even make their own creations. I'll be sure to one star all of them, and leave a juicy comment

2009-02-15 09:08:00 Author: Bear Posts: 2079

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Aww man that's harsh, dude for your sake i hope they fix this problem!

2009-02-15 09:17:00 Author: Thee-Flash Posts: 3154

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No matter what you do in life you will always get low life scum that will expliot others hard work and cut corners and claim it as their own. Hopefully MM will fix this soon or people wont want to share anything any more

2009-02-15 10:26:00 Author: dorien Posts: 2767

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It's actually a useful exploit when not being done for the wrong reasons. There was a thread a while back where the creator encouraged this exploit so that other creators could manipulate this object for their own needs. Mm needs to put a new option on objects called "Editable?" to prevent this.

2009-02-15 10:37:00 Author: Killian Posts: 2575

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Bugger! That's annoying as all get out!! BTW... what is your tank called? If it's the one I'm thinking of, I think I have a copy of it in my locker space. It's just sitting there and I really have no plans on using it, but I'm positive it was gifted on a level that was advertised either here or in the LBP NEWS section in my pod a few months back. I really only kept it to see how the creator accomplished such a great engineering feat, and as inspiration to get building something complex of my own some day.

2009-02-15 11:06:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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Bugger! That's annoying as all get out!! BTW... what is your tank called? If it's the one I'm thinking of, I think I have a copy of it in my locker space. It's just sitting there and I really have no plans on using it, but I'm positive it was gifted on a level that was advertised either here or in the LBP NEWS section in my pod a few months back. I really only kept it to see how the creator accomplished such a great engineering feat, and as inspiration to get building something complex of my own some day. The problem as I understand it is not that people are seeing his work and learning from it, it's that people are taking original complex creations that are not set to sharable, and then modifying the objects and making them sharable and giving them away, often times not even mentioning the original creator and their hard work. It's one thing to be learning from other people's creations. It's a great idea, and I appreciate how MM and others have made some of their works as visible objects so you can work out how they do some of their more complex things. But it's another thing again to rip off someone's hard work and claim credit for it as your own.

2009-02-16 10:08:00 Author: Elbee23 Posts: 1280

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This is a real shame. I have an idea how this must be being done and of course I'll keep it to myself (no plans on using it either ) And I'm wondering, Kratos, you say you're p'ed about your level being moderated because of the a word, but these levels can just go on... Did you try good-griefing them? You have a legitimate reason to do so, why not give it a shot, see if the moderators side with you... Or did you try this already?

2009-02-16 16:03:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348

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Thanks for the report Kratos! You're always on top of this sort of thing and looking out for fellow creators. It's a shame there's so many usurpers on LBP. What's even worse is I don't think there's much we or MM can do to stop them apart from not giving them the opportunity to steal by not making anything shareable. Of course, by doing that we lose the whole "Share" aspect of LBP. So it's kind of a lose-lose situation there.

2009-02-16 16:10:00 Author: Gilgamesh Posts: 2536

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Thanks for the warning man.

2009-02-16 17:07:00 Author: olit123 Posts: 1341

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Dont get me wrong I dont mind at all that people get my work, see how its done, and learn from it. When its all said and done I did not come up with all the ideas for my tank. The off object controls and grabs for travel were ideas given to me by drunkmiffy and Elbee23 I believe. I got recoil idea from rryan who I think is a member here. The Pod idea came from a person that got his hands on my tank, chopped it up a bit then claimed it has his own. I still gave him credit for the pod idea even though he tried to do me and offered no KY. My tank is a gift. You can see the controls, put the box where you want and watch them operate. My beef comes in because they are not only sharing but their name is listed as AUTHOR and in some cases the original authors name is not even listed at all. Its not just me. My tank is nice IMO but there are far far far better and cooler creations out there and they can and will get stolen, and probably already are. I contacted three creators about objects I found of theirs. They had no idea it was happening.

2009-02-16 17:09:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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Yes it sucks bad. I was mad enough when it was just being gifted but to see my name completely removed from creation is just BS. Its not just happening to me though. While investigating the matter I was gifted a Jeep by someone trying to get on my good side. I noticed the jeep immediately, probably the best jeep on LBP.. think thats the name of it. Anyway I remember winning it at one time and it not being shareable. I checked creator name and it had the original authors name with the THIEFS name as contributor. I contacted the author to make sure and he was completely blind sided. He had no idea this had happened. Anyway I gave the THIEF lots of heat and made him message the creator with apology himself. Since then I have found quite a bit of this going on and some levels openly advertising UNLOCKED gifts.. ****** me off that one of my levels was deleted one time for having the word *ss in a text bubble but someone can openly give away gifts they admit to stealing and the levels remain active. Complete BS. So if anyone sees the awesome Kratos4 HT-1 being given away in a level, please pm either Kratos or mrjoeyman. It should not be gifted sharable in any way at this time.

2009-02-17 07:08:00 Author: mrjoeyman Posts: 217

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With all due respect, but it's still just a game. And apart from it being a game, and because of it, the community will always be rather 'young'.... no offence intended, but it does tend to lead to this sort of thing. My stance (but that's merely personal of course) is not to take myself or others too serious in all this.

2009-02-17 08:28:00 Author: Wonko the Sane Posts: 109

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With all due respect, but it's still just a game. And apart from it being a game, and because of it, the community will always be rather 'young'.... no offence intended, but it does tend to lead to this sort of thing. My stance (but that's merely personal of course) is not to take myself or others too serious in all this. No offence taken. Game or not though, some people have spent significant time on these objects and did so under the impression that "not shareable" meant not shareable. If anything its done completey the opposite, and then some, from what it was suppose to do. You go from not shareable to not yours anymore.

2009-02-17 14:11:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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No broadcasting.

2009-02-17 14:47:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824

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We really dont need broadcast any method of doing this, and no its not that simple on every object. MM is all over this and knows whats happening. Talk about fast reaction time.. go MM! Hopefully the next patch will take care of this.

2009-02-17 15:11:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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We really dont need broadcast any method of doing this, and no its not that simple on every object. MM is all over this and the problem has been found. Talk about fast reaction time.. go MM! Hopefully the next patch will take care of this. Edit your post then and what's the reason?

2009-02-17 16:02:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824

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Edit your post then and what's the reason? Talking about broadcasting ways to do it. Letting everyone know the bug is there is completely different. That works towards a fix. The only people that need to know how its being done is the people fixing it... MM.

2009-02-17 16:06:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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This is an unfortunate situation, it seems like it would be really difficult to patch, but hopefully I am wrong.

2009-02-17 16:18:00 Author: Walter-Kovacs Posts: 542

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This is an unfortunate situation, it seems like it would be really difficult to patch, but hopefully I am wrong. MM has already figured out what the problem is and I think we could expect it to be fixed in the next update. For now they have suggested a temporary workaround that appears to work. Before I share the workaround I want to make sure it works, or at least makes it harder for the thieves. Keep in mind though that the tempoary fix is no guarantee, which means you cant use it then be mad if your object gets stolen or reverse shared. UPDATE: The temporary fix suggested by MM did is not reliable and really does not slow down the process that much but it was an effort So for now its gift your objects and hope they dont get ripped or dont gift if your dont fell safe. My suggestion.... find someone you TRUST that knows how to do this and have your objects tested. There are some objects that cannot be done and some that are very simple.

2009-02-17 16:24:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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With all due respect, but it's still just a game. And apart from it being a game, and because of it, the community will always be rather 'young'.... no offence intended, but it does tend to lead to this sort of thing. My stance (but that's merely personal of course) is not to take myself or others too serious in all this. Yes Wonko, I say you have a good point. But credit where due, is well... you know the rest. Why does a creator desire the most stars or a high value of plays displayed on their level? Isn't it just a game? But it is inherently desireable to have some sort of outward sign that your work is being appreciated by those who utilize it. Thanks Kratos4 for getting MM's attention and thanks MM for taking action to rectify the problem.

2009-02-18 02:57:00 Author: mrjoeyman Posts: 217

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Ok.. as I stated, MM has figured out the bug and it should be fixed next update. The work around did not work but they did learn more about the bug from the work around failing, which means an even higher probability that it will be fixed in the next update So overall good news. I tried the good grief tool to report levels that had stolen my objects but apparently that is run by Sony so I dont expect anything to be done. Knowing Sony they are on the lookout for things that could potentially come back and bite them.

2009-02-18 14:53:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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Why does a creator desire the most stars or a high value of plays displayed on their level? Isn't it just a game? But it is inherently desireable to have some sort of outward sign that your work is being appreciated by those who utilize it. Thanks Kratos4 for getting MM's attention and thanks MM for taking action to rectify the problem. Mrjoeyman, I completely agree with the opinion that reward is inherently desirable for those deserving it. I only meant to commend my stance in all this (and in view of this opinion regarding reward, which I think is correct), which is a stance of not taking it too serious. BUT that's not how I think everyone should see it, as I said, it's purely personal and I wouldn't want to do more than commend it for the peace of mind it brings. At the same time I do support Kratos' effort to bring this copy-glitch-thing to the attention of MM. By commending piece of mind I don't mean laisser faire. Perhaps I should have emphasized this in my previous post. What Kratos is talking about is an obvious flaw, since this communitylock-thing is actually meant to prevent bland plagiarism. But I did think his use of the epithet 'THIEVES' (capitalized) a bit exaggerated. Many of these plagiarizing people probabely aren't entirely mature yet in certain respects or perhaps haven't even the slightest clue that someone might take offence (which doesn't make it right of course)... But yeah, it's a young community.

2009-02-18 20:10:00 Author: Wonko the Sane Posts: 109

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Yup, it's not that hard to do. Unfortunately, anyone who does more-than-basic creation work figures it out based on their own objects.

2009-02-18 20:26:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Hey, thanks for the heads up. Never knew about this glitch. If you could post again (or edit your post) to let us know when it's for sure fixed, that'd be great Thanks again.

2009-02-18 22:02:00 Author: GangsterGarfield Posts: 63

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But I did think his use of the epithet 'THIEVES' (capitalized) a bit exaggerated. Many of these plagiarizing people probabely aren't entirely mature yet in certain respects or perhaps haven't even the slightest clue that someone might take offence (which doesn't make it right of course)... But yeah, it's a young community. Have to disagree there. Theres no age restriction on being a THIEF and several of these people, prior to me finding out they were STEALING my work , suggested sharing account information to obtain eachothers purchased content. They know what they are doing.

2009-02-19 13:30:00 Author: rz22g Posts: 340

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Well ok then, but one can know what he's doing in one sense (and thus be doing it deliberately) and at the same time not know what he's doing in an other sense (in the moral sense for instance, and thus be convinced that what he is doing is harmless). This applies especially to piracy. I watch the Naruto anime on Veoh and know that this is wrong and I should buy the DVD's instead. So I'm watching it deliberately on veoh and I deliberately *not* buy the DVD's because its not worth that much to me. Unfortunately for the producers, I completely and utterly fail to see the wrong of it. This thing about copying your creations is still a bit different of course, but not substantively. That said, I understand your feelings since I tried the tank. I got stuck and didn't finish the level, but that tank is something to be proud of allright.

2009-02-19 15:38:00 Author: Wonko the Sane Posts: 109

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This is good to know... I have a few special items which I was considering gifting out, but I will be thinking twice before I do so. Actually I'm fairly certain I know how this is being done, and if I'm right, it's painful to think just how easy and quick it is to do. Not that I really care that much, once my levels are out and have some plays on them, I don't really care if people take the ideas or not. It's been said that imitation (or outright plagiarism) is the highest form of flattery. But come on... at least have the decency to give credit where due. But, I suppose if I worked very hard on an object, and published it only to see that it became vastly popular in someone else's hands instead of my own, that I would be angry.

2009-02-19 18:49:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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On the bright side, with Kratos4's Mighty Mite tank everyone will KNOW they're a thief. I think virtually EVERYONE knows that tank.

2009-02-19 18:57:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Can this be done with stickers? I have some concerns regarding a few different non-sharable sticker switches that players need to acquire in order to access prizes in a level.

2009-02-19 19:57:00 Author: Jaeyden Posts: 564

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Yeah, I know... you just have to capture the object yourself and you can share it however you want. It's a pretty lame oversight... The only person who won the Neo Metal Slug (before I got an even higher score, and just decided he earned it anyway) told me "I could just give it to whoever I want" - I just said, I know, but please don't... it's special, and you earned it. I recently gave away the beautiful GMC truck I made as a prize for the good ending in L.O.V.E., and I may regret it, as some terrible level creator may use it in a basic and juvenile short drive level and get ten times more plays and hearts than I ever will... but oh well, I made my contribution, and I know it's mine.

2009-02-19 21:01:00 Author: Unknown User

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Can this be done with stickers? I have some concerns regarding a few different non-sharable sticker switches that players need to acquire in order to access prizes in a level. I don't THINK this would apply to the same scenario - because if the ID of the sticker was broken to be shared, it wouldn't really be the same sticker anymore. Mainly, the issue above deals with whether the system KNOWS it's Kratos' tank anymore.

2009-02-19 21:07:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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You can't recapture a sticker, but you can paste it to an item, and then capture the item with the sticker on it - so the person could use the sticker in their own things and give out the material/item with the sticker on it... but they can't just have the sticker in their on-the-fly in-game sticker pop-it to cheat sticker prize things with.

2009-02-19 21:22:00 Author: Unknown User

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On the bright side, with Kratos4's Mighty Mite tank everyone will KNOW they're a thief. I think virtually EVERYONE knows that tank. You'd have to be an idiot to try to pass that off as your own... haha.

2009-02-19 21:58:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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Really a shame that LBP's encouraged share feature if being abused by that kind of people, same reason why not many people have many copyable levels actually.

2009-04-06 23:34:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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People can just capture your object and put it in prize bubbles.

2009-04-07 20:03:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291

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Wow... That sucks! I hope Media Molecule finds out about this ASAP!!! Non-sharable objects shouldn't be able to be captured and given as prize bubbles!

2009-04-08 01:14:00 Author: tjb0607 Posts: 1054

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