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LittleBigPlanet's DLC Pricing

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I wonder how much it would cost? Yes, I know noone knows yet, and it would all depend on what content they put out for download... But my guess is it'd go no higher than $10. Any more than that would seem a little pricy (depending on what it is, of course!)... What do you guys think?2008-08-20 05:14:00

Author:
aer0blue
Posts: 1603

As long as they continue pushing the envelope with their DLC I'd pay good money. Youtube integration, loads of new materials, water, sackboys, etc are all worth decent dough to me.2008-08-20 05:21:00

Author:
docpac
Posts: 601

I'd be willing to pay quite a bit if the DLC was worth it. I'll probably end up buying all DLC anyways though. 2008-08-20 05:24:00

Author:
StrikerBack
Posts: 103

i would hope its all like 3.99

im not ganna pay 10 bucks unless its 10 bucks worth of stuff, (new tools materials, costums, levels etc.) all together		2008-08-20 06:07:00

Author:
12454522412412
Posts: 779

hopefully it's free because i haven't got a credit card 2008-08-20 06:13:00

Author:
Yarbone
Posts: 3036

PSN Cards are to come out soon, or so the myth goes...2008-08-20 06:15:00

Author:
aer0blue
Posts: 1603

PSN cards are already out, if you have a Meijer in your area.2008-08-20 12:45:00

Author:
bbroman
Posts: 1374

Ok let me rephrase that... PSN cards are to come out to major retail stores.2008-08-20 13:51:00

Author:
aer0blue
Posts: 1603

I really don't like the idea of paid DLC because, it tends to divide players. With CoD4, there's the one and only map-pack. Those who paid for it have this elitist attitude and those who aren't willing to pay for stuff that should arguably have been in the game from day one, end up with a degraded experience.

What do I mean by degraded experience? Well, firstly, those who purchased the add-on content will never cease to tell those who haven't to go waste the 10USD. If you don't have the DLC and you join a group online, you're able to play normal if they're on a map you have. As soon as a DLC map comes up, you get booted for not having the content.
It works the same in Forza Motorsport 2(360). If someone has a car-pack, and they pull out a paid car (eg: 2006 Civic Si), those without the car pack get booted, instantly. There are about 50USD worth of DLC for Forza 2.

As for the original post about DLC pricing, my opinion is clear. All DLC should be free or there should be no DLC and all should be included in the game.		2008-08-20 14:26:00

Author:
1000101
Posts: 192

i would assume they would go higher than $10 for stuff like water, youtube support etc. but everything like new costumes, items, levels would be lower than $102008-08-20 14:49:00

Author:
muttjones
Posts: 843

i don't agree with being free for new stuff. the game companies worked hard and them getting paid for it would be a good incentive to continue releasing updates there is a fine line for price though as for any updates in LBP i wouldn't mind spending 10 for some new items, materials, and costumes but would never rub it in other peoples faces that is just a jerk move. You know if you are happy with the items and costumes and material the game is coming with then who cares if someone got a different hat then you. One thing i wonder is would you be able to play a level that had the updates like water perhaps even if you didn't buy the DLC.2008-08-20 14:53:00

Author:
Cartoonguy
Posts: 234

I would rather they just do one huge pack for adding features, and then smaller packs for holiday objects, costume packs, and so on.

But yeah, with Warhawk, there are 2 booster packs now, with me having the Omega Dawn pack, but not being able to play games with the Broken mirror pack. I don't like splintering.		2008-08-20 14:55:00

Author:
lbp
Posts: 423

I really don't like the idea of paid DLC because, it tends to divide players. With CoD4, there's the one and only map-pack. Those who paid for it have this elitist attitude and those who aren't willing to pay for stuff that should arguably have been in the game from day one, end up with a degraded experience.

What do I mean by degraded experience? Well, firstly, those who purchased the add-on content will never cease to tell those who haven't to go waste the 10USD. If you don't have the DLC and you join a group online, you're able to play normal if they're on a map you have. As soon as a DLC map comes up, you get booted for not having the content.
It works the same in Forza Motorsport 2(360). If someone has a car-pack, and they pull out a paid car (eg: 2006 Civic Si), those without the car pack get booted, instantly. There are about 50USD worth of DLC for Forza 2.

As for the original post about DLC pricing, my opinion is clear. All DLC should be free or there should be no DLC and all should be included in the game.

Good point there. I think if it's some new little stuff (like on COD4, new map's) they should be a free DLC, but if it has some stuff that changes the game completley it should be paid because that needs alot of effort from the programmer's. In that case, 10USD is a fair price I think.		2008-08-20 14:56:00

Author:
Drop
Posts: 46

i don't agree with being free for new stuff. the game companies worked hard and them getting paid for it would be a good incentive to continue releasing updates there is a fine line for price though as for any updates in LBP i wouldn't mind spending 10 for some new items, materials, and costumes but would never rub it in other peoples faces that is just a jerk move. You know if you are happy with the items and costumes and material the game is coming with then who cares if someone got a different hat then you. One thing i wonder is would you be able to play a level that had the updates like water perhaps even if you didn't buy the DLC.
The problem with this argument is that the game companies do not always work as hard as you like to think. Often, they'll just throw in something that was in the original game earlier and charge you ten bucks for it. It's often unfair - everyone paid for the game. However, if the DLC is worth it, I'll get it. It depends. Crap DLC should be free, but if the DLC is something that really matters, that changes the gameplay (like YouTube or Water) it's worth $5-10 to me.		2008-08-20 14:59:00

Author:
bbroman
Posts: 1374

Yea i understand what you mean. I guess what I was trying to say is some work hard for it and others slack off. but if those greedy companies sell the ****ty updates they are more inclined (not to say they would make anything quicker) to make new updates.
I agree that those ****ty add-ons of now extra fun should be free and water and you tube should be at most a 10 buck addition. I am glad that we live in a world with internet to get info on these updates before we spend 10 bucks on stuff.		2008-08-20 15:16:00

Author:
Cartoonguy
Posts: 234

I'm going to flip this question around - what do you want to see from DLC and how much do you think is a fair price?

We've got plans in place, but with a game like LittleBigPlanet we can really push ideas on how DLC can be cool and provide great value for money, so if you've got ideas let's have them.

What I can tell you right now is that in all the additional content we've got planned so far we're doing everything possible to ensure that it doesn't split the community. I can't guarantee it'll end up this way but we're looking for ways where regardless of what's introduced everyone can always play together.		2008-08-20 15:32:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well Sam, I really don't know... I mean, we all want to see water and uploaded pictures from the HDD. Maybe a way to change their format to the format LBP uses for snapshots so the sizes are smaller...? And personally, I still want that paint tool...hahah.

It would all depend, I guess. Water and a few other minor things I'd probably spend those $10, honestly, because water would bring so much more depth (not like it doesnt have any!) than it already has (regarding the gameplay, I mean). I also read somewhere about playing with gravity...? Haven't heard much on that, but that would be totally awesome, too.

Anyway, that would be good, because considering this game is heavy on the online, a split in the community would be a real downer.		2008-08-20 15:40:00

Author:
aer0blue
Posts: 1603

Also worth highlighting at this stage is that we are planning to give a whole bunch of stuff away for free 2008-08-20 15:52:00

Author:
Unknown User

WOOT. Awesome.

As long as it isn't, like... nose-stickers. >____>		2008-08-20 15:55:00

Author:
aer0blue
Posts: 1603

What I want most from DLC is new creator features. New materials, new AI brains, new hazards, new effects (rain etc), new backgrounds, new music, new triggers (for example something complex as 'trigger activates if you destroy enemies A B and C in a certain order' might be something that is not possible yet). I'm sure there is plenty in the game already, but this sort of stuff is the one thing you can't have enough of.

In my opinion something like $10 or ?5 or ?7,5 would be a fair price for a small expansion pack. But I really, really prefer packs that have all sorts of stuff inside them, instead of having just one single feature that you buy at a time. A bundle works better in terms of how much you feel like you're getting.		2008-08-20 16:06:00

Author:
Linque
Posts: 607

As long as the money is going to MM...then I'll buy...
if it all goes to Sony...then not so much...		2008-08-20 16:13:00

Author:
Noonian
Posts: 523

Water I'd definitely pay $5. $10 if it were bundled with some other stuff, like new materials. YouTube and image importing, if it's possible, would be awesome. I'd probably go $5 for any of water, YT, or image importing alone, so $15 bundled would be good.2008-08-20 17:37:00

Author:
bbroman
Posts: 1374

I hope there will be EU-PSN-Cards soon, because I got no credit card

How many DLC do you think will come? I don't want to have spent at the end more than 100? on LBP		2008-08-20 17:47:00

Author:
Unknown User

How about, DLC for creators? If you got water in a DLC pack and used it on one of your maps, all non-dlc users could see the water and play in the level but not use it in their creations.

A update for everyone. DLC for those who wish to use it. Not even mandatory.

[edit: woops, just read sams post ]

As for actual DLC, I don't know yet, get back to me in November.		2008-08-20 21:51:00

Author:
docpac
Posts: 601

doc, I think they'd be going with something along the lines of that. Bring an update along with DLC so every player can play with that new content, bt only players that BUY it can create with it.

Sounds good enough to me.		2008-08-20 21:55:00

Author:
aer0blue
Posts: 1603

I'd be willing to spend lots of money on DLC. I owe it to MM and Sony for making one of the greatest games of our time. They have too make their money too, so I don't think any of it should be free. Unless it's an update, but that's different than DLC.2008-08-20 21:57:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

the only way i am going to pay 10 bucks is if its a huge pack with everything together...
call me cheap but im not dishing out 2.99-4.99 every time a new costume or material is made...		2008-08-20 22:10:00

Author:
12454522412412
Posts: 779

WATER,

YouTube integration, Machinima tools, different camera angles, custom music, an option for more players, & generally more tools such as gravity manipulation, being able to tint everything to be a certain color (having a level in black & white), ect.		2008-08-20 22:19:00

Author:
Unknown User

SamProtagonist;15186']Also worth highlighting at this stage is that we are planning to give a whole bunch of stuff away for free

Sweet! Free stuff = good stuff.		2008-08-20 22:45:00

Author:
docpac
Posts: 601

I'd be willing to spend lots of money on DLC. I owe it to MM and Sony for making one of the greatest games of our time. They have too make their money too, so I don't think any of it should be free. Unless it's an update, but that's different than DLC.
Don't jinx it!		2008-08-21 00:47:00

Author:
bbroman
Posts: 1374

I personally think water should be a free upgrade. Everything else - fair enough. that way if someone puts water in a level you want to download you can just play it instead of having to upgrade and cost money to play. Same with triggers really actually. It's only content like costumes, image importing, levels, backgrounds, items etc you should pay for. just my personal opinion.2008-08-21 01:50:00

Author:
ryryryan
Posts: 3767

A good DLC idea for several months or so after release: A great collection of vehicles, contraptions, minigames, and levels that were created by the community. If they're already on everyones HDD wouldn't that help save level creation space when creating new levels with these items much like the contraptions that come with the game?2008-08-23 12:57:00

Author:
docpac
Posts: 601

It would be cool if they did a water add on for free. The idea to group a whole bunch of new stuff is probably something MM already has in the works for DLC. I can't wait to see all the stuff they give in the blu-ray and the stuff people make with it.2008-08-23 13:32:00

Author:
Cartoonguy
Posts: 234

I know it sounds counter-productive, but I'd love to see necessary/important stuff(water, gravity manipulation, etc) be released for free, and the optional stuff (YouTube integration, new backgrounds, etc) cost money. That way everyone can get the incremental upgrades and you can still have a lot of variation in terms of costumes, level design, ect because of the optional packs.

In terms of what I'd want to pay for, I have a few ideas:



Object packs(e.g. premade vehicles, enemies, etc)
Background packs(e.g. interior of an office building, a kitchen, etc)
Costumes
New building tools(for example, if you released a "water update" for free, you could put a pack of water wheels and other items that would help you use water in your levels more effectively, which many would then go buy)		2008-08-24 00:22:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

I know it sounds counter-productive, but I'd love to see necessary/important stuff(water, gravity manipulation, etc) be released for free, and the optional stuff (YouTube integration, new backgrounds, etc) cost money. That way everyone can get the incremental upgrades and you can still have a lot of variation in terms of costumes, level design, ect because of the optional packs.

In terms of what I'd want to pay for, I have a few ideas:



Object packs(e.g. premade vehicles, enemies, etc)
Background packs(e.g. interior of an office building, a kitchen, etc)
Costumes
New building tools(for example, if you released a "water update" for free, you could put a pack of water wheels and other items that would help you use water in your levels more effectively, which many would then go buy)


Pretty much excactly what i said
Great minds think alike!		2008-08-24 03:30:00

Author:
ryryryan
Posts: 3767

how much does addons cost at ps store...usually

like under 5 bucks right?		2008-08-24 03:46:00

Author:
Creamy_cheese
Posts: 17

If you're UK... ranging from ?2 to about ?6
US about $5 i think.		2008-08-24 03:51:00

Author:
ryryryan
Posts: 3767

ya im from U.S.2008-08-24 03:51:00

Author:
Creamy_cheese
Posts: 17

Below is a huge post, I put the important bits in bold.

So far I haven't paid for extra content for any game.

LittleBigPlanet definitely is a game I'd be willing to pay extra for as long as it passes certain criteria.

1. Get you conversion rates right. At the moment:

1.00 EUR = 1.47980 USD = 0.798295 GBP

Now obviously you'll want to have it rounded up to the nearest 99 cent mark. But when the DLC is released, if it's rounded up any further compared to the other prices worldwide, I won't buy it. Maybe that's picky but I feel I shouldn't pay any more for a product in one area when the same company is selling the same product for less in another area. Especially when it's so tantalisingly close but out of reach when it won't accept the credit card from your region. It's one of the main reasons I've started importing games from Canada... I can get games that cost 75 euro on release here (Ireland) for 46 euro delivered.

2. TBH I wouldn't include anything in DLC that can be made by the user, unless it is incredibly complex and takes a long long time to make. Or if it's a HUGE collection of stuff. Instructions on some cool designs for free would be great as well . Also stickers are nice and are fun to use but I'd really prefer if a sticker download pack never hits the PSN unless it's free. Or unimaginably awesome!

3. Costumes are probably going to be a big thing. They're cool and as far as I know cannot be made by the user. I have no idea how long they take to make but it would disappoint me if it was one costume for $0.99. I mean I'm going to want to have the full game but will not spend 1 dollar for 1 costume. Also this goes back to #1 a little... I'd prefer if 1 dollar items were avoided completely as EU customer will be paying more. Sure it's only a euro but the principle behind it really annoys me. And Sony needs to make up for their awful European support IMO (Leipzig was a once off and it was in Germany anyway).

4. Concerning water, I don't understand the attraction. Sure it looks cool but maybe someone could explain what the big deal is? I also understand partly how much of a headache water would be to design for a 2.5D, customisable game... I don't fully understand how you would design for every possible scenario that you can put a fluid in. And what about heat and ice... would you have to include steam, boiling and freezing too?

5. A list of things I would pay for:

i) Water... it does have potential though I don't see what everyone is going crazy about it for. Also as long as everyone can play every single level regardless of whether or not they own everything that was used to make the level then it should be ok. Also I'd just like to see how you managed to do it first hand .

ii) Levels and boss battles that could possibly come with instructions on how they were made. You have it in the main game, why stop there . Also Stephen Fry is awesome but it wouldn't really be good business (along with a number of my concerns probably ) to ask him to VO the new ones. No worries as long as the instructions are there I'll be happy. Also levels made by other PS game makers, either original or based on their game... they'd have to come with the costumes and abilities for the part though.

iii)Costumes (how about bundle packs for $1)... they aren't THAT hard to make are they?

iv)Wind... I absolutely love gameplay that involves wind. If you ever see Kya: Dark Lineage on sale for PS2, don't hesitate, buy it. And check out that game if you're looking for inspiration on how it should be allowed to be used.

v)Changeable gravity settings... I wouldn't pay very much for this though.

vi)Paint - I'd be extremely annoyed if this wasn't already in the game... I mean why the hell not? We'd probably be able to make our own Kratos sackboy (other than the cloth and blades)... or is that the reason it's not there? I mean seriously I don't understand limitless creativity being limited by such a basic tool used for creation. Unless it interferes with the way you compress your levels... seems logical but I'd still be annoyed. I would buy it but exceedingly grudgingly... and then that grudge quickly be replaced by delight. Oh well, at least I gave it a shot.

vii)Any powers or extra abilities should probably be given away for free as they will change the gameplay and not everyone will be able to play all the levels. Things like Double-jump, projectiles (a boomerang would be awesome!) and the like. I would pay for them though I think it would be a mistake to charge.

viii) You don't really seem to have that many though they are all really cool. Maybe make a few platforming classics like a sewer background, that sort of thing... while the game is meant to be fun and happy all the time (from what I can see ) a few dark or spooky backgrounds wouldn't go astray.

I'll try to think of more .

Prices:

Water - $5 at the most.
Youtube uploading - free, I'm quite happy showing off my creations with LBP users alone.
Levels - kinda hard to put a value on but one really amazing one for $2 or a pack for $2.
Costumes - bundles for $1.
Wind - I'd pay $5 TBH but that's just me.
Gravity - free or $2 at most.
Paint - should be there already, $2 at most.
Powers - again hard to put a value on as I have no idea what they could be... double jump should be free but projectiles (like fireballs, bow & arrow, boomerang) I'd probably pay a few dollars for.
Backgrounds - a pack for $2-3.

I'd prefer if no DLC (unless it was a compilation of DLCs) exceeded the $5 mark. Don't know if that's possible or not though.		2008-08-24 04:42:00

Author:
Burrich
Posts: 1018

if the game is so customizable, can't people potentially make a copy cat of a costume that's being sold?

or is a costume un-makeable in this game?		2008-08-24 19:43:00

Author:
big93
Posts: 262

A costume would be extremely difficult to copy. I'm pretty sure the most you can do to your sackboy outside of the predetermined costumes is editing him with stickers...2008-08-24 21:07:00

Author:
bbroman
Posts: 1374

i've purchased a responsible amount of downloadable content off of PSN, and on that other console, but i try to make decisions based on what will help the titles i enjoy, and the game industry grow.

i do, frankly, expect free content as well as pay for play content. if it's content that should have been on the disc, but was axed due to time, i feel kind of entitled to it.

free: you could do a themed background that had a sponsor, thereby costing the user nothing. when christmas rolls around, a santa sackboy costume for free would be very in the spirit of the season. it's good to hear that you do not want to bisect the users with dlc, and so i think that anything physics based should be free. new rods, free. new triggers, free. etc.

but i will pay, too. for new outfits i would ideally like to pay $2 usd, though i would understand if it was more along the lines of $3. unique new backgrounds could be slightly more.

and i would pay for new objects, too, just so long as people who have not paid for the item could play my levels and the new object would show up fore them, though they could not build with it in their own levels. this does walk a fine line, though. if you take the soccer ball, map the texture of a basketball onto it, and try to charge me, i'm not going to be too impressed.

i would shovel out an embarrassing amount of money if i could get a sack dog or sack cat that could follow me through levels when i am playing, maybe bark at obtainable pieces, and could reside on my moon with me and keep me company in the control room. it's probably impossible, but it would make the game even more adorable.

all that i ask from any game designer/publisher is to be responsible with dlc.

thanks,
plebe		2008-08-25 11:10:00

Author:
plebeianprint
Posts: 2

Whoa, you'd give $2-3 for a costume? O: Crazy! Haha. Good idea on the sackpet, though...2008-08-25 21:42:00

Author:
aer0blue
Posts: 1603

Yeah, I wouldn't give that much...maybe for a costume combo, but just one is a little much.2008-08-25 22:49:00

Author:
bbroman
Posts: 1374

well, i would y 1.99 for a kratos outfit. would you not? there are people out there paying $5 for a kratos pre-order outfit, though they are getting the game elsewhere.2008-08-26 08:15:00

Author:
plebeianprint
Posts: 2

I'll buy most of the things, I can use my brother's CC, I'll pay him back directly then2008-08-26 11:10:00

Author:
OverZee
Posts: 245


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