Archive: 19 posts

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As you LBP2 and LBP1 have been attacked by spammers and LBP2 players have left. I think I know why, I think its because of the updated were Media Molecule removed the boo. So when that happened spammers started copying and people played and for some reason gave it a like. Now because of no boo the level couldn't get dislikes. Therefore the spam levels got on to the cool pages all the time. If Media Molecule brings back the Boo I almost promise you the spam levels would go away and good levels would comeback. Thanks for reading

2013-09-30 23:39:00 Author: Teatrees Posts: 59

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This wouldn't make much of a difference. There was copied and spam levels before the boo was removed not to mention the countless threads on the topic of the removal of the boo feature. In all honesty I think it should still be here but MM thought otherwise and I respect their descision. Saying there won't be anymore spam is ridiculous because most players who would have boo'd them have gone. Also before the boo was removed there was still a lot of activity with level creating which sadly has gone.

2013-09-30 23:49:00 Author: Shooter0898 Posts: 996

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As you LBP2 and LBP1 have been attacked by spammers and LBP2 players have left. I think I know why, I think its because of the updated were Media Molecule removed the boo. So when that happened spammers started copying and people played and for some reason gave it a like. Now because of no boo the level couldn't get dislikes. Therefore the spam levels got on to the cool pages all the time. If Media Molecule brings back the Boo I almost promise you the spam levels would go away and good levels would comeback. Thanks for reading True, but not ALL spam will go away. From the beginning of the LBP world to this current LBP2 state and watching it go through with copying and spamming has seriously made me sad/mad. My first creative outlet that has always been there as a memory turned into.. this. Now creating your own stuff is what most entertainment comes from (NOT THAT ITS BAD AT ALL) and not cool levels to take a break on from creating. My question for spammers and copy machines: Why would you make such a great game go bad?

2013-10-01 03:27:00 Author: Jorel41533625 Posts: 66

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I guess I have never seen what other people do with their allowed publishing slots have anything to do with what I was creating. Spam, copies, shark this, bomb that, Bieber or Britteny something, toilet McDonalds whatever. ...and as it has been done to death here, Booing was something Mm took away a long time ago. In fact there were junk levels long before that and who the heck cared what or who took over the cool pages. In fact that has been changed recently I think to Lucky Dip. I think you can still find them, but a bit removed from the main default page it once was. I haven't worried nor cared about the Cool pages or booing a level in years... It is almost like being concerned that during recess, kids are using a basketball court to play tag or army men. That is why fan sites like this exist. We are here to help you promote your serious creations, get feedback, get help and the skills to be a better creator. We have a really wonderful F4F (feedback for feedback) system that if you are proactive and use it correctly, can get you tons of feedback. We also have the glorious Community Spotlight that is a celebration of the best of the best from our members creations that have been posted in the Level Showcase. Many of these over the years have become Mm picks or Team Picks. Now... do you want to worry about what the kiddies are doing in the playground or get serious and get some feedback for your creations? I hope the OP decides to make an intro thread and then starts utilizing the Level Showcase.

2013-10-01 11:18:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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what happened to my post that I made? Why is this topic not locked? How many "Spam in LBP" threads do we need? Good gravy, this horse as been beat and beat and beat. Before you know it, P.E.T.A. will come in and demand you lock all these threads and file animal cruelty charges on LBPC for beating dead horses. I really would like to know what happened to my post I made here last night.

2013-10-01 17:15:00 Author: biorogue Posts: 8424

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They outsourced the lockmakers to China so there was no one to make the locks that they lock the threads with.

2013-10-01 18:56:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 544

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99% of players totally ignore reviews and boos. They just play whatever is on the cool pages (or now the lucky dip pages) Bringing back booing will do absolutely nothing. I don't know how many times I've dived in and see the host loading a level with the top review "HORRIBLE COPIED STUPID" easy to see right there, but they still play it anyway.

2013-10-02 02:51:00 Author: dragonboy269 Posts: 172

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99% of players totally ignore reviews and boos. They just play whatever is on the cool pages (or now the lucky dip pages) Bringing back booing will do absolutely nothing. I don't know how many times I've dived in and see the host loading a level with the top review "HORRIBLE COPIED STUPID" easy to see right there, but they still play it anyway. Yeah, which is how all the dumb copied levels get their popularity

2013-10-03 03:05:00 Author: Jorel41533625 Posts: 66

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I have said this many times... you have to realize the age range of all that play this game. The large part of the players are much much younger than most would expect and they LOVE levels that we find awful at best. Here are a couple of stories I have told many times before.. My girlfriend has a 6 year old grandson that comes to visit every so often. I often search levels for him to find whatever he is interested in.. He squeals with joy at a misshapen sponge bob at the start and a few skips and a jump to the scoreboard. All on the floor.. no decoration. Nothing... horribly bleak and not fun at all in my book. He thinks that is a great level. lol Have any of you ever watched or had the displeasure of watching Nick Jr? OMG... it is horrid. It simply scares the heck outta me. I was in a med check clinic one time and they had that on the tv. I could not believe how bad it all was. There really is no accounting for taste!

2013-10-03 03:15:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I have said this many times... you have to realize the age range of all that play this game. The large part of the players are much much younger than most would expect and they LOVE levels that we find awful at best. Here are a couple of stories I have told many times before.. My girlfriend has a 6 year old grandson that comes to visit every so often. I often search levels for him to find whatever he is interested in.. He squeals with joy at a misshapen sponge bob at the start and a few skips and a jump to the scoreboard. All on the floor.. no decoration. Nothing... horribly bleak and not fun at all in my book. He thinks that is a great level. lol Have any of you ever watched or had the displeasure of watching Nick Jr? OMG... it is horrid. It simply scares the heck outta me. I was in a med check clinic one time and they had that on the tv. I could not believe how bad it all was. There really is no accounting for taste! And THAT is what I keep forgetting. Thank you for reminding me, but people that know what they are doing still do H4H and copy levels and spam.

2013-10-03 03:19:00 Author: Jorel41533625 Posts: 66

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And THAT is what I keep forgetting. Thank you for reminding me, but people that know what they are doing still do H4H and copy levels and spam. Yeah.. but little kids also give valentine cards in class too. Not sure it means much of anything else to them.

2013-10-03 03:23:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I know that was meant as a metaphor but I didn't get it

2013-10-03 23:16:00 Author: Jorel41533625 Posts: 66

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I know that was meant as a metaphor but I didn't get it Sorry... might have been a bit out there. lol Well.. when I was in 1st - 3rd grade. Everyone gave everyone valentine cards. The teacher even had us make card pouches and decorate them for our mailboxes and hung them around the room. All the kids loved giving them and getting them. The card didn't mean much of anything other than you had a bunch of them. ..as we got older, we started picking and choosing who got them or not. ..to me, H4H is a bit like that. They just look at them as everyone giving them out freely rather than earning them for doing well in your creations. ...well, until you get older.

2013-10-03 23:56:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Sorry... might have been a bit out there. lol Well.. when I was in 1st - 3rd grade. Everyone gave everyone valentine cards. The teacher even had us make card pouches and decorate them for our mailboxes and hung them around the room. All the kids loved giving them and getting them. The card didn't mean much of anything other than you had a bunch of them. ..as we got older, we started picking and choosing who got them or not. ..to me, H4H is a bit like that. They just look at them as everyone giving them out freely rather than earning them for doing well in your creations. ...well, until you get older. OOhhh. Thanks. And yeah, I did that too haha .. but I see your point now!

2013-10-05 02:58:00 Author: Jorel41533625 Posts: 66

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Taking away the Boos has not had the slightest effect on how content is pulled for either the Cool Levels or the Lucky Dip. We still compare Plays to Yays to help pull out some relevant data for the Lucky Dip. However to say that bringing back Boos would bring back good levels is false. The fact is that the good levels have always been there, you just have to look for them... Having a Dislike option doesn't guarantee that quality content will always be surfaced. I can think of a good few online services that allow users to do this and they all still send content my way that I don't want to see. The fact of the matter is that no service can perfectly predict what kind of content that I would like to see without me using the service somewhat beforehand. This is why Cool Levels/Lucky Dip isn't the most ideal path to finding good levels for more experienced players, it's aimed more at first-time users taking their first dip into LittleBigPlanet. (The Team Picks are also there for them to some degree too, to help point them in the right direction. ) Instead a more experienced player will want to head to their Recent Activity stream and check out the levels being published or rated highly by the the users that they have previously Hearted because there's a higher probability that the users they follow will have similar tastes to themselves and will be rating content that would also be appealing to them too. And psst... Here's a secret... You don't care about the content that your followed users don't like or are otherwise indifferent to! You're only looking for the content that they actively claim that they enjoyed because that's the content you're seeking too!

2013-10-07 12:16:00 Author: StevenI Community Manager Posts: 420

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Well said Steven. Also why LBP.me is such a powerful tool to help track and queue those levels.

2013-10-07 13:21:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I personally think we should bring back the boo because lots of users mistake neutral reviews for dislikes and cause even more unnecessary drama within the LittleBigPlanet community. But let's not bring my personal life into this. The reason why the boo system didn't work in the first place was because dislikes didn't account for anything. As far as I know, Cool Levels are ranked by what has the most likes and plays at a certain time. Since most of the plays gained from spam levels are from people playing just to write negative reviews, it just causes the spam to linger on the Cool Page, which causes more people to play it just to complain, and so on. What Mm should have done in the first place was rank the Cool Levels on what new levels of the week has the highest like/dislike ratio. This would have kept good levels circulating. Or it would just lead to people unpublishing and republishing the same levels so they can stay in the spotlight. Bah. I'm too pessimistic for my own good. LBP.me and the various fansites are good databases for hidden gems, but as you can see by the current state of the Cool Levels page, the fan sites only do so well.

2013-10-12 05:46:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388

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I watch my 8yo son play community levels and have no problem understanding why the cool pages are the way they are. He doesn't care how bad they look. If it gives him a cheap thrill, he likes it and goes back to these horrible levels, simply because they claim to honor his favorite shows or games and are easy. He likes shark and bomb survivals, crappy half assed rollercoasters, badly made hide and seeks... And there are more of him playing than you or I. And majority rules. People who want the boo system to work aren't factoring this in and when you forget to do ALL the math, that is how your ideal looks good on paper but not in practice. At any rate, just about the only real fix would be to have the news updates which feature community spotlight levels from this and other fan sites turned into a titled segment on the community page. Instead of team picks, you could pick underneath it a heading called "creator community picks"... Because peoples tastes widely vary, statistical data is flawed in picking the best and can only pick the most played or hearted, etc... If the majority of players were set on finding and playing the best, the best would be up there, but it's not. The only way to get the best is to post content reviewed by people who sift through everything looking for quality.

2013-10-14 15:10:00 Author: DreadRandal Posts: 434

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I personally think we should bring back the boo because lots of users mistake neutral reviews for dislikes and cause even more unnecessary drama within the LittleBigPlanet community. But let's not bring my personal life into this. The reason why the boo system didn't work in the first place was because dislikes didn't account for anything. As far as I know, Cool Levels are ranked by what has the most likes and plays at a certain time. Since most of the plays gained from spam levels are from people playing just to write negative reviews, it just causes the spam to linger on the Cool Page, which causes more people to play it just to complain, and so on. What Mm should have done in the first place was rank the Cool Levels on what new levels of the week has the highest like/dislike ratio. This would have kept good levels circulating. Or it would just lead to people unpublishing and republishing the same levels so they can stay in the spotlight. Bah. I'm too pessimistic for my own good. LBP.me and the various fansites are good databases for hidden gems, but as you can see by the current state of the Cool Levels page, the fan sites only do so well. Well.. the boos are not coming back. ...and the thing you as well as those attempting to fix the cool pages never consider is the demographics of who all play this game. You assume fair minded talented or those appreciative of talented creators are doing most of the voting, but they are not. There are kids from 2 years all the way up to 8 that make up most of who plays this game online. That is why the cool pages are what they are. Those same kids hate serious levels because they are too hard and cannot figure out the puzzles. No matter how good they look. So you see, we have to rely on something else to find those amazing gems. A place where we appreciate the skill, creativity, talent and hard work of amazing creators. Those places are fan sites such as this. I watch my 8yo son play community levels and have no problem understanding why the cool pages are the way they are. He doesn't care how bad they look. If it gives him a cheap thrill, he likes it and goes back to these horrible levels, simply because they claim to honor his favorite shows or games and are easy. He likes shark and bomb survivals, crappy half assed rollercoasters, badly made hide and seeks... And there are more of him playing than you or I. And majority rules. People who want the boo system to work aren't factoring this in and when you forget to do ALL the math, that is how your ideal looks good on paper but not in practice. At any rate, just about the only real fix would be to have the news updates which feature community spotlight levels from this and other fan sites turned into a titled segment on the community page. Instead of team picks, you could pick underneath it a heading called "creator community picks"... Because peoples tastes widely vary, statistical data is flawed in picking the best and can only pick the most played or hearted, etc... If the majority of players were set on finding and playing the best, the best would be up there, but it's not. MUCH APPLAUSE!!! Thanks for that post. That is exactly what I try to drill into folks heads for many years now. The young kids are the ones driving the cool pages. In fact many here wouldn't really want to land there for that same reason. Kids would hate their amazing levels and never figure them out and thus not rate them well back in the day of the star system. I've told this story many times before, but my girlfriend has a grandson who has played video games for most of his life. Even when he was 3, he loved LBP and still one of his favorite games. If he sees a horribly crafted spongebob, a ton of bubbles.. a few jumps and an early scoreboard, he would love it. Thankfully he is a bit older now and his taste in levels is also growing, but still like your son as he has recently turned 7, he loves the cheap thrills and has us searching for more of the same. Now I have to say, he did have an appreciation for a few of my levels, but they are just way too hard or complicated for him to get through the challenges and puzzles. "Why you make them so hard?", was one of my favorite comments he made a few years ago. That is why I have said for many years they should not only make good tags for genre's (such as sci fi etc), suggested age ranges for levels. I also thought if you could add a filter such as suggested age range to a search like the cool levels, that the kids could have their playground and we could have ours. ...but since it isn't that way, that is why LBPC and other fansites are so important for serious creators.

2013-10-14 15:45:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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