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Just noticed there wasn't a thread for Game of Thrones. Anyone else watching it?

Just watched the latest episode and holy hell... feeling pretty vulnerable and traumatised right now...		2013-06-03 08:23:00

Author:
Burrich
Posts: 1018

Not seen the latest episode yet, but yes, it's a great series, really enjoying it. Constantly keeps you guessing about what might happen next.2013-06-03 12:03:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman
Posts: 465

Just noticed there wasn't a thread for Game of Thrones. Anyone else watching it?

Just watched the latest episode and holy hell... feeling pretty vulnerable and traumatised right now...

Yep. This is the event book readers have been so giddy about. We had been waiting for it for 3 years now.

Just wait until you see the aftermath. It'll make you even more dead inside.		2013-06-03 23:23:00

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SnipySev
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Too much cleavage for my liking, however I have been following it on tumblr The book worth reading or should I just man up and watch in on tv?2013-06-03 23:30:00

Author:
flamingemu
Posts: 1872

Too much cleavage for my liking, however I have been following it on tumblr The book worth reading or should I just man up and watch in on tv?



The books are even darker and more mature than the TV series, believe it or not. I recommend watching and reading both. They're very deep and complex, and deal with many themes. Politics, war, loss, betrayal, religion, love, sexuality, court intrigue, family, morality, honor... Besides, the acting is superb, the "f-yeah" moments are really satisfying, the shocking moments are traumatizing and the sad moments are heartbreaking.

It's one of the finest fantasy series there is.		2013-06-03 23:51:00

Author:
SnipySev
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Yep. This is the event book readers have been so giddy about. We had been waiting for it for 3 years now.

Just wait until you see the aftermath. It'll make you even more dead inside.

One the one hand, it was a great twist, though I did sense something terrible was coming throughout the whole ceremony. One the other hand, it's a bit frustrating, as they've been building up to this war, and now (presumably) it's not gonna happen, at least from the Stark's POV.

Poor Stark kids can't catch a break. All I can think is that George R.R.R.R.R.R.R. Martin was bullied by someone named Stark at school.

BTW, how do we feel with regards to discussing the most recent episode, do we need to use spoiler tags? I've used them just in case.
The US will watch the episode on Sunday, whilst most Brits will watch it on Monday.		2013-06-04 09:23:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

BTW, how do we feel with regards to discussing the most recent episode, do we need to use spoiler tags? I've used them just in case.
The US will watch the episode on Sunday, whilst most Brits will watch it on Monday.

Tag anythig book related/unaired with a warning about it being that kind of information and leave anything aired out of tags. We're only half a day behind so we should have enough sense to avoid GoT threads on a Monday.		2013-06-04 09:45:00

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Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Tag anythig book related/unaired with a warning about it being that kind of information and leave anything aired out of tags. We're only half a day behind so we should have enough sense to avoid GoT threads on a Monday.

Well yes, that may be true for some, but unfortunately there will be some members who lack sense.

BTW:

For over a year now, on another forum I've had my avatar as Robb Stark, an a user title of 'King of t' North', I'm gonna have to change that now.
It won't feel right changing to the new "King of t' North" when/if one is elected. Some have suggested I change it to Roose Bolton (since I'm from Bolton), but I don't think I can do that after last night's treachery.		2013-06-04 09:59:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Without reading the books, after the fourth episode of this season, I was ready to put my money on the team Khaleesi. But seeing how is evil propagated as a permanent value in all 3 seasons, and goodness as transient lethal sin, I'm not sure anymore.
Either way, the series is definitely one of the best drama series ever, with excellent made characters and acting. The only thing seems to me the first two seasons were slightly better than the third.		2013-06-04 10:46:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

The only thing seems to me the first two seasons were slightly better than the third.

You just wait


About book spoilers, how about we tag them with the acronym of the book it happens in and the respective season? That way, non book readers (and people who haven't yet caught up with the latest book) know which spoilers they can see. Add the number of the episode if said event has already happened in the show.

For example:

Spoiler of A Game of Thrones, the first book
A Clash of Kings, the second book
roughly the first half of A Storm of Swords, the third book
roughly the second half of A Storm of Swords, the third book
In the show, A Feast for Crows (the fourth book) will apparently have its storylines merged with A Dance With Dragons (the fifth book) since they both run kind of in parallel chronologically. So Season 5 will correspond to roughly the first half of both books.
Roughly the second half of A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons.
And so on.

Oh, and at which point should we not bother with hiding spoilers from past seasons? I think discussing events from season 1 and 2 freely is fair game by now.		2013-06-04 11:31:00

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SnipySev
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The only thing seems to me the first two seasons were slightly better than the third.

I think the problem with this season so far, it that a lot of it seems to be characters getting from A to B, with no real overall story. And with the huge amount of characters, some stories go missing for a few weeks, Jamie Lannister being the most recent character to suffer from this.


Oh, and at which point should we not bother with hiding spoilers from past seasons? I think discussing events from season 1 and 2 freely is fair game by now.

I think this thread should focus on the TV show, as that's the form most will be familiar with. I'd probably say that anything up to and including the most recent episode should be fair game. Maybe add "US Pace" to the thread title as a kind of disclaimer, so anyone entering the forum can expect spoilers if they're not up to date.

Anything in the books that is different to the show, or hasn't been aired yet should be considered as a spoiler.		2013-06-04 11:53:00

Author:
Ali_Star
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I'd probably say that anything up to and including the most recent episode should be fair game. Maybe add "US Pace" to the thread title as a kind of disclaimer, so anyone entering the forum can expect spoilers if they're not up to date.

I think that's a little bit selfish. Plenty of people watch the show, but very few of them are up to date. They should be able to discuss the stuff they've already seen without being spoiled.		2013-06-04 11:59:00

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SnipySev
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I think that's a little bit selfish. Plenty of people watch the show, but very few of them are up to date. They should be able to discuss the stuff they've already seen without being spoiled.

I don't think it's selfish. I'd imagine most people that watch the show will be more or less up to date. I know the other main TV thread on here is the Dr Who thread, how do they do it in there?

Might be worth putting it to a vote.		2013-06-04 12:07:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I don't think it's selfish. I'd imagine most people that watch the show will be more or less up to date. I know the other main TV thread on here is the Dr Who thread, how do they do it in there?

Might be worth putting it to a vote.

Then you imagine it wrong. Most people are watching it later in another countries, stream it on HBO Go, pirate it or wait for the series to come out in DVD or Blu-ray.

Would it be so hard to tag the events that happened during the current season?		2013-06-04 12:21:00

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SnipySev
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Free discussion for the previous season when the next starts, gives a year for all the international showings (I think Australia is 6 months later than everyone else) and will be a few months after the DVD release.2013-06-04 12:43:00

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Rabid-Coot
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Then you imagine it wrong. Most people are watching it later in another countries, stream it on HBO Go, pirate it or wait for the series to come out in DVD or Blu-ray.

Would it be so hard to tag the events that happened during the current season?

No, of course not, but if we're gonna have spoiler tags for anything that has aired this season, I think it gets a bit unecessary. If you're 3 months behind and pop into a thread like this and get spoilt by those who are up to date, you've only got yourself to blame IMO. As you said, people from across the globe may watch it slightly later than the original air date, but most fans of the show will watch it through whatever means they can (it is the most pirated show in the universe afterall), and watch it as soon as they can. It is the type of show that you kind of have to stay up to date with as best you can, because it is so wildly discussed in all corners of the internet.... and in real life too!

Anyway, this season is almost coming to an end, and the thread is still young. I think what we could do is keep everything up-to-date in spoiler tags for the time being, until we get to a point (probably early next season) where we're comfortable that anyone contributing to the thread is up-to-date.

I'd still suggest putting a poll up though. 		2013-06-04 12:54:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I'd still suggest putting a poll up though.

No you end up stuck with them years after they're useful.		2013-06-04 13:25:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

No you end up stuck with them years after they're useful.

Can a mod or admin not remove them?		2013-06-04 13:41:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Can a mod or admin not remove them?

They can be closed but stay at the top, the Doctor Who series 5 Poll has been stuck at the top of the thread for several years now.		2013-06-04 14:07:00

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Rabid-Coot
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Don't think for a moment that this is over. The you-know-what might be the biggest plot twist from the third book, but it's far from being the last. Actually it's the one that starts the huge s***storm that is to come. Season 4 is going to be a wild ride.

The charater I'm most anxious to meet? Oberyn Martell. I hope they make a good casting decision. It's time for Dorne to make a mark on the show.		2013-06-04 14:51:00

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SnipySev
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They can be closed but stay at the top, the Doctor Who series 5 Poll has been stuck at the top of the thread for several years now.

Hmmm, odd.


Don't think for a moment that this is over. The you-know-what might be the biggest plot twist from the third book, but it's far from being the last. Actually it's the one that starts the huge s***storm that is to come. Season 4 is going to be a wild ride.

The charater I'm most anxious to meet? Oberyn Martell. I hope they make a good casting decision. It's time for Dorne to make a mark on the show.

Well, I highly doubt that they're gonna be like "oh, you've just murdered two Starks and a pregnant lady with a rather beautiful bottom, but never mind, it's all in the past. Let's be friends."

I think, actually, this would have been the perfect cliffhanger for the season. I'm curious to see how they'll end it now (no hints please). Season 1 and 2 ended with some reveals of long teased supernatural things (dragons/White Walkers)... I wonder if they'll end with another event like that?

If we're keeping everything recent-ish in spoilers, perhaps it's best if the book readers didn't tantalise us with future events, as some may also consider this a bit spoilery, even when no actual details are given? 		2013-06-04 15:06:00

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Ali_Star
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It's really not the perfect cliffhanger. You'll understand why, but I won't say anymore.

Of course there are plenty of future events to be excited about. It'd be pretty strange if the most climatic moment was in the middle for the series.

And don't worry, unless you get outright spoiled, you won't guess what happens or when it happens. This series is the peak of unpredictability.

About a year ago, book readers had a collective laugh about this Youtube comment (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iF-GKOJfyxk/T-qEazdqtKI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/gZ-LGRcpgQ0/s1600/got_haha.png). Now you guys understand why.		2013-06-04 15:52:00

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SnipySev
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It's really not the perfect cliffhanger. You'll understand why, but I won't say anymore.


Stop teasing me, book boy!



About a year ago, book readers had a collective laugh about this Youtube comment (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iF-GKOJfyxk/T-qEazdqtKI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/gZ-LGRcpgQ0/s1600/got_haha.png). Now you guys understand why.

The best Youtube reaction is still one when youknowwho gets his youknowwhat chopped off in season 1. I won't post it here as it includes swearing an the "n word"... but you've probably seen it. 		2013-06-04 16:06:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I'd like to add that the acting has really been improving as the series progressed. Someone give Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Michelle Fairley some awards already. Darn.

My favorite newcomer has been Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell. She's just like I imagined her from the novels, with the exception of her height (she's described as really tiny in the books). Dishing out trolls to everyone, even her own family. Iwan Rheon as you-know-who has been killing it as well.

I can't help but feel a tiny bit disappointed about Tormund. Inappropriate content edited out. I guess he didn't quite... measure up.

Edit: Here's an amazing video of the showrunners talking about the event that transpired last episode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DQsl5Bz312k). Obviously, it contains spoilers.		2013-06-04 21:16:00

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SnipySev
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I'd like to add that the acting has really been improving as the series progressed. Someone give Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Michelle Fairley some awards already. Darn.

My favorite newcomer has been Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell. She's just like I imagined her from the novels, with the exception of her height (she's described as really tiny in the books). Dishing out trolls to everyone, even her own family. Iwan Rheon as you-know-who has been killing it as well.

I can't help but feel a tiny bit disappointed about Tormund.Inappropriate content edited out. I guess he didn't quite... measure up.

Yeah, I think the casting has been excellent. Ciaran Hinds has been underused so far, but other than that as you say Dianna Rigg has been excellent. Get her in a room with Tywinn Lannister for 60mins and I'd be happy! Paul Kaye has been great as well.		2013-06-04 21:35:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I want a romantic comedy with Tywin and Olenna as main characters.

Hey, I have an idea. Even though the TV series covers the world of ASOIAF as well as it possibly can, some details and connections always go unexplained. How about we book readers write follow-ups to each episode explaining these references without spoiling any future events?

For example:

The episode shows an example of guest right but doesn't explain it. Remember when Catelyn, Robb, Frey, Edmure and Blackfish ate bread and salt from a bowl? What was that all about?

It's an ancient and deeply rooted tradition in Westeros, and the most important of the sacred laws of hospitality. It dictates that once a host has shared his food with a visitor, that visitor officially becomes his guest and falls under the host's protection for the duration of his stay. The host can't harm the guest while he's under his roof. It's usually symbolized by bread and salt.

For a host to murder a guest is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable among the westerosi, and its perpetrators are considered cursed in the eyes of gods and men. The only stigmas greater than violating guest right are kingslaying and kinslaying. That's why the Red Wedding comes to be such an infamous event in Westeros even by the smallfolk and the northerners' enemies.

The tradition originated with an ancient legend of a character named the Rat Cook. No, not that one (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1RfDhdJ5Z6A/UE8C6MyA-WI/AAAAAAAAFDE/c18y8C_w40c/s320/ratatouille-remy2.jpg). Allegedly, a king once visited the Nightfort, one of the major fortifications along the Wall that is currently abandoned (coincidentally, it's the same fort Sam and Gilly are headed for). A cook whose name has been forgotten had been supposedly wronged by this king. So he murdered the king's son, baked him into a pie, and served said pie to the unwitting king, who ate it and liked it so much he asked for a second helping.

According to the tale, the gods were so disgusted by this horrific act they transformed the cook into a giant white rat, and made him unable to eat anything but his own offspring. It is said the Rat Cook still roams the Nightfort, and all rats in the castle are his descendants. The tale is one of the most known of the westerosi folklore, since it is still sung to this day even though it allegedly happened hundreds of years before Aegon's landing.		2013-06-04 22:25:00

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SnipySev
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It's based on a true story.

The Red Wedding is based on a couple real events from Scottish history. One was a case called The Black Dinner. The king of Scotland was fighting the Black Douglas clan. He reached out to make peace. He offered the young Earl of Douglas safe passage. He came to Edinburgh Castle and had a great feast. Then at the end of the feast, [the king?s men] started pounding on a single drum. They brought out a covered plate and put it in front of the Earl and revealed it was the head of a black boar ? the symbol of death. And as soon as he saw it, he knew what it meant. They dragged them out and put them to death in the courtyard. The larger instance was the Glencoe Massacre. Clan MacDonald stayed with the Campbell clan overnight and the laws of hospitality supposedly applied. But the Campbells arose and started butchering every MacDonald they could get their hands on. No matter how much I make up, there?s stuff in history that?s just as bad, or worse.		2013-06-04 23:04:00

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Rabid-Coot
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I want a romantic comedy with Tywin and Olenna as main characters.


I'd see it as more of a 'Married with Children' show, than a romcom.



Hey, I have an idea. Even though the TV series covers the world of ASOIAF as well as it possibly can, some details and connections always go unexplained. How about we book readers write follow-ups to each episode explaining these references without spoiling any future events?


Good idea.


It's based on a true story.

No matter how much I make up, there?s stuff in history that?s just as bad, or worse.

Very true indeed.		2013-06-05 09:45:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Doesn't matter what happens in GoT, it always comes back to this:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ed3359ee6c80713057d5c08571047cf8/tumblr_mnw7nziVsl1snxvduo1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/5322c837ddb349b9f3ade981c3a88da0/tumblr_mnw7nziVsl1snxvduo3_r1_400.gif		2013-06-06 01:08:00

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Rabid-Coot
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I wonder how satisfied are book readers with the series ?2013-06-06 08:07:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

Doesn't matter what happens in GoT, it always comes back to this:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ed3359ee6c80713057d5c08571047cf8/tumblr_mnw7nziVsl1snxvduo1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/5322c837ddb349b9f3ade981c3a88da0/tumblr_mnw7nziVsl1snxvduo3_r1_400.gif

Shhhhhhhhhexy.

EDIT: Regarding spoilers, the free UK paper (often found on public transport) The Metro had a full page 3 article about "that scene" on Wednesday. Needless to say, a lot of people were spoiled even though the episode aired about 36 hours ago.		2013-06-06 09:31:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I wonder how satisfied are book readers with the series ?

Very satisfied. Some things just have to be altered or cut out entirely for budget and time reasons, or because the original version doesn't translate very well into the screen. But all the important parts are there, and they're masterfully done.

Although there are so many small alterations piling up, non-book readers would feel very confused if they decided to start reading on the third book instead of the first.		2013-06-06 14:39:00

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SnipySev
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Great season finale! The ending was a little underwhelming, though.

Season 1 finale "Holy crap, dragons!"
Season 2 finale "Holy crap, white walkers!"

Compared to that, the ending of this episode wasn't nearly as exciting. I really thought they were going to show a glimpse of Stoneheart in the last seconds. It would've had that kick to it. I guess it'll have to wait until season 4.		2013-06-10 09:13:00

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SnipySev
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A really underwhelming finale. I stick by my statement that the scene at the end of the previous episode would have been a better way to end the season. This seemed more like a season premiere! Best part was Hodor "hodoring" down the well.2013-06-11 12:14:00

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Ali_Star
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I don't think so. It's a good cliffhanger when you only have to wait a week for the aftermath, but a whole year? People would go insane.2013-06-11 12:36:00

Author:
SnipySev
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Better than ending without any sort of cliffhanger. As you said, the endings of the first 2 seasons really tantalised viewers whilst the ending of this season was:

Dany getting some more followers for her army..... whoopdidoo.

I like her storyline on the whole, but I think it has stalled in the last few episodes.		2013-06-11 17:57:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

They tantalized us while still being greatly satisfying. They were "hell yeah" moments.The RW is not one of those moments. Better to end with no cliffhanger at all than an emotionally shocking one.2013-06-12 06:54:00

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SnipySev
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It's a good cliffhanger when you only have to wait a week for the aftermath, but a whole year? People would go insane.

So true.		2013-06-12 14:56:00

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goranilic
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http://24.media.tumblr.com/fa2be97efc72f6f96e3cd1f5a8b2d51a/tumblr_mo6oyvqBqg1r00l9eo1_500.gif2013-06-12 21:16:00

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Rabid-Coot
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I'm stealing that GIF! 2013-06-12 21:22:00

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Ali_Star
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http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2013/06/13/13-GoTinfographics5.o.png/a_560x0.png2013-06-14 19:02:00

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Rabid-Coot
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Refresh my memory? Why the large jump from 1 -> 8001?2013-06-14 19:25:00

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Ali_Star
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Unsullied.2013-06-14 19:31:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Ah, I actually forgot they were Eunuchs. 2013-06-14 20:07:00

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Ali_Star
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Thread necromancy, but one that must be done. I present to you Game of Thrones Medieval Land Fun-Time World:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ		2013-10-17 04:13:00

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Dapiek Absaroka
Posts: 512

I saw that the other day. Starts off a bit "meh", but kicks in after a couple of minutes. You should also watch the Walking Dead one... if you're a fan of the show or not, it's very funny. I'm hoping they do a Breaking Bad one. 2013-10-18 11:56:00

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Ali_Star
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To me, watching new episodes of this series is like putting a finger in the outlet. I know it will hurt but I'm so curious about what's gonna happen 2013-12-06 15:13:00

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Vicki89
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This is pretty much what happened.

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http://i.imgur.com/NR9K9Y3.gif

http://i.imgur.com/JV9H46U.gif

http://i.imgur.com/wH82IXh.gif

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http://i.imgur.com/sQMBb8C.gif

http://i.imgur.com/4FQczk1.gif

http://i.imgur.com/9ulstuj.gif		2013-12-14 15:34:00

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Rabid-Coot
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Here we go new season 6th of April in the US 7th of April in the UK.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY43QSx3Fk		2014-01-13 02:04:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
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The song sounds very similar to the one used in last season's trailer. Is it the the same artist?2014-01-13 11:17:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Trust me when I tell you this will be the best season yet.

Can't wait so see Oberyn's scenes. It's one of the characters whose introduction I've awaited most anxiously.		2014-01-13 17:55:00

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SnipySev
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZNaLQD60Y2014-02-17 22:33:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
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This week on Game of Thrones


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4Hpz-GI3g

Next week will be a big budget adaptation of charlie bit my finger.		2014-04-15 01:14:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
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Why is everybody choking up about this show again?2014-04-16 15:16:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

Why is everybody choking up about this show again?

Most likely because:

Another major character was killed off.		2014-04-28 20:34:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Most likely because:

Another major character was killed off.
You may have missed the point of my comment.		2014-04-28 21:15:00

Author:
FreeAim
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You may have missed the point of my comment.

Perphaps something lost in translation?		2014-04-29 10:04:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Perphaps something lost in translation?

Let me help you a bit...


Why is everybody choking up about this show again?

Hint: Referring to the said major character who, well...		2014-04-29 14:11:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

Puns should be better highlighted in future.2014-04-29 15:26:00

Author:
Ali_Star
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The only thing that would've made that last scene better, is if Tyrion gave the middle finger to each person on the jury and in the audience (except for Jamie and Oberyn of course)2014-05-13 11:40:00

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Ali_Star
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The only thing that would've made that last scene better, is if Tyrion gave the middle finger to each person on the jury and in the audience (except for Jamie and Oberyn of course)

This will have to do

http://i.imgur.com/8dFyy9Q.gif		2014-05-13 11:57:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
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I'm not even that big of a fan of this program, but dang was the ending of the last episode tense.2014-05-13 22:01:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

"And did you?"

Oberyn Martell, always asking the relevant questions.		2014-05-13 22:40:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

This season has been a bit up and down, IMO (don't know if anyone else feels the same?). Far too many storylines just treading water. Only story that seems to be going anywhere is the one at Kings Landing. Danny is doing pretty much the same thing that she's been doing the past seasons. In fact, no. She's been constantly building up to something big, then decision to delay her assault was a bit jarring. It's all a bit detached from everything else. I'd love to see her interact with the other main characters.
Night's Watch haven't been up to much either, and where the heck have the Wildlings gone? I'm curious to see what's going on at Camp Whitewalker. Are they all just sitting around, drinking tea, occasionally rescuing discarded baby boys whilst waiting for "winter to come"? And then there's Stannis and Theon. They can pretty much just cut their stories completely for the time being. And then there's The Hound and Arya. I do like their oddball relationship, but the best thing they've done all season is eat some chickens.

No spoilers, but does the book come across the same way?		2014-05-14 10:48:00

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Ali_Star
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No spoilers, but does the book come across the same way?

I'm still early on in the books but I do know the Theon stuff is added material in the show, in the books he vanishes for a while and the torture happens out of sight then Reek is introduced but because of TV you can't really have someone not in for a year or more and risk them getting tied up in other projects.		2014-05-14 11:00:00

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This season has been a bit up and down, IMO (don't know if anyone else feels the same?). Far too many storylines just treading water. Only story that seems to be going anywhere is the one at Kings Landing. Danny is doing pretty much the same thing that she's been doing the past seasons. In fact, no. She's been constantly building up to something big, then decision to delay her assault was a bit jarring. It's all a bit detached from everything else. I'd love to see her interact with the other main characters.
Night's Watch haven't been up to much either, and where the heck have the Wildlings gone? I'm curious to see what's going on at Camp Whitewalker. Are they all just sitting around, drinking tea, occasionally rescuing discarded baby boys whilst waiting for "winter to come"? And then there's Stannis and Theon. They can pretty much just cut their stories completely for the time being. And then there's The Hound and Arya. I do like their oddball relationship, but the best thing they've done all season is eat some chickens.

No spoilers, but does the book come across the same way?

I think it's probably better to rip this band-aid off quickly: unless they decide to speed up her storyline, don't expect Daenerys to do much for the foreseeable future.

About the other plot threads, just you wait. I seriously doubt you'll be disappointed in them when the season is over.		2014-05-20 07:05:00

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About the other plot threads, just you wait. I seriously doubt you'll be disappointed in them when the season is over.

I'll hold you to that. If you're wrong I'm gonna head to Belgium and hunt you down. You'll be the first name on my Arya-esq list. 		2014-05-20 09:39:00

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I'll hold you to that. If you're wrong I'm gonna head to Belgium and hunt you down. You'll be the first name on my Arya-esq list.

You might regret that, because I have good leverage. If you find me, I'll tell you all the juicy spoilers.

Not gonna happen though. This season's going to be the most awesome and eventful one yet. I guarantee it.		2014-05-20 15:55:00

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You might regret that, because I have good leverage. If you find me, I'll tell you all the juicy spoilers.



Nah, you won't notice me coming. I'm like one of those face changing assassin chaps that we haven't even seen for ages.		2014-05-21 14:58:00

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Nah, you won't notice me coming. I'm like one of those face changing assassin chaps that we haven't even seen for ages.

Or they're in every episode.		2014-05-21 15:08:00

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Nah, you won't notice me coming. I'm like one of those face changing assassin chaps that we haven't even seen for ages.

I'll hang banners with spoilers sewn onto them all around my house, like some kind of weird charm that wards off evil. And when I go out, I'll wear my spoiler t-shirt.		2014-05-22 04:32:00

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I'll hang banners with spoilers sewn onto them all around my house, like some kind of weird charm that wards off evil. And when I go out, I'll wear my spoiler t-shirt.

Then I'll hire a facechanging assassin!

An Ali_Star always pays his depts.		2014-05-22 11:14:00

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crunch2014-06-02 04:53:00

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Barry got a promotion.2014-06-02 22:18:00

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Barry got a promotion.

Roose telling him about how big the North is and how he'll rule it all one day was kind of reminiscent of The Lion King. It felt heartwarming for a moment, until I remembered that Ramsay ruling the North is definitely bad news.

The family that flays together stays together.		2014-06-03 02:52:00

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Ugh...

Really annoyed after this week's episode. What's the ducking point in getting attached to an interesting character if they're just gonna be killed by a crap one? Getting bored of Martin killing off good characters for shock value.
He really needs to balance the books. None of the bad guys are getting any really comeuppance (Joffrey's death felt hollow). I know in real life the good guys don't alway win, but in GoT the scale is tipped too far in the other direction. It's frustrating.
At the moment there's very few characters to root for. IF Tyrion gets killed, that leaves only Jamie in King's Landing.... and he's a sister raper for crying out loud!		2014-06-03 09:26:00

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He wasn't killed just for shock value. His death is going to have serious consequences. A Prince of Dorne that set out to King's Landing to get justice for his sister's murder was killed as well. You thing the Martells and the Dornish are going to be happy about that?

That was the beauty of Oberyn and Tyrion's arragement, and it wasn't really made clear in the show. Oberyn wins, he gets justice and Tyrion walks free. Oberyn loses, Dorne is alienated from the crown. Either way the Lannisters end up losing.

Oberyn got caught up in a revenge fantasy he had been nurturing for years and because of that he (excuse the pun) forgot to keep his eyes on the prize. There was no way that was going to end well for him.		2014-06-03 19:52:00

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It actually made me feel sick at the time, just that comedown from feeling elated that Oberyn knocked down the mountain, feeling nervous that he was taking too long to finish him off, to feeling complete and utter horror at his death (his lady friend's reaction was extremely haunting!!). I think Mr George RRRRRRRRRRR Martin doesn't want us to be happy . Even poor old Sansa, the punching bag of the show, is now starting to learn the ways of the game.2014-06-03 20:09:00

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Oberyn isn't that interesting a character in the books. Sure he's kinda cool, but the biggest reason readers want him to survive is because Tyrion's fate depends on it. He only becomes really awesome when he declares himself as Tyrion's champion (which happened during the trial, by the way - I was kind of disappointed it didn't happen that way in the show, because we didn't get to see the outraged look on Cersei and Tywin's faces), when he offers to take Tyrion with him to Dorne, and when he unexpectedly dominated the Mountain. Before all that, he doesn't really stand out from the dozens of characters present in the court.

We all predicted that with more screentime, the right actor and the right execution, Oberyn's awesomeness in the show could be elevated to a whole new level, and that's what happened. Props to Pedro Pascal for his memorable performance.		2014-06-03 20:49:00

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Yeah, I've seen comments from book readers saying that they weren't too bothered by Oberyn's death in the books, but he came across as very likeable in the show. The way the character was handled, and indeed Pedro's portryal gave the impression the character was building up to be a big player, for the right reasons!
Have you seen Lena Headey's instagram pic with Pedro? She posted it a while back, basically, foreshadowing Oberyn's fate. Apparently she has a few more spoilery pics on her instagram account. You might want to have a quick look and have a giggle to yourself, I'm staying well clear!		2014-06-04 09:30:00

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The series itself is full of foreshadowing too. Theon and the Greatjon warning Catelyn about Walder Frey in season 1, Locke telling Jaime to get a golden hand, Olenna Tyrell taking about deaths in weddings, and so on.

There's been a subtle one this season, about stuff that'll happen soon. But you'll only find it if you know what it is.		2014-06-04 23:47:00

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Still waiting for this series to wow me, Mr Sev.....

EDIT: I'll add a bit more info with regards to what bothered me about this episode - the lack of build up. We've known for 2 seasons that Mance's army were descending on the wall, but very little time has been devoted to the Wildlings, particularly this season. Before this episode, they've featured in what? 2 scenes? And then suddenly there's a full episode devoted to the battle. The battle is supposed to feel majorly important, but the lack of buildup to it dampens the impact it's supposed to have. I've mentioned this elsewhere, but GoT needs 12/13 episodes in a season, so it can devote more time and focus, to give storylines more weight. Even the end of last week's episode could've done with more time spent at Kings Landing before the fight. I suppose this is more of a criticism of the show, than the story behind it. Even GRRM has stated that he thinks HBO should allow more episodes, and I agree with him.		2014-06-10 09:19:00

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Still waiting for this series to wow me, Mr Sev.....

And still I guarantee you'll have to pick up your jaw from the floor when this season ends. If not, then it's really hard to impress you. Just don't risk getting spoiled. You'll regret it.

By the way, Grenn and Pyp's deaths are a show-only event. They're still alive and well in the books. GRRM had nothing to do with this.

I'm guessing the showrunners did it so even the book readers get surprised once in a while. Pyp dying certainly came out of nowhere. Didn't work very well in Grenn's case though, since he replaced the role of a smith called Donal Noye. In the books, it's him who dies defending the tunnel from a giant. When Jon told Grenn to hold the gate, it wasn't hard to guess what was going to happen.

A few words about Donal Noye: he was one-armed and defeated the giant by himself, which really makes him the guy with the biggest balls in the book series. Before joining the Watch, he used to be the blacksmith of Storm's End, and he was the one who forged Robert Baratheon's legendary hammer.

He also makes one of my favorite analogies in the series, about the Baratheon brothers. He compares Renly to copper: pretty, but lacking in toughness. Stannis is like iron: stubbornly hard an unyielding, yet also brittle... he'll break before he bends. Out of the three, Robert was the true steel.		2014-06-10 11:41:00

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I'm disappointed we haven't seen anything of Mance this season, because I like the actor, mainly due to his work on 'Rome'. Perhaps this is due to the budget, or actor's availability? Just checking his IMDB page, they've actually credited him to this week's episode.


And still I guarantee you'll have to pick up your jaw from the floor when this season ends.

Given GoT's propensity for extreme violence and gore, I hope you don't mean this literally.

I'll just add how stupid it was to have a week's break, considering the World Cup starts this week. I'm gonna have to skip the Iran vs Nigeria match to watch the finale, and hopefully finish it in time to catch Ghana vs USA. 		2014-06-10 11:58:00

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Mance is one of the characters they've completely butchered in the show, which is sad because Ciaran Hinds deserves to be put to better use. The book version of Mance Rayder is a much more colourful character. In ASOIAF he's a singer, actually - when Jon's meeting him for the first time, he's just chilling, playing the lute while singing a song to his wife and her sister. That's the original reason why Jon assumed Tormund was Mance. Tormund was the only guy in that tent that actually looked like a warrior, while Mance looked like a lowly musician.

He also tells Jon (this isn't actually a spoiler I think, since the show opted to ditch this backstory completely) that he'd actually snuck into Winterfell during that feast at the start of the series, by posing as one of the king's musicians. Just for the heck of it.

Tormund's also way cheerier in the source material. He was always telling Jon hilarious tall tales. One of them (that he slept with a she-bear by mistake once, thinking she was his wife) was actually referenced last episode, but sadly cut short by Ygritte.

The way they turned Mance and Tormund into gruff generic warriors is one of my biggest disappointments about the show. They really added some much needed colour to the freefolk storyline, and made it way sadder when Jon inevitably had to betray them.		2014-06-10 12:43:00

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Eh I just kinda skimmed this thread because I've managed to avoid being spoiled for all 4 seasons, but have you guys seen the recreation of the title sequence on LBP 2? It's awesome. I wanna recreate Oberyn VS The Mountain and the battle at Castle Black in LBP2 lol

Ah here it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzsWAAmlI0		2014-06-11 00:23:00

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I managed to make a crappy synthy version of the theme tune a while back. Haven't published it though.2014-06-11 09:17:00

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Episode 9... no no no no no no no no no NO no no2014-06-12 12:01:00

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Are you guys ready for the most epic TV episode ever?2014-06-14 17:40:00

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Okay... That didn't really live up to the hype. Turns out they decided to postpone a couple of really awesome scenes that we book readers really thought were going to happen on this episode.

I can understand HBO's reasoning. The next book isn't as exciting as A Storm of Swords, so they wanted to save some of those twists for later. And It was still a great episode by normal standards. Still, when you were expecting the stuff we were expecting, you can't help but feel a little disappointed.

I'm terribly sorry I overhyped this, Ali. I really didn't think they were going to pull this stunt. My bad.		2014-06-16 08:08:00

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I'm terribly sorry I overhyped this, Ali. I really didn't think they were going to pull this stunt. My bad.


After hearing you hype the end of the season to no end, I was left disppointed by the finale. I did catch a glimpse of an article on IGN that was probably referring to what you were excited about. In my stupity I clicked it, and maybe spoiled myself (I saw a word, then immediately closed the article). Given how excited you were, I do hope that they don't leave these scenes out.
On the whole though, it was a good episode:

- Ray Harryhausen style zombie skeletons.... pretty cool. No white walkers though.
- The Children.... wtf? A bunch of (I presume) eternal fire wielding children, living in a tree, with a (I presume) eternal old mystical guy. Very fantasy. More fantasy than anything we've seen so far, I'd argue.
- Stannis is an a*hole. But yay, Mance is back!
- Shame about The Hound, BUT for now I'm sticking by the whole thing about not seeing a character die on screen. Though Arya sure is cold hearted these days.
- Tyrion's escape was not unexpected, but again there was a lack of build up to this. Last time we saw him he was sentenced to death, then all of the sudden Jamie is releasing him (which again leads to my 12/13 episode argument).
- Death of Tywin.... yes!! Loss of Charles Dance.... no!!		2014-06-17 09:40:00

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I believe there was a casual mention in the first season, but otherwise the show has neglected to talk about the Children of the Forest. So the last episode's reveal may have been a little confusing for those who haven't read ASOIAF. But the First Men (whose history is entwined with that of the Children) have been mentioned frequently, so it won't be so difficult to add some context.

Thousands of years ago, before the First Men set foot on Westeros, the continent was populated by the ancient race that came to be known as the Children of the Forest. They are kind of like dryads or wood elves - they have an affinity with nature and magic. They worship the old gods, nameless deities of stone and earth and tree. And it was them who planted the weirwood trees (those trees with bark white as bone and leaves red as blood), and carved faces on their trunks. In their tongue, they call themselves "those who sing the song of the earth"

When the First Men arrived in Westeros a war erupted that lasted for centuries. The Children used magic and guerrilla tactics; the First Men burned down their forests and the Weirwood trees, the Children's most sacred places of worship. After two millennia of fighting, both races realized they were at risk of exterminating each other if they didn't put a stop to the hostility. So they made a pact in the Isle of Faces. The First Men got to rule over the stretches of open land, and the Children got to keep the forests that were still intact.

Then, 8000 years ago, the White Walkers arrived, triggering a winter that lasted a generation*. The event came to be known as the Long Night. Eventually the Children discovered that the White Walkers could be defeated with dragonglass (obsidian). They helped the First Men, led by a hero named Azor Ahai, drive back the Walkers. Assisted by giants and magic, Bran the Builder erected the Wall and started the Night's Watch, to keep the Walkers at bay if they ever returned. The First Men, thankful for the Children's help, adopted the worship of the old gods. But the Children started to withdraw into hiding. They retreated to the deep forests and underground caves north of the Wall and became more and more reclusive.

About two thousand years ago, when no Child of the Forest had ever been seen in living memory, the Andals invaded Westeros by sea. The First Men couldn't withstand their advanced war tactics and weapons of steel. They installed the Faith of the Seven (which is a misnomer - the Seven are actually seven different aspects of the same god). Their septons declared the cult of the old gods as heresy, and cut down all the weirwood trees in the South**. The stories about the Children were declared frivolous myths.

But the Andals never could conquer the North (it only surrendered to Aegon the Conqueror, the Targaryen who unified the Seven Kingdoms 300 years ago). In the North the worship of the old gods survived, and it's the only realm in Westeros where most people are descended from the First Men.

So that's the general history of Westeros and the Seven Kingdoms. I wish the show wouldn't omit it so much, because it's really important to know if you want to fully understand the storylines involving Bran and the Wall.

*- Old Nan, Bran's caretaker, mentioned this in Season 1.
**- In Season 3, there's a scene where you can see Sansa praying at a tree stump. Presumably it was the remains of a felled weirwood tree.		2014-06-17 11:26:00

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But....

Where did the First Men come from? Is this every explained? Somewhere other than Westeros? And what about the White Walkers? How can they just suddenly arrive? I really do hope this can be somewhat explained		2014-06-17 11:50:00

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The First Men migrated from Essos, 12.000 years ago. There used to be a very narrow stretch of land connecting Essos to the southernmost region of Westeros, called the Arm of Dorne. The First Men crossed it. Why they wanted to get out of Essos, no one knows. Since then the Arm of Dorne has sinked below the sea level, and only a chain of islands known as the Stepstones remains.

No one knows the exact origins of the White Walkers yet. But Melisandre and the priests of her cult believe they are the servants of the Great Other, the dark god that is locked in an eternal battle with R'hllor (the Lord of Light). Other people think they are somehow related to the old gods.

The only thing we know for certain is that the White Walkers herald the arrival of a long winter... or the long winter heralds the arrival of the White Walkers.

Note 1: in the books, most people call them "Others". That's where the name "the Great Other" comes from. Only the wildlings call them "White Walkers". I guess that's the name the show went with because calling them "Others" is too ambiguous. The zombies they raise are called "wights"

Note 2: I doubt that the White Walker who appeared in this season's episode 4 is the Great Other. But that scene doesn't appear in the books, so we readers don't really know who he is. We speculate that he's the Night's King, a legendary Lord Commander who betrayed the Night's Watch and joined the White Walkers.

More on the CotF: abilities such as warging and greensight (the prophetic dreaming ability that Jojen and Bran have) were common among the Children. These abilities are now present in some people with First Men blood, although they have become very rare.		2014-06-17 13:53:00

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Does seem to be a lot of interesting history to explore in GoT. Do you get to see any of these other "continents" in the books? With rumours of GoT spin-offs, there's plenty of stuff to delve into.

I can see why they decided against using the word "Others" for the WWs. An over used term in TV and movies, one of the most notable recent examples being Lost.		2014-06-17 15:12:00

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Here's (http://quartermaester.info/) a map of the known world, it'll help you get a notion of the locations.


Essos is another continent east from Westeros, across the Narrow Sea. Daenerys has been wandering around in it since Season 1, mostly in the eastern part - Vaes Dothrak, the Red Waste, Quarth, Slavers' Bay (aka Ghiscar). In the western region of Essos are the Nine Free Cities, which are independent city-states. We haven't seen much of them yet (only glimpses of Pentos in S1 and more recently Braavos), but there's more of them to come.

The easternmost known city in Essos is Asshai, the place where Melisandre came from. Beyond that are the Shadow Lands, a mountainous area we don't know much about. The dragon eggs that Illyrio gave to Daenerys - they were found in the Shadow Lands.

In the central southern region of Essos, east of the Free Cities but west of Slaver's Bay, are the ruins of Old Valyria. It's basically the ASOIAF parallel to Rome and Atlantis. Once a great empire called the Valyrian Freehold, its citizens tamed dragons and forged weapons using magic, their secrets now lost. They were the greatest civilization on the face of the earth. But about 400 years ago, a great cataclysm of unknown nature known as "the Doom" razed Valyria. Now the area is shrouded in mystery. They say the sea around it still smokes and the sky above it is still red, but we can't confirm that. No one goes near it because people believe the ruins are cursed and that anyone who lays eyes on, let alone sets foot on them, is doomed. The many explorers who ventured there and never returned* only reinforced that belief.

Three members of a surviving Valyrian house, Aegon Targaryen and his sisters Visenya and Rhaenys, traveled to Westeros 300 years ago. The Targs were an unimportant house in Valyria, but being the only people in Westeros who had dragons, they easily ascended to greatness. Aegon conquered and unified all the Seven Kingdoms except for Dorne, which was later brought into the fold thanks to a political deal, sealed by an arranged marriage between a Targaryen king and a Martell princess**. Aegon's arrival resulted in a new Westerosi calendar. (Example: the current year in the series is 300 AL = 300 years after Aegon's Landing)


But I digress. Returning to geography, there's another continent in the south: Sothoryos. Not much is known about it. except that it's covered in jungles, riddled with plagues and other lethal diseases, and teeming with strange animals such as basilisks and manticores. The people who live there are primitive and tribal. Missandei, Daenerys's current handmaiden, originated in the island of Naath, which is located near Sothoryos.

There's yet another continent to the far east of Essos, called Ulthos. Of this one we really know nothing about. It's not even mentioned in ASOIAF - it has only appeared in The Lands of Ice and Fire (the official book of maps)

I like that the far lands mentioned in the series are mysterious and awake in the reader a sense of curiosity. It reflects how medieval Europeans saw the Orient and Africa - due to ignorance and misinformation people believed they were cursed lands full of dark magic and unknown monstrosities, By not giving the reader much information about Sothoryos and the Shadow Lands, GRRM has recreated that feeling perfectly.


* One of the most recent examples is Gerion Lannister, who was Tyrion's favorite uncle (basically the only person in his family who was kind to him besides Jaime). He went to Valyria in search of Brightroar, the Lannisters' ancestral valyrian steel sword, which was lost there by one of his ancestors. He never came back.

** - That's why the Martells still get to be called Princes or Princesses even though they politically belong to the Seven Kingdoms. Part of the deal with the Targaryens was that they got to keep their cultural traditions and laws. Also including, for example, the Dornish hereditary laws: in Dorne the oldest child is the heir, even if that child is female. Man, Dorne is awesome.		2014-06-17 16:54:00

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All the text you're quoting sounds much more interesting that the stuff they actually show!2014-06-17 18:43:00

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Read the books if you have the inclination for literature. They're filled to the brim with lore like this. Although at times Martin can get lost in his own vast world. Sometimes the narrative of present events slows down almost to a halt so he can talk about the backstory of this family or that city.

And so many food descriptions. So many. Once, Tyrion vomits and GRRM takes it as an opportunity to describe what he had for breakfast... And the funny thing is, he still manages to make it sould delicious.


Tyrion’s breakfast came boiling back up. He found himself on his knees retching bacon and sausage and applecakes, and that double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers.

And the show tones down quite a few of the more fantasy-ish elements. For example, for the whole of the second book there's a huge red comet streaking across the sky, no one knows why exactly. Everyone has different opinions - the people around Daenerys think it heralds the reappearance of dragons and magic in the world, Melisandre says it's a sign from the Lord of Light, etc.		2014-06-17 19:00:00

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For the final time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMVIRj2oI9Q		2014-06-27 23:34:00

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So, aside from Hardhome, how bad was season5?? 2015-07-28 10:59:00

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Shameful.2015-07-28 11:34:00

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Season 5 was pretty bad in comparison to other seasons. Can't believe what they did to my beloved Mannis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOJpBvprRhg		2015-07-29 01:02:00

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I have mixed feelings about S5 too. Not only because they're changing quite a few storylines for the worse, they're also overtaking the books. Now whenever something unexpected happens I don't know if something equivalent to it will happen in the next books, or if it's the showrunners diverging from GRRM's vision. And I have no idea if I want them to follow GRRM's plan faithfully or if I want them to make more changes. For one I don't want the show, a diluted adaptation, to spoil the books. But I also don't want the show to have a complete thematical shift a la Fullmetal Alchemist 2003.

If GRRM had kept writing instead of screwing around so much with tours and frivolous events and companion books and Wild Cards, this wouldn't have happened.

What I hated the most was how they butchered Dorne and Jaime's storyline. They turned the Sand Snakes into a joke. They cut out Arianne and her plan to make Myrcella Queen, which was actually credible and interesting (Dornish inheritance laws don't care about gender, so as the eldest sibling Myrcella has a right to the throne in their view). Replaced it with an incredibly crappy revenge attempt... From Ellaria, no less. She apparently forgot Oberyn's ideals. And to think that in the books, she speaks against taking petty revenge because it wouldn't bring Oberyn back.

Way to murder Jaime's character development. In the books he goes to the Riverlands to extinguish the last remnants of conflict. He learns to solve things not through fighting, but trough diplomacy. He redefines his image of himself. He learns to distance himself from his toxic relationship with Cersei and burns a letter from her begging him to come back. But hey, the stupid idiot viewers wouldn't find that introspection thing interesting, sooooo... instead let's have Jaime and his whacky friend Bronn sneak into Dorne and rescue the princess so he can get to bang Cersei again!

And then there's Sansa. Hey let's keep the part from the books where Littlefinger begins teaching her how to wield power so she won't be helpless ever again, and then drop that whole arc and force her into a situation where she's completely helpless and powerless again. Brilliant.

Sigh. They turned parts of this show into something that's not even fit for a B movie. And the thing that was supposed to appear in the last season's finale still hasn't appeared. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they cut it from the show. The hell have they been smoking to screw this up this bad?

Hardhome and the modifications to Tyrion's story, now that's the kind of change I want to see. And at least they aren't cutting out Oldtown. I guess that's the silver lining.		2015-08-03 00:26:00

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What I hated the most was how they butchered Dorne and Jaime's storyline. They turned the Sand Snakes into a joke.


There were 2 good things about the Sand Snakes storyline.



Hardhome and the modifications to Tyrion's story, now that's the kind of change I want to see. And at least they aren't cutting out Oldtown. I guess that's the silver lining.

Tyrion's story was awful IMO. Having him spend most of the time travelling across the land, via an unecessary diversion, to get to Dany, only for her to p**** off pretty much as soon as he gets there. Dany + Tyrion had potential. Tyrion sat twiddling his thumbs with Jorah and that other bloke, does not!		2015-08-03 10:28:00

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Tyrion's story was awful IMO. Having him spend most of the time travelling across the land, via an unecessary diversion, to get to Dany, only for her to p**** off pretty much as soon as he gets there. Dany + Tyrion had potential. Tyrion sat twiddling his thumbs with Jorah and that other bloke, does not!

Trust me, it's a lot better than what he does in the books. In A Dance With Dragons he travels through Essos to go meet Daenerys (although with different characters which apparently have been cut from the show) while doing nothing but drink and whine about his bad luck. He still gets kidnapped by J-Bear in Volantis, but they don't really escape the slavers in time to meet Dany. They are forced to perform in that big pit reopening but she gets spirited away by Drogon before she can notice them.

Then, when everything's in chaos,they finally manage to escape the slaver and enlist with the Second Sons for protection. They're still in a tricky situation though - Tyrion has to promise the leader of the Sons a ton of gold and lands from house Lannister so he won't take him back to Cersei for the reward. So he's basically stuck with the mercenary company for the time being.

Tyrion's arc in the fifth book is frustratingly slow and goes pretty much nowhere. In the show he at least got to meet with Daenerys, let her know that he's on her side. That "oh look those two characters are about to cross paths... psych! They miss each other just barely" was starting to get tiresome.		2015-08-03 15:32:00

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SnipySev
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So..... anybody else on here still watching this when it returns? 2016-04-22 14:02:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Oh yes! I nearly can't wait any longer! Here in Germany we will be able to watch it not before 27th I think. I confess that I'm a real fan of this TV show!

I'm afraid..."Winter is coming!"

Many greetings, Jürgen^^		2016-04-22 14:19:00

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CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

Oh yes! I nearly can't wait any longer! Here in Germany we will be able to watch it not before 27th I think.

Well, you'll probably have to stay off the internet for a few days so you don't get spoiled. 		2016-04-22 15:33:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

EDIT: Sorry, double post - please delete.2016-04-22 15:34:00

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Ali_Star
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Hahaha, if thats the only way to avoid to get spoiled, then I even would consider this! 2016-04-22 18:10:00

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CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

Death to all spoilers, I say.
Looking forward to what happens when when Sam meets Arya, especially with the book divergence. and some potential badassery from Dany who has nothing to rely upon.
And is stannis really dead? 		2016-04-22 21:27:00

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jimydog000
Posts: 813

Hahaha, thats dangerous! I just can't resist to open a spoiler if its called Spoiler - test!! 2016-04-22 22:56:00

Author:
CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

There are too many plotlines and locations in this show, they need to bring some of them together and make it more focused. Look at Better Call Saul - one of the best shows on TV at the moment. There's essentially only 2 plotlines, and the show really benefits from it. In GoT, you're bouncing from one location to the next, every ten minutes, and major story developments lack impact.2016-04-26 10:03:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

They said they want 2 more seasons and just 13 episodes http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-end-date-season-8-1201752746/ so we must be approaching a point where the fragmented story starts pulling together for a conclusion.2016-04-27 12:12:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

There are too many plotlines and locations in this show, they need to bring some of them together and make it more focused. Look at Better Call Saul - one of the best shows on TV at the moment. There's essentially only 2 plotlines, and the show really benefits from it. In GoT, you're bouncing from one location to the next, every ten minutes, and major story developments lack impact.
Ha Ha yeah, I count 6 - 9 POVs right now. Dissagre about locations though, drop Dorne and there are only 4 locations... plus Arya.



They said they want 2 more seasons and just 13 episodes http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game...-8-1201752746/ so we must be approaching a point where the fragmented story starts pulling together for a conclusion.
Two seasons, two books + some leftover from CoK. Nice.		2016-04-27 20:21:00

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jimydog000
Posts: 813

Ha Ha yeah, I count 6 - 9 POVs right now. Dissagre about locations though, drop Dorne and there are only 4 locations... plus Arya.


Well there's:

Tyrion
Dany
Lannisters
Nights Watch
Bran
Bronn (?)
Boltons
Sansa/Theon
Arya
Littlefinger
(Probably more)

..... all in different places. That's more than 4 locations. 		2016-04-28 12:50:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Well there's:

Tyrion
Dany
Lannisters
Nights Watch
Bran
Bronn (?)
Boltons
Sansa/Theon
Arya
Littlefinger
(Probably more)

..... all in different places. That's more than 4 locations.

I presume that Tormund and the Wildlings might become a viewpoint soon too.

Greyjoys are joining the frey.		2016-04-28 23:39:00

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butter-kicker
Posts: 1061

I presume that Tormund and the Wildlings might become a viewpoint soon too.

Greyjoys are joining the frey.

Will Walder Frey also join the frey?		2016-04-29 09:46:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Will Curious sack join the fre- Okay, I'll go now. 2016-05-02 07:44:00

Author:
Sir monacle
Posts: 4155

On the next Game of Thrones.

http://i.imgur.com/jttxzvR.jpg		2016-05-02 22:39:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

On the next Game of Thrones.

http://i.imgur.com/jttxzvR.jpg

Is that a joke? 		2016-05-02 23:41:00

Author:
jimydog000
Posts: 813

Omg! I love this TV show! ...should I be worried about myself??? 2016-05-03 07:46:00

Author:
CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

Is that a joke?

Yes about a certain scene from this weeks episode.		2016-05-03 08:58:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Show is too reliant on shock factor these days. All smoke and mirrors to convince fans that it's well written.2016-05-03 10:20:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Taking bets on a flu pandemic or something killing off the dothraki army by the end of the season. Dany should be due another setback by then.2016-05-17 13:43:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Seems a good bet.

Also, the Starks had a bit of a "win" in this episode, so they must be due some more tragedy soon....		2016-05-17 14:02:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I would love to watch a full pantomime version of the series.2016-05-23 22:40:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

This season is definitely an improvement on the last. Hopefully it all pays off, ie they don't overhype the finale and give us a bullplop cliffhanger.2016-05-31 12:00:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

These last two episodes were really really good...2016-06-27 13:01:00

Author:
jimydog000
Posts: 813

I can only agree with you, I'm an absolute fan of this TV show and thats though I normally don't watch TV shows! 2016-06-27 13:51:00

Author:
CuriousSack
Posts: 3981

Seems everyone on the internet is in love with the finale. Me, less so. The Kings Landing plot is one of my least favourite on the show, and although it was more exciting than usual this week, I wasn't too happy that over a third of the episode was focused on it.2016-06-28 10:20:00

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Ali_Star
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