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Indie in da haus! We all enjoyed Spider-man, right? And that other movie, X-Men, that was cool, right? And, eh, that other one.. Iron-man! Oh, and Batman! Batman's always been cool, yeah? What about iron-man 2? Or iron-man 3? And what about Captain America? And the soon-to-be sequel. All the sequels and prequels. And the Spider-man sequels. And the prequels. Re-boots. Oh, and Superman. Hulk. Wolverine spin-offs. and the spin-off sequels. And most probably prequels. Daredevil. Ant-man. And their sequels and prequels. And maybe a prequel to the sequel. The Green Lantern! *shudder* ENOUGH ALREADY! I didn't bother going to see iron-man 3. Or 2. I saw Iron-man 1. it was good, I liked it. Why aren't I going to see the follow-ups? Because I am sick and tired of these mother-bleeping sequels in our mother-bleeping cinemas. The 'Dark Knight' trilogy was good, I liked it. So did the studios. I must say, the only reason for this influx in comic-book movies is that the audience love them. Why else would they spend millions on going to see the latest superhero in spandex? The Dark Knight trilogy is actually one of my favorite watches, but I am fed-up of all these CGI cityscapes and bulging spandex. Yes, I'm looking at you, 'Man of Steel'. http://precombobulated.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/henry-cavill-superman-man-of-steel-set-photos-01.jpg Didn't you enjoy a time when the latest film was a true, original film shot on film? Some of my favorite film-news sites are now riddled with rumors and sneaky shots of whats happening in the 'Comic-book universe'... WHAT?! I don't want to be a part of some engulfing globular 'universe', I want to be a part of a story about people that preferably don't fire electricity out of their butts. Anyone with me? ... no? Alrighty then.. I guess I'll go see Iron-man 3. Cheers, Bud.

2013-05-02 10:48:00 Author: indiebud Posts: 80

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The audiences love the Dark Knight trilogy and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and the companies make tons of money making them. Everybody wins. So why are you complaining? Superhero movies simply became a genre. Sure, there are some bad apples, but every genre has those. No one swears off action movies entirely just because not every one of them can be an Inception. No one abstains from all sci-fi movies because not all of them are as good as Aliens. If you are fed up with this type of movie, just stop watching it for a while. Go watch a comedy, or a serious thriller or drama. No need to act like a hipster.

2013-05-02 12:09:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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The audiences love the Dark Knight trilogy and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and the companies make tons of money making them. Everybody wins. So why are you complaining? Superhero movies simply became a genre. Sure, there are some bad apples, but every genre has those. No one swears off action movies entirely just because not every one of them can be an Inception. No one abstains from all sci-fi movies because not all of them are as good as Aliens. If you are fed up with this type of movie, just stop watching it for a while. Go watch a comedy, or a serious thriller or drama. No need to act like a hipster. I have to agree. And I love these types of movies, and they do great (most of the time).

2013-05-02 13:44:00 Author: amoney1999 Posts: 1202

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Good points, I agree! Everyone has different tastes in genres and some people judge a genre by it's bad movies. I do, however, have very strong opinions on the changing evolution of cinema and film. Through my research (I'm doing an essay on whether traditional celluloid film is being overtaken by modern digital film) I seem to find that the most common digital films are comic-book adaptations, but that's not to say that they're bad, I just think that they're changing cinema in a way that is going to bring about a evolution in films. Maybe it's just me, maybe I don't like change. We'll see. Cheers, Bud.

2013-05-03 16:55:00 Author: indiebud Posts: 80

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But if things look better and more engaging when shot with use of CGI, what is the problem? I like comic-book movies in general, because they don't try to win an Oscar, which in my opinion has RUINED many movies that would've been good without extremely deep goals. Yes, that worked in some cases (like the masterful movie "King's Speech," which in my opinion is one of the rare 10/10 movies out there), but not in most cases. That's why I like these movies: they are entertaining as hell, often have a good message and fascinating story. That's what I like about movies, but I suppose you see the comic book movies in a different light, then. Also, are you referring to all comic book movies, or just those made of superheroes? Because Dredd 3D that came out last year is possibly one of the best action-movies I have seen. Ever. If the problem is with superhero movies... Then I can relate in a way, but if it's about comic book movies in general, I can't.

2013-05-03 19:30:00 Author: FreeAim Posts: 2462

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No. Why should they stop making the movies I like (movies that are completely different from one another?) just because you don't like them? I mean, you already don't see them. WHY DO YOU WANT NO ONE ELSE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM? Also, what else do you expect Marvel Studios to make? What other movies CAN they make? O_o Also... I must say, the only reason for this influx in comic-book movies is that the audience love them. WOAH. You're saying the reason a company is giving a product is because the audience likes that product? Mind = blown

2013-05-03 19:34:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Aside from making fantastic creatures and massive explosions CGI is a great wat to augment a real location or even replicate one if it is more practical than filming there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4GkA6rIPDc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQLjZSX7xM

2013-05-03 20:14:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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WHY DO YOU WANT NO ONE ELSE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM? I don't think I said I didn't want anyone else to be able to see them, everyone has their own tastes, why on earth would I want other people to stop watching what they like to watch? I'm just sharing my (seemingly controversial) opinion and asking for other's opinions, just debating man WOAH. You're saying the reason a company is giving a product is because the audience likes that product? I'm afraid this is my point exactly. It seems that the film culture and the art of film-making is being lost within this convoluted idea of a business model. Real film-makers make money in order to make more films. The studios want profits. They do not provide art, they provide efficiency: what can make the most amount of money the quickest. The point in making films itself is being lost here. Of course, if people enjoy the films, they should be made, as I said everyone has their own tastes. But it is paving a new road for films. I suggest you do a quick google of the film "Brazil". It will provide a little bit more insight into the Film-maker vs Studio. (like the masterful movie "King's Speech") Now THAT film is art! If the problem is with superhero movies... Then I can relate in a way, but if it's about comic book movies in general, I can't. Yes! I think it's just superhero movies. I think Comic Books can be considered art. I have seen some illustrations which blew my mind, and the dialogue is very sharp. There is definitely an element of art there, a want to tell a story, with maximum creative ability. As It turns out I came across this video today and I seriously suggest you watch it. The whole thing, please! It really is a great speech, relating exactly to this debate. http://vimeo.com/65060864 Thanks for being a part of this debate guys, it's fun getting to know everyone's opinions

2013-05-04 01:29:00 Author: indiebud Posts: 80

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Now THAT film is art! Then go watch that. People talking, much better than "people shooting fire out of their butts". What do you want Marvel Studios to do? Not make comic book movies? You say that these are just for profit with no "Art" behind them. Most art is done for profit. Hell, Michelangelo hated painting and only did the Sistine Chapel for a hefty paycheck, and that's considered one of art's greats. Who are you to say that the newer movies aren't labors of love? Do you think Joss Whedon only made the Avengers to make a paycheck? Or did he actually love the concept and put his heart int it? Hell, a lot of those "Artsy" films are just retreading the same tired cliches that Hollywood loves because they refuse to acknowledge anything with a bit of fantasy thrown in. I'd much rather watch something with heart like the Avengers than one of those "Artsy" films made only to win a Grammy. But go watch those. I'm not going to sit here and try to deny you the right to watch those movies >_>

2013-05-04 02:32:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Even the Kings speech has its share of CGI http://vimeo.com/27765945

2013-05-04 07:49:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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@Rabid-Coot Yeah, but I don't think that's what he means in general. I think he means that the problem is that some movies replace about 80% of things that could have used practical effects with CGI, which is stupid if a little less expensive. @RockSauron I usually like your posts on these forums in general, but here you appear to be offended by indiebud's opinions (with this I mean your both posts here). Sure, he could have expressed his opinions a bit better, but at least he is not hating on any person or group of people in general (though he is expressing his opinion kind of roughly), as you appear to do here. Should I take that as "tough love" sort of thing or as a bunch of insults towards indiebud? I really can't tell, but if you're trying to directly offend him, then why? Do you work in Marvel-studios or something, or why do you not like him expressing what he feels is wrong with movies these days? PS: On the record, I don't really agree with him myself, but I can see where he is coming from and what he means.

2013-05-04 08:32:00 Author: FreeAim Posts: 2462

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@Rabid-Coot Yeah, but I don't think that's what he means in general. I think he means that the problem is that some movies replace about 80% of things that could have used practical effects with CGI, which is stupid if a little less expensive. Yeah, exactly right. I think CGI is a wonder when worked into the film to help immerse the audience, such as in The King's Speech and in the other examples you showed above. CGI has progressed the whole industry immensely! I'm a big fan! But when used in order to 'cut-costs' (I understand not everyone can afford practical effects) I just find it distasteful that's all. We've all seen those flashy films. @RockSauron I usually like your posts on these forums in general, but here you appear to be offended by indiebud's opinions (with this I mean your both posts here). Sure, he could have expressed his opinions a bit better, but at least he is not hating on any person or group of people in general (though he is expressing his opinion kind of roughly), as you appear to do here. Should I take that as "tough love" sort of thing or as a bunch of insults towards indiebud? I really can't tell, but if you're trying to directly offend him, then why? Do you work in Marvel-studios or something, or why do you not like him expressing what he feels is wrong with movies these days? PS: On the record, I don't really agree with him myself, but I can see where he is coming from and what he means. This is what I was trying to get across. I understand I may be a little bit exaggerated and a little bit forward with my opinions, but I try to respect everyone else's opinion. To be perfectly honest, It's not like I have an extreme hate toward superhero or comic book movies (although I tend to write with an exaggerated persuasiveness about them) I'm just not the biggest fan. For instance, I'm a big fan of James Bond. Not everyone enjoys James Bond. That's just the way it is! Thanks FreeAim for clearing that up I'm so bad at putting across my opinion, I need other people to clear it up for me! haha! Then go watch that. People talking, much better than "people shooting fire out of their butts". What do you want Marvel Studios to do? Not make comic book movies? You say that these are just for profit with no "Art" behind them. Most art is done for profit. Hell, Michelangelo hated painting and only did the Sistine Chapel for a hefty paycheck, and that's considered one of art's greats. Who are you to say that the newer movies aren't labors of love? Do you think Joss Whedon only made the Avengers to make a paycheck? Or did he actually love the concept and put his heart int it? Hell, a lot of those "Artsy" films are just retreading the same tired cliches that Hollywood loves because they refuse to acknowledge anything with a bit of fantasy thrown in. I'd much rather watch something with heart like the Avengers than one of those "Artsy" films made only to win a Grammy. But go watch those. I'm not going to sit here and try to deny you the right to watch those movies >_> Hey man, I would never deny anyone the right to watch whatever the hell they wanted to! I don't think I'm too good at expressing sarcasm or exaggeration, because that's exactly what I was trying to do. I certainly didn't mean to say that people shouldn't watch them or that they don't have the right to, and I'm sorry if that came across. I agree with you to a degree here though. Some art is made for profit and some (most) blockbusters are made with the heart of the whole production team. They're attempting something new, they're breaking new ground! Some people find that exciting, I am just not a fan of their work, I think it's creating a divide between Movies and Cinema, sorry man! I seriously think you should watch the video on 'The State of Cinema' (http://vimeo.com/65060864 (http://vimeo.com/65060864)) because it epitomizes this whole discussion. " art is simply inevitable. It was on the wall of a cave in France 30,000 years ago, and it’s because we are a species that’s driven by narrative. Art is storytelling, and we need to tell stories to pass along ideas and information, and to try and make sense out of all this chaos. And sometimes when you get a really good artist and a compelling story, you can almost achieve that thing that’s impossible which is entering the consciousness of another human being – literally seeing the world the way they see it. Then, if you have a really good piece of art and a really good artist, you are altered in some way, and so the experience is transformative and in the minute you’re experiencing that piece of art, you’re not alone." Is there a difference between Cinema and Movies? "The simplest way that I can describe it is that a movie is something you see, and cinema is something that’s made. It has nothing to do with the captured medium, it doesn’t have anything to do with where the screen is, if it’s in your bedroom, your iPad, it doesn’t even really have to be a movie. It could be a commercial, it could be something on YouTube. Cinema is a specificity of vision. It’s an approach in which everything matters. It’s the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or a fingerprint. It isn’t made by a committee, and it isn’t made by a company, and it isn’t made by the audience. It means that if this filmmaker didn’t do it, it either wouldn’t exist at all, or it wouldn’t exist in anything like this form." The man's a genius. Cheers, Bud.

2013-05-04 12:39:00 Author: indiebud Posts: 80

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I can't grow to like the characters in some comic book movies, like Watchmen for example. People express their great admiration for the films and I just don't see where the praise is coming from. Part of the problem could be that when someone tries to make a character or characters too bada** for their own good, they become obnoxious and irritating. But that's just my opinion, and I'm only correct 96% of the time.

2013-05-04 14:13:00 Author: Ironface Posts: 432

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I don't think it's cinema that you have a problem with, it's the audience. The film industry will keep feeding us the same stuff until we get bored and move on, superheroes and comic-book adaptions seem to be very 'in' at the moment. So naturally the men in the suits invest more in the flashy films that you talk about rather than the more serious, thought provoking cinema (that's a very loose term and not completely correct but just go with it for now) There are still classic examples of CGI superhero movies which work really well as a more 'artsy' film. A great example of this is Watchmen, which in my opinion was actually less of a superhero movie and more of a thought-provoking and intelligent film, but it was still marketed as a superhero flick. TDK was a, slightly lesser, example of this because a lot of that was about the message each movie tried to convey, which they all did well in my opinion. So in other words, the films you want to see more are still there but just hidden behind a mask and some butt-kicking action nowadays.

2013-05-04 14:13:00 Author: craigmond Posts: 2426

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I don't think it's cinema that you have a problem with, it's the audience. The film industry will keep feeding us the same stuff until we get bored and move on, superheroes and comic-book adaptions seem to be very 'in' at the moment. So naturally the men in the suits invest more in the flashy films that you talk about rather than the more serious, thought provoking cinema (that's a very loose term and not completely correct but just go with it for now) There are still classic examples of CGI superhero movies which work really well as a more 'artsy' film. A great example of this is Watchmen, which in my opinion was actually less of a superhero movie and more of a thought-provoking and intelligent film, but it was still marketed as a superhero flick. TDK was a, slightly lesser, example of this because a lot of that was about the message each movie tried to convey, which they all did well in my opinion. So in other words, the films you want to see more are still there but just hidden behind a mask and some butt-kicking action nowadays. My god. He's cracked it! Craigmond, I think you've led me to an epiphany. It is the audience that is changing, it's the modern world, things are moving faster, quicker and so the studios have to re-focus their efforts. It's a matter of trends and profitability. Thanks Craigmond, your version makes more sense, you have a knack for just getting things, y'know? Good stuff! I guess I will need to do a little bit more soul-searching in comic-book films, maybe give them a chance. For now, I'm not entirely convinced. I reckon one day someone will take the step to merge the thought-provoking cinema world and this 'comic-book universe' (to follow up from the Watchmen) and will hopefully bridge the gap between the two. It'd be fun to see. Cheers, Bud.

2013-05-04 18:01:00 Author: indiebud Posts: 80

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