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This is the Xbox One topic. I'm sure you can find all sorts of neat articles about it on the internet.

2013-04-24 18:52:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

http://www.abload.de/img/kinectcqlc7.gif

2013-04-24 19:34:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

http://www.abload.de/img/kinectcqlc7.gif

I fully expect this to be the case.

2013-04-24 19:49:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

I'm pretty sure this will be an utter train wreck, but hopefully it will be an entertaining train wreck.

2013-04-24 22:26:00

Author:
bonner123

Posts: 1487

lol, xbox.

I wonder if Microsoft are going to go all metro with this. The last version of the xbox dashboard I saw looked like a pretty ugly XMB ripoff so at least if they go metro it'll be a bit more original. And I don't get what the big deal about kinect is, the PS2 had it 10 years ago.

/sony fanboy

2013-04-24 22:50:00

Author:
ARD

Posts: 4291

The Kinect is hated on because it very simply doesn't work most of the time. The prospect of having an always on Kinect is also not appealing in the slightest.

2013-04-24 23:06:00

Author:
bonner123

Posts: 1487

I'm not going to buy this. I'm just gonna stick with PS4 and Wii U. Also, I bet that Microsoft will barely change it, since the Xbox 360 wasn't that much different from the Xbox. All they really added were more social option and more console power.

2013-04-24 23:59:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

I'm sure it will be pretty hilarious.

http://cdn.dottech.org/media/2013/04/ballmer_angry.gif

Should be interesting to see which of the crazy rumours end up being true.

2013-04-25 15:45:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

Some Tech blogger's inside scoop:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/25/next-xbox-functionality-pricing-reportedly-outed

2013-04-26 00:12:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Some Tech blogger's inside scoop:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/25/next-xbox-functionality-pricing-reportedly-outed

?Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console: a standalone version for $499 and a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.?

I doubt the 2 year commitment will be only $40 more than the $499 version/cheaper than a $499 version + 2 years of whatever a normal Live sub costs.

2013-04-26 00:54:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

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2013-04-27 00:09:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

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Oh dear. Wii Unlimited and Xbox Infinity? Talk about high and mighty, Mr. Console developers.

2013-04-27 02:35:00

Author:
Dragonvarsity

Posts: 5208

I'm sure the Xbox reveal won't be that bad, I expect Ps4 to dominate next gen though...

2013-04-27 13:36:00

Author:
RakasaPlus

Posts: 136

I'm sure the Xbox reveal won't be that bad, I expect Ps4 to dominate next gen though...

Agreed.

2013-04-27 19:59:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

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If this is real... well... its going to sound a bit stupid when the hardware gets outdated again and it can barely do anything =p

also, they have made it pretty difficult if they want to make another one after it... how are they going to name and advertise it?

"Xbox - infinite-er"

at least Sony just needs to slap a 5 onto their next console to name it XD

Needless to say I'll be sticking to Sony, I've shouted at their products much less and they have always done me well.

I'm sure this'll make some people happy though.

2013-04-27 20:36:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

If this is real... well... its going to sound a bit stupid when the hardware gets outdated again and it can barely do anything =p

also, they have made it pretty difficult if they want to make another one after it... how are they going to name and advertise it?

"Xbox - infinite-er"

at least Sony just needs to slap a 5 onto their next console to name it XD

Needless to say I'll be sticking to Sony, I've shouted at their products much less and they have always done me well.

I'm sure this'll make some people happy though.

And probably most of those people are kids who play COD online when they have free time.

2013-04-27 22:11:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

Im an ALL Console guy, im also a halo fan (dont rage at me!

) im getting it. but always online and a use games block suck. so i might play ps4 more next generation.
And probably most of those people are kids who play COD online when they have free time. idk. I dont take cod too seriously... The only decent cods in my opinion are black ops 1 and black ops 2 was ok. also, there are rumors that the next xbox will just be called xbox. So if it fails, they are going to make the original xbox (an amazing console, i loved playing blinx the time sweeper on it) look bad...

2013-04-27 22:47:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

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LOL infinite entertainment

2013-05-04 23:22:00

Author:
Nugahugachaka

Posts: 80

Gentlemen!

The Xbox 3 is the Xbox...

One...

Huh...

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-revealed/

2013-05-21 18:34:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

PS4 is looking even better right now!

I've also been seeing reports that Sony's stock went up 10% in the last hour... good job Microsoft

2013-05-21 19:14:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/

Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.
Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.
"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/).
The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.
The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."
It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."
Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.
The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games.

2013-05-21 19:44:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

The Xbox event was was hilariously bad. it was about just as bad as many were predicting. Twitter was having a ball with making fun of the whole event.

imo I'd say it's almost safe to say Sony & Nintendo are the winners of this gen... Well Nintendo will do ok once they actually start releasing more of their games later this year for the Wii U. *mew

2013-05-21 19:51:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

Well, Sony's stock price went up during and after the reveal (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SNE&ql=1), which says a lot.

It was really underwhelming. The majority of it was about TV, ESPN, doing two things at the same time (like watching a movie and opening a side bar with a bing search through voice command) and the new Kinect. Not even kinect games: just new navigation functions. While impressive, they have nothing to do with games.

Then finally they call EA to reveal the first Xbox One games, aaaaand... they show us annual sports games like Fifa 14 and Madden 14. Not even demos, just tiny snippets of gameplay intercut with footage of famous sports players doing marketing. Saying that it was anticlimatic is an understatement.

The only thing the EA presentation had going for the Xbox was the exclusivity of the Ultimate Team mode in FIFA 14. That might convince the sheep that buy the same game every year avid FIFA fans to get an Xbox One.

Then it got a little better. They showed Forza 5, which looked pretty good. They announced a live action Halo TV series that is being made with the collaboration of Steven frigging Spielberg, which is pretty much the best announcement of the whole conference. And they showed a live-action/CGI trailer for Quantum Break, a new game by Remedy. It looks intriguing. Too bad they didn't show gameplay of the most interesting game of the reveal.

Then came the most hilarious part of the show. An Activision guy shows some Call of Duty: Ghosts footage that still looks worse than Crysis 2 on medium, and uses terms like "innovative", "revolutionary" and "never seen before" to describe it. They revealed some groundbreaking new gameplay features such as (drumroll)... Leaning out of cover, sliding, and vaulting over chest-high walls. Other FPS series like Crysis, Far Cry, Killzone and Brink totally didn't come up with those things years ago.

Then they showed underwater gameplay and, I kid you not, he proudly bragged about the AI of the fish, noting how they swam away when the player approached. This is truly the future of gaming.

Even more hilarious was when he described Modern Warfare 3 as "state of the art for the year when it came out", and proceeded to prove how better the new engine is by showing us arm hair, nail dirt, and scars on a dog's snout. Oh, Activision, you so silly.

There weren't any demos at all, and the trailers were few and short. It's a huge contrast to Sony's reveal, where they focused mainly on the games and developer-friendly hardware. After all this hype, it's a huge disappointment. Let's hope they have something more substantial saved up for E3.

On a more positive note, that controller is the most beautiful I've ever seen. They finally got rid of the crappy D-pad and the ugly bulge where the batteries used to go. If only the analog sticks were levelled...

2013-05-21 21:32:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

Then came the most hilarious part of the show. An Activision guy shows some Call of Duty: Ghosts footage [...] and uses terms like "innovative", "revolutionary" and "never seen before" to describe it. Then they showed underwater gameplay and, I kid you not, he praised the AI of the fish, noting how they swam away when the player approached.

Does anyone remember the fishing game in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.... Pretty sure the fish swam away from the player back then too...

2013-05-21 21:47:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Yeah, I'm hearing loads of bad stuff from this new Xbox. The name itself is confusing, although the focus on EA, sports, motion control and other forms of entertainment besides videogames isn't a huge surprise, given last year's not-so-great-either E3 press conference for MS. Sony might not have given all the wanted details on PS4 games/the actual console, but it certainly sounds better than what the Xbox "One" reveal has turned out to be.

Never was big on the Xbox, but looks like PS4 and the Wii U (once it gets more games like Mario Kart, Pikmin 3, and X) will be where I'll be flocking towards next generation.

2013-05-21 21:56:00

Author:
Dragonvarsity

Posts: 5208

Artificially intelligent fish!

NEXT GEN IS FINALLY HERE!

2013-05-21 22:12:00

Author:
VenemoX

Posts: 197

I've never understood the appeal of xboxes, and this one seems even more ridiculous. I always used to say that Microsoft should stick to PCs but even that's going a bit wrong these days.
The console is seriously ugly and looks like some ancient VCR/DVD box. The controller is horrible, again. The name is totally absurd. All this TV and kinect controlled stuff is stupid, this is supposed to be a games console. Have Microsoft finally decided to stop copying everyone elses' ideas and come up with their own stuff? Because it hasn't worked.
The PS4, on the other hand, already looks more interesting, even from the blurry pictures we've seen. It's not just a plain box, anyway. The controller looks pretty perfect. The name is sensible. And the focus is on gaming, and the social aspects of it. Not watching TV or whatever. If I'm playing a game and decide I want to watch TV instead, I'll turn the console off. Without having to talk to it.
I honestly think the PS4 will blow the Xbox 1/3/720 out of the water. Maybe this will be enough to convince Microsoft to forget about gaming and focus on getting Windows back on track.

2013-05-21 23:36:00

Author:
ARD

Posts: 4291

The Xbox One IMHO looks horrible. The console looks like an old record player, the controller looks like it's barely been changed, and the name is so stupid. No can-do Microsoft. PS4 and Wii U are what I'll stick with this gen.

2013-05-21 23:48:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

And here's the bombshell:
Kotaku: If I’m playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?
Harrison: I believe it’s 24 hours.
Kotaku: I’d have to connect online once every day.
Harrison: Correct.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109

2013-05-21 23:58:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109

Welp, I now hope this bombs spectacularly.

2013-05-22 00:09:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Welp, I now hope this bombs spectacularly.

I'm gonna laugh when a bunch of Xbox fans ditch Xbox for PS4 (and maybe get a Vita).

2013-05-22 00:18:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

I'm gonna laugh when a bunch of Xbox fans ditch Xbox for PS4 (and maybe get a Vita).

Well, when the current gen began, a lot of PS2 owners switched to the 360. Maybe now Sony will get its userbase back. Microsoft seems to have fallen victim to the third console curse, like Sony and Nintendo before it.

Gotta applaud Sony for pulling itself together after all the screwups.

2013-05-22 00:49:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

Well, when the current gen began, a lot of PS2 owners switched to the 360. Maybe now Sony will get its userbase back. Microsoft seems to have fallen victim to the third console curse, like Sony and Nintendo before it.

Gotta applaud Sony for pulling itself together after all the screwups.

I have noticed that. Just about everyone I knew that had a PS2 switched to Xbox 360 once it came out. Now, because of how stupid the Xbox One is, I bet so many people will return to Playstation.

2013-05-22 01:24:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

It'll be fun to watch Sony launch skyward while M$ crashes and burns, Nintendo will be sitting comfortably as usual.
My money is on X1 being the next Dreamcast.

2013-05-22 05:23:00

Author:
JamesDNaux

Posts: 757

Here's the whole conference in a nutshell:

http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

2013-05-22 05:28:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

I used to play alot of original xbox, and now it's like xbox one is making fun of the original xbox... I had so many childhood memories with the original xbox and MS is slamming it cuzz it can't watch tv

also, used game blocked confirmed.... No comment. Not getting this. Glad Bungie is on playstations side now. I agree with amoney. PS4 and Wii U win this generation.

2013-05-22 05:49:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

Here's the whole conference in a nutshell:

I'm sure I heard a Stevie in the TV section and a few sporks in the sport section. Also Americans really need to start pronouncing it due tee not doo dee.

2013-05-22 08:04:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

AH WHAT??? that thing is trying to appeal to a broader audience by cutting off all non americans?
-neededing to go online once every 24 hours will often be very hard here,
-I have only three remotes (one of which is for ps3 anyways) so I don't care that I can switch with one controler. this is normal where I live
-I'm not a scitzofrenic so I don't need to constantly switch what entertainment I'm using. If I want to play games I'll do that, if I want to watch t.v. I'll turn off the console and watch t.v.
-why do I need a t.v. service on something plugged into my t.v.?????
-the thing which sells games consoles is the games. I already have everything in that box, a t.v. which can play dvds and a ps3 for blu-rays.did I miss something or are they trying to fix a problem that doesn't exsist.
-what's a cable box? why do I need to plug it in?
-no where but america has an audience for NFL or (especially) Madden, partnerships with these companies benefits no international buyers at all, which wouldn't be so bad if these partnerships didn't appear to be what microsoft considers to be the big selling point.
-the box looks like a supoer nintendo only black. If it needs that many cooling fans already why would you make it black?

yeah I won't be getting that, and highly doubt it's success anywhere outside of america.

2013-05-22 09:13:00

Author:
Smudge228

Posts: 533

And I thought PS4 revelation failed a bit... But at least it was funny.

XBOX One...

Microsoft, you eff'd it up.

2013-05-22 09:30:00

Author:
FreeAim

Posts: 2462

-what's a cable box? why do I need to plug it in?

Think freeview/sky/virgin etc boxes.

2013-05-22 09:53:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

"Xbox, call 911! There's a burglar in my house!"
Command error - Skype can not be used for emergency calls.
"Xbox, help!"
Command error
/System crashes

2013-05-22 11:57:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

2013-05-22 12:04:00

Author:
Smudge228

Posts: 533

2013-05-22 12:13:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2hepCGIGU
couldn't find the whole scene but the jist is that jack (alec baldwen) creates a voice controlled t.v. which then procedes to controle itself, with lines like "first I'm goint to go home and delete my hole DVR" and "we found a high volume of cocaine"
I'm genuinly wondering if there's going to be any similar issues here, can the machine detect differences between what people are actually saying and what the t.v. is? what if whilst using the skype feature one person trolls the other by yelling out xbox off?

Apparently that was happening with people watching the live stream on their xboxes. When "Xbox live" was mentioned, their Kinect would hear that, stop the stream and launch the Live account stuff.
Silly Microsoft.

Edit: Sniped, but with the link.

I'm surprised they didn't call it the Microsoft Entertainment System (MES). It looks like a NES, is designed for a broader entertainment and is a mess.

2013-05-22 12:16:00

Author:
Jedi_1993

Posts: 1518

AHAHAHA the sweet irony is delicious.
the conference on the amazing intergration of xbox actively shuts down it's watchers xboxes.
the comments are all of people who plan to troll online by yelling commands to disconnect the other players, this thing better announce voice recognition soon or it won't matter if it ends up being 10x better than ps4, it'll simply be unusable. After the conference Microsoft have some serious PR to be doing to clean up these issues...

2013-05-22 12:47:00

Author:
Smudge228

Posts: 533

Yep, if you are non-american the first two thirds of the presentation will mean nothing to you. Your fault for not living in the land of the free, you filthy second-class consumer!

2013-05-22 12:49:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

Expectation: People will shorten Xbox One to "The One" like they shortened Xbox 360 to "The 360"

Current reality: XBone

2013-05-22 13:42:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Oh boy, even more court cases only this time with HTC and their new smartphone "HTC ONE" against... cough* "Xbox One" cough*. :I

2013-05-22 14:22:00

Author:
Momoli1344

Posts: 54

Oh boy, even more court cases only this time with HTC and their new smartphone "HTC ONE" against... cough* "Xbox One" cough*. :I

Not for something as standard as One that is only part of the name.

2013-05-22 14:29:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

What are the dimensions of One's case? It looks pretty big but it's hard to tell from photos.

2013-05-22 14:45:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

XboxOne hates Indie developers.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/indie-devs-must-seek-a-publisher-to-release-games-on-xbox-one/0115978

2013-05-22 14:54:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

http://youtu.be/KOxdMQhDMIU

Here's the video of the PS4 announcement (http://youtu.be/0rJDn0jRnUQ), in case you missed it.

2013-05-22 16:01:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

Here's the video of the PS4 announcement (http://youtu.be/0rJDn0jRnUQ), in case you missed it.

That mockery of the ps4 reveal was better than the actual Xbox one show... =p

In regards to those that had their consoles turned off during the live stream thanks to Kinect... what is to stop someone rage quitting a game shouting "Xbox off" and turning off everyone's console through the voice chat =p

2013-05-22 16:29:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

That mockery of the ps4 reveal was better than the actual Xbox one show... =p

In regards to those that had their consoles turned off during the live stream thanks to Kinect... what is to stop someone rage quitting a game shouting "Xbox off" and turning off everyone's console through the voice chat =p

O-o

Woah.

2013-05-22 16:34:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Ahaha, and that's only one of many things that could go wrong with this.
Picking up a cup of tea or some food in front of the television, could easily be misinterpreted for example while you watch a film.
And will it understand everyone's accents? I guarantee it won't. And it gives kids so many more chances to troll each other. Run into your siblings rome and shout "Xbox off," while they're in the middle of playing..
Some people love these sort of gimmicks and fair play to them, but they're really not for me.

2013-05-22 18:32:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

Didn't they release the slim version of the first Playstation console and the "PS One"?

Ahaha, and that's only one of many things that could go wrong with this.
Picking up a cup of tea or some food in front of the television, could easily be misinterpreted for example while you watch a film.
And will it understand everyone's accents? I guarantee it won't. And it gives kids so many more chances to troll each other. Run into your siblings rome and shout "Xbox off," while they're in the middle of playing..
Some people love these sort of gimmicks and fair play to them, but they're really not for me.

I guess it could record you responses to the certain actions (Xbox off etc) and match your voice commands against that.

2013-05-22 18:54:00

Author:
Ali_Star

Posts: 4085

I know where my savings are going for, PS4.

2013-05-22 19:46:00

Author:
Momoli1344

Posts: 54

I am gonna give IW credit, there game doesn't look like a complete failure like MW3. I'll pick it up,ON WII U!!!!! Or PS4... Need to think about it........ Just not xbox... They tryed to impress and they failed... And Stephen spielburgs halo movie or whatever will fail, just like every other attempt.

2013-05-22 20:32:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

I guess it could record you responses to the certain actions (Xbox off etc) and match your voice commands against that.

Assuming the system is capable of that, I wouldn't be so sure it would be smart enough do that automatically.
My colleague got a smart TV and says it doesn't understand what he says, and he's not very tech savvy so has never found a way around it.
And judging by Microsoft's target demographic here, I'm thinking the same problem is likely to occur.

2013-05-22 20:41:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

I'm I right in thinking that Microsoft have effectively created a 2007 computer, with a subscription based OS?

2013-05-22 20:58:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

http://news.yahoo.com/xbox-one-faq-chat-major-nelson-larry-hryb-150903740.html PR speak, non answers and wait 18 days for E3 to see games.

2013-05-22 22:02:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Ps4 will probably be the console i go for. The xbox 360 is the console i use nearly everyday mainly because my friends are on it but the PS3 has just been dragging me back to it recently and now The PS4 is just starting to win me over. Even my brother who only uses his PS3 for DVD's and hasn't signed into PSN for almost a year will also probably get the PS4.

2013-05-22 22:11:00

Author:
Shooter0898

Posts: 996

I'm I right in thinking that Microsoft have effectively created a 2007 computer, with a subscription based OS?
Yes, oh, and its also a cable subscription too XD

2013-05-22 23:33:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

Microsoft has registered domains for Kinect One (http://whois.domaintools.com/kinectone.info) and Kinect Fitness (http://whois.domaintools.com/xboxfitness.info).
The registrations, spotted by Superannuation (https://twitter.com/supererogatory) (via Gematsu (http://gematsu.com/2013/05/microsoft-registers-xbox-fitness-kinect-one-domains)), were updated on 21st May - the day Microsoft revealed the Xbox One console.

Kinect One is, presumably, the name for the new Kinect sensor, which Microsoft says is vastly improved on the version that launched in November 2010. It comes included in the Xbox One box and is also more angular. The peripheral can now capture 1080p video at 30 frames per second. Indeed, Xbox One requires the new Kinect be connected to it to work.
As for Kinect Fitness, Microsoft has been active in the fitness category since the release of the Kinect sensor for Xbox 360, so it comes as no surprise to see it declare its intention to continue its effort. Nike+ Kinect Training, Your Shape Fitness Evolved 2012 and Zumba Fitness Rush have are just a few of the games already out for Kinect that Microsoft includes in its Fitness offering.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-23-microsoft-registers-kinect-one-and-kinect-fitness-domains

2013-05-23 09:25:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Im sorry but ive alwyas thought microsoft products where rubbish especialy affter i had so many problems , im strictly mac with parralel operating systems and sony and nintendo games now , the xbox one looks like a 90"S sony vcr with slats cut in it LOL.

2013-05-23 20:07:00

Author:
Brutal

Posts: 184

I honestly don't know...

...Is there ANY reason to get this?

I mean, always online is bad enough - but mandatory kinect? No used games? Live STILL costs money?

What the hell, MS.

2013-05-23 23:59:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

I agree with swweet. Also, they are milking halo.

2013-05-24 01:40:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

I honestly don't know...

...Is there ANY reason to get this?

I mean, always online is bad enough - but mandatory kinect? No used games? Live STILL costs money?

What the hell, MS.

According to an EA rep, the XB1 (and PS4) are "a generation ahead" of gaming PCs (http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml). Since this is EA we're talking about, it has to be true right?

Another (former) rep also added that you'll grow to love perpetual DRM. (http://www.destructoid.com/former-ea-ceo-gamers-will-learn-to-love-always-on-drm-254417.phtml) Borrowing from an early comment, just let the Stockholm Syndrome set in!

2013-05-24 03:02:00

Author:
Dapiek Absaroka

Posts: 512

According to an EA rep, the XB1 (and PS4) are "a generation ahead" of gaming PCs (http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml). Since this is EA we're talking about, it has to be true right?

Another (former) rep also added that you'll grow to love perpetual DRM. (http://www.destructoid.com/former-ea-ceo-gamers-will-learn-to-love-always-on-drm-254417.phtml) Borrowing from an early comment, just let the Stockholm Syndrome set in!

Oh freaking lul. I know for a fact that my current gaming rig is stronger then both the new consoles.

...God I hate modern gaming.

2013-05-24 03:42:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Retailers will be free to charge whatever they wish for pre-owned Xbox One games, but both Microsoft and publishers will take a percentage cut of every sale.
Retail sources have told MCV that Microsoft has this week briefed key retail partners on how it intends to take ownership of the pre-owned market.
This is how we’ve been told it will all work:
A gamer walks into a retailer and hands over the game they wish to sell. This will only be possible at retailers who have agreed to Microsoft’s T&Cs and more importantly integrated Microsoft’s cloud-based Azure pre-owned system into its own.
The game is then registered as having been traded-in on Microsoft’s system. The consumer who handed it over will subsequently see the game wiped from their account – hence the until now ambiguous claim from Phil Harrison that the Xbox One would have to ‘check in’ to Microsoft’s servers every 24 hours.
The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever price they like, although as part of the system the publisher of the title in question will automatically receive a percentage cut of the sale. As will Microsoft. The retailer will pocket the rest.
Unconfirmed reports on ConsoleDeals.co.uk (http://www.consoledeals.co.uk/blog/exclusive-xbox-one-second-hand-game-licenses-are-30-each-2201) suggest that retail’s slice will be as little as ten per cent. That’s a significant cut from what it has become accustomed to from pre-owned sales and more in line with what they would receive from the sale of a new game – hence, the value of the pre-owned market to the retailer is effectively destroyed.
These same unconfirmed reports also suggest that the activation cost for consumers buying or borrowing pre-owned software will be ?35.
When contacted by MCV Microsoft responded with the following statement: “We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed.
"While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail. Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”
UPDATE: Many readers are asking whether the ?35 will be additional cost on top of the price of buying the game. No, we believe that the ?35 figure – which is not our number, incidentally – would cover the entire transaction. If correct this would leave retail with a cut per sale of around ?3.50.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales-at-retail/0116137

2013-05-24 12:26:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

So, pseudo-always-online and pseudo-used game passes?

2013-05-24 13:15:00

Author:
gdn001

Posts: 5891

So, pseudo-always-online and pseudo-used game passes?

For a pseudo-gaming machine?

2013-05-24 13:21:00

Author:
Ali_Star

Posts: 4085

? wha? ?35 is almost the same price as a new disk. infact, many new games quickly go on sale for less than that within a few weeks. will this price continue late into the games life cycle? like, if this was in effect on current gen ps3 would I be expected to pay ?35 for lbp1 pre-owned? These buisness decisions just get worse and worse...

2013-05-24 14:26:00

Author:
Smudge228

Posts: 533

It's not just the Xbox fans that should be very worried about all these negative features that are being announced. Playstation supporters should be too, because many specifics of the PS4 are still unspecified or left ambiguous. If the people at Sony decide to follow MS' example we are all screwed.

And don't think for a moment Sony isn't considering its options. This is exactly how this kind of crap becomes normal. A company finds a new way of milking consumers; the gamers let it slide because they reckon it's an isolated case. Then other companies start doing the same.

Sony overplayed its hand the last time it became overconfident, so who's to say it won't happen again? Sony has rarely learnt from its mistakes, and its streak of awesomeness in the last years is starting to seem too good to be true. Let's just hope it sees all the support the PS4 is getting and the Xbox One is losing, and that their decision-makers understand why that is happening.

Why am I saying this? Because I have been seeing a lot of fanatics on the internet who are happy with Microsoft's stupid mistakes. Whatever platform you prefer, this isn't reason to celebrate. Competition is always good for the consumer. It leads to better services, more diverse lineups, higher quality games, consoles' prices getting lower sooner. Good competition is one of the things that drive the industry forward.

And I doubt most gamers want to live in a world where the only reasonably honest console is the Wii U.

2013-05-24 15:12:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

I really only care that neither are backwards compatible, it's only an inconvenience really but having to replace the console with an older one, switch cables, etc. it's a slippery slope, soon we'll be serving the machines.

2013-05-24 15:43:00

Author:
Ironface

Posts: 432

Expectation: People will shorten Xbox One to "The One" like they shortened Xbox 360 to "The 360"

Current reality: XBone

Current Reality: XCrashandburnhorribly

2013-05-24 16:06:00

Author:
Protoraptor

Posts: 960

It's not just the Xbox fans that should be very worried about all these negative features that are being announced. Playstation supporters should be too, because many specifics of the PS4 are still unspecified or left ambiguous. If the people at Sony decide to follow MS' example we are all screwed.

And don't think for a moment Sony isn't considering its options. This is exactly how this kind of crap becomes normal. A company finds a new way of milking consumers; the gamers let it slide because they reckon it's an isolated case. Then other companies start doing the same.

Sony overplayed its hand the last time it became overconfident, so who's to say it won't happen again? Sony has rarely learnt from its mistakes, and its streak of awesomeness in the last years is starting to seem too good to be true. Let's just hope it sees all the support the PS4 is getting and the Xbox One is losing, and that their decision-makers understand why that is happening.
We know very little about the PS4, really. It will no doubt share many of the same anti-consumer features of the One.

I can't wait for the fallout from E3 in a couple of weeks.

2013-05-24 16:46:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

2013-05-24 20:22:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

"One box to rule them all - One box to find them. One box to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."

http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45620&d=1369436407

2013-05-25 00:01:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

"One box to rule them all - One box to find them. One box to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."

http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45620&d=1369436407

Lol I can't wait to see stuff like this once the Xbox One comes out. Also, on used games, it's now rumored that there isn't a fee, but some sort of authentication check:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/24/report-xbox-one-used-games-will-not-require-a-fee-will-require-authentication-checks.aspx

2013-05-25 04:37:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

"One box to rule them all - One box to find them. One box to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."

http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45620&d=1369436407

;o

:kz:

2013-05-26 02:37:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

http://i.imgur.com/MdoDgSW.jpg

"Xbox, play this used game"
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."

2013-05-26 03:49:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

I request a full GLADoS voice pack for Kinect if they want me to buy that thing.

I won't anyways. I already have a TV to watch TV

2013-05-26 15:58:00

Author:
Patofan

Posts: 1185

So apparently Microsoft didn't even register the domain name "XboxOne.com/net" before revealing it...

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/26/microsoft-files-complaint-to-acquire-xbox-one-websites

but yet they registered several others including "XboxFusion" and "Xbox8"

I hope the current owner either keeps them or gets lots of money... good job Microsoft... again...

2013-05-27 00:47:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Does anyone remember the fishing game in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.... Pretty sure the fish swam away from the player back then too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYso30L9zI&feature=player_embedded

Same thing with Mario 64. LOL.

2013-05-27 03:59:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYso30L9zI&feature=player_embedded

Same thing with Mario 64. LOL.

Lol. Activision, you're a little late to the party.

2013-05-27 05:05:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

If its always on ps4 i will sign out for good and go back to my snes and n64 , i refuse to support a system that wont support cheap used games and the ability to go offline .

2013-05-27 13:35:00

Author:
Brutal

Posts: 184

Summary of everything on PS4 preowned since the reveal http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=566025

plus a mention from last year http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117253-Pachter-Sonys-Jack-Tretton-Totally-Opposed-to-Blocking-Used-Games
To summarise then the decision is up to the publisher. It sounds like they're sticking with online passes where you have to register and pay a fee if you bought it used.

2013-05-27 13:56:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

People at my school are still saying

"BEST CONSOLE EVEARRR" "OMG U GETTING XBOXONE"? "YAH DUDE COD GHOSTS IS INSANE"

Me:

Well at least my fishies love me when I swim near them <3

2013-05-27 15:28:00

Author:
DominationMags

Posts: 1840

Well at least my fishies love me when I swim near them
http://media.gtanet.com/gallery/gta-5-screenshots/V-83-1280.jpg

2013-05-27 20:00:00

Author:
gdn001

Posts: 5891

Fun fact: Kinect is always watching. Always listening.
You cannot turn Kinect off. 1984 anyone?

Also, what if film companies decide that they charge per viewer of their films? Since you can't turn Kinect off?

This terrifies me.

2013-05-27 20:08:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

tbh new consoles just look like a step forward on abusing the consumer, and it will be justified by blaming piracy like always (and yet piracy will find a way around, it always does)

also, the new xbox looks like my old VCR .____.

2013-05-27 20:10:00

Author:
Ragnarok

Posts: 898

You'll never play while being naked again..

2013-05-27 20:21:00

Author:
ConverseFox

Posts: 2333

You'll never play while being naked again..

Well... let's not go crazy here. Not going to change my whole lifestyle.

2013-05-27 20:30:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

Also, what if film companies decide that they charge per viewer of their films? Since you can't turn Kinect off?

What if there was already multiple alternate devices and formats to get films on?

2013-05-27 20:41:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Well... let's not go crazy here. Not going to change my whole lifestyle.

You'll never play while being naked again..

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-zBmWNnQ/0/950x10000/i-zBmWNnQ-950x10000.jpg

2013-05-27 20:42:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

What if there was already multiple alternate devices and formats to get films on?

You do realise we're talking about the Xbox - effectively a remote control- One.

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-zBmWNnQ/0/950x10000/i-zBmWNnQ-950x10000.jpg

This cartoon made my week.

2013-05-27 20:43:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

Best way to play Xbox One with a Kinect without watching you: Put duct tape over the camera part.

2013-05-27 20:47:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

Best way to play Xbox One with a Kinect without watching you: Put duct tape over the camera part.
"No players detected. Please make yourself visible to Kinect? to continue playing."

2013-05-27 20:54:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

Best way to play Xbox One with a Kinect without watching you: Put duct tape over the camera part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IilRz7XteFY

Who can't imagine their xbox one saying "MY VISION IS NOT IMPAIRED"?

2013-05-27 20:55:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

Funny, even the halo development team hate xbox one. The next halo is for PC XD

2013-05-28 20:49:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

Who can't imagine their xbox one saying "MY VISION IS NOT IMPAIRED"?

This works too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fz1QAds9Wo&feature=player_detailpage#t=15s

2013-05-28 21:28:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

http://25.media.tumblr.com/c1db6d35d4965391a34ec7e46aa0c91b/tumblr_mntngtlYn31qa5c1eo1_1280.jpg
Looks like a new Fable, a new Banjo-Kazooie, 2 new halos, and 2 other games that I can't seem to make-up were leaked.
Really, not that excited for anyone of them except Quantum Break. They keep cash-milking halo, haven't played that much fable, don't like realistic racing games, and after how much crap Rare is recently, I don't think the new Banjo-Kazooie would be that good.

2013-06-03 19:17:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

2013-06-03 21:50:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

2013-06-03 22:05:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

I really wish Grunty-land didn't mean it was a bunch of Kinect minigames, but it probably is.

Why.

2013-06-03 23:03:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Why.

Because everyone from the Rare you love left.

2013-06-03 23:22:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

I really wish Grunty-land didn't mean it was a bunch of Kinect minigames, but it probably is.

Why.

Because Rare is desperate to lose their fanbase.

2013-06-03 23:34:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

I really wish Grunty-land didn't mean it was a bunch of Kinect minigames, but it probably is.

Why.

To be honest, I thought Rare's next game was gonna be Kinect Sports NFL

2013-06-04 00:17:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

Because Rare is desperate to lose their fanbase.

Because everyone from the Rare you love left.

Yet another reason I hate Microsoft.

2013-06-04 00:37:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

2013-06-04 01:07:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

Banjo-Kazooie huh?... I've actually been interested in the series. Shame they only make it for Xbox nowadays... There's seriously not enough good animal people games lately... I just don't like human characters often tbh. *mew

I... honestly would not get excited over Banjo-Kazooie if I were you.

Just emulate the N64 games. PM me and I can give you a link.

2013-06-04 01:09:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Banjo-Kazooie huh?... I've actually been interested in the series. Shame they only make it for Xbox nowadays... There's seriously not enough good animal people games lately... I just don't like human characters often tbh. *mew

Nuts and Bolts is really bad. It's extremely rare to find a good Rare title nowadayseventhoughIsortalikevivapinatakinda

2013-06-04 01:12:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

I... honestly would not get excited over Banjo-Kazooie if I were you.

Just emulate the N64 games. PM me and I can give you a link.

Nuts and Bolts is really bad. It's extremely rare to find a good Rare title nowadayseventhoughIsortalikevivapinatakinda

While I have not played any of them yet. I'm aware that the last 1 was bad. But there's a small chance the new 1 could be good. Not that I will get a xbox for it. hell no. And the XboxOne looks like the devil's personal game console to me. Hohoo~ *mew

2013-06-04 01:29:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

2013-06-04 04:17:00

Author:
JamesDNaux

Posts: 757

The last one wasn't bad it was just a bad Banjo game, it's still fun in it's own merit, albeit it hasn't much replay value. They pretty much slapped Banjo-Kazooie on it to sucker old fans into buying it.

I'll concede this... I think this 4chan screencap is on my Ubuntu boot, but there was an ex-rareware employee that explained how nuts and bolts came to be.

By no means was it a bad game... it was just a bad banjo game.

2013-06-04 04:33:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Nuts and Bolts is really bad. It's extremely rare to find a good Rare title nowadays

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37220614.jpg

2013-06-04 08:45:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

Gruntyland? Seriously? RARE, I thought Nuts N Bolts was already quite bad, don't make it even worse.

What's next? Kinectnimals: Banjo-Kazooie edition?

2013-06-04 14:58:00

Author:
Patofan

Posts: 1185

Aparently that image is a fake.

2013-06-04 15:29:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Aparently that image is a fake.

Probably, but the games featured are probably coming out... or at least something similar

2013-06-04 15:31:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

2013-06-06 05:35:00

Author:
DominationMags

Posts: 1840

All the Xbox's are confusing.

"I have the Xbox One!'
"Oh me too!"
"Wait are the Xbox1 or the Xbox One?"
"The first one?"
"So the Xbox One?!"
"No the Xbox1!'
"So the Original Xbox?!"
"The Xbox1!"
"So you have the XBox One?"

,_,
Don't worry, the internet came up with a solution
Xbox One's nickname is the Xbone
dogs love it

2013-06-06 05:51:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

All the Xbox's are confusing.

"I have the Xbox One!'
"Oh me too!"
"Wait are the Xbox1 or the Xbox One?"
"The first one?"
"So the Xbox One?!"
"No the Xbox1!'
"So the Original Xbox?!"
"The Xbox1!"
"So you have the XBox One?"

,_,
Or we could call the first Xbox the Xbox Zero and the other Xbox One. So the conversation would go like this:
"Which Xboxes do you have?"
"I have the Xbox Zero AND the Xbox One."
"So, the Xbox Zero."

2013-06-06 13:52:00

Author:
gdn001

Posts: 5891

Don't worry, the internet came up with a solution
Xbox One's nickname is the Xbone
dogs love it

I hear the ladies love it too

2013-06-06 15:23:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

With our modern architecture, Xbox One games will load more quickly, will be always accessible from the cloud, and there is no physical limit to the size or scope of the content provided.

Here are our platform policies and capabilities for game licensing – all of which will be made available when Xbox One launches later this year:

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.
Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing,you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.
Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.
Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.

In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.

We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

2013-06-06 23:09:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends.

Implies this is turned off by default... sounds like they are just doing damage control on the bad publicity without actually changing anything.

2013-06-06 23:33:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Well, on Kotaku, I read the following things:

1. There WILL be a once per 24 hours online check to play videogames. Not for DVDs or live TV.
2. Trade Ins WILL be allowed, but ONLY if the Publisher allows it, and only at select retailors
3. You can give games to ONE friend, and no more

2013-06-06 23:55:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

http://youtu.be/sWcKtJj5_oY

2013-06-06 23:57:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

To be honest, I'm fine with this. None of my family members (except my brother) own an Xbox, so adding up to 10 people to share my game's library sounds absolutely amazing and I already know of 10+ people that would be more than happy to add me as a "family member" so I can play their games as well.

And being able to give a disc-based game to one friend? That sounds awesome, even if it's just one friend. I can see a whole trading system coming together - You give me X and I'll give you Y.

Also being able to access my game library on another Xbox One? I've had this problem with the Xbox 360 for years now, I go to my friends house very frequently and most of the time I go there from school/work, so I don't have the games with me. So this helps tremendously.

2013-06-07 00:58:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

And being able to give a disc-based game to one friend? That sounds awesome, even if it's just one friend. I can see a whole trading system coming together - You give me X and I'll give you Y.

Do you know what is even better?

...being able to give a disc based game to whoever you want without any restrictions... you know... the current system.

There really is no excuse for allowing Microsoft to do this... why fix what isn't broken and why let them take away even more freedom from gamers?

2013-06-07 01:50:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

It's pretty impressive that Microsoft's managed to go from the best-selling console in recent years to basically committing suicide with all their boneheaded decisions regarding the One. This thing's going to tank hard, and I have to say at this point, they probably deserve it.

Still excited for PS4 on the other hand

2013-06-07 07:25:00

Author:
Behonkiss

Posts: 229

^That

I was gonna show even more funny stuff I've found but seems somebody deleted my last post. I've no idea what the problem was since I clean up the Quote. So guess I'll just forget about it ftm. *mew

2013-06-07 08:00:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

2013-06-07 14:59:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

It just occured to me.. To play the new Xbox1 games you have to connect to their servers every 24 hours. So if the servers get attacked and go offline for a week, similar to what happened to PSN.. no games for anyone. That would be like a sledgehammer to the face for MS. And you know the hackers would love to see the consequences of that. It would be one of the biggest disasters in gaming history.

It WILL be the the biggest disaster in gaming history. They have painted a target on their backs, and every hacker in the whole freaking industry will go for their throats.

It's only worse, because everyone is saying that the Durango devkit is basically windows 8.1 with some api's. A WINE type program for the Xbone is imminent if this is the truth, and there is nothing that ms can do to truly prevent it without treading in some risky **** that will have waves in their windows division. They can't afford to **** off the general user anymore after Win 8.

It's a lose-lose situation, and it's very likely that the rumors that they are attempting to buy off E3 are true. It's literally all they can do. Wonder how long it's going to take for some of the gaming press to notice, and report? If ever? I'm not even ******, just annoyed as hell that they are actually trying this bs.

Anyone that is even considering buying an Xbone at this point needs to get their priorities straight.

2013-06-07 19:06:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

http://25.media.tumblr.com/3ccc4e632dcbb116a30defa80e66a71d/tumblr_mo096e2olj1su01nco1_500.jpg

2013-06-07 19:23:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

You're right of course Swweet, it does look like a very bad purchasing decision to go with this consdering all the potential problems that it has.
But something to note is a large percentage of people are creatures of habit, they prefer to stick to what they know, and if you've been on the Xbox for years, then it seems easier to stay.

Also, just as people on PS3 build up a large friends list on PSN, Xbox users do the same, so if many of them say they will stick with MS no matter what, it can be difficult to switch systems. And if fans love the Halo, Forza and Gears of War, then many of them will have to experience disaster first hand before they will consider swapping.

2013-06-07 19:29:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

It WILL be the the biggest disaster in gaming history. They have painted a target on their backs, and every hacker in the whole freaking industry will go for their throats.

It's only worse, because everyone is saying that the Durango devkit is basically windows 8.1 with some api's. A WINE type program for the Xbone is imminent if this is the truth, and there is nothing that ms can do to truly prevent it without treading in some risky **** that will have waves in their windows division. They can't afford to **** off the general user anymore after Win 8.

It's a lose-lose situation, and it's very likely that the rumors that they are attempting to buy off E3 are true. It's literally all they can do. Wonder how long it's going to take for some of the gaming press to notice, and report? If ever? I'm not even ******, just annoyed as hell that they are actually trying this bs.

Anyone that is even considering buying an Xbone at this point needs to get their priorities straight.

Wait, what are these rumors of Microsoft buying E3 off?

2013-06-07 19:35:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Wait, what are these rumors of Microsoft buying E3 off?

Paying publishers to not show off PS4 versions on the show floor or something like that.

2013-06-07 19:43:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Sounds like something Microsoft would do, I have to say.

2013-06-07 19:47:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

Do you know what is even better?

...being able to give a disc based game to whoever you want without any restrictions... you know... the current system.

There really is no excuse for allowing Microsoft to do this... why fix what isn't broken and why let them take away even more freedom from gamers?

I know I'm just stepping into a lake filled with piranhas seeing as this is an LBP fansite and almost everyone here is a Sony fanboy, but I'll bite.

You don't seem to understand what it means by friends. It's not talking about real life friends, it's talking about friends on your friends list. I have very close friends that I've never met or seen that live across the country. How do you suppose I give them my games?

If I have a real life friend that wants to play a game that I own, well I'll just add him to my list of ten people, that way he can access my entire library of games.

You guys have to understand that since consoles are going next gen and more specifically - cloud based, they have to do things like this. If it was any other way, I'd simply buy the game, download it on my Xbox, and give it to a friend. Two games for the price of one.

I'm just wondering if any of you know whether or not the PS4 will be doing anything like this, or are you just assuming so? I haven't done any research since I don't really have the time nor interest but if you know so please send the link my way.

2013-06-08 01:39:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

You don't seem to understand what it means by friends. It's not talking about real life friends, it's talking about friends on your friends list. I have very close friends that I've never met or seen that live across the country. How do you suppose I give them my games?

Which would have been my assumption if they had not specifically said that you could lend "disc based" games... the kind that you have to swap through a physical exchange...

If I have a real life friend that wants to play a game that I own, well I'll just add him to my list of ten people, that way he can access my entire library of games.

There is no way that Microsoft is going to give up 9/10 of game sales... they just won't and if they do then only developers will suffer.

this is an LBP fansite and almost everyone here is a Sony fanboy

Not doing your argument any favours here... just because people have the sense to see Microsoft's bad deal doesn't mean they should be labelled... it's not our fault that Sony seems to be putting gamers first... but it sure is an attractive prospect.

In reality we're only LBP fans.

2013-06-08 02:20:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Which would have been my assumption if they had not specifically said that you could lend "disc based" games... the kind that you have to swap through a physical exchange...

That's not what "disc-based" games means. It literally means, games that are disc based. As in, I can give someone on my friends list a copy of Bioshock Infinite, since it is a "disc based" game. I cannot however - give someone a copy of Minecraft, since it is not "disc based".

There is no way that Microsoft is going to give up 9/10 of game sales... they just won't and if they do then only developers will suffer.

No offense but this is exactly what I meant when I said "Sony fanboy". You only say Microsoft wouldn't do this because, well, it's Microsoft, and they can't possibly do something like this for their audience. I have a sneaking suspicion that if Sony had said you'd be able to share your game with 10 people you'd be singing a different tone, however.

Not doing your argument any favours here... just because people have the sense to see Microsoft's bad deal doesn't mean they should be labelled... it's not our fault that Sony seems to be putting gamers first... but it sure is an attractive prospect.

In reality we're only LBP fans.

Eh, I've been on this website since 2008 and I don't agree. There is obviously a slight bias towards Sony and their games, I've seen it since I've join this website.

Also, you say "it's not our fault that Sony seems to be putting gamers first..." but how are you so sure Sony isn't going to do this with their console? You do realize they HAVE to do something about it right? They are also using the cloud system for their console, if they don't do anything about it then I can technically buy one game for my entire neighborhood.

Just because Xbox has came out and told us what their platform policies and capabilities for game licensing is doesn't mean Sony isn't doing the same thing. I actually haven't seen much in terms of what Sony is doing at all. To be honest all Sony has been so far is talk, we haven't seen any demos, and haven't even seen the console!

Unless Sony has stated their policies, and like I asked before, I'd love to see the link.

I'm not trying to start a console war, let's be honest I'm the only one really defending Xbox. But if you think of it from a marketing standpoint, there is absolutely NO WAY Microsoft would be putting so many regulations on their console if they knew Sony was not. It would just be suicide. Either a) Microsoft knows Sony has to do something similar to them, or b) Microsoft knows in the end that these regulations are necessary for a generation going cloud based.

It might be something else, something entirely different, but I highly doubt Microsoft is dumb enough to just do something this drastic without a good reason. We aren't talking about a small indie company. But rather a huge corporation that has been in the technology game for quite some time. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I see more about the PS4 and E3.

2013-06-08 10:05:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

So on Reddit some guy made a post where he said he visited Microsoft recently, and they gave him and his colleagues a tour of the facilities. A few minutes later their guide was needed somewhere else so he interrupted the tour, and left them for a few minutes. A couple of MS employees were on reddit, which got the guy's attention. He walked closer and saw they were furiously typing and submitting posts at an incredible speed. While eavesdropping, he heard them talking about the subreddits they should poste in and stuff like that.

Apparently MS is ordering their shills to create multiple reddit accounts and make tons of posts defending the Xbox One, as a response to the wave of criticism they have been receiving on that site. Within minutes of this anectode being posted, various redditors started finding accounts that obviously belong to these drones. They had been created only hours ago, all they posted about was the Xbone, etc.

Now comes the good part. A few hours later, the post has like 6000 comments and counting. And suddenly it's gone. Some moderator deleted it without giving an explanation as of why.

2013-06-08 12:30:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

No offense but this is exactly what I meant when I said "Sony fanboy". You only say Microsoft wouldn't do this because, well, it's Microsoft, and they can't possibly do something like this for their audience. I have a sneaking suspicion that if Sony had said you'd be able to share your game with 10 people you'd be singing a different tone, however.

Ah "no offence" ... the one thing people say when they mean offence but want to feel guilt free.

Anyway, Sony already tried that... In the beginning we used to be able to put content on up to five consoles with little restrictions, but people abused the right and developers suffered. So instead they changed the terms & conditions and restricted it to only machines which you personally owned, downed the number of activations from 5 to 2 and imposed bans for anyone who broke the rules. And guess what... developers actually get paid for their work now so how is that a bad thing? If Microsoft allow you to share your games with ten friends then they have divided the profits developers get significantly.

The same happened with the ability to install Linux on the Ps... Sony removed it in an attempt to stop the hackers that abused it.

It's not blind loyalty to Sony... It's just common sense.

2013-06-08 13:40:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

2013-06-08 14:49:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

2013-06-08 15:14:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

More like:

http://i.imgur.com/HeQgwrV.jpg

2013-06-08 21:48:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

http://youtu.be/sWcKtJj5_oY
Wow. just sums up the whole console XD best video ever. and sry if im late, im moving somewhere.

2013-06-10 03:55:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cad60eac35e5255bc496aca2637f4178/tumblr_mo52qqr67v1qdoxp5o1_500.jpg

2013-06-10 04:47:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

Halo 5 announced today... that game was there last chance to impress me but they failed. miserably. not to mention there ripping off bungies destiny now.

2013-06-10 19:59:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

Halo 5 announced today... that game was there last chance to impress me but they failed. miserably. not to mention there ripping off bungies destiny now.

What's worse: Halo 4 was released just 7 months ago... talk about milking

2013-06-10 21:58:00

Author:
TheUltraDeino

Posts: 1274

What's worse: Halo 4 was released just 7 months ago... talk about milking

It's been an annual franchse for a while now, this is actully a year off unless you count the mobile game.

2013-06-10 22:21:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

i made that post before i saw killer instinct and titanfall. Im picking up Titanfall for PC... and idk how im gonna play KI without buying an xbone

nintendo better buy back rare soon...

2013-06-11 05:03:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

i made that post before i saw killer instinct and titanfall. Im picking up Titanfall for PC... and idk how im gonna play KI without buying an xbone

nintendo better buy back rare soon...

I agree, Titanfall was probably the only cool game I saw, but since I don't have a 360 and I'm not getting the One, I might get it for PC. And about KI, that might make some people get the Xbone.

2013-06-11 05:41:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

Microsoft milks games and software dry , they wont stop till pepole hate what they have done , ive never enjoyed the microsoft family of products , as my sony and nintendo products function much better , i agree the xbox one looks more and more like a deal breaker , im still getting ps4 when it goes slim and motorstorm gets realsed or announced .

2013-06-11 05:46:00

Author:
Brutal

Posts: 184

Microsoft right now:

http://i.imgur.com/6QTq4.gif

Just look at the submissions in the Xbox One subreddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone). I actually feel bad for these guys. Imagine how awful it would be if your preferred console's company went retarded and you had to choose between being able to play your favorite games and not putting up with any anti-consumer crap.

2013-06-11 08:20:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

2013-06-15 11:44:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

Oh dear..

2013-06-15 11:53:00

Author:
Ali_Star

Posts: 4085

So, apparently the Xbox One consoles people could try out at E3 weren't actually Xbox Ones. Just PC's with a Xbox One controller connected to them.

http://i.imgur.com/yGTPC6q.png

http://i.imgur.com/pmO3iuG.png

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234074.jpg

It looks like Microsoft's PR nightmare is far from over.

I read also that they were powered by these things called Nvidia processors or something like that. I'm not much of a PC guy, so I don't really know.

2013-06-15 18:08:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions

Not sure if this has been posted yet...

2013-06-15 18:24:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

The US Military not happy about Xbone. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590451

2013-06-15 19:12:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

The US Military not happy about Xbone. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590451

That might mean that it could possibly be banned.

2013-06-15 22:45:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

Lol these Xbox One jokes

Xbox dont buy One

Xbox One hundred dollars more than ps4

Xbox dOne

Why do they call it Xbox One? Cause they took 359 steps back! xD

Final Score Xbox 1 - Playstation 4

Xbox One Two Three *Sony Drops atomic bomb on Microsoft* - My joke

I got 99 problems and Xbox is One - Most popular

2013-06-16 02:49:00

Author:
Sunbunny23

Posts: 995

http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/xbox-one-used-games-meme.png

2013-06-16 16:10:00

Author:
Schark94

Posts: 3378

So, apparently the Xbox One consoles people could try out at E3 weren't actually Xbox Ones. Just PC's with a Xbox One controller connected to them.

All xboxes have ever been are dumbed-down Windows PCs.

2013-06-16 16:30:00

Author:
ARD

Posts: 4291

It's a bit like 2005 when they had a pair of Apple Powermac G5 systems set up as the 360 demo unit.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1686/5

2013-06-16 16:46:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

I read also that they were powered by these things called Nvidia processors or something like that. I'm not much of a PC guy, so I don't really know.
Looks like a reference GTX 680 judging from the location of the 6-pins and the thickness of it.

The case is a Corsair 650D and the water block is Corsair branded too. The funny thing is, assuming the power supply is also Corsair then it's upside down...

2013-06-17 01:54:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

Looks like a reference GTX 680 judging from the location of the 6-pins and the thickness of it.

The case is a Corsair 650D and the water block is Corsair branded too. The funny thing is, assuming the power supply is also Corsair then it's upside down...

That would actually be a Geforce GTX 790 - an unreleased chip. Probably running some i7's, too.

The Xbone is nowhere near the strength of these rigs. ****.

2013-06-17 02:05:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

That would actually be a Geforce GTX 790 - an unreleased chip.
What gives it away? I'd expect that to have an alloy shroud.

2013-06-17 02:24:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

What gives it away? I'd expect that to have an alloy shroud.

I've seen the higher res versions of it - someone posted it on /v/ - and it's heatpipes were too different from the other GPU's I've seen in the 6XX and 7XX line.

2013-06-17 03:58:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

45935

2013-06-17 07:48:00

Author:
themaxus

Posts: 90

http://i.qkme.me/3uiz6a.jpg

2013-06-17 08:35:00

Author:
Schark94

Posts: 3378

Not sure if anyone showed or talked about this. But had anyone seen the likes/dislikes in the conference video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyGMBZ-zIJw
It's not only that but every video of Xbox One conference has more dislikes than likes. xD

2013-06-17 18:47:00

Author:
Sunbunny23

Posts: 995

I've seen the higher res versions of it - someone posted it on /v/ - and it's heatpipes were too different from the other GPU's I've seen in the 6XX and 7XX line.
The reference 790 has exposed heatpipes? I wanna see this photo now.

2013-06-17 22:00:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

Hey, why does the PS4 look like an eraser?

SO IT CAN ERASE THE XBONE FROM EXISTANCE

LOOLOOOOLOLOLOLOLO

2013-06-18 04:37:00

Author:
DominationMags

Posts: 1840

Hey, why does the PS4 look like an eraser?

SO IT CAN ERASE THE XBONE FROM EXISTANCE

LOOLOOOOLOLOLOLOLO

Xbox one is down! Someone call an ambulance!

Wii U Wii U Wii U Wii U Wii U

2013-06-19 01:39:00

Author:
ATMLVE

Posts: 1177

Microsoft has reportedly changed its policies regarding Xbox One’s internet requirement, used game restrictions and more. Contrary to the details announced earlier this month, anonymous sources now tell Giant Bomb that Xbox One will no longer require an internet connection or need to check in every 24 hours; instead, internet will only be required when initially setting up the console.

Xbox One will allegedly also no longer restrict used games, and will instead allow discs to be exchanged in the same way they are on Xbox 360 with no additional restrictions for trade-ins or lending games to friends. The system is also said to no longer be region locked and all downloaded games will function the same way whether your console is connected or not.

Microsoft's decision follows mass confusion following the announcement of Xbox One in May. At E3 last week, Sony announced similar policies for PlayStation 4, which will not require an internet connection or periodic authentication and does not restrict used games.

IGN has reached out to Microsoft for confirmation and clarification and will update this article with any comment we receive.

Sauce: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies

.... interesting

2013-06-19 21:26:00

Author:
Ali_Star

Posts: 4085

Sauce: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies

.... interesting

Update on June 19, 2013: As a result of feedback from the Xbox community, we have changed certain policies for Xbox One reflected in this blog. Some of this information is no longer accurate ? please check here for the latest. (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update)

Edit - The link is not live yet, but you can find this quoted in the official Xbone Q&A http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

(http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa)Edit 2 - Looks like the site is having too many people check. Please wait a few minutes for the traffic to subside. Here is a screencap of my tab in the meantime.

http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45975&d=1371675052

2013-06-19 21:44:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Sauce: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies

.... interesting

http://winace.courageunfettered.com/pics/backpedaling.gif

2013-06-19 21:46:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Whilst it doesn't effect me either way, the console war is gonna erupt again with typical "LOL SUK ON DAT PS4 FANBOYZ!" comments from a lot of idiots.

2013-06-19 21:49:00

Author:
Ali_Star

Posts: 4085

Don Mattrick: Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

. .

2013-06-19 21:54:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

CONFIRMED.

2013-06-19 21:55:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Microsoft: Winner of worse PR of the year. Countries threatening to ban the console for being a surveillance device as well as congressmen taking a stance against this. It has been nothing but terrible PR for Microsoft.

Seriously, how are they gonna explain this to the average consumer who still thinks the Xbox One is going to have all these restrictions? Hell, people are just starting to realize the Wii U is a new console.
Mass confusion incoming.

They're probably going to pay a bunch of newspapers to write about this on the cover, but that ain't going to reach everyone.

Also F.. Don Mattrick and Major Nelson for trying to damage control the whole idea of these "features (lol)". They were all talking about the benefits of it when there really were none. I've always known Don Mattrick is a slimy *******, but Major Nelson? He who were supposed to defend the gamers?

May they step on lego forever.

2013-06-19 22:10:00

Author:
VenemoX

Posts: 197

So are they really renaming it the Xbox 180? I think they should.
Or they could go back to their original plan and then we could call it the Xbox 360.
Just to confuse customers that little bit more. Mixed messages ftw!

2013-06-19 22:54:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

meh... if it was this easy for them to reverse these policies now... how long after they sell a desired number of units will it take before they reinstate them?

2013-06-19 23:20:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

I'm going to ctrl+v my post from reddit...

They still TRIED to **** us over, they still HAVE mandatory Kinect, and they are still STUCK with the weaker of the two consoles, at a $100 premium.

That's not to say that Sony has any excuse anymore - they quite simply don't. Having a computer capable of running The Witcher 2 maxed, they need to get rid of the fee for online before I even consider buying one of their new consoles.

And you know what? That doesn't even begin to describe the possibilities of them ****ing us up the *** later. Remember when XBL was $50? Remember when ads were minimal? Do we still have to pay 2 subscriptions for Netflix?

What about the privacy concerns? Microsoft is STILL the first company to have complied with PRISM, are we just forgiving that? Or worse, forgetting?

They have shown their true colors, backpedaling be ****ed. My answer stays the same - I will not buy their console.

2013-06-19 23:21:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Even after announcing all these online and game stuff being taken out, I'm still not getting it.

2013-06-19 23:53:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

I think the Xbox One will go down similar to the PS3. Microsoft has been willing to change after significant public backlash, so I think that over time prices will eventually be reduced and new versions will be released (with maybe the Kinect being optional) and it will start to really rival the PS3. I don't know if I want this to happen or not. If it does, then Microsoft will hopefully learn from their mistakes and make better machines. If not, a new competitor may emerge, which will be a lot more exciting.

2013-06-20 01:12:00

Author:
Kalawishis

Posts: 928

If not, a new competitor may emerge, which will be a lot more exciting.

Most likely that would happen, yes, we couldn't just have Sony and Nintendo on their own. But who would join the market? Bring back Atari!

2013-06-20 01:20:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

But who would join the market? Bring back Atari!

I vote Sega.

2013-06-20 01:27:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

I vote Sega.

No thanks.

...I like SEGA's PC ports. Status quo is fine for me right now.

2013-06-20 01:38:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

They still TRIED to **** us over, they still HAVE mandatory Kinect, and they are still STUCK with the weaker of the two consoles, at a $100 premium.

That's not to say that Sony has any excuse anymore - they quite simply don't. Having a computer capable of running The Witcher 2 maxed, they need to get rid of the fee for online before I even consider buying one of their new consoles.

And you know what? That doesn't even begin to describe the possibilities of them ****ing us up the *** later. Remember when XBL was $50? Remember when ads were minimal? Do we still have to pay 2 subscriptions for Netflix?

What about the privacy concerns? Microsoft is STILL the first company to have complied with PRISM, are we just forgiving that? Or worse, forgetting?

They have shown their true colors, backpedaling be ****ed. My answer stays the same - I will not buy their console.

I don't why why Xbone is getting the most hate for doing the best thing that could do in the situation they were in. Seriously, what did you want them to do? People hate on this "180" and "complete backtrack" but to be honest I'd have done the same thing if I were in Microsoft's shoes. And don't make it a crime for a corporation to only care about money. They only reason why corporations do things we like is because we give them money for it. I think Sony might have done the same thing Microsoft did if they didn't have the foresight.

But good point about PS Plus. I don't care if I get a bunch of free crap, I want to play online for free.

2013-06-20 02:16:00

Author:
Kalawishis

Posts: 928

Hopefully this backpedaling will trigger another one related to the PS+ requirement... One can dream.

2013-06-20 02:30:00

Author:
gdn001

Posts: 5891

Good to hear that perhaps Microsoft saw their mistakes but the damage is done I feel, and they have a lot of ground to remake. Plus it still is the higher price of the two systems, I would rather use the extra hundred dollars for a new game on a new PS4 then pay 500 dollars. Then I do find PS+ a better deal then Xbox Live even though it still is slightly disappointing that PS+ is neccessary for online (luckily though not for things like Netflix but just games), but I'm more of a single player gamer so I guess I can manage to live with that.

2013-06-20 02:57:00

Author:
argetlam350

Posts: 212

Many people are still furious enough to still not buy an xbox one and buying a ps4. I'm still not buying one either. Mostly because I'm not an xbox person.

2013-06-20 06:11:00

Author:
Sunbunny23

Posts: 995

? how many people will honestly care? casuals buyers either didn't know about the issues or likely won't know of these new solutions, the hardcore are still all 'oooh xbox sucks...'
this will probably only serve to add to the consumer confusion surrounding the xbox and it's policies though it is nice to see microsoft take a step in the right direction. that said I still won't buy a console that is seemingly more expensive only so they can force you to own their stupid camera thing...

2013-06-20 09:51:00

Author:
Smudge228

Posts: 533

? how many people will honestly care? casuals buyers either didn't know about the issues or likely won't know of these new solutions, the hardcore are still all 'oooh xbox sucks...'

Casual buyers wouldn't get the Xbox One in the first place. I mean, If they don't know this stuff, then all they would know that's right out there is the price. People would most likely would get a ps4 or wii u because of the price. But that isn't the correct answer to your question. Lots actually care and once again, even the xbox people care.

this will probably only serve to add to the consumer confusion surrounding the xbox and it's policies though it is nice to see microsoft take a step in the right direction. that said I still won't buy a console that is seemingly more expensive only so they can force you to own their stupid camera thing...

I wouldn't say they took a step in the right direction, or at least should of sooner. I wouldn't blame the Xbox people to still be mad. Like, Microsoft almost got away with It and hadn't done anything to fix it sooner.

2013-06-20 15:41:00

Author:
Sunbunny23

Posts: 995

Lucky for MS they backtracked when they did. Xbox Live is down.*http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/06/20/ ... of-action/
Imagine if that had happened with an always online console, it wouldn't have been pretty.

2013-06-20 19:34:00

Author:
LieutenantFatman

Posts: 465

2013-06-24 20:25:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

I have to admit, I was looking forward to the inevitable Xbox Live hacking. :/

I was too. If that did happen, that would destroy Microsoft.

2013-06-24 20:53:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

LBPC downtimes - just another reason that always-online DRM is total freaking bullcrap.

2013-06-24 21:54:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Well, im waiting next year (or 2) to buy a one... By then there will be something i give a crap about (maybe) cant believe imsomniacs new game is one exclusive :/ and that theres an lbp ripoff... moneygrabbing at its finest... atleast i actually have a rough idea about what this HALO XBOX ONE (just call it HALO 5 M$, thats what it is!) is about... Mechanim Bias, i need to read the books... >.<

2013-06-27 05:34:00

Author:
Seant1228

Posts: 348

http://allthingsd.com/20130701/exclusive-microsofts-entertainment-head-don-mattrick-leaving-to-take-top-role-possibly-ceo-at-zynga/

Don Mttrick, former head of Xbox and guy who screwed up Xbox One reveal even more than it was originally, is now leaving Microsoft to join Zynga.

Yeah, I expected him to leave/ be fired, but Zynga? Wow

2013-07-01 18:11:00

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RockSauron

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2013-07-01 22:24:00

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VenemoX

Posts: 197

2013-07-24 22:12:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

MS doesn't realize that the damage has already been done. They already screwed up big time with everything, and at this point some developers have chosen to stay away from Xbox One anyway.

2013-07-24 23:07:00

Author:
amoney1999

Posts: 1202

In case anyone is still following this tragedy of a reveal like I am...

Ms just reversed their indie developer policies too:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/24/independent-developers-will-self-publish-games-on-xbox-one

Now this is great news for gamers and developers, but MS are proving that they don't have a stable platform and that it is too easy to change policy... how long after the console releases and a satisfactory number have sold will it take them to reverse their policies again thus back-stabbing gamers? After all... their DRM policies "couldn't be turned off with a flip of a switch"... oh wait... they were... and as we all know switches can often be turned back on.

Thoughts?

This is clearly Microsoft reversing another of their heavy-handed policies. To assume that they'll change their tune down the road isn't really a concern - I think Microsoft gets the message that excluding gamers and indie devs is going to affect their bottom line. I'm not sure if this is really indicative of them not having a stable platform to develop on - quite the opposite: Xbox development tools have always been first rate - but rather represents a change in the way they deal with third parties...which has always had a lot of restrictions.

What should worry us is that some greedy publisher like EA or Capcom will decide to arbitrarily implement their own DRM scheme on the PS4 or XB1. In the uproar after the XB1's announcement, people seemed to forget that it's technically possible for any publisher to use the PS4/XB1 hardware to lock out used games as they see fit.

2013-07-25 00:22:00

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Chazprime

Posts: 587

I'm not sure if this is really indicative of them not having a stable platform to develop on

Good points, however just in my defence for the statement quoted above I was referring to a stable platform for gamers rather than the developer =p

2013-07-25 00:25:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Now this is great news for gamers and developers, but MS are proving that they don't have a stable platform and that it is too easy to change policy... how long after the console releases and a satisfactory number have sold will it take them to reverse their policies again thus back-stabbing gamers? After all... their DRM policies "couldn't be turned off with a flip of a switch"... oh wait... they were... and as we all know switches can often be turned back on.

Thoughts?

I highly doubt Microsoft would "turn back" their policies after a "sufficient" amount of sales. Sure they could do such a thing but most of the money that Microsoft gets after the initial "launch" comes from the yearly subscription, and if they were to do this they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

2013-07-25 01:28:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

Just wanted to pop in say that I'm still not interested.

That is all.

2013-07-25 03:02:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

Microsoft may have reversed some of the policies but , for me at least, the damage has been done. Shame one of my friends are buying this just because of one game being on it. Others i have seen look at the facts and make their own minds up about getting it. Then you have the fanboys who refuse to look at any facts or anything thats happened. Oh well at least i find PS+ to be much better value than Gold.

2013-07-25 15:30:00

Author:
Shooter0898

Posts: 996

I am getting the PS4 but I am also getting the Xbox One and to be honest it's mainly only for Titanfall. That game looks too good to pass up.

2013-07-25 20:45:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

I am getting the PS4 but I am also getting the Xbox One and to be honest it's mainly only for Titanfall. That game looks too good to pass up.

You could get that game on PC.

2013-07-25 21:07:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Forza 5 will need a day one patch for the full career mode. http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/18/forza-motorsport-5-install-offline-details-clarified

2013-07-25 21:08:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

Forza 5 will need a day one patch for the full career mode. http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/18/forza-motorsport-5-install-offline-details-clarified

Did you get the impression that instead of a bug fix or extra content this "patch" is simply a download for half the game that should already be on the disc? I mean... if the download is as small as they say it is why not just include it on the disc to start with?

Dare I say a sneaky form of DRM?

2013-07-25 21:24:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

You could get that game on PC.

Eh. I don't like playing FPS games on PC. Just doesn't have that same feel for me.

2013-07-26 01:31:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

Eh. I don't like playing FPS games on PC. Just doesn't have that same feel for me.

I'm the same with most first person games on the PC. I actually prefer playing Minecraft on the Xbox than the PC.

2013-07-26 01:37:00

Author:
Shooter0898

Posts: 996

Eh. I don't like playing FPS games on PC. Just doesn't have that same feel for me.

I'm the same with most first person games on the PC. I actually prefer playing Minecraft on the Xbox than the PC.

You people astound me, honestly.

2013-07-26 02:38:00

Author:
theswweet

Posts: 2468

You people astound me, honestly.
In a perfect world, we would be able to move around with a joystick and aim with a mouse.

2013-07-26 02:55:00

Author:
gdn001

Posts: 5891

Kinect Sports Rivals delayed to spring 2014 http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/25/kinect-sports-rivals-delayed-past-launch-on-xbox-one/

2013-07-26 08:44:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

You people astound me, honestly.

How does that surprise you? I have more control over my character on a joystick, which is on a controller. You can never technically move the way you want on a PC because you are using 4 buttons on a keyboard. Either I go up, left, down, right. But I can't really do it all at the same time, correct?

Games were originally made for a joystick and some buttons, have you ever played an arcade game? The controls on an arcade game transfer directly over to a controller for your console. Not to a keyboard and a mouse.

2013-07-26 10:04:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

I have more control over my character on a joystick, which is on a controller. You can never technically move the way you want on a PC because you are using 4 buttons on a keyboard. Either I go up, left, down, right. But I can't really do it all at the same time, correct?

Although I share the opinion that a controller is a better input system... wouldn't it still make more sense to buy titan fall on PC and a controller for your computer at a fraction of the cost of an XB1? Especially if you are just getting the console for one game?

2013-07-26 13:33:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Although I share the opinion that a controller is a better input system... wouldn't it still make more sense to buy titan fall on PC and a controller for your computer at a fraction of the cost of an XB1? Especially if you are just getting the console for one game?

Well that would make sense but I'd probably have to upgrade my computer as well. And besides that I know the majority of my friends in real life would be buying the console version. And it's not necessarily just for that game. I am pretty sure good Xbox exclusives would come along down the line, if i can afford both consoles what is the harm?

2013-07-26 21:49:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

Well that would make sense but I'd probably have to upgrade my computer as well. And besides that I know the majority of my friends in real life would be buying the console version. And it's not necessarily just for that game. I am pretty sure good Xbox exclusives would come along down the line, if i can afford both consoles what is the harm?

Likewise.

I'll still buy both consoles, but seeing as Sony isn't beefing up their online infrastructure much for the PS4, I'll be playing most of my online games on XBox Live.

2013-07-26 22:00:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

PS4 all the way. Though it would be fun to buy an XBox One and moon the Kinect, just in case the government was watching.

2013-07-26 22:31:00

Author:
Ryan86me

Posts: 1909

Likewise.

I'll still buy both consoles, but seeing as Sony isn't beefing up their online infrastructure much for the PS4, I'll be playing most of my online games on XBox Live.

Where did you hear that? I go on many many forums and not a single, solitary soul has spoken of this. This is a new one for me.

2013-07-28 20:15:00

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GribbleGrunger

Posts: 3910

It's funny that many people are assuming the 300k servers that Microsoft mentioned are for Xbox live only... they said they owned them... not what they were using it for.

but regardless, it's probably safe to say that if Sony are charging for online this time around the funds will go towards improving the service.

2013-07-28 20:28:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

2013-07-28 20:42:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

I have to agree with Chaz that the online infrastructure is weak on the Playstation compared to the Xbox. This is obviously because in the past Sony never required users to pay a fee to play online. So this will change with the Playstation 4, eventually... Microsoft has been building their infrastructure for years, and to be quite honest it shows. I've said it before but I've played the same game at the same time (launch week) on both consoles and you can clearly tell which console suffers when there is high traffic. Yes this will all be taken care of eventually, but I'm not expecting their infrastructure to be what I'm used to until maybe 2015.

2013-07-28 20:57:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

I guess it's okay to assume if it's Sony we're talking about?

2013-07-28 21:40:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

Okay, you got me there.

However, the point was that stating Sony's service will be weaker just because live is better in the current generation is not a good basis to go on... sure Ms might have invested billions in the service... but if 99% of that figure went towards management salaries and not actual progress would you still consider it a good investment?

Simple fact is that we do not know what either company has actually done to improve their service, and we likely won't find out until they launch.

Management salaries…?!?

Microsoft has invested billions building several large, state of the art data centers and fiber optic networks both in the US and abroad for Live. Sony didn't go that route and even if they wanted to, it'd take another decade to build out PSN to that point…so yeah, it's pretty apparent who'll have the better online service next generation.

Live has always been fee-based to cover fees for their hardware investment. With PS+, it's not really clear what we'll be paying for aside from the free games on offer.

2013-07-28 22:07:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

I guess it's okay to assume if it's Sony we're talking about?

Even without the upgrade, Xbox Live is one of the two largest gaming networks in the world (the other belonging to Blizzard) and despite the required fee for PS+, PSN's server base will still be tiny by comparison. Microsoft has been steadily investing billions in the service since the Xbox 1 days - unfortunately Sony isn't in a position to do the same anytime soon.

I have to agree with Chaz that the online infrastructure is weak on the Playstation compared to the Xbox. This is obviously because in the past Sony never required users to pay a fee to play online. So this will change with the Playstation 4, eventually... Microsoft has been building their infrastructure for years, and to be quite honest it shows. I've said it before but I've played the same game at the same time (launch week) on both consoles and you can clearly tell which console suffers when there is high traffic. Yes this will all be taken care of eventually, but I'm not expecting their infrastructure to be what I'm used to until maybe 2015.
Given that most multiplayer games on consoles are played over a P2P network the determining factor in how well the session runs is the host's connection (another player). There aren't any servers involved outside of matchmaking for such games. The game publishers typically run the multiplayer servers, not Microsoft, so I'm very curious in what ways you're getting increased performance when you play online.

2013-07-28 22:39:00

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Ayneh

Posts: 2454

Given that most multiplayer games on consoles are played over a P2P network the determining factor in how well the session runs is the host's connection (another player). There aren't any servers involved outside of matchmaking for such games. The game publishers typically run any servers involved in multiplayer games, not Microsoft, so I'm very curious in what ways you're getting increased performance when you play online.

I highly doubt this. You are telling me that over the 300+ matches I played during launch week on both consoles it was merely coincidence that Every. Single. Playstation match had delay and constant host migrations?

I would also like to direct you to Youtube, do some searches and you will find that I was not the only one to notice this. Everyone was actually quite frustrated and there were tons of complaints as to why the Playstation servers were handling so poorly when the Xbox servers had little to no problems at all.

2013-07-28 22:41:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

I highly doubt this. You are telling me that over the 300+ matches I played during launch week on both consoles it was merely coincidence that Every. Single. Playstation match had delay and constant host migrations?
You said it yourself, the host is to blame if they have a bad connection or simply leave the session. Whether you log in to an account under Xbox Live or PSN shouldn't have any effect on you and the host's connection to each other.

2013-07-28 23:00:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

With PS+, it's not really clear what we'll be paying for aside from the free games on offer.

Actually, unlike Microsoft, Sony have actually been very clear about why PSN now has a mandatory online gaming charge and have stated exactly what this fee will be going towards.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a489252/ps4-sony-explains-why-multiplayer-requires-ps-plus-subscription.html

http://mp1st.com/2013/06/27/sonys-shuhei-yoshida-explains-why-playstation-plus-is-required-for-playstation-4-online-play/

http://www.shacknews.com/article/79716/playstation-plus-for-ps4-multiplayer-to-fund-service-improvements

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/06/13/ps-plus-multiplayer-fee-to-fund-improvements/

Anyway, you seem to have ignored GribbleGrunger's original question:

Where did you hear that? I go on many many forums and not a single, solitary soul has spoken of this. This is a new one for me.

2013-07-28 23:04:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

You said it yourself, the host is to blame if they have a bad connection or simply leave the session. Whether you log in to an account under Xbox Live or PSN shouldn't have any effect on you and the host's connection to each other.

It's the result of individual players losing connection to the matchmaking server. When you log into PSN, your PS3 periodically drops connection and has to reconnect because PSN can't maintain enough connections simultaneously. PSN is very bandwidth constrained which is why just about every online function ( messaging, matchmaking etc. ) is slower than on Xbox Live and also why Sony can't host VOIP servers, etc.

Actually, unlike Microsoft, Sony have actually been very clear about why PSN now has a mandatory online gaming charge and have stated exactly what this fee will be going towards.

By all means, feel free to bullet-point anything I'm not clear on from those articles because I don't see anything "exact" mentioned in any of those.

2013-07-28 23:51:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

I can't believe what I'm reading here. 'Is it a coincidence that I always had problems when on PSN?' I'd say yes because coincidentally, I never had one single problem and still don't. PSN is now better than LIVE by a country mile. This could be seen as subjective, I accept that, but I'd take 44 PS3 games over voice chat any day of the week. As far as the infrastructure goes, Sony showed more of their online plans in February than MS has done since then. Sony talks about 'sharing' video and 'controlling' a game through the internet and a couple of months later, MS announce it too. That doesn't sound like a company with ideas to me. And of course we cannot ignore Gaikai with it's already built in online infrastructure which will clearly be central to PSN this time around.

2013-07-28 23:59:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger

Posts: 3910

By all means, feel free to bullet-point anything I'm not clear on from those articles because I don't see anything "exact" mentioned in any of those.

Fine...

such as the share functionality for example

We’re developing many new ways to play and connect

to try to keep such a service free and consequently lower the quality would be absurd

On PS4, the online connectivity features such as second screen, auto downloads and share features--these are one big pillar of the PS4 experience and we will continue to invest in this area to expand and improve these online features and services

new online features like the share function, auto downloads and second screen abilities

and that isn't even including the parts stating that there will still be new free monthly titles and content given to ps+ subscribers... and of course a bunch of that will be spent of maintenance, research and improvements on a optimisation level. This doesn't even include the costs to run Gaikai or that feature that allows you to help your friends by taking control of their game.

oh... and no adverts all over your menus... that's a pretty big plus point.

The above quotes highlight what Sony is spending the money on... but once again you still seem to be avoiding that question asking you where you heard that Sony were not "beefing up their online infrastructure much for the PS4"

If you want to play this game fine, but go find a statement from MS stating where "exactly" they are spending the money from live subscriptions... simply stating they have 300k servers in total doesn't show how good xbox live is going to be... for all you know 250k of those could be used for online backups for MS office.

2013-07-29 00:18:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

and that isn't even including the parts stating that there will still be new free monthly titles and content given to ps+ subscribers... and of course a bunch of that will be spent of maintenance, research and improvements on a optimisation level. This doesn't even include the costs to run Gaikai or that feature that allows you to help your friends by taking control of their game.

Well, Gaikai doesn't really have much to do with online play in my opinion, especially not when we're comparing online play performance. All things considered, I think Gaikai is a pretty dead-end technology and I'd sooner not pay for it if I were given a choice.

What confuses me is why you're okay paying money towards Sony's research & development into online play & Gaikai, but have a problem paying for XBox Live - Microsoft who have already done the R&D, spent money and are now just subsidizing their hardware investment. That seems illogical to me.

If you want to play this game fine, but go find a statement from MS stating where "exactly" they are spending the money from live subscriptions... simply stating they have 300k servers in total doesn't show how good xbox live is going to be... for all you know 250k of those could be used for online backups for MS office.

I don't need to play any game, I think the current Xbox Live performance speaks for itself right here and now. I pay for it and am happy with the performance that I get playing online games - upgrades or not.

I can't believe what I'm reading here. 'Is it a coincidence that I always had problems when on PSN?' I'd say yes because coincidentally, I never had one single problem and still don't.

So, tell us about your experiences with LBPV and PSN again?

PSN is now better than LIVE by a country mile. This could be seen as subjective, I accept that, but I'd take 44 PS3 games over voice chat any day of the week.

You're right, that's completely subjective. How hours in a week do you spend playing online games? I played COD4 at launch on both platforms and noticed a huge difference in performance. Would you care to comment on that? Do our opinions not matter because you've never had a problem?

2013-07-29 01:30:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

You're right, that's completely subjective. How hours in a week do you spend playing online games? I played COD4 at launch on both platforms and noticed a huge difference in performance. Would you care to comment on that? Do our opinions not matter because you've never had a problem?

Just before I actually post my response to this, thank you for providing a debate rather than just resorting to name calling... it's a breath of fresh air to actually be able to discuss the consoles, even if we don't share the same opinions, without it becoming an immature fight.

Now, surely basing the performance of the networks at launch is invalid now as both have transformed heavily?

...also in Gribble's defence, I have a couple of points:

Like him I had a flawless experience at launch on PSN with matchmaking and connection being fast and stable. Where PSN failed, and in many cases still does, is generally downloads as they are simply slow and painful to wait through.

secondly, the coding for each game will not be identical and it is possible it was optimised for one game more than the other... in this case the 360 version as it was an easier architecture to code for and had already been out a year. This next generation the playing field will be more level. Obviously coding isn't everything to online performance but it can have a major impact when done better on one system.

2013-07-29 02:00:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma

Posts: 1414

PSN is now better than LIVE by a country mile. This could be seen as subjective, I accept that, but I'd take 44 PS3 games over voice chat any day of the week.
So, tell us about your experiences with LBPV and PSN again?

Man... You can't possibly compare a portable gaming system such as PSVita's online experience with a home console such as Xbox's LIVE.

I'm just going to say this... Ok, I've always preferred the PS3 over the Xbox for a lot. And I always used to admit that yeah, Xbox's online tends to be "better" than PS3's... But to be honest, today I was playing some Halo 4 (basically the only game I still play at times in my Xbox360) and it was laggy as hell. And its not the first time it happens. And then I just switched to PS3 and played Battlefield 3 online perfectly fine. I believe both online modes are great, and even if Xbox has more servers and infraestructure behind, it is not flawless at all. As a owner of both consoles, I can tell PS3 beats (for me at the least) Xbox in almost every aspect. I mean... I play even more Wii U than Xbox nowadays...

It is just that a great console is conformed by many aspects. To be honest I don't like most of Xbox's most famous exclusives, and suspended my Gold account a few months ago. In the other hand, many of PS3' exclusives are totally mind-blowing and diverse... I mean, I could deffend PS3 in many ways but that's not really what you guys are talking about. I just want to say that both online gaming experiences are great for me, but I prefer PS3 for bascially everything else above its Xbox equivalent, and I do believe that making PS+ obligatory for some online gaming, it can make the online-stuff of Sony's console much much better.

2013-07-29 02:54:00

Author:
yugnar

Posts: 1478

Well, Gaikai doesn't really have much to do with online play in my opinion, especially not when we're comparing online play performance. All things considered, I think Gaikai is a pretty dead-end technology and I'd sooner not pay for it if I were given a choice.

Why do you think Gaikai is a dead end technology? I don't mean to be rude but you seem to be just pulling phrases out to suit your purposes. Gaikai is the most advanced cloud based infrastructure with more worldwide servers than a lot of other businesses. I know this because that's one of the reasons Sony bought them. It not only enables a decent work around for BC, but it also offers streaming of games to the PSVita, the PS4 and ANY other device that decides to become Gaikai enabled. It's just an install away. It offers integration between many social networks and allows for access to your Vita for remote play. Just to clarify that last point: Gaikai tech is actually built into the PS4 ... It's hardware based, which is probably why MS could only manage 5 minutes of recorded gameplay and Sony managed 15 minutes.

What confuses me is why you're okay paying money towards Sony's research & development into online play & Gaikai, but have a problem paying for XBox Live - Microsoft who have already done the R&D, spent money and are now just subsidizing their hardware investment. That seems illogical to me.

I always find this a cheap shot if I'm being honest. When I and many others subscribed to PS+, it wasn't to access online gaming, it was simply to get 40+ PS3 games, 30+, PSVita games, online storage, automatic updates, early betas and lots of lovely discounts. We paid for the service because it's the service that's the value, not what it 'allows' us to do ... and of course it's cheaper than LIVE. For the majority of people who already have PS+, it makes absolutely no difference whether online play is included; we get it by default if you will. I'll also add that FTP games are NOT behind the paywall and neither are apps such as Netflix.

So, tell us about your experiences with LBPV and PSN again?

I think it's already been pointed out that you can't compare a handheld to a console to prove a point about online reliability ... but let's do that anyway. In all my experience using the Vita and the PS3 to play online, only ONE game has annoyed me and that was LBPVita. Baring in mind that everything else works just fine, I'd have to draw the conclusion that it's something other than just a 'dodgy online service'.

You're right, that's completely subjective. How hours in a week do you spend playing online games? I played COD4 at launch on both platforms and noticed a huge difference in performance. Would you care to comment on that? Do our opinions not matter because you've never had a problem?

I'm not going to say much here other than your opinions are equally as valid as mine. Wouldn't you offer me the same courtesy?

2013-07-29 03:51:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger

Posts: 3910

Just before I actually post my response to this, thank you for providing a debate rather than just resorting to name calling... it's a breath of fresh air to actually be able to discuss the consoles, even if we don't share the same opinions, without it becoming an immature fight.

I'd be a poor moderator I if allowed that to happen

Now, surely basing the performance of the networks at launch is invalid now as both have transformed heavily?

...also in Gribble's defence, I have a couple of points:

Like him I had a flawless experience at launch on PSN with matchmaking and connection being fast and stable. Where PSN failed, and in many cases still does, is generally downloads as they are simply slow and painful to wait through.

secondly, the coding for each game will not be identical and it is possible it was optimised for one game more than the other... in this case the 360 version as it was an easier architecture to code for and had already been out a year. This next generation the playing field will be more level. Obviously coding isn't everything to online performance but it can have a major impact when done better on one system.

Again, it's not that PSN performs poorly per se, it's just that Live does it much better. I love playing things like LBP, Uncharted and TLOU and it's fine for those things, but sometimes I also want to get on the Xbox and blast the spit out of my friends in Halo or Gears of War. For a person who spends a signifigant amount of time playing multiplayer games, there's simply no comparison, even with recent games like BF3.

I can log on, chat with friends and maybe jump into a game with one of them quickly, leave and go into another game without any of us dropping out or getting lag as a result of the conversation. Messaging is immediate and with VOIP always available, I never have to strain to hear what my friends are telling me. The integration of online play at the OS level becomes very apparent once you start to use it, as does having a consistent connection with the server. That might not be important to you and that's fine - I'm not arguing about whether PS+ is a better value because that's going to vary from person to person - I'm simply telling you what Live does better.

Sony might improve network interactivity at the OS level with the PS4, but unless they're prepared to invest heavily in their online infrastructure, they'll probably never achieve the same level of performance that Xbox has, and not anytime soon.

Look, I actually detest most things Mircrosoft does and I gather that many of you do as well, but Xbox Live is probably the one thing that they've done right and done well in the gaming space, so I think we should give credit where credit is due.

Why do you think Gaikai is a dead end technology? I don't mean to be rude but you seem to be just pulling phrases out to suit your purposes
Because there was no demand for it.

Until Sony bought out Gaikai, they were headed right into the same hole that OnLive is buried in. It might be a nice option for backwards compatibility with the PS4, but by and large it'll likely just going to wind up a gimmick as did motion controls.

Gaikai is the most advanced cloud based infrastructure with more worldwide servers than a lot of other businesses.

Now this I'm interested to hear more about

I always find this a cheap shot if I'm being honest. When I and many others subscribed to PS+, it wasn't to access online gaming, it was simply to get 40+ PS3 games, 30+, PSVita games, online storage, automatic updates, early betas and lots of lovely discounts.

I think you should actually read the context of the conversation between Dav1d0 and myself before putting words in my mouth. I've not made any single statement about whether I think Live is a better value than PS+.

I think it's already been pointed out that you can't compare a handheld to a console to prove a point about online reliability ...

Nor would I. I'm simply making the point that most people that respond as you did have indeed have made complaints about online performance and usually don't even play a lot of multiplayer games to being with.

If I recall correctly, you don't play a lot of multiplayer games so for you, there might not be much value in Live or the online experience. Cross-game chat might be of little value to you, but to someone like my kids who enjoy playing a lot of games with their friends, it's a deal-breaker for me to buy them the PS3 version of a game and take that away.

2013-07-29 13:53:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

Fair enough, Chazprime, we'll just have to agree to disagree because the devil is in the detail and the detail leads us in circles.

2013-07-29 15:05:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger

Posts: 3910

I highly doubt this. You are telling me that over the 300+ matches I played during launch week on both consoles it was merely coincidence that Every. Single. Playstation match had delay and constant host migrations?

Corrrelation doesn't imply causation. An alternative explanation could be that because Xbox is more popular in the US and Playstation in Japan, on Playstation you're more likely to be playing with someone in Japan, and thus more likely to suffer from network problems. More servers is not going to solve this. (I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had most of those 300k servers to serve ads and data mine.

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2013-07-29 15:53:00

Author:
Rogar

Posts: 2284

Corrrelation doesn't imply causation. An alternative explanation could be that because Xbox is more popular in the US and Playstation in Japan, on Playstation you're more likely to be playing with someone in Japan, and thus more likely to suffer from network problems. More servers is not going to solve this. (I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had most of those 300k servers to serve ads and data mine.

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What? That's not how it works, and if that is what is happening (I'm playing with someone across the globe), then we have bigger problems to fry.

You guys don't have to believe me, but I'm not stating opinion, I'm stating fact. Do some google searches, look it up on Youtube. Back when Black Ops 1 came out, I was very much into Call of Duty. I was subscribed to all of the call of duty youtube guys, and for the first two weeks, those that had the PS3 version of Black Ops 1 were extremely upset.

I actually recall a youtube gamer by the name of WoodysGamertag switching from the PS3 version to the Xbox version even though his preferred console was PS3 just because the servers were so unstable. I also recall the same thing for a Youtube network "NextGenTactics" having this same problem, and having to switch to the Xbox version.

I also have to agree with Chaz that when I had a PS3 (sold it 1-2 years ago) the XMB was very slow to load, and it was actually quite frustrating. I would get a message from a friend, and I would have to wait eons for my friends list to load, then another 30 seconds for the message to load. Coming from the Xbox 360 it was nuts having to wait that long.

Another example; Pressing the Playstation button in the middle to bring the XMB up also took forever, whereas on the Xbox 360 it's almost instant.

In the end, both consoles have their ups and downs. However when it comes to the online infrastructure the age old saying holds true, you get what you pay for and unfortunately PSN being free was in my opinion a pretty big mistake, and is in my opinion the sole reason the Playstation Network was able to be hacked into so easily and taken down for a week+(?)

Of course this thread is about the Xbox One, and as such, we should be comparing it to the PS4. Like I said they both have their ups and downs and I for one am glad they are going to be getting a decent yearly revenue from subscribers. It'll help build more servers, stabilize them, and thank god for cross-chat functionality. T'was my biggest problem when I had a PS3.

2013-07-29 21:07:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino

Posts: 5250

It's the result of individual players losing connection to the matchmaking server. When you log into PSN, your PS3 periodically drops connection and has to reconnect because PSN can't maintain enough connections simultaneously. PSN is very bandwidth constrained which is why just about every online function ( messaging, matchmaking etc. ) is slower than on Xbox Live and also why Sony can't host VOIP servers, etc.
I don't know if that's the case, although it would explain the host migration issues for COD.

In a lot of the replies here a number of the elements that make up online multiplayer are being conflated together. You simply aren't good to see any increase in performance in online games by paying a subscription to Sony. For the rare games that have dedicated servers for console players, like the Battlefield series (whose servers are run by EA, not Sony), the performance will be identical. In P2P games it doesn't matter how much money you throw at Sony if the host has a bad connection.

It'd be fairer if the people who actually use the services Sony wants to expand upon pay. They're simply praying on people's ignorance of how PSN works.

Anyway, I feel I'm posting this in the wrong thread.

2013-07-30 02:42:00

Author:
Ayneh

Posts: 2454

What? That's not how it works, and if that is what is happening (I'm playing with someone across the globe), then we have bigger problems to fry.

You guys don't have to believe me, but I'm not stating opinion, I'm stating fact.

I didn't say PS3 users don't have problems. I know nothing about it, I don't even have an Xbox to compare. I'm just saying that the problems you saw could be caused by any number of things, and we don't really know, we don't work at Sony. But peer to peer games should not be heavily dependant on the amount of servers, and if they are, then it's a software problem.

2013-07-30 10:24:00

Author:
Rogar

Posts: 2284

2013-08-03 16:19:00

Author:
DominationMags

Posts: 1840

My question is, what the heck is wrong with the consoles right now.., they're perfectly good consoles and nothing wrong with them. IMO the Xbone would be a DOWNGRADE from the Xbox 360, am I wrong? Why do they have to keep releasing new consoles, when the PS3 is amazing by itself? WHAT IF I DONT WANT TO PAY MORE MONEY?! THIS IS MADNESS! :kz:

endrant
Better hardware is always good, but one of the issues that consoles have and PC doesn't is that these upgrades are controlled by the developers. So they can make better hardware, and attach all kinds of DRM and additional payments to it, console people will be forced to buy it, while PC people are free to upgrade and shape their software and hardware as they want.

I don't like the current console monopoly in gaming, it's bad for the consumers. If more games released for PC, the console devs would have to rethink their strategies.

2013-08-03 16:25:00

Author:
gdn001

Posts: 5891

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