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Well, Season 6 is almost here, and it appears like it'll make lost fans even more annoying then ever before

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to

Anyway... Favorite characters?

Hm... I like Charlie... Especially since I actually miss him. He's really the only dead character who I actually miss, so yeah, he HAS to be good.

Then I like Locke and how miserable he was... I love misery

. Anyway, I really hope he doesn't come back to life in Season 6, and he just dies, you think he comes back to life... but then it was just Jacob's rival impersonating him, and that Locke was never special all this time, was just a pawn. Having him come back to life now and actually have meaning... I unno, it'd undo his arc of misery ;o.

2010-01-20 00:28:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Lol yeah I saw that video rock. I'll be one of those people annoying the masses with my theories

Although, season 2? Rock, you might want to check your nose. I think you've been time-travelling!

Oh and just want to reaffirm: please NO spoilers about season 6 in this thread!

...Two weeks!!!!

2010-01-20 00:48:00

Author:
hilightnotes

Posts: 1230

Yep!

Sorry, typos >_<

Well, that wasn't really a spoiler in case you thought it was, I mean it's fairly obvious that the Locke that had Ben kill Jacob was his rival (or the man in Black, since that's how me and my brother view him >_<).

I'm just hoping he doesn't come back... it would be a fitting conclusion to his arc :kz:

2010-01-20 01:33:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Yep!

I'm just kinda paranoid about hearing any spoilers at this point because I've worked so hard and smothered so many spoiler cravings for the past 8 and a half months I would hate to stumble into one!

2010-01-20 02:40:00

Author:
hilightnotes

Posts: 1230

Yeah, I'm really having trouble accepting the fact that Locke may have just been a pawn all along. From the second episode of the first season, Locke has appeared to be more in tune with the island than anyone else. Perhaps it's because he was able to walk again... but the fatalist in me wants to believe there is something bigger at play here.

We know John was deceived by "Locke" by means of Richard when he was told he had to die in order to get the "Oceanic Six" to come back to the island. As far as I can tell, everything involving Locke prior to that incident (let's just say season five as a whole) is still a mystery as far as Locke's connection with the island is concerned. Was John's so-called "destiny" just wishful thinking on his part? Perhaps. But wouldn't that be taking the easy way out from a writing point of view? Have the writers taken the "easy" way out up to this point? Again, there are way too many holes left in this magnificent story; I'd be utterly disappointed if they - the writers - called Locke a martyr and were just done with his story...

Yes, this is really just personal preference on my part. I love Locke as a character and I love Terry O'Quinn as an actor. On the other hand, I really couldn't care less =about Juliet and whether or not she shows up in season six. Again, it's just personal preference. Call me on it, but I want more Locke and I'll be super-annoyed if - by the end of the series - he's anything less than... alive.

2010-01-21 02:01:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

Locke has been one of my favourite characters throughout the show. But in my opinion, his death was a really a death, and his life was indeed pathetic. As sad as it may be, it's by no means lazy writing. If you go back all the way, even in season 1, we see from his flashbacks as well as his on island experiences, the same thing: Locke always wants to be more, to have more. He was in a good position in season 1, almost like Richard in an advisory type role. But he wanted more. He wanted to be leader. And the other thing that we have seen consistently about him is that he is very susceptible to manipulation. This, combined with his other major flaw, lead him down a path of failure and disappointment. As sad as it may be, as pathetic, as harsh, it can all be summed up best in Locke's visit to Kate in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham". Locke tells her that he used to be angry, frustrated. Kate responds sarcastically in brutal truth "and look how far you've come".

As to Locke being in tune to the island in season 1 so to speak, I have a theory on that

If any of you want to read it, here ya go: http://lostpodcast.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=9380&page=1#212734

2010-01-21 04:30:00

Author:
hilightnotes

Posts: 1230

Your theory is just as sound as any. And I wouldn't even go so far to say that I have a "theory" on this; it's really just wishful thinking on my part. I've accepted that Locke may have been a victim to his own naivety. It just breaks my heart a little to know that the eternal fatalist got played...

2010-01-21 13:35:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

4 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes!!!!!!

I'm gonna stay away from this thread until it airs, cause I don't want to get spoiled (especially with the new footage floating around). So I'll see you guys after my premier party!

Also, if you want to get hyped up even more, look no further than my YouTube favourite's list

http://www.youtube.com/user/hilightnotes#p/f
I've got most of the best fan made LOST videos favourited. Also, if there was more than one awesome vid by the same person, I only favourited one so check out ever person's profile if you liked their video!

It's gonna be awesome. I'm not sure if I've ever been so excited in my life xD

2010-01-29 20:09:00

Author:
hilightnotes

Posts: 1230

I can't wait!

2010-01-29 21:13:00

Author:
Powershifter

Posts: 668

Tonight, tonight!

I'm going to miss the live viewing as I have to work late (work before play!), but I've got it set to record. Cannot wait!

2010-02-02 12:07:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

I'm so excited! Any last minute guesses as to what happen with the bomb? Here's mine:

I'm thinking the bomb goes off and that a reset does occur. However, I think that the Losties will retain the memories of what has happen thus far. Much like what happen to Desmond when he activated the fail safe at the end of season two. So, I can picture Jack's eyes opening like in previous episodes, but this time he's on the plane... before it crashed. And he looks around, sees Kate and the others and they all know each other already. As to what would happen after that, I have no clue. In fact, I don't even know if any of this would make sense, but I think it will be something similar to this.

So, anyone else have some crazy theories?

2010-02-02 16:12:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Won't give up that theory, huh mrSC? We're going to have to chat once it's over... so be ready!

I think it's not a bad theory, but I'm convinced it'll be something more wild than a reset. In fact, if a reset happens, I bet it won't be until the end of the episode. My basis for this is nothing, but meh...

2010-02-02 16:28:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

You don't think a reset in which everyone remembers what has happened is wild? I think that could be pretty crazy.

2010-02-02 16:40:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Hey! Stop stealing my theories! >

The first thing I said when Season 5 ended was "Season 6 will start how The Game ended..."

Anyone else play that? Agree?

2010-02-02 17:04:00

Author:
dawesbr

Posts: 3280

reset? yes! you want wild? yes! I want my Charlie Pace back again!!! Guitar proxy anyone? I think Locke will be back as well. Locke is like the backbone of the show. On the rare episode the story doesn't integrally involve him... the camera still hesitates on him taking in his full range of cynical cyclical glances.

2010-02-02 17:35:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

5 hours and 40 minutes to go

2010-02-02 20:20:00

Author:
Powershifter

Posts: 668

Soooooooooooooon... :kz:

2010-02-02 20:29:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Everyone reconvene here after the show is over to discuss it, this is probably going to blow our minds... I've forgotten how good LOST is, and tonight's episode will probably cheer me up beyond belief.

2010-02-02 21:25:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

I have to wait til friday! O_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PAB6Sgdp8

Anyone reckon they will answer all of these?

2010-02-02 22:06:00

Author:
moleynator

Posts: 2914

Observations on the ad I saw this afternoon;

BAD LOCKE tells Sawyer he has the answer to the most important question in the world... Why he's on this island. Next Locke and Sawyer are atop a cliff, then they climb down. Looks as if Sawyer goes splat!

Bad Locke removes a white stone to unbalance a scale... leaving only his black stone to weigh things down.... dun dun dun.

'Dead losties' appear to remain 'dead losties' as Sun walk past their beachside makeshift cemetery and Boone's and other crosses are visible in the foreground. "JULES!" sadly may be no more. Poor Poor Charlie. I had such hopes!

Hurley is skitter stepping through the temple... Kate, Jack, Sayid, Hugo are now at an active temple... where some dharma-geek-monk-gods stole Hermione's Time-Turner to give the group a chance to redeem themselves....

Oh, and Sayid is being tortured with a hot poker to the belly... screaming why are you doing this to me?... (well, presumeably to save you from that gut-shot you took several months ago buddy)

Smoke monster smoke monster smoke monster... Jack being Jack! "Why is my name here!!?!" (hulk smash) way to live and learn Jackie-boy! Way to live and learn.

I have an English degree. Read and seen countless plays. Dissected thousands of movies my entire life and managed a theatre for thirteen years. I've seen all manner of water cooler spectacle.

I AM EXCITED. This is the one show I really never know where it's going. I am continually pleasantly surprised.

Bring it on!

2010-02-02 23:17:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

2 hours, 40 minutes

I'd join you guys here after the show, but we're having people over so I won't be able to read your discussions until tomorrow.

2010-02-02 23:21:00

Author:
Powershifter

Posts: 668

45 minutes!! Ah!

Bring your watercooler outfits, everyone...

Edit: So much for closure, huh!?

Charlie is aliiiiive!

All in all, pretty let down with the episode as a whole. The whole sub-plot on the plane confused me... is that just what life would've been like? Is there any other purpose?

Juliette's conclusion was a bit expected, seeing as she's on another ABC show, but sad to see her go. James is ******!

Ah, so many loose ends!

Ah, I didn't realize it was two hours! What is going on!?

Edit2: Oh Em Gee! Sayid!

I enjoyed the second half much more.

2010-02-03 00:17:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

EE-Ghad! Give me one big JohnnyCash answer, (well half answer) and open up many more cans of worms... Good to see they didn't stray from the formula!
Feel kinda foolish never having foresaw Jack/Locke LAX meeting... I think we might have glimpsed the end game tonight, Juliet did say it worked. However, I've come to the conclusion that LOST is a package that isn't going to come all wrapped up in a pretty bow. I'm thinking there are always going to be on-going debates of who what where and when...

My WTF moment had to be the sunken island submerged for years and years...

Also thought it was interesting the promo advertised this afternoon pulled clips from throughout the season rather than just tonights episodes...

2010-02-03 05:25:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Wow... don't really know what to make of that. It's all a bit unexplained at the moment (too much so to really make much sense in terms of the two different stories with the plane and island). Hoping it gets more clear quickly. For some reason I have a feeling the two stories will collide, and end up at the same situation/result.

2010-02-03 08:11:00

Author:
ryryryan

Posts: 3767

Parallel universes?! :O

I'm glad that the Man in Black was the Monstah. I knew it'd be so... but yeah, now Eko's death makes sense in a completely different light

.

Weird how some people on the plane changed (although that may just have been Boone/Shannon and Hurley?) and some stayed the same... Wait...

Ok, so, crazy theory time...

The MIB said "It all ends the same"... And everyone STILL ended up the same, except for Hurley, who is pretty much the definition of "good". Maybe that's why in the crazy parallel universe everyone ended up the same- they all have some degree of malintent except for Hurley? Maybe if it showed Michael/Walt, they'd be better because they never really had malcontent until Michael... y'know...

Anyway, crazy theory over.

2010-02-03 11:15:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

2010-02-03 12:12:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

Yeah I'm not so sure it's a parallel universe. I'm thinking those scenes were all 'flash forwards' and we were witnessing stuff from the end of the show. I bet the sunken island might even be the last scene of season 6 - but that's just a guess!

2010-02-03 12:13:00

Author:
Powershifter

Posts: 668

Seriously, I don't know how I made it nine months without a new episode of LOST! I watched the first part last night before bed and had to wait on the second part for an insignificant reason. That being the case, I had wicked, restless dreams all night. Going to be a long day today!

I don't think there are parallel universes at play, Rock. The series has been a mish-mash of past and future events when life on the island is depicted. That said, the writers have every right to change it up, but I think that would be too easy to spot. My theory is more in-line with that of Gravel; that tonight was a glimpse of the finale (possibly).

Some things worth noting:

Jack seems to recognize Desmond to some degree... even though Desmond was never on that flight.

Do we know for sure that anyone's life was different once they made it to LAX?

Keep this discussion going, guys' it's going to be a long week waiting on the next episode!

Well, my theory on Desmond was that the sunken island meant Desmond could never crash on it, so he just spent the past three years living a normal life- and it just so happened that his life off the island coincided with the plane that, in another universe, would crash on his island. So in a world where Desmond wasn't in the Swan, he'd be on that same plane O-o.

As for different lives- well, the only two I'd really say are Boone/ shannon (Shannon not being on the flight may just have been a way to write her out since I'm not sure they could get her back... hopefully there's a reason to it though), and Hurley (I really don't think he was just joking about his life being awesome. He isn't the kind of guy to do that).

As for the flashforward theory... well, I kinda don't think that'll work. Not to say I like the parallel universes, but it just seemed like that was what happened... Maybe not, I unno. Just doesn't feel right.

Any way... I'm fairly certain Jacob and the MIB are aliens. That or some kind of interdimensional beings. Yeah, bring in the aliens

2010-02-03 12:25:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

About desmond guys... Jack remembered his face from when he was running the stadium and spoke with him (as he recognised him in the hatch too). As to why he's on the plane... Not sure. But something is up as he dissapeared!

My theory is that somehow the two storylines end up with the same conclusion, following the series theory of you can't change fate.
I'll write more when I get to a pc (on iPod)

2010-02-03 13:03:00

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ryryryan

Posts: 3767

2010-02-03 13:13:00

Author:
Powershifter

Posts: 668

About desmond guys... Jack remembered his face from when he was running the stadium and spoke with him (as he recognised him in the hatch too). As to why he's on the plane... Not sure. But something is up as he dissapeared!

I believe Rocksauron is correct though. If the bomb did destroyed the island, then Charles Widmore wouldn't fund the boat race, which means Desmond wouldn't be training for it in the stadium. And if you recall, Jack recognized Desmond immediately in the hatch, saying "You?!?" as soon as he saw and heard Desmond. On the plane it was different. I'm thinking that there is some bleed over between these two realities.

My theory is that somehow the two storylines end up with the same conclusion, following the series theory of you can't change fate.
I'll write more when I get to a pc (on iPod)

I'm thinking the same thing.

2010-02-03 13:42:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

@powershifter: When I say dissapeared, I meant he left the seat by Jack, and the writers made a note of this (i talk about it more below)

I believe Rocksauron is correct though. If the bomb did destroyed the island, then Charles Widmore wouldn't fund the boat race, which means Desmond wouldn't be training for it in the stadium. And if you recall, Jack recognized Desmond immediately in the hatch, saying "You?!?" as soon as he saw and heard Desmond. On the plane it was different. I'm thinking that there is some bleed over between these two realities.

I'm a bit hazy on the memory with Widmore funding the race, but I'm sure Desmond would manage it anyway somehow, particularly as Libby gave him the boat. We can't know for sure on that, but you would of thought Jack would remember someone else and not just Desmond. Obviously Desmond wasn't on the island, so he probably completed his race (assuming he did it). Whether he is actually on the plane is a whole different thing, and this is where I agree with the realities bleeding over. No-one else actually confirmed they saw Desmond, and it just seems too much of a coincidence for him to be on the same flight (even for lost!). He also then 'disappeared'. The writers made a note of this by having Rose say she was asleep so didn't see him, and if I know Lost they wouldn't have that in there for no reason. I theorize that only Jack is seeing him as part of this bleed over effect, and possible course correction (what Elouise talked about). Over time I think Jack will slowly see more of this island stuff.
Or, Desmond is actually on the plane for one reason or another and just happened to sit by Jack for a bit. Thing is, they didn't need to show Desmond if this was the case, as we know he obviously wouldn't be on the Island (due to its lack of existence). If anything it would of been a nicer surprise to see him in a following episode. Chances are this is the case though.

2010-02-03 15:15:00

Author:
ryryryan

Posts: 3767

I'm a bit hazy on the memory with Widmore funding the race, but I'm sure Desmond would manage it anyway somehow, particularly as Libby gave him the boat. We can't know for sure on that, but you would of thought Jack would remember someone else and not just Desmond. Obviously Desmond wasn't on the island, so he probably completed his race (assuming he did it).

But without Widmore, there would be no race at all as I believe it was his idea. So Desmond would never even know about the race, never meet Libby, never get the boat, and never train at the stadium. I agree that it is odd that Jack didn't remember anyone else though... so maybe I am off.

2010-02-03 16:25:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Well we've had flash-forwards. And we've had flash-backs. It seems possible that these could have been... flash-glimpses? Idk. I think Jack's actions were a very desperate measure... as such he was just being silly if he thought one crushing course correction would fix it all. I think the big gears are all back in place yet there is still plenty of tinkering and tacting to be done. At any rate I think he set the stage for the big show to proceed. My fear is the writers think they can now proceed to the end of the big picture... while so many little nagging questions remain-- I am gonna be severely disappointed if the producing team just says, "well, your always gonna have that with a show of this magnitude". Lost is Great. One of my all-time favorites. But it is also in the unique position that the sum of the parts may not add up creating something larger than itself. If this season doesn't answer like 90% of my questions--the show as a whole is gonna suffer. With this self-imposed deadline, I'm afraid the writers course-corrected their timelines and just shed many of the texturals that made LOST all that it is/was.

I thought Jack recognized Desmond from the stadium... but perhaps they're was also some psychic-residue left like a tingle up the spine or something. Anyway Desmond did up and disappear, perhaps his course or part in all this has been set straight (but that seems to go against what Eloise Hawking had to say last season-- She was all doom 'n' gloom when it came to Desmond. Like he was gonna be a cosmic clown picking up just scraps of happiness his masters allowed him to enjoy.) Desmond didn't seem drunk or overtly sad.

Course corrected?:
John Locke, Juliet, Shanon & Boone, Ardt (or whatever his name I like to call him boom!), Rose & Bern, Sayid (but not for long)... and a bunch of low level character actors.

Uncharted?:
Michael & Walt & Dog, Claire, Ana Lucia, Ecko, Where was Hurley's sweetheart?

My musings really stumbles when it comes to one of my favorites, Charlie. Charlie was unloveable. It would seem as if he hadn't learned anything at all while he was on the Island... Like it never happened for Charlie--which is just a lie to me. I thought Charlie's arc was poignant! I was able to console my grief over his death with, "Well, the selfish boy grew into a compassionate man..." Not so here. But perhaps his incarceration is rock-bottom and it is from here (and Jacks actions) where he rights his life. But NO Growth was evident.

I also think Jack's actions had one other huge impact in terms of Character developement... Jack conceivably LOST his daddy issues. It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the rest of the season... presumably he will be able to step into 'Hero Role' with less trepidation but of course the writers gave him a whole new heap of self-doubt... Jack still needs to believe! Just as Sawyer does.

Sawyer.

Was LAX Sawyer gonna go after Hurley? Or has he moved on knowing he was worthy of someones love, Juliet's Love. HURLEY. LAX Hugo Reyes really disturbed me. I felt uncomfortable watching him... he was acting more like Jacob or a deity than Hurley(IDK) The writers always leave me feeling like I was grasping at air.

Like, maybe we saw the submerged Island because thats where all these people came to finally rest. Maybe there is no island. Maybe its all just one big morality play that takes place in the briefest moment between what is termed LIFE & DEATH. Maybe the island is just a symbol as in "No man is an Island" where we all stop to examine and better understand what we need to do to proceed... Either way I think we're sailing in these waters rather than the 'Alien waters'. Don't think its gonna be an extra-terrestrial experience. Atlantean would be more likely... and I no longer see that as being very likely either.

Ok. Jacob needs Sayid for the coming war. Desperate measures and all that. But I think what would have been LAX SAYID was forcibly pulled across to replace Island Sayid who died an untimely death. BIg trouble for him I think... the ad I saw yesterday comes to mind with Sayid being tied down screaming "WHY???" as the hot poker hovers over what should have been a gut wound that killed him... Sayid himself didn't know where he was going spiritually?

Claire idk. I think the writers are lost with what to do with her. Why else ignore her as they did for as long as they did? Perhaps I just don't understand Calire and Aaron. Is Aaron with his family now? Perhaps the writers don't either and just need to shed Claire.

So Boone was refreshing. He was an "enlighted" Boone. He had obviously grown from his time spent on the Island. Learned his lesson. And moved on. Boones' Karmic wheel is set to right. I'm speaking very short and clear here... because he is the best example (I think) the writers have given us of Jacks actions... of what is going on here... Not sure the Island or Universe needs them... it is them or 'we' that need the Island. Perhaps Boone died on island because his karmic play was through?

Juliet died on Island and Jack's actions had "worked'. Locke's dead, and we see a different Locke as well. One who is not as desperate as suicide Locke nor as 'Locke'd in as Island-Locke. We get a man in a wheelchair who hasn't completely given up hope- a hero of a different color. (BTW- When speaking with Boone on the plane-- Did Locke go on the WALKABOUT or was he just being good ol' John Locke the sad guy living a fantasy with his make believe girl... etc.)

Either way last nite was a reunion show of sorts... the writers gathered up, gave us a glimpse, and then kissed-off all tertiary players. We are left with the core of the Lost cast.

Anyway, more questions-- I'm lost.

edit-the book Desmond was reading... here is a linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haroun_and_the_Sea_of_Stories I found the synopsis very difficult to understand... but if you skip down to a section entitled, Places it became a lot more interesting and understandable.

2010-02-03 16:32:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Mind blown.

I too was confused with the entire parallel universe plane sub-plot. I didn't mind it, but I have no idea where they're going with that.

Jacob's nemesis is getting some REALLY interesting back-story. Rock, if you're reading, I'm still blown away; you were right about him being Smoky. I am really intrigued to see what will happen between him and the others, and what he considers as "home".

I love how Sayid just rose from the dead and was like "Wat?". I'm so glad; for a second I thought they killed him off. Juliet's death was expected, as you mentioned, Comph. I really don't care for the love portion of this though. It's too unstable. If I could guess, Sawyer's going to take Kate as a consolation prize of some sort.

I'll provide more commentary when I'm better oriented.... I also started writing this last night, so if I seem redundant, I apologize; Ihave not read your posts.

2010-02-04 00:28:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

Just want to say that it was incredible. They blew me away, and I think they did a fantastic job. I was really nervous in the first few minutes, not liking it so much, thinking they were going down the reset route. But then with both going on, I think how they're doing it is genius and very gripping.

A couple quick points:

- Jack recognizing Desmond doesn't seem to be the stadium thing. Desmond would have reciprocated the recognition, especially when they introduced themselves to each other. Either it must be that Jack is for whatever reason having Deja Vu, or something else changed that Jack saw Desmond at another occasion in the past.

- Smokey/Man in Black seriously scares me, but he's so awesome. http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/a/ac/6x01_Go_home.png

- AMAZING scene between Locke and Jack in the alt timeline.

- I don't think Jacob has 'taken' Sayid's body. I think it is Sayid himself.

- Juliet must have been flashing in a similar way to Desmond and Minkowski after being exposed to electromagnetism, in the Constant. She says something like "we should go get coffee". This isn't my own original theory, but I agree with those that say she was flashing back and forth between the present and a time in the alternate timeline where she met Sawyer at some point.

- Kate and Claire in the same car, Claire presumably pregnant and going to give up her baby. Will they bond, and Claire will give the baby to Kate? ie, the universe course correcting what originally happened.

- I'm so stumped on the underwater island, so I'll throw out the best I've got. Thinking of the island as kinda like a wormhole almost, with the exotic energy on the island holding that wormhole together and open, the nuke might have negated the energy (like Faraday said) and the island essentially disappeared or imploded. However, I'm not sold on my own theory because if that were the case I'd find it hard to believe everything is still in place underwater.

2010-02-04 03:42:00

Author:
hilightnotes

Posts: 1230

Charles Widmore was still the leader of the others, a job that was usurped away from him. He is crazily obsessed. He would never stop looking for it (the island)... probably beyond even his own death. Especially if he had no notice the island done blown up. As far as we know that rich s.o.b. could be sponsoring 25 races in every Ocean just as a way of mapping out where the Island is not.

I think its important to remember here that Desmond never rejects the idea Jack and he have met... he deflects by making an embarrassed little joke...thats quite different from saying, "I think your outta your gourd brother!" and he suspiciously does disappear.

Desmond, a military man has obviously always kept himself in very good shape... he could have been training in the stadium for a myriad of different reasons--same as Jack. Including, well hold on for a sec, that stadium scene always struck me as surreal, I mean what were the odds? Chance meeting. Now again, chance meeting. Suppose the stadium meeting was no more real than the LAX plane meeting. I like the idea of realities bleeding through a lot but even more, suppose Desmond is like Jacks constant or atleast a little Dharma Initiative angel on his shoulder. Eloise Hawking did say Desmond's part wasn't done... suppose she had special instructions for him just as she had for Jack? Desmond knew Jack before the island, on the island, off the island, and now with no island,

Well its 5:49 am and I need sleep, judging by this post... alot. Note to self, lack of sleep and Losterizing don't mix!

2010-02-04 11:12:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

I came up with a new theory, and I think it's spot on

Rather than retype the whole thing I'll paste it from where I posted it in a couple other places:

For three days, I have been trying to come up with even one sensible theory on how the island could be underwater in the alternate timeline. It just seemed odd, because we ALWAYS have at least some capability to theorize, but in this case every theory I had read or thought of myself had a huge hole in it.

But now I've got it. I've really got it.

...I think

Right so, I'll lay it down first and then bring a whole bunch of proof-ey kinda things.

The island is NOT underwater. It APPEARS to be underwater. I'm not an expert on the science of it all, but the two possibilities I see are a) the electromagnetic properties of the island create an illusion, or b) thinking of the island as being at the other end of a wormhole, the island appears to be underwater until you pass through the 'wormhole' to get to it.

Despite being very theoretical, I think b) is more likely and I'll quickly expand on that a bit before giving proof.
Exotic matter, theoretically, is what scientists believe could be used to stabilize the opening of a wormhole (essentially a rip in space-time). This way one could technically go through the wormhole and end up, in this case, on the island. To get to the 'real' island, then, you need to get into the wormhole - hence the bearing and all that jazz. If you didn't go through this wormhole, all you would see is what appears to be underwater ruins and structures and such.

So, how about some proof?

- The US Army: They found the island by coincidence. How would this be possible when you need an exact bearing to reach it? Thinking of the wormhole opening like a dome, the dome would presumably end at the water's surface. And in the 1950s, they would have been traveling around a lot in submarines, especially post WWII. It was still coincidence (perhaps mixed with some Jacob-influence), but they didn't need the exact bearing because they went under the dome, and surfaced within it, thereby bypassing the need for any bearing to get through the dome.

- DHARMA subs: building on that, DHARMA used the sub as it's only form of transportation on and off the island, because it was much easier and safer than the bearing method. They used the lamp post station to find where the island would be, went there underwater by sub, and resurfaced within the 'dome'.

- Desmond could not escape the island on his boat, because without the correct bearing or an underwater vehicle, he could not leave the dome/wormhole/snowgloble.

- The freighter folk said that they thought they were in the middle of nowhere on the water, when suddenly (following Faraday's bearing), they saw the island one day. This is because they had passed through the dome using Faraday's bearing, and suddenly could see it.

- The event window: Ajira Flight 316 was flying along just the right path to get through the bearing, and Frank found himself going from a naturally clear ocean view to suddenly seeing the island.

So, what does all this mean?
Well, basically it means that in the alternate timeline the island still exists, minus the swan hatch (or with some changes to it). This also makes a lot more sense, because assuming the universe course corrects, it would be kinda impossible to course correct the disappearance of the whole island underwater.

So, essentially, the underwater island we see is a kinda warped view of the island, and is how the outside world would perceive it (if they went and looked underwater there), until they go through that wormhole/dome.

2010-02-05 00:47:00

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hilightnotes

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O-o So you're saying the island is basically just really underwater?

Well... somehow I kinda don't doubt it.

As for Desmond, I was thinking that the nuke blast destroyed everything on the island, including Charles Widmore... meaning that Desmond in that timeline is just a man, and he never even knew Penny because Penny doesn't even exist.

then again maybe the nuke blast didn't kill everyone, kinda a weird theory...

Anyway, the Man in Black is the Smoke Monster. I knew it to be so since it was kinda obvious.

However, this really makes Eko's death one of the most memorable moments on the show in hindsight.

Yemi/The Monster/ The Man in Black believed that people would always end up the same- "evil". Eko, however, had gone through so much, yet still somehow became a force of good, which directly opposed the Man in Black's theory about mankind. Unable to deal with this, the Man in Black just got rid of the flaw in his theory- someone who went from bad to good.

Kinda awesome since it's one of those things where someone believes mankind is beyond hope, and unable to deal with the afct that there IS some good in people. I unno, that's just now one of my favorite parts in the entire show if you look back in hindsight

2010-02-05 00:56:00

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RockSauron

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@Rock, How did a nuclear explosion in 1977 destroy Charles Widmore leader of the others in the fifties, 1/2 a globe away in the seventies, and still quite alive in the 21st century?

@Hilightnotes, I like your thinking and encourage you onward-- but if that were the explanation for why 'the island was definitely underwater' I would be upset. There were scallops and barnacles growing all over swingsets and four toed feet. Also the camera started in the depths, and then 'swam' (really did feel like sharkcam at the start) through New Otherton and the did the dramatic hi-speed zoom out across to the other side of the island... conceivably passing through your 'bubble'. At some point if you were right we should have seen through the illusion of the wormhole... or else the creators of the show are just cheating.

No it looked to me as if the island; which really could be more machine than island, simply sunk and remained submerged for 30 years. The really inconceivable part is the lack of deformity in structures... especially if a bomb exploded.

I think the LOST creative team was just trying to delineate "In this future we are seeing" [LAX] (timeline) "the oddity that is the island will not be a factor [for this flight of people] because..." (Answer) "it's sitting on the bottom of the ocean-- right where it should be-- waiting to be discovered by man... yet again-- to watch it all play out again. It's not going to end-- its just this round of the eternal fight between dark and light... it's progress.

2010-02-08 07:13:00

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Gravel

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Well, in this alternate timeline he needn't be well alive in the 21st century.

Wait... ok, sorry, I guess my memory is fading... I guess he wasn't on the island back in the Incident, so hence he wouldn't have died? :/

Well, anyway... In this world... The monk in the episode Catch-22 that Desmond joined the convent of right before he met Penny had a picture of Eloise Hawking and him. So I think he was "meant" to meet Penny since that was what was in Faraday's journal and Eloise was trying to make it happen... or something. But yeah, in this alternate timeline there would have been no need for him to meet Penny (especially since Eloise would have died in the explosion since that's what I'm basing this whole thing off of), so he probably wouldn't have met Penny... unless he did, and it was his "Destiny" to be with her. I unno. :/.

Anyway, anyone see what the name of the next episode is?

What Kate Does

I'm assuming it'll be Kate's Flash Sideways, as she escapes from the law in this alternate timeline.

2010-02-08 11:27:00

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RockSauron

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hate kate. she's a bit.... is that ten characters?

2010-02-08 21:54:00

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Gravel

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Okie pokie so a bit of odd trivia some people may be interested in:

On the LAX-timeline flight, Rose was the one who comforted Jack and told him it'd be OK etc., whereas it was Jack to Rose the first time

Rose should still have cancer...

When the man in black/Smokey turned into the smoke, one of the "good guys" (can't remember who) sprinkled ash in a circle. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the Devil supposedly cannot enter circles. Smokey=Devil? Or at least the manifestation of malicious intent that became the Devil in Christian Theology.

When the leader of the temple saw Sayid was finally dead (but not really), he said, I think, "Koro****a", which, from my limited knowledge of Japanese, translates to "killed". He doesn't specify who killed him, so it could legitimately be that HE killed him, or that smokey did, or that the shooter did.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why the stewardess and the two kids were accepted into the temple so readily?

2010-02-08 22:25:00

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dawesbr

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Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why the stewardess and the two kids were accepted into the temple so readily?

don't you remember? They became Others way back in Season 2 or 3. The people at te temple are Others... "Other" Others. Thus, they are with their Other brethren :/

Kinda odd that Ben was supposedly their leader and he had no clue about the Man in Black, or any of this it seems like- he really was just a lost little boy making it seem like he knew what he was doing

2010-02-08 22:28:00

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RockSauron

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Okay, after lots of discussing all day long at school (

), I feel like I'm starting to get somewhere. So here's some shtuffs that basically outline my predictions for some things that I feel will be important in the final season.

- First of all, Widmore WAS on the island in '77 when the bomb exploded. Thought I should point that out.

- I agree now my theory doesn't work that well. I read another theory that seems to make a little more sense (although it's still kinda wacky

). The island has huge amounts of exotic matter, and is presumably emitting a whole bunch of electromagnetism. Now, the earth's core also emits an electromagnetic field. Perhaps, the reason the island could actually 'move', is because it wasn't actually attached to the Earth's crust. It was kept afloat from the massive amount of electromagnetism pushing against the earth's output. It stays on the surface of the water thanks to surface friction. Now, when the bomb goes off, it does exactly what Faraday said it would. The energy is negated, the island no longer outputs electromagnetism, and it starts to sink. With everyone already in evacuation mode, many people or maybe everyone survives. The island slowly sinks to the bottom of the ocean, everything still rooted into the ground.
I think it actually makes a lot of sense!

- The dead. Appearances of the dead have been scattered throughout the show. With the most recent episode you might be inclined to think that these can all be explained by the Smoke Monster. But they can't. Here's some examples: Jacob, Ben's mom (who died OFF the island), Christian Shepherd (could be smokey, but I don't think so), Ana Lucia (appears to Eko right after her death, in a dream), Yemi (also appears in that same time. Later, Yemi appears to be the Smoke Monster, but here he may not be b/c he is in a dream only).
There is a very fascinating conversation when Ben escapes DHARMA as a young boy to find Richard, who tells him to wait. In this conversation, Richard asks what's wrong. Ben says "you wouldn't believe me". Richard says "try me". Ben explains how he saw his dead mother, and Richard asks if she died on or off the island. Ben responds "off", and Richard is very surprised.
This to me is clear indication that a) Richard knows about the Smoke Monster taking the form of dead islanders and b) the dead appear to have some sort of physical presence sometimes.
This also interestingly parallels the recent scene between Jack and Locke in the parallel dimension where Locke asks "what's wrong", Jack responds "you wouldn't believe me", Locke says "try me", and Jack explains how they lost his dad's coffin/body. Locke proceeds with words of wisdom saying they may have lost his body, but they couldn't know where he's actually gone (ie the spirit).
Most of all, we now have Hurley who appears to consistently see the dead.
Anyways, my point in all of this is that I think the dead will play a large role in the final season. I think Christian Shepherd is NOT the monster, but is in fact a dead man walking so to speak. I also think the person in the cabin was neither Jacob nor Smokey, and was in fact a dead person 'caught' in between worlds or something to that effect.
Interestingly enough, Christian seems to be helping Smokey, telling Locke he will have to die, that it's a sacrifice. Interestingly enough, in I think it is Mayan culture, suicide and sacrifice were both honoured ways of dying. I think this will come into play somehow, and perhaps we will find either Smokey is the good guy, or Christian is really working against him.

- The war. I believe that the underground section of the temple is Egyptian, and above that is the Mayan temple. I think that the Mayans came after, and took over the Egyptian regime, building on top of their temple/pyramid. This is why we have a mix of cultures. I think that both groups believed in Jacob and Smokey as Gods. I think that Smokey will now convince Richard to wage war against the Temple Others, and this will be the war.

- The universe is course correcting. I think we're going to start seeing that clearly in tomorrow night's episode. Kate and Claire are in the same car. Claire is due soon. However, stress provokes early labour, and Claire's in a car with someone with a gun, aimed on the taxi driver's head. I think that Claire is going to go into labour in the taxi, and Kate, not wanting to stop for fear of being caught, will deliver Claire's baby just like she did on the island. Maybe we'll even see Boone die at around the same time.
Eventually I think the two parallel realities are going to merge.

Anyways, that was quite a bit

I'm probably completely wrong!!

2010-02-08 22:56:00

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hilightnotes

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Rock, I said WHY not WHEN! Seeing as the theory that seems to hold most ground with me about deaths etc. is Gravel's "Karmic cycle", whereby a character dies having had his or her perspective changed and his or her karma cycled - ie, Boone and Eko etc. Would the stewardess and the kids be accepted because they were the only ones who already had no regrets and no past karmic imbalances? That would explain away the idea that the kids were taken because they were kids, as Walt wouldn't have gone to the Others having had such issues with his parents in his off-island life.

What I reckon is, we have the original 815 that is going to crash. It crashes. Then, we have a different number of "timelines", each one based around each person. When that person comes to terms with their past regrets etc., the timeline moves them back onto the plane to the not going to crash version via their death, which doesn't crash. This happens for every single person individually, but the individual timelines merge together in one merged-together-timeline-soup/soufl?e dealy. I think the transition to Jack looking out the window then suddenly coming to his senses on the not-crash plane occurs just after Jack dies on the island, having finally come to terms with his father - perhaps a final confrontation between Christian and himself on the island (maybe with Christian being a manifestation of the new Locke).

2010-02-09 00:29:00

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dawesbr

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@dawesbro- I too noted Rose comforting Jack. The scene was 100% reversed. LAX Rose is a very different entity. Its hard to know completely-- because originally in the show we really don't know Rose and even less about Bern. But it seemed to me that the scene represented a woman at peace with her life. She wasn't running, looking for a miracle--just found what was important to her and holding on... she's dealing from a position of strength. Although she was obviously tired. She has attained something Jack has yet to... and she seemed to be reassuring him it will be ok--you'll make it. I really like your souffle theory. Them all joining the LAX TIMELINE in their own good time... you cant rush FATE. I would prefer thinking of it as THE TAPESTRY that JACOB WEAVES. A physical chord. Right now the timeline seems tenuous- but inevitable, however, as each of our losties lives join and intertwine you begin to see the pattern emerge and you have something so much stronger. The tapestry of Life. Jack will probably be the last on board the final piece to the puzzle, the tipping point! The final chord! Nice work.

Traditionally the others are 'interested' in kids--but I have given this little thought--I dont even remember when the stewardess became an 'other' in season 2 as rock said. Also these 'others' are different-- Don't forget, Ben called the smoke monster as a last stage of defense... I get the feeling, these 'others' would never do that.

HIghlightnotes-- I like your Kate prediction, think it's gutsy, might be on the money we'll see. I like your island following and held in check by magnetic forces... didn't really follow the war bit--I think it is simply a war between good and evil.

Christian Shepard's coffin and body landed on the Island. On this island the dead sometimes seemingly come back to life... I think when Jack chased down his dad on the island he was doing just that-- Chasing down a physical manifestation of his dead father. Subconciously working something out at the same time... I also believe that 'smokey/evil/maninblack' can assume the visage of the dead. John Locke is version 2.0. 'Smokey' upgraded to Locke 2.0 because it was the answer to his riddle, 'How do I kill Jacob?' Before that, version 1 was the guise of Christian Sheppard. Why Jacks dad? Who knows? Maybe it was just the freshest meat on the island-- he was comfortable posing as Jacob/for Jacob in the guise of Christian Sheppard in the cabin trying to sort things out. AND he did!

Don't forget it was Jacks' DAD who helped Locke off the island thus opening the 'loophole'. Not only was this Christian Sheppard creepy in an other-worldy way he knew things, he set the table, he knew Ben from the cabin... although he never may have felt the need to talk to him... he sure knew how to manipulate him.

And how much 'convincing' is it gonna take to make Riccardos wage war? Smokey obviously was responsible for him being in CHAINS last time-- either a prisoner or a dissident, Richard has little say in this affair-- he got his butt kicked.

2010-02-09 15:36:00

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Gravel

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Regarding Christian, here's why I don't think he could be Smokey: 1) He appeared off island to Jack 2) He appeared on the freighter to Michael right before it exploded.

I agree that he is a physical manifestation of the dead, but I don't think it's Smokey. I think it's literally a physical manifestation of the dead Christian Shepherd.

----

I've been posting videos of myself playing many different Lost themes on YouTube. I play them all by ear, on the fly, and I thought you guys might want to hear (ooooh a rhyme!

).

I have four parts uploaded now, and I'll upload a 5th as soon as I record it (hopefully tonight). Also, if you look at the description of each video I say which themes can be found in the video. So if you just want to hear a specific theme, look at the descriptions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeyjQQhKTfs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ikyeX5xiIk&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3qqW2X76HM&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIoEUrVkox0&feature=channel

If you want to hear any other of the Lost themes that I missed, let me know and I'll try to get them in the 5th video (or make a 6th

2010-02-09 21:11:00

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hilightnotes

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Ahahaha! VERY good episode, if I say so myself. We've gotten some theories proved now.

- The Others were eradicated. By the way Ethan became a normal civilian, we can assume the bomb ended their operations and they did not recruit further.
- Clair is now a part of the MIB's entourage. Next Rousseau?

The teaser for the next one promises a lot of answers, so we can look forward to many minds blown. This will be fun. I'll rant more tomorrow

Also, HIghlight, very nice playing! The first one was specially beautiful

2010-02-10 03:09:00

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Astrosimi

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- The Others were eradicated. By the way Ethan became a normal civilian, we can assume the bomb ended their operations and they did not recruit further.
I was assuming that the island had been destroyed by the bomb, and since Ethan was apparently from the island (Amy's child in season 5), he must have fled with everyone else only he never came back.

- Clair is now a part of the MIB's entourage. Next Rousseau?

Well, if that is true... then Kristian may just have been the MIB. Unless that actually WAS Kristian, and Kristian was all this time just a servant of Jacob or the MIB, and that he had Jack so he could do his destiny...

So yeah. Intriguing.

2010-02-10 14:05:00

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RockSauron

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Well, if that is true... then Kristian may just have been the MIB. Unless that actually WAS Kristian, and Kristian was all this time just a servant of Jacob or the MIB, and that he had Jack so he could do his destiny...

I'm pretty sure that the MIB pulled the same thing with Kristian that he did with Locke. Kristian's true body is probably around the island somewhere, with the MIB having assumed his form much like he did with Locke's corpse, to further his own goals.

2010-02-10 21:00:00

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Astrosimi

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true dat (10 characters)

2010-02-13 15:24:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Lost, for me is a reward.

I'm slowly becoming resigned to the fact that a show with such stellar promise- may in the end disappoint (that's just me--not necessarily you). No matter really, as far as other-worldy dramas go, LOST has been head and shoulders above almost everything... (Twin Peaks--that first season was pretty darn cool!)

Back to my point-- The shows so good it's re-aired the following week (an hour earlier) leaving me to assume ABC doesnt have anything that could garner that same market share.

LOST is a reward for me. I liked when it was on Wednesdays (it was on wednesdays right?) Hump-day! Have a reward. Friday would be fine... Congratulations, you made it to the end of the work-week, Here's your reward! But Tuesday?

It just seems so early in the week. There's some anticipation missing... No building of momentum. It's like weekend, crappy Monday, LOST.

I think it's to early in the week. Any thoughts or am I off-my-gourd?

2010-02-15 14:29:00

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Gravel

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I think you make a good point really. However, I'm certain ABC has their own agenda in mind, mainly trying to compete with FOX's floundering American Idol.

2010-02-15 15:46:00

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supersickie

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Aha! Normally I would have thought of that! but with the advent of the dvr, well it all seems a bit silly really... Like paying $120 bucks a month to watch televison... silly. Now if it were commercial-free... alas, sorry advertisers-- have to settle for the fast forward button...

Oh, btw, for any ad execs out there... million billion dollar idea #1... design commercials that make sense when forwarded through... where theres a will.... idk subliminal graphics when fast forwarded form message like buy-buy-buy!

This is second only to my idea to for the NBA. Their backboards are clear and reflective... they should project/ reflect advertising on them... ok don't like that... then the footage/hilights which always involve backboard and goal, that they sell or release to every TV station, could undergo a post-production process where they subliminally add in "Bud Light" reflections into the back board or even backwards! Just have to make sure it looks like it was in the arena, Its untapped advertising.... Million-Billion ideas. Somebody should hire me quick.

2010-02-15 20:36:00

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Gravel

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Also, why are you ever on a gourd? xD

2010-02-16 11:59:00

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moleynator

Posts: 2914

SEE... Friday sounds right to me! Except I know nobody is home on a Friday night making that kind of a bad choice if I want the show to make money... Also proud to say I have been gourd-free since '83!

2010-02-16 14:51:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Great episode tonight.

Look, my hopes get higher and higher each and every time they show "dead Locke". It doesn't even matter to me that he's in the ground at this point; that dude is coming back! Bury him six feet deep and I'll stop holding my breath, but you expect me to believe a resurrected Locke can't dig himself out of a foot or two of sand?! HA!

And Sawyer... talk about an impressionable pawn! A few points that I'd like addressed:

1. MiB is supposedly stuck in Locke's form when not appearing as "Smokey". Why?

2. Why did the MiB choose to appear as Locke in the first place? Are we thinking it's simply because Locke already commanded the attention of about half the survivors or was/is there a different/"greater" reason?

My thought at this point is that Jacob was the MiB's keeper in a sense. It was his duty to keep "Smokey"/MiB bound to the island and - much like what MiB told Sawyer - he was looking for suitable replacement[s] to "bear the cross". Now we just have to find out what is actually binding "Smokey" to the island now that Jacob is "dead"; to what end is Sawyer valuable to MiB? We're going to find out...

2010-02-17 03:32:00

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supersickie

Posts: 1366

Is it just me or is the ad for LOST supposed to say "THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS IS OVER, WE ARE GOING TO ANSWER SOME, BUT THEN ADD A CRAPLOAD MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT"

2010-02-17 03:48:00

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RipTlde

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Woah... they answered the meanings to the numbers!!! A question since season 1! That is so awesome. And we're now starting to get the big picture of what this season is about. Man I love lost xD I'm done theorising now though. I just want to sit back and enjoy the show

2010-02-17 11:02:00

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ryryryan

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Well, they showed that the numbers are each associated with a single survivor, but did they really say which each specific number means? That's what I'm waiting for...

2010-02-17 13:44:00

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supersickie

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Ok, the #'s were just jacobs' universal lottery. Each of our survivors is now associated with a number as the possible substitute. Presumably for Jacob as guardian of the island... (EXCEPT!) Correct me if I'm wrong... Kate? Now that's strange... she's always been the fly in the ointment.

Locke is not coming back. He is alive and well in the LAX timeline which tells me ultimately he will be fine... big picture. He might even get healed thanks to Jack... but his name done got crossed off. something tells me in the balance of things... (which is now obviously disturbed)... Jacob would write these names.... and one by one Smokey would foil him... tempting, disproving, and then ultimately crossing the name off in glee. (A small victory in a forever war.) So why is James Ford important to Smokey? Because he's on the list! D'uh. We now know thanks to ghost/child/Jacob that he can't outright kill sawyer... it might even appear he has to look out for him.... OR. Perhaps. If the black stone wants to leave the game board, but there has to be a black stone, who better than Sawyer to pick up the mantel and don the black hat. I think Sawyer though is a hero. When chips are down he always acts heroically. Sawyer will disappoint the MiB.

So as I posted earlier, LAX Hugo Reyes is hard for me to watch... Got more of it tonight. I think the viewer is being purposely manipulated into thinking Hurley is Jacob's substitute. I mean he struts through these scenes with other-worldy concern... he is now beginning to impact and intersect with the other LOST cast members... He sees/speaks with the dead... Yeah Hugo is being rammed down my throat as the answer which in Lost-terms mean he is not.

How would you like to have a class schedule that consisted of Teachers Locke & Linus right before lunch?

If we trust the temple 'brain-trust' Dogma/Lennon... (ok so I don't know the dudes name!) Sayid is infected. Scratch that name in my book. The will not be Sayid. He is a better candidate to replace Smokey... but idt that will happen either... I think Smokey will remain trapped eternally.

At this point it seems like a four horse race; Kwon (which one??? I say neither.), James Ford(nope), Reyes, and Shepard. Sheperard is the easy choice, but I think Jack 's purpose is a different one... sheppard to the castaways, last to rejoin the skyward LAX flock. But Jack serves the people-- not the island. To the question of Sheppard I ask which one? Could Claire and Aaron be included under that umbrella moniker?

"Ever in-motion, the Future." -Yoda.

Incidentally, I was watching lost re-wind... "Lockdown". It's was the episode where the hatch goes ape-poopy and pins Locke beneath a blast door only to be rescued by Henry Gale who in the end is proven not to be Henry Gale. THAT"S WHEN THIS SHOW WAS GREAT. I'm not sure about this current stuff... anyway In the episode Lockdown, the hatch lights go out to reveal all the Dharma stations (8 or 9) I believe in the shape of an octagon. All directing their attention to a giant "?" in the center. I guess we saw all the stations; swan, arrow, flame, pearl, looking glass, orchid, tempest... I can't include the lampost or Hydra as they are far to removed from the hatch to help form the octagon. But do we know what was at it's heart yet"?"

2010-02-17 15:52:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Ok i'll give you guys a small theory i have, just my opinion:

Jacob is really the bad guy and he wanted to cross everyone of his list so he would keep being the only guardian of the island or maybe he just wants to stop being the guardian and leave it to someone else

Man thats why i hate discussing LOST
Even though i've watched the series all the way back from 2005 my theories still suck compared to the rest
but maybe thats because i just gave up around season 3 because all my theories were already wrong

2010-02-18 02:44:00

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Racroz

Posts: 406

Only a few more hours... does everyone have their Lost caps on?

I'm super excited. Last week's episode was awesome!

On a side note... mrSC has a theory... Kwan had a 42 next to it. 42, anyone?

2010-02-23 22:27:00

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comphermc

Posts: 5338

Wait, what about 42? Being one of the numbers? All of them coorespond to the numbers O-o Or are you thinking Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy? Or what?

At any rate, can't wait. ^-^

2010-02-23 22:31:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Quickly, since I'm drained from my last post... I have a theory. The writers' of Lost 'jumped the shark' and were the last ones to know (besides you and me that is...) I can even point to when...

Season 2. show titled "DAVE". It was an absolutely brilliant episode that really fleshed out Hurley, and also did alot to warm us to the ignored character of "Libby". It is brilliant and builds and builds upon the mystery that is "LOST". Brilliant, right up to the very end... when the writers had to get so cute that they included Libby in a flashback sequence, calling in to question everything that had just taken place... It is the only LOST to end in such a way... and can never rationally be explained away without hurting the integrity of all that follows... The net result: was like three hours, wasted in the space of one. It took no cards off the table... and added a whole bunch more ( a newfound LOST tradition)... it failed to enrich the mystery... in its place, it called into question the validity of the mystery.

2010-02-27 19:09:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

cant be bothered to read all 21 pages XD
but I would like to say this I am also a BIG fan of lost

season 6 is very interesting so far XD
Im guessing you know where jacob is from ? if anybody doesnt, post, but i wont spoil things if you dont want me to

2010-02-27 19:49:00

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samalot

Posts: 591

What goes tikka tikka in the jungle????

ME

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2010-03-01 02:18:00

Author:
hilightnotes

Posts: 1230

Geez, that was pretty crazy. Sayid just... Lost it.

2010-03-03 03:06:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

Geez, that was pretty crazy. Sayid just... Lost it.
Ba-doom, TISH! (http://www.instantrimshot.com/)

Yeah, another one bites the dust, as they say.

2010-03-03 04:00:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

Well he was claimed... guess that's what they was looking at :kz:

To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed... It's starting to look more like Jacob and the MIB's conflict is over candidates they have, and less about the nature of men

I was hoping that the MIB was basically just trying to prove that humans are horrible at heart, and that that's why he killed Eko... seems more likely that it was more to do with their following or something. Yeah...

Ah well, maybe it'd get more like that later, I was just really hoping it'd be more of a struggle to determine the nature of man :/

2010-03-03 23:56:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Well I think the whole idea behind their struggle is that Jacob thinks men can be enlightened and redeemed, or some such, while MIB is more of the 'every man for himself' type, because people are corrupt by nature.
I think this debate is conveyed very intricately and I'm loving it!

2010-03-05 04:43:00

Author:
hilightnotes

Posts: 1230

are they still lost?

2010-03-07 09:33:00

Author:
flamingemu

Posts: 1872

are they still lost?

Technically no, some were found, but they decided to become lost again and caused another plane crash, killing a bunch of people and stranding them on another island where they can be forgotten abut.

So yeah, no, not still lost, they were found, but lost again... by their own FREE WILL :kz:

2010-03-07 13:50:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

And we see the science teacher that went "boom" in the first season (I think). I'm really hoping they can pull it all together, but we're running out of episodes and there's so much yet to cover. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Edit: Ben and his dad left the island? Seems Russo did the same...

Edit: Alpert has a death wish? WTF?!

Edit: *lights fuse* "Now, let's talk." What's next?!

Edit: WIDMORE!

2010-03-10 02:09:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

No horrible-looking submarine this time.

Really good episode, all ben episodes are great.

Jack/Richard was harrrdddcoooooooore

2010-03-10 03:06:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Edit: Ben and his dad left the island? Seems Russo did the same...

I think that she never went to the island in the first place. Going with the theory that the nuclear explosion created this alternate reality, and since Russo didn't come to the island till over a decade later, she couldn't have found it in the first place. As for Ben, he and his father were "unnecessary personnel", so they probably were evacuated by Chang during the lead up to the explosion.

At any rate... yeah. I like how they brought back Nicki and Paulo XD

2010-03-10 11:43:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

I think that she never went to the island in the first place. Going with the theory that the nuclear explosion created this alternate reality, and since Russo didn't come to the island till over a decade later, she couldn't have found it in the first place. As for Ben, he and his father were "unnecessary personnel", so they probably were evacuated by Chang during the lead up to the explosion.

At any rate... yeah. I like how they brought back Nicki and Paulo XD

Ah, you're quite right. I'm easily confused by this show's timeline; imagine that?! Great episode either way. Really hoping they up the pacing in the next few episodes.

2010-03-10 13:02:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

my theory for who MIB is

esau, from the bible. jacobs brother. i forgot the whole story but they have had an big argument.

ill post more if i read that section again

2010-03-11 20:55:00

Author:
samalot

Posts: 591

Have we seen "beta-verse" Faraday yet? Is it possible that he told Widmore about the island when he left on the sub in 1977?

2010-03-17 13:34:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

I don't know, but I'm super excited to learn more about Richard Alpert next week!

2010-03-17 16:09:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

Have we seen "beta-verse" Faraday yet? Is it possible that he told Widmore about the island when he left on the sub in 1977?

Um... what? Wasn't Widmore from the island originally?

anyway... that was the worst cliffhanger I ever saw

"We're going on the sub"

... wow. <_>. Like... yeah.

anyway, can't wait for the Richard episode next week. I assume it'll continue after the intro to the Incident, with the "Real" Man in Black and Jacob, since it can be assumed that was the Black Rock and Richard came on the Black Rock. Hm... I wonder if they just won't refer to the Man in Black's real name throughout his appearances next episode, or if we'll finally know his real name ;o.

2010-03-17 20:33:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

Um... what? Wasn't Widmore from the island originally?

anyway... that was the worst cliffhanger I ever saw

"We're going on the sub"

... wow. <_>. Like... yeah.

anyway, can't wait for the Richard episode next week. I assume it'll continue after the intro to the Incident, with the "Real" Man in Black and Jacob, since it can be assumed that was the Black Rock and Richard came on the Black Rock. Hm... I wonder if they just won't refer to the Man in Black's real name throughout his appearances next episode, or if we'll finally know his real name ;o.

Yes, Widmore was on the island before, but he obviously didn't know exactly how to get back thus all of the search parties. Faraday might have tipped him off as to how he could find it in the future. There could be a number of reasons as to why Widmore doesn't get to the island until 2007.

They very well could go all episode without naming MiB. Is it strange to anyone else that we're making such a big deal out of knowing what this dude's actual name is? Going to be a real bummer if he turns out to be just some guy named "Rusty".

Or maybe "Clover"?

2010-03-17 21:53:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

stupid episode.
next weeks should be amazing though.

2010-03-17 22:44:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I'm hoping his name is actually Essau.

2010-03-17 22:58:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

i don't like to come up with theories about shows. i'm always disappointed (if a little smug) when my ideas turn out to be true.

2010-03-17 23:15:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

i don't like to come up with theories about shows. i'm always disappointed (if a little smug) when my ideas turn out to be true.

A little smug?!

2010-03-18 05:03:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

okay, i try to contain my smugness. there's usually no small amount of fist pumping... silent fist pumping.

2010-03-18 05:22:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

This made me chuckle:

http://i49.tinypic.com/2d0nldx.jpg

2010-03-23 16:38:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

LMAO! That's brilliant!

Can't wait for "Ab Aeterno"! I'm expecting answers by the bucket full!

2010-03-23 16:55:00

Author:
Rhys125

Posts: 841

Lost comics!
http://i41.tinypic.com/20sg6eb.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/vpw5n4.jpg
warning for language (http://i42.tinypic.com/m7fknt.jpg)

2010-03-23 20:07:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I'm calling it: Tonight, during a flashback, there will be a scene with Richard, the MIB, and Jacob. Then, it will end with one of them calling the MIB... Christian.

Then cut to commercial.

I'm calling it right here. Oh yes I'm calling it. If I'm RIGHT, someone owes me something. I unno who and I unno what... But I'm calling it :kz:

2010-03-23 23:24:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

I'm calling it: Tonight, during a flashback, there will be a scene with Richard, the MIB, and Jacob. Then, it will end with one of them calling the MIB... Christian Essau.

There... that's my prediction.

2010-03-23 23:33:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

But my prediction actually means something

My prediction means that all along, the MIB was Jack's dad... somehow... in some crazy way.

Your method just ties it to the Bible in some fashion. MINE WILL BLOW MINDS. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Blow those minds

2010-03-23 23:36:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

You're wrong, what do I win now?

Also, amazing episode, perfectly strange. Next week looks Sun-centric. yyeahhhhh! she's a bamf

2010-03-24 03:11:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Oh, I forgot to mention! My girlfriend very astutely noted something in last night's episode (she amazed me!). When Jacob grabs Richard [Ricardo] and nearly drowns him in the water, you can't help but treat that as a baptism. It seemed like that was a turning point for Richard, and he was, in essence, baptized by Jacob. Now, if only we knew who in the hell Jacob is!

2010-03-25 05:09:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

Now that you mention it, yeah, how could I have missed that? I really wanna rewatch the previous 5 seasons now but I haven't the time...

I found the reason that the black rock sits in the middle of the jungle disappointing. I thought it would have something to do with the island being underwater in the season premier. I guess the producers ran out of good ideas? "So, how DID the Black Rock get all the way out there?" "...a giant wave, duh."

2010-03-25 11:50:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

What are we down to seven episodes now?

Yeah the Ricardos love was nice-- and it was interesting to travel back to... (whatever the year) but really I didn't think much of it. With the limited amount of eps left I didn't need a Richard episode when there are so very many questions to answer... Stick to the core!

(Richards' story could have been explained in two or three lines of reflective dialogue. Not to mention I don't believe for one second that a man; who has seen it all, living for centuries, would lose it the way Richard has... It goes completely against his character on the show... even with the backstory, and when you factor in he's gonna bounce back to the old Richard anyway... it doesn't add-up.)

Specifically, what is going on? Has the show gone daft? I mean these flash sideways to the LAX timelines are a complete waste of time... Official: This is what would've happened had the plane not crashed... but there's inexplicable cracks in time!!! Jacks got a kid; NO, NO, NO, NO. Sawyer an LA Police detective (who did prison time mind you-- and helps federal prisoners escape in International Airports... NO, No, no! They're botching it up!

What I've learned this final season... The losties are alive... I hate the whole Widmore story! Good thing he didn't wait one more year to find the island... The Island is one big electro magnetic anomally that acts as a bottle which houses collects stores and attracts "EVIL" (right up dubya's alley) and Jacob was the cork to that bottle. So tell me this If Jacob believes in free-will and that humanity will ultimately-- through progress, 'make the right call" Why does he have to house the evil in the first place? Why collect individuals to play games if its all for naught? By jacobs own beliefs... his own existance is obsolete and uncalled for.

Oh, and the 'rogue wave' (looked bad) destroying statue and parking the Black Rock jungle-bound... very, very, weak. Writers' tidying-up!

Reminded me of this tbh...

http://adisneymeetings.disney.go.com/media/dwm/en_US/media/disneyadvantage/typhoonLagoonWaterPark.jpg

2010-03-25 20:33:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Really? You didn't think Richard was worth an episode? He was absolutely fantastic.

This episode answered a ton of questions, huge ones, also, I dunno what the hell you're talking about.

And lastly, the flashes sideways are great. I'm not sure if you're getting this or not but it's basically a totally different timeline... that's why Jack has a kid, and Sawyer is a cop. The writers know exactly what they're doing. If you say they're 'botching it up' you are obviously missing something.

2010-03-25 20:47:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I haven't 'poked' my head in here with my 2 cents before although I have been watching your progress but I am inspired to act:

I totally agree monstahr (no offense Gravel) I have loved everything so far this season.

Some thoughts of my own:

As I said to a friend while watching "If they gave us too much we would have figured out what was going on and the 'mystery' we all love so much would be spoiled"

So we give just a dash of truth...then sprinkle in a bunch of uncertainty, ask a few new questions, lay some ground work for a final big bang reveal! That is a recipe for a series ender!

And I'd say they are right on track!

Just my humble opinion

2010-03-25 21:14:00

Author:
AJnKnox

Posts: 518

I do have a problem with goodbyes... Perhaps, I'm just trying to subconsciously protect myself...

But speaking to your point monstahr, could you Please, give me one huge question that was definitively answered last night? You said it and I'm waiting-- because I did miss that? How the statue broke? The Black Rock? Hardly huge. Footnotes in a character study. Funny, I remember the Black rock anchored off shore in crystal clear waters... rogue wave seems a little convenient... So Jacob calls it forth so the crew can be savagely murdered? I guess we did learn about the manner in which Jacob operates... but I didn't need Richards' love story for that... I already knew he arrived via the Black Rock in chains... so that's hardly news. As stated earlier, The Richard episode was nice, I liked it--but I'd prefer more core.

And why I'm on the topic of poor writing... This llana character, the Russian Mummy. Boy, if she isn't a LOST writer's wet dream! Mysterious. Wrapped in bandages. Chosen by Jacob. 100% worst lost character ever-- a complete Deus Ex Machina plot device to help weave this self-enforced deadline. She's ridiculous really and her acting, when she had the rifle trained on a grave-digging Ben was much the same.

This ending which seems to be marginalizing the Survivors, the Dharma Initative, the stations, the others, Ben, and most importantly the Island...

For five seasons it's been a character study of the survivors... A character study in which the Island itself was the chief character!

In its' final season I feel like that's been LOST.

2010-03-25 21:30:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

2010-03-25 22:08:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Yeah, we finally know the island's purpose. Whether or not you enjoyed the episode as a whole... the scene with Jacob and Richard was the biggest question I've heard answered in a long time.

2010-03-25 22:11:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

oh yeah, and Ilana is hardly the worst LOST character ever.

remember Nikki and Paolo?

2010-03-25 22:16:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Now, maybe I have been playing God of War III too much as of late, but I say that the island is actually Pandora's Box and the MIB is the evil that is contained in said box. Jacob could be the key to keep the box locked or whatever. Can't wait for Kratos to show up during the finale!

2010-03-25 22:17:00

Author:
Spider-Jew

Posts: 1090

Yeah, we finally know the island's purpose... the scene with Jacob and Richard was the biggest question I've heard answered in a long time.

As long as your willing to believe Jacob I suppose... I can accept that... although outside of LBP I haven't found many islands with giant gearboxes in em... So I'm still not even sure I can call 'IT' is an island... and your right compher (as usual)-- I really am not a fan of the dark vs light forever war. It just doesn't make a lot sense to me. Jacob's need to bottle-up the evil even though he has ultimate faith in mankind really seems silly-- not to mention their world isn't exactly an eden. There's war, and death, and torture, and abuse upon abuse. so what doe MIB represent exactly?

Now if he's some sort of plague? the apocolypse? I get it! but, just evil? c'mon. Also, all the talk about Hell, and going to Hell... seems silly to me. I was really hoping for a more mythological than theological conclusion.

2010-03-26 05:02:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

I really am not a fan of the dark vs light forever war. It just doesn't make a lot sense to me. Jacob's need to bottle-up the evil even though he has ultimate faith in mankind really seems silly-- not to mention their world isn't exactly an eden.

Gravel, while I disagree with you about the Richard episode and the flash sideways bits, I'm right there with you with Jacob. I've found the reasoning behind his actions thus far to be rather lackluster. That's why I think, in the end, Jacob nor than MIB will be the "correct" side. I think they are both screwed up.

2010-03-27 22:45:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Gravel, while I disagree with you about the Richard episode and the flash sideways bits, I'm right there with you with Jacob. I've found the reasoning behind his actions thus far to be rather lackluster. That's why I think, in the end, Jacob nor than MIB will be the "correct" side. I think they are both screwed up.

I also mainly disagree with Gravel, but I share the "Is this the good guy? really?" viewpoint towards Jacob (although I will admit he can kick some BUTT). I also agree that Ilana is not a very good character.

But I for one LOVED this episode. The whole backstory, the reintroduction of the MIB's original struggle against Jacob.... it was fantastic.

2010-03-28 22:27:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

Gravel scrambles to rally some troops!

There's no reason to be against me boys! We can all work together. I would just like to mention... if Richard's episode would have happened last season--I would have loved it! If the episode would have aired, and I lived under a rock unaware of the end of 'LOST', I would have loved it. Good byes are tough... and generally forever. In a month or two, you will never see; Jack, Sayid, Kate, Jinn, Hugo, James, John, or Ben, ever again. There will be no ever evolving mystery. No more, what Kate did or didn't do. That is where my heart lay. Richards' ep. was paced well, had nice emotional pay-off and 'humanized' Richard in a way that didn't at one point and time seem possible.

For me, Lapidese and the survivors, on the beach, around a camp/signal/raise-our-spirits/fire ring. That's where the show should be for all the remaining episodes. Richard's tale could have been told a myriad of different ways... even leaked out over the last two seasons... afterall, we got that episode because Richard is not integral to the story. He was not a featured player. He didn't get his own flashes... The show could have ended (for me) not knowing Richard's wife died of tuberculosis and he murdered a self-important doctor who cared little for the patients he tended. Additionally, I fail to understand his motivations for 'losing it'. Why does Jacobs' disappearance spell the end of all rational thought for Richard? Couldn't this too be part of the grand design? Why oh why after close to two centuries of confidence does Richard lose his faith now? THATS, what disappointed me about this particular episode-- I could see the writer's invisible hands... and I'm not suppose to!

Blatant Symbolism Alert! Front and center this episode (possibly too much for me). As all ready mentioned, there was Richard being born again in Jacob through the baptism... Science tossing aside religion as "worthless". Corrupted self centered science. Corrupted religious figures. The love of the physical over spiritual wealth. The trafficking of human souls. The smoke monster in the absence of Jesus. "Smokey" doesn't appear until impending impaling... Richard subconciously reaches for his wifes' crucifix around his neck... and just then, in the moment of shock that it is not there..... AHRooo-rhooo! Here's Smokey! There's loads more too this episode... I liked how Smokey 'saved' Richard for his purposes exactly as Jacob does... He just far less subtle in his thinking. (Until John Locke that is... Smokey a quick study) Also liked the pulling the crucifix out of thin air... (releasing a hold on Richard? An 'Un-claiming' if you will...) The giving back of 'The Cross" is probably the biggest symbol of the show... because he doesn't give Richard anything back at all... His Faith, or the symbol of that Faith, Richard possessed all along.

The MiB army will fold immediately. All he has are women, children, and fear. Hardly the makings of an "Army". He really only has two people who have actually chosen to fight for him... Claire & Sayid.

Finally, in case you didn't know, sometimes I OVER-state my beliefs in an attempt to stir the kettle or discussion. No harm meant.

2010-03-29 09:22:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

what the heck you wrote so much. aaahhhh.

so... you play the devil's advocate? tricky *******. >:0

2010-03-29 13:39:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

It's Pandora's Box! I know it!

2010-03-30 00:18:00

Author:
Spider-Jew

Posts: 1090

Lost is getting ridiculous now! I can't believe it was Nikki & Paolo locked in that room on the submarine!

2010-03-31 18:40:00

Author:
Rhys125

Posts: 841

I still believe it has something to do with aliens. The statue makes me believe it since it's not human. Maybe Jacob was a normal human himself until aliens gave him powers and the whole island is for alien experiments.

2010-04-01 15:47:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

What's up? no longer inspired? Desmondo huh? big shock there... Apparently the "Island isn't done with Mr. Hume just yet".

2010-04-02 00:05:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Yeah... gotta admit, that episode did not really grab me. Disappointing. I knew it was gonna be a Sun-centric but I thought it might be more badass. Sun was badass last season - i.e. her gun-wielding confrontation with Ben.

2010-04-02 06:13:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I liked the episode, but then again, I'm actually a fan of the flash sideways scenes. I know a lot of people just aren't into them, but I think they'll eventually combine with the 'on island' reality or something, so I interested to see how that plays out.

And Gravel, no one is on your case man! Some people (including myself) disagreed with you on a few points about the Richard episode, but agreed with you about other things. Not sure why you think we're all against you here!

2010-04-02 15:22:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

I like the flashes sideways, but I think they could have done more with it.

2010-04-02 16:00:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Like what?

2010-04-03 18:49:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

I mean in this last episode specifically.

If I fastforwarded through those parts it wouldn't detract from the episode, it probably would make it better. It was just... really boring. And then Sun got shot.

2010-04-04 00:19:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Oh, I see. Hmm, I don't know why but I really liked it. I guess I really find it interesting how things are playing out differently in the flash sideways world.

2010-04-04 04:26:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

I'm not that 'touchy' Mr.SC...trust me! I've been hurt 2x on LBPC. Once when my F4F level showcase got 2 responses... (don't like to talk about that!), and once when I was unfairly hit with an infraction by CC (Oh, i'd love to talk about that one especially now that I have to stare at the stupid infraction tab everyday) ... this stuff is all just fun. I was waiting for Desmond to get back... poor Penelope, poor Desmond, poor everyone... Smoke locked in my eyes VS. Charles, "you're not worth my brandy" Widmore-- talk about a rock and a hard place... I'm gonna be rooting for the losties to Destroy God, both dark and light, and leave this here world to us mortals and our ever-changing shades of grey.

2010-04-06 10:40:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

Anyone who says they're not a fan of the flash-sideways should be eating their words now.

Wow, fantastic episode.

2010-04-07 03:03:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

i just said i wasnt a fan of that particular one.

That was FANTASTIC. Just like The Constant from last season. Ahhhhhhhh!

2010-04-07 03:05:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Ah, wasn't calling you out in particular, just making a point.

2010-04-07 03:26:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

mhm.
i guess i might just be in love with desmond.

i think we all are. but i really think that was one of the best episodes so far.

eloise is craaazaaaaaaay

2010-04-07 03:46:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Ya, that was realy awesome! I can't wait to see what will happen when he visits them all! Not long and we finaly see the big finally!

2010-04-08 01:01:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

I've all but stopped trying to make predictions regarding LOST. I have all kind of questions - and I'm fine with that - but it's become too difficult to tell a truth from a lie.

What did everyone think of last night's episode?

2010-04-14 15:24:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

I thought it was a pretty good episode, but I was totally lost by Desmond's action at the end there? Why the heck would he do that?

2010-04-14 16:03:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

I thought it was a pretty good episode, but I was totally lost by Desmond's action at the end there? Why the heck would he do that?

I think we're about to see "other world" Locke walk again.

2010-04-14 16:39:00

Author:
supersickie

Posts: 1366

I thought it was a pretty good episode, but I was totally lost by Desmond's action at the end there? Why the heck would he do that?

I don't know how to hide text for spoilers so I'll keep it as vague as possible!

I'm pretty Desmond was trying to give the character a glimpse of the original timeline in the same way he experienced.

2010-04-14 16:41:00

Author:
Rhys125

Posts: 841

I thought it was pretty good too.

But the reveal of the whisper secret thing was lame as hell!
"So dude is this why the whispers happen?"
"Yeah dude."
"Alright dude thanks."

2010-04-14 20:00:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Yeah, the whisper reveal seemed a little forced, but Hurley is kind of like that.

As for the rest of the episode, I loved it. Easily one of the best this season and it feels like the show is really picking up the pace. What you guys think of Ilana's demise? It caught me off guard, but I found it hilariously awesome. Ben's question about what will happen when the island is done with them was rather intriguing afterward as well...

In regard to the Desmond bit, it was shocking and at first I thought he was doing it because of MIB Locke throwing him down that well in the other timeline, but now I am thinking it's all part of his plan to reveal that timeline. Locke will have to go to the hospital.... hmm, I wonder who he'll run into there...

2010-04-15 06:34:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

I'm wondering if Ilana's death was like that of Nikki and Paulo - the fans didn't really like her, so she got offed?

2010-04-15 11:36:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Eyyyyyyy...don't talk about bacon.

2010-04-15 12:39:00

Author:
BasketSnake

Posts: 2391

I'm wondering if Ilana's death was like that of Nikki and Paulo - the fans didn't really like her, so she got offed?

I was on another message board where a lot of people were ticked off that she was killed. They all liked her and felt that she was starting to get developed more and more. That's why I thought the death was perfect. I didn't see it coming... at least not like that.

2010-04-15 15:37:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Yeah, the whisper reveal seemed a little forced

What you guys think of Ilana's demise? Ben's question about what will happen when the island is done with them was rather intriguing afterward as well...

In regard to the Desmond bit, it was shocking and at first I thought he was doing it because of MIB Locke throwing him down that well in the other timeline, but now I am thinking it's all part of his plan to reveal that timeline. Locke will have to go to the hospital.... hmm, I wonder who he'll run into there...

Well it's obvious Desmond through his unique electro-magnetic experiences can see reality for what it is... I think Desmond can 'zip' along, scout ahead... said he was the key (I think?) in my "Why Desmond Post"(ultimately wrong but maybe...). Would also seem Hurley has been unlocked... starting to fill up that plane... and yeah it seems like were all meeting at the hospital...

A lot of the 'reveals' have been weak/feel forced... But really still enjoying this show... Hate to say I told ya so! Llana... so pointless they blew her up. The funny thing for me was right before... she haplessly shoved something in her 'pocketbook' and I was like, "HOOOwha! Easy there Ardt!"

2010-04-15 19:00:00

Author:
Gravel

Posts: 1308

I honestly don't know whats going on half the show.

Like, I'm thinking Desmond is trying to get people that were on the island back together? Idk, cause Libby & Hurley were dating on the island, and Locke died. Iunooo.

2010-04-15 23:17:00

Author:
maxyay

Posts: 7

Great episode then, but it's almost going too fast now! D:

2010-04-21 16:48:00

Author:
ryryryan

Posts: 3767

There are still 10 minutes to go but this episode ****ing rocks.

2010-05-05 02:51:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Wow. Great episode, but very sad! I'll admit... I teared up a bit.

2010-05-05 03:04:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Sun and Lapidus, my two favs - I WEEP!

I had a terrible day but this really put my stuff in perspective... even if it is fiction.

2010-05-05 03:09:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I had a terrible day but this really put my stuff in perspective... even if it is fiction.

Whoa. Dude. Spoilers, please. I mean, I saw it already, and probably we all did, but you got to keep it safe.

On that note

I actually didn't notice that they'd left Lapidus back in the sub until after the episode finished. I was thinking about getting hit in the face by things, and then I remembered "No! They left Lapidus in the sub!"

Jin and Sun definitely take top place for saddest death(s) on the show, however.

2010-05-05 23:26:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

Oh. My. God.

And next weeks one looks to be a MASSIVE explaining ep too by the looks of the sneak peaks. YES! I CANNOT WAIT!

2010-05-06 03:28:00

Author:
ryryryan

Posts: 3767

Saddest episode yet ;-;

2010-05-06 17:27:00

Author:
Testudini

Posts: 3262

Thank god I understand english! xDDD Yeah that episode was really sad.

I wonder who else will die.

2010-05-06 17:41:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

Yeah it was awesome!! :O But.. i already knew everything.. my friend showed me some spoilers right before the episode.. >:|

2010-05-06 17:55:00

Author:
Kaboom

Posts: 172

Aww that sucks! Shoot him in the head!

2010-05-06 18:12:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

Hmm... I have conflicting feelings about tonights episode. I liked the content, but didn't care much for the execution. I'm really surprised that they didn't pump up the production values a bit more with this episode. It really could of used it.

Anyway, the actual content was pretty interesting. We got the reveal of the Adam and Eve skeletons and saw the birth of the Smoke monster. Pretty cool.

2010-05-12 03:30:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Was much better in the second half, after we didn't have to watch the bad child actors.

2010-05-12 03:32:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I didn't mind the kids, but I thought the mother was horribly miscast.

2010-05-12 03:46:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

She had her moments, which is more than the kids can say.

2010-05-12 05:58:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I'm rarely disappointed with episodes but I felt a little disappointed with this one.

I was expecting alot more answers...

2010-05-12 14:19:00

Author:
Rhys125

Posts: 841

whaaat? I loved this episode. I do wish it went a bit more in depth when MiB went into the light though. Still, loved that ep

2010-05-12 15:32:00

Author:
ryryryan

Posts: 3767

Wow... tonight is the last episode before the finale. I can't believe the end is almost here!

2010-05-19 00:33:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Yeah it really hasn't hit me yet.. I think last week's episode left me kinda disillusioned, I'm anticipating this week's Fringe finale much more.

I don't even know why, it's not really a better show.

Post-show update:
Okay, well, I'm eating those words now!

2010-05-19 01:37:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Yeah, that was a great episode and it has me pumped for the finale this weekend!

Oh and when Desmond was watching Locke cross the street did anyone else think... "Oh no, he's gonna run him over again!"

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9875/antilockebrakes.jpg

2010-05-19 04:10:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer

Posts: 1335

Antil-Locke brakes! That was brilliant! xD

Great episode! Much better than the last one!

Just 5 days until the final!

2010-05-19 10:04:00

Author:
Rhys125

Posts: 841

HAHAHA.

CSI Miami.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948&feature=related
That is perfect.

2010-05-19 11:50:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Huh? CSI? Well whatever, this one is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJSqkwyL1Zo&feature=related

Yeah, this episode was really interesting. I liked to see Ben as the backstabing traitor again and we finaly know why they have to stop Locke from achieving his goal.
So the last episode is airing on sunday? That means I can finaly watch it on monday! Can't wait!

2010-05-19 14:55:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

The hell? So, the other world was heaven, Jack dies, Hurley is the new Jacob...the hell!?!?!

2010-05-24 04:34:00

Author:
Testudini

Posts: 3262

I'll discuss this tomorrow when my PFSD wears off. For now, my only reaction to the whole thing is.

Wow.

2010-05-24 04:38:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

That was.... interesting.

2010-05-24 04:49:00

Author:
comphermc

Posts: 5338

THAT
WAS
FANTASTIC.

Would stay up for Kimmel's ******** but then again, no.

Best finale I've ever seen.

2010-05-24 04:52:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

Amazing ending!

I'm kinda glad that they didn't just answer everything in the finale, and used the time to focus on the characters.
When Lapidus and Richard were revealed to be still alive, I celebrated a little! lol

I have to admit, I shed a few tears at the Claire/Charlie and Juliet/Sawyer Realisation scenes.

2010-05-24 10:05:00

Author:
Rhys125

Posts: 841

So, does anyone know what the island actually is?

2010-05-24 15:32:00

Author:
Ragfell

Posts: 729

I was both extremely happy and somewhat disappointed with the finale. Overall, though, I really liked it.

I LOVED how the island story ended. The whole idea of popping the cork so that the smoke monster could be killed, and then plugging the cork back in to save the island was really awesome.

However, I really didn't like how the whole "side-flashes" had just been showing us what happened way in the future after everyone had died. I was hoping that the side flashes had some major point to them, but in the end, it seems that it was just so that there was a happy ending for everyone, making them pointless overall. The good news about the side flashes is that they seemed to imply that everything that happened on the island was real, and the last thing that I wanted to hear was that it was all fake or that it was hell or purgatory or something like that.

I'm pretty darn pleased with the finale, and even though the side-flash bit disappointed me, it certainly didn't ruin anything. It just seemed like it didn't matter much.

2010-05-24 15:58:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

Wow...I just watched it and I'm crying now. It was a really great ending and the last few minutes were really touching. I only wished they explained a few more things but I'm happy with it anyway. I will really miss Lost.

2010-05-24 16:43:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

ok ok my thoughts on this whole ending:

I think every single thing on the island was real
Dharma, Jacob and everything
because of 3 things:
1. Jack died on the bamboo forest
2. Penny was never on any danger so she couldnt have died so i think she died of old age with desmond when he returned from the island with the help of hurley and ben
and christian says there is no time in heaven so that's why it could work, 30+ years outside with desmond, penny, kate and sawyer = 0 secs on heaven
3. Hurley tells ben he was a good number 2, implicating they were alive doing jacob's old job and even if they lived for a long long time like jacob and richard it wouldnt matter because the people already on heaven couldnt notice because there was no time so even if they stayed alived for 100+ years till hurley found a succesor, it still works with the whole Real crazy island theory i'm proposing

anyway i loved the ending just cause it was all true and my fave character Desmond was alive
BTW who's gonna take care of Yi Jeon?! Any volunteers?

2010-05-24 21:05:00

Author:
Racroz

Posts: 406

At first, I was laughing- it seemed like such a weird and confusing way to end it.

Thinking more, I think the whole purgatory plot may have been relatively good. And I think this kinda redeemed this season which has been kind of lackluster TBQH.

Still, it doesn't compare to me with BattleStar Galatica's ending, which literally brings me to tears just thinking about it... Still, there wee worse ways to end it, and the whole "letting go" plot point kinda made sense... I guess.

Also, does anyone know where I can find those Lost picture comics that everyone keeps posting?

2010-05-25 01:13:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

That was awesome!
The ending was... i was crying! D:

2010-05-25 01:29:00

Author:
Kaboom

Posts: 172

I'm not sure if I just forgot it but did they ever say what that big statue with only 4 toes represented or where it came from? I understand everything except that! >_<

2010-05-25 01:53:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

I'm not sure if I just forgot it but did they ever say what that big statue with only 4 toes represented or where it came from? I understand everything except that! >_<
I heard it was some egyptian god thing? A god of fertility?

ah here we go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret
childbirth and fertility

not sure where it came from.. i guess it's just in line with the mysterious nature of the island itself.

2010-05-25 03:08:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

I can't remember when they said it. o.O When was it?

2010-05-25 04:07:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

The ending did a great job of giving the happy ending that the show needed, and explained everything from season six pretty well, but didn't answer a LOT of major questions from the first 5 seasons. Here's a few I could think of:

What was the interpersonnal connection to to Charles Whidmore sending mercenaries and a whole village of people that had nothing to do with the lives of people crashing their plane on the island?
What was the power of the numbers from?
atomic bombs?
polar bears?
killings?
kidnappings?
time travel?
Eloises contraptions?
Raising Daniel to perform formulas?
Why Ben was never able to see Jacob and wasn't given any counsel with Jacob?
Richard working with Ben and not Jacob for years?
Why the temple and its meaning and the death of all those people who again had no connection to the people on the plane?
Why the Dharma people were allowed to build hatches and drive around the island but the smoke monster didnt kill them. He simply let them drill and dig?
Why couldn't women have children on the island?
Why couldn't smokie leave the island (before he became smokie)?
What about the Dharma people & the button?!
What happened to Walt & Michael? And why did Walt get powers?
Man In Black's name?
What would have happened if he got off?
and um....Mr Eko?

2010-05-25 04:29:00

Author:
ApellesJr

Posts: 282

I can't remember when they said it. o.O When was it?

don't know but the statue looks like tawaret (as seen in Richard's episode, Ab Aeterno) so yeah

2010-05-25 11:54:00

Author:
monstahr

Posts: 1361

polar bears?
Man In Black's name?
and um....Mr Eko?

Polar bears http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Polar_bear
MIB was never given a name so there's nothing to reveal there.
Eko http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s10/lost/news/a221554/lost-character-refused-finale-spot.html

2010-05-25 16:10:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

don't know but the statue looks like tawaret (as seen in Richard's episode, Ab Aeterno) so yeah
Hmm if you are right I don't have any questions left I guess.

2010-05-25 17:05:00

Author:
Chrree

Posts: 554

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Statue_of_Taweret

2010-05-25 17:33:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot

Posts: 6728

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

that pretty much just describes my final reaction. /runs

2010-05-26 00:45:00

Author:
RockSauron

Posts: 10882

MIB was never given a name so there's nothing to reveal there.
Eko http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s10/lost/news/a221554/lost-character-refused-finale-spot.html

I just wish they had given him a name, and that sucks about Eko...he was awesome.

That video is amazing btw.

2010-05-26 07:32:00

Author:
ApellesJr

Posts: 282

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