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I have been thinking lately about LBPC having a site wiki, basically. Not just a level showcase as has been thrown around so often lately, but an actual site wiki about LBP. So, we would have articles about various LBP tools and tricks and such- for example, articles on various materials. And, of course, we'd be able to edit it ourselves, so we could keep it up to task- and, with us being such a great community, I'm not too sure about many of us ruining articles and such. I've done some digging around on vbBulletin's offical mod resource forum (I believe we're 3.7, am I correct?), and have only come up with one wiki hack that's supported. http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=191186 Now, from what I understand, this wiki hack doesn't add the wiki to the forum like the blog system is intertwined with the forum- rather, we need MediaWiki installed on the server, and this essientally just uses the same log in for Media Wiki as the forum. While I did see some other Wiki hacks that actually were part of the forum, none were offically supported, and I remember CC saying he only wants offically supported ones for the site. This sounds a bit like LittleBigCreation now that I think about it... though this would be more of a wiki with info about the game itself ideally... Hm... And oddly enough, a quick search of feedback only brought one topic about a potential wiki, and that was meet the staff, and I don't know what was in there that had the word "wiki" in it, but I didn't check... so this may be the first time someone suggested this :/. Ok, anyway... I have nothing more to say right now... I will just see what the people of this forum and the staff would want now.

2009-01-15 23:03:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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nice idea

2009-01-15 23:05:00 Author: Unknown User

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It would be pretty interesting, actually. I don't know much about Wikis, but they seem like they need constant moderation to keep information accurate and updated. Is there anyone here who's worked on a Wiki as a staff member before, and understands the moderation process?

2009-01-16 00:04:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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yea, unless you keep on top of it nearly 24/7 it can go way off base in a hurry you can set mod ques so each post/topic requires a mod/admin to approve it before its posted though

2009-01-16 00:06:00 Author: EvilTikiGod Posts: 159

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I wouldn't mind moderating it. I think you have the ability to revert things to the way they were before, and we can lock out "immature" members. I believe we also would have the ability to lock certain pages too. Forums can get pretty chaotic as well, and most immature people won't be interested. Perhaps we can lock it while we test it all out?

2009-01-16 00:17:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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yea you can lock it down until you feel like making it public

2009-01-16 00:18:00 Author: EvilTikiGod Posts: 159

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or give a handful of members the ability to change things in the testing. they can be like the beta testers kinda?

2009-01-16 00:19:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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http://www.lbpedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Story_Levels heres a wiki type site from another fansite its mainly just about story mode though

2009-01-16 00:30:00 Author: EvilTikiGod Posts: 159

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We'd need a bridge of some sort as well. I'll look into it, but it's not a guarantee that we'll do it. I'm worried we'll end up being compared to LittleBigPlanetGuide (http://www.littlebigplanetguide.com), something I'd like to avoid. I want the cornerstone of the site to be our community; I don't want our focus to change in any way.

2009-01-16 00:34:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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I think that in the long run, it'll simply be extraneous to what we are and more trouble than it's worth, or it'll end up looking unfinished and strapped for real content as any driving force left it, and it dropped dead there. It's a good idea, sure. But I really don't see it as being practical.

2009-01-16 01:09:00 Author: Mark D. Stroyer Posts: 632

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I think that in the long run, it'll simply be extraneous to what we are and more trouble than it's worth, or it'll end up looking unfinished and strapped for real content as any driving force left it, and it dropped dead there. It's a good idea, sure. But I really don't see it as being practical. That's the worry I have. Here's what we're going to do: I'm going to set everything up and open it up to staff and a few members. From there, we'll see how things go, and if it would be useful or not.

2009-01-16 01:16:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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hey sweet. I am currently working on a music level guide (going to make a level for this too ) and maybe this will be a welcomed thing to be added to the wiki! Cheers!

2009-01-16 01:37:00 Author: RAINFIRE Posts: 1101

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Hmm, I should hope that it would reduce the amount of threads coming up that are asking where a specific item in Story Mode is found. I say, the more stuff for this site the merrier. I don't think we'd be copying anyone. I mean, it's not like they invented guides or anything. And besides, we'd have creating tips that are sure to have derived from members of our site! All in all, I'd like to see this happen.

2009-01-16 02:30:00 Author: Unknown User

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Yeah Clank great opinion and i agree. There are unique... VERY unique things that members of this site have discovered. Such as how to make the best tank tread (kratos), and other stuff such as adding invisable dark matter and rubber, or invisible hazzrds (posted by your truly) and other stuff such as music choices, troubleshooting your level, good level work flow, etc. If we can make one of the best creation guides, with all of the major creators and major contributers of the site, We will be know for a great accomplishment. Now if we can combine that with some great single player guide... Even better (personally i think that if we do only the ultimate creation guide, we will stand ourselves apart and be more recognized and we have a less chance of the guide distracting from our community). Like i just said... the only drawback to this would be that there is a chance that it would distract from our community. Oh and it would need to be monitored 24/7. But i think that there is a solution to this. Those that post guides and would like them put up here and more info and such, they would be able to edit that information if needed, but all that info would be needed to be put in a thread first, and any other information from other users would need to be posted in that thread... So we could make another category just for this. So that users can keep track of the guides and update it themselves. Now from here we can have a mod or 2 keeping track of the info and manually putting up. We can have a coder (if we have one on this site) give those mods the ability to go and check up there and have nearly an instant feadback from this forum. so they can go up to there (w/o checking the forum) and just copy, past, cut, delete, accept, decline, etc. (but this would take the most skill to pull off for a coder). But the other solution would be that (most likely the worst but least work that needs to be done) is to just have it update the wiki strait from the users threads so it is not being filterd by mods at all. Well those are my 2 cents on how we could get this thing up along with a few suggestions. I hope that you, CC, and all of the other mods will see to it that you concider my suggestions. Cheers!

2009-01-16 05:24:00 Author: RAINFIRE Posts: 1101

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It seems best to be prepared, in case you guys agree.... Now, unlike in the OP, I propose this solution. Gentlemen. www.wikispaces.com Admins/moderators can be set up, fully customizable, I believe, and you can set it so joining requires aprooval by an admin or moderator. I've worked with forum wikis before and this site has yielded the best results. And I wouldn't worry about moderation. Even if some sort of spammer gets through the system, any regular user can revert to an old version of the page. In other words, you can rewind to the page before the edit.

2009-01-16 07:31:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046

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It seems best to be prepared, in case you guys agree.... Now, unlike in the OP, I propose this solution. Gentlemen. www.wikispaces.com Admins/moderators can be set up, fully customizable, I believe, and you can set it so joining requires aprooval by an admin or moderator. I've worked with forum wikis before and this site has yielded the best results. And I wouldn't worry about moderation. Even if some sort of spammer gets through the system, any regular user can revert to an old version of the page. In other words, you can rewind to the page before the edit. Hm... well, that may work... I was merely suggesting that one since it was the only one that was in any way intergrated with vBulletin :/. so... Not really my choice, was just thinking such... >_<. And yeah, I don't think we should worry about copying them just beause they already have a wiki. If we manage to make one, we could probably make ours really good and such :/. But only if it's actually used...

2009-01-16 13:49:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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It seems best to be prepared, in case you guys agree.... Now, unlike in the OP, I propose this solution. Gentlemen. www.wikispaces.com (http://www.wikispaces.com) Admins/moderators can be set up, fully customizable, I believe, and you can set it so joining requires aprooval by an admin or moderator. I've worked with forum wikis before and this site has yielded the best results. And I wouldn't worry about moderation. Even if some sort of spammer gets through the system, any regular user can revert to an old version of the page. In other words, you can rewind to the page before the edit. It's just too expensive. The site doesn't make any money, so while we use money from our own pockets for the site, we don't do that unless it's necessary. Honestly, MediaWiki (which is free) is more familiar to the general public, it looks more professional, and we've already got a bridge for it. Once again, this isn't a "we're definitely going to do it", it's an "if we do it, this is how it's going to happen".

2009-01-16 14:31:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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This is actually really interesting. It definitely has the potential to be a fantastic and useful part of LBPC, and could cut down on a lot of unnecessary threads. It would be a great place to hold item locations, level prizes, creation tool descriptions, creation tips and all sorts! Nice idea Clank. EDIT: Mind lapse - Meant RockSauron

2009-01-16 17:49:00 Author: ryryryan Posts: 3767

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This is actually really interesting. It definitely has the potential to be a fantastic and useful part of LBPC, and could cut down on a lot of unnecessary threads. It would be a great place to hold item locations, level prizes, creation tool descriptions, creation tips and all sorts! Nice idea Clank. Nice idea... Clank? :eek: >_< Um... regardless of such... According to the demo website, the wiki can in fact be intergrated with the forum (check the demo website in the first thread. Would require some format changes... And anyway, if we DO do this, and we set it up to only a few select users at first, then it would be guarrented that, by the time it might come to pass, it would already have artciles down, so... :/

2009-01-16 18:35:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Nice idea... Clank? :eek: >_< Um... regardless of such... According to the demo website, the wiki can in fact be intergrated with the forum (check the demo website in the first thread. Would require some format changes... And anyway, if we DO do this, and we set it up to only a few select users at first, then it would be guarrented that, by the time it might come to pass, it would already have artciles down, so... :/ Sorry babes, the last comment i read was Clank and then i typed that haha. I meant RockSauron dw

2009-01-16 19:03:00 Author: ryryryan Posts: 3767

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As of now, we cannot install MediaWiki. The version of PHP on our server is below 5.0, and we do not have control over PHP versions. We've contacted the server host to request a PHP upgrade, but we've asked before and been denied, so I can't guarantee anything right now.

2009-01-16 23:59:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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As of now, we cannot install MediaWiki. The version of PHP on our server is below 5.0, and we do not have control over PHP versions. We've contacted the server host to request a PHP upgrade, but we've asked before and been denied, so I can't guarantee anything right now. Ah, so the idea of a Wiki for the site isn't possible unless we are accepted to have a better server or something? Okey dokey then... I guess we'll just have to see.

2009-01-17 00:01:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Disappointed Ryan is disappointed But fair enough, nothing we can do there.

2009-01-17 00:04:00 Author: ryryryan Posts: 3767

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Ah, so the idea of a Wiki for the site isn't possible unless we are accepted to have a better server or something? Okey dokey then... I guess we'll just have to see. PHP is a scripting language, used for many behind-the-scenes processes related to the server. The higher the version number, the better the PHP code (obviously). Some new feature was brought along in PHP 5.0 that previous iterations lacked, and MediaWiki makes use of that feature. Basically, until our hosting decides to upgrade the PHP version, it's impossible to run MediaWiki. Like I said, I can't say for sure what the outcome will probably be, but I'm hoping for the best.

2009-01-17 00:15:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Fingers crossed then Just like to add my feelings on this are good and that if the PHP situation is resolved, then I would be for this Wiki integration and if needed, I would be happy to help

2009-01-17 00:26:00 Author: dorien Posts: 2767

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theres an older version of mediawiki but the thing about it, its a PITA to install and you have to have access to the server to execute server side commands to install the wiki databases

2009-01-17 00:28:00 Author: EvilTikiGod Posts: 159

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well then lets just hope for the best... CC? great job my friend, you are the best site admin i have ever come by (i have been to quite a lot of forums), most of them are not on often, are not consitent, do not help the community and keep you updated... BUT YOU are totally oppoiste and actually care for us... so i just want to say Thank you. Cheers!

2009-01-17 00:37:00 Author: RAINFIRE Posts: 1101

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Nice idea Clank. EDIT: Mind lapse - Meant RockSauron Nice idea... Clank? :eek: >_< Sorry babes, the last comment i read was Clank and then i typed that haha. I meant RockSauron dw That's quite enough out of you two. >_>

2009-01-17 02:08:00 Author: Unknown User

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That's quite enough out of you two. >_> I merely wanted my credit for seemingly being the first to suggest this (the only other time wiki was in feedback was in some post in "Ask the Mods" from Maltay that had a link to wikipedia :/. And then I went along with the topic at hand so as to not spam, and so again: Well... I know we are apparrently only doing offically supported mods, but... just saying that, if this doesn't work, we may be able to do an unnoffical one? I unno, just saying >_<.

2009-01-17 02:20:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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I merely wanted my credit for seemingly being the first to suggest this (the only other time wiki was in feedback was in some post in "Ask the Mods" from Maltay that had a link to wikipedia :/. And then I went along with the topic at hand so as to not spam, and so again: Well... I know we are apparrently only doing offically supported mods, but... just saying that, if this doesn't work, we may be able to do an unnoffical one? I unno, just saying >_<. If it's a "no", I'll look into alternatives.

2009-01-17 02:50:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Alright, back. Personally, last time I checked the site I proposed was free, but for now I'll focus on the original vBullentin wiki instead of trying to shove something in there. Now, I have some nice arguments from CC on why we shouldn't do this. Being compared to other sites, this has been done before, etc etc. But the point of this wiki should be to somewhat focus towards general LBP info, but mainly become a database of the infornmation found on this site. Bios of distinguished users/mods/admins, their accomplishments, etc. A list of spotlighted levels The glitches found by our users Notable contraptions, inventions, etc. invented by our users Etc etc etc

2009-01-17 03:14:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046

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Alright, back. Personally, last time I checked the site I proposed was free, but for now I'll focus on the original vBullentin wiki instead of trying to shove something in there. Now, I have some nice arguments from CC on why we shouldn't do this. Being compared to other sites, this has been done before, etc etc. But the point of this wiki should be to somewhat focus towards general LBP info, but mainly become a database of the infornmation found on this site. Bios of distinguished users/mods/admins, their accomplishments, etc. A list of spotlighted levels The glitches found by our users Notable contraptions, inventions, etc. invented by our users Etc etc etc Hm... maybe we could split the wiki into two sections... or have a section devoted to LBPC itself and the main wiki being for LBP in general... The question, however, may be in the user pages. While I do like the possiblity of having pages for people, the problem may be in who's worthy. Or, since it's a wiki, anyone could really edit it, so anyone could add their own page, unless we set it to only certain people can edit, which defeats the purpose :/. But yeah, I would prefer for a LBPC wiki to only be a subsection in the MAIN wiki, devoted to the game, and the community wiki is only a part of the Main one.

2009-01-17 03:19:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Well, I've finally gotten around to reading this thread. Honestly, I can't see the point or value a wiki could bring to us. We can already write articles and have them stickied in the forums, and these articles can be editted and updated by either the original poster or a moderator. Certainly you write up something brief and others can add to it or change it... but you can do that with subsequent posts in a thread. It's value would be in making the more common issues readily avalaible to new people - when they can already do this if they use the search function or read through enough posts. Even then they can still ask anyway, and someone else can link them to an old thread that deals with the topic at hand. I just can't see the value a wiki could bring. All I can see is another layer of protocol which would just mean more work and complication.

2009-01-17 10:14:00 Author: Elbee23 Posts: 1280

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