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Is LBPK release date OK?

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Time to a new question! Probably the most interesting matter I've discussed with "LBPlaneters".

Do you think LBPKarting's release date is well-planned?

I actually would say it isn't. Why?

1.LBPV is just out. People have only had the game for 1-2 months, so the amounts of levels they've already published is almost nonexistant, and if a creator wants to Create in Karting as well, it will be hard to focus in all these games at once. Also, people just don't magically appear $350 for a Vita and LBPVita (approximate price) and are already available to buy Karting so fast.

2.So... November 6th right? Wut? Halo 4 comes out this day, right? This is one of the most -probably the most- demanded game, and stores will recieve lots of people this day just to acquire Halo 4, so I'm afraid LBPVita may lose some attention it deserves because of this release date.

So, what do you think people? Was it a good release date, or do you agree with my arguments?
2012-10-27 20:34:00

Author:
yugnar
Posts: 1478


Time to a new question! Probably the most interesting matter I've discussed with "LBPlaneters".

Do you think LBPKarting's release date is well-planned?

I actually would say it isn't. Why?

1.LBPV is just out. People have only had the game for 1-2 months, so the amounts of levels they've already published is almost nonexistant, and if a creator wants to Create in Karting as well, it will be hard to focus in all these games at once. Also, people just don't magically appear $350 for a Vita and LBPVita (approximate price) and are already available to buy Karting so fast.

2.So... November 6th right? Wut? Halo 4 comes out this day, right? This is one of the most -probably the most- demanded game, and stores will recieve lots of people this day just to acquire Halo 4, so I'm afraid LBPVita may lose some attention it deserves because of this release date.

So, what do you think people? Was it a good release date, or do you agree with my arguments?

It's fine. LBPV was near the release of border lands 2. Look at lbpv now, it's doing great. What's more important is halo 4 in the way of voting.
2012-10-27 22:18:00

Author:
Sunbunny23
Posts: 995


I think there's nothing to worry about. Unless you're a LBP fanatic like me who bought a Vita for LBPV and a PS3 for LBP2/Karting, most players only have one PlayStation console.

Most people buying Karting are going to be coming from LBP1/2... While a big chunk of people playing LBPV don't even have a PS3.

And about Halo 4 releasing the same day, there are very few Xbox/PS3 owners that are into the LBP games. Heck, there are few owners that even have both consoles. LBPK and Halo are aimed at totally different audiences so you don't have to worry about that. If someone wanted both Karting and Halo 4 that bad, they'd find a way to buy both.

Do I think Karting will do as good as LBP1 or LBP2? Probably not. But since the first 2 games have a quite big fanbase, you can bet a lot of them are going to be interested in this game.



BTW just a sidenote... I really like how traditional Karting is looking. Every character in the story trailer so far has that 'cardboard' look that made LBP1 so great. Really excited about this.
2012-10-27 23:01:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


That's really hard to say... Well, i think the release of Halo may cause that there aren't as many Karting-Games sold as it'd be possible. If i would be fanatic about halo 4 and LBP i wouldn't buy both games at one time... i would make a decision and buy the other game later... (but for me it's no question which title i'll buy )

Second thing is that here in germany the autumn holidays are over shortly before LBP Karting releases... not a VERY big deal, but some people may wait, because they have no time at the moment anyway.

Third thing is there's going to be christmas next month, maybe some people are going to get it for christmas, so they don't buy it right now when it releases.

About LBP Vita: LBP Vita was my first LBP game ever and i fell in love with it the moment i saw the intro xD The big problem is that the loading times are soooooo long and therefore many people are waiting for a patch, which is probably coming in november /december... and that's interfering with karting. but even when people focus for a while on building levels in karting it does not mean they'll forget about the vita completely.

Well, the release date may not be chosen very wisely, but i think it's not a catastrophe^^
2012-10-28 09:45:00

Author:
Chup
Posts: 95


The only thing I'm annoyed about is that once again the UK gets the short end of the stick, getting it 2 whole days after the rest of Europe, and 3 days after the US, just so they can release on the "official" day of the week for that country.2012-10-28 09:48:00

Author:
RibShark
Posts: 83


I'm an owner of a vita ps3 and xbox 360 and a semi pc gamer when I have the time. I am dear to ps3 and what it has to offer besides halo sucks but that's my opinion.2012-10-28 10:43:00

Author:
WESFUN
Posts: 1336


Releasing on the same day as a popular game on a different platform is probably better than the other weeks that have popular games releasing on PS3. The week before LBPK has Assassins Creed 3, the week after is blops 2, week after that PS All Stars then the weeks after that are almost completely empty as most avoid releasing too close to Christmas.2012-10-28 12:13:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728


There are just a TON of great games out now, and more coming.

You make good points Yugnar, Karting faces tough competition in three categories:

LBP fans who exclusively play LBP games:
- may have already just spent a lot of money on LBP Vita

General PS3 gamers:
- may pick other AAA games being released this holiday season
- may pick Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale (Nov 8, Nov 20) over Karting

General multi-platform gamers:
- may pick other AAA games being released this holiday season

I agree, it's bad timing.

However, there probably isn't really good timing for a big game anymore, and it's the result of both game industry and consumer trends. A game releases quietly somewhere between big titles, it seems to lack confidence and invites criticism of its high price tag or existence, period. If it tries to go up against huge titles it risks selling very few copies and makes itself look small in that way. Constant overhype in marketing and hyperbolic negativity from consumers creates an atmosphere of distrust... so you eventually tune out to all of it and just do what you do based on the season. In which case... when you boil it down, the best all games can hope for is to catch your eye around Christmas. Which is what they do.

LBP is a microcosm of the whole game industry marketing thing. Timing, promotion and maintenance are all far more important than making a good level. There's so much dang competition out there, too, that even with the best level and the best timing, promotion and maintenance, you can only make the best of available bad choices. People play LBP when they play LBP and they play whatever level shows up on a list at that time. It's infuriating. In the real world, it's not so different, except money is at stake. You can bet that while consumers facepalm at the seemingly idiotic practices of the game industry, the game industry facepalms at the way consumers flock to one or two titles and ignore literally everything else for 10 months of the year, except maybe to give it a snarky comment on some website that only damages sales more.

I think it's telling that Sony has chosen to release Karting first, then All-Stars, and not the other way around. It says that in a season of having to make the best of bad choices, they choose to get Karting out there to compete with the big dogs, and follow up with a hopeful but humble second exclusive title. If they wait any longer everyone's Christmas shopping may be done and it won't sell at all. If they push it forward it's still pre-Halloween and not quite "the right season", and what few copies sell might eat into their bigger title, which is evidently Karting. A good sign?
2012-11-02 04:18:00

Author:
Unknown User


I disagree in the thinking that this is a bigger title than Playstation all stars. You could just as easily make the argument that if they released PSAS first everybody would forget about LBP kart, it has Sackboy in it too! lol. PSAS will outsell this title and has a pretty big hype surrounding it for a new franchise, this game has went way under the radar.2012-11-02 16:55:00

Author:
Jrange378
Posts: 573


I have a couple of friends that had to choose between buying AC3, LBPK or Halo 4. Sadly, nobody but me went for LBPK. 2012-11-02 18:33:00

Author:
yugnar
Posts: 1478


I disagree in the thinking that this is a bigger title than Playstation all stars. You could just as easily make the argument that if they released PSAS first everybody would forget about LBP kart, it has Sackboy in it too! lol. PSAS will outsell this title and has a pretty big hype surrounding it for a new franchise, this game has went way under the radar.

I don't think that that Karting is bigger necessarily, but that I think Sony is betting more of its chips on Karting's success by choosing to release Karting first. But actually now that you say it, maybe it's that Sony is confident that LBP fans would have gone for Karting in any case, and don't mind releasing Karting and All-Stars so close together. LBP fans can pick up Karting early and the vast majority of other fans of other franchises will buy All-Stars for its other many mascots, perhaps?

In the end it's just fun to speculate about all this to help count down the days to actual release.
2012-11-03 00:58:00

Author:
Unknown User


Karting could be releasing first just to get it out there before the comptition (Sonic and Allstars Racing Transformed.)2012-11-03 01:06:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728


Well, the oddest thing just happened today.

I saw LittleBigPlanet Karting, RIGHT ON THE SHELVES of the Wal-Mart I work at.

A bit early, don't you think, Mr. Walton? :B
2012-11-03 07:02:00

Author:
CirkuzFr3ek
Posts: 194


Well, the oddest thing just happened today.

I saw LittleBigPlanet Karting, RIGHT ON THE SHELVES of the Wal-Mart I work at.

A bit early, don't you think, Mr. Walton? :B

Are you serious?! Do you think Gamestop is selling it early like they did with LBP Vita? I'm not sure if I want to wait until Tuesday now
2012-11-03 07:18:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


Are you serious?! Do you think Gamestop is selling it early like they did with LBP Vita? I'm not sure if I want to wait until Tuesday now

Nope, Gamestop has the common courtesy to wait a week. :u
2012-11-03 15:37:00

Author:
CirkuzFr3ek
Posts: 194


Somebody in another forum also saw a copy of Karting available to sale already as well. Oh my, why do they do this things?2012-11-03 16:13:00

Author:
yugnar
Posts: 1478


Retailers are desperate, and there is almost no downside to breaking street date. A retailer is given 200 copies of a $60 game and told not to sell any copies until next week. Why? Because it was Decided. But if that retailer has only sold 50 preorders, and the entire world will be selling infinite copies of the game next week, it has an opportunity to sell maybe just a few of its 150 copies early. Better sales numbers for them, happier (repeat) customers, word of mouth (everyone tells everyone when something goes on sale early, bringing in more people). There's risk involved, obviously. The relationship between game makers and retailers has been until now largely symbiotic, but that's changing. As recently as five years ago if a retailer broke street date nobody could really threaten to end business with them: the game makers rely on retailers for most sales, especially in regions without super high speed Internet or when targeting people who don't have credit cards and need to go to physical locations to buy the game. But now kids have loads of prepaid options, virtually anyone with a game console has blazing fast Internet, and most importantly, there's a concerted shift in game industry thinking. In an age where there are dozens if not hundreds of retail locations selling games in every major city and the entire Internet is offering it as well... competition for business is brutally fierce. Retailers are desperate. They'll take your $60 as soon as possible. And as the saying goes, competition is good for the consumer.2012-11-05 02:29:00

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