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I'd like to see that good creators can get more than 20 published levels. Some people have a good series or multiple but they cannot publish all of their levels because 20 is the max. Maybe if a creator has had LBP2 for a year, or X amount of hearts, or this much time in create mode, then they can get 5 to 10 more levels? That'd be reasonable. I don't know if that can be added or not or whatever.

2012-09-08 19:44:00 Author: minifat Posts: 75

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I think it's totally possible to be added, however, I believe there are two major issues with this. The first is the reason there's a limit on publishing in the first place - LBPs servers can only hold so much, and if everyone was to be given more slots so easily, I imagine it wouldn't be long before we started hearing about server space issues and such. I think the 20 limit is reasonable for one account. Now, some argue that it's easy to register for another account in order to gain 20 new level slots, which in turn renders the limit ineffective. I disagree with this - granted, it is a workaround if you really need the extra slots, say for a competition account or a level series, but I really don't see many people registering for multiple accounts for this purpose very often. Plus, what possible alternative is there? If they limited us to 20 levels per PS3, imagine the uproar. People who share consoles would be really annoyed, so it's not like there's an alternative. Others say 'Why 20?'. My responce to that is, if not 20, how much? If we make it 30, we'll eventually get people crying 'Why 30?'. 20 slots must've been the decision made because it's more than enough slots for any good creator, without allowing an individual to go completely overboard in publishes. A workaround does not render a limitation obsolete. I've seen several people come out with this 'Well, if I can just register for another account, then why limit the first account in the first place?' Sorry - it doesn't work like that. You might not have had this reasoning yourself, minifat, but I just wanted to address this stupid argument before it even comes up. The second problem, is how you determine who is, and who isn't allowed to have more slots. If you have no means of descriminating between who does and who doesn't, you have the issue of why the limitation exists in the first place, so I feel you need to have a valid reason why 20 slots isn't enough when almost no creator has ever gotten to the point of having 20 levels without going 'Hmmm... My older levels just aren't as good, I think I'll start removing the lesser creations now.' Now, the means of determining who gets more slots, and who doesn't, which were listed in the OP were 1) Having played LBP for a year. This idea might be a good way to go. But a long play time doesn't nessecarily make for a good creator worthy of the extra slots. Loads of community buttwipes have been around for ages, with this method, even the least deserving would be recieving extra server space. 2) X amount of Hearts. Eh, this idea is definitely the worst way to go. I'm not going to go into details about how heart count is the worst possible means of gauging somethings quality - we've all heard it somewhere before, I'm sure. 3) X amount of Create time. Certainly the best idea. It's hard to spend hundreds of hours in create mode just mucking about with Singing Sackbots, fart machines and the ever impressive Dark Matter. While it wouldn't filter out 100% of the lazy creators, it would certainly stop a lot of people who just copy levels, or whip up 'masterpieces' in 10 minutes. If I was going to vote for a means of determining who gets extra slots and who doesn't, this'd get my vote. So, to summarise my post - I'm in agreement with the current limitation of 20 publish slots, but I feel if we were going to get an automated system that issues extra slots to people, I'd want it to be based on Create Mode time.

2012-09-08 22:38:00 Author: Ostler5000 Posts: 1017

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I think it's totally possible to be added, however, I believe there are two major issues with this. The first is the reason there's a limit on publishing in the first place - LBPs servers can only hold so much, and if everyone was to be given more slots so easily, I imagine it wouldn't be long before we started hearing about server space issues and such. I think the 20 limit is reasonable for one account. Now, some argue that it's easy to register for another account in order to gain 20 new level slots, which in turn renders the limit ineffective. I disagree with this - granted, it is a workaround if you really need the extra slots, say for a competition account or a level series, but I really don't see many people registering for multiple accounts for this purpose very often. Plus, what possible alternative is there? If they limited us to 20 levels per PS3, imagine the uproar. People who share consoles would be really annoyed, so it's not like there's an alternative. Others say 'Why 20?'. My responce to that is, if not 20, how much? If we make it 30, we'll eventually get people crying 'Why 30?'. 20 slots must've been the decision made because it's more than enough slots for any good creator, without allowing an individual to go completely overboard in publishes. A workaround does not render a limitation obsolete. I've seen several people come out with this 'Well, if I can just register for another account, then why limit the first account in the first place?' Sorry - it doesn't work like that. You might not have had this reasoning yourself, minifat, but I just wanted to address this stupid argument before it even comes up. The second problem, is how you determine who is, and who isn't allowed to have more slots. If you have no means of descriminating between who does and who doesn't, you have the issue of why the limitation exists in the first place, so I feel you need to have a valid reason why 20 slots isn't enough when almost no creator has ever gotten to the point of having 20 levels without going 'Hmmm... My older levels just aren't as good, I think I'll start removing the lesser creations now.' Now, the means of determining who gets more slots, and who doesn't, which were listed in the OP were 1) Having played LBP for a year. This idea might be a good way to go. But a long play time doesn't nessecarily make for a good creator worthy of the extra slots. Loads of community buttwipes have been around for ages, with this method, even the least deserving would be recieving extra server space. 2) X amount of Hearts. Eh, this idea is definitely the worst way to go. I'm not going to go into details about how heart count is the worst possible means of gauging somethings quality - we've all heard it somewhere before, I'm sure. 3) X amount of Create time. Certainly the best idea. It's hard to spend hundreds of hours in create mode just mucking about with Singing Sackbots, far machines and the ever impressive Dark Matter. While it wouldn't filter out 100% of the lazy creators, it would certainly stop a lot of people who just copy levels, or whip up 'masterpieces' in 10 minutes. If I was going to vote for a means of determining who gets extra slots and who doesn't, this'd get my vote. So, to summarise my post - I'm in agreement with the current limitation of 20 publish slots, but I feel if we were going to get an automated system that issues extra slots to people, I'd want it to be based on Create Mode time. Are you kidding? That's the worst way to go! Anybody can spend time on creative,Not any body can be hearted by a lot of people. How about every time you get Mm pick would get 1-5 more slots? And people are always buying the game,The servers are fulling up all the time anyway,They probably have to buy new storage every once in a while...I think 20 is way to little slots,There should be at least 50 for every player to start with.

2012-09-08 23:22:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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Are you kidding? That's the worst way to go! Anybody can spend time on creative,Not any body can be hearted by a lot of people. I think it's quite the opposite. Any tool lucky enough to get on the Cool Page for a few days can gain a decent following in little time, while only those who are actually dedicated enough can rack up thousands of hours active in Create Mode. How about every time you get Mm pick would get 1-5 more slots? I'm all for limiting extra slots to only a portion of the community, but I think the MM Pick criteria for extra slots might be a bit too exclusive no? And people are always buying the game,The servers are fulling up all the time anyway,They probably have to buy new storage every once in a while...I think 20 is way to little slots,There should be at least 50 for every player to start with. This is an argument in my favour, not yours. If space is filling up all the time, which it is, that's even less reason to open the floodgates, not an incentive to be less restrictive.

2012-09-08 23:29:00 Author: Ostler5000 Posts: 1017

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I think it's quite the opposite. Any tool lucky enough to get on the Cool Page for a few days can gain a decent following in little time, while only those who are actually dedicated enough can rack up thousands of hours active in Create Mode. I'm all for limiting extra slots to only a portion of the community, but I think the MM Pick criteria for extra slots might be a bit too exclusive no? This is an argument in my favour, not yours. If space is filling up all the time, which it is, that's even less reason to open the floodgates, not an incentive to be less restrictive. Well the whole point is to give good creator's more slots,So i think Mm picks should prove someone to be a good creator. If someone gets on the cool pages with a bad level,People won't heart him,They don't just follow anyone with a little fame,They gotta like his levels...While i can just be in creative and go to sleep,Go do what ever i want,Even go on vacation And when i come back,I''ll have like 10 more slots for free? All i said is that space is filling in regardless if they let talented creators more slots,If we give a good creator 20 more slots(Just like another person got the game,Something that probably happens a few times a day) It would only help the community,And i doubt Mm will miss the space for the 20 levels,Beside are we sure it's Mm that's paying for the servers? Wouldn't it make more sense if it was Sony?

2012-09-09 06:36:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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Well the whole point is to give good creator's more slots,So i think Mm picks should prove someone to be a good creator. Well, yeah. OK, I think it's a bit restrictive, but it would definitely be an effective means of determinining who does and who doesn't. I'll give you this point. If someone gets on the cool pages with a bad level,People won't heart him,They don't just follow anyone with a little fame,They gotta like his levels... You must be new to LBP. While i can just be in creative and go to sleep,Go do what ever i want,Even go on vacation And when i come back,I''ll have like 10 more slots for free? Actually, LBPs 'Active Create time' doesn't fill up just by being in Create Mode, you need to actually be doing stuff. All i said is that space is filling in regardless if they let talented creators more slots,If we give a good creator 20 more slots(Just like another person got the game,Something that probably happens a few times a day) It would only help the community,And i doubt Mm will miss the space for the 20 levels,Beside are we sure it's Mm that's paying for the servers? Wouldn't it make more sense if it was Sony? I don't get why you brought up whoever owns the servers - seems totally irrelevant. And as I said before, is server space is being used up all the time, that's even less motive to allow existing players even more. You haven't addressed my point at all, here.

2012-09-09 11:36:00 Author: Ostler5000 Posts: 1017

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I'll start off by just mindlessly agreeing with Ostler here - who makes very good, informed arguments. How about every time you get Mm pick would get 1-5 more slots? If we have outrage about MMpicks now then adding any extra tangible reward to the system is only going to cause extra jealousy and heartbreak. I understand that you mean that it's a definite standard to meet, but it is also (no matter what many nay-sayers may say) a pretty rare achievement. There are still plenty of good creators out there who would be just as deserving of extra space, should such a system be implemented, who have never and maybe even will never get an Mmpick. So unfortunately, this is simply too exclusive a method. The huge downside to anything like this is that someone, somewhere, will be let out. Someone who may well deserve this perk would not receive it, as no system is perfect and all-inclusive. That being said, I would really like to see extra slots being implemented. I don't think there's dire need for them - 20 is ample space (40 if you count LBP1 slots) for a decent amount of creations to showcase. But a couple extra wouldn't be a bad thing per se.

2012-09-09 12:19:00 Author: rialrees Posts: 1015

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If mm picks get 1-5 more slots, imagine all the crappy creators who get 1-5 more slots!

2012-09-09 13:41:00 Author: SuperROBO1 Posts: 358

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I think it's totally possible to be added, however, I believe there are two major issues with this. The first is the reason there's a limit on publishing in the first place - LBPs servers can only hold so much, and if everyone was to be given more slots so easily, I imagine it wouldn't be long before we started hearing about server space issues and such. I think the 20 limit is reasonable for one account. Now, some argue that it's easy to register for another account in order to gain 20 new level slots, which in turn renders the limit ineffective. I disagree with this - granted, it is a workaround if you really need the extra slots, say for a competition account or a level series, but I really don't see many people registering for multiple accounts for this purpose very often. Plus, what possible alternative is there? If they limited us to 20 levels per PS3, imagine the uproar. People who share consoles would be really annoyed, so it's not like there's an alternative. Others say 'Why 20?'. My responce to that is, if not 20, how much? If we make it 30, we'll eventually get people crying 'Why 30?'. 20 slots must've been the decision made because it's more than enough slots for any good creator, without allowing an individual to go completely overboard in publishes. A workaround does not render a limitation obsolete. I've seen several people come out with this 'Well, if I can just register for another account, then why limit the first account in the first place?' Sorry - it doesn't work like that. You might not have had this reasoning yourself, minifat, but I just wanted to address this stupid argument before it even comes up. The second problem, is how you determine who is, and who isn't allowed to have more slots. If you have no means of descriminating between who does and who doesn't, you have the issue of why the limitation exists in the first place, so I feel you need to have a valid reason why 20 slots isn't enough when almost no creator has ever gotten to the point of having 20 levels without going 'Hmmm... My older levels just aren't as good, I think I'll start removing the lesser creations now.' Now, the means of determining who gets more slots, and who doesn't, which were listed in the OP were 1) Having played LBP for a year. This idea might be a good way to go. But a long play time doesn't nessecarily make for a good creator worthy of the extra slots. Loads of community buttwipes have been around for ages, with this method, even the least deserving would be recieving extra server space. 2) X amount of Hearts. Eh, this idea is definitely the worst way to go. I'm not going to go into details about how heart count is the worst possible means of gauging somethings quality - we've all heard it somewhere before, I'm sure. 3) X amount of Create time. Certainly the best idea. It's hard to spend hundreds of hours in create mode just mucking about with Singing Sackbots, fart machines and the ever impressive Dark Matter. While it wouldn't filter out 100% of the lazy creators, it would certainly stop a lot of people who just copy levels, or whip up 'masterpieces' in 10 minutes. If I was going to vote for a means of determining who gets extra slots and who doesn't, this'd get my vote. So, to summarise my post - I'm in agreement with the current limitation of 20 publish slots, but I feel if we were going to get an automated system that issues extra slots to people, I'd want it to be based on Create Mode time. I didn't see it in this perspective before I made the post. I agree with you even though it'd be nice for people to have more space. Maybe in the next LBP?...if there will be another ^^

2012-09-09 15:53:00 Author: minifat Posts: 75

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lbpvita can publish up to 30 levels i believe but we are not talking about that. LOL i think 20 levels is enough. no one likes spammy levels, it is even worse if they added more. don't be greedy, just be happy you got a handful of levels to publish. there is always a reason for only publishing 20 level. vita is a different story.

2012-09-09 16:58:00 Author: Sunbunny23 Posts: 995

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Well, yeah. OK, I think it's a bit restrictive, but it would definitely be an effective means of determinining who does and who doesn't. I'll give you this point. You must be new to LBP. Actually, LBPs 'Active Create time' doesn't fill up just by being in Create Mode, you need to actually be doing stuff. I don't get why you brought up whoever owns the servers - seems totally irrelevant. And as I said before, is server space is being used up all the time, that's even less motive to allow existing players even more. You haven't addressed my point at all, here. Not many people will follow someone just because hes on the cool pages,Not enough to meet the requested amount of hearts to get more levels,Any way i still think that the Mm picks is a better way. I didn't understood that you meant you have to be active on creative,Doesn't make such a difference anyway,I can just create junk while fooling around with a friend,Time in create defiantly can't decide who is good in creating. It's defiantly relevant who is paying for the servers,If it's Sony I'm sure they wouldn't mind to let certain people upload more...If it's Mm,And the game isn't new anymore, meaning it doesn't sell as good so they're making less money,I don't know how much does the server cost,But i can imagine it's a lot,Soon they'll be losing money,In that case i doubt they'll wanna give more slots to people,While Sony is paying for much more expansive server's so they shouldn't mind if it's a requited thing.

2012-09-09 17:41:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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Well, having space for a total of 20 levels is just great. Plus, you can publish LBP1 levels (in LBP1) and that way you can have a max of 40 levels (20 LBP2 levels and 20 LBP1). Also, an overcrowed Earth looks very ugly (at least to me).

2012-09-09 18:19:00 Author: BillyCrash100 Posts: 134

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Not many people will follow someone just because hes on the cool pages,Not enough to meet the requested amount of hearts to get more levels. Nobody said that. Not one person has claimed people follow someone purely on the grounds that they made it on the Cool Pages. The Cool Pages are not the point here, the point was that Hearts do not equate to Quality. And many, many people with... Erm... Sub-par levels have achieved a larger following than they ideally should have, as a result of things like Cool Pages exposure. I can't make this point any simpler for you to understand. I didn't understood that you meant you have to be active on creative,Doesn't make such a difference anyway,I can just create junk while fooling around with a friend,Time in create defiantly can't decide who is good in creating. This is true. But only a small fraction of people will ever reach say, 1,000 hours in Create faffing about. Dedicated creators can spend hours every day in there. Non-level creating types will reach the criteria, but at a considerably slower rate, plus they will have no levels to show for it, thus rendering the extra publish slots useless. It's defiantly relevant who is paying for the servers,If it's Sony I'm sure they wouldn't mind to let certain people upload more...If it's Mm,And the game isn't new anymore, meaning it doesn't sell as good so they're making less money,I don't know how much does the server cost,But i can imagine it's a lot,Soon they'll be losing money,In that case i doubt they'll wanna give more slots to people,While Sony is paying for much more expansive server's so they shouldn't mind if it's a requited thing. I imagine it's definitely Sony, but I don't think the attitude towards the issue would vary between Sony and MM. Your point doesn't really make sense, though, I've already addressed this 'We're taking up space anyways, so just give us more' point twice in this thread. At this point there's no way I could possibly make any of this clearer.

2012-09-09 19:01:00 Author: Ostler5000 Posts: 1017

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Nobody said that. Not one person has claimed people follow someone purely on the grounds that they made it on the Cool Pages. The Cool Pages are not the point here, the point was that Hearts do not equate to Quality. And many, many people with... Erm... Sub-par levels have achieved a larger following than they ideally should have, as a result of things like Cool Pages exposure. I can't make this point any simpler for you to understand. This is true. But only a small fraction of people will ever reach say, 1,000 hours in Create faffing about. Dedicated creators can spend hours every day in there. Non-level creating types will reach the criteria, but at a considerably slower rate, plus they will have no levels to show for it, thus rendering the extra publish slots useless. I imagine it's definitely Sony, but I don't the attitude towards the issue would vary between Sony and MM. Your point doesn't really make sense, though, I've already addressed this 'We're taking up space anyways, so just give us more' point twice in this thread. At this point there's no way I could possibly make any of this clearer. I think it's quite the opposite. Any tool lucky enough to get on the Cool Page for a few days can gain a decent following in little time, while only those who are actually dedicated enough can rack up thousands of hours active in Create Mode. Your not making any point for me to "understand" If someone gets on the cool pages and gets 20-50 hearts for it,It's not enough to get more slots,And i admit the whole heart way is less good then the Mm one anyway. I don't know about you,But i rater someone who creates FINE then someone who is just fooling around in create and never gonna publish any thing,And IMO when you fool around you actually create a lot more,More quicker. I don't understand what is hard to understand in my point,If it will only help the community by giving us more great levels,I'm sure Sony wouldn't mind doing it,OK?

2012-09-09 19:46:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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Your not making any point for me to "understand" Yup. You're absolutely right. 4 posts, 1,047 words and 4,680 characters in, and all I've written is herp-de-derp-de-diddly-derp-a-derp.

2012-09-09 20:00:00 Author: Ostler5000 Posts: 1017

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Yup. You're absolutely right. 4 posts, 1,047 words and 4,680 characters in, and all I've written is herp-de-derp-de-diddly-derp-a-derp. the point was that Hearts do not equate to Quality. And many, many people with... Erm... Sub-par levels have achieved a larger following than they ideally should have, as a result of things like Cool Pages exposure. I can't make this point any simpler for you to understand. Fine,If that's your point,I already said i let go of the hearting idea,It was just a little sentence i said when i was coming up with ideas of who should get more slots,Sorry.

2012-09-09 20:38:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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I understand the reasoning behind the limitation, but I'd like to be allocated a max limit of mb rather than X number of level spaces. If I only use half the max therm allowance in a level, I would like to have the half I didn't use remaining available to me to produce another short level. So...20 full levels or 40 half levels...my choice. Is that too much to ask?

2012-09-10 19:29:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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I understand the reasoning behind the limitation, but I'd like to be allocated a max limit of mb rather than X number of level spaces. If I only use half the max therm allowance in a level, I would like to have the half I didn't use remaining available to me to produce another short level. So...20 full levels or 40 half levels...my choice. Is that too much to ask? That's a pretty smart idea!

2012-09-10 20:41:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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How is 20 levels insufficient anyway? Just fill up your levels more...

2012-09-11 12:03:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 544

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How is 20 levels insufficient anyway? Just fill up your levels more... For most of US it's enough,For good creators who always create new and great levels,It's a shame we won't be able to enjoy any more level by him because he reached his limit.

2012-09-11 16:33:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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You are amazing, good idea.

2012-09-11 22:11:00 Author: minifat Posts: 75

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For most of US it's enough,For good creators who always create new and great levels,It's a shame we won't be able to enjoy any more level by him because he reached his limit. you should get to the 20 level limit in about 2-3 years. good creators take their time on levels. they don't rush it, they take their time. you got to plan the level first which could take some time, then 2nd you create, 3rd you test it, 4 you ALWAYS edit it to perfect it. of course it can be longer cause obviously you need a break once you complete on making a level so it can turn out longer.

2012-09-12 02:20:00 Author: Sunbunny23 Posts: 995

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you should get to the 20 level limit in about 2-3 years. good creators take their time on levels. they don't rush it, they take their time. you got to plan the level first which could take some time, then 2nd you create, 3rd you test it, 4 you ALWAYS edit it to perfect it. of course it can be longer cause obviously you need a break once you complete on making a level so it can turn out longer. This has nothing to do to the topic and i was afraid someone will say just that on my post,What i said has nothing to do with how fast they create.When i said "always" i simply mean that they'll finish a level(in a month,Or a year,or in 5 years,What ever works for them) And then they'll start working a new one. As you said its hard to create a good level,Wouldn't it be too bad if an awesome creator would have to delete one of his levels because he wants to upload a new one?

2012-09-12 06:48:00 Author: ythyth Posts: 400

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This a thing that Sony should consider. Buying new level slots. They could rip off more money from us. This would be a good solution, Sony probably agree this. Or winning special contests for new level slots. That would determine how good creator is and is creator worth of bonus slots.

2012-09-12 16:56:00 Author: Unknown User

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