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Because 4 fansites forums seem to be not enough already... I always thought that the purpose of a Community is "gathering" not "splintering". And I always worked with that concept, to bridge gaps, to break walls, and seeing these sites springing up makes me question my work. In my black or white stance, I think that either I'm not smart or maybe someone else is. I wonder what's the point in getting like 8 places with the same news everywhere, with more or less the same people and the same features. It makes me think that the love for the game/Community is not enough to face the admins/mods/staff of your site of choice to try to make existing things better. I have not been always in good terms with the Central stuff, I don't even like how things are handled at the moment, but opening a new fansite with me as an admin would be the better for the Community? I don't think so, it could just only please my ego to a certain degree. So I wonder if the Community is mature. Sometimes I like to say so, but I often figure out that the "kids", the "young-blood" is much more mature than some veteran old-geezers around. That there's more love and mutual help between the common Joes than between 2 "Vips" Veteran should be role model, but they just act often like histeric superstars. And this is disheartening, more than MMpicks filled with promotional stuff, more than copied levels, more than cool pages, more than lack of good support and dialogue from MM. Can someone explain to my S T U P I D head why does people open new fansites?

2012-08-21 11:58:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Similar thoughts cross my mind every time I see a new fansite. I'd perhaps understand it if some new site outdid the current fansites in some way, shape or form - something that would be enough to encourage people to boycott this site and move to a new one. But some of the new sites just seem so basic or such a watered down version of an existing site I can't help but wonder what the admin was thinking. (Yes, I know LBPC was probably pretty basic when it started, too. But it's already gone through the evolution of becoming what it is now, so why start again on a new site?) I dunno' about anyone else, but I'd swear I've seen a slight increase in the rate fansites are springing up since StevenI started adding fansite Spotlights to the in-game News segment. I get the impression some users have created fansites for the sole purpose of trying to get themselves in the in-game news feed.

2012-08-21 12:15:00 Author: Ostler5000 Posts: 1017

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Simples... My theory is that they all want the "masters of the interwebs" pin and I believe by it's in game definition you need to run a fan site to get it. Pins are like the trophies of lbp1... they just don't help the community... sure they are nice to get but are not really needed. Well that's the theory at least.

2012-08-21 12:17:00 Author: ForgottenEnigma Posts: 1414

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A couple of years ago I started a little LBP forum, but it didn't last long because life got in the way. Basically the reason I started it was because I didn't like the changes that were happening here, I didn't agree with the new rules and just the way situations were being dealt with. And then I got banned, so I just started my own site. I would have liked to have carried on with it, but my interest in LBP has diminished somewhat since then. I'd still like to start some kind of forum that lasts for more than a few months, but I agree, there are enough LBP fansites and we don't really need any more The other LBP site I was involved with was Sackcast, but the main reason we started our own website was so we had somewhere to host the podcast so I think for things like that it's ok.

2012-08-21 12:18:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291

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A couple of years ago I started a little LBP forum, but it didn't last long because life got in the way. Basically the reason I started it was because I didn't like the changes that were happening here, I didn't agree with the new rules and just the way situations were being dealt with. And then I got banned, so I just started my own site. I would have liked to have carried on with it, but my interest in LBP has diminished somewhat since then. I'd still like to start some kind of forum that lasts for more than a few months, but I agree, there are enough LBP fansites and we don't really need any more The other LBP site I was involved with was Sackcast, but the main reason we started our own website was so we had somewhere to host the podcast so I think for things like that it's ok. I mean, part of the fault may even be of the fansites for not listening enough. Thanks for sharing. Nothing is perfect, we just have to listen to each other. Also like Dave said"master of the interwebs" is not a brilliant idea.

2012-08-21 12:24:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Can someone explain to my S T U P I D head why does people open new fansites? There is a general feeling on some other sites that LBPC is full of clicks and in-crowds, and that it's almost impossible to get recognition unless you're part of one. People spend weeks or months on a level and don't get plays, and they get frustrated because they aren't one of the "cool kids." I'm guessing that this would inspire some of these fan sites. I'm not so sure I agree completely with that mentality, but it's out there. I have a feeling that once someone opens up a new fansite, they'll see the problem isn't LBPC but instead it's the way MM designed the game that makes it so hard to get plays.

2012-08-21 12:33:00 Author: Unknown User

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I'm not speaking only about Central, it's a discussion in general. About the plays...I think that in game reviews killed a lot of the forum activity. Once F4F threads got a lot of activity that they don't get anymore. Central has problems for sure, but "cool kids" stuff is surely a misconception imho, here and in all the other fansites, because you can fin bad apples everywhere. Surely Central has been pretty severe with trolls.

2012-08-21 13:23:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Simples... My theory is that they all want the "masters of the interwebs" pin and I believe by it's in game definition you need to run a fan site to get it. Pins are like the trophies of lbp1... they just don't help the community... sure they are nice to get but are not really needed. Well that's the theory at least. Not just "Master of the Internets" but "Royalty", "Awesomesauce" & "See what I did there?" Pins are also given out for fan site/youtube/wiki activity almost more-so than any real lbp activity. Every time I bring that up people rage despite the fact that you have to be fairly oblivious to not notice how true that is. "Royalty" has been given A LOT for wiki contributions, level promotion crews & news crews, "See what I did there?" has been given A LOT for YouTube videos & "Awesomesauce" has been given to wiki curators and admin of certain sites. All these pins are rarely given for anything in-game related nowdays, and I know people love to think that this isn't a problem but to me it always has been because of this point. It seems like there is more incentives to promote lbp rather than actually play or create in it. It's slowly gotten to a point of how much more important it is to promote fan sites and "forum picks" systems rather than just play and create in lbp itself. So a point of where the promotion is promoted, not the actual game in which these promotions matter/are for anyways! It seems as though everyone puts more into sites than the game itself.. We get more sites, and more sites get in-game integration and more admin/site contributors get in-game pin rewards. Meanwhile, as we all know, lbp2 gets a bit worse in both the structural gameplay/creation side of things as well as the community side with the increase and severity of troll behavior & UI problems. Not to mention all these new sites rip the idea of a community into tiny pieces. Instead of having a unified community, we have a bunch of tiny external communities that almost seem to compete with one another & isolate themselves from the greater portion of the community. This is sometimes evident in peoples activity whereas person from fan site x almost exclusively plays levels featured on fan site x, as member of fan site y almost exclusively plays levels published by fan site y members. If you think about how the spotlight works you can pretty much see exactly why this happens. It's not really a "bad" thing but it's not really helping the idea of a community either. There have been times where I personally asked someone to play my levels on Twitter or something. Often times if they are a member of another fan site, they will tell me to join that site and post my level in that sites level showcase thing... My thought process after hearing that is "Why do all that if I'm probably not going to be on that other site too much & also... why do I have to go post it in a level showcase for you to have to find if I just asked you right here!? Isn't asking you here easier for both of us!? Isn't this what a queue is for!?"... I can say I've been asked to join some of these crews before & to join other fan sites besides lbpc.. (I'm as surprised as you are) but always felt like if I did, it would actually suck away my creating and playing time in lbp. Considering those are the 2 reasons I'm even involved in lbp in the first place, I don't think I'd ever join another site or a level promotion crew. Maybe when I get burnt out of creating or don't have the time for such big projects I'l do that.. whenever that happens..

2012-08-21 14:26:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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I do REALLY hope it's not for the pins, but you got a point Dortr. I tried my best to collaborate with other admins and bridge gaps, with the Japanese Community too, but one bridge you gap, another one opens. Seems sick to me.

2012-08-21 16:22:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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I always felt that expanding lbp.me to work on computers & mobile devices like it does in-game could help solve this issue. The ability to comment, rate & review previously played levels from the convinience of a computer or phone would make some fan-sites/twitter almost irrelevant. It would also bring both the in-game community & external internet communities together in a way. If there was also a section that was dedicated to forum-like posts that could be submitted & read on both in-game lbp & lbp.me, I think it would not only bring us all together a bit more, but be a bit more fluid, user friendly & probably educate the naive members of the community on how everything is run.

2012-08-21 17:20:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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Well, there could be a number of reasons. As stated earlier, and hopefully not normally the largest incentive, to get rare pins/prizes. It could be because people want to see what it's like. Some people may want more choices. Some people might just find this as a way to express their passion for LBP. They are fansites after all, and there is a kit for all to use. I don't mind much. I personally don't think it tarnishes the idea of a "tight-knit community". Yes, there may be those competitive guys who want to treat sites like empires and rule them all, but I don't think that matters. It's not really the sites themselves, it's the people. Not to sound like a turd here, but with all of the fansites I've tried out, I can definitely say that some people in some forums are much nicer than those in other forums. And the nicer bunches of people usually have the better site, because they work together and attract more people. I don't like to think of the communities of sites as separate. We all play the same game, don't we? It's like Earth. There are separate countries, and people tend to get sensitive over that fact, but regardless, we still share the same planet. Even if there are multiple sites, they all go to the same place to play and chat, and I think forums are there to help with that. There's the official LBPforums, but I don't see everybody gathering up over there and nowhere else but there. Minecraft too. There are plenty of those forums, but they aren't failing to work as a community. I don't think there's a time in my life where I've ever seen just one fansite for a game. Or maybe some people just want choices. If they happen to dislike one site, they could always join another if they still want some way to interact with others playing the same game. I'm with you on the pin thing. I hope that's not the case either, but I'm not certain that it always is. If they were really just doing it for the free stuff, they wouldn't care enough for the site to maintain it. Speaking of the media-related pins... I think the reason they're there is pretty good. I mean, people will make videos, pictures, fansites, tutorials, all that stuff about LBP. I don't think people will do any of that for the sole purpose of getting one tiny pin. People WANT to participate in this kind of stuff. LBP is an imaginative game, and your imagination isn't supposed to have such small boundaries. Same with LBP. I don't think LBP is meant to be limited to your PS3 console or TV, and neither is its community, I think it should be given a chance to spread beyond even those borders. Of course, the actual game, the "real deal", is in only one place, so the fear of unraveling the tight-knit community isn't very large in my eyes. So really, I think it's just the community spreading, but not apart. It's like an elastic band. We can go as far as we allow ourselves, but we're still connected. A community is not all about being close physically, it's about being close in more ways than that.

2012-08-21 18:37:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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Why do i think people do it? i think people want to inflate their egos by being a leader of something or whatnot. Tho i don't think that in itself is what is separating the community. I mean only like 4 or 5 LBP forums anyone actually care to use right? I dono about other people but i never waste my time checking out any of them random places that keep popping up from nowhere all the time. and the ingame news only ever even shows like 4 fourm's showcases and the japan one. meaning these random new forums are wasting their time if they are hoping to get their level showcase in the game's news. *mew But yeah i do think something needs to be done to bring more of the community closer together. except for the troll part of the community, they need to just go away as far as possible. :0 Also I think this forum could use some changing around, some small upgrades. some more friendliness rules. it's always a good idea to keep things fresh to keep people's attention as people get bored easy. & another thing that would help is for more spam topics & negative topics for the community should be auto deleted. no one said it's a fun or easy thing to make the community better. but there are ways to do it that can be done. *mew

2012-08-21 21:08:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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Whoa... hold on a second, there are other fansites?!? (kidding ) I seem to recall looking for one a few years ago, and just joining the one with the most members. Haven't really checked on any others besides Planetarium and Workshop (though the latter is pretty much dead). Where are these other ones? Anyhow, I don't believe it hurts too much to have people join other sites. Everyone that wants to join a fansite has probably already joined LBPC.

2012-08-21 21:59:00 Author: SSTAGG1 Posts: 1136

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I always felt that expanding lbp.me to work on computers & mobile devices like it does in-game could help solve this issue. The ability to comment, rate & review previously played levels from the convinience of a computer or phone would make some fan-sites/twitter almost irrelevant. It would also bring both the in-game community & external internet communities together in a way. If there was also a section that was dedicated to forum-like posts that could be submitted & read on both in-game lbp & lbp.me, I think it would not only bring us all together a bit more, but be a bit more fluid, user friendly & probably educate the naive members of the community on how everything is run. That's certainly a nice idea, but I think anything like that would be just like LittleBigWorkshop. Ok, so it might have changed since I was active there but it was always a bit of a nightmare. That's the reason I moved to a fansite in the first place.

2012-08-21 22:01:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291

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I think they only open new sites to be mods cause they can't be one on the site they was one..So really there only doing it to be in power. And mabe even for the pins and what not.

2012-08-22 00:31:00 Author: Lbphart3 Posts: 813

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I don't run a fansite but I run a contest news feed. http://littlebigcontests.tumblr.com I am the only person to do this so i'm happy with it

2012-08-22 15:19:00 Author: Sakura Posts: 73

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Simples... My theory is that they all want the "masters of the interwebs" pin and I believe by it's in game definition you need to run a fan site to get it. Pins are like the trophies of lbp1... they just don't help the community... sure they are nice to get but are not really needed. Well that's the theory at least. That's what I think too. People are doing this so they can collect the secret pins. Here's what they need to know: not everybody will get the pins, and they are rare. There are many fansites started, but they aren't "awesome". Your fansite has to be approved by Mm to get the pin. You can also get the pin for being elected as a moderator. As for the other secret pins, not everybody will be able to collect them, even the Platinum Club and Group Hug pins. The only fansites I know about are LBP Central (the one I am part of), Little Big Planetarium, Little Big Network, Little Big Land, Little Big Planet Guide, and Little Big Workshop.

2012-08-22 15:21:00 Author: Apple2012 Posts: 1408

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Primary communities with thousands of members aren't always everyone's cup of tea, so having a wider range of options is a good thing imo. I actually prefer small and cosy. It's a lot more personal and you can really get to know everyone.

2012-08-22 15:43:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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I'm one of those villains that has received a rare pin and a fancy hat from outside the game. I didn't expect to end up that way, there was just a lot of work to do on the wiki so I rolled up my sleeves and got to it. I'm not sure that anyone has contributed to the encyclopedia in the specific interest of earning a crown, but even if they did their efforts to improve the site would be beneficial to any community member that wanted to reference it. It's only natural that people looking for recognition will follow in the footsteps of those that have been recognized. If a level is celebrated, other creators will mimic its style. If a forum crew earns a shipment of crowns, other groups will build fora in the hope of achieving similar results. Their ambitions may not be entirely wholesome, but one can't blame them for trying. "Monkey see, monkey do", right? It's not necessarily a bad thing. Competition encourages fansites to produce better services and not be complacent in their successes. If the old guard can't satisfy the community it is appropriate that new alternatives arise. The staggering amount of extra work involved in these community projects is likely to dissuade pin and crown hunters before long. Those that endure the process may even produce something pretty neat along the way! Sorry if anyone feels that the wiki is undeserving of pins or hats, though. I'll keep working at it until you change your mind.

2012-08-22 20:02:00 Author: Uncuddly Posts: 237

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I didn't think omega meant to offend you uncuddly. I got the impression he was more concerned with people making other forums, less useful than this, just because they could. The wiki is a vital tool for novice and experience creators alike. You're definitely deserving of recognition for your efforts. Also, I suppose I do agree the competition is needed. Why bother putting the effort into expanding this site if there was no alternative. It encourages innovation and creativity, something LBP really focuses on.

2012-08-22 20:28:00 Author: SSTAGG1 Posts: 1136

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Its part of the natural cycle of things. You get a few fansites that get big just by being early. Then you get a wave of me too fansites for various reasons. Finally years later things have settled down to just a few fansites you'll maybe have one of the early ones dead by poor management and one of the late arrivals being a surprise hit.

2012-08-22 20:28:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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I'm one of those villains that has received a rare pin and a fancy hat from outside the game. I didn't expect to end up that way, there was just a lot of work to do on the wiki so I rolled up my sleeves and got to it. I'm not sure that anyone has contributed to the encyclopedia in the specific interest of earning a crown, but even if they did their efforts to improve the site would be beneficial to any community member that wanted to reference it. It's only natural that people looking for recognition will follow in the footsteps of those that have been recognized. If a level is celebrated, other creators will mimic its style. If a forum crew earns a shipment of crowns, other groups will build fora in the hope of achieving similar results. Their ambitions may not be entirely wholesome, but one can't blame them for trying. "Monkey see, monkey do", right? It's not necessarily a bad thing. Competition encourages fansites to produce better services and not be complacent in their successes. If the old guard can't satisfy the community it is appropriate that new alternatives arise. The staggering amount of extra work involved in these community projects is likely to dissuade pin and crown hunters before long. Those that endure the process may even produce something pretty neat along the way! Sorry if anyone feels that the wiki is undeserving of pins or hats, though. I'll keep working at it until you change your mind. I always feel bad when I read stuff like this.. Those that have worked hard outside the game to promote it do certainly deserve to be rewarded, but the pins themselves could serve as more of a system of organization than just rewards. I have 2 big gripes about the rare pins themselves & neither are because I don't have one. lol. The first is how generic they are.. when they could be more specified and unique. "Royalty" has become the most generic.. It's given for a huge range of criteria and doesn't signify any specifics of how it was attained. We've had those specific "LBPC Contest winner" & other specific fansite pins for winning contests. Why not go that route with other pins? For instance.. A dedicated "LBPC Spotlighter" pin. So there is absoluteley NO DOUBT how that person was awarded it & the criteria is defined right there on the pin. Another example would be a dedicated "Wiki Curator" pin. Not just to specify how that person received said award, but to kinda show the grouping of the vastly different types of contributions. Pins for things such as beta testing specific lbp's, Mm & Tarsier employees & those who have reported bugs to get bug blaster. All could define how this overall community works & how that particular community member had their impact. IMO "Awesomesauce" has the most annoyingly vague description ever.. My second gripe is how much MORE external contribution is rewarded. To say that I am against external contribution would make my first gripe irrelevant, but the fact that external contribution leads to in-game rewards MORE than in-game does... Isn't that kinda silly? This is where it seems to be more important to contribute externally than in-game, and if you give a bunch of people incentives to get these rare pins by external means, why would they even contribute in-game? There are only 4 rare "hand given" pins that can be awarded for something in game. Mm pick, Royalty, Awesomesauce & See what I did there. Aside from Mm picks which remains the ONLY in-game exclusive rare pin, the other 3 are given more for external means than in-game. Not to mention they are only given as contest rewards and VERY rarely. Especially in the case of Awesomesauce and See what I did there. (Yes, See What I did there HAS been given for a few awesome in game level tutorials.. be nice it it was more often) That being said, these rare pins are only given for creation. Which brings me to my 3rd bonus gripe about pins! The lack of ANY play or share rare pins.. Rewards lead to incentives and incentives lead to activity in an attempt to receive the rewards. They are almost used to condition people into performing & contributing. So these incentives lie in either promoting lbp via fan sites, the wiki & YouTube or creating an amazing level that get's Mm picked or wins a contest.. Where are the incentives to play levels or share? There are none. And personally it bugs me that they keep using this "Play, create & share" pep speech when it is clear that playing & sharing are not encouraged nearly as much as promotion of lbp. I think a person who plays hundreds or thousands of levels has contributed just as much as a wiki curator or an amazing creator to the lbp community. Someone who has written over 1,000 reviews of feedback as well. I mean seriously do you realize how much feedback that is!? The activity of the community actually reflects all this really well. People don't heart very much nor do they review with positive feedback often :/ I just always felt like if these contributions had some sort of benefit to the person who did them, many more people would be encouraged to contribute in game. If, by some miracle, trolls were appropriately punished and the behavior strongly discouraged, while those legitimate giving people were rewarded, I think the community as a whole would improve drastically, and "play create & share" would actually mean something.

2012-08-22 21:22:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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I didn't think omega meant to offend you uncuddly. I got the impression he was more concerned with people making other forums, less useful than this, just because they could. I know where Omega is coming from and I'm not offended by any of the posts in the thread. I saw the wiki being mentioned, though, and thought I should contribute to the conversation as one of these outside-the-game people. It's all good. Why not go that route with other pins? My understanding is that the existing fansite pins and stuff like awesomesauce were all added in a bit of a rush. The development cycle apparently doesn't allow them to add pins all the time, so when they had a chance they threw in everything that came to mind and that's what we'll have for a while. I suppose the pin system has to be coordinated between LBP.me, LBP2, Karting, and Vita so it's become a bit more bureaucratic since the later games entered the scene. I totally agree with you about the lack of play and share recognition, in any case! It would be nice if dedicated level reviewers achieved the same notoriety as fansite operators. I've also always wished that there were secret pins similar to the Sackie that was issued for the Tower of Whoop earlier this year. Imagine if every week Mm made an isolated copy of a tough level and whoever had the highest score on it at the end of that week got a pin for it. Would lead to some pretty exciting showdowns.

2012-08-22 22:19:00 Author: Uncuddly Posts: 237

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On the other hand, there are already lots of pins for playing, creating and sharing in the game. For example: getting platinum is pretty hard if you're not that great a player. I suspect it's simply because in-game stuff is easier to automate that we see out-of-game pins overrepresented in the handgiven secret pin section. By the way, I think it's a bit one-sided to call these out-of-game pins "create pins", because they're at least 50% about sharing, too. Also, this post is in no way meant to imply that adding more play-related (or other) secret pins is a bad idea.

2012-08-22 23:12:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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Just to clear things... MRSC leaving Central to open Planetarium? Bludhound leaving Land to open Sackomedia? Can't understand this "move". I don't have anything against the other fansites that I support, where I am registered and have friends, but I question the reasons for which they have been opened. And I'm sure it's not for pins. Don't tell me it's because it's the userbase, because you want to avoid some people, because you can't prevent the people that annoy on fansite X to come on the new fansite; also it will show some kind of lack of tollerance towards people, but I hope it's not like this... Basically, for each reason to open a new fansite I come up with, I HOPE that the new founder is mature enough...

2012-08-23 09:16:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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I once knew a guy who was really into do-it-yourself home renovation. He'd rebuild just about everything, from the porch to the bathroom, all by himself. The strange thing was, when he finished a project he almost never stopped to enjoy the fruits of his labor. He might build a game room but you'd never see him in there playing darts. He'd put together a home theater but nobody could say if he ever watched a film in it. He'd get his house all fancy and customized... and move out. For some people, the process of creating a thing is more enjoyable than having the completed product. It's a rare sort that invests so deeply in a project only to walk away from it, but it happens. You can see what their motivation might be: there's no fun in constructing something that is fully constructed! It'd be like opening a box of Legos and finding the whole set perfectly assembled. I don't know if this is applicable to the scenarios you're considering, but it's food for thought.

2012-08-23 18:46:00 Author: Uncuddly Posts: 237

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I once knew a guy who was really into do-it-yourself home renovation. He'd rebuild just about everything, from the porch to the bathroom, all by himself. The strange thing was, when he finished a project he almost never stopped to enjoy the fruits of his labor. He might build a game room but you'd never see him in there playing darts. He'd put together a home theater but nobody could say if he ever watched a film in it. He'd get his house all fancy and customized... and move out. For some people, the process of creating a thing is more enjoyable than having the completed product. It's a rare sort that invests so deeply in a project only to walk away from it, but it happens. You can see what their motivation might be: there's no fun in constructing something that is fully constructed! It'd be like opening a box of Legos and finding the whole set perfectly assembled. I don't know if this is applicable to the scenarios you're considering, but it's food for thought. I'm totally fine with this guy behaviour, I don't agree but I respect his needs I respect his behaviour because what he does impacts only himself and his life, while building fansites like in this case impacts the Community more than himself. Selfish behaviour doesn't cope with the idea of Community.

2012-08-24 08:02:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Wordy! Sorry in advance for length. I feel better giving new fansites the benefit of the doubt when I hear about them. Painting with broad strokes can get us into trouble in any direction: trusting sites to always have the community's interests in mind is naive and silly, and pointing to a glut of existing fansites and discouraging new ones is, by assuming they're built with selfish motivations, prejudicial. But only the latter goes against the core principles of sharing and creating. In this respect, I feel that however fractured or cannibalized it threatens to become, the community is BETTER for having people hoist their flags and attract attention. Even if it means that we have to suffer a lot of flag waving by self-interested, short-sighted twerps. They're easy enough to overlook in the game itself. It's cake to ignore them on the world wide web! A shorter version of the defense above is that (I hope) we can agree that a "GIMME INTERWEBS PIN!!!1" fansite built to benefit one person and a charming celebration of the franchise mascot (http://pinterest.com/mrrogers22/sackboy-lbp/) are very different things. But they are both technically fansites. I find it's better for my ulcer, and for relationships, to welcome and encourage them both. Not that I actually do anything besides click once or twice on a site and then move on. But, you know. In principle. Supportive. Heh. Dortr wrote a passionate and well-worded post earlier. Kudos for that. It's heartbreaking and unfair that truly invested creators should be lumped in with the "oh god not another one" copycats or are perceived as being copycats because a pin is held by more of them than any other type. Mm could really do to tweak the pins. Knowing that won't happen, the onus is on each of us to recognize those rare individuals who enrich the community and, personally, if it comes down to painting with broad strokes, perhaps err on the side of naivete and silliness in assuming that all fansites are built with good intentions, so that when those rare individuals do come along, they've got good people rooting for them. (* Curmudgeon alert: I rubber band back and forth between tolerance and rage for the entire social media empire several times in a day. The grump in me would love to call out the 2 billion bloggers who preceded social networking as selfish twerps, and positively MURDER the several billion Friendsters, Myspacers, Wordpressers, Facebookers, Youtubers and Twitterer(erererer)s in that order for fueling first-world pointless indulgence, an orgy of indistinguishably dull, interconnected navel-gazing idiocy. Then I have to admit that even I am, by existing on the Internet in any form, part of the problem. So, to be absolutely fair, we can't gripe about selfish pin-hunting LBP players without acknowledging that anyone who has published a level in LBP is greedily, knowingly stealing attention from someone else, if only for a few minutes. We're all one big selfish me-me-me blob monster of audience-cannibalizing narcissists! ... Heh heh heh. Again, bad for my ulcer to think this way, so I have to snap my rubber band back to tolerance. Or else it is a Bad Day.)

2012-08-24 12:37:00 Author: Unknown User

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Btw, have you guys checked out LittleBigNetwork.com? I thought this might be a good thread to advertise it in. KIDDING, KIDDING. Actually, I just wanted to say I've seen quite a lot of people advertising additional fansites during my time there, and I'm always thrown for a loop at the audacity of such people. It's like having someone walk into McDonalds once a week and telling everyone to go eat at Burger King instead!! Whatever their reasons, do they not realize they come off this way? I've pointed it out a couple times, and they told me I was the one being rude. O_o Oy..

2012-08-28 22:30:00 Author: Liquid_Blood_ Posts: 116

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To me the only REAL LBP fansites are LittleBigPlanetarium and LBPC. But every time I try to get involved in a different forum its just not the same as here..... LBPC just has that groove that I love <3

2012-08-29 00:13:00 Author: DominationMags Posts: 1840

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Because it makes them feel big. On a totally unrelated topic, let's make a PS3Central. Come on! ... /runs

2012-08-29 00:18:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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