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As anyone who has seen my new music video "The Last Thing You See "will know, there's a very strong possibility that the level will soon be moderated and I will face a ban from PSN. I'm almost certain that some people have submitted grief reports to Sony already, so there's a few things I've been wondering. Do Sony have a rigid criteria of what constitutes "inappropriate" content, or is it purely subjective depending on the moderator investigating a good grief report? If enough people complain about a level, would they still investigate with an open mind or would they assume you are guilty by default and simply ban you anyway? How many infractions will get you perma-banned from PSN? In my case this would be my 2nd "offence", so I'm also wondering how long a 2nd time ban usually lasts for, if anyone here knows. Thirdly, if I were to take the level down from the servers before the Sony gestapo get a chance to look at it, will I be safe from the ban hammer or will they still uphold the complaints anyway, even with no evidence to investigate?

2012-07-22 22:13:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Wow. I hate it when something on LBP is AMAZING, then some noob reports it. Really, I just care if the level is good, not because of the content. What would be smart would be putting an age restriction (unless that kid has care-free parents). I've never really experience being moderated, or banned at all. And MM says "Use your imagination" when they restrict you behind your back.

2012-07-22 23:08:00 Author: amoney1999 Posts: 1202

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I think Mm are quite happy to see levels that border on mature content. They picked my Space Assassins level after all, which features a scene where a guy gets ejected into space and implodes in a bloody mess. It's actually Sony who act like Nazis when it it comes to this stuff. They moderated Ladylyn's movie Figment because it had a "scary" face that allegedly freaked someones kid out, (though I suspect it was just some failed no-talent creator who got jealous and made a grief report). I'm not sure by what criteria they judge this stuff though. Is "scary face" officially blacklisted by Sony as offensive content, or did the moderators think "well, somebody somewhere says they were offended by this, so we will consider it to be offensive"? I really don't know. What I do know though is that if a creator can get moderated just for including a scary face in his level, I don't stand much chance of flying under Sony's radar.

2012-07-22 23:37:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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This is why I wish there would be a feature that allows you to block people under a certain age from playing your levels. LBP has one of the most intuitive and expansive create modes, yet creators are restricted to make levels that won't upset the lowest common denominator. I really hate it when people call this game's community mature, because the reality is that it's anything but. Heck, the people who think they are the most mature (you know who I mean) aren't.

2012-07-22 23:51:00 Author: bonner123 Posts: 1487

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Wow. I hate it when something on LBP is AMAZING, then some noob reports it. Really, I just care if the level is good, not because of the content. What would be smart would be putting an age restriction (unless that kid has care-free parents). I've never really experience being moderated, or banned at all. And MM says "Use your imagination" when they restrict you behind your back. Nobody has ever reported me to be mean or hateful, at least on LBP Central or the PSN. Some people actually report their enemies just to get them banned. Although it is considered nice to report inappropriate content because it's keeping the Internet safe and clean, it is considered pure hostility because reporting them to get them banned can destroy the reputation of the user the reporter hates. I only report when I see an actual violation that comes in my way. I don't report to be mean or surf the community to look for violations. And by the way Ungreth, Sony isn't the evil one. It's the person who's reporting that you should worry about. The Internet is full of noobs, trolls, and haters. And just because you delete a level before Sony looks at it doesn't mean you won't get moderated. Back on TV.com, if you violated the TOS in your post and then delete it, it doesn't mean you won't get a TOS violation warning. Moderators can look at your edit history to see if you violated the terms of service. Even deleted posts count as posts.

2012-07-23 00:51:00 Author: Apple2012 Posts: 1408

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block people under a certain age from playing your levels People will just lie their way through an age gate.

2012-07-23 00:56:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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Nobody has ever reported me to be mean or hateful, at least on LBP Central or the PSN. Some people actually report their enemies just to get them banned. Although it is considered nice to report inappropriate content because it's keeping the Internet safe and clean, it is considered pure hostility because reporting them to get them banned can destroy the reputation of the user the reporter hates. I only report when I see an actual violation that comes in my way. I don't report to be mean or surf the community to look for violations. And by the way Ungreth, Sony isn't the evil one. It's the person who's reporting that you should worry about. The Internet is full of noobs, trolls, and haters. And just because you delete a level before Sony looks at it doesn't mean you won't get moderated. Back on TV.com, if you violated the TOS in your post and then delete it, it doesn't mean you won't get a TOS violation warning. Moderators can look at your edit history to see if you violated the terms of service. Even deleted posts count as posts. I don't think you can compare what happens on TV.com to Sony's own system of moderation. A law in one state is not necessarily law in another state. If you told me that you had actually been banned for a level which you already took down before Sony examined it's content then I would take it as canon. Otherwise, I refuse to acknowledge the validity of speculation stated as fact. People will just lie their way through an age gate. But then the responsibility would lie with the player who is acting deceitfully to circumvent an age rating, or with the parents that have neglected to monitor what their child is playing, rather than the onus being on the creator to produce something "age appropriate". Otherwise the developers of any age restricted game could be held accountable when kids convince their mum to buy them games not intended for their age group, or the producers of 18+plus rated movies could be held accountable when kids buy the DVD from e-bay, etc... At present the onus IS on the creator to produce content suitable for 7 year olds, but a creator-specified age rating system for lbp would at least provide us with a disclaimer, even when kids find a way to violate the system as they inevitably will. Let's face it, there's probably more kids playing COD than adults, since the big appeal of killing people with guns has generally worn off by the time most people grow their first pubic hair. Nobody holds Infinity Ward responsible for this though since they have already stated that their game is inappropriate for a certain age group and it is a parents duty to ensure that their offspring don't play it, and not the moral responsibility of developers to stop making these games.

2012-07-23 01:44:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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I don't think you can compare what happens on TV.com to Sony's own system of moderation. A law in one state is not necessarily law in another state. If you told me that you had actually been banned for a level which you already took down before Sony examined it's content then I would take it as canon. Otherwise, I refuse to acknowledge the validity of speculation stated as fact. I never got banned from the PSN. I didn't even get moderated. I'm just assuming that just because you violated the rules and got away with it doesn't mean you won't get in trouble. If somebody reports a level before the creator deletes it, it will be due to moderation. As long as it's reported.

2012-07-23 02:26:00 Author: Apple2012 Posts: 1408

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I never got banned from the PSN. I didn't even get moderated. I'm just assuming that just because you violated the rules and got away with it doesn't mean you won't get in trouble. If somebody reports a level before the creator deletes it, it will be due to moderation. As long as it's reported. So how can Sony verify that the good grief report was genuine and not submitted spuriously/maliciously if there is no evidence for them to examine? Think about it. I'm not 100% certain that they wouldn't just go ahead and ban me anyway, but if they did then that would be akin to a jury finding a man guilty in the absence of any evidence against him. I would assume that Sony's moderators would be fairer than that, but who knows? Maybe they do burn people at the stake every time someone points a finger and cries "witch!"

2012-07-23 02:44:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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One time half of The Dups levels got moderated because of a picture this guy: http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/o37eo.toug5/v/vspfiles/photos/POKEMON-4521329104171-2T.jpg

2012-07-23 03:25:00 Author: lemurboy12 Posts: 842

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One time half of The Dups levels got moderated because of a picture this guy: http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/o37eo.toug5/v/vspfiles/photos/POKEMON-4521329104171-2T.jpg Seriously? Sony considered that thing offensive enough to moderate it? Edit: Oh wait, is that a pokemon? I guess it must have been a copyright issue then...

2012-07-23 03:41:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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People will just lie their way through an age gate. Isn't there some sort of parental controls on ps3? This would be a great place to implement it!

2012-07-23 04:32:00 Author: koltonaugust Posts: 1382

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To be fair, I think it was naive and unrealistic of Sony to release a game that relies on user created content while putting a 7+ rating on it. They can moderate content if and when they become aware of it, but unlike most retail games no ratings board could guarantee exactly what content LBP's audience would be exposed to. Take Assassins Creed for example. PEGI would have examined the content, rated it, and the game would have been released in exactly the same state as the day it was given it's rating. That's not the case for a game like LBP though, is it? What PEGI see when they rate it is the Mm story levels which were designed to be appropriate for 7 year olds, but what they don't see is the millions of levels that will be made by the community...which could contain absolutely anything at all. I could potentially produce an LBP movie that depicts two girls eating poop out of a cup, and people would submit their grief reports, but by the time Sony's moderators get to investigate there could be thousands of kids who have already been exposed to it. The age rating system (as it currently exists) is fundamentally flawed where user generated content is concerned.

2012-07-23 05:25:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Now this is very rediculous, but I wish Sony will moderate a Mortal Kombat level (yes, I'm talking the copied ones) for being mature. They should also moderate a bomb survival for being offensive. LBP is rated E (7+) in our country, as Mortal Kombat and bomb survivals have rated M (17+) content in their levels.

2012-07-23 05:38:00 Author: Apple2012 Posts: 1408

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You're adorable. Yes, they may be based on "mature" things, but the levels themselves are fairly inoffensive. While the levels are terrible, they don't deserve to be moderated.

2012-07-23 06:25:00 Author: bonner123 Posts: 1487

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People will just lie their way through an age gate. well, if they lie it's their fault

2012-07-23 07:54:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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So how can Sony verify that the good grief report was genuine and not submitted spuriously/maliciously if there is no evidence for them to examine? Sony makes bans on PSN and they do not have to explain anything. They simply do ban. There is no indication that they verify report. You should know how they work from your own experience. The other question is LBP levels. It is not entirely clear who moderated LBP levels, but even they don't have to explain anything, they just erase level. I know that MM puts level back, if you complain and a complaint is justified.

2012-07-23 08:00:00 Author: goranilic Posts: 332

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Sony makes bans on PSN and they do not have to explain anything. They simply do ban. There is no indication that they verify report. You should know how they work from your own experience. The other question is LBP levels. It is not entirely clear who moderated LBP levels, but even they don't have to explain anything, they just erase level. I know that MM puts level back, if you complain and a complaint is justified. Actually the last time I was banned Sony explained in detail exactly I was banned for and why they considered it to be a banning offence, so clearly they do take the time to look at a level before they make a decision. Granted I had to ask them why, they didn't just tell me at the point when they first delivered the ban, but once I had asked them then they took the time to explain. I'm guessing if Sony didn't actually do a proper investigation and just swung the ban hammer every time a grief report came through then trolls would be running rampant to abuse the system, simply reporting whoever they felt like targetting and getting hundreds of innocent players banned every day.

2012-07-23 08:36:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Anyway, in all seriousness, you're calling for a ban In my LBPCommunity conspiracy theories, it's not the under 18 kid that grief report you, but the user that thinks that has to protect anyone, thing that I found only partially right You know how much I care abut kids, the people, etc but I think that parents shuld look after their kids, and not expect that PS3 or TV educate them, so I blame obviously "the content" but much more the lack of parents' care so, in my judgement, this time your content is not wrong "per se" but it's like a spot with rough grass in a garden where there's a lot of people that want to keep everyting in order I say diversity is richness but some could argue this I hope your artistic integrity will be safeguarded, but if something happens I won't be surprised at all

2012-07-23 10:08:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Anyway, in all seriousness, you're calling for a ban In my LBPCommunity conspiracy theories, it's not the under 18 kid that grief report you, but the user that thinks that has to protect anyone, thing that I found only partially right You know how much I care abut kids, the people, etc but I think that parents shuld look after their kids, and not expect that PS3 or TV educate them, so I blame obviously "the content" but much more the lack of parents' care so, in my judgement, this time your content is not wrong "per se" but it's like a spot with rough grass in a garden where there's a lot of people that want to keep everyting in order I say diversity is richness but some could argue this I hope your artistic integrity will be safeguarded, but if something happens I won't be surprised at all You're right. I knew the risk I was taking when I released the level, and when the punch comes I'll take it on the chin. It was worth it, just for the catharsis of finally taking the plunge and expressing the full scope of my artistic vision in all it's horribleness, without fear of the consequences. Let them hang me, I've already tied my own noose. 2 Girls 1 Cup coming soon

2012-07-23 10:27:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Don't expect anyone kicking you from the gallow's pole when they know you're just waiting for said kick and that your suffering can be lengthened

2012-07-23 11:08:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Have you considered making a second PSN account to take the ban hammer hits?

2012-07-23 11:11:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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Have you considered making a second PSN account to take the ban hammer hits? you missed the point, he's trying to see how far WE ALL can go, and he's goat sacrificing himself since he's giving up on LBP I understand and respect it as it's the will of a smart man and a friend, though I don't agree

2012-07-23 11:14:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Really? That's not what it looks like to me. I thought it was more a defiant act of self-expression, despite the (possible) consequences.

2012-07-23 12:04:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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@Ungreth: I would hate to see someone of your creator value get zonked over principles, but so long as you've got your data backed up on another account or three, I gotta say, thumbs up for being brave! It's ludicrous that we have to worry so about bans and complaints, not because of any greater moral imperative but because getting banned or unbanned is such an oblique process, and so frequently abused. 2 Girls 1 Cup coming soon Heeehehehehe!

2012-07-23 12:08:00 Author: Unknown User

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you missed the point, he's trying to see how far WE ALL can go, and he's goat sacrificing himself since he's giving up on LBP Really? That's not what it looks like to me. I thought it was more a defiant act of self-expression, despite the (possible) consequences. It's the defiant act of a self-sacrificial goat giving up on LBP to see how far we all can go, despite the possible consequences. And if you can make sense of that, I'll give you my last jelly bean.

2012-07-23 12:28:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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To be fair, I think it was naive and unrealistic of Sony to release a game that relies on user created content while putting a 7+ rating on it. They can moderate content if and when they become aware of it, but unlike most retail games no ratings board could guarantee exactly what content LBP's audience would be exposed to. Take Assassins Creed for example. PEGI would have examined the content, rated it, and the game would have been released in exactly the same state as the day it was given it's rating. That's not the case for a game like LBP though, is it? What PEGI see when they rate it is the Mm story levels which were designed to be appropriate for 7 year olds, but what they don't see is the millions of levels that will be made by the community...which could contain absolutely anything at all. I could potentially produce an LBP movie that depicts two girls eating poop out of a cup, and people would submit their grief reports, but by the time Sony's moderators get to investigate there could be thousands of kids who have already been exposed to it. The age rating system (as it currently exists) is fundamentally flawed where user generated content is concerned. That's why most games I see have a "Online content not rated by [insert your favorite rater here]". I can't remember now, does LBP have one of these?

2012-07-23 13:38:00 Author: gdn001 Posts: 5891

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Personally I've never been worried about moderation. I've seen a great deal of levels with blood, violence and disturbing images. Even some that were insanely gruesome to the point of hilarity. I was actually surprised that your new level was not as disturbing as Tenement Ungreth.. Eh, maybe about the same. Seems like disturbing images and violence aren't modded nearly as much as the slightest sexual references. I always thought this was kinda funny. Despite lbp being a "kids game", you are technically supposed to be at least 18 to have a master account psn.. (one that can go online). So essentially you run the risk of violating "inappropriate content" for young teens and kids that are technically violating psn's master account requirements themselves.

2012-07-23 19:22:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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but but stiff pistons...

2012-07-23 20:10:00 Author: PPp_Killer Posts: 449

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but but stiff pistons... Stiff Pistons was essentially just a fat man in a nappy dancing to music and a crowd cheering him on. Yes the innuendo was there, but there was nothing concrete that a moderator could really single out as being inappropriate. This new level however features a grotesque birth scene which may set alarm bells ringing in a moderators mind, bearing in mind how Poms "Miracle of Life" got moderated. If I do get banned, I'm almost certain that it will be because of that particular scene.

2012-07-23 23:03:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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bearing in mind how Poms "Miracle of Life" got moderated. Oh, that got moderated?! I remember that level so vividly. A shame, really.

2012-07-24 00:21:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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This new level however features a grotesque birth scene which may set alarm bells ringing in a moderators mind, If I do get banned, I'm almost certain that it will be because of that particular scene. yeah the untapped dead chicken

2012-07-24 19:10:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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