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Cool Pages Officially Being Addressed!

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Hey guys! Great news! StevenI on his twitter had a conversation with Jauw from LittleBigPlanetarium and said that they were going to be removing some of the spam levels from the cool pages! Hurrah!!! The biggest flaw in the game is being addressed! Thank you very much StevenI!

"@Jauw2 Without going into details. We've removed some spam levels from the Cool Pages that were filling up all the slots." -StevenI

Here's a link to those "Non-believers" :
https://twitter.com/StevenIsbell		2012-07-07 18:19:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Hopefully they improve the system and remove the source rather than just removing the spammy levels. The cool pages will still be bad, but as long as one person isn't spamming it with multiple accounts it will be tolerable. The only permanent solution is to improve the system and ban the perpetrators.

cool pages (http://lbp.me/search?t=cool) without latinplayer's spam		2012-07-07 18:27:00

Author:
bonner123
Posts: 1487

I'm pretty sure they can't remove latinplayer if that's what you're suggesting. That wouldn't be fair to him as he purchased the game and everything he is doing is perfectly legal in terms of what's allowed.

But at least they're deleting his levels now instead of playing this politically correct lol		2012-07-07 18:39:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

This is how I originally think LBP1/LBP2 should've been made. First of all, no 'Copy' button. Second, if you publish a level it should have a required amount of the thermostat needed. It's annoying playing totally blank levels.

Anyway I have a feeling the Vita game will be much better, community wise. Much more adults have Vitas than kids do. And with the touch screen creating, you have to be prettyy lazy to not make anything original. I mean they couldn't make it any easier to create.		2012-07-07 19:29:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

I'm pretty sure they can't remove latinplayer if that's what you're suggesting. That wouldn't be fair to him as he purchased the game and everything he is doing is perfectly legal in terms of what's allowed.

But at least they're deleting his levels now instead of playing this politically correct lol

Technically he is breaking the ruls. (finally found a picture to prove it)

7(j) Any attempt to deliberatly alter, damage or undermine the legitimate operation of this game, including but not limited to exploiting the ranking system by creating "dummy accounts"


http://p.twimg.com/AtsU5qaCQAELc3m.jpg

How is this any different than people in Call of Duty games who use exploits?

But as I said before the EULA also contains things people do all the time such as copyrighted material, H4H, and some of the smallest forms of violence on a level would apply to, So they really don't enforce these.

Deleting his stuff isn't going to stop him (it could even be a group of people doing this for all we know), it didn't stop him before with those bans he had before (whatever the cause for the ban was) or making multiple accounts. He just deletes them and publishes a new one.

Either a new system needs to be taken place or action needs to be taken against the spammers (like with the bullying). Its a step in the right direction but its not enough.

Or maybe what Steven meant by removing the levels is for this "Bot" that chooses, he might've removed the conditions that let spam through?		2012-07-07 19:29:00

Author:
JKthree
Posts: 1125

Well I herd Latin_Player had a rage quit moment on twitter saying Beep sony and Beep the lbp community. So maybe he got banned?2012-07-07 19:33:00

Author:
The_Lil_JoKeR
Posts: 745

Well I herd Latin_Player had a rage quit moment on twitter saying Beep sony and Beep the lbp community. So maybe he got banned?

Or been warned and don't want to be banned, he made a "final words" level

cool pages looks a lot better now 		2012-07-07 19:56:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Yeah I saw that lol.

Too bad there's a NEW troll. This troll is worse! He relocates your levels on your earth somehow. All top 10 levels on Mm Picks page were affected. Every single one of my 19 levels was moved down to the bottom of my earth and hidden and I most likely lost several hundred plays because of it. I had everything perfectly set up on my earth to ensure people can enjoy themselves. I sent a private message to StevenI addressing the issue directly with account name.

EDIT: Well I guess this issue is an old one. I've never personally even heard of it since this is the very first time I've been on the coolpages/MmPicks since I got LBP1 in 2008 XD		2012-07-07 20:05:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Or been warned and don't want to be banned, he made a "final words" level

cool pages looks a lot better now

Thats like his 3rd "Goodbye" level. But yes I agree, it looks good now, just hope it stays that way.


He relocates your levels on your earth somehow. All top 10 levels on Mm Picks page were affected

There's an old glitch that allows users to move other players levels around. I won't say how its done, but If you want to protect your levels place cockpit blister decorations over your levels		2012-07-07 20:11:00

Author:
JKthree
Posts: 1125

who the heck IS this latinplayer everyone keeps talking about? what exactly is he doing that keeps annoying so many people?2012-07-07 21:05:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

who the heck IS this latinplayer everyone keeps talking about? what exactly is he doing that keeps annoying so many people?

If I'm correct, he copys mediocre bomb survival levels and gets them on the Cool Pages by using multiple accounts. At least I think, that's what I saw at least.		2012-07-07 21:10:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

how is deleting these levels going to improve the cool levels though? surely they'll just go back to how they were in a few weeks?2012-07-07 21:18:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Thanks JKthree, this is the first time I've had to deal with this crap. I placed the cockpit blister over my levels. Doesn't look as cool as it did before, but if it keeps trolls from moving my levels around then I guess it's necessary....

Can not wait for LittleBigPlanet Karting, so done with this game and all it's unaddressed bugs Love the game, but seriously...		2012-07-07 21:34:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

how is deleting these levels going to improve the cool levels though? surely they'll just go back to how they were in a few weeks?

By freeing space for better levels. Cool pages are really not that bad as people make them be, i still believe boo removal my lower quality but we will see since removal of boo latin have total domination over cool pages this is first moments without him since that change

As i said in other thread that all i wanted, so thank you MM for getting rid of latin		2012-07-08 05:22:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

THE PROPHECY IS FULFILLED!
I honestly didn't notice until I didn't see any of Latin's or others' levels on the Cool Pages. There were still some poorly done levels and such, but barely any were copied. I thought it was the ignoring him that did the trick, but thanks Mm.
Maybe we won't have so many people whining and complaining about the CP now that the biggest spammer and his friends are pretty much out for the count. Although I don't feel fixing the pages may have been the only reason to do this. Those spammers have been getting loads of hate ever since they started, and I think they just deserved a time out from the game and from the hate. If they weren't gonna do it themselves, someone had to convince them. It's not like they can't play anymore, but they definitely may have a harder time copying and spamming. Maybe this will force them to turn to the better ways of LBP? I'm pretty sure LP just rage quit though.		2012-07-08 10:47:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Yeah I could really care less whether or not LatinPlayer starts creating for real or not. The kid was really rude. I seriously can not begin to fathom why anyone even cares that much about hearts. I mean seriously?! There's not even a trophy for it anymore! Who cares?!?! I know my main goal since I got the game was to make levels good enough that the developers of the game spotlighted it, seemed much more rewarding then having a bunch of people heart me lol2012-07-08 18:55:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

I written a blog entry about this controversy from the past three months. I can see how bad the cool pages are. But the controversy should end soon. But when that's taken care of, what's next? Perhaps protest levels to bring the bad levels back on the cool pages?2012-07-08 19:03:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Haha, LBP2 has that Latin_Player and the PSP side has this Yellowdet guy (yes I still hate him). Now the cool pages are free from spam levels. Good work MM!

Now, if someone could do the same with the PSP cool pages I would be VERY happy.		2012-07-08 19:49:00

Author:
Schark94
Posts: 3378

Finally. Latin player had no originality in any field. its like saying a monkey has hands for feet and saying you discovered that. its just dumb. thanks MM. latin deserved a boot for a long time. though. sadly latin will buy a new Ps3 and then just make a new account on lbp. hopefully there will not be a copy button on lbpk.


Yeah I could really care less whether or not LatinPlayer starts creating for real or not. The kid was really rude. I seriously can not begin to fathom why anyone even cares that much about hearts. I mean seriously?! There's not even a trophy for it anymore! Who cares?!?! I know my main goal since I got the game was to make levels good enough that the developers of the game spotlighted it, seemed much more rewarding then having a bunch of people heart me lol

For having a level spotlighted by mm don't you get these pins
MMpick!
Touching royalty
and get the crown? i heard you get it for like an MMpick with 10000 plays and 1500 hearts. anyway. thats my goal. the shiny. very shiny crown...		2012-07-08 21:05:00

Author:
TinyMoMo
Posts: 132

Finally. Latin player had no originality in any field. its like saying a monkey has hands for feet and saying you discovered that. its just dumb. thanks MM. latin deserved a boot for a long time. though. sadly latin will buy a new Ps3 and then just make a new account on lbp. hopefully there will not be a copy button on lbpk.



For having a level spotlighted by mm don't you get these pins
MMpick!
Touching royalty
and get the crown? i heard you get it for like an MMpick with 10000 plays and 1500 hearts. anyway. thats my goal. the shiny. very shiny crown...



Lol someone else asked me that in Pod once. You don't get the crown just for getting MmPicked. MmPicked is just that..an MmPick. Nothing more. The crown is for doing something REALLY special in the community OR for winning an official contest like the ones here on LBPC.

I have no idea what that Touching Royalty thing is. I slapped Alleycat and L1ghtmare several times but have not gotten the pin so something tells me that's not how you get it lol.		2012-07-08 21:45:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Touching Royalty (http://wiki.lbpcentral.com/Touching_Royalty) is awarded for giving Alex Evans, or a reasonable facsimile of him, a high-five.

Mm picks are their own reward, no free hats! If you are nominated in The Sackies (http://wiki.lbpcentral.com/The_Sackies), though, you do get a crown (http://wiki.lbpcentral.com/Rare_Prize_Crown) as a bonus.		2012-07-08 22:07:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

Yeah the Sackie is one award I won't even begin to try and get lol. Those guys are freakin legends for what they make.2012-07-09 00:14:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Yeah. steve_big_guns made a portal gun in the original lbp. thats pretty **** hard if not impossible. i wouldn't expect stevenl not to get in the sackies. it might be a goal. but what do you mean by "The crown is for doing something REALLY special in the lbp community" like what? finding critical bugs, reporting spammed accounts, reporting known hackers, reporting copy level abuse? i mean. for most of those like critical bugs, theres almost none left except for the one in lbp where you can copy sack boy and it has a chance to corrupt your game. but yeah. dats it pretty much. off to bed.
2012-07-09 07:43:00

Author:
TinyMoMo
Posts: 132

The cool pages have been inherently flawed since day 1. In all honesty, it's not worth the effort and time the devs would need to take in order to "fix" them, since everything they've tried to do to fix it automatically had failed and they now have to hand-pick levels to take off. Besides, nobody really uses the cool levels pages anyways.

what I'm trying to get at is, the solution won't last long. You can beg, cry, whatever, the devs don't care enough for this game anymore to spend hours hand-picking levels to be put there. That's not how it should work, either. Everyone has their niche here, the spammers are just part of the whole thing. It gives the community character. You could say that.		2012-07-09 09:39:00

Author:
Unknown User

ok, I never really took any notice of the cool pages before but now I see this Latin_player all over the first page along with another person called El_salvador. I thought it had been put right? has he started again?

edit: so how many accounts does this guy have? I've seen two at least, one with two underscores at the end of his name and it looks like El_salvador is the same guy to too. Why can't MM just ban the guy entirely from PSN? At least make the fool buy a new PS3 or hopefully a 360 instead		2012-07-09 09:55:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

It won't stop unless you reset all their profile heart counts to 0.2012-07-09 10:17:00

Author:
PPp_Killer
Posts: 449

ok, I never really took any notice of the cool pages before but now I see this Latin_player all over the first page along with another person called El_salvador. I thought it had been put right? has he started again?

edit: so how many accounts does this guy have? I've seen two at least, one with two underscores at the end of his name and it looks like El_salvador is the same guy to too. Why can't MM just ban the guy entirely from PSN? At least make the fool buy a new PS3 or hopefully a 360 instead
He has multiple, and it's quite annoying. He constantly claims that he'll stop, or that he doesn't care, or that he's quitting LBP, but he just makes another account or simply starts again. Many of them have been banned already, but the levels are still there and playable. A prime example is Latin_Piayer_10.
That El_Salvador guy claims that he's not Latin and that he "gave" the account to him. He also claims he's going to "finish what Latin Player started" because he "taught" him how to be a spammer. This doesn't sound good, and he obviously states that he's only here to spam ONCE AGAIN, so we're probably going to have another little copier on our hands. Once you take one out, another comes to take its place.

I also agree with you about banning him from PSN, but I don't think they're allowed to do that. They can remove his levels and ban his LBP account, but I don't think they can ban him entirely from the network. Even he has the right to play because he bought the PS3 and the game with his money, but the thing is that he abuses it to make playing less fun for every other player in the world. I honestly don't know what could be done, other than what Mm just did a few days ago by taking off the spam levels. Maybe every once in a while those could be removed?		2012-07-09 10:58:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

In order to aid them in what they are doing at the moment, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a spam button instead of a report button? that way the community to police itself. all MM would have to do then is delete the spam list2012-07-09 11:09:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Hooray! Measures taken by the company have only PARTIALLY quelled what is a glaring problem with the Cool Pages system!

How long did it last, a day? I think it was a day long.		2012-07-09 11:50:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129

Touching Royalty (http://wiki.lbpcentral.com/Touching_Royalty) is awarded for giving Alex Evans, or a reasonable facsimile of him, a high-five.

Facsimile? Like what, a stunt double? Or has he been cloned? 		2012-07-09 12:59:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

if you publish a level it should have a required amount of the thermostat needed. It's annoying playing totally blank levels.

That won't solve anything. You'll just replace blank with sufficient items dumped into the level to hit the thermo limit.		2012-07-09 13:32:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

That won't solve anything. You'll just replace blank with sufficient items dumped into the level to hit the thermo limit.

that very much sounds like one of my levels		2012-07-09 13:42:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Well regardless of what they did or didn't do, the cool pages are looking much much better now. I still see a mortal kombat level in there, but I see a lot of other levels that actually interest me. Hmmm interview with LatinPlayer? I wonder if it's legit lol2012-07-09 13:50:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

That won't solve anything. You'll just replace blank with sufficient items dumped into the level to hit the thermo limit.Yeah, there are still those "FREEH PRIZEZ" levels.2012-07-09 14:16:00

Author:
Schark94
Posts: 3378

Having played LBP online since 2009, I can say that Sony and Mm have been far too lenient when it comes to spammers & trolls in my opinion. That's why most of them think they're untouchable.
They very rarely get banned. Instead, they tend to get the notoriety that they desire and some even manage to get items like 's and 's (usually by gamesharing but there was one who got one out of special treatment). And even Sackie award nominations.

But back on topic, I'm glad at least something was done about the Latin_Player situation. Was it really fair that some kid could take over the top half of the "cool levels" page by using multiple accounts without having actually created any levels? Of course not.		2012-07-09 16:32:00

Author:
D-E-S_87
Posts: 148

Yaay im so glad there doing something now .2012-07-09 16:39:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

The cool pages should be filled with only levels made by users who are 18+ in age. Why? It's because levels that were nicely made and neatly designed were made mostly by adults. I know this is a kids game, but adults are usually better at making levels. Besides, they aren't the age group who uses the emo-sackperson costumes as their costumes.

ಠ_ಠ

I hate it when people say that. Yes a lot of great creators are adults, but there are plenty of great creators who are 17- as well.		2012-07-09 18:08:00

Author:
ConverseFox
Posts: 2333

Hooray! Measures taken by the company have only PARTIALLY quelled what is a glaring problem with the Cool Pages system!

How long did it last, a day? I think it was a day long.
Lol yeah, some expected it to last that long. I honestly think that they can do something about it though, with removing some spam levels off of the pages for a single day, it left a huge impact on the community for that time. They actually felt like the Cool Pages were COOL again.
But then, of course, more turds filled the gaps, and the pages are steadily becoming tattered with copied levels. I don't entirely mind the poorly made levels, because someone somewhere actually ATTEMPTED making their own genuine level, it may not look good, but it could be fun.
If Mm went as far as removing spammed levels, I think they have the possibilities of going a few steps further. I think that they're just so busy making other good stuff that they can't really focus on the CP for long periods of time.		2012-07-09 18:18:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Everyone fails to understand why the developers can NOT just simply remove bad levels like we want. They can remove spam thankfully, but those "FREE PRIZES" levels aren't breaking rules. When someone purchases a game where you are entitled to create and share all you want, you can do anything you want as long as it follows the EULA. Sure the EULA states that you can't exploit the ranking system using dummy accounts, but the original Latin_Player account does not break this rule in any way. He simply copied someones levels (Which the developers do allow since it is put into the game) and republished them several times and obtained a large fanbase of players.


And NO! You can't deny players under 18 access to the cool pages. That's absolutely unfair. I know creators who are 14 years old and are far more creative then myself when it comes to this game. Denying them access to the cool pages is just ignorant.

The cool pages will remain a mess until Media Molecule themselves implement a brand new system to do it correctly. Remember, this company is just a baby in terms of game development. LittleBigPlanet is about the only thing they are known for (And I can't name anything they have done other than LBP) So they'll make mistakes now and again. They've come out and admitted that the cool pages system is a broken one so let's just live with it until a new game is released with hopefully a better feature.

In the meantime, just ignore it, honestly there's nothing else that can be said about the issue. Media Molecule has tried all they can to make it better for us without being unfair to those players who are exploiting the system (because they aren't in fact breaking any rules, only finding loopholes)		2012-07-09 18:25:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

The cool pages should be filled with only levels made by users who are 18+ in age. Why? It's because levels that were nicely made and neatly designed were made mostly by adults. I know this is a kids game, but adults are usually better at making levels. Besides, they aren't the age group who uses the emo-sackperson costumes as their costumes.

You do realise mm picked creators such as P-I-M-P-I, Tropical_guner, Grayspence, Prattz, and gansta-Lighting are all under 18?

Oh, and I think Mnniska too. How could you say "adults" design better levels then him?		2012-07-09 18:30:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

Facsimile? Like what, a stunt double? Or has he been cloned?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBORTOsGHY

As for the cool pages, there should certainly be no locks based on age, region, or any of that. Abuse of the system may rely on younger, less savvy users generating plays and hearts, but that's not to say that the age of a creator has any bearing on their results!		2012-07-09 18:43:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

You do realise mm picked creators such as P-I-M-P-I, Tropical_guner, Grayspence, Prattz, and gansta-Lighting are all under 18?

Oh, and I think Mnniska too. How could you say "adults" design better levels then him?

I'm not saying that adults are better than kids. And whatever you're saying sounds like you're hating me. Compared to your post, I know a lot of adults who are bad at creating, such as RASTAlite. He made a level that is too simple and he didn't even make the logic. I know I should've never said that stereotype, but what I'm trying to say is that most of these bad levels are made by kids.

Please do not hate me.		2012-07-09 20:06:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I'm not saying that adults are better than kids. And whatever you're saying sounds like you're hating me. Compared to your post, I know a lot of adults who are bad at creating, such as RASTAlite. He made a level that is too simple and he didn't even make the logic. I know I should've never said that stereotype, but what I'm trying to say is that most of these bad levels are made by kids.

Please do not hate me.

You've just said that I shouldn't be allowed to get a level on the coolpages, and asking me not to hate on your comment? I'm not hating you (much) it's your comment that annoys me.		2012-07-09 20:19:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

The cool pages should be filled with only levels made by users who are 18+ in age. Why? It's because levels that were nicely made and neatly designed were made mostly by adults. I know this is a kids game, but adults are usually better at making levels. Besides, they aren't the age group who uses the emo-sackperson costumes as their costumes.

No offense
but
I have to disagree to this!

There are a lot of awesome Creators younger than 18!
(and a bunch of People 18+ who publish Crap)
I am 28 Years old and learned the most lbp-related knowledge from friends younger than 18,
judge the People for their mental age, not their physical age!

And it would only stop the honest People,
IDs with fake ages are easy to make.


I for my self mostly ignore the cool Pages,
instead of that I keep a eye on what my friends and favourite Creators like 		2012-07-09 20:31:00

Author:
Dhana777
Posts: 122

Ok, I take everything back. Kids are allowed to have their levels on the cool pages, but noobs are not. Age isn't a matter. Experience is. Now if the person is a really good creator, but a really bad person, then he/she should not be eligible for the cool pages.2012-07-09 20:50:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Ok, I take everything back. Kids are allowed to have their levels on the cool pages, but noobs are not. Age isn't a matter. Experience is. Now if the person is a really good creator, but a really bad person, then he/she should not be eligible for the cool pages.

Thankfully you don't make up the rules. 		2012-07-09 20:58:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Ok, I take everything back. Kids are allowed to have their levels on the cool pages, but noobs are not. Age isn't a matter. Experience is. Now if the person is a really good creator, but a really bad person, then he/she should not be eligible for the cool pages.

Noobs should be allowed to have their level in the cool page. I don't mind seeing ''bad made'' levels on the cool page but as long it's original and not spammed. Not because a level isn't ''good'' it doesn't have the right to go in the cool page. Remember when you first started creating in lbp, I remember my first level took me age to create and still wasn't ''good''. However it wouldn't have been fair for my level to not have the right to go in the cool page because the lack of experience.		2012-07-09 21:02:00

Author:
Sport_dude
Posts: 622

So I'm still overthinking.

Final solution: Nobody should be discriminated from the cool pages, but copied levels should not be eligible for the cool pages. We all have the rights to our opinions. I have the right to hate kids too (which I really do), but I don't have the right to be a troll towards anybody.		2012-07-09 21:09:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I have the right to hate kids too (which I really do)

Why do you even hate kids? You've been a kid once remember?

Between now there's a latin_player__10 on the cool page.
Ah well I have 1 word for those spammers:
There's somethings called create mode,imagination and Creativity. learn it!
Well that's actually a lot more then a word but I just felt like saying that .		2012-07-09 21:12:00

Author:
Sport_dude
Posts: 622

Please forgive my ignorance...but what does the creator have to do with a level ending up on cool pages? Don't people have to play it a lot for it to stick there?2012-07-09 21:21:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

Ok, I take everything back. Kids are allowed to have their levels on the cool pages, but noobs are not. Age isn't a matter. Experience is. Now if the person is a really good creator, but a really bad person, then he/she should not be eligible for the cool pages.

I don't see why their character has anything to do with the level itself. If a level is good, it should get on the cool pages. There. Done. As simple as that. It's the developers job to figure out the best way to make that happen.		2012-07-09 21:30:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Please forgive my ignorance...but what does the creator have to do with a level ending up on cool pages? Don't people have to play it a lot for it to stick there?

Yes people need to play you level quicly and thye need to give good rating, every level got 24 hours to rise on cool levels, but it's critical to get plays on very begining of it life, the faster it got plays the faster it goes up. Your level need to be on 3rd page to start having regular plays out of nowhere, when you reach that it's up to people playing you level how high it will be. Best way to get initial plays playing level with your friends and twitter advisement.		2012-07-09 21:37:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Ok, I don't hate kids, but I do hate the fact that kids are using foul language online. I'd rather be around people who don't waste their time in front of video games. Usually those who play less video games (those people aren't good at creating either) are usually more educated and less ignorant. I'm not trying to be mean this time, but there are some people who do nothing but play video games, and I do not want to be like that.2012-07-09 21:46:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

http://theculturevulture.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/offtopic.jpg
Simple. A toaster is running the Cool Pages. Replace it with a monkey and you're good to go.
Also, a good method of advertisement (second to billboards) is, well, here. If it doesn't give you the quantity, it surely gives you the quality. :hero:		2012-07-09 21:46:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Meh... Just skip the spam levels, find a level with a good name, description and presto!2012-07-09 21:50:00

Author:
Schark94
Posts: 3378

So Latin_Player_20's account was temporarily banned. Is that all that was done? Or are they constantly taking spam levels off of the cool pages every couple days or so?2012-07-09 21:55:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

what they should do is give us their Email addresses so that we can spam them with repeat prescriptions of Ritalin2012-07-09 23:52:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

The best solution is to get rid of the cool pages. Leave the search function in. Also include trending levels into the game instead of just on lbp.me. keep allowing websites to have hubs placed in the in game news feed.2012-07-10 01:13:00

Author:
shookie99
Posts: 447

^ This right here.

Also, make the new lists function available ingame and extend the amount of levels allowed into the lists. I wanna organize ALL my hearted levels so I can find levels fast, not just rely on someones tags that more times than not are inaccurate.		2012-07-10 01:37:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

The best solution is to get rid of the cool pages. Leave the search function in. Also include trending levels into the game instead of just on lbp.me. keep allowing websites to have hubs placed in the in game news feed.

I never understood how trending levels is only on lbp.me. I always queue up quite a few levels when I click on it, they should put it in LBP2.		2012-07-10 02:05:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

Yeah the only issue is the trending list would need a limit, mainly because after the top twenty it goes into the darkside, lol.2012-07-10 02:53:00

Author:
shookie99
Posts: 447

the LBPC Spotlight, LBL Picks, LittleBigPicks, and CremeoftheCrop levels need more direct access then level hubs and such. They need their own sub sections just like MmPicks has. Maybe a new option called "Community Picks" where you can scroll through a whole list of all the levels picked by all the biggest fansites. Seems like a reasonable request right?2012-07-10 03:02:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

No doubt, and lbn picks too, contest winners hubs. What about an in-game link straight to advertised levels on fansites?2012-07-10 03:10:00

Author:
shookie99
Posts: 447

I'm happy that the cool pages are back but Latin has made another profile Latin player 50x2012-07-10 03:30:00

Author:
Unknown User

Lol you're kidding? Is that guy serious? I don't see how someone can even enjoy doing what he's doing... those levels he copies are so boring.2012-07-10 03:43:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Didn't Latin_Player_10 admit quitting? He said he will, but I guess he lied. And he's throwing a fit for not showing up on the cool pages?2012-07-10 03:47:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I feel like he's "admitted to quitting" in the past but only did it to boost his attention. He's a regular ole coppercab in the world of LBP lol.2012-07-10 03:57:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

I feel like he's "admitted to quitting" in the past but only did it to boost his attention. He's a regular ole coppercab in the world of LBP lol.

At first, I hate it when people create war against Latin_Player_10 for copying, but now, I agree with the haters. Latin_Player_10 is being rude. He is getting mad because he can't get attention by copying levels.		2012-07-10 04:11:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Ok, I don't hate kids, but I do hate the fact that kids are using foul language online. I'd rather be around people who don't waste their time in front of video games. Usually those who play less video games (those people aren't good at creating either) are usually more educated and less ignorant. I'm not trying to be mean this time, but there are some people who do nothing but play video games, and I do not want to be like that.

Hey! Thats me! Im pretty young (13) Am pretty mentally act mature, and suck at creating! 		2012-07-10 05:04:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

Hey! Thats me! Im pretty young (13) Am pretty mentally act mature, and suck at creating!

You're 13?! I always thought you were 17 or 18 by reading your posts. You really are mature lol		2012-07-10 05:32:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

Hey! Thats me! Im pretty young (13) Am pretty mentally act mature, and suck at creating!

Wait...

You mean I'm older than you?!
Mind = Obliterated

Anyway, I don't care how the Cool Pages get fixed. I just want that Latin kid off.		2012-07-10 05:35:00

Author:
gamerC0LA64
Posts: 274

Well there are several psn's with the latin player name but he has four accounts. But...I would almost bet el salvador is latin, a lot of similarity. And yes I don't see the satisfaction in what he does/did.2012-07-10 14:08:00

Author:
shookie99
Posts: 447

dgiacomo looks like another latin to me. same types of levels and he's filling the cool pages. Latin's there too. Has this really helped?:

http://lbp.me/search?t=cool		2012-07-10 19:46:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Latins accounts
El_Savador
dgiacomo
Latin_Player__10
Latin_PIayer_20		2012-07-10 19:52:00

Author:
TinyMoMo
Posts: 132

Well regardless it doesn't matter. The cool pages is a lost cause.

As it has been stated in the past, just use MmPicks, Spotlights, and hearted creators activity to find the good stuff. Nothing else we can really do. This game will be abandoned in a few months with the release of LBPvita and karting. The cross-controller dlc will be cool, but that'll be the end of LBP2 probably.		2012-07-10 20:40:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

This game will be abandoned in a few months with the release of LBPvita and karting. The cross-controller dlc will be cool, but that'll be the end of LBP2 probably.
I kinda doubt it. .___. In fact, LBP1 may even still have players. It does now.		2012-07-10 20:51:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

No, Vita will probably not destroy LBP 2. Most LBP fans only have the PS3, I assume, and I am one of them. I won't be able to play the Vita version, and despite its new features (hopefully the better ones will transfer to LBP 2 in an update---invisible solid material, dephysicalier, memorizer), LBP 2 is still graphically superior to it, and it runs on a still-superior system.2012-07-11 00:20:00

Author:
synchronizer
Posts: 287

You guys dig way too deep into what I say... all the time.

Look, nobody REALLY plays LBP1 anymore. Sure thousands of kids probably do, but nobody creates anything really special (or at least gets any attention for it) All the big time creators moved on.

The same will happen to LBP2. We're all going to move on to newer games, why bother going back? I tried it and meh... it was not worth it. I even tried creating a level, but there's just no point, LBP2 is that much better. LBP2 might last a little longer since there's no immediate sequel to it yet (LBP3) and so peopel will still play it to get their platforming fun in.		2012-07-11 00:44:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Again, not everyone can afford to buy Vitas just to play a new LBP 2-type game that isn't even 100% superior to the old version.2012-07-11 00:54:00

Author:
synchronizer
Posts: 287

LBPK is the lbp 3. its a plat former more then it is a racer because there are different game modes and other stuff. plus. in full 3d. the big time creators will definitely move on to it. imagine what more possibilities thell have. they could do anything. Steve big guns could finish his famed MERD. which i have been waiting for like a year for. but. as long as it has lbp on it and it has features not added to the game. its a new lbp. xD2012-07-11 00:55:00

Author:
TinyMoMo
Posts: 132

You and others keep saying that but it's absolutely untrue! Sackboy cannot run around his environment, and paths upon paths cannot be created. Yes, LBP Karting will be very flexible in terms of what can be created from it, but it is NOT an LBP 3.2012-07-11 01:40:00

Author:
synchronizer
Posts: 287

This was/is WAAAAAY overdue. Spamming should have been dealt with before LBP2 was released. Couldn't believe they let spammers destroy LBP1, and then sat around for the last couple of years while watching it fill up LBP2.

I'm glad to see at least some movement on this. It makes me sad to see friends levels they've worked months on sit at the bottom of page 2, while others have 10 levels of spammed levels on Page 1 alone, and several on page 2.

This should only be a start to addressing the issue. Hopefully, there is more to come.		2012-07-11 01:55:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

This was/is WAAAAAY overdue. Spamming should have been dealt with before LBP2 was released. Couldn't believe they let spammers destroy LBP1, and then sat around for the last couple of years while watching it fill up LBP2.

I talked about this in my blog. In the most recent four entries, I talked all about what you were saying. First, the copy option was added, which never got taken care of. Then the tranfer of the levels, and then the boo rating was removed. What was even worse is that glitches were created. So Mm finally are taking care of the cool pages, but a few months ago, they decided to ruin Hedge Hopping rather than take out the copy option. I understand your feelings about the copy problem.

One thing Mm should have done was to take care of the Hedge Hopping thing.		2012-07-11 02:08:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Improved, but still not perfect - there is someone with 4/5 levels right at the top of the cool pages.2012-07-12 12:23:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Banning a spammer of deleting levels is not the solution to the problem spammers come and go. Once Latin payer finally gives up a new person will just replace him. A better algorithm is needed to prevent the possibility of spam such as, only allowing a creator to have 1 or 2 levels on the cool pages at once.2012-07-12 13:33:00

Author:
OriginalCreator
Posts: 217

LBPK is the lbp 3. its a plat former more then it is a racer because there are different game modes and other stuff. plus. in full 3d. the big time creators will definitely move on to it. imagine what more possibilities thell have. they could do anything. Steve big guns could finish his famed MERD. which i have been waiting for like a year for. but. as long as it has lbp on it and it has features not added to the game. its a new lbp. xD

It's not platformer you need to use tricks to make platformer on kating		2012-07-12 14:51:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Banning a spammer of deleting levels is not the solution to the problem spammers come and go. Once Latin payer finally gives up a new person will just replace him. A better algorithm is needed to prevent the possibility of spam such as, only allowing a creator to have 1 or 2 levels on the cool pages at once.

Yeah, people having been mentioning that as a solution since LBP1 got destroyed by spammers. MM never bothered to fix it or address it. Unfortunately, many people have left because of it. Hopefully, MM actually deals with this instead of fixing it once and disappearing.		2012-07-12 16:29:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

Yeah, people having been mentioning that as a solution since LBP1 got destroyed by spammers. MM never bothered to fix it or address it. Unfortunately, many people have left because of it. Hopefully, MM actually deals with this instead of fixing it once and disappearing.

Wow! The controversy started since LBP1?! So the cool pages has been an issue for a long time, and we finally got to the day it will be fixed.

In my opinion, the cool pages are still going to be bad even when ALL copied levels get removed. Why? It's because copied levels (Mortal Kombat, bomb survivals etc.) and hot trend levels (free prize levels, costume levels etc.) aren't the only levels that ruin the cool pages for me. There was a level that hit the cool pages a long time ago that is stupid, and I think it's called The Walrus formerly known as Prince. I'm telling you. This is one level that I recommend that you skip or not play at all. Why did that level hit the cool pages? People find it funny, but I don't find it funny. A friend told me not to boo the level because it's rediculous to boo a level just because you don't want to play it, but I booed it, but that's because the level is stupid.

Once all the copied levels get pulled off the cool pages or are disqualified for the cool pages, then that's a good thing, but The Walrus formerly known as Prince was the worst level that hit the cool pages in my opinion.		2012-07-12 18:54:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Wow! The controversy started since LBP1?! So the cool pages has been an issue for a long time, and we finally got to the day it will be fixed.

Well, that's not entirely true. They've made attempts before, and they may still need some more.

The Walrus formerly known as Prince, you say? Gotta check that out, sounds marvelous...		2012-07-12 19:17:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

I think you guys would be happy to hear me say I finally just deleted my H4H levels I made a couple years back on LBP1. It was purely to get trophies and I went about it the wrong way. I guess since people didn't want to play through my regular levels. Anyway so now that's 2 less stupid spam levels.

I'm really going to try to earn that trophy(the fair way) in LBP Karting and Vita, I guess I'll just have to befriend lots of people and hope they check them out. I would say that the developers shouldn't even include 'publishing' trophies, but it's probably something that motivates creators to make good levels so they get more plays/hearts.		2012-07-12 19:51:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

I'd like them to do a recommendation system.

People that played this also played these.
People that Yayed this also yayed these.
People that hearted this also hearted these.		2012-07-12 20:08:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

The Walrus formerly known as Prince, you say? Gotta check that out, sounds marvelous...

Trust me, it's stupid. My least favorite part about the level is the tickling part. I hated the music in that section, and it looks more of a pre-schoolers experience.

There's a few levels that hit the cool pages a long time ago that I wished they never did. I played this one haunted house level recently, and that level can give you nightmares, especially the ending. That didn't hit the cool pages "a long time ago", but I don't really want to play levels like that anymore.		2012-07-12 20:18:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Whoever brought up the subject of being 18+ to publish a level, they are technically correct. If you are playing on a main PSN account, you should be 18 years of age, and being any younger is technically breaking the law. So I agree, nobody under the age of "18" should be publishing levels.

Technically nobody cares.

Also, this won't help much IMO. Everybody blames that one creator who for a certain period of time publishes all of the spam levels. It is not just their fault however, and the Cool Pages will never be "fixed" because the community will always exist the way it does today. MM can't prevent the community from playing the spam levels but they can at least prevent their creation (which they are). I;m glad this is happening but it will never be a permanent fix.		2012-07-12 20:29:00

Author:
tanrockstan34
Posts: 1076

Trust me, it's stupid. My least favorite part about the level is the tickling part. I hated the music in that section, and it looks more of a pre-schoolers experience.

There's a few levels that hit the cool pages a long time ago that I wished they never did. I played this one haunted house level recently, and that level can give you nightmares, especially the ending. That didn't hit the cool pages "a long time ago", but I don't really want to play levels like that anymore.
Uh, say what nooowww? Turboegg's levels are the best, most hilarious levels I have ever played on LBP 2--period (in my opinion). They're SUPPOSED to be stupid and sloppy, that's what's so funny about it. And the Tickle Time section WAS supposed to look like it appealed to preschoolers. Try not to take everything so literally. .___. Sarcasm, irony, and cynicism are used so much in comedy these days, but taking that stuff literally can lead to BIG misunderstandings, lol.
Sorry, it's just that a lot of people don't get it. Ha ha.


But about the CP, what are we gonna do about those people "like LP" who keep making alternate accounts to spam with? Ever since he "left", there have been more and more of his fans that wanted to fill in the gap and continue what he started.		2012-07-12 20:33:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Whoever brought up the subject of being 18+ to publish a level, they are technically correct. If you are playing on a main PSN account, you should be 18 years of age, and being any younger is technically breaking the law. So I agree, nobody under the age of "18" should be publishing levels.


You can have a sub-account, if a parent has a 18+ account. Anyways, i dont like the idea of "only 18+". Though i would love if it only were "mature" levels (Not "im a banana"), technical, lbp is a "kids-game", so banning them from publishing would not seem fair.

*Sorry, meant publishing, not creatin		2012-07-12 20:57:00

Author:
PixelJam
Posts: 88

Whoever brought up the subject of being 18+ to publish a level, they are technically correct. If you are playing on a main PSN account, you should be 18 years of age, and being any younger is technically breaking the law. So I agree, nobody under the age of "18" should be publishing levels.

You should know that I regret saying that. I thought that would be good because I thought adults are better at making levels since they're usually not short-attention. But kids are like that too. And adults can make pretty bad levels, especially the ones who are more educated and more successful. The reason: They are ususally busy and don't have time for video games.

@Sackpapoi: I understand that things like that aren't made for people to take things so seriously, but I say that the comedy is lame, and the music on the Tickle Time section was stupid. I see no comedy in that level.

@PixelJam: Thank you. You shouldn't be denied by age to qualify for the cool pages, which I said earlier, but I regret it.

@Rabid-Coot: Smart thinking. I like that idea.		2012-07-12 21:30:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Well I decided to take a look at the cool pages for the first time since this announcment of it being addressed and what do I find?

Half of the levels filled with Spam by Latin's new account El_Salvador-something (He admitted its his in some of the level descriptions).

Its a dam shame MM has to take action against this because of such an attention ***** (I Feel sorry for the MM employee who has to take care of this if Latin continues with this) How long has he been doing this? A year?		2012-07-15 05:17:00

Author:
JKthree
Posts: 1125

steps on stoping obvious levels in cool pages.
1. don't play mortalkombat bigbots,bomb,jump,cheap giveaways, and other that's overused in cool pages.
2. you're done.
Nuff Said.

edit: @jkthree, you sure it's not a fake. latin said it in his levels? didn't latin said he's tired of the hate comments and he want to have fun in his "goodbye" level or did he delete that. guys. ignore latin. don't hate.		2012-07-15 05:39:00

Author:
Sunbunny23
Posts: 995

Yeah, the solution didn't last too long, but it worked. So that's good I guess. You're right about the spammers, there are even more now. Some don't even copy, but their levels are just terrible and effortless they are ALL over the pages. And then there's the occasional giveaway/glitch/costume levels. Oh well. There's actually some good stuff far down on the pages, but the number is rapidly decreasing.2012-07-15 14:10:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Yeah, the solution didn't last too long, but it worked. So that's good I guess. You're right about the spammers, there are even more now. Some don't even copy, but their levels are just terrible and effortless they are ALL over the pages. And then there's the occasional giveaway/glitch/costume levels. Oh well. There's actually some good stuff far down on the pages, but the number is rapidly decreasing.

The costume level/costume showcase fad will never wear out, especially the emo costume fad. Why? Because people are always about dressing up and they want new costumes. Most of these costume levels have fake costumes (costumes heavily decorated with stickers and decorations).

A thing about Latin_Player_10. He actually doens't play, create, or share. He "piays" the game instead of playing the game (I'm mocking on his spelling from an alternative account), he copies instead of creating, and he H4H instead of sharing.		2012-07-15 14:53:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Solution=Dont play the cool pages.2012-07-15 16:22:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

Solution=Dont play the cool pages.

Oh thats a good one just by pass the cool pages and play Mm pick levels lol...Iv seen a few good levels show up on the cool pages this week....I only play the cool pages nothing else.

Most of the levels tho are Lp's copyed levels.


I dont hate him..but i dont support him..He will never change he wont stop till Mm does something about the copying or make it soo the copyed levels will not show up on the cool pages.		2012-07-15 17:07:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

hi guys!.

I have read all your comments about cool pages. well, this is an example and based on my experience in LBP.

1. when you were publishing in LBP1 one level, this level appeared in a miniplaneta where everyone could come to see these published levels, the longer they had published and without a lot of players, these levels went from the newest to the oldest, and finally if the level was not very popular, these three pages would disappear.

2. what happens in LBP2?, when you post a level, it only appears in the most recent and you have to go look for it, this does not work at all, since all players or most of them go straight to cool pages, and only recognized creators levels as is the case Lain_player, levels jump quickly to cool pages.

3. The solution is to return the engine to show LBP1 levels, and also to focus on some kind of logic that quickly examine the level and labels that it contains, to decide if the level goes faster on the first page of publication.

4. finally, children often only look at the title level, for example I had a level called "SUPER MEGA CHALLENGE" in LBP1, this cool quickly climbed up the pages and got 500 players in 1 day, the level was rubbish, a few obstacles and no creativity. LBP2 now working very hard on logic and chambers, some scenes and new things, my levels are at best 12 players, 8 like, and 3 hearts, this is a problem and is making developers lose interest to do something impressive as only the creator and his friends see the level, and never the community.		2012-07-15 18:21:00

Author:
HellYeah1982
Posts: 192

Do people remember when bomb survivals were actually reputable fun levels to play... ahh, the days before spam. I don't really bother with the cool pages because I don't like how they work in LBP2. I miss scouring the globe for fun levels, now it is just a list of bad, terrible, and claw my eyes out disgusting levels.2012-07-15 19:35:00

Author:
tanrockstan34
Posts: 1076

Lol at the cool pages.

Yesterday I saw a copied Super Mario level from lbp1 and there were 130 people playing it. A level that is almost four years old.

What a joke. 		2012-07-15 21:16:00

Author:
VelcroJonze
Posts: 1305

Do people remember when bomb survivals were actually reputable fun levels to play... ahh, the days before spam. I don't really bother with the cool pages because I don't like how they work in LBP2. I miss scouring the globe for fun levels, now it is just a list of bad, terrible, and claw my eyes out disgusting levels.

It's okay at once, but when we keep seeing more of it, it's a problem.

I know only one Mortal Kombat level that is really good. It's made by a friend of mine, and I think it's called "Chicken Kombat".		2012-07-15 21:21:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

It is about time Mm did something to save the cool pages2012-07-16 21:10:00

Author:
Unknown User

There was a level that hit the cool pages a long time ago that is stupid, and I think it's called The Walrus formerly known as Prince. I'm telling you. This is one level that I recommend that you skip or not play at all.

Congrats! Your opinion is wrong. Here's a three-week-old cookie.

...But realistically, this game cannot be saved. MM does not care about it anymore, and even when they did and these problems were relevant (russelsmuscles?), they did basically nothing. Either the company has to actually start caring, or a bunch of kids stop mindlessly playing levels because they sound cool. Neither will happen.

I'll see you all on the Vita, though. 		2012-07-16 21:26:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129

Well they may have removed some of the spam but yesterday, 13 of the top 20 "cool levels" were by the same person, two different accounts but still the same person.

The only real solution as I have said already....get rid of the cool levels.		2012-07-18 03:59:00

Author:
shookie99
Posts: 447

Well at least Mm knows that the forums are the places to find good levels. (hence why they put the community spotlights in the news) So it's not THAT bad. Cool levels does need some major reworking though. The only problem is finding a good way to put the cool levels together.
The reasons this is so hard is because:

1Q. There's no way to tell if a level is 'new' or not. One can simply copy a level to a different spot and republish it and it's considered new or save the level as an object to a new world. This causes problems for levels that are new or heavily edited. So how do you consider if a level is new or not?
1A. One way Mm could solve this is by having some sort of check to see if a level has already been published. This check would go to every copy of the level and if it's yes, the copy cannot be on the cool pages (this includes edits of the copies (they just aren't unique enough). This check would be very easy for Mm to implement. What about the copied level object? Oh my, this is a tough problem. I honestly have no idea how this would be approached. You could set a time requirement in creative mode (3-10 hours?) to prevent quick copying to cool levels but it wouldn't eliminate the problem, though it is pretty straight-forward esp. since one of the trophies shows it can be done (counting hours in create i mean This also would be kind of fun to see in general (amount of time spent creating specific level)

2Q. There are obviously levels that people do not want to see. How do we get them out of the cool levels?
2A Mm really blew this one getting rid of the boo's, huh? Easy suggestion is reimplement them and have a ratio requirement after a certain number of plays.

3Q. (if the above would not work) One person somehow still dominates the cool levels! What can Mm do?
3A. 1. Limit the number of levels per user that can reach the cool levels
2. Ban the users creating multiple accounts to publish the same level (If the above are implemented this would not be a problem)

Note: A lot of these suggestions involve banning levels from the cool pages. This is because from what i understand about the system, new levels are supposed to be on the cool pages every week. So why not enforce that? It's certainly better than what it is now.

That's my two cents on how to improve the cool pages. As for the levels already out, it wouldn't affect them because all that would need to change is the copy feature (and the multiple saving on moon) so there isn't any harm to making the cool pages 'cool' and 'fresh' every week.		2012-07-18 04:30:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

After reading all of these posts about Latin_Player_10, I'm starting to agree with you guys about him. At first, I didn't want people hating on others, but now, I think he's a liability. If he's banned permanently on one account, he should be finished with LBP. Creating multiple accounts to dodge a ban and get all the attention is wrong.2012-07-18 06:04:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Long term solutions won't solve this problem because people will have already deserted the cool pages. There IS only one option and it needs taking: Ban him from PSN entirely. He knows what he's doing is disruptive, he knows what he's doing is antisocial and he knows what he's doing is ruining the cool pages. GET RID2012-07-18 12:50:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Long term solutions won't solve this problem because people will have already deserted the cool pages. There IS only one option and it needs taking: Ban him from PSN entirely. He knows what he's doing is disruptive, he knows what he's doing is antisocial and he knows what he's doing is ruining the cool pages. GET RID

Or we can report him to the police for cheating in-game. If it goes through his juvenille record, he will never ever get to play video games again.		2012-07-18 16:51:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Or we can report him to the police for cheating in-game. If it goes through his juvenille record, he will never ever get to play video games again.
http://i.qkme.me/35484l.jpg		2012-07-18 16:52:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I think he's implying that it's not exactly the crime of the century, and he's right, it isn't, but there is no other solution. it took this guy less that three days to fill the first few pages of the cool pages up with the same content but under a different account name. He needs banning indefinitely because other creators are not getting a chance and they paid for the game just as he did2012-07-18 18:08:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

It's time for the ultimate question (I'm not sure if it's ultimate, but is the big one). Who is the one that is more likely to blame for the cool pages? Is it Mm, Stephanie Ravens, Latin_Player_10, or the people who mindlessly play the copied levels?

For Media Molecule, they added the copy option a long time ago. It created spam on the cool pages, and they allowed the levels to transfer to LBP2. And they removed the boo option, which made the cool pages worse. I'm not sure if they're the ones to blame, but they are the ones who will fix the problem.

For Stephanie Ravens, she hacked into the game a long time ago, making the most popular levels copyable. With that, people are stealing the credit from other people. I think this is how bomb survivals, Mortal Kombat, and roller coasters are copyable. She's not like what she used to be, but this happened a long time ago.

For Latin_Player_10, he copied a lot of levels and took the credit of the levels. What made this a problem is that a whole bunch of spam levels were on the servers. When one account is gone, he creates more accounts.

For the people who mindlessly play his level, they're the ones who are allowing the levels to hit the cool pages. Those levels aren't real levels. They're junk levels. I was thinking of a solution for the cool pages, where you can't publish a level when it's copied, but someone denied that solution because kids would always like to play those kind of levels. I know there are a lot of kids that don't, but there are more kids that do.

So which one is to blame?		2012-07-18 18:31:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

It's time for the ultimate question (I'm not sure if it's ultimate, but is the big one). Who is the one that is more likely to blame for the cool pages? Is it Mm, Stephanie Ravens, Latin_Player_10, or the people who mindlessly play the copied levels?

For Media Molecule, they added the copy option a long time ago. It created spam on the cool pages, and they allowed the levels to transfer to LBP2. And they removed the boo option, which made the cool pages worse. I'm not sure if they're the ones to blame, but they are the ones who will fix the problem.

For Stephanie Ravens, she hacked into the game a long time ago, making the most popular levels copyable. With that, people are stealing the credit from other people. I think this is how bomb survivals, Mortal Kombat, and roller coasters are copyable. She's not like what she used to be, but this happened a long time ago.

For Latin_Player_10, he copied a lot of levels and took the credit of the levels. What made this a problem is that a whole bunch of spam levels were on the servers. When one account is gone, he creates more accounts.

For the people who mindlessly play his level, they're the ones who are allowing the levels to hit the cool pages. Those levels aren't real levels. They're junk levels. I was thinking of a solution for the cool pages, where you can't publish a level when it's copied, but someone denied that solution because kids would always like to play those kind of levels. I know there are a lot of kids that don't, but there are more kids that do.

So which one is to blame?
Well, it's not really Mm's fault. Yeah, they could have managed the pages a little better, but managing such a massive community and working on things for us to enjoy must be very busy work. True, there are slip-ups in the system that they should have or shouldn't have removed, but adding to your point, I'm sure they can fix it when they get the time or if they feel the need to.

The other two though, yeah. They kinda trashed the game by making the experience less fun for the other players. And as GribbleGrunger said, they paid for it and have the rights just like Latin or the other spammers do. Why should their gaming experience be less fun just because of some 14 year old kid on the internet that spams all day?

"The people who play the levels" is a difficult one. Some people are just that ignorant. They know what the spammers do and they enjoy it, so they make it more public. They don't care about the rest of the community.
Some people play them just to try and get through to the spammers or post hate comments. That really doesn't help because it's still giving that person plays--probably twice as many plays compared to those given by deliberate players.
And some players are just little kids or oblivious of the damage copying and spamming did. They didn't know. They just want to have fun.
So it's their fault, but it's NOT their fault. It's sort of half and half to me.		2012-07-18 18:58:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Well, it's not really Mm's fault. I'm sure they can fix it when they get the time or if they feel the need to.

When they have the time?!? Wow, you certainly are a patient fellow...when did LBP1 launch again? I guess I'm a little more generous, I'm willing to give Mm 100% of the credit for the "Cool" pages debacle. You have to know there will always be a few bad apples, mechanisms need to be put in place so that those few can't ruin things too badly for everyone else.

I'm not sure why people see cool pages as being necessary to "give new players a chance"...it's still an extremely small pipe that you are trying to cram lots of data through. To my knowledge I've never created a "Cool" level...but do my levels get 0 plays...no, no they don't.		2012-07-18 20:14:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

Here's what I know. Mm didn't remove the boo rating to worsen the cool pages. Mm didn't make the copy option to create spam. Stephanie Ravens isn't responsible for the spam, but she did open the can of worms. I'm blaming both Latin_Player_10 and the kids who mindlessly play his levels.2012-07-18 20:22:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I will add a +1 to getting some sort of detector into the game's code when a copied level's published that disallows that level AT ALL (even if the publisher makes substantial changes) from getting onto the Cool Pages. It's not your work.2012-07-18 20:49:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129

I'm not sure why people see cool pages as being necessary to "give new players a chance"...it's still an extremely small pipe that you are trying to cram lots of data through. To my knowledge I've never created a "Cool" level...but do my levels get 0 plays...no, no they don't.
Well, with all of the spammers and copiers of the CP, nobody's getting a chance.		2012-07-18 20:51:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

They better get to the removing them quick because there are still more coming on the cool pages right now and it annoys me. They should remove the copy button and re-add the boo button so that if a level has alot of boos it should not be in the cool pages you know?2012-07-18 22:13:00

Author:
Unknown User

Steven sent me a further Direct Message saying a bit more detailed:


Basically I've had Latin_Player's levels removed from the Cool Pages because he had spammed and filled them beyond belief.		2012-07-18 22:22:00

Author:
Jauw
Posts: 484

They better get to the removing them quick because there are still more coming on the cool pages right now and it annoys me. They should remove the copy button and re-add the boo button so that if a level has alot of boos it should not be in the cool pages you know?
I still can't believe they haven't backpedaled on this annoying decision. They said booing was used to grief people where are they getting this from, are they just talking about emotionally unstable people who are unable to accept that someone dislikes their level? Everyone said back in April that removing it would make Cool Pages a complete wasteland and surprise surprise it is! MMPicks and following the feeds of great creators will always be a great way to find levels but it still bums me out that MM won't work some magic into Cool Pages to make it a better resource.		2012-07-18 22:41:00

Author:
BinaryStarman
Posts: 6

Everyone said back in April that removing it would make Cool Pages a complete wasteland and surprise surprise it is!You make it sound like Cool Pages was a paradise of awesome levels back then. It wasn't.




it still bums me out that MM won't work some magic into Cool Pages to make it a better resource.That's pretty much exactly what they are doing right now. 		2012-07-18 23:19:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

They said booing was used to grief people where are they getting this from, are they just talking about emotionally unstable people who are unable to accept that someone dislikes their level?

Also known as "children". 		2012-07-18 23:29:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

It is silly to think being able to boo would in any way clean up cool levels. the number of people that would care enough to waste their time trying to police the cool levels is so utterly insignificant that it would amount to naught. It is equally silly for Mm to manually remove a few levels, that's a flawed/temporary solution at best. I know Steven's heart is in the right place...but tweak the bot or don't bother. They aren't planning to change the bot are they?2012-07-19 02:26:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

hi guys!.

I have read all your comments about cool pages. well, this is an example and based on my experience in LBP.

1. when you were publishing in LBP1 one level, this level appeared in a miniplaneta where everyone could come to see these published levels, the longer they had published and without a lot of players, these levels went from the newest to the oldest, and finally if the level was not very popular, these three pages would disappear.

2. what happens in LBP2?, when you post a level, it only appears in the most recent and you have to go look for it, this does not work at all, since all players or most of them go straight to cool pages, and only recognized creators levels as is the case Lain_player, levels jump quickly to cool pages.

3. The solution is to return the engine to show LBP1 levels, and also to focus on some kind of logic that quickly examine the level and labels that it contains, to decide if the level goes faster on the first page of publication.

4. finally, children often only look at the title level, for example I had a level called "SUPER MEGA CHALLENGE" in LBP1, this cool quickly climbed up the pages and got 500 players in 1 day, the level was rubbish, a few obstacles and no creativity. LBP2 now working very hard on logic and chambers, some scenes and new things, my levels are at best 12 players, 8 like, and 3 hearts, this is a problem and is making developers lose interest to do something impressive as only the creator and his friends see the level, and never the community.

Not sure when the last time was that you were in LBP1, but they have tons of spammers too.

The problem is the waterfall effect people use. MM knows about, and have even commented on it before. They know.

These people won't stop til MM makes it so you can only have one level on at a time.

Until then, I have a hard time playing a game the developers with a community destroying exploit that they haven't fixed in 2 games in over 3 years. It's just depressing to me to log in and see people winning through cheating while so many people work so hard, but get no recognition because they continue to play by the rules. 		2012-07-19 03:10:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

... it still bums me out that MM won't work some magic into Cool Pages to make it a better resource.

Just have a little patience... consider how much StevenI has done in his short time working there.		2012-07-19 03:47:00

Author:
Chazprime
Posts: 587

I havin't noticed a change on the cool pages there has been a few good levels but theres still copyed levels from Lp on the cool pages...Its sad to think that this is as good as it will get lol...2012-07-19 03:59:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

You make it sound like Cool Pages was a paradise of awesome levels back then. It wasn't.



That's pretty much exactly what they are doing right now.

I mean the rating system at least gave you some idea if a level was worth playing, it's actually pretty backwards for them to remove it.
I hope their plans for improving it go beyond just removing spam, I imagine MM is afraid to mess with it too much because they want to maintain the viral aspect to it rather than turning it into a curated list like MMPicks.		2012-07-19 04:11:00

Author:
BinaryStarman
Posts: 6

You don't need to see boos to know if a level was bad or good. Read the reviews, look at the hearts to plays ratio, play levels from your favorite creators and the levels they are smiling and/or hearting.

I agrre with cymbol, the cool pages are currently rewarding people for doing the exact opposite of what this game is about. And I'm tired of people saying that Share means copy and re-publish, really?		2012-07-19 15:37:00

Author:
shookie99
Posts: 447

There is a ten year old boy that goes to my church. Sometime I bring my psp to church so I'll have something to do between Sunday school and the morning service. And Justin always wants to play lbp. He actually has beta tested a few of my psp levels. His dad bought a ps3 last week and got Justin a copy of lbp2.

That should be great right? Not really. All he wanted to talk about was how cool the Mortal Kombat, Angry Birds, and Shark survival levels were.

He even asked me if I had heard of LatinPlayer. Lol.

I tried to explain to him that the cool level section wasn't really that cool, but I have a feeling he was ignoring me. I told him to check out the profile of some good creators and to see what levels they have hearted, but I could tell he was still thinking about how cool those shark levels were. :eek:

Oh well.... I tried. 		2012-08-05 18:40:00

Author:
VelcroJonze
Posts: 1305

It's still another recruit though. He'll be a grown up one day2012-08-05 19:20:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I can't believe this thread is still alive and thriving.


The cool pages are forever doomed. End of story. Just play Mm Picks and hearted creator levels. There... problem solved. No more debate. They'll never change the cool pages in LBP2 because what's done is done. It would take a huge rehaul of the server and it's not worth it for financial reasons since the game is past its prime. Look to the future folks, LBP1 and 2 are oooold now. Some fun stuff but the majority of players are going to be looking forward to the new stuff.... like call of duty -_- ugh...		2012-08-13 22:30:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

I can't believe this thread is still alive and thriving.Ehm..... It wasn't alive until you bumped it. 2012-08-13 22:37:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

I can't believe this thread is still alive and thriving.


The cool pages are forever doomed. End of story. Just play Mm Picks and hearted creator levels. There... problem solved. No more debate. They'll never change the cool pages in LBP2 because what's done is done. It would take a huge rehaul of the server and it's not worth it for financial reasons since the game is past its prime. Look to the future folks, LBP1 and 2 are oooold now. Some fun stuff but the majority of players are going to be looking forward to the new stuff.... like call of duty -_- ugh...

Even if you think there's no hope, there's always hope. This is why they need to introduce a new rating system. I'll try to report Latin_Player, but what Sony should do is to allow reporting features write down a reason why you're making the report to be specific and adequate.		2012-08-13 22:39:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

This thread has lived a happy, full life that has brought joy to us all. Sadly the time for this thread has come, so let's wish it farewell and let it rest peacefully in eternal slumber.

*takes off hat*

Locked. :arg:		2012-08-13 23:26:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187


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