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I signed up on this cool website for not so long ago, and it is just unbelievable. Everything is just so insanely cool! Everything work so perfect ..... From the community spotlight to the cool forum! But there is only one thing that is bad. Advertisements!It annoys me! I know that it disappears if you use the mobile version, but it's just not the same! Could wish that ad will go away, it is the only, or all is perfect!2012-06-12 13:56:00

Author:
Unknown User

Yeah, they make me want to buy things - things I don't really want... but I must have them. Glad you're enjoying the site, by the way.2012-06-12 14:03:00

Author:
Ironface
Posts: 432

You can also make the ads disappear by becoming a Donor to the site. 2012-06-12 14:03:00

Author:
Lady_Luck__777
Posts: 3458

So if you donate it will diseaper! Cool! How much money I have to spend?2012-06-12 14:15:00

Author:
Unknown User

Not only that.
As little as $10 dollars
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/misc.php?do=donate		2012-06-12 14:29:00

Author:
Lady_Luck__777
Posts: 3458

Yep! And they go away for life. Plus, you earn Donor Status, which is a nice little bonus bundle of features that we offer as a thank-you for supporting us.

As to the advertisements: ads are our way of staying afloat. We ask for donations, but because of how unpredictable they can be, we can't rely solely on them for income. Ads provide a much more reliable source of income - we can predict how much money they're going to be making three months from now, but we can't do that with donations. So we use the two in tandem so that we can afford cool stuff and still be able to provide the experience you've come to expect from LBPCentral. They don't make us a lot, but the little bit they do bring in helps immensely with server fees and the like.		2012-06-12 17:31:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

I see a useless ad that looks like an app from facebook.2012-06-12 20:34:00

Author:
Unknown User

Ahem (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=38046-Advertisement-Blocking-Parts-of-the-Forum!-D&p=658089&viewfull=1#post658089) .2012-06-13 03:19:00

Author:
Incinerator22
Posts: 3251

if it means helping you keep this forum alive and kicking then YES, advertise. 2012-06-13 06:35:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

You can't have a free service like this one and not expect some form of revenue generation in the form of adverts.2012-06-13 08:42:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

So if you donate it will diseaper! Cool! How much money I have to spend?
Please don't allow yourself to be misguided by others. Install AdBlock Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/) or the equivalent for your browser. It doesn't cost anything.

You are also free to block any other element of a page you find obtrusive using AdBlock Plus, or you can splice in your own code using Greasemonkey or Scriptish.		2012-06-14 18:37:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

Please don't allow yourself to be misguided by others. Install AdBlock Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/) or the equivalent for your browser. It doesn't cost anything.

You are also free to block any other element of a page you find obtrusive using AdBlock Plus, or you can splice in your own code using Greasemonkey or Scriptish.

Yeah and every time you use Adblock the services you love lose money, so by using Adblock you are essentially sticking the middle finger up to the majority of the services you use.		2012-06-14 19:58:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I have download Adblock plus, and every add is gone! Yes! Thank you Ayneh! Now is the side perfect!!!2012-06-15 11:30:00

Author:
Unknown User

I have download Adblock plus, and every add is gone! Yes! Thank you Ayneh! Now is the side perfect!!!

But now this 'perfect site' will have a harder time staying afloat.

Thanks		2012-06-15 12:34:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

C`mon Kern, they dont got so much money with only the adds they show to me! AddBlock is great, because if it still was add on this site, I wouldt stop to use this side, so no matter!2012-06-15 17:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

C`mon Kern, they dont got so much money with only the adds they show to me! AddBlock is great, because if it still was add on this site, I wouldt stop to use this side, so no matter!

If everyone thought "Oh it doesn't matter that I use Adblock" every site that relied on advertising would fail.

It's irrelevant whether or not you still use the site, you are removing this site's only way of generating revenue (other than donations.)		2012-06-15 17:53:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

If everyone thought "Oh it doesn't matter that I use Adblock" every site that relied on advertising would fail.

It's irrelevant whether or not you still use the site, you are removing this site's only way of generating revenue (other than donations.)
This is the truth.

We will not ever tell our users they cannot use ad-blocking software to block our ads if they wish, but know that by doing so, you are essentially making it that much harder for us to stay afloat. Even I use Adblock Plus, but out of principle I disable it for sites that use unobtrusive ads to provide an otherwise entirely free service. The reality is, without ads LBPCentral would not exist. I manage LBPCentral's finances on my own, and I can tell you that without ads I would not be able to afford to keep LBPCentral alive.

So, yes, feel free to keep blocking our ads, but know that by doing so you are depriving us of the one thing that ensures there's even a site for you to join in the first place.		2012-06-15 18:29:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_SVd927h0I).

I do use adblock but I have lbpc whitelisted yay!		2012-06-15 19:03:00

Author:
ARD
Posts: 4291

Its just me, they dont get so much money for the adds to only me. No matter, if it still was add I had stop to use the side! So the only thing the AdBlokcer do is to give a new sack to this side!2012-06-15 22:22:00

Author:
Unknown User

After reading that ConfusedCartman has written I have deleted the AdBlock, I have to help the side to still go alive!2012-06-15 22:25:00

Author:
Unknown User

Yeah and every time you use Adblock the services you love lose money, so by using Adblock you are essentially sticking the middle finger up to the majority of the services you use.
That's really dependent on whether they're pay per view or pay per click ads.

My site and the sites I have helped administer in the past all run at a loss. They're only up because the people involved are passionate and interested in developing and maintaining them.		2012-06-15 23:14:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

I have think on something! The LBPCentral is a big side, their picks have been shown on LBP2! Thats is big! So what if Media Molecole or Sony who own the game had give the side the money their got from the adds! Then the side dont need the money from the adds! The side make the gamers still gaming LBP and still buy thing from the store because they still gaming the game! So what if Sony do like that! Thats have been awesome!2012-06-17 09:14:00

Author:
Unknown User

What do you think?2012-06-17 18:35:00

Author:
Unknown User

That will never happen. :/2012-06-17 18:47:00

Author:
nysudyrgh
Posts: 5482

I have think on something! The LBPCentral is a big side, their picks have been shown on LBP2! Thats is big! So what if Media Molecole or Sony who own the game had give the side the money their got from the adds! Then the side dont need the money from the adds! The side make the gamers still gaming LBP and still buy thing from the store because they still gaming the game! So what if Sony do like that! Thats have been awesome!


What do you think?

That would really not happen. Mm and Sony are businesses and they're not going to throw money at us (or more specifically, ConfusedCartman), they'd make no return except maybe a small few who buy LBP or some DLC, which would hardly equate to the amount needed every month to host this. Yes it'd be nice for us, but businesses aren't about being nice, they're about making money. Spending money is not making money.		2012-06-17 20:52:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

That's really dependent on whether they're pay per view or pay per click ads.

My site and the sites I have helped administer in the past all run at a loss. They're only up because the people involved are passionate and interested in developing and maintaining them.
It'd be nice if I had the resources to do that, but this site is literally worth more than I am financially. If I paid partially out-of-pocket every hosting period, I'd be broke in two months - three if I'm being generous. If I had steady income it'd be a different story, but I'm a nineteen year old college student and this site is huge. It's just not something I can do myself.		2012-06-18 16:46:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

So did AdBlock get blocked?2012-06-19 19:08:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

So did AdBlock get blocked?

Its still working, blocked sigs and avatars are still blocked.		2012-06-19 19:36:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

But now this 'perfect site' will have a harder time staying afloat.

Thanks

Your saying that like the only way the site gets money to stay up are from ads, and I doubt that they lose money from that either. They get paid to put the ads on the site it doesn't matter if I have adblock.		2012-06-19 21:14:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

It'd be nice if I had the resources to do that, but this site is literally worth more than I am financially. If I paid partially out-of-pocket every hosting period, I'd be broke in two months - three if I'm being generous. If I had steady income it'd be a different story, but I'm a nineteen year old college student and this site is huge. It's just not something I can do myself.
You knew what the hosting fees were. If the site isn't sustainable you need to change hosting plan or close the site. A lot of the original team and mods seem to have left so it's more down to you now, right?

Bandwidth can't be a problem for you since you have several loseless PNG images for backgrounds and headers and stuff that amount to well over 1 MB per page.

The forum database is bound to be huge, tens of GB no doubt, but only a small fraction of it is regularly accessed. It's only when people run search queries that it becomes a burden on the server. If that's a problem then use an off-site search engine...

I mean, there's tons of stuff you can do to make the site lighter on its feet...


So did AdBlock get blocked?
Thankfully it's not possible to block how your machine interprets a web page. If it was possible it would be called malware.

Don't worry though, there are many parties with the same repulsive attitude to users working really hard to regulate and block how you access the internet.		2012-06-19 21:49:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

Thankfully it's not possible to block how your machine interprets a web page.


Well something's happened, as all my ads are back as of today (Chrome). Checked YouTube and everything's fine over there, it's just this site. 		2012-06-19 22:45:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

They get paid to put the ads on the site it doesn't matter if I have adblock.

Did you read the entire thread?		2012-06-19 22:51:00

Author:
Speedynutty68
Posts: 1614

Did you read the entire thread?

Nope but still nobody likes ads it ruins some of my enjoyment I get from this site. From my view the ads hurt the site as much as adblock does. Solution would to be find another way to fund the site. I really don't like Kern's "If you use AdBlock your a terrible person" tone.		2012-06-19 23:54:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

Are the ads in LBPC really that terrible? I only get two small banners per page, and they are both the same. They don't cover anything or play any sounds. And I have never seen anything bad in them (it might happen, but you can't be 100% sure in the internet).

I admit that I use AdBlock, but after reading Kernel's comments in this thread I opted to disable it for LBPC. I mostly use it because YouTube was getting worse with its ads (unskippable 30 sec ads in 1 min videos from casual users sometimes).		2012-06-20 00:56:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Nope but still nobody likes ads it ruins some of my enjoyment I get from this site. From my view the ads hurt the site as much as adblock does. Solution would to be find another way to fund the site. I really don't like Kern's "If you use AdBlock your a terrible person" tone.

At least watch the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_SVd927h0I) that was posted... :/ It pretty much explains it in like 5 minutes.

If I wasn't about to go to bed, I would also highlight the key points of this thread. But meh... You seem like a very hardheaded person. So why waste my time?

Btw, what other way to fund the site do you mean? It's advertisements, donations, or money out of CC's pocket. (If we're extremely lucky and the light of heaven has shined upon and other epic chiz like that)

So you want ads to go away to increase your enjoyment of this site? Then pay da man some mula (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/misc.php?do=donate)! Even the lowest amount ($10 USD) will really help in the financial area. :/

And... Ads go away forever if you donate. Since you didn't bother to read the entire thread, I said it again here for you.		2012-06-20 07:14:00

Author:
Speedynutty68
Posts: 1614

I'm saying that to fund the site they shouldn't rely on ads, or even donors. They can pay the site themselves ads and donors just make it easier, but if it turned out EVERYONE use adblock the world wouldn't end it would just make the cost for the site higher.2012-06-20 15:23:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

I'm saying that to fund the site they shouldn't rely on ads, or even donors. They can pay the site themselves ads and donors just make it easier, but if it turned out EVERYONE use adblock the world wouldn't end it would just make the cost for the site higher.

This is exactly why you need to go back and read the entire freaking thread.


They can pay the site themselves


It'd be nice if I had the resources to do that, but this site is literally worth more than I am financially. If I paid partially out-of-pocket every hosting period, I'd be broke in two months - three if I'm being generous. If I had steady income it'd be a different story, but I'm a nineteen year old college student and this site is huge. It's just not something I can do myself.		2012-06-20 15:48:00

Author:
Speedynutty68
Posts: 1614

I did read the thread and I was trying to say this without being a ****, but if he couldn't pay for the site out of his own pocket he shouldn't have started the site. When he started the site he should have took into consideration that people might use AdBlock and not donate. He should always be able to pay for the site himself without relying on those things. Ads and donors should just save him money.2012-06-20 16:08:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

I did read the thread and I was trying to say this without being a ****, but if he couldn't pay for the site out of his own pocket he shouldn't have started the site. When he started the site he should have took into consideration that people might use AdBlock and not donate. He should always be able to pay for the site himself without relying on those things. Ads and donors should just save him money.

First of all, as far as I know, ConfusedCartman didn't start this site. The user 'lbp' did, and CC switched over to the Administrator of the site afterwards. He took on the responsibility for it, and has been doing a mighty fine job keeping it up in order, even if there have been a few hic-ups here and there (although that can be expected, since he's basically the only person keeping it up, besides some help provided by others like Aya042). I know you might think it's irresponsible to take up the responsibility for it, but he did that a while ago, when people were paying more for advertisements, and now they're not, yet it's still been able to be kept up nice and clean. Gdn makes a good point, that the ads aren't even really a problem here. The majority of websites have ads, and people will have to deal. Trust me, there are far worse use of advertisements than how it's implemented here.

Donations and ads are how the website makes a chunk of the money. The donations aren't forced, (otherwise they wouldn't be considered donations) they're just simply encouraged, and yet they don't even take up much space on the site's main page. Advertisements aren't intrusive, but take up what could otherwise just be empty space. The reason CC brings this matter up isn't to complain, but to give fair warning, as many seem to misjudge his reasoning behind it all. Wouldn't you prefer knowing when LBPC begins to get in trouble, having difficulty staying up longer, instead of it being sprung up when it's too late? I know I would.		2012-06-20 17:43:00

Author:
Dragonvarsity
Posts: 5208

Wow, I really don't understand all the complaining.
CC could not have forseen, when he took over, that LBPC would grow to the extent it has. He has continued to keep this FREE community up and running for everyone's enjoyment. He allowed ads and made it where members could donate so he continue to have a FREE site for all of us to enjoy. Members who could donate have because they have chosen to. No one has been forced to.
Sorry to rant but considering we have a place to share ideas, our creations, get help, meet people from all over the world, make friends and just hang around, I don't understand why there is so much negativity. Life comes with little bumps.
Would you rather he let the site close or charge a membership? ( Not really a question, just something to think about)		2012-06-21 15:05:00

Author:
Lady_Luck__777
Posts: 3458

But now this 'perfect site' will have a harder time staying afloat.

Thanks


Yeah and every time you use Adblock the services you love lose money, so by using Adblock you are essentially sticking the middle finger up to the majority of the services you use.

Its not the ads that bother that much me its what Kern is saying. What hes trying to say is that if the site ever goes down blame the people who use AdBlock. If I use AdBlock it really shouldn't affect the site enough to do anything. I also shouldn't get hate messages for using it either...		2012-06-21 15:40:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

I don't see why the advertisements are even a big deal at ALL on this site or why there's a thread about them. They are tiny banners at the top of the screen where you barely spend your time browsing anyway.


Now youtube on the otherhand....THAT'S a problem...		2012-06-21 18:30:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Its not the ads that bother that much me its what Kern is saying. What hes trying to say is that if the site ever goes down blame the people who use AdBlock. If I use AdBlock it really shouldn't affect the site enough to do anything. I also shouldn't get hate messages for using it either...

My point is: if everyone had your mindset the entire internet would fail.		2012-06-21 18:44:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

My point is: if everyone had your mindset the entire internet would fail.

If everyone had AdBlock people on the internet would find another way to make money for their sites besides ads, and if they couldn't oh well.		2012-06-21 20:55:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

If everyone had AdBlock people on the internet would find another way to make money for their sites besides ads, and if they couldn't oh well.

Yeah, you wouldn't be saying "Oh well" if most of the internet had to be shut down because people like you just can't bare to see an ad or two here and there.		2012-06-21 21:25:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

Can this thread be locked please?It's basically just a handful of people constantly bashing eachother about morals. This is a LittleBigPlanet forum...2012-06-21 21:32:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

The way I really think it should be is that every site owner should have enough money in their pocket to keep their site up. ADS SHOULD JUST SAVE MONEY. If everyone started using AdBlock yes a lot of sites would shut down including this one. It would just put more responsibility and work into running a site. My point is sites should never rely on ads to keep them up. You can't say if everyone used AdBlock the internet would fail it wouldn't be the people using AdBlock's fault if ads were to get REALLY bad that you had no choice to but to use AdBlock the site should always have enough money without the ads to keep the site up, and if it doesn't that's not the cause of AdBlock.2012-06-21 22:04:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

The way I really think it should be is that every site owner should have enough money in their pocket to keep their site up. ADS SHOULD JUST SAVE MONEY. If everyone started using AdBlock yes a lot of sites would shut down including this one. It would just put more responsibility and work into running a site. My point is sites should never rely on ads to keep them up. You can't say if everyone used AdBlock the internet would fail it wouldn't be the people using AdBlock's fault if ads were to get REALLY bad that you had no choice to but to use AdBlock the site should always have enough money without the ads to keep the site up, and if it doesn't that's not the cause of AdBlock.

Honestly that is the oddest reasoning I have ever read.

Yes people should understand that running a site costs money, but what if a site suddenly becomes popular and the admin doesn't have the money to maintain a more expensive server? Adverts can provide the necessary revenue for it.

"if ads were to get really bad" but they're not bad are they? They are a tiny little banner at the top and bottom of the screen that is barely noticeable.



Can this thread be locked please?It's basically just a handful of people constantly bashing eachother about morals. This is a LittleBigPlanet forum...

Actually I'd say It is more a debate than a constant bashing.		2012-06-21 23:00:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Actually I'd say It is more a debate than a constant bashing.

Not really a debate when the side with 1 person has no real and/or sensible arguments...		2012-06-21 23:46:00

Author:
Speedynutty68
Posts: 1614

I really don't understand how you don't get this. I've explained it to you multiple time but all you do is ignore me and reply with insults and hate messages. You are trying to say that if too many people use AdBlock sites will lose money and shut down. Yes they will lose money but if they shut down it would be the site owners fault for not having a plan if this happened. If the site gets popular the site owner should have had a plan set already to get a bigger server I thought that would be easy to figure out but apparently not. My point and I'm saying it for the last time THE SITE OWNER SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH MONEY READY TO KEEP THE SITE UP IF ADS FAIL. You can't say "What if the site needs a bigger server then there will need to be ads to keep it up." That should have already been thought out by the owner if you can't afford a huge server don't try to get the site to big than you can afford. If you are going to own a site you need to think this stuff out before you start it.2012-06-22 00:08:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

I really don't understand how you don't get this. I've explained it to you multiple time but all you do is ignore me and reply with insults and hate messages. You are trying to say that if too many people use AdBlock sites will lose money and shut down. Yes they will lose money but if they shut down it would be the site owners fault for not having a plan if this happened. If the site gets popular the site owner should have had a plan set already to get a bigger server I thought that would be easy to figure out but apparently not. My point and I'm saying it for the last time THE SITE OWNER SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH MONEY READY TO KEEP THE SITE UP IF ADS FAIL. You can't say "What if the site needs a bigger server then there will need to be ads to keep it up." That should have already been thought out by the owner if you can't afford a huge server don't try to get the site to big than you can afford. If you are going to own a site you need to think this stuff out before you start it.

Okay let me speak very clearly for you.
1) ConfusedCartman DID NOT start the site, he merely assumed control of it (at the age of 16/17 wasn't it?) Now please explain to me how a 17 year old would have enough money to A. support the site and B. have enough money for every upgrade?

The entire point of the Internet is that it is accessible by everyone, with your idea it would only be available to the rich people who can afford to maintain a server. With adverts it allows anyone to create a website.		2012-06-22 00:16:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

1.) I'm not necessarily talking about this site
2.) I know CC didn't start the site this just means whoever was the STARTER of LBPC should have that about these things before he started the site and left it in the hands of someone who can't afford to pay it himself.
3.) What I or anyone using the site do should never effect the sites ability to stay up.

I know I'm sound like an *** but you can't say "If the site goes down because of lack of money it would be everyone using AdBlock's fault"		2012-06-22 00:26:00

Author:
Halfire
Posts: 132

The only way they get money from ad's are if the ad's are clicked i believe. So really going by what i re-call, which i'm not sure is correct or not.
Using Ad-block to remove them from the web-page really doesn't lose the site any money from ad's, because he clearly wouldn't click them anyway. its why half the time the Ad's are made to make people click them, for example things like Shoot the iPhone 5 times and get one free, people play the game for the sake of it, re-directing them to a fake website, but the website the ad was advertised on, just got a Penny per click. Meh, im babbling.

Peace! <3

*Update. In my defense, if anyone wants to reply to this, i didn't realize, how many people we're "debating" over this. i read what loaded on my screen which was a couple of posts.		2012-06-22 00:31:00

Author:
Unknown User

I think your opinion has been explained. Now could we please move on.2012-06-22 00:33:00

Author:
Lady_Luck__777
Posts: 3458

The only way they get money from ad's are if the ad's are clicked i believe. So really going by what i re-call, which i'm not sure is correct or not.
Using Ad-block to remove them from the web-page really doesn't lose the site any money from ad's, because he clearly wouldn't click them anyway. its why half the time the Ad's are made to make people click them, for example things like Shoot the iPhone 5 times and get one free, people play the game for the sake of it, re-directing them to a fake website, but the website the ad was advertised on, just got a Penny per click. Meh, im babbling.

Peace! <3

Well it depends whether it is pay-per-view or pay-per-click as Ayneh mentioned earlier.


1.) I'm not necessarily talking about this site
2.) I know CC didn't start the site this just means whoever was the STARTER of LBPC should have that about these things before he started the site and left it in the hands of someone who can't afford to pay it himself.
3.) What I or anyone using the site do should never effect the sites ability to stay up.

I know I'm sound like an *** but you can't say "If the site goes down because of lack of money it would be everyone using AdBlock's fault"

I never said that? I said if everyone used Adblock then the Internet as we know it would fail.		2012-06-22 00:34:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Please... stop. Take the "Debate" elsewhere.2012-06-22 00:39:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Since CC and staff have already covered the primary question already, this thread has already served its purpose. So I need to put it to sleep.

Locking.		2012-06-22 00:41:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

Just a final word: regardless of where you think the responsibility of financial support should land, the fact is, it lands in my lap. So I can tell you how important ads are to LBPCentral's survival. I'd never dictate how you download our site - that's your decision - but I will tell you that by choosing to not download the ads, you are ensuring we earn less money. That will always bother me, because by using the site you are honestly costing us money. I think it's reasonable to prefer that you view our ads (which are both PPC and PPV) so that your personal financial impact on this site is at least mitigated some.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem paying out of pocket for those that block ads - I expect a portion of our users to do it, actually - but if you ask me on a personal level, I will tell you the truth. It costs us - me - money. Seeing as LBPCentral provides its users a number of free services, I don't think it's too much to ask that you put up with the ads if you decide to use those services.

That said, I have nothing against those who block our ads. LBPCentral is honestly a work of passion for me. I'd never treat a member of this community differently because they decide to block our ads. I might be honest about the impact it has, sure, but at the end of the day money is not my primary concern. That spot is reserved for the community. For you guys.		2012-06-22 21:42:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729


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