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SuperPhillip Banned - When, How, and Why

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Normally we wouldn't do this, but SuperPhillip was involved enough in the community (two of his levels will be in the upcoming spotlight, although now they will be in the inactive section) that I believe it deserves explanation. Consider this a sort of "test". I want to see what happens if we're completely open about a ban instead of keeping everything tight-lipped. The decision to ban him is irreversible, but I still want to provide the information for you all. It is all in chronological order:
First of all, the below conversation took place back and forth between QuozL and SuperPhillip. It was an informal warning (just a PM) from QuozL to SuperPhillip regarding SuperPhillip's double post:


G'day mate

This is just a reminder that Double Posting (one post after another) and bumping posts is not allowed and is in breach of the forum rules.

You double posted in your thread here (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=p=112377#post112377) so I have merged the two posts into one.

Please take the time to read and understand The Guide (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=5204) and Posting Guidelines (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=5044) threads.

As you are a fairly new member we have only sent you a message explaining things to you this time and pointing you to the forum rules so please take the time to read them. Continued breaches of the site rules will lead to infractions and eventual bans.

If you need someone to post in your thread so you can post updated info ask one of your friends on the site to make a post in your thread for you or use the Edit feature.

You can also delete your previous reply, and post in the thread again, and you can also copy your previous reply, then delete it, then re-paste it with the new information, this will bump your thread as well.

Thank you for your assistance with helping us to keep the forum running smoothly. If you have any questions feel free to send me a PM.

Cheers QuozL

No, no, no. That is complete nonsense.

Bringing up your topic when you have something completely different to add, AND your topic is already buried, there is no reason you should not be able to post then and only then. No triple bumping.

That is absolutely ridiculous. There's many good rules here, but that is a silly one. I did not post two minutes apart like the people you wish to scold.

SuperPhilip,

Whether or not you think it is complete nonsense is irrelevant, those are the rules and you are expected to follow them.

If you read my previous message to you I have told you exactly how you can bump or update your post without being in breach of the rules, I strongly suggest you follow those instructions.

You're bump post was 19 minutes after the first post, in this case you should have used the EDIT feature or copied the previous reply and pasted it in to a new one with the new info and then deleted the first reply.

If you continue to bump and double post you will be given infractions, arguing with the moderation team is also an infractable offense so please just follow my suggestions and you will be able to accomplish what you want without being in breach of the rules.

Cheers QuozL

I'd personally rather argue than pretend to respect someone on a fan forum because they think they've earned it.

That will be all.
After all of that, QuozL consulted me directly to assist him in a proper course of action. I decided to step in. Due to the blatant rudeness SuperPhillip displayed, I served two infractions: Double Posting (2 points/5 days) and Arguing With Staff Over A Disciplinary Decision (3 points/14 days). Along with them went this message:


Due to your rude behavior toward QuozL, you will receive two infractions: one for double posting, and one for arguing with staff over a disciplinary decision.

In the future, if you get in trouble for breaching a rule we have here, but you disagree with it, here's what I suggest: accept the warning/infraction, and post in the Feedback forum a) outlining why you think the rule is irrelevant, and b) suggesting possible alternatives. Instead, you're faced with a 5 day silencing because you couldn't do what was asked of you. Hopefully you'll cool down in that time and realize what you did wrong.
After that was sent, these messages were sent and recieved, in the below order:


I'll keep what I want to say to myself.

Maybe that would be best. Self control is a useful tool.

You keep up with the snappy remarks. Thanks, Yoda.

Actually, you know what ban me.

You and your holier than thou think you're worth something for running a fan site for a video game. It's pathetic. Not to mention that the average age of this site must be 13, and those who aren't act like it...

So **** off, and hope one day the stick in your *** either comes out or goes so deep inside that it impales you. Ciao.

Oh, and Cheers!
Due to his rude and hasty reply, I banned him permanently, along with this reason (which he will see):

Due to request. -Yoda		2009-01-05 08:21:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

Due to request. -Yoda


Rofl... This pretty much made my day...

Anyways, I can't say he didn't have it coming so yeah...		2009-01-05 08:30:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Unfortunate but definitely justified. Good call CC.2009-01-05 08:40:00

Author:
OCK
Posts: 1536

O well

i can't say i'll miss him, though people who don't respect the mods or even more the admins for all the hard work they put into this site, then that is there own fault		2009-01-05 08:46:00

Author:
Thee-Flash
Posts: 3154

Fair enough to be honest.2009-01-05 08:52:00

Author:
Boomy
Posts: 3701

Wait marino was a big member here and we never did this i mean i don't even know how he was banned!2009-01-05 08:56:00

Author:
Thee-Flash
Posts: 3154

Mike, I love the idea of having all bans open as such, but of course, if it means that much trouble to you guys, we can live without it 2009-01-05 08:59:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

Wait marino was a big member here and we never did this i mean i don't even know how he was banned!


Normally we wouldn't do this, but SuperPhillip was involved enough in the community (two of his levels will be in the upcoming spotlight, although now they will be in the inactive section) that I believe it deserves explanation. Consider this a sort of "test". I want to see what happens if we're completely open about a ban instead of keeping everything tight-lipped.

That should answer your question.		2009-01-05 09:00:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

I KNOW!! i can read noob xD,

i'm just saying i would of thought that he would of thought about doing this for marino as he was a popular member		2009-01-05 09:07:00

Author:
Thee-Flash
Posts: 3154

I have received the same warning today, but, since I am a fansite moderator, the italian one for gta4, I understand what means respecting the rules of a forum.

I don't find that particular rule so silly, 'cause there IS and edit option, so the way the staff warned superphillip finds me completely of the same opinion.
That was a only warning.

In any case and IMHO maybe the banning is a strong decision, the admin of GTA4 (Attila) didn't banned people whose behaviour in the forum was incredibly worse than have a private argue with the staff.
More precisely, it was a public post (in reply to a mine one in wich I was searching for pals to play online and reach the top of the scoreboard)... oh no, the sentence has become too complicated for my bad english... lol
That guy told that we were all nerd videogamers with no chances with girls and so on and so worse...
I'm 31 and play since I was 5... no probs at all... and reading those words again (how many times I've heard those words in my life?... many...) drived me out of control.

But after a long argue, that is still there, he hasn't logged anymore, or at least, he changed is nickname...

So, try to set up things with superp. and give him anoother chanche before permanently ban him.

IMHO.		2009-01-05 09:13:00

Author:
Miglioshin
Posts: 336

though i do like the gossip (and i do like my gossip ), it seems a waste of time for you to explain yourselves as to why. also i feel it may make things worse rather than better as people may try to mess with the rules and rule keepers.2009-01-05 09:18:00

Author:
muttjones
Posts: 843

I don't agree with the double-posting rule (it is widely known that double-posting and posting twice in a row in the same thread are two compeltely different things, and the interpretation of double-posting in LBPC is in my opinion incorrect), and I feel his silencing was unjustified. I'm especially dismayed by this part of Quozl's reply:


If you need someone to post in your thread so you can post updated info ask one of your friends on the site to make a post in your thread for you or use the Edit feature.

You can also delete your previous reply, and post in the thread again, and you can also copy your previous reply, then delete it, then re-paste it with the new information, this will bump your thread as well.

This is a horrible, horrible policy. Think about what you're advocating for a second with common sense. Instead of posting new info on a thread that is buried deep in the archives, you would have to ask someone else to bump the thread or go through all the trouble of deleting your previous post and posting again?! The only effect of deleting your previous post is that the info about when you posted the original reply is lost. It achieves nothing else. Having this kind of a rule does nothing but make things difficult for the users.

His reply to Quozl makes perfect sense and is 100% correct:

No, no, no. That is complete nonsense.

Bringing up your topic when you have something completely different to add, AND your topic is already buried, there is no reason you should not be able to post then and only then. No triple bumping.

That is absolutely ridiculous. There's many good rules here, but that is a silly one. I did not post two minutes apart like the people you wish to scold.

Using the 'arguing with the staff' card on that reply feels like abuse of power to me.


Since this is by far the best LittleBigPlanet community site, I'll leave this at noting that I'm fairly disappointed. SuperPhillip's ban was justified after the insults he threw, but I don't agree with the original arguing with the staff infraction.

I'm sorry that this is probably not the result you wanted for explaining the ban, but since this information is out there, I'm not going to resist on posting on the topic.

EDIT:
Corrected my statement - the ban was justified, after all. I just don't like the part that led to the final discussion with CC.		2009-01-05 09:19:00

Author:
Linque
Posts: 607

Sorry muttjones i don't agree i like to know why people get banned to see if it's fair or not.......

linque has a VERY strong point...!		2009-01-05 09:19:00

Author:
Thee-Flash
Posts: 3154

I have received the same warning today, but, since I am a fansite moderator, the italian one for gta4, I understand what means respecting the rules of a forum.

I don't find that particular rule so silly, 'cause there IS and edit option, so the way the staff warned superphillip finds me completely of the same opinion.
That was a only warning.

In any case and IMHO maybe the banning is a strong decision, the admin of GTA4 (Attila) didn't banned people whose behaviour in the forum was incredibly worse than have a private argue with the staff.
More precisely, it was a public post (in reply to a mine one in wich I was searching for pals to play online and reach the top of the scoreboard)... oh no, the sentence has become too complicated for my bad english... lol
That guy told that we were all nerd videogamers with no chances with girls and so on and so worse...
I'm 31 and play since I was 5... no probs at all... and reading those words again (how many times I've heard those words in my life?... many...) drived me out of control.

But after a long argue, that is still there, he hasn't logged anymore, or at least, he changed is nickname...

So, try to set up things with superp. and give him anoother chanche before permanently ban him.

IMHO.

the problem was he went out of his way to bad mouth cartman by sending a message right after he had sent one previously.


Sorry muttjones i don't agree i like to know why people get banned to see if it's fair or not.......

linque has a VERY strong point...!

Every ban has seemed justifiable up to date. none of them have been unfair and i trust that none will be in the future.		2009-01-05 09:21:00

Author:
muttjones
Posts: 843

Hmm, this makes me glad whoever it was ( i cant remember) made me merge my posts together in a thread, or this coulda been me, already (though i wouldnt have argued, so i guess it wouldnt have been me)
sorry about the spelling btw, i have had 3 hours of sleep int he last 3 days
Edit: it was Creative who told me thanks creative		2009-01-05 09:28:00

Author:
Unknown User

Hmm, this makes me glad whoever it was ( i cant remember) made me merge my posts together in a thread, or this coulda been me, already (though i wouldnt have argued, so i guess it wouldnt have been me)
sorry about the spelling btw, i have had 3 hours of sleep int he last 3 days
Edit: it was Creative who told me thanks creative
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q63/crazygoji/icon_awesomeforum.gif

It's alright buddy, always glad to help a friend 		2009-01-05 09:32:00

Author:
Unknown User

I haz friend!! 2009-01-05 09:38:00

Author:
Unknown User

You know what... SP wasn't a bad member at all, he was banned for two silly things? I know he asked but that was after taking a load of crap.

I agree that this is abuse of power, and that this IS nonsense. It's lessened my opinions of some of the Staff too. I love this site, I just think that some of the lesser abusers are getting punished.		2009-01-05 09:38:00

Author:
Bear
Posts: 2079

I don't think Cartman is ever going to make public justifications anymore 2009-01-05 09:42:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

I haz friend!!
Indeed you do :hero:


I don't think Cartman is ever going to make public justifications anymore
Fixed 		2009-01-05 09:44:00

Author:
Unknown User

Whoa, he turned a little sour at the end there. I guaruntee you he regrets that decision already. Heck, I'm willing to bet that he has read this thread too. We'll never know.2009-01-05 09:57:00

Author:
UmJammerSully
Posts: 1097

Whoa, he turned a little sour at the end there. I guaruntee you he regrets that decision already. Heck, I'm willing to bet that he has read this thread too. We'll never know.

He hasn't 		2009-01-05 10:15:00

Author:
DrunkMiffy
Posts: 2758

hmm i kinda liked him
But, i have to say he was being kinda rude.		2009-01-05 10:23:00

Author:
Yarbone
Posts: 3036

You know what... SP wasn't a bad member at all, he was banned for two silly things? I know he asked but that was after taking a load of crap.

I agree that this is abuse of power, and that this IS nonsense. It's lessened my opinions of some of the Staff too. I love this site, I just think that some of the lesser abusers are getting punished.

I'm curious as to how you think it was abuse of power?

1) I sent him a PM (NOT A WARNING OR INFRACTION) explaining to him three different ways he could bump his post within the forum rules and told him if he had any questions to PM me. I also pointed him to the forum rules in case he wasn't aware of them. I don't make the rules I enforce them as I have been asked to by LBP and ConfusedCartman as the admins of this forum and in this case it was a PM explaining to him how he could avoid a future issue with the rules nothing more, he replied in the way he did.

2) My second reply to him again instructed him to read the three different ways he could avoid the double post rule and still bump his post. He still wasn't given an official warning or infraction at this point.

3) After his last reply I sent the issue to Cartman to deal with independently from me as the senior administrator and he continued to abuse Cartman.

I have sent in excess of 40 of these messages to new members in the last half of December until today who have double posted and not one has ever reacted like this and in all most all cases they have thanked me for the info and in some asked for clarification or help with another issue.

I can't see how it was an abuse of power, it was SuperPhillip who reacted in a rude and abusive manner in each case so I would appreciate you pointing out to me how either I or ConfusedCartman abused our power?

Cheers QuozL		2009-01-05 10:25:00

Author:
QuozL
Posts: 921

Alright, I will. SP replied to your first post giving his honest opinion, not arguing. Saying that he was arguing with staff is complete nonsense, and I think that's abusing your power.

After this, SP must have gotten angry with you saying that, which most people would have done. Eventually, you asked Cartman about it and then he silenced him - WHAT THE HECK!? OVER FREAKING DOUBLE POSTING, HE WAS SILENCED!?!

After that, I would've gotten pretty steamed again. I wouldn't have wanted to be banned, but I would've been furious.

The part about arguing with staff is the biggest crap I've ever heard, that's where I think the abuse of power DOES come in.		2009-01-05 10:46:00

Author:
Bear
Posts: 2079

Alright, I will. SP replied to your first post giving his honest opinion, not arguing. Saying that he was arguing with staff is complete nonsense, and I think that's abusing your power.

After this, SP must have gotten angry with you saying that, which most people would have done. Eventually, you asked Cartman about it and then he silenced him - WHAT THE HECK!? OVER FREAKING DOUBLE POSTING, HE WAS SILENCED!?!

After that, I would've gotten pretty steamed again. I wouldn't have wanted to be banned, but I would've been furious.

The part about arguing with staff is the biggest crap I've ever heard, that's where I think the abuse of power DOES come in.

He said "You know what, ban me!" and then started swearing at the staff and you don't think that justifies a ban?		2009-01-05 10:51:00

Author:
UmJammerSully
Posts: 1097

I do like this idea of giving us all the information :o2009-01-05 10:52:00

Author:
Boomy
Posts: 3701

He said "You know what, ban me!" and then started swearing at the staff and you don't think that justifies a ban?

He swore in his SECOND reply, as I recall. It justifies a ban, but threatening him before that didn't deserve anything.		2009-01-05 10:54:00

Author:
Bear
Posts: 2079

Oh, not to mention he insulted all of us.


Actually, you know what ban me.

You and your holier than thou think you're worth something for running a fan site for a video game. It's pathetic. Not to mention that the average age of this site must be 13, and those who aren't act like it...

So **** off, and hope one day the stick in your *** either comes out or goes so deep inside that it impales you. Ciao.

Oh, and Cheers!

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. ^_^		2009-01-05 10:54:00

Author:
UmJammerSully
Posts: 1097

I'm not 13 :l2009-01-05 10:55:00

Author:
Boomy
Posts: 3701

Oh, not to mention he insulted all of us.



Don't let the door hit you on the way out. ^_^


You know what, I couldn't care less if he wanted me dead, I'd fight his corner. He didn't deserve to be threatened with a silence in the first place, the rest of it was fine by me.		2009-01-05 10:55:00

Author:
Bear
Posts: 2079

You know what, I couldn't care less if he wanted me dead, I'd fight his corner. He didn't deserve to be threatened with a silence in the first place, the rest of it was fine by me.


I'd personally rather argue than pretend to respect someone on a fan forum because they think they've earned it.

That will be all.

Well got silenced for that which seems pretty justified to me. 5 day silence is no big deal really but he kicked up a fuss anyway.		2009-01-05 10:59:00

Author:
UmJammerSully
Posts: 1097

Alright, I will. SP replied to your first post giving his honest opinion, not arguing. Saying that he was arguing with staff is complete nonsense, and I think that's abusing your power.

After this, SP must have gotten angry with you saying that, which most people would have done. Eventually, you asked Cartman about it and then he silenced him - WHAT THE HECK!? OVER FREAKING DOUBLE POSTING, HE WAS SILENCED!?!

After that, I would've gotten pretty steamed again. I wouldn't have wanted to be banned, but I would've been furious.

The part about arguing with staff is the biggest crap I've ever heard, that's where I think the abuse of power DOES come in.

Alright, honestly? You don't have a clue on how much work goes into keeping these forums clean and tidy. Do you really think that we want to argue every decision we make?

Of course we don't, nor should we have to.

(Short answer, very tired>.>)		2009-01-05 11:00:00

Author:
DrunkMiffy
Posts: 2758

Originally Posted by SuperPhillip
Actually, you know what ban me.

You and your holier than thou think you're worth something for running a fan site for a video game. It's pathetic. Not to mention that the average age of this site must be 13, and those who aren't act like it...

So **** off, and hope one day the stick in your *** either comes out or goes so deep inside that it impales you. Ciao.

Oh, and Cheers!

Does he know that the game is intended for adults mostly but they wouldn't rate the game 18 as of it's cuteness...
He was such a jerk in those messages...
:/		2009-01-05 11:03:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

Hmmm... personally, i think it was the right thing to do, he overreacted way to much to the point where it was unacceptable...2009-01-05 11:05:00

Author:
Unknown User

Y'know what? I haven't been here that long, and I don't regret coming here at all.

These forums are the best that I've ever been on, and I can see that MASSES of work goes into this site.

I don't think that I should comment on things like this again, I'm not a fan of the outcome and it's not really worth it. NOTHING about infractions is worth talking about, so I'd prefer if threads like these weren't made and people could just not even mention stuff like this.

I remember saying similar words to that last paragraph before I left another forum. I wouldn't like to leave this one though, so I can't understand why people are ASKING to be banned nowadays.

EDIT: LBPC rawks, arguing sucks. It's just a stupid game, not a big deal at all.		2009-01-05 11:06:00

Author:
Bear
Posts: 2079

I'm not either!! how dare he infer such a thing?!?! (is infer even a word?)
Yeah, it is 		2009-01-05 11:07:00

Author:
Unknown User

Yeah, it is

cool, i thought so, my vocabulary grows ever....bigger?		2009-01-05 11:08:00

Author:
Unknown User

Y'know what? I haven't been here that long, and I don't regret coming here at all.

These forums are the best that I've ever been on, and I can see that MASSES of work goes into this site.

I don't think that I should comment on things like this again, I'm not a fan of the outcome and it's not really worth it. NOTHING about infractions is worth talking about, so I'd prefer if threads like these weren't made and people could just not even mention stuff like this.

I remember saying similar words to that last paragraph before I left another forum. I wouldn't like to leave this one though, so I can't understand why people are ASKING to be banned nowadays.

CC stated it was a "test" in the first post. Just trying to see how you'd all react to different information about why people are banned and whathaveyou.		2009-01-05 11:10:00

Author:
DrunkMiffy
Posts: 2758

CC stated it was a "test" in the first post. Just trying to see how you'd all react to different information about why people are banned and whathaveyou.

Well personally, I like it. If he hadn't I would have been like "WTF y he get bant?".		2009-01-05 11:14:00

Author:
UmJammerSully
Posts: 1097

I had a run-in with Maltay over the very same rule some 4 months ago. If these rules were in place back then, I would've been banned, no doubt about it.


EDIT:
I keep coming back to this thread - I can't help it. Removed part of the post as I know it will not achieve anything. 		2009-01-05 11:16:00

Author:
Linque
Posts: 607

You know what, I couldn't care less if he wanted me dead, I'd fight his corner. He didn't deserve to be threatened with a silence in the first place, the rest of it was fine by me.

Neither QuozL or CC ever threatened him with a silence though?		2009-01-05 11:35:00

Author:
DrunkMiffy
Posts: 2758

Eh, as a moderator myself in other forums (one with over 100,000 members) I'm not so keen to openly discussing someone's banning like this. I can understand why you did it and hopefully you're getting an idea of how it is falling through, but these kinds of events really should be kept between the moderators and those who are banned.

Now discussing the reasons people get banned is one thing, but bringing up a member in such a way is somewhat unnecessary. Now I'm not judging SuperPhillip's character in any way considering I don't know him personally, but when you're angry... people tend to say stuff they might not necessarily mean. Doing this just makes it worse as it makes it seem like we're all pointing fingers at him and that can open up an unnecessary can of worms.

Was he in the wrong? Sure. Did he have to blow up the way he did? Nope. Does that justify a permaban? That's not for me to decide. But the issue here is what will be resulting because of the open discussion of this situation. And now that it's out, there's no turning back.		2009-01-05 11:40:00

Author:
gevurah22
Posts: 1476

You know what... SP wasn't a bad member at all, he was banned for two silly things?

You obviously didn't ever have a contrary opinion to him. The guy just snaps at you and calls you out as a moron and pathetic without a second thought. No one saw the altercation between me and him beause I had the decency to talk to him in private when a new member asked me for help with a problem that member was having with him. I wrote him privately and quite candidly and being very polite about the issue. I am not staff, but if I and two other members here are distiguished it's because the staff believes we can be of help and we get how the forum works. So I wrote to him and he proceeded to insult and snob in a way I have not seen since elementary school. He however didn't pursue on the subject I told him to drop, so I let it go and this never came to the staff's attention. This guy deserves what he got. He was disrespectful and rude. The reason he got banned doesn't really matter imo. This staff is full of great folks and we couldn't be luckier to have people who put what's right above what they feel like doing.

There are 2 bottom lines here:

A) SP was a bad apple. His ban was legitimate and I'm sure any other member would not have been so quickly dismissed (i.e. he really deserved it).

B) This kind of thread is not a good idea. The staff is well enough diversified to make legitimate decisions, and these kinds of matter need not be public.

EDIT: I think you said it best:


Does that justify a permaban? That's not for me to decide.		2009-01-05 11:41:00

Author:
KAPBAM
Posts: 1348

Neither QuozL or CC ever threatened him with a silence though?

Well actually they did by speaking about double posting and arguing with a member of staff.		2009-01-05 11:42:00

Author:
Bear
Posts: 2079

Well actually they did by speaking about double posting and arguing with a member of staff.

No, there was no mention of silencing until CC told him he was automatically put in the Silenced group, because of his two infractions.

He was never threatened with it.		2009-01-05 11:46:00

Author:
DrunkMiffy
Posts: 2758

No, there was no mention of silencing until CC told him he was automatically put in the Silenced group, because of his two infractions.

He was never threatened with it.

Okay, I'm not going to talk on any of these matters again, it's not really my business anyhow.		2009-01-05 11:49:00

Author:
Bear
Posts: 2079

I don't agree with the double-posting rule (it is widely known that double-posting and posting twice in a row in the same thread are two compeltely different things, and the interpretation of double-posting in LBPC is in my opinion incorrect), and I feel his silencing was unjustified. I'm especially dismayed by this part of Quozl's reply:



This is a horrible, horrible policy. Think about what you're advocating for a second with common sense. Instead of posting new info on a thread that is buried deep in the archives, you would have to ask someone else to bump the thread or go through all the trouble of deleting your previous post and posting again?! The only effect of deleting your previous post is that the info about when you posted the original reply is lost. It achieves nothing else. Having this kind of a rule does nothing but make things difficult for the users.

His reply to Quozl makes perfect sense and is 100% correct:


Using the 'arguing with the staff' card on that reply feels like abuse of power to me.


Since this is by far the best LittleBigPlanet community site, I'll leave this at noting that I'm fairly disappointed. SuperPhillip's ban was justified after the insults he threw, but I don't agree with the original arguing with the staff infraction.

I'm sorry that this is probably not the result you wanted for explaining the ban, but since this information is out there, I'm not going to resist on posting on the topic.

EDIT:
Corrected my statement - the ban was justified, after all. I just don't like the part that led to the final discussion with CC.

Thank you.
You saved me a lot of trouble by putting everything down like that, and I can't say that I agree more.

I'd also like to point out that there has been a number of times where I was forced to double-post in the Caption Thread just to hand out an extra rule, or to make the awards post (although that has more justification, and I do understand why nothing was said about that), yet I never received any warning for it.

Also, I don't think you guys should trouble yourselves with informing us why someone was banned (for the most part, there may be a few instances where it is justified). You're pretty much bound to get some form of disagreement, and sure, it is possible that by listening to what people have to say you may be able to improve your moderation methods, but despite that it seems unethical, and to some extent one might even call it bragging.

Long story short: we don't need to know.		2009-01-05 12:38:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

/me thinks about his first few pm's with QuozL..

looks at this post..
/me hugs QuozL		2009-01-05 13:14:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

Hmph. No one banned ME when I was emo and begging to be banned.

Why are Marino and SuperPhillip ok to be banned by simply asking, but I'm not?!

... Anywho, yeah. I can totally understand banning him after that last pm he sent, but, like others, I suppose I can see why the conversation leading up to it may have been bad :/.

I have heard that GameTrailers has an auto merge function. If double posting is such a big problem, than shouldn't we see if we can get one of those mods to automerge double posts if possible?		2009-01-05 13:55:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Hmph. No one banned ME when I was emo and begging to be banned.

Why are Marino and SuperPhillip ok to be banned by simply asking, but I'm not?!

... Anywho, yeah. I can totally understand banning him after that last pm he sent, but, like others, I suppose I can see why the conversation leading up to it may have been bad :/.

I have heard that GameTrailers has an auto merge function. If double posting is such a big problem, than shouldn't we see if we can get one of those mods to automerge double posts if possible?

The simple fact that we're imitating them is an insult. >_<

It was proposed before, but I can't remember what the reason was, so to put things simply: no can do.

It was something like that. >_>		2009-01-05 13:59:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

I honestly don't think threads like this are necessary.

There are several things to consider :

For one, most people are generally not concerned by it. For example, I'm replying to this thread even though I only knew SuperPhillip by name. Generally, only a few people would be concerned with someone's banning, and I think in this case it's best if they communicate with the staff or the banned person directly if they have an issue.

Secondly, this sheds a bad light on the person being banned. For instance, I could judge from the messages posted that he was simply an immature and selfish person who we are better off without. Whether this is true or not I would not know since I did not associate with him.

Lastly, I feel making bans public in this way would actually encourage some people to follow the bad example and act immaturely and disrespectfully in the belief that there is an ongoing abuse of power from the staff.

I don't think that any good that comes out of threads like these would be worth the trouble.		2009-01-05 14:24:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

I have heard that GameTrailers has an auto merge function. If double posting is such a big problem, than shouldn't we see if we can get one of those mods to automerge double posts if possible?

Indeed, that option is VERY handy.
One of the forums I'm on has it too, mods don't complain about double posts =)

anyway, I'd love to see why some people were banned, because some people are close to some people and if they don't know why the other one got banned...I'd get mad
But meh, never liked SP anyway.
he acted "too mature" on this forum in some way, and thinks he's cool by insulting the staff..		2009-01-05 14:56:00

Author:
oldage
Posts: 2824

Wait marino was a big member here and we never did this i mean i don't even know how he was banned!

wait he was banned? i thought he was just gone a looo... oh hahaha that explains it, nvm ^.^

Cheers!		2009-01-05 15:19:00

Author:
RAINFIRE
Posts: 1101

I'd say there should be a thread, dedicated to bans.
A mod, or an admin could keep the first post updated, with all the latest bans + the reason.
That'd stop these threads dedicated to 1 member
or....admins or mods could write the reason of the ban in their sig...		2009-01-05 15:25:00

Author:
oldage
Posts: 2824

There's an "Arguing with staff about bans" rule?

Anybody else think this rule is bull?		2009-01-05 16:20:00

Author:
Johnny Pteran
Posts: 55

This is a strange thread but I think the ban was justified because of his outburst at the end. I'm not so sure about the stuff leading up to it, but I really don't care either way. To be honest, most of us here will go home after work or school and not even think about it.

The one thing I'm concerned about is the fact that private messages are now in the public eye. To me that is a really big no-no. You just don't do it.		2009-01-05 16:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

There's an "Arguing with staff about bans" rule?

Anybody else think this rule is bull?

It's actually "Arguing with Staff over a disciplinary decision", and I don't see the problem with this rule. In real life, you generally don't want to start an argument with police officers, that's just looking for trouble (which you will generally find).

The fact of the matter is, the staff will only take action in cases where someone has broken the rules, that's what they have to do to keep the forums working. The rules should be known to all, and there are only about 10 of them according to the forum guide.

I believe you can argue certain rules if you do so in the feedback forum and give your reasons why a rule should be changed in a polite and understandable manner. You need to be ready to accept the fact that the staff and other forum members may disagree with you, and that the rule may remain unchanged.

Arguing directly to a staff member after you've broken a rule really doesn't accomplish anything, apart from wasting your time and the staff's.		2009-01-05 17:00:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

There's an "Arguing with staff about bans" rule?

Anybody else think this rule is bull?

Well, like Gilgamesh said, it's just "Arguing with Staff".
And how so? If that rule wasn't there, I could see a lot of members pointlessly challenging the staffs decisions. But we're not unprocurable . We're not saying you guys can't challenge the staff's decisions, what would the forum be without its members? But don't push it. I see people basically pointlessly disrespecting and challenging the staff anyway every day in their own way, do we really have hold everyone's hands around here?

That infraction is only given to those that really deserve it.



I'd say there should be a thread, dedicated to bans.
A mod, or an admin could keep the first post updated, with all the latest bans + the reason.
That'd stop these threads dedicated to 1 member
or....admins or mods could write the reason of the ban in their sig...

No...This has been suggested before.
I'm totally against anything like that, unless a really forward explanation is needed.
It's not really any normal member's business why members get banned.
Things are better kept as "Confidential", between the staff. Some members might be embarrassed for the reason why they were banned, or simply don't want others to know.(Would you want people to know why you got banned?)		2009-01-05 18:02:00

Author:
Forsaken
Posts: 950

Well, like Gilgamesh said, it's just "Arguing with Staff".
And how so? If that rule wasn't there, I could see a lot of members pointlessly challenging the staffs decisions. But we're not unprocurable . We're not saying you guys can't challenge the staff's decisions, what would the forum be without its members? But don't push it. I see people basically pointlessly disrespecting and challenging the staff anyway every day in their own way, do we really have hold everyone's hands around here?

That infraction is only given to those that really deserve it.




No...This has been suggested before.
I'm totally against anything like that, unless a really forward explanation is needed.
It's not really any normal member's business why members get banned.
Things are better kept as "Confidential", between the staff. Some members might be embarrassed for the reason why they were banned, or simply don't want others to know.(Would you want to know why you got banned?)
Hm... Is that a trick question?		2009-01-05 18:09:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well, apparently I missed something. Again. I always seem to be in the wrong timezone.

There is a difference between questioning actions of staff, which I am a strong advocate of simply for the sake of transparency and justice, and arguing. I am frankly not very sure how it applies to the above events. Considering we're just talking about a mere infraction, if it came down to it I'd say it'd be justified as the staff deem it warranted.

But as future advice, I wholly agree that questions of policy should be debated within Feedback, not with the specific member of staff. Take it to the legislature.

Upon which, I accept and hold to Linque's definitions, and have operated as such in the past.		2009-01-05 18:24:00

Author:
Mark D. Stroyer
Posts: 632

I'd say there should be a thread, dedicated to bans.
A mod, or an admin could keep the first post updated, with all the latest bans + the reason.
That'd stop these threads dedicated to 1 member


Make it a locked thread, we don't need 5+ pages of posts for every ban.		2009-01-05 18:51:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

I'll be quick:

Double Posting: We're looking into an addon that will allow us to remove that rule completely. If it works, hopefully we can avoid issues regarding Double Posting in the future.

Open Ban Info: Won't happen again. Stirs up too much vociferous opinion to be worth it.

SuperPhillip: Warned fairly for something that many other members have been warned for as well, and he still chose to argue with the moderator instead of saying "OK" and posting a thread in Feedback regarding his feelings toward that rule. If he had done so, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and he'd still be here.

You guys: are awesome. Even when you strongly disagree with the staff, you still offer alternatives and suggestions, you still stay mature about it. Best forum members ever.

Topic: Closed. No more discussion is needed. If you have anything to say, feel free to PM me (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/private.php?do=newpm&u=118) or post in Feedback (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19). I'm open to suggestion, argument, and straight-up criticism.		2009-01-05 19:30:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729


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