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New Escape Plan DLC (now with official costume render)

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Hello Sacknations!

Today I downloaded last LBP2 patch 1.12 and explored its content.

And found some information about not only already announced Journey DLC, but also about new Escape Plan DLC.

So here is it some new information about content of Journey DLC:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6037/7019082393_ae62f376d1_z.jpg

Costume:

journey_eyes
journey_head
journey_outfit
journey_torso

Stickers:

ancestor_glow
ancestorcard
banner
deadbanner
face
fish
fish2
gravestone
guardian
guardian1
jellyfish
journeycharacter
pilgrimage
running
sandcity
strand swarm
sun

Also there is some strange info about cloth/low_gravity. I don't know what it can be, but looks very interesting.

And here is info about content of Escape Plan DLC:

http://www.totalvideogames.com/img/uploaded/www.totalvideogames.com_9812escapeplan-charachters_77412__size_655_1500.jpg

Costume:

lil_hands
lil_head
lil_torso
lil_skin_3


Please note, that all information above is not official, so real DLC content may vary from my findings

From Russia with love,
Domik12

P.S. if I abused some laws or licence agreements please let me know I and will delete this information.

Update: Here is official Escape Plan costume render:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/156179_10150661588031831_12427296830_9435056_25884 5713_n.jpg
2012-04-17 09:12:00

Author:
Domik12
Posts: 838


Good job! You're the best! 2012-04-17 09:32:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112


http://www.totalvideogames.com/img/uploaded/www.totalvideogames.com_9812escapeplan-charachters_77412__size_655_1500.jpg


you know what would be nice? if who ever codes/designs these costumes would stop being lazy and make them have skinny limbs like the real characters have here. that type of thing looked very nice on some of the LBP2 story-mode characters. *mew

i just have a feeling that the costumes will be little more then just painted skins... well the fat one may have a fat torso but whatever. but we'll see soon.
2012-04-17 10:02:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


Sorry to be a party pooper, but anyone posting evidence of patch hacking anywhere that we can see it will need to be reported for Terms of Service violation, and they risk having their PSN account banned.

We know you're all eager to see what the next cool thing is, and that finding out gains you kudos, but it's actually it's a massive pain in the *** for us, and is frowned upon *heavily* by the big boys (and girls) at playstation.

Please stop it.




http://www.mediamolecule.com/images/uploads/sad_panda.png
2012-04-17 11:22:00

Author:
Spaff_Molecule
Posts: 421


Sorry to be a party pooper, but anyone posting evidence of patch hacking anywhere that we can see it will need to be reported for Terms of Service violation, and they risk having their PSN account banned.

We know you're all eager to see what the next cool thing is, and that finding out gains you kudos, but it's actually it's a massive pain in the *** for us, and is frowned upon *heavily* by the big boys (and girls) at playstation.

Please stop it.




http://www.mediamolecule.com/images/uploads/sad_panda.png

Hello, James.

Thanks for information.

Please excuse me for this info. I will stop doing it. And right now remove DLC code from my post.

But can we post only some info about future DLC? Or it is illegally too and I I need to remove all info of my first post?


From Russia with love,
Domik12
2012-04-17 11:28:00

Author:
Domik12
Posts: 838


If you found out about the DLC from hacking into a patch then you should not be revealing it.

In this case it's out there now, so there's no point in removing it this time, and i know that you do a lot of great work for the lbp community Dominik so we will let it slide this time - *please* think carefully about revealing patch contents in the future, I'd really rather not have to report anyone!

2012-04-17 11:47:00

Author:
Spaff_Molecule
Posts: 421


If you found out about the DLC from hacking into a patch then you should not be revealing it.

In this case it's out there now, so there's no point in removing it this time, and i know that you do a lot of great work for the lbp community Dominik so we will let it slide this time - *please* think carefully about revealing patch contents in the future, I'd really rather not have to report anyone!



Thanks.

I promise to be a good boy next time and have my lips sealed
2012-04-17 11:52:00

Author:
Domik12
Posts: 838


Well IMO sony or whoever controls the real LBP news should do a better job at bringing us news more early. i've noticed lately they have not been releashing news until the day the DLC is releashed... how are we suppose to get excited about DLC or whatever when you don't putout any info ahead of time? one month ahead of time at least be nice. it's almost like sony don't want us to be excited over new content? i remember back in the LBP1 days MM put out info sometimes a far while before it was out. but not anymore it seems? anyways this is just my opinion on the matter. *mew2012-04-17 12:41:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


Well IMO sony or whoever controls the real LBP news should do a better job at bringing us news more early. i've noticed lately they have not been releashing news until the day the DLC is releashed... how are we suppose to get excited about DLC or whatever when you don't putout any info ahead of time? one month ahead of time at least be nice. it's almost like sony don't want us to be excited over new content? i remember back in the LBP1 days MM put out info sometimes a far while before it was out. but not anymore it seems? anyways this is just my opinion on the matter. *mew

I'll have some lovely costume renders for both Journey and Escape Plan posted on the LittleBigPlanet Facebook page next Monday.
http://www.facebook.com/littlebigplanet
2012-04-17 14:02:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420


I'll have some lovely costume renders for both Journey and Escape Plan posted on the LittleBigPlanet Facebook page next Monday.
http://www.facebook.com/littlebigplanet


Will wait for it impatiently

Thanks Steven for you work with community!

From Russia with love,
Domik12
2012-04-17 14:20:00

Author:
Domik12
Posts: 838


Lol lord have murcy i didin't know you could hack a pach....:o

Thanks tho at least we know whats in it now.
2012-04-17 17:32:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813


Awesome, thanks for the info! But there's only a Lil costume... no Laarg? Either way I'm excited for the Escape Plan levels people are going to make, I can see the Move being integrated well. 2012-04-17 19:53:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


Hmmm i just noticed that....Thats cose it's probble not even thos costumes.... and its proble not even that game...its brings to mind some thing eles that has to do with Gravity .2012-04-17 20:13:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813


Hmm how exactly is it hacking into the patch?

It's a serious question also because I really don't see how it's against the T.O.S?


Unless the extracting part is what's wrong, even though it doesn't use Sony's code. Is that it? It doesn't matter if it's Sony's code being used or not to extract the PKG?(again serious question(also sorry if this post went in alittle bit of a detail post on how))
2012-04-17 22:59:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408


D: Woah, I mentioned on twitter about 7 hours before this original post that some Escape Plan DLC would be awesome; had no idea that this was actually in the works... I kind of feel like some sort of wizard now... o_o2012-04-17 23:11:00

Author:
ShamgarBlade
Posts: 1010


Hmmm i just noticed that....Thats cose it's probble not even thos costumes.... and its proble not even that game...its brings to mind some thing eles that has to do with Gravity .

Gravity Rush? :o
2012-04-17 23:25:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


Hmm how exactly is it hacking into the patch?

*Stuff that most likely be deleted*

It's a serious question also because I really don't see how it's against the T.O.S?


Unless the extracting part is what's wrong, even though it doesn't use Sony's code. Is that it? It doesn't matter if it's Sony's code being used or not to extract the PKG?(again serious question(also sorry if this post went in alittle bit of a detail post on how))

This those are game resources and formally they are copyrighted whatever its text data, normaly you should not have access to them. But i think most fitting point in PSN TOS is:


g. Attempting to hack or reverse engineer any code or equipment in connection with the Sites;

You know wheres update data is by effect of reverse engineering, which breaks this rule

Also this:


n. Using, making or distributing unauthorized software or hardware in conjunction with the Sites, or taking or using any data from the Sites to design, develop or update unauthorized software or hardware.

You are using unauthorized software to download files (aka data) form HTTP server.

There probably other way to interprate this action

Also i dont know why you guys call somethign againts TOS "Illigal", Sony don't have power to create law, rule of TOS is to legally ban from service if you break the rules that you accepted, since some costumer laws allows users to sue companies if they cut you from service for no reason.

My breaking TOS you not breaking the law, but aggredment with service provider, so they can cut you from service, same goes with all NDAs and other stuff like that
2012-04-17 23:28:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991


This those are game resources and formally they are copyrighted whatever its text data, normaly you should not have access to them. But i think most fitting point in PSN TOS is:



You know wheres update data is by effect of reverse engineering, which breaks this rule

Also this:



You are using unauthorized software to download files (aka data) form HTTP server.

There probably other way to interprate this action

Also i dont know why you guys call somethign againts TOS "Illigal", Sony don't have power to create law, rule of TOS is to legally ban from service if you break the rules that you accepted, since some costumer laws allows users to sue companies if they cut you from service for no reason.

My breaking TOS you not breaking the law, but aggredment with service provider, so they can cut you from service, same goes with all NDAs and other stuff like that


Thanks! that clears it up for me. 8^)
2012-04-18 00:37:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408


Gravity Rush? :o

Ding Ding ding your the first

Never thought any one eles would think of that,Yeas Gravity Rush comes to mind.

It may or not be it but thats what i think it could be.


http://defaultprime.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/gravity-rush.jpg
2012-04-18 01:55:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813


Ding Ding ding your the first

Never thought any one eles would think of that,Yeas Gravity Rush comes to mind.

It may or not be it but thats what i think it could be.


http://defaultprime.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/gravity-rush.jpg

Wait wait wait... so you think there will be a new ability to manipulate gravity? That would be pretty awesome.

However then the stick-o-gel from the muppets pack would be kinda pointless... But we can still wish right
2012-04-18 03:14:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


Wait wait wait... so you think there will be a new ability to manipulate gravity? That would be pretty awesome.

This is another reason why we dislike people cracking open the patches and revealing the contents.
If we have something that we need to tell you, then it's always best for such information to come from us personally.

There are no new features being added with the Journey and Escape Plan DLC.
The Journey Costume Pack contains a Costume and some Stickers, whilst the Escape Plan Pack will contain a Costume.
2012-04-18 03:18:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420


whilst the Escape Plan Pack will contain a Costume.

Wait... if you don't mind me asking did you say only one costume for Escape Plan DLC? but Escape Plan is about 2 characters right? why only include one of the two? :0 *mew
2012-04-18 05:12:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


I was talking about the costume lol not a new ability.

I think its sounds odd to only have one costume when there should be 2 :o....How much will a it cost a doller or 2 lol:o
2012-04-18 05:23:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813


think of the size of sackboy and then consider how fat the fat costume would have to be to justify having a thin and a fat one. it would be impractical

what would be nice is to be able to change the number on his shirt as they do in the real game
2012-04-18 19:42:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910


think of the size of sackboy and then consider how fat the fat costume would have to be to justify having a thin and a fat one. it would be impractical


pure nonsense. a fat suit would be easy to add in as a plus. it would not need to be as fat as the real character for to still be worth it.
2012-04-18 19:45:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


pure nonsense. a fat suit would be easy to add in as a plus. it would not need to be as fat as the real character for to still be worth it.

I would agree with this, however look at Laarg and how WIDE apart his arms/legs are. They would have to somehow tweak sackboy's body to make it look even close to the real thing. I don't think it would work very well.
2012-04-18 20:19:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


I would agree with this, however look at Laarg and how WIDE apart his arms/legs are. They would have to somehow tweak sackboy's body to make it look even close to the real thing. I don't think it would work very well.

costumes never look 100% like the real thing. just a simple fat suit would be enough.
2012-04-18 20:21:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


Wait... if you don't mind me asking did you say only one costume for Escape Plan DLC? but Escape Plan is about 2 characters right? why only include one of the two? :0 *mew

They look the same but one is fat and 2nd is thin, i think it would be hard to make fat one in LBP
2012-04-18 20:34:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991


I agree with fumetsusozo! They should at least add a fat torso or something...2012-04-18 20:40:00

Author:
AntonyHelen
Posts: 127


They look the same but one is fat and 2nd is thin, i think it would be hard to make fat one in LBP

They also have different numbers...
2012-04-18 20:41:00

Author:
AntonyHelen
Posts: 127


They look the same but one is fat and 2nd is thin, i think it would be hard to make fat one in LBP

i'm gonna have to disagree on that... err whatever don't matter what i think here really. to be honest i was not asking just anyone. i don't want just a opinion. so people please stop answering the question I asked that's for a MM or whatever LBP workers that know how this stuff works. *mew
2012-04-18 20:41:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


i'm gonna have to disagree on that... err whatever don't matter what i think here really. to be honest i was not asking just anyone. i don't want just a opinion. so people please stop answering the question I asked that's for a MM or whatever LBP workers that know how this stuff works. *mew

Well thats my guess I believe costumes (specially torso) got some size limits or else it's different models like story characters, but we yet to see any DLC like that
2012-04-18 21:10:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991


Why not make one part of the costume for the body like the puffer fish costume? When you make an emotion, it could inflate and deflate?

Edit: Although, I guess it wouldn't really work since the numbers would have to change also... Nvm :L
2012-04-19 01:17:00

Author:
GranolaCrunch
Posts: 105


If you found out about the DLC from hacking into a patch then you should not be revealing it.

In this case it's out there now, so there's no point in removing it this time, and i know that you do a lot of great work for the lbp community Dominik so we will let it slide this time - *please* think carefully about revealing patch contents in the future, I'd really rather not have to report anyone!

This is another reason why we dislike people cracking open the patches and revealing the contents.
If we have something that we need to tell you, then it's always best for such information to come from us personally.
Welcome to the internet.

Maybe you should consider not giving the files obvious names since it's impossible to stop anyone viewing the data.
2012-04-19 22:20:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454


Now Escape Plan Costume render is published on LittleBigPlanet Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150314158806831.333998.12427296830&type=3)! Here is it:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/156179_10150661588031831_12427296830_9435056_25884 5713_n.jpg

Look nice!

And here is some additional info:

Release date: 25/04/2012

Release dates may vary, depending on your territory.
Price: ?1.59 / €1.99 / US $1.99 / AUS $ 3.45 / NZD $3.90

Thanks, StevenI!

From Russia with love,
Domik12
2012-04-20 11:36:00

Author:
Domik12
Posts: 838


Now Escape Plan Costume render is published on LittleBigPlanet Facebook page!

Wow... You're fast! :O

You even beat me to it!
And I obviously knew that I just snuck out the new costume render today instead of on Monday...
2012-04-20 11:38:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420


Wow... You're fast! :O

You even beat me to it!
And I obviously knew that I just snuck out the new costume render today instead of on Monday...

I just incidentally look at facebook page and found it

Thanks again, Steven, for good work with LBP community!

And now it's time to teleport back to Russia for me!

See you!

From Russia with love,
Domik12
2012-04-20 11:43:00

Author:
Domik12
Posts: 838


http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/156179_10150661588031831_12427296830_9435056_25884 5713_n.jpg


... i was expecting a lot better to be honest. it Looks almost nothing like the real character. why did they not just give the costume at least a mask? and it really could had used the skinny limbs look like some of the LBP2-storymode characters have....i won't be buying this costume. yet again whoever does the costumes design ideas failed to do a good job like they always do about half the time IMO. *mew
2012-04-20 11:48:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


It would make a good gimp costume.2012-04-20 12:42:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454


Just speculation...
The Journey Scarf Floats, hence the cloth/low_gravity.
The arms on the Escape Plan costume expand (or shrink) when expressing a certain emotion.
2012-04-20 13:32:00

Author:
Darkcloudrepeat
Posts: 606


http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/156179_10150661588031831_12427296830_9435056_25884 5713_n.jpg

Domik12

I'm sorry but this costume looks horribly cheap. It looks nothing like the real thing, they could have at least have covered the mouth or something. And for 2 bucks? I'm thinking more of 50 cents from how easily they made this.

Why can't they make high quality costumes like this one?:

http://www.littlebigplanet.com/en/game_guide/ps3/downloadable_content/munch_costume/


Just my opinion. Hoping the Journey one will be better.
2012-04-20 20:24:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


On other hand it can be used as diver swim suit

http://www.sports-expert.net/b2b/pics/Diving_Suit__Wet_Suit.jpg


I'm sorry but this costume looks horribly cheap. It looks nothing like the real thing, they could have at least have covered the mouth or something. And for 2 bucks? I'm thinking more of 50 cents from how easily they made this.

Why can't they make high quality costumes like this one?:

http://www.littlebigplanet.com/en/ga...munch_costume/

I think the problem is maybe diffent developers working on them and have diffrent standard, if we knew who worked on them you would see similaraties in style ;] also how do you know it was easy? ;p
2012-04-20 23:02:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991


also how do you know it was easy? ;p

If we are talking about designing, then it is fairly easy if you are artistically at all. if we are talking about making the 3D model. again it's not that hard for people who have been doing it for ages and are skilled at 3D model making at all. it is their job after all and not just some side-hobby for them. And Shadowriver I told you before, stop defending almost every junk they give us. this costume is indeed almost junk. they did not try hard it on, it minds well be a fact. :I *mew

IMO from what i can see they simply didn't care about designing this costume much. and you'll see, the journey costume will look much better then this one, and that's only because they will had cared more about that game. but yes. you can easily tell they have more then one person who designs costumes on their team... but that don't mean whoever should not try harder. we buy this content. it's not free. they should stop sometimes acting like the stuff they give us don't matter.

and also did this real quick to show how easy it is to make one close to it on your own.

http://if.lbp.me/img/ft/cefdacfbd3f46f3727df7445867ed20b080d085e.jpg
2012-04-20 23:54:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


isn't the real problem here that the subject matter they are copying isn't that inspired either... i mean, it's basically just a sackboy in black anyway.2012-04-21 00:11:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910


isn't the real problem here that the subject matter they are copying isn't that inspired either... i mean, it's basically just a sackboy in black anyway.

Well IMO the characters on Escape Plan are inspired enough. it's a very artist character style... they don't look like sack people hardly at all honestly. plus even if a subject is not very inspired. it's still up to the job of a artist to actually to do a good job when taking someone else's characters in to another art style, it just takes some thinking. and also i already said how they could had made it look much better. *mew

PS: and if needed i can even draw a pic how they could had made it better.

and i well know all of this don't matter much now since the costume is already made and done. but i'm just trying to get my point & feelings across on this matter as the same may happen to future costumes sometimes.
2012-04-21 00:19:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


They're likely trying to convey the character from the other game to be as close to Sackboy as possible, because that's the thing, it's LittleBigPlanet, Sackboy's game, not Escape Plans.

If they truly wanted it to look like the original character, they could likely import the model or mesh from the other game directly into LittleBigPlanet; but they're aiming for a design that still looks like Sackboy, like Craft World.

It's similar to the situation of people wanting backgrounds proportional to Sackboy, or textures that look realistic to a that proportion too. Ex. small brick textures.
It's not done like that because it's all about the craft-look, if those things were done, despite how cool they may appear, it could "break" the craft built charm of the games atmosphere.

The content (DLC, original Mm levels) always seems to provide basic templates for craft design, and users take those simple things and turn them into wondrous, abstract things.

I hope this is understood correctly.
2012-04-21 00:38:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193


^ I already know that as do most people. don't mean i 100% agree with it. plus even if you don't count the character it's made from and just look at it as a standalone costume. what they gave us (The escape plan costume) still is not useful and can be made very close to it with other means as i showed. *mew

Plus LBP is much more then what LBP1 was now. and it is becoming more and more a game maker. not just a random cute crafty platformer that you could do only so little with like it used to be. i and many wanna make real 3D model characters on LBP for are stories. not cardboard. not what looks like sackpeople wearing badly home made hallowing/cosplay costumes. we would like parts to make sackperson sized characters. we are fine with them being sackperson sized. costumes should not have to look 200% like a sackperson wearing just a cosplay costume every little single time. :I

and that brings me to another point. So what's your opinion on the LBP2 story-mode characters then hmm? most of them sure don't look like sackpeople to me. we could sure use some more of that type o costume IMHO, and be nice if they were broken up in to more then one part so we can customize some.
2012-04-21 00:43:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


@fumetsusozo I agree, they can make the costumes a little more realistic without destroying that LBP charm. Remember Kingdom Hearts? There were multiple galaxies of totally opposite Disney characters... how cool would it be if they made an Escape Plan level pack showing Lil & Laarg's world? Although it's not exactly kid-friendly.


Darn, now I want a Sora costume.
2012-04-21 01:24:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


@fumetsusozo Darn, now I want a Sora costume.

Considering that we've gotten loads of Disney DLC as well as FFVII costumes, I'm crossing my fingers that they'll decide to do some Kingdom Hearts stuff in the future (Maybe when a new game in the series is announced for a Sony console?).
2012-04-21 21:54:00

Author:
Behonkiss
Posts: 229


Considering that we've gotten loads of Disney DLC as well as FFVII costumes, I'm crossing my fingers that they'll decide to do some Kingdom Hearts stuff in the future (Maybe when a new game in the series is announced for a Sony console?).

That's a reasonable thought. I wonder if it's much trouble to get the Disney lawyers and the Square Enix lawyers on the line at the same time.
2012-04-21 21:59:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237


Jorney render showed up:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/392534_10150667679526831_12427296830_9457705_88506 6436_n.jpg
2012-04-23 15:15:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991


Jorney render showed up:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/392534_10150667679526831_12427296830_9457705_88506 6436_n.jpg

Looks really good. and See? i told you all they would do a much better job on that costume.
2012-04-23 18:06:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


Looks really good. and See? i told you all they would do a much better job on that costume.

Funny how we always have the same opinions when it comes to costumes.

I love it! Day 1 purchase for me
2012-04-23 18:56:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952


in the description it calls the journey a costume and escape plan a mini pack. why? what else is in the escape plan mini pack?2012-04-25 15:14:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910


in the description it calls the journey a costume and escape plan a mini pack. why? what else is in the escape plan mini pack?
nothing comes with the escape plan costume. that's what a guy who got it told me anyways. *mew
2012-04-25 17:29:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261


in the description it calls the journey a costume and escape plan a mini pack. why? what else is in the escape plan mini pack?

That's a mistake, it's just a single costume.
A full list of contents for the pack can be found on the DLC catalogue.
http://www.littlebigplanet.com/en/game_guide/ps3/downloadable_content/escape_plan_costume/
2012-04-25 17:55:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420


Just speculation...
The arms on the Escape Plan costume expand (or shrink) when expressing a certain emotion.

Cool, I guess they would be adding some sort of gimmick to this costume, since it is so simple, so as to not dissapoint fans, well, the ones who haven't already set there minds to what they think about the costume.
2012-04-25 22:13:00

Author:
Cobaltor
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