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1.12 update details (....its alive!!!!)

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http://www.littlebigplanet.com/en/news/article/new_features_in_update_1.12/

Except expected boo removal and comment/review disable option, there also changes to dive in

Update is Live		2012-04-16 15:41:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Yes!!! Thank you media molecule! Finally the most useless feature in the game is being removed so my levels won't look like they suck just because some little child in another country didn't like that "Free Bird" does not in fact give you a FREE BIRD....


So I applaud you Mm for doing something that you should have done from the start. Having to rely on children to rate levels that are made by your older fans is freakin absurd and ridiculous!

Also finally.. a way to hide reviews completely in case you don't want feedback. Another feature that should have been there from start.



Now the question is, how do we avoid seeing those crappy cloned levels spamming the cool pages if we can't boo them?		2012-04-16 15:48:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Eh, not to be a party pooper but im not really looking forward to this. Removing boos isn't too bad, but they give you the option to remove reviews and comments too so its impossible to see any sort of negative feedback on a level? However, at least people will notice something fishy if all of this stuff is disabled(youtube is the perfect example), so I guess it cant be too bad.2012-04-16 15:49:00

Author:
DreJ1212
Posts: 240

not sure how I feel about this anti-boo thing... but everything else sounds good.2012-04-16 15:49:00

Author:
a_mailbox
Posts: 416

didn't like that "Free Bird" does not in fact give you a FREE BIRD....

Heh.... got a good laugh out of that.


Now the question is, how do we avoid seeing those crappy cloned levels spamming the cool pages if we can't boo them?

The REAL question is.... do we care anymore now that the spotlight is in the news section and StevenI is giving out a healthy dose of MM picks every week? Leave cool levels to the kiddies, I say. It can be their personal playground.		2012-04-16 15:53:00

Author:
CCubbage
Posts: 4430

Eh, not to be a party pooper but im not really looking forward to this. Removing boos isn't too bad, but they give you the option to remove reviews and comments too so its impossible to see any sort of negative feedback on a level? However, at least people will notice something fishy if all of this stuff is disabled(youtube is the perfect example), so I guess it cant be too bad.

I think this sentence is key.

Also, if you look at the link, it says you can only disable comments via lbp.me. I'm sure that a lot of the likely "comment disablers" won't even know about that site.		2012-04-16 16:06:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I think this sentence is key.

Also, if you look at the link, it says you can only disable comments via lbp.me. I'm sure that a lot of the likely "comment disablers" won't even know about that site.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that too. I think this was a good decision. This update shouldn't really cause any harm if people are just careful, so lets see how it works out.		2012-04-16 16:09:00

Author:
DreJ1212
Posts: 240

Seems like they're leaning toward catering to the pointless H4H and copy people more than those who the game was actually meant for. I'd rather them disable copying levels than boos. the boos actually help. I see the boo/yay system as quick 'short-on-time' feedback, I've had a few people play something of mine, rate it, then come back like 2 days later and drop a review.2012-04-16 16:10:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

I'm not sure how pins would be affected with boos are removed.2012-04-16 16:33:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Heart to play ratio is where its at.2012-04-16 17:04:00

Author:
Unknown User

Why remove boo-ing? It's critical response! A normal is either meaning "It's alright" or "I can't be bothered to boo it or yay it" I'm hating the option to remove comments too. A very bad update.

How about a feature we genuinely want? Like posting comments on an authors earth through LBP.me?		2012-04-16 17:07:00

Author:
craigmond
Posts: 2426

Part of the trouble with boos has been that some folks use them to express a sad feeling rather than dislike of the level. You end up getting a boo and a heart from the same person.

That's not to mention the grouchy gadders that go around booing everything for spite's sake!		2012-04-16 17:45:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

The REAL question is.... do we care anymore now that the spotlight is in the news section and StevenI is giving out a healthy dose of MM picks every week? Leave cool levels to the kiddies, I say. It can be their personal playground.

Yup.. I've always felt that. Leave the cool pages to the kiddies. I'll even chip in for the sand. 		2012-04-16 17:54:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I don't really know what I think of this. I'm against any form of censorship and the boos can represent honest feedback. Equally they can be abused and some levels have suffered as a result. I guess it's a matter of wait and see...fingers crossed it'll work out fine.2012-04-16 17:54:00

Author:
EnochRoot
Posts: 533

mmmmmm... i'll refrain from reviewing people's levels i think. no point in putting any effort in if they can be removed... unless i just lie of course and tell them their level is wonderful. this is going to get abused, i can see it clearly.

'I noticed that this was your first level. It wasn't the best level i've played but this shows promise for future levels. it could do with a little more care with some of the aesthetics, but overall it was reasonably well crafted.'

DELETE!!!! *wafts face with limp hand*		2012-04-16 18:05:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

now just give me a word filter option and i'll be happy. you should be able to choose what you don't want to see as well as what you do

filter 'costume' Yeah!!! no more free costume levels for me!		2012-04-16 18:11:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

What about the pins that imply the Boo's in a way...

http://i.imgur.com/apBNF.png		2012-04-16 18:25:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

Um, not sure how I feel about COMPLETELY removing the Boos. That's like YouTube removing the dislike button.

Personally, there should be a 'LBP rule' that you can't cheat with trophies. So no H4H levels. Also if you want the community to be more creative, remove the COPY feature. Obviously people abuse it.


What about the pins that imply the Boo's in a way...

http://i.imgur.com/apBNF.png

They will probably change the descriptions.

Positive Result- Receive *random number* Yays

Totally Positive Result- Receive *bigger random number* Yays

40 Yays- Give positive feedback on 40 community levels.

Lol...		2012-04-16 18:39:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

IT'S TIME FOR EVERYONE'S FAVORITE: THE RANT OF THE DAY!

With the removal of booing (and allowing the deletion of comments and reviews), it's going to make it hard to get in negative feedback. The general gist of it is alright, but the chances of corruption are way too high. Without the negative feedback, you're never going to know how to improve and what you're doing wrong. Being told something isn't good in your creation sucks and hurts, but you're never going to get any better without constructive feedback. By trying to eliminate that, you're just going to dumb down the audience and ram their creativity into a brick wall.


Part of the trouble with boos has been that some folks use them to express a sad feeling rather than dislike of the level. You end up getting a boo and a heart from the same person.

How easy would it be to change the boo to a thumbs down or something? It seems like there could be a better solution than the one being taken.		2012-04-16 18:47:00

Author:
Testudini
Posts: 3262

For some reason I keep imagining lbp1 star system but then having stars 1-4 removed... With censorships of both boo's and comments/reviews you might as well remove the ratings system all together... it would give just as much indication of level quality as this censorship. This won't encourage creativity eithe... rather... as level results will be totally positive, it will imply to people that their levels are amazing and they will try less to improve.

Well thats my prediction... and as my psn friends know... alot of it comes true.

Telepathetic powers you see =p

Now to play the waiting game.		2012-04-16 18:58:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma
Posts: 1414

They will probably change the descriptions.

Positive Result- Receive *random number* Yays

Totally Positive Result- Receive *bigger random number* Yays

40 Yays- Give positive feedback on 40 community levels.

Lol...

Its not easy as you think, one of them is trophy. Achivments are made to encorage people to use features that they may not care about, so insted of encoriging for rate everything, it will encorage to like everything, so imo it's little bit odd, since it may force people to like crap just to get it

Reacive rate achivments sould not be a issue, sicne there still no rate		2012-04-16 19:17:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

What about the pins that imply the Boo's in a way...

http://i.imgur.com/apBNF.png

it won't change those. 'mostly positive' only means that more people liked your level than not. it works even if you get all positive feedback and 'yays (or) boos' isn't effected either because you still get the yays		2012-04-16 19:25:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

With the removal of booing (and allowing the deletion of comments and reviews), it's going to make it hard to get in negative feedback. The general gist of it is alright, but the chances of corruption are way too high. Without the negative feedback, you're never going to know how to improve and what you're doing wrong. Being told something isn't good in your creation sucks and hurts, but you're never going to get any better without constructive feedback. By trying to eliminate that, you're just going to dumb down the audience and ram their creativity into a brick wall.

Ah but you see disabling comments prevents Negative AND Positive comments/reviews. Do you want to sacrfice all your praise and good feedback over 1 measly troll who can't jump to save his life (literally)?

I was a bit concerned to how the spammers would exploit this, but this isn't that bad

Important: This can only be done via LBP.me!

Since they are just plain lazy with publishing, they aren't going to go onto LBP.me every time they spam a level as new to disable its comments and reviews		2012-04-16 19:29:00

Author:
JKthree
Posts: 1125

Ah but you see disabling comments prevents Negative AND Positive comments/reviews. Do you want to sacrfice all your praise and good feedback over 1 measly troll who can't jump to save his life (literally)?

I was a bit concerned to how the spammers would exploit this, but this isn't that bad

Important: This can only be done via LBP.me!

Since they are just plain lazy with publishing, they aren't going to go onto LBP.me every time they spam a level as new to disable its comments and reviews

There people who ready to do that, specially if for example he got mmpick and people don't like it or glitches if people dont understand them or they are too complex they usally brings negative feedback, there was already few situations like that.		2012-04-16 19:32:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Well I agree, obviously searching the cool pages is a suicide mission.

But the dream is that the cool pages actually WILL be cool. And steps like removing the boo system seems like a step in the right direction.

Unfortunetly, due to the way the game is designed, the only way to remove the spammed levels is if Mm had a huge community team dedicated to removing the trash. But that would infringe upon players rights to publish and have "their work" seen....very complex situation.


I'm just glad that the issue of the Boo spamming is being addressed so that good levels aren't skipped because of bad Boo to yay ratios.		2012-04-16 20:13:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

yeah yeah yeah no boos blah blah blah, is there anything else this update addresses? How big is the update? Does anyone know that? I guess not, if PSN is down today. I forgot about that. shoot.2012-04-16 20:22:00

Author:
biorogue
Posts: 8424

There will be folks that rampantly censor negative feedback on their levels but I wonder if such parties could ever have learned anything from it. They'll have to read your constructive criticism to decide that they want it obliterated. If the message doesn't sink in at that moment, it may be a lost cause!2012-04-16 20:38:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

I think this update is getting a pin for mostly negative feedback. 2012-04-16 20:45:00

Author:
ConverseFox
Posts: 2333

I think this update is getting a pin for mostly negative feedback.

I think its more because although alot of people don't agree with booing a level for no good reason, they'll defend a persons right to express their opinion through that form of media.... and quite rightly so too.		2012-04-16 20:50:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma
Posts: 1414

If the psn is down then how are people still playing this game online? On lbp.me it shows that people have been playing online all day.2012-04-16 21:05:00

Author:
carringtonandrew
Posts: 85

PSN isn't down.2012-04-16 21:28:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

With the removal of booing (and allowing the deletion of comments and reviews), it's going to make it hard to get in negative feedback. The general gist of it is alright, but the chances of corruption are way too high. Without the negative feedback, you're never going to know how to improve and what you're doing wrong...

JKthree already said what I thought about comment/review disabling, but when it comes to "Boos", there is NO useful feedback. Why didn't they like the level? Was there a game breaking bug? Did they just not like the style? WHAT!?!

Same with "Yays" for that matter. Those should go too. However, yays and boos on comments should stay, as it better allows players to quickly show how they feel on specific opinions.		2012-04-16 21:36:00

Author:
RagTagPwner
Posts: 344

Hmm... maybe it only removes the boo's from what oher peiople see and not from the record that keeps track of pins? Hopefully they have that sorted out. I just won my mostly posative feedback pin today btw 2012-04-16 22:04:00

Author:
Unknown User

In my opinion the yays/boos serve as like a 'I'm short on time so I can't write out a full review right now' kind of thing. I think I said before, Ive had people yay/boo rate, then come back a few days later and leave a full review/comment.2012-04-16 22:05:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

:kz: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA.

What did I miss THIS time?		2012-04-16 22:24:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Well im playing on line mabe the store is down lol..But lbp is on line,Im excited for this updat..No more boo hoo hoo for me.

Booing just killed me cose people can boo you and they do it just for funn it could be a great leve and they still boo it so yay..But is that all thats in this updat...

No dlc :o

Mabe next month lol.		2012-04-16 22:35:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

Merged threads. 2012-04-16 22:47:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

It's a good thing I think, there is no point to a boo. If I play a level and it's not great and I leave feedback and it gets deleted; why should I care?

If a copy spam level is in cool pages it also stops people loading it just to boo it. Other people see the massive play count and then make their own. So it's easy if a level looks like junk, has no comments, well, I dont play it. If I do play it and it's not great I don't rate it. If its good it gets a yay. If its great it gets a heart.

This is actually no different to my previous system.		2012-04-16 23:04:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

I'm gonna leave another note here. I actually don't mind this patch at all now after dwelling on it a bit more.

Leaving a boo on a level is basically saying "I really don't like your level, and I'm not telling you why" That doesn't sound like constructive criticism to me. That's something that can be taken care of in reviews.

Now about reviews and comments being able to be turned off, I have two things to say about it.

1. Not many trolls/kids are going to go out of there way to do this since its only available via lbp.me. Yes some will do it, but not all. Really, they might not even know what lbp.me is.
2. Think about youtube. There is the same issue here yet its not that big of a problem. If you go on youtube, and notice that comments, likes, and dislikes are disabled then doesn't that seem pretty shady? You've pretty much already been warned that something isn't really right about this video. The same thing will most likely happen here. When you check a level, and see that all this stuff is disabled, you most likely will notice something is wrong here and might just not play the level at all.

I think we should wait a bit to at least see how this all turns out before jumping on the hate wagon for this patch. No harm might be done at all in the long run.

P.S the update is already available in some areas. I'm on east coast and I have it downloaded. Auto-accept for random join requests will be on after you download, so be sure to change that. Also dynamic emitting isn't broken again.		2012-04-17 02:32:00

Author:
DreJ1212
Posts: 240

I guess this anti-booing option could be a good thing. In a way it will make the game better for finding good levels, because as Mr_Fusion said, people won't end up playing a level just to boo it. This might also help us see whether a level is worth checking out, or not.

I'm feeling kind of "brain-dead" at the moment, so I can't say much of anything else.		2012-04-17 02:36:00

Author:
Cobaltor
Posts: 222

Update is live :> First thing first:

Do you like?

I dont know why the hell they add that thing in the list ;p it looks ugly

Also noticed that paintings loding problems been solved 		2012-04-17 02:39:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Update is live :> First thing first:

Do you like?

I dont know why the hell they add that thing in the list ;p it looks ugly

Also noticed that paintings loding problems been solved

Wow really? About time XD My move may have more use now		2012-04-17 03:39:00

Author:
L1GhTmArE
Posts: 519

I don't like how they moved the dive-in button. Guys, it looks like I'm gonna make some new friends by accident. 2012-04-17 03:41:00

Author:
TheMonkeyBlade
Posts: 687

I don't like how they moved the dive-in button. Guys, it looks like I'm gonna make some new friends by accident.

IKR? i saw that to. they put it right under the queue button. the hell... i don't even use dive-in... even if my internet did not suck and i could still join others i would NOT want to join random people. :S *mew

And why the the hell is there still not a news page button???		2012-04-17 03:46:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I found a kind of bug in this update.
Sackboy cannot jump on not-automatically bounce pad which doesn't work . (I means Blue Bounce pad which dose not work)
It happens only in this situation.
We cannot know which it is this bug or the new game design on purpose? But if you use this pad in your levels, check it.		2012-04-17 03:49:00

Author:
konnron
Posts: 41

I found a kind of bug in this update.
Sackboy cannot jump on not-automatically bounce pad which doesn't work . (I means Blue Bounce pad which dose not work)
It happens only in this situation.
We cannot know which it is this bug or the new game design on purpose? But if you use this pad in your levels, check it.

Its not a bug in the update. Its always been that way. I really don't know why.		2012-04-17 04:01:00

Author:
DreJ1212
Posts: 240

I don't know how to judge levels now. I can't boo levels anymore, but at least I don't have to yay them. And if we're forced to yay a level (including bomb survivals and trash levels), then I'm not going to play community levels anymore.2012-04-17 04:36:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

To me, all this update has done is make me and other people less lazy and if they want to "boo" it they'll have to write a review. As with the dive-in feature, I never use dive-in, well, actually im still going for that "Dive in with 25 People (And don't leave immediately after joining!)" Pin. Decent update :kz:2012-04-17 04:49:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

To me, all this update has done is make me and other people less lazy and if they want to "boo" it they'll have to write a review.

Nailed it, nailer.		2012-04-17 07:18:00

Author:
RagTagPwner
Posts: 344

Also noticed that paintings loding problems been solved

Orly ^.^

Still not sure how I feel about this update. I suspect I'll just get used to it and forget how it once was in the not too distant future. Maybe a lil sad, the worlds first reaction is to just remove the thumbs down button rather than attempt to address the issues. Your rugs may look clean, just please don't look under 'um!

There are pro's of course. This move level (http://lbp.me/v/6zqeze) being 1 example. Not the best level ever, but not exactly boo worthy either, time was spent on it and one of the many boo'ers bizarrely left a "review" simply saying bryapsmithkid: (http://lbp.me/u/bryapsmithkid) "I don't have playstation move", well bryapsmithkid, I'm sure the creator is that much richer from your boo :s It's tagged, titled, and level info all stating MOVE REQ. Dont have move? Then dont play it!! Be gone, and take your boo with you oh, that's right, you can't boo anymore... ^^		2012-04-17 10:00:00

Author:
Masseyf
Posts: 226

IT'S TIME FOR EVERYONE'S FAVORITE: THE RANT OF THE DAY!
With the removal of booing (and allowing the deletion of comments and reviews), it's going to make it hard to get in negative feedback. The general gist of it is alright, but the chances of corruption are way too high. Without the negative feedback, you're never going to know how to improve and what you're doing wrong. Being told something isn't good in your creation sucks and hurts, but you're never going to get any better without constructive feedback. By trying to eliminate that, you're just going to dumb down the audience and ram their creativity into a brick wall.

Since when funny frown face is way to improve your work ??? You can read funny frown face's lips ? And find constructive feedback in it ? Really ?

Disabling of comments and reviews will bring the damage only for creator, not for players.


How big is the update? Does anyone know that?

45 MB		2012-04-17 11:38:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

Just looking at lbp.me now, without the boos. It could give the wrong impression.

For example - my BattleSnakes level has 248 plays and 101 yays. Now, that's pretty good, right? Not amazingly fantastic, but could be worse. However, you don't know if this level has receieved 147 boos, or 0 boos (EDIT: If you ignore my signature ) (in reality, it's 3 boos). So it may be harder to judge quality.		2012-04-17 11:46:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

step in the right direction with removing boo's and allowing us to have more control over our profiles and levels, I'm thinking of locking the comment section in my levels since it only gets "play my level" spam.2012-04-17 12:34:00

Author:
PPp_Killer
Posts: 449

This update seems rather unnecessary IMO but, they gotta do what they have to do to protect the over-sensitive types out there. After all, this game does have kids on it that get their feelings hurt badly from even the smallest of things. We can't have that now, can we?

Now if only they could release a real useful update. Like adding an edit button for profile comments to correct your mistakes easier. I mean they have an edit button for reviews. Why not add one to profiles? It gets a bit annoying to have to comment again just to correct a sentence or word only.		2012-04-17 12:37:00

Author:
siberian_ninja15
Posts: 444

Awwwwwwwww, they've removed the option to remove boos on comments/reviews. I think this is too far, how else can I show my disdain for the "MM pik yay if u agree" comments?2012-04-17 13:06:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Awwwwwwwww, they've removed the option to remove boos on comments/reviews. I think this is too far, how else can I show my disdain for the "MM pik yay if u agree" comments?

Thats really annoying... because that was what stopped those (lets be honest) useless reviews from being at the top.		2012-04-17 13:41:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma
Posts: 1414

Awwwwwwwww, they've removed the option to remove boos on comments/reviews. I think this is too far, how else can I show my disdain for the "MM pik yay if u agree" comments?

You can still Boo a Comment or Review. 		2012-04-17 13:49:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

Thats really annoying... because that was what stopped those (lets be honest) useless reviews from being at the top.

Aye, I hate this "like culture" that's stemmed from Facebook.


You can still Boo a Comment or Review.

Oh?

Because if you look here for example http://lbp.me/v/64yqfk/reviews

there's only smiley faces.		2012-04-17 13:58:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Oh?

Because if you look here for example http://lbp.me/v/64yqfk/reviews

there's only smiley faces.

They still show up in-game and LBP.me will be fixed later to display them again. 		2012-04-17 14:10:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

you can still see (and add to) boos on comments and reviews in game, they just dont show on lbp.me

edit: beaten by steven 		2012-04-17 14:10:00

Author:
evret
Posts: 612

ummm I don't think I have ever booed a level... I know people like to load cool page levels just to boo them but, this really is a waste of time2012-04-17 14:28:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

This removal of boos seems so unnecessary...2012-04-17 14:49:00

Author:
Force Ten
Posts: 60

Don't know if it has been said yet but MM said that most if not all corrupted move paintings should be restored.
I assume it is now safe to paint with move without fear of things corrupting.		2012-04-17 15:01:00

Author:
Darkcloudrepeat
Posts: 606

I dont know exactly if i like this upadate or not, but i can tell that MM is trying to push the community in the right direction...
What i hate about this update is that it CRASHES my ps3 several times befor i can even get to my pod. It is realy annoying now.
My friends have said that it lags upon starting, but not compleatly crashing. Anyone elce have the same problem?		2012-04-17 15:19:00

Author:
Unknown User

have they given you an option to 'block' a user as well as remove reviews? that would be a better option IMO2012-04-17 15:35:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

have they given you an option to 'block' a user as well as remove reviews? that would be a better option IMO

I agree. Unfortunately, I was unable to find one, so I don't believe they have.		2012-04-17 15:55:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l37/Corporeal/837ebb8d.png2012-04-17 16:34:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

I don't know how to judge levels now. I can't boo levels anymore, but at least I don't have to yay them. And if we're forced to yay a level (including bomb survivals and trash levels), then I'm not going to play community levels anymore.

Good thing they aren't forcing us to yay anything and that reviews are still there so we can judge levels. Not to mention if you realize a level has reviews and comments disabled you know that they are the kind of person that cant accept criticism.		2012-04-17 16:38:00

Author:
DreJ1212
Posts: 240

Level Propaganda... I'm want to know why this change came about. Negative feedback in the correct, non jealous/hate/etc is very helpful. I wonder how the new ranking system works now, based off of the hearts and likes alone. Now would also be a great time to implement the customized level pages that they talked about a couple months before release. Kinda like iTunes's Genius system or Pandora's Gnome Project. I was really disappointed when that didn't make it into the release. Updating the dive in feature, changing the level ranking formula and a the customized similar like level system would all relate well together for a perfect update.2012-04-17 16:41:00

Author:
bmoney2310
Posts: 187

Good thing they aren't forcing us to yay anything and that reviews are still there so we can judge levels. Not to mention if you realize a level has reviews and comments disabled you know that they are the kind of person that cant accept criticism.

Creators that don't allow criticism are usually too whiny. One person posted a threat on my profile comments for rating his/her level down. I can see that kids don't like negative feedback. I'm starting to care about negative feedback less. I just don't like it when people post hate comments against me.

Speaking of that, I took the taste of the update. I mean, I disabled comments for my profile. This can block RASTAlite from posting hate comments.		2012-04-17 16:54:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I like the updat but...Theres something wrong.....im not geting any plays...Or yays.....My levels are not updating when i get a play it dont show it and when i get a yay it dont show it.... There not updating at all..I had to go to lbp me to see that people are playing my levels..And all so if you go to the bottom of your level it will so some one played it but.It wont show up on top of the level were it should it stays blank

:o

Was that part of the updat to or is this a nother error??		2012-04-17 17:09:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

Bring back the star system I say! At least then people can tell the difference between a decent level and a great level (but not great enough for a regular supply of hearts).2012-04-17 17:31:00

Author:
Unknown User

They still show up in-game and LBP.me will be fixed later to display them again.


you can still see (and add to) boos on comments and reviews in game, they just dont show on lbp.me

edit: beaten by steven

Yay!
That's good to know.

http://i.qkme.me/3ou1pf.jpg		2012-04-17 17:35:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Bring back the star system I say! At least then people can tell the difference between a decent level and a great level (but not great enough for a regular supply of hearts).

I actually like this idea. Remove the hostility issues of the boos but restore the star ratings as another way of assessing the quality of a level.		2012-04-17 20:15:00

Author:
EnochRoot
Posts: 533

Level Propaganda... I'm want to know why this change came about. Negative feedback in the correct, non jealous/hate/etc is very helpful. I wonder how the new ranking system works now, based off of the hearts and likes alone. Now would also be a great time to implement the customized level pages that they talked about a couple months before release. Kinda like iTunes's Genius system or Pandora's Gnome Project. I was really disappointed when that didn't make it into the release. Updating the dive in feature, changing the level ranking formula and a the customized similar like level system would all relate well together for a perfect update.

They are customizablre, ever pressed triangle in list? I think it's very hard to identify level in other way then tags		2012-04-17 21:28:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

what lists do you press triangle, and what does it do?2012-04-17 21:38:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

This idea is a bunch of narwhal juice. All of these features are silly. For sure it's going to be abused... Great job Mm...
.-.		2012-04-17 21:58:00

Author:
BrosefJenkins
Posts: 87

IMPORTENT INFO! Just tested Review and Comment disabling on dummy level, and BEWARE of playing with iton your existing levels, it DELETES all the comments and reviews, not hidding them as you would expect. I suspect this includes level profile comments2012-04-17 22:13:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

IMPORTENT INFO! Just tested Review and Comment disabling on dummy level, and BEWARE of playing with iton your existing levels, it DELETES all the comments and reviews, not hidding them as you would expect. I suspect this includes level profile comments

The information on the site says that it just temporally hides it so hopefully it's just a kink in the system		2012-04-17 22:32:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

So how does the highest level list work now? It used to be yay to boo ratio...2012-04-17 22:45:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

So how does the highest level list work now? It used to be yay to boo ratio...

i would imagine that it works on how many 'yays' you have now.

1: 100,000 yays
2: 90,000 yays
3: 50,000 yays

etc		2012-04-17 23:07:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Boo's shouldn't show up on a level, but rather "subtract" from the total Yay's.2012-04-17 23:20:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

Hey guys. I was playing lbp and mm patched the boo option! this is good but mostly bad.


Pros: trolls can't boo.

Cons: 1. you don't know if the levels are good at the cool pages. you can't tell in the reviews if they are bad if they were just not saying the whole details. 2. you won't know what to improve from the quiet revewing people of lbp. 3. what if you just hate the level? mm: well screw you!


I really hate this. This is a bad choice for mm. I hope they will return this soon. Some people actully left the lbp2 world cause of that. (Fact) It's like facebook now. you can't dislike anything anymore. however your old reviews that you disliked is still remaining. Tell me what you think about this.		2012-04-18 01:04:00

Author:
Sunbunny23
Posts: 995

Merged threads.2012-04-18 01:07:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

This really kinda sucks. I judged any level's quality by the ratio of likes to dislikes. Now all I get is "DO YOU LIEK??? "
While I agree that sadfacing a level with nothing else accompanying it isn't good criticism, I have to ask, what logical train of thought lead them to removing the Boo feature? They could've at least made you pick a reason as to why you booed it.
Like, when you boo a level, before it submits it, it would ask you "Why are you booing this level? There's got to be a reason!", with various tags such as "Buggy and Broken", "Boring gameplay", "Ugly scenery", etc. You'd need to pick one and only one, so you can't just spam all of the boo tags.		2012-04-18 02:22:00

Author:
Unknown User

I learned more about the update. It affected Hedge Hopping and allows people to dive in with someone with auto-reject, which will immediately block you out.2012-04-18 02:41:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

To all people asking how do you tell if a level is good on cool pages?

Really? Plays to yay ratio should give it away yays to heart same thing. I mean people used to load levels just to boo them. Take that time to play a more interesting looking level instead.		2012-04-18 02:47:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

To all people asking how do you tell if a level is good on cool pages?

Really? Plays to yay ratio should give it away yays to heart same thing. I mean people used to load levels just to boo them. Take that time to play a more interesting looking level instead.

Yes.
Cool pages are also based now on a Time/Play/Yay Ratio as well. So it's fair 		2012-04-18 03:09:00

Author:
grayspence
Posts: 1990

For anyone wondering why we've suddenly decided to take the action to remove the Boos from the game, here's just a few words on the thought process behind the decision.

We're all for constructive criticism to help aid a creator and potentially improve their creation skills.
However after looking at the current rating systems for a VERY long time... (And believe me, it was not just a spur of the moment decision.)
We found that Boos have little place in the current rating system.

Such feedback and criticism simply cannot be summed up in a single emoticon and generally speaking we found that the most of the time, it was being misused to just grief and harass people.

If you truly wish to criticise a level in a constructive way, then the Reviews and Comments section are more than sufficient for such an action and if you really feel the need to inform a creator why you disliked their level, then you can leave a review and state exactly why you disliked their level.

Boos and rude comments without any actual critique, just do not help the creator in any possible way and therefore we removed the Boos to both tackle the issue of in-game griefing and to encourage people to actively provide actual feedback to the creator.

It will certainly take some getting used to for everyone who has been playing LittleBigPlanet 2 for a long time now...
However if you look at a level's Play/Yay ratio, you should be able to get a good idea of how popular it is and if you're still not sure, then you can always check out the reviews left for that level.

Which ultimately will tell you so much more about another player's opinion of a level, than a single sad face ever could. 		2012-04-18 03:12:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

nevermind 8^)2012-04-18 03:27:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

For anyone wondering why we've suddenly decided to take the action to remove the Boos from the game, here's just a few words on the thought process behind the decision.

We're all for constructive criticism to help aid a creator and potentially improve their creation skills.
However after looking at the current rating systems for a VERY long time... (And believe me, it was not just a spur of the moment decision.)
We found that Boos have little place in the current rating system.

Such feedback and criticism simply cannot be summed up in a single emoticon and generally speaking we found that the most of the time, it was being misused to just grief and harass people.

If you truly wish to criticise a level in a constructive way, then the Reviews and Comments section are more than sufficient for such an action and if you really feel the need to inform a creator why you disliked their level, then you can leave a review and state exactly why you disliked their level.

Boos and rude comments without any actual critique, just do not help the creator in any possible way and therefore we removed the Boos to both tackle the issue of in-game griefing and to encourage people to actively provide actual feedback to the creator.

It will certainly take some getting used to for everyone who has been playing LittleBigPlanet 2 for a long time now...
However if you look at a level's Play/Yay ratio, you should be able to get a good idea of how popular it is and if you're still not sure, then you can always check out the reviews left for that level.

Which ultimately will tell you so much more about another player's opinion of a level, than a single sad face ever could.

I agree that people have abused the boo system. A user named Game_Ruiner booed all of my levels for rating one of his level down. He did this for revenge.		2012-04-18 03:29:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

The information on the site says that it just temporally hides it so hopefully it's just a kink in the system

You right i got confirmation from other source		2012-04-18 03:43:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

For anyone wondering why we've suddenly decided to take the action to remove the Boos from the game, here's just a few words on the thought process behind the decision.

We're all for constructive criticism to help aid a creator and potentially improve their creation skills.
However after looking at the current rating systems for a VERY long time... (And believe me, it was not just a spur of the moment decision.)
We found that Boos have little place in the current rating system.

Such feedback and criticism simply cannot be summed up in a single emoticon and generally speaking we found that the most of the time, it was being misused to just grief and harass people.

If you truly wish to criticise a level in a constructive way, then the Reviews and Comments section are more than sufficient for such an action and if you really feel the need to inform a creator why you disliked their level, then you can leave a review and state exactly why you disliked their level.

Boos and rude comments without any actual critique, just do not help the creator in any possible way and therefore we removed the Boos to both tackle the issue of in-game griefing and to encourage people to actively provide actual feedback to the creator.

It will certainly take some getting used to for everyone who has been playing LittleBigPlanet 2 for a long time now...
However if you look at a level's Play/Yay ratio, you should be able to get a good idea of how popular it is and if you're still not sure, then you can always check out the reviews left for that level.

Which ultimately will tell you so much more about another player's opinion of a level, than a single sad face ever could.

You could just do what Giik said. when you boo then it will appear "why did you boo?" and you have to answer it. the boos COULD tell you what you need to improve. you can just do the why boo thing to keep the mean people who just boo for no reason. if the person booed it even though it's different on what he said he could get a warning but if he keeps doing it then he gets suspended.		2012-04-18 03:57:00

Author:
Sunbunny23
Posts: 995

About time the corrupted painting has been solved. Now I can finally use my old paintings again. Before I go back to paint tool, anyone still have shadow glitches? Also, did anyone still have problems with the emitted objects that has a danger tweaker?2012-04-18 04:09:00

Author:
JustinArt
Posts: 1314

StevenI

For anyone wondering why we've suddenly decided to take the action to remove the Boos from the game, here's just a few words on the thought process behind the decision.

We're all for constructive criticism to help aid a creator and potentially improve their creation skills.
However after looking at the current rating systems for a VERY long time... (And believe me, it was not just a spur of the moment decision.)
We found that Boos have little place in the current rating system.

Such feedback and criticism simply cannot be summed up in a single emoticon and generally speaking we found that the most of the time, it was being misused to just grief and harass people.

If you truly wish to criticise a level in a constructive way, then the Reviews and Comments section are more than sufficient for such an action and if you really feel the need to inform a creator why you disliked their level, then you can leave a review and state exactly why you disliked their level.

Boos and rude comments without any actual critique, just do not help the creator in any possible way and therefore we removed the Boos to both tackle the issue of in-game griefing and to encourage people to actively provide actual feedback to the creator.

It will certainly take some getting used to for everyone who has been playing LittleBigPlanet 2 for a long time now...
However if you look at a level's Play/Yay ratio, you should be able to get a good idea of how popular it is and if you're still not sure, then you can always check out the reviews left for that level.

Which ultimately will tell you so much more about another player's opinion of a level, than a single sad face ever could.



Although it sounds like you've thought about this a lot, what would be the downside to returning the boo system, albeit in a different, better form?

The boo system indeed has made it easy for destructive feedback to be spread to the creator, especially spam and rude messages. However, modification of the boo system could lead to better feedback, without the cost of deterring feedback (many players, though they can identify a problem with a level, simply don't want to put in the time to fully review a level).

Modification of the boo system could take many forms, including (but not limited to):
?The option to boo a level could be moved to a different location on the menu (just like the review section, or perhaps inside of the review section)
?Booing could be paired with a preset collection of tags (Could Not Complete, Too Difficult, Glitch/Bug, I Got Stuck, etc.) that the player must use in order to give a boo (in the same vein...these tags could then be given a section in the level description, under a separate category, which the publisher could then access to view the most commonly reported problems with his/her level)
?Booing could be made exclusive to reviews
?Booing could be renamed (just like the yay feature is described by "Did you like it?" the boo feature could be named "Needs Work," or something of the sort)
?Players could be given the option to disable boos on one of their levels (it would not be able to reach the Cool Pages or Highest Rated, etc.), which would enable players to eliminate hate that stems from misunderstandings (such as a level intended to be Move only, a lockbox level, or just a fondly remembered but poorly constructed first creation)

The boo has been abused, but the problem with eliminating it is that it eliminates some potential constructive feedback (especially if the tag requirement was added) that might be encouraged by the modification or carefully reinstatement of the system.

One last question: is MM looking at adding a ratio (such as yays to plays) to level descriptions in the future (possibly in the space where the boo count used to be)?

(Sorry for the lengthy post)		2012-04-18 04:10:00

Author:
spiffyspleen
Posts: 23

One has to consider that reinventing the boo system would require additional development resources. It's one thing to disable part of the interface and another entirely to expand it. It might not be the most challenging addition in the history of programming, but someone still has to justify allocating production and quality assurance man-hours that could be spent elsewhere. Would it really be worth it to adapt boos into a feature that essentially forces the user to write a review when simply removing the option would require critics to leave a review anyway?

Surely we can imagine different approaches, but this is an effective and pragmatic solution. People that want to leave constructive feedback will do so and spiteful spammers will have lost an outlet. A "Could Not Complete" tag would be interesting, but we should just type that into the review box and call it a day, right? 		2012-04-18 05:17:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

Which ultimately will tell you so much more about another player's opinion of a level, than a single sad face ever could.

Agreed. I for one think this was the best move to make. while some others may not think it was. but you can't make everyone happy ya? but in time people will get over the change and move on for the most part. *mew		2012-04-18 05:21:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I'm having a big problem ever since updating to 1.12. Whenever I Dive In, everything works fine and I go straight to someone's pod.

You know how after finishing a level it gives the options 'Back' or 'Continue Without Them'? Well I wait for the host to press continue but that screen won't go away. So I'm stuck in their Pod with the 'Continue Without Them' screen. If I push 'Back', it will only give me the option to Leave to my Pod.

It's kinda irritating being forced to leave whoever I join after playing a level. Is anyone else having this problem? StevenI, if you could do anything about this I'd appreciate it. 		2012-04-18 05:56:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

I just wish random people weren't always trying to "Dive in" into into my pod after playing a level... :/ It happens every-time. I play a level, go back to my pod, and *poof!* [RandomUser would like you join you.]2012-04-18 05:58:00

Author:
redwes
Posts: 12

So from the cool page now:

there is a level with 230 yays and 11k plays. Hmmm doesn't sound like a good level. Oh it's a copied shark survival.

Or

1400 yays and 5k plays. Hmmm now that sounds good. Oh look it's Episode 83 of the community spotlight.

I'm rather interested to see how/if the new system filters out junk eaiser.		2012-04-18 09:07:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

I'm having a big problem ever since updating to 1.12. Whenever I Dive In, everything works fine and I go straight to someone's pod.

You know how after finishing a level it gives the options 'Back' or 'Continue Without Them'? Well I wait for the host to press continue but that screen won't go away. So I'm stuck in their Pod with the 'Continue Without Them' screen. If I push 'Back', it will only give me the option to Leave to my Pod.

It's kinda irritating being forced to leave whoever I join after playing a level. Is anyone else having this problem? StevenI, if you could do anything about this I'd appreciate it.

That issue is currently being looked into:
https://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/update_1_12_problem-xhvss

If anyone wants to keep up-to-date with any issues reported for the game, you may wish to keep an eye on our official QA site:
https://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet

Our dedicated QA team monitor this site quite vigilantly and any major issues reported on there will definitely come to their attention.

Similarly if anyone has any issues that you would like to report or can add any further information to an already reported issue, then anyone is more than welcome to post on the site. 		2012-04-18 11:05:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

That issue is currently being looked into:
https://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/update_1_12_problem-xhvss

If anyone wants to keep up-to-date with any issues reported for the game, you may wish to keep an eye on our official QA site:
https://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet

Our dedicated QA team monitor this site quite vigilantly and any major issues reported on there will definitely come to their attention.

Similarly if anyone has any issues that you would like to report or can add any further information to an already reported issue, then anyone is more than welcome to post on the site.

This new feature where its says "Looking for players to join" (or something like that) when you begin a level, can you turn that off?

Also, not related to the patch, but might as well mention while you're here - this has been popping up a few times in the past week or so: https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=69818-Changes-to-your-profile-could-not-be-saved-due-to-an-unknown-error		2012-04-18 11:21:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I actually like this.
a good level will still receive the right amount of yays.
plays/yays and you have your rating ;-)
if someone make a very very very very very bad level it will just not receive the same amount of yays... i mean...
if i see something like this:

1000 plays - 500 yays

1000 plays - 21 yays

i still can recognize wich level is good and wich not.

if you want to criticize a level you can still review it. if the creator disabled the reviews then he will not receive bad feedback but not the good either.

escuse my english, i hope you can understand me :-)

Riki.		2012-04-18 12:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

Even tho it's kinda done with for now, after more thought I actually don't like this change, or at least I think it could have been adjusted while still achieving your goal.


Boo's shouldn't show up on a level, but rather "subtract" from the total Yay's.

This is actually a really good idea.

If you [MM] are keeping an open mind on the subject, then I believe the above could be implemented with limited effort and no knock-on effect on other areas such as website, UI, pins, rating system, etc.

Revert to old UI on end level screen. Rating optional as usual, yay if you liked it, boo if you didn't. The adjustment would be upon hitting boo, the review screen pops up and the ok button is disabled until 100+ chars reached. If completed the boo is subtracted from the yay count (the boo isn't displayed as per the current update).

Trolls/abusers of the system will be greatly down as few would actually bother to fill out the review and again with no boo's displayed its less satisfactory for them. It keeps a clear record for all to see who disliked something and why. And gives all users back the feeling of being able to adequately express their dislike for something.

Really not sure why I'm bothered by any of this, I think out of however many hundreds or possibly getting into the thousands of online levels I've played, I could probably count the amount of boo's I've handed out on my 2 hands with fingers to spare. I guess I'm just pro-choice lol		2012-04-18 13:12:00

Author:
Masseyf
Posts: 226

Forget about the stupid boos. How about the fact that these updates are destroying the game? Now every time I boot it up there is horrible lag I have to wait to go away before I start playing, and just now I tried to load a level on my moon and the screen turned white. I couldn't even turn off my PS3 normally. I had to use the switch in the back. This has never happened before. Thankfully the system came back on with my HDD intact...

I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, this is just my opinion, but enough is ENOUGH! It's gotten to the point where I really hate these updates and it's getting to the point where I'm questioning if I should download a new update or just quit playing online. There is enough DLC. There are enough costumes. As far as I'm concerned they should just increase the maximum speed of the followers and then END the updates!!! 		2012-04-18 13:36:00

Author:
Reef1978
Posts: 527

All of you guys who can't find whats good on the cool pages, isnt it easy enough by just looking at the title?

If it says "Shark Bomb Survival" Dont play it. If it says "3D RACER FORZA" Then play it. You shouldnt need ratings to play a level on the cool pages.		2012-04-18 14:20:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

As far as I'm concerned they should just increase the maximum speed of the followers and then END the updates!!!

Yeah, that's really fair. I'm sure everyone has their pet fix that they just want to see put in before ending the updates, so how will you decide which get in and which don't?		2012-04-18 14:22:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

Yeah, that's really fair. I'm sure everyone has their pet fix that they just want to see put in before ending the updates, so how will you decide which get in and which don't?

I guess it's about as fair as having to choose between playing offline only or downloading the next game breaking update to play online. They can fix whatever they want. I would think they'd want to fix whatever would benefit the most people. I don't decide, they decide. I just want the updates to end.		2012-04-18 14:37:00

Author:
Reef1978
Posts: 527

I guess it's about as fair as having to choose between playing offline only or downloading the next game breaking update to play online. They can fix whatever they want. I would think they'd want to fix whatever would benefit the most people. I don't decide, they decide. I just want the updates to end.

Do you have inside info? Otherwise, how do you know the rating system adjustment doesn't benefit the most people? I've no idea how many trolls are out there or how many people complained, but it seems a safe bet there were enough since I don't think MM or any company for that matter would make such an adjustment for no reason!

I can appreciate that having an update which causes other bugs or stability issues is frustrating, I've gamed long enough to have experienced more than my fair share of such a thing. But there's no reason to try hunt MM from updating their game. And for all your negativity here, I noticed on your bio you're cheering about the paint sticker fix. So it's not all bad, is it? 		2012-04-18 16:15:00

Author:
Masseyf
Posts: 226

That issue is currently being looked into:
https://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/update_1_12_problem-xhvss

If anyone wants to keep up-to-date with any issues reported for the game, you may wish to keep an eye on our official QA site:
https://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet

Our dedicated QA team monitor this site quite vigilantly and any major issues reported on there will definitely come to their attention.

Similarly if anyone has any issues that you would like to report or can add any further information to an already reported issue, then anyone is more than welcome to post on the site.

Thanks, good to know I'm not the only one experiencing this. Hope they can fix it soon.		2012-04-18 17:11:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

Do you have inside info? Otherwise, how do you know the rating system adjustment doesn't benefit the most people? I've no idea how many trolls are out there or how many people complained, but it seems a safe bet there were enough since I don't think MM or any company for that matter would make such an adjustment for no reason!

I can appreciate that having an update which causes other bugs or stability issues is frustrating, I've gamed long enough to have experienced more than my fair share of such a thing. But there's no reason to try hunt MM from updating their game. And for all your negativity here, I noticed on your bio you're cheering about the paint sticker fix. So it's not all bad, is it?

I'm not even talking about the rating system. I don't care about that. I'm talking about future updates and the simple desire to have a game that actually works. You would think that's something everyone would, you know, agree on? Yeah I'm happy a feature that should have worked half a year ago is working now. Just goes to show how lowered my expectations have become, and that's really just me informing people about the fix since MM doesn't do a particularly good job of that.

They really need to fix the worst issues and then leave well enough alone otherwise the game will be stuck in a cycle of "fix this, break that" that never ends. 		2012-04-18 17:30:00

Author:
Reef1978
Posts: 527

All of you guys who can't find whats good on the cool pages, isnt it easy enough by just looking at the title?

Not particularly when it comes to good levels which have non-descript titles, or spam levels with creative titles.

My biggest fear from this is that it'll mean that more spam levels get on the cool pages. I've known different voting communities where people will join together in order to upvote something to the higher positions, and this seems particularly vulnerable to it.		2012-04-18 18:35:00

Author:
Vector-Espio-Fan
Posts: 119

I'm sure this has been said, but the stars need to come back. worked much better than Y/B in my opinion; instead of your only options being "yeah that was awesome" or "nope, sucked", you got 5 options. At least we did have Y/B, now you can only like or really like stuff. MM needs to actually pay attention to us and implement updates that will actually do some good. I mean, look at this thread! it's full of 90% negative feedback on 1.12. will they do something about it? No. Next thing you know, they'll add a 'super yay' and you won't be able to continue to your pod unless you pick yay or super yay after playing something. I can understand trying to avoid too many hurt feelings from the younger side, but really, there MUST be some kind of functional feedback. If they were to have an update that brings back the star system, and disables copying altogether (you can always send around a backup file of a level project through email for multiple creators), I could care less about new DLC for a while. I'd be too busy playing the pile of awesome levels long-lost in the wreck of LittleBigTanic.

TL;DR
MM, look before you update. You're the source of the problem by enabling copying and taking away stars in the first place.		2012-04-18 18:48:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

Hey just a heads up...

If any of you get stuck in the start menu (not the rating screen) like I have been a few times after the patch... selecting the camera tool at the bottom of the menu will break you out of it. Annoyed me quite a bit until I worked that out.

Also I found a feature I like XD I love that guests in the pod can now see the level information you're looking at. Still not keen on the rating system though (I see why it has been done and I agree with the reasons completly... just feel the solution could of been better)		2012-04-18 20:09:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma
Posts: 1414

Just found that this update also messed up my profile and now every time something happens (playing levels, back to pod, save in create, etc) it says 'recent changes to your profile cannot be saved due to an unknown error'. Thanks MM, much appreciated.2012-04-18 23:15:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

I'm sure this has been said, but the stars need to come back. worked much better than Y/B in my opinion; instead of your only options being "yeah that was awesome" or "nope, sucked", you got 5 options. At least we did have Y/B, now you can only like or really like stuff. MM needs to actually pay attention to us and implement updates that will actually do some good. I mean, look at this thread! it's full of 90% negative feedback on 1.12. will they do something about it? No. Next thing you know, they'll add a 'super yay' and you won't be able to continue to your pod unless you pick yay or super yay after playing something. I can understand trying to avoid too many hurt feelings from the younger side, but really, there MUST be some kind of functional feedback. If they were to have an update that brings back the star system, and disables copying altogether (you can always send around a backup file of a level project through email for multiple creators), I could care less about new DLC for a while. I'd be too busy playing the pile of awesome levels long-lost in the wreck of LittleBigTanic.

TL;DR
MM, look before you update. You're the source of the problem by enabling copying and taking away stars in the first place.

We are a democracy. We have the right to share our opinions. And here's what else can happen: If they remove boos, feedback can get even more inappropriate and a violation of the EULA. I'm not going to do it, but this is possible.

After reading all of these complaints from you guys, I'm thinking that update 1.12 is worse than update 1.10, where the creatinator in Bank for Buck doesn't work.		2012-04-18 23:35:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Geez, it seems impossible to please anyone on these boards. I mean, I can understand complaining, but "LittleBigTanic"? Saying you hate the game now? Come on.2012-04-18 23:57:00

Author:
Behonkiss
Posts: 229

We are a democracy. We have the right to share our opinions. And here's what else can happen: If they remove boos, feedback can get even more inappropriate and a violation of the EULA. I'm not going to do it, but this is possible.

After reading all of these complaints from you guys, I'm thinking that update 1.12 is worse than update 1.10, where the creatinator in Bank for Buck doesn't work.

It's definitely worse. they ended up fixing that anyway.

Don't know which thread I mentioned this in, but 2 days ago I slapped together a quick level explaining how life-sucking this update is and how it does nothing good for anyone, and some guy by the name of 'schnebeli96' went to my earth profile and commented 'fgt'. Now, this usually doesn't phase me too much but when it comes to the fact that I went and looked at his earth to find nothing bot copied survivals and descriptions saying things like 'lol u noobs h4h is cool stop hatin littl kiddies', my jimmies have officially been rustled. And that was before the update even hit. Not only that, directly after I ran the game the first time with this update, my profile got corrupted, making a huge months-of-work WIP little more than a paperweight. I can't back anything up, save anything, delete anything, or copy anything. levels, costumes, objects, profiles.

Also, I don't hate the game, it's one of the best games I've ever played. a good third of the people who play it on the other hand, and MM's purely awesomely amazing decisions on how to run it, that's a different story.		2012-04-19 00:16:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

One has to consider that reinventing the boo system would require additional development resources. It's one thing to disable part of the interface and another entirely to expand it. It might not be the most challenging addition in the history of programming, but someone still has to justify allocating production and quality assurance man-hours that could be spent elsewhere. Would it really be worth it to adapt boos into a feature that essentially forces the user to write a review when simply removing the option would require critics to leave a review anyway?

Surely we can imagine different approaches, but this is an effective and pragmatic solution. People that want to leave constructive feedback will do so and spiteful spammers will have lost an outlet. A "Could Not Complete" tag would be interesting, but we should just type that into the review box and call it a day, right?

Certainly pragmatic, but I wouldn't necessarily say that it's effective; it's not very efficient for a creator with a lot of plays and reviews to scroll through a lot of reviews to find out what the implementation of a tag requirement to the boo feature could reveal in a couple seconds.

Also, in response to just about every post in which the poster says, "Finally, I'll start getting constructive feedback!" Reviews are not a perfect way in which to receive feedback. Many players won't bother to write a real review of a level because it takes too much time (surprisingly, very few people have keyboards or the PS3 keyboard attachment for the controller). Navigating across the keyboard takes forever, and it can result in frustration just trying to write a simple sentence. Have you every tried having a conversation with a person without a keyboard in LBP? It's horrifically frustrating, to say the least. And what about online play? If someone can only leave constructive feedback by writing a review, nobody they're playing with is going to wait for three minutes while the game host leaves a sentence-long review for the creator.

It's definitely worth it for MM to invest the time improving the feedback system (at this point, I would be just fine with the implementation of a constructive criticism tag feature, even if the boo didn't come back). There's a lot of potential for good, constructive feedback if some form of constructive criticism is allowed.



DominationMags

All of you guys who can't find whats good on the cool pages, isnt it easy enough by just looking at the title?


For me, at least, it's not about the Cool Pages, but the other levels. The Cool Pages are always going to be filled with the good and the bad, and for the most part it's not too hard to tell what's good and what's bad or copied. The Cool Pages are a separate problem?a problem that could be partially remedied by the elimination of the copy feature (though an exception could be made for players who have each other on their friends lists).

The real problem here is trying to judge a level that isn't just a copied shark survival, but that looks like it had a bit of effort put into it. Without some kind of effective rating system, this is made into a much more arduous task.



RikiRiki-ita

I actually like this.
a good level will still receive the right amount of yays.
plays/yays and you have your rating ;-)
if someone make a very very very very very bad level it will just not receive the same amount of yays


But plays to yays is not the same as yays to boos (well obviously, but in the same sense, not very obvious). In some circumstances, players may be less inclined to give a level a rating than in other situations. For example, when there's a level link, say in one of those level series that has the introduction, and then links the main level, players may wait to see if the real level's any good before giving a yay. Or perhaps the player's version of LBP is not working properly, and their PS3 never loads the level link. Or, in the case of long RPG levels, the player may not be able to finish the level, and must rush to do something in their own life, and will have to turn off their PS3.

Hopefully, though, some kind of numerical statistic or ratio for a level could be added to the level icon where the boo count used to be. Maybe, even, boos could be reinstated, but would not be seen, but instead be counted towards a ratio displayed in place of the former boo count.

(Once again, sorry for the lengthy post)		2012-04-19 00:44:00

Author:
spiffyspleen
Posts: 23

Its like all you guys want to boo people....

Trolls :kz:

But seriously, If you wanna boo people now, leave a review. If your stuck between 2 levels and need a rating, just play both. Problem Solved.		2012-04-19 05:17:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

Its like all you guys want to boo people....

Trolls :kz:

But seriously, If you wanna boo people now, leave a review. If your stuck between 2 levels and need a rating, just play both. Problem Solved.

Easier said than done. Since when has everybody had the time to play two levels instead of one? Not everybody spends hours each day playing LBP.		2012-04-19 15:10:00

Author:
spiffyspleen
Posts: 23

Easier said than done. Since when has everybody had the time to play two levels instead of one? Not everybody spends hours each day playing LBP.

10 minutes? Each level only takes like 5 minutes....Not that hard, dude.		2012-04-19 15:12:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

I've come to think that the update itself isn't bad, just what most people are debating about--the rating system. Over the past few days, I found myself changing my former opinion on the boos being gone, I've been given some very valid points, but what prevented me was the OTHER good points. This alteration has its ups and downs, and I can name a bunch on both cases. However, I feel that too much debate tears us apart, although some controlled and firm discussion over an issue is healthy at times.

Indeed, the removal of boos has made LBP a bit of a friendlier place, a lot less negativity, more reviews, feedback, and more. This may pose as a chance for some people to start creating, because I know many people who were afraid to build because they thought a ton of people would hate their levels. I think they were removed to make things easier and less tense between the players of the community. Criticism, although helpful, can be hurtful at times. Most people are also saying the boo was useless, and it didn't do anything but hinder the creator.

On the other hand, the eradication of boos has brought more abusive strategies to the table. No, I'm not giving anyone ideas. Many pages all over LBP will have misleading levels where nearly everything is disabled, leaving no evidence of its quality and acting as an easy play magnet--with NO consequence. Many people are saying it silences the community and disturbed the unity of it. Every level that had been published prior to the update may have been disturbed statistics-wise, because now that you have to actually YAY it to show you like it, every person who didn't press the yay may join the count of the former booers, although each aren't visible. The neutral face can also be turned into the new boo, so many people think it did not even make much of a difference in the first place, like this whole thing is some sort of "out-of-sight-out-of-mind" effort. Like the old saying goes, you may not know what you have until it's gone.

So there's loads of things that could make this good OR bad. Of course, everyone has their different reasons. You can say it's both encouraging and discouraging creativity, I guess whatever happens to LBP will tell. I think maybe we'll get used to it, especially as newer players join us.		2012-04-19 18:13:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

If you want others to have to write a review in order to boo then the same should apply to yays, right?2012-04-19 20:57:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

If you want others to have to write a review in order to boo then the same should apply to yays, right?

You've outthunken me :kz: Well, I guess so, but a "Yay" Emoticon is also encouraging, unlike the "boo". Perhaps thats why they kept it.		2012-04-19 22:48:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

10 minutes? Each level only takes like 5 minutes....Not that hard, dude.

Though I would love to have "oodles" more time to spend on LBP, currently my time on LBP is measured in minutes, not hours. Some people have the time to play two levels, others don't; plus, it's usually not a choice between two levels, but a situation where the player must select one level from a sea of levels.

If MM wants to get rid of the boo, good, but there should be at least a feature that can effectively point players to good levels and provide some level of feedback to the creator.		2012-04-20 00:26:00

Author:
spiffyspleen
Posts: 23

I read another effect of the boo removal. The Cool Pages aren't just scattered, but the highest rated levels page has been corrupted. It's showing the cool levels rather than the most popular levels ever.

And here's another thing. If there's no boos, why do we need yays if we have hearts? It's either bring back the boos or take out the yays too. Both isn't an option, and same is neither.		2012-04-20 01:36:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

good lord, removing the boos seems to have dropped an atom bomb on the community. let's give it a month and see how things go, eh?2012-04-20 02:13:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

It all sounds good to me.

The removal of boos follows the principle of "if you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything all", which was always my approach to rating levels anyhow.		2012-04-20 02:34:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

It all sounds good to me.

The removal of boos follows the principle of "if you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything all", which was always my approach to rating levels anyhow.

same here, although i've got to be honest, i did boo a couple of levels that were clearly put up just for the trophies. enter level, walk to end, leave.		2012-04-20 02:43:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

good lord, removing the boos seems to have dropped an atom bomb on the community. let's give it a month and see how things go, eh?

Yes, I know. It's hard for people to yay a level that is copied or trash. I'm starting to feel that if we continue complaining about the update by publishing levels all about it, we coud have two possible outcomes, and only one of them can be true:

Mm could reverse the update. They know how bad of a problem it is, as whatever they expected turned out to be the opposite.

OR

Mm could toughen up and take away other priveleges/rights. Examples include, having a filter where levels can't be published without approval, platinum club pin gets edited out of the game etc.

The first possible outcome would fix the complaints, but the second one would make things worse.		2012-04-20 02:44:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Yes, I know. It's hard for people to yay a level that is copied or trash. I'm starting to feel that if we continue complaining about the update by publishing levels all about it, we coud have two possible outcomes, and only one of them can be true:

Mm could reverse the update. They know how bad of a problem it is, as whatever they expected turned out to be the opposite.

OR

Mm could toughen up and take away other priveleges/rights. Examples include, having a filter where levels can't be published without approval, platinum club pin gets edited out of the game etc.

The first possible outcome would fix the complaints, but the second one would make things worse.

Neither of these will happen. No one is forced to yay a level thats copied or trash. Just because boos are gone doesn't mean you have to yay something. If everyone publishes levels about this its just proof that the community is immature. This is simply everyone overreacting. People say this patch is going to make copied levels get even more popular. How do we know this? The update has barely been out. Give it time. This update is more like a test anyway. After a few months we will see some results.

Edit: You know what really irritates me now? The fact that now (at the time of this post), the cool levels is filled with either, the occasional copied level, a level complaining about boos, a level complaining about h4h, and then theres a few real levels there somewhere. Why cant people just give it a rest? Theres more levels complaining about something than there are copied levels on the cool pages right now. Give it a rest people. You're only making it seem like its a problem, when in reality you're just digging the hole deeper. The community is more of the problem here. Not necessarily MM's decisions.		2012-04-20 02:57:00

Author:
DreJ1212
Posts: 240

Neither of these will happen. No one is forced to yay a level thats copied or trash. Just because boos are gone doesn't mean you have to yay something. If everyone publishes levels about this its just proof that the community is immature. This is simply everyone overreacting. People say this patch is going to make copied levels get even more popular. How do we know this? The update has barely been out. Give it time. This update is more like a test anyway. After a few months we will see some results.

Edit: You know what really irritates me now? The fact that now (at the time of this post), the cool levels is filled with either, the occasional copied level, a level complaining about boos, a level complaining about h4h, and then theres a few real levels there somewhere. Why cant people just give it a rest? Theres more levels complaining about something than there are copied levels on the cool pages right now. Give it a rest people. You're only making it seem like its a problem, when in reality you're just digging the hole deeper. The community is more of the problem here. Not necessarily MM's decisions.

Maybe Mm should revise the EULA, making it a violation to make a level complaining about an update.

If they updated this just for a test, then these complaint levels are just like being mean to somebody just for a piece of candy. If it was updated for permanent reasons, then this will go on forever. And whatever you said in bold sounds like I won't be getting plays easily. Whatever I said is how socialism works. They do one thing, then when results become negative, they fix it by making it worse.		2012-04-20 04:44:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I honestly would not doubt they would make it against the EULA to make protest levels. They're really just getting out of hand now. I think having so many complaints on the cool page now is (in a way) a good thing, because -maybe- just --maybe-- when MM goes through to set mmpicks, they'll see them and think twice(but I still doubt it), and de-corrupt the community. I've said this a thousand times, but I'm saying it again, what I think needs to be done is to have another update that,

A- brings back the star ratings, but leaves likes and dislikes on comments and reviews. Having stars gets rid of the direct 'yeah this is awesome' and 'nope, completely sucked' type feedback, and the ratio of b/y. everyone's ratings are pooled and averaged into one. The way I see it, that's a better way to determine if a level is good or not. with b/y, there's no middle, just the two extremes.

B- gets rid of disabling comments and reviews on levels. Leaving it on profiles is fine, but levels need feedback. That's what a game based on the creativity of its players thrives on. If someone leaves a nasty non-informative 'this sux u suk' review on your level, delete it. you don't have to leave it there.

C- NO more public copying directly in-game. if you have a building team and you want to share something around to work on it, the original owner sets permissions in the global settings for that level- who can create in it, who can publish it. Only works with people on your PSN friends list. Then you can make a backup of the level file and transfer it over email/filesharing/whatever.

CC- An alternative, make a whole new feature that replaces copying altogether. In the level's settings when you publish, add a WIP / under construction option. This publishes the level automatically locked, and in WIP mode, where anyone set in the level's permissions can go on your Earth, and go into that level and create in it. when they save, before it publishes, the original owner gets to look it over and can undo any changes or void the entire last create session, then publish. The original owner would also be able to look at a 'level log' of sorts in any WIP mode level on their earth, that shows who's been in it, how long, etc.

As far as I can tell from LBP2's current condition, MM either doesn't really care about the players as a whole, or they wanted this to happen. If you look at the condition of LBP1 when LBP2 was released, they could not have just 'assumed it wouldn't happen again', that would be extremely ignorant.


edit- Also, the video up there is a little extreme in this case. There are some very valid points ITT.		2012-04-20 18:06:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

Another issue I compare Update 1.12 to: The Prohibition of the 1920's.

Mm took out the boo option because we've been abusing the option, and it's making people feel bad. As soon as they did, people made levels complaining about the update, and feedback became more inappropriate. The prohibition had a similar effect, but only on crime and speakeasies rather than protests.		2012-04-20 19:10:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Another issue I compare Update 1.12 to: The Prohibition of the 1920's.

LOL!!!

Oh now.... I don't see gangsters, organized crime and car chases coming into play due to removing boos. This really isn't a big deal.		2012-04-20 19:43:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

LOL!!!

Oh now.... I don't see gangsters, organized crime and car chases coming into play due to removing boos. This really isn't a big deal.
I think apple meant the reaction to the removal more than the ordeal itself, I mean it's not like anyone's really going to start a rebellion because a few pixels were removed from the screen.		2012-04-20 19:52:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

As far as I can tell from LBP2's current condition, MM either doesn't really care about the players as a whole, or they wanted this to happen. If you look at the condition of LBP1 when LBP2 was released, they could not have just 'assumed it wouldn't happen again', that would be extremely ignorant.



What?! Of course MM cares about the players! Though I don't like the removal of the boo feature, MM did it because they wanted to improve the LBP community, not because they don't care about the players. Debate the negative and positive repercussions of the removal of the boo all you want (and offer suggestions,too ), but don't go trashing MM just because they made an update that they believe will improve the game.		2012-04-20 20:26:00

Author:
spiffyspleen
Posts: 23

LOL!!!

Oh now.... I don't see gangsters, organized crime and car chases coming into play due to removing boos. This really isn't a big deal.

This won't happen if Mm removes the boos, but here's what I mean:

What happened?
Update 1.12 - the boos were removed.
18th Amendment - alcohol is completely banned with no exceptions.

Why?
Update 1.12 - boos were removed because people abused that rating.
18th Amendment - prohibition took effect to reduce family abuse.

What were the results?
Update 1.12 - people made levels complaining about the removal of boos.
18th Amendment - people opened speakeasies.

What else?
Update 1.12 - negative feedback became more inappropriate.
18th Amendment - crime rate went up, either by the company owners or by the consumers.

What other issue would I compare Update 1.12 to? A similar update to another game? I have the ultimate idea about our rating system.		2012-04-20 21:43:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I seriously believe this has been a step backward in the community. You may bash me all you please, but this, I believe is true. It's not just the removal of the boos, although that played a big part. It's almost as if there's been a lack of oversight on the patchers' part. Online play has been much more laggy, regardless of who I play with. I can't really play online and have fun anymore due to the extreme lag. You have to re-join the leader of a group every time they go back to their pod, which gets quite annoying after a bit. Online play has been a lot more glitchy as well-I have been disconnected from my friends quite a bit now. It seems here, as with another patch, that in trying to fix bugs, Mm has created more bugs. People get stuck in the pause menu and have to take a picture to get out at the end of levels if they continue without the host. Crashing is almost random. Dive in can break a lot and not work. The game searches for suitable players before entering a level, even if you wanted to play on your own. The whole experience seems really disjointed, and I can't really play with more than 1 friend online due to the lag. It was never this bad before. Already joined with my complaints about removing the boo and being able to disable comments or reviews, yes, I feel this is a giant step backward. I'm not even sure if Mm tested this enough, or they would notice the lag and glaring bugs.

On a side note, one of my best friends quit LBP because of this patch. He was really mad. I will miss him.		2012-04-21 04:10:00

Author:
Kalawishis
Posts: 928

Forget the boo-away thing (even if it's completely unnecessary but, I see it's a good way to combat cyber-bullying). This update is a disaster. And by disaster, I mean it has a few annoying bugs now. I've run into the "I'm stuck on the pause menu after a level is done" bug. Here's what I mean as an example:

Friend goes to a level > We give our ratings > Suddenly me or my friend is stuck on the pause menu without even touching the start button.

The only way to combat this is to go to the moon, leave the pod or enter another level. Has anyone else had this problem? I hope they fix this ASAP.

Edit: Agrees with post above about the random bugs that popped up.		2012-04-21 04:28:00

Author:
siberian_ninja15
Posts: 444

Yea it's kind of odd they didnt notice that multiplayer bug which happens every time, it's like they never tested multiplayer, or tested without finishing level2012-04-21 05:50:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

What happened?
Update 1.12 - the boos were removed.
18th Amendment - alcohol is completely banned with no exceptions.
Yesterday - I farted.*

Why?
Update 1.12 - boos were removed because people abused that rating.
18th Amendment - prohibition took effect to reduce family abuse.
Yesterday - I abused some beans for dinner.

What were the results?
Update 1.12 - people made levels complaining about the removal of boos.
18th Amendment - people opened speakeasies.
Yesterday - people opened some windows.

What else?
Update 1.12 - negative feedback became more inappropriate.
18th Amendment - crime rate went up, either by the company owners or by the consumers.
Yesterday - air quality went down.


This is just silly. If players were making speakeasy levels where they could secretly boo levels, and "crime" went up (what is crime in LBP terms anyway? spam?), then it would be a valid analogy.



* This may or may not have happened. You can't prove it was mine anyway.		2012-04-21 09:28:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

Also its **** near impossible to play with 2 or more players. After you have played a level you are then stuck in pause screen are the rating the level screen, after you return to your pod.2012-04-21 10:26:00

Author:
The_Lil_JoKeR
Posts: 745

There IS a way to not have to return to your pod after a level. You go to the pause screen, by hitting back (I think) and take a photo from the pause screen. Taking a photo automatically closes the pause screen which means you don't have to leave to your pod.

Oh, and the boo being gone doesn't bother me, I just don't like taking pointless pictures. But meh, at least you can delete them afterwards. 		2012-04-21 13:10:00

Author:
TheMonkeyBlade
Posts: 687

I seriously believe this has been a step backward in the community. You may bash me all you please, but this, I believe is true. It's not just the removal of the boos, although that played a big part. It's almost as if there's been a lack of oversight on the patchers' part. Online play has been much more laggy, regardless of who I play with. I can't really play online and have fun anymore due to the extreme lag. You have to re-join the leader of a group every time they go back to their pod, which gets quite annoying after a bit. Online play has been a lot more glitchy as well-I have been disconnected from my friends quite a bit now. It seems here, as with another patch, that in trying to fix bugs, Mm has created more bugs. People get stuck in the pause menu and have to take a picture to get out at the end of levels if they continue without the host. Crashing is almost random. Dive in can break a lot and not work. The game searches for suitable players before entering a level, even if you wanted to play on your own. The whole experience seems really disjointed, and I can't really play with more than 1 friend online due to the lag. It was never this bad before. Already joined with my complaints about removing the boo and being able to disable comments or reviews, yes, I feel this is a giant step backward. I'm not even sure if Mm tested this enough, or they would notice the lag and glaring bugs.

On a side note, one of my best friends quit LBP because of this patch. He was really mad. I will miss him.
Not to mention people getting corrupted profiles and moons with the 'cannot save recent changes' error is a lot more common now.		2012-04-21 14:53:00

Author:
Eanikran
Posts: 79

Also its **** near impossible to play with 2 or more players. After you have played a level you are then stuck in pause screen are the rating the level screen, after you return to your pod.

Press take a full screen pictureand menu will disapper		2012-04-21 18:24:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

This is just silly. If players were making speakeasy levels where they could secretly boo levels, and "crime" went up (what is crime in LBP terms anyway? spam?), then it would be a valid analogy.



* This may or may not have happened. You can't prove it was mine anyway.

What I'm trying to say is update 1.12 caused a major impact on the community, like the 18th Amendment did to society in the 1920's. At least I don't see crime, and I'm not sayint that the complaint levels are speakeasy levels; I'm saying that people were publihsing complaint levels in response to the update. Speakeasies tell us that people hated prohibition. Complaint levels tell us that the community hates the update.

Here's the real truth about the update: Getting rid of the boos don't really upset me, as I rather keep the yays without the boos over keeping the boos without the yays, but I always enjoyed studying controversies. That's why I joined this topic.

I'm going to the suggestions forum to talk about the ultimate plan.		2012-04-21 20:32:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Was wondering if anyone else knows about this "too lazy to go through the thread"

when you try to make a new actor name in a speech bubble, the initial text will not be blank. It will be the text of the bubble.

To avoid this: enter the actor name first then the bubble text.

(pretty sure this happened b/c of the update.


also: it seems that when I play with other people and we get out of a level, they leave and join instantaneously (it says " person is joining" when in the pod coming from a level)"		2012-04-24 00:44:00

Author:
a_mailbox
Posts: 416

People should be done rambling about the update by now. I know it sounds like nobody really wants to post here anymore, but when an update is released, people talk about it a lot on the first few days, but then it calms down.2012-04-24 01:33:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Unlike everyone else, I kinda like the new update. Mostly because the dive in button is in a more conveinent location. This way, I can click the button, and disapoint myself even faster. Thanks Media Molecule!

The boo-be-gone kinda sucks though. Now I can't boo the levels that deseve to be shoved down the bottom of what we call the LBP Community, like the scam and costume levels.		2012-04-24 21:30:00

Author:
Unknown User

Last night ugly new bug related to this update happened to me. At the very beginning of a level, EULA screen appeared with Accept and Decline options. Nothing could be done other than restart LBP.
It must be that I really love LBP, when despite all the annoying and will-killing old and new bugs I still rush to play it. 		2012-04-26 12:42:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

I understand the mindset they had when they removed Boo's, but the way they dealt with it is completely wrong. I feel like they removed it just to save some little kid's self esteem when his bomb survival or any other mediocre level gets boo'd. Now, in no way am I saying that ALl kids are bad creators. I'm just trying to say that what by removing Boo's, they removed a very important part of level rating. Not letting people express their honest opinion without having to write a comment or review, (which doesn't affect the level rating at all) is just a downright bad idea.2012-05-27 14:41:00

Author:
dragonember
Posts: 607

sorry but i don't see that logic at all. a level with 10% yays is not going to be as good as a level with 50% yays (taking into consideration the amount of plays of course). it's a simpler system and works better IMO. yays and boos created a fluctuating assessment of a levels quality, were as just having yays creates a constant that is a relative assessment of a levels quality. this means that levels are rated in terms of the quality at present. so, in order to gain kudos from the community all you have to do is concentrate on getting yays and you don't have to worry about personal tastes or nasty people who just like to boo for the sake of it. now the only comparison people have is how many yays they have. this isn't too dissimilar to comparing yays with boos but it does away with the negative aspects that should never have been there in the first place.

think about it this way: if this site had the ability to boo people for posting as well as thank people for posting it would lead to a lot of problems and personal vendettas. when you look at the thanks, you don't go back through the thread to see who hasn't thanked you, you are just pleased that you have been thanked. if you could then filter threads based on the amount of thanks, you would get a near perfect assessment of who makes the most effort and who makes the better comments.

that is what's happening at the moment in the LBP community and it makes sense		2012-05-27 14:55:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

sorry but i don't see that logic at all. a level with 10% yays is not going to be as good as a level with 50% yays (taking into consideration the amount of plays of course). it's a simpler system and works better IMO. yays and boos created a fluctuating assessment of a levels quality, were as just having yays creates a constant that is a relative assessment of a levels quality. this means that levels are rated in terms of the quality at present. so, in order to gain kudos from the community all you have to do is concentrate on getting yays and you don't have to worry about personal tastes or nasty people who just like to boo for the sake of it. now the only comparison people have is how many yays they have. this isn't too dissimilar to comparing yays with boos but it does away with the negative aspects that should never have been there in the first place.

think about it this way: if this site had the ability to boo people for posting as well as thank people for posting it would lead to a lot of problems and personal vendettas. when you look at the thanks, you don't go back through the thread to see who hasn't thanked you, you are just pleased that you have been thanked. if you could then filter threads based on the amount of thanks, you would get a near perfect assessment of who makes the most effort and who makes the better comments.

that is what's happening at the moment in the LBP community and it makes sense

There use to be a variation of the boo on LBPC. It removed reputation every time you used it. It worked very well, helped point out the jerkfaces.		2012-05-27 15:21:00

Author:
Testudini
Posts: 3262

There use to be a variation of the boo on LBPC. It removed reputation every time you used it. It worked very well, helped point out the jerkfaces.

And then just now I would had Booed your comment.

booing on sites are horrible.i would never join a forum like that myself.		2012-05-27 15:32:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Still wondering why this update makes my game freeze on startup making it unplayable.2012-05-28 16:57:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Still wondering why this update makes my game freeze on startup making it unplayable.

maybe you should delete the patch and try again. i don't have any problems playing on LBP myself. no freezes ETC.		2012-05-28 17:19:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

same here. no problems whatsoever2012-05-28 17:32:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I didn't write many posts, but I want to share an idea. Why MM don't make rating system with three options? I mean:
1. Yay - great level, fantastic
2. Mhm - could be better but keep creating, you have potential
3. Boo - uncreative, copy, no effort put into level, H4H
And I thought that would be great if MM gave us possibility to tell what is good in level and what needs more work.
For example:

"Mhm
+ gameplay, story, character
- visuals, music"

What do you think about my idea? Is it good? Or wrong? I'm waiting for yours opinions.
If my English grammar is bad, please tell me what's wrong.

EDIT:
I was thinking about that and I changed my mind. My idea isn't good.
I think just, that MM should replace "boos" with something like "Uncreative". You know for "FREEPRIZEZCOSTUMZFORBOYZANDGIRLZSHARKBOMBMORTALSUR VIVALZOMBIEMOVIE" levels.		2012-06-27 00:03:00

Author:
Unknown User

I think they should make boos a disablable thing. infact heres desperately what i think they should do
-auto ban for not abiding by the terms of online (as say a badge saying 10 mins of create but 20 levels in your earth or a special recorded time of how long you've been in create)
-3 bans = ip ban. making it after 3 bans you will get banned from your ip. so you will not only have to prob buy a new ps3. you will have to get a new hard drive, router, IP if even possible. and then try again
-hacking. would just ban the person in the general area every time he/she makes a new account.
-better hack protection. really. psn and lbp need better hack/glitch protection. idk what to say about this.
and thats about it.

-now i know sony will have to update the entire ps3 for it.		2012-07-09 07:52:00

Author:
TinyMoMo
Posts: 132


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