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Are there any TV shows or channels you think are going downhill?

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When I went to many show forums, I can tell the ratings are falling. Older shows weren't good as they used to be, newer shows trash the networks, some good shows were removed from the air.

One example discusses South Park. People have been thinking it has been going downhill ever since Season 13. I agree South Park hasn't been doing good, especially since the 201st episode, but that's only because of the coon saga and what was going on in the second half of season 14. Season 15 was just as bad as Season 14, but Season 16 seems to improve everything. While people think South Park is getting worse, similar shows are worse when they are going downhill like Simpsons and Family Guy.

Back in 2008/2009 (when I first joined forums), there was another major discussion like this, but on the entire channel of Cartoon Network. People have been complaining about the channel and the new shows. The most beloved shows were taken off and were replaced with shows they really hate, especially live action animation. Chowder and Flapjack were good for the channel, even though people have been critical about them before they premiered. But for the most part, the channel has a lot of hatred.

So are there any channels or TV shows you think are going downhill?		2012-04-12 16:34:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Once Fox Kids died, so did a bit of kid's TV.2012-04-14 21:26:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

I haven't watched much TV in a long while, but I agree that CN has really gotten worse. They don't have any good shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog and Ed, Edd n Eddy anymore, now they have garbage like Adventure Time and Regular Show.

A show in particular that I think has gotten worse is Spongebob, I wouldn't even think of watching it anymore. Speaking of Nickelodeon, I can't remember the last time I even put that channel on or even thought about it... Disney Channel is another one, it's not even the same thing it used to be. Why do they make these random shows that have such ridiculous situations that would never actually happen? (Yes, I'm talking about the live action ones, not the cartoons) The cartoons aren't even that good either really.

On a non-cartoon note, History and Discovery channels have really gone off track, every time I put on Discovery, that motorcycle show is always on, and History just has too much stuff that isn't related to history in any way whatsoever. Really need more Modern Marvels and How It's Made...

I've also noticed a lot of knockoff shows popping up, and their usually just worse than the original. Pawn Stars is a decent show, but then I watched Hardcore Pawn, it's nothing but screaming people (Why are their so many shows like this? I think there are about three repo shows that are just people yelling and brawling like drunkards).

Now I remember why I stopped watching TV...		2012-04-15 00:00:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

I haven't watched much TV in a long while, but I agree that CN has really gotten worse. They don't have any good shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog and Ed, Edd n Eddy anymore, now they have garbage like Adventure Time and Regular Show.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3269/1317499314533.jpg

Whoa, back that .*** bandwagon up. Adventure Time I can agree with, but hating Regular Show? Expecto Whatthefutrona are you talking about?		2012-04-15 01:20:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

Whoa, back that .*** bandwagon up. Adventure Time I can agree with, but hating Regular Show? Expecto Whatthefutrona are you talking about?

I'll admit, I haven't actually watched it (I did watch one episode of Adventure Time though, and it was God-awful) but I saw the previews for it, and it looked just as bad as Adventure Time (it looked like the same people made it, honestly). One thing I really don't like is the art style, everything on CN now just looks awful.		2012-04-15 01:31:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

I'll admit, I haven't actually watched it (I did watch one episode of Adventure Time though, and it was God-awful) but I saw the previews for it, and it looked just as bad as Adventure Time (it looked like the same people made it, honestly). One thing I really don't like is the art style, everything on CN now just looks awful.

Nice way to base you argument.

On a more gentler note, Regular Show is like Ed Edd N' Eddy and Courage the Cowardly Dog combined; it has great humor that mature audience will pick up on and enjoy, their high-jinks are actually entertaining and the solutions are thought out, not "oh they get in this situation but MAGIC helps them figure things out", and they don't over exaggerate as much as Adventure Time. It's a pretty cool show and I consider it on the same level as the other good old CN shows.		2012-04-15 01:44:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

Nice way to base you argument.

Quite the persuasive counter-argument.

Alright, I may give it a try, going on your word about the plot of the show. I still don't like the overall design of it, isn't their a guy with a gumball machine for a head? I like weird stuff, but it just seems a bit too 'wtf' for my taste.		2012-04-15 01:51:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

I haven't watched much TV in a long while, but I agree that CN has really gotten worse. They don't have any good shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog and Ed, Edd n Eddy anymore, now they have garbage like Adventure Time and Regular Show.

I didn't realize that, but I agree that Cartoon Network is getting worse, but that's because I haven't seen CN in a while. Since I started watching South Park, I took off from CN. When I came back, it was horrible. Chowder was cancelled, TDI got worse, and most of these shows are very unfamiliar. Adventure Time looks like a Rip-off from Chowder and Flapjack.

The criticism of newer TV shows began all the way back in 2004/2005, when shows like Gym Partner's and Foster's home for Imaginary Friends debut. People hated shows that premiered after Camp Lazlo, such as Squirrel Boy, Chop Socky Chooks, and especially Live Action animated shows like Out of Jimmy's Head. But for Chowder, it wasn't bad at all. Clone Wars wasn't so great either.

I haven't seen Regular Show (judging by the tile, it reminds me of The Daily Show), but I heard a producer of Flapjack made this show.		2012-04-15 03:01:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Regular show and adventure time is the only thing worth anybodies time on Cartoon network. I like regular show in particular for reasons stated above, its just really well thought out and creative. The show is actually based on an acid trip, or at least Benson and Mordecai are, so you know its gonna be sweet. One of my favorite episodes is where they buy muscle man the fake lottery ticket and he flips out.2012-04-15 04:04:00

Author:
Jrange378
Posts: 573

Regarding CN, Regular Show is the only series that I really think it's worth watching. Adventure Time is tolerable, Gumball is hardly tolerable, shows like Chowder and Flapjack faded away pretty quickly, and Ben 10 has been overdone to hell.

Nickelodeon... I simply skip this channel now. Too many stupid series and the new cartoons aren't appealing at all.		2012-04-15 04:34:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

In my honest opinion, I think Adventure Time and Regular Show are a lot better than the stuff they were coming out with one or two years ago.

With Regular Show, the humor is more directed towards an older group, probably in their pre-teens and teens. The whole "bro" vibe really helps draw in attention, and to me, the show is like a toned-down version of family guy when it comes to the situations Mordecai and Rigby get involved in.

I actually like Adventure Time. Now before you go all off on me, lemme just say that yes, some stuff in that show is a bit stupid. A tiny green elephant trying to seduce a tentacle monster, a 13-year-old falling in love with an 18-year-old gum humanoid, a guy who committed suicide by eating too much nacho cheese... I'll just stop there. But it's more so the backstory and character backgrounds that have me intrigued. Adventure Time takes place after Earth has a nuclear fallout, and the central characters, as whimsical as they may be, have pretty believable personalities. And some of the truth in the series is actually really dark compared to the other shows.

Now, when I compare these shows to others like Johnny Test, Total Drama Island and the new Ben 10, I think they're lightyears ahead. I gotta admit, after Cartoon Network ditched Toonami and Miguzi (along with some of my long-time favorite shows lie Ed, Edd & Eddy and Courage the Cowardly Dog) and shortened their title, cartoons on that channel have been more hit-n-miss if anything. Stuff like Gumball and the new Looney Tunes is okay at best, while other stuff like Johnny Test (yes, I absolutely hate that show) should have been killed off long ago. And Nickelodeon... uggh. The only reason I have to watch it now is for Korra (made by the same guys who did Avatar; YOU SHOULD WATCH ET).

If there's any show that I think is going downhill it's gotta be Spongebob Squarepants. I can't bear the watch the show anymore because they've changed so much stuff. Spongebob just seems like an accident-prone idiot, Patrick is even more stupid than before, Mr. Krabs is just mean now, I don't even see Sandy anymore, Mrs. Puff is now a total wimp, and Gary talks waaay too much. If anything, they've kept Squidward mostly the same, and now these days he perfectly conveys my emotions for the show like he does for his neighbors: it's annoying, it's stupid, and I just hate it. It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.		2012-04-15 05:05:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

In my honest opinion, I think Adventure Time and Regular Show are a lot better than the stuff they were coming out with one or two years ago.
Even though I didn't like Chowder or Flapjack (yes I watched them, a few episodes as well) I still think the're better than the new shows.


Now, when I compare these shows to others like Johnny Test, Total Drama Island and the new Ben 10, I think they're lightyears ahead. I gotta admit, after Cartoon Network ditched Toonami and Miguzi (along with some of my long-time favorite shows lie Ed, Edd & Eddy and Courage the Cowardly Dog) and shortened their title, cartoons on that channel have been more hit-n-miss if anything.
Johnny Test actually started out a while back on another channel (that I can't seem to remember) before CN picked it up. It was decent the first few times, but it got old extremely fast. Total Drama Island, prime example of what CN does nowadays, bad bathroom jokes and childish humour (farts and underwear), if they were more serious with it, it might have been a decent show. Ben 10, I thought it was pretty neat, the watch turning him into aliens was a good idea. Haven't watched the newer one though, I'd imagine its gotten repetative. I vaguely remember Toonami... didn't that play Naruto and GBZ or some other? It was anime stuff at least, I think... I miss Courage and the Eds too, still my favorite cartoons.



If there's any show that I think is going downhill it's gotta be Spongebob Squarepants. I can't bear the watch the show anymore because they've changed so much stuff. Spongebob just seems like an accident-prone idiot, Patrick is even more stupid than before, Mr. Krabs is just mean now, I don't even see Sandy anymore, Mrs. Puff is now a total wimp, and Gary talks waaay too much. If anything, they've kept Squidward mostly the same, and now these days he perfectly conveys my emotions for the show like he does for his neighbors: it's annoying, it's stupid, and I just hate it. It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.
This^ It's almost as dead a horse as FF. *Grabs stick*		2012-04-15 05:36:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

This^ It's almost as dead a horse as FF. *Grabs stick*

I haven't gotten this mad at a comment in a long, long time...

Of course there were always some good shows (I didn't think Chowder or Flapjack were bad at all; the target audiences are just so small), but the majority of them were pretty bad.

Edit: Yeah, I'm still angry.		2012-04-15 05:58:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.

According to the Uncyclopedia (a satirical wiki from Wikia), Nickelodeon isn't really called "Nickelodeon." It's called "Spongebob and iCarly Network." It even once had a TV schedule with 24 hours of Spongebob.

Another reason why Nickelodeon is trash isn't because it's almost only Spongebob and other live shows, but it's owned by a master company called Viacom, which was known for their lawsuits against YouTube.		2012-04-15 05:59:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I haven't gotten this mad at a comment in a long, long time...

Of course there were always some good shows (I didn't think Chowder or Flapjack were bad at all; the target audiences are just so small), but the majority of them were pretty bad.

Edit: Yeah, I'm still angry.

Wait, mad at me or what I was talking about? Not sure if should be running right now *Fear looks at Ration, Ration shakes head. Fear gulps.*		2012-04-15 06:52:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

Wait, mad at me or what I was talking about? Not sure if should be running right now *Fear looks at Ration, Ration shakes head. Fear gulps.*

Both......		2012-04-15 06:56:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Both......

I was agreeing with you though? You aren't a die heard FF fan are you?...		2012-04-15 07:08:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

I actually like Adventure Time. Now before you go all off on me, lemme just say that yes, some stuff in that show is a bit stupid. A tiny green elephant trying to seduce a tentacle monster, a 13-year-old falling in love with an 18-year-old gum humanoid, a guy who committed suicide by eating too much nacho cheese... I'll just stop there. But it's more so the backstory and character backgrounds that have me intrigued. Adventure Time takes place after Earth has a nuclear fallout, and the central characters, as whimsical as they may be, have pretty believable personalities. And some of the truth in the series is actually really dark compared to the other shows.

Never said I hated it. I just said I can understand why people would hate it. Some stuff on it is pretty ridiculous, but I look pass that and remember the stupid things Ed Edd N Eddy did and enjoy the show. But yes, Regular Show > Adventure Time.


If there's any show that I think is going downhill it's gotta be Spongebob Squarepants. I can't bear the watch the show anymore because they've changed so much stuff. Spongebob just seems like an accident-prone idiot, Patrick is even more stupid than before, Mr. Krabs is just mean now, I don't even see Sandy anymore, Mrs. Puff is now a total wimp, and Gary talks waaay too much. If anything, they've kept Squidward mostly the same, and now these days he perfectly conveys my emotions for the show like he does for his neighbors: it's annoying, it's stupid, and I just hate it. It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.

Oh wow, I just realize how depressing Spongebob's descent is:

• Patrick is no longer the 'smart' guy he used to be in Season 1 and 2
• Sandy used to be a smart chill person; now she's a crazy squirrel who's always made to look like an idiot
• producers are forced to dumb down their jokes now to reach the child demographic
• Spongebob went from an optimistic fry cook to an ADHD manchild with social problems

I just... wow.		2012-04-15 07:09:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

I was agreeing with you though? You aren't a die heard FF fan are you?...

... ok. Now when you mean FF, what exactly do you mean? Because that can apply for more than one thing around here.

@Cyber: It's surprising how much Spongebob has gone downhill now that we look back on it. I always mention it to my friends and they come to realize the same thing. I guess all good things come to an end, whether that's quickly or slowly.		2012-04-15 07:31:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

... ok. Now when you mean FF, what exactly do you mean? Because that can apply for more than one thing around here.


Final Fantasy... What did you think I was referring to?		2012-04-15 07:39:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

Final Fantasy... What did you think I was referring to?

Okay. It was a misunderstanding then. Sorry for scarin' yah. And, well... the other FF was the old name for the comic project I was involved in... the one I'm still writing.		2012-04-15 07:51:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Okay. It was a misunderstanding then. Sorry for scarin' yah.

More scared at the fact that I may have offended an acquaintance.

Something on topic to anti-derail the thread: Disney, no, did that, Nick? Yeah, them too. CN is said and gone... So how 'bout that Sci Fi Scy Fy eh?		2012-04-15 07:58:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

So how 'bout that Sci Fi Scy Fy eh?

Tbh, all I see on Scy Fy now these days are really weird monster movies. They don't even show Dr. Who that much anymore.		2012-04-15 08:16:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Tbh, all I see on Scy Fy now these days are really weird monster movies. They don't even show Dr. Who that much anymore.

I was referring to when they changed their name, for no apparent reason. Why make the i's into y's? It just baffles me... I haven't seen much on it that's even good other than that Face Off show recently (Though I was practically hugging the TV when a Twilight Zone marathon came on the other day). Monster Man looks ok, going by the first episode anyway.		2012-04-15 08:25:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

Here's what I know about these three channels:

Disney - used to be family friendly, but now it's made for little girls only. The shows on the Disney channel even have affected older style cartoons that aren't Disney (like the McDonald's characters).
Nickelodeon - too many live shows like iCarly. Spongebob has dominated the channel, and the newer shows suck.
Cartoon Network - in 2007-2009, they followed the path of Nick and Disney by airing their live action shows (like CN Real), and they air stupider shows with no creativity. Not only that, but they end shows too early.		2012-04-15 16:24:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I was referring to when they changed their name, for no apparent reason. Why make the i's into y's? It just baffles me... I haven't seen much on it that's even good other than that Face Off show recently (Though I was practically hugging the TV when a Twilight Zone marathon came on the other day). Monster Man looks ok, going by the first episode anyway.

Because they're hip and wanna mingle with the cool Big Bang Theory crowd! In all honesty, though, I hate Big Bang Theory; they're insulting almost every type of geek, nerd, or gamer on there (he's smart, edgy, and plays on an Alienware laptop? so nerdy! XD).

Also, anyone remember that show 3 inches?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8p--QBFAiQ

I swear, it was possibly the most retarded show to appear there. My friends, however, like to mess with me and bring it up in conversations once in a while.

Me: ...but Skyrim does kinds suck, you have to admit that. You get overpowered at lvl. 30.
Them: You know what would have made the game better? 3 inches.
Me: Really? It's useless. You can die from falling-
Them: Nope. Move the ground so you float for a second. 3 inches.
Me: You can't move the ground!
Them: 3 inches guy can.
Me: Well then Cole can zap his a** because you can't dodge lightning, it's impossible.
Them: Yeah, but he can move the lightning away from him. 3 inches.
Me: MOTHER*******ERS!

Yes, they say 3 inches at the end of their argument. It has become sort of a catchphrase to them now.

Their stupidity sometimes defies the laws of physics, but I enjoy it sometimes.		2012-04-15 18:47:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

Because they're hip and wanna mingle with the cool Big Bang Theory crowd! In all honesty, though, I hate Big Bang Theory; they're insulting almost every type of geek, nerd, or gamer on there (he's smart, edgy, and plays on an Alienware laptop? so nerdy! XD).
Yeah. While I like the jokes, I always felt that the characters are over-stereotyped. But again, what's a comedy series without over-stereotyped characters?		2012-04-15 20:15:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Did they cancel Ed, Edd 'n Eddy and Courage? But I saw these two yesterday. Along with Billy and Mandy, and Baboon and Weasel.2012-04-15 20:25:00

Author:
nysudyrgh
Posts: 5482

Did they cancel Ed, Edd 'n Eddy and Courage? But I saw these two yesterday. Along with Billy and Mandy, and Baboon and Weasel.

Cancel = stop production

They only show reruns now. Danny Antowhaeverhislastname is was actually considering extending Ed Edd N' Eddy for another season after CN asked for it, but CN changed its mind at the last second when the new president took over and replaced all the good shows with live action ones. From my understanding, this is how they went:

Ed Edd N' Eddy - movie released to finish the show; CN decided not to extend the series
Courage the Cowardly Dog - cancelled for unknown reasons; was considered a controversial show since it was for kids but was dark all the time, so it may have something to do with that, or producers just got uninterested
Chowder - cancelled for having a small audience (seasons 1-2 were godly, the rest were tryharding to win back people); CN wanted to make room for live action shows and those Canadian shows
Flapjack - cancelled for having a small audience; underrated as ******* because it wasn't advertised as much as Adventure Time or Regular Show; producers were getting uninterested at this point; CN wanted space for their live shows and Canadian cartoons
Squirrel Boy - cancelled for having a small audience; show went retarded after the first few episodes, so understandable

And I know this isn't a show, but:

Toonami - anime/game review block cancelled; CN wanted to make room for live action shows; CN's thought at the time was that Adult Swim and Toonami was the same thing, so it would be better to get rid of Toonami to save money; cost them too much to edit shows, acquiring rights to air the shows, and paying voice actors for the block

That's about it. All other pre-08 shows were merely stopped because they needed to end eventually. Billy and Mandy (great show IMO) was being milked so much that they even made a spin off movie revolving around a secondary character.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-21_jyYvyZxo/T16-fJ9X6oI/AAAAAAAADqI/HaJaKxYuxfg/s1600/themoreyouknow.jpg		2012-04-15 21:08:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

All TV died.2012-04-16 01:18:00

Author:
Undarivik
Posts: 442

Cancel = stop production

On Nickelodeon, once a show is no longer in production, it won't be aired again. Re-runs of cancelled shows on Nickelodeon are just as possible as a flying pig or a barking cat. I know Cartoon Network doesn't mind playing re-runs of ended shows, but they do it rarely. Nickelodeon rather air Spongebob all the time rather than focusing on the other shows. It's like conserving deer and rabbits over endangered animals.

We have talked about Cartoon Network a lot, but we haven't talked about Comedy Central yet.		2012-04-16 05:10:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

No one like MAD Magazine on CN? I like it 2012-04-16 15:05:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

Dexter - used to be great, now it's not so great. Last season was pretty poor by it's standards.

Channel 4 (uk) - nowadays it just seems to be full of rubbish. Used to have some decent shows on.		2012-04-16 15:29:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

The Walking Dead got pretty lame, and so did The Big Bang Theory since season 3. Now there isn't any show I really feel like watching except for Game of Thrones.2012-04-16 16:35:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Tbh, all I see on Scy Fy now these days are really weird monster movies. They don't even show Dr. Who that much anymore.

Before we got BBC America as one of the channels for TWC, Doctor Who was the only reason I watched the Sci fi, or "Sy Fy" channel or whatever it is now. That and some twilight zone episodes that would come on.

Also, Courage is definitely one of the coolest cartoons out there. It's dark tone simply worked, and it's something adults can enjoy watching too. Also, I remember playing this game based on the show on the CN site,. It had you in this egyptian tomb, avoiding mummies who 'd come out doors, and you'd go in some doors leading to funky colored levels with extra difficulty I think. I remember spending countless hours on the game, it was amazing.

Did anyone else used to play some of those online games for the cartoons? I'm not sure if they have the same quality or not though, but I really hope they fidn't take down that little game I'm referencing.


The Walking Dead got pretty lame, and so did The Big Bang Theory since season 3. Now there isn't any show I really feel like watching except for Game of Thrones.

I've heard a lot of great reviews for Game of Thrones, although I still haven 't watched it yet. I think I missed some parts for this season, but Fringe is an awesome show.

The Killing would also have to be one of my favorite shows on TV. Exciting story and superb acting. I hear that a lot of people are upset because of how season 1 ended and how it is now. :/ While I respect their opinion, I have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

I agree with Big Bang Theory though, it's run its course. Iliked some of the early stuff, but now its pretty meh.		2012-04-17 14:23:00

Author:
Dragonvarsity
Posts: 5208

Once Fox KidsToonami died, so did a bit all of kid's TV.

One of the guys who works at Adult Swim said on twitter that Toonami was cancelled because of internal reasons. (most likely a new d-bag boss)


The following day, Adult Swim posted a message to their Twitter page, simply stating, "Want it back? Let us know. #BringBackToonami".[18] On April 4, Adult Swim followed up this tweet with one stating, "#BringBackToonami We've heard you. Thank you for your passion and interest - stay tuned."[19] On April 8, Adult Swim aired 2 bumpers about the Toonami tweets and answered with "[we're listening]" and "[we're looking into it]".[20]

Everyone saying Adventure Time is terrible and Regular Show is great has terrible taste and cant be trusted to judge quality. 		2012-04-17 15:48:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

One of the guys who works at Adult Swim said on twitter that Toonami was cancelled because of internal reasons. (most likely a new d-bag boss)


The following day, Adult Swim posted a message to their Twitter page, simply stating, "Want it back? Let us know. #BringBackToonami".[18] On April 4, Adult Swim followed up this tweet with one stating, "#BringBackToonami We've heard you. Thank you for your passion and interest - stay tuned."[19] On April 8, Adult Swim aired 2 bumpers about the Toonami tweets and answered with "[we're listening]" and "[we're looking into it]".[20]

And everybody went crazy over it. Streams were made to bring the broadcast to people without the channel, and it was rather enjoyable while it lasted (had fun with them too). Still, CN's president is pants-on-head retarded and knows that the Toonami demographic is a small minority compared to the current CN demographic, so chances look slim.


Everyone saying Adventure Time is terrible and Regular Show is great has terrible taste and cant be trusted to judge quality.

Of all people to say that, I would have expected you the least, Bremnen. How disappointing.		2012-04-17 17:46:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

I remember Toonami, but when it was on I didn't watch it. I usually was watching some of the old Nick shows. What'd I miss? 2012-04-17 22:51:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

Re-runs of cancelled shows on Nickelodeon are just as possible as a flying pig or a barking cat. I know Cartoon Network doesn't mind playing re-runs of ended shows, but they do it rarely. Nickelodeon rather air Spongebob all the time rather than focusing on the other shows. It's like conserving deer and rabbits over endangered animals.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3gzee1cps
I'm sorry I couldn't resist 		2012-04-18 00:50:00

Author:
sackboy7789
Posts: 280

I'm sorry I couldn't resist

It means once a show is cancelled on Nick, no re-runs will air. And I think I saw that video. Don't clap your hands backwards or fly a kite on Wednesday, otherwise you can see this happening in real life.		2012-04-18 02:48:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I remember Toonami, but when it was on I didn't watch it. I usually was watching some of the old Nick shows. What'd I miss?

Your childhood.		2012-04-18 02:56:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

Welp...

Spongebob: I remember when the show was actually very funny. Now? Every new episode sems to torture Squidward.

Nickelodean: Spongebob and iCarly. Everyday. Forever.

Cartoon Network: Well, duh. It's the CARTOON network, not the LIVE ACTION network. Also, Adventure Time creeps the hell outta me.

History:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utDHcbiOfKY&feature=plcp&context=C4a5210aVDvjVQa1PpcFPxswKTbEBHpbAtsrGxSY80 RHju-xBEVb4%3D




Replace "Pawn Stars" with "Ice Road Truckers" and there I am.*

MTV: I've never really watched it, but I hear it was about music. It was.

Top Gear UK: Before, it was a funny show about cars. Now they try to make European cars look superior.

As an example, they compared this:

http://www.rpmgo.com/images2009/2010-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS_opt.jpg

Chevrolet Camaro SS: $35,000 Specs: 0-60-5.5 seconds: 426 hp

Against this:

http://forportal.ru/uploads/thumbs/1269549995_01mbe63amgreview2010opt.jpg

Mercedes Benz E63 AMG : $88,000 Specs: 0-60-4.1 Seconds: 518 hp

And they chose the M-B, even though it was "a bit" more expensive.

Of course.



*History: I actually like Pawn Stars, American Pickers, etc. because those shows can teach you about historic items. IRT? DON'T THINK SO.		2012-04-18 23:34:00

Author:
alex-10798
Posts: 23

What happened to this patrick in Spongebob?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7-5dc5O5E

:kz:		2012-04-19 00:44:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

Top Gear UK: Before, it was a funny show about cars. Now they try to make European cars look superior.

As an example, they compared this:

http://www.rpmgo.com/images2009/2010-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS_opt.jpg

Chevrolet Camaro SS: $35,000 Specs: 0-60-5.5 seconds: 426 hp

Against this:

http://forportal.ru/uploads/thumbs/1269549995_01mbe63amgreview2010opt.jpg

Mercedes Benz E63 AMG : $88,000 Specs: 0-60-4.1 Seconds: 518 hp

And they chose the M-B, even though it was "a bit" more expensive.

Of course.

Top Gear is English, of course they're going to say European cars are better, because the presenters have grown up around them. No doubt you get offended when Clarkson makes a joke about fat Americans or roads in America having no corners? Seriously, they take the p*ss out of everything, everywhere and everyone. Yeah, that Camaro is kinda awesome looking. But how do you know if it feels better to drive unless you've driven both? And the Mercedes, although it doesn't have as much HP, it's faster, would feel less plastic-y/less likely to fall apart and is probably more comfortable to drive as well.		2012-04-19 21:23:00

Author:
abyssalassassin
Posts: 717

I don't know of any show or channel that isn't going down hill....2012-04-19 21:28:00

Author:
Megaboy93
Posts: 77

Top Gear is English, of course they're going to say European cars are better, because the presenters have grown up around them...But how do you know if it feels better to drive unless you've driven both? And the Mercedes, although it doesn't have as much HP, it's faster, would feel less plastic-y/less likely to fall apart and is probably more comfortable to drive as well.

What I meant was that there's a $53,000 difference between the two cars. Of course the Mercedes is built better, it was designed to take on Premium Luxury cars costing $80-100,000. The Camaro was built to take on other Pony & Muscle cars in the $20-40,000 range.

It's like comparing Apples to Oranges.


No doubt you get offended when Clarkson makes a joke about fat Americans or roads in America having no corners?

I don't, because that's Clarkson. If he didn't do that, something's wrong. In fact, when he reviews a car, expect silliness (Ascari vs. Daihatsu, anyone?). The example review was done by Hammond, who is normally more serious.

That's my reasoning behind that. TGUK isn't the worst offender on the list, by far. I just think that the show isn't as good as it was.

Now, can we get back to shows/channels circling the drain?		2012-04-19 22:47:00

Author:
alex-10798
Posts: 23

I always used to watch NickToons, and then they started getting rid of good shows for effectively trial runs of others. Shows they hyped up but only made about 3 episodes of (I clearly remember one about a girl scout (is what what Americans call them?) trying to get a bunch of badges for her sash and doing stupid things to do so, among others). Due to the lack of episodes, they got repetitive stupidly quickly, then just died out. Then it happened again, and again. This is when things started to go downhill for that channel.2012-04-20 15:45:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

Yu-Gi-Oh ! Nuff Said

I just think, It's gone really far and gotten really wierd, I mean dueling on Motorcycles ! :O
Do they not think about there safety ?? 		2012-04-20 18:54:00

Author:
Conorp55
Posts: 81

Yu-Gi-Oh ! Nuff Said

I just think, It's gone really far and gotten really wierd, I mean dueling on Motorcycles ! :O
Do they not think about there safety ??

You aware there's a new series called 'ZEXAL'? It's even worse ._.		2012-04-23 08:30:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

You aware there's a new series called 'ZEXAL'? It's even worse ._.

Wow, I didn't even know about that !

Let's Check it out, worse than 5'ds, not surprised ! 		2012-04-23 11:06:00

Author:
Conorp55
Posts: 81

So im going through the schedule of NickToons, and guess whats on the majority of the day?!

Winx Club!

LIKE WTF? You think that 13-16 year olds want to watch a 6 year old fairy show? Get it together, Nick. Spongebob is better than that.		2012-04-23 15:15:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

So im going through the schedule of NickToons, and guess whats on the majority of the day?!

Winx Club!

LIKE WTF? You think that 13-16 year olds want to watch a 6 year old fairy show? Get it together, Nick. Spongebob is better than that.

Same could be said about 13+ year olds wanting to watch a children's pony show. They'll still find a demographic that'll be willing to watch any show.		2012-04-23 22:48:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

In defense of Nickelodeon, Legend of Korra has started airing on it and so far it's been pretty good; though it is the sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender, which was awesome (awful live-action movie adaptation aside). On the otherhand, those are literally the only two shows I've watched on that network in years...

Haven't really bothered with Cartoon Network in a long time either; the last memorable shows I remember from it were Venture Brothers and Morel Oral, both of which were hilariously dark in content. I hear some good things about the new Young Justice cartoon and the Thundercats reboot but I honestly can't muster up the enthusasm to check them out.

The Daily Show and the Colbert Report are the only shows I watch with regularity on Comedy Central, lost interest in South Park about two seasons ago and every other show exclusive to that network just seem to transient to even capture my interest at all.

And I honestly have no idea what happened to the History Channel and the Sci - I mean, SYFY. I guess when you start treating Trucking reality TV like a history lesson and Professional Wrestling like science fiction the floodgates just open wide.		2012-04-27 03:19:00

Author:
Dapiek Absaroka
Posts: 512

Not really a kids show, but The Office has had a huge turn since Michael left. If you don't watch The Office, Michael was a character played by Steve Carrell. He was the manager of the office, but left the show last year. I used to crack up at that show everytime, but now that Michael is gone, I have a feeling we can expect it to be cancelled soon.2012-04-27 19:04:00

Author:
gasvia
Posts: 12

Just thinking about what CyberSora said about the shows on CN, all I know about CN is that Canadian shows and live action shows taken over the network. Here's what I have to say:

Live action shows - yeah, most shows are live-animated. They are good, but Cartoon Network is Cartoon Network, not Live Action Network.
Canadian shows - nothing good really comes from Canada. The Canadian cartoons were good for Canada, Britain, and Australia, but not for America.
Other shows - most of these shows are bad for CN too. I know the older shows had a lot of fans, but when I read opinions on the other shows, there were a lot of haters and criticism.		2012-05-05 22:56:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

In defense of Nickelodeon, Legend of Korra has started airing on it and so far it's been pretty good; though it is the sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender, which was awesome (awful live-action movie adaptation aside). On the otherhand, those are literally the only two shows I've watched on that network in years...

I loved Legend of Avatar, but I swear they had no idea what they were doing and were incapable of showing the episodes in order, so I ended up seeing the same ones over and over and not knowing the proper story. I had no idea there was a sequel though.		2012-05-06 10:02:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

Now, when I compare these shows to others like Johnny Test, Total Drama Island and the new Ben 10, I think they're lightyears ahead.

I should've asked you a long time ago, but what do you have against Total Drama Island?		2012-05-17 23:12:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I should've asked you a long time ago, but what do you have against Total Drama Island?
Overdone to death. Wouldn't be surprised if they made Total Drama Space		2012-05-17 23:54:00

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gdn001
Posts: 5891

Overdone to death. Wouldn't be surprised if they made Total Drama Space

I kinda agree on this. Total Drama Island has gone downhill at a faster rate than South Park has. TDI was the classic, but even that season wasn't perfect. TDA has destroyed the show, and TDWT is only about music. I bet TDROTI would be just as bad as TDWT or worse.		2012-05-18 00:14:00

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Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Fringe. I've watched all four seasons up to episode 18 or something. They're almost done with the season and I can't even be bothered to check it out.2012-05-21 17:41:00

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BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

I kinda agree on this. Total Drama Island has gone downhill at a faster rate than South Park has. TDI was the classic, but even that season wasn't perfect. TDA has destroyed the show, and TDWT is only about music. I bet TDROTI would be just as bad as TDWT or worse.

How has South Park gone downhill?		2012-05-21 18:52:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

How has South Park gone downhill?

Long story, but for a simplification, Season 14 was not a good season. The censorship of 201 (a south park episode) and the whole Coon Saga from the second half (as well as the other second half episodes of season 14) made Season 14 the most disappointing season. Season 15 hasn't recovered the show. However, Season 16 has helped South Park recover from the bad days, but the audience is shrinking. I personally think Season 1 is the best because I like the classics more, but Season 16 was better than the past four seasons so far.		2012-05-21 19:00:00

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Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Long story, but for a simplification, Season 14 was not a good season. The censorship of 201 (a south park episode) and the whole Coon Saga from the second half (as well as the other second half episodes of season 14) made Season 14 the most disappointing season. Season 15 hasn't recovered the show. However, Season 16 has helped South Park recover from the bad days, but the audience is shrinking. I personally think Season 1 is the best because I like the classics more, but Season 16 was better than the past four seasons so far.

i liked the coon saga.. 		2012-05-21 20:12:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

i liked the coon saga..

A lot of those "liberals" from South Park Studios forums hated it. In fact, according to IGN, the first episode scored a 6.0/10.0. I read from other forums about what they think of South Park from the past two seasons. They quit because of how Seasons 14 and 15 went. I don't even like the past two seasons (except for the iPad episode, the Facebook episode, and City Sushi).

Another interesting fact is that I'd prefer the episodes from the first half of each season over the second half, normally. Seasons 7, 9, 10, and 12 are some exceptions.		2012-05-21 20:19:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

South Park has been pretty weak recently but I think that the current season (16?) is so much better. Zipline!2012-05-21 21:23:00

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PGdafrog
Posts: 277

2 shows. Pokemon. And Yu-Gi-Oh! 2 shows that either got worse or dissapeared. How could you hate Regular Show? It awesome! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOo! And the "guy with a gumball head is benson"2012-05-21 21:37:00

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SuperROBO1
Posts: 358

2 shows. Pokemon. And Yu-Gi-Oh! 2 shows that either got worse or dissapeared

Well since both of them are still around, I'm going to ask why you think they got worse		2012-05-21 22:54:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Yu gi oh isnt around! It ended like 2003. And pokemon has gotten worse with cheesy tournaments and new people... I wish it would go back go the
Johto region..		2012-05-21 23:03:00

Author:
SuperROBO1
Posts: 358

Yu gi oh isnt around! It ended like 2003. And pokemon has gotten worse with cheesy tournaments and new people... I wish it would go back go the
Johto region..

Yu-gi-oh! Series that started in April 2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_Zexal)

The Johto region sucked Dx Unova is much better		2012-05-21 23:05:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Yu-gi-oh! Series that started in April 2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_Zexal)

The Johto region sucked Dx Unova is much better

I'm a veteran to the Kanto region. The first generation of Pokemon was good, but the later generations become more unoriginal or strange. Turtwig looks like a green Squirtle. Minum and Pulse look like Pichus, as Pichu was stemmed off of Pikachu. I don't know what to say, but the first 151 Pokemon were the only ones I would use if I fight.		2012-05-22 02:26:00

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Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I'm a veteran to the Kanto region. The first generation of Pokemon was good, but the later generations become more unoriginal or strange. Turtwig looks like a green Squirtle. Minum and Pulse look like Pichus, as Pichu was stemmed off of Pikachu. I don't know what to say, but the first 151 Pokemon were the only ones I would use if I fight.

I'm a veteran but you'd be stupid to limit yourself to the original 151 based on how they look, some of the Pokemon (ie Slaking) are incredibly powerful		2012-05-22 09:34:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Pokemon has always been at least a bit boring, with the same overarching plot of getting sidetracked way too often to promote each and every single pokemon of the region until finally getting to a gym leader, so they can learn the same lesson they've learned a thousand times before. I've only watched a couple of episodes of Black and White. Ash's new friends lack the character Misty and Brock brought to make the show bearable. I always loved seeing how Jessie, James and Meowth were handling things, as they were the highlight of the show back in the earlier seasons.

But it's good to see Jessie and James actually achieve something, and well, you know, improve from before. I agree that Kanto pokemon aren't perfect, but when watching a few Johto episodes, I got so annoyed since if felt like they'd never make it to the first gym leader. That's just a few opinions of mine, after re-watching some episodes, although I'm sure other people could explain things better, watching a lot more episodes than I have, much more recently.

Avatar: The Last Airbender is a great show imo. I remember watching it a while back, but I only watched some random episodes, just ones that came on TV. Only recently did I start watching it, and I just finushed the first season, and it's awesome. Yes, they get sidetracked, but in a good way, not like how Ash and friends gets sidetracked. The stories are interesting, as are the characters, and some episodes help build the overall story. There are just so many great episodes in Season 1 alone, and by the time the season's over, you feel for Zoko and his uncle, and while you don't want then to capture the Avatar, you'd like for them to win as well, or at least, that's how I felt

Shows like that are just so much smarter than a lot of cartoons I've seen, yet it fits in some hilarious jokes and faces throughout, without trying to seem too dumb downed like a lot of shows. I tried watching Adventure Time and Regular Show, but I couldn't. I respect people's opinions, but I disagree when people relate it to old shows. I just didn't enjoy it, and thought older shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog are far more enjoyable.

P.S. Once I'm done with Avatar, I guess I'll be moving onto The Legend of Korra. Anyone here watching that and if so, how is it?		2012-05-22 16:46:00

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Dragonvarsity
Posts: 5208

Pokemon has always been at least a bit boring, with the same overarching plot of getting sidetracked way too often to promote each and every single pokemon of the region until finally getting to a gym leader, so they can learn the same lesson they've learned a thousand times before. I've only watched a couple of episodes of Black and White. Ash's new friends lack the character Misty and Brock brought to make the show bearable. I always loved seeing how Jessie, James and Meowth were handling things, as they were the highlight of the show back in the earlier seasons.

But it's good to see Jessie and James actually achieve something, and well, you know, improve from before. I agree that Kanto pokemon aren't perfect, but when watching a few Johto episodes, I got so annoyed since if felt like they'd never make it to the first gym leader. That's just a few opinions of mine, after re-watching some episodes, although I'm sure other people could explain things better, watching a lot more episodes than I have, much more recently.

Avatar: The Last Airbender is a great show imo. I remember watching it a while back, but I only watched some random episodes, just ones that came on TV. Only recently did I start watching it, and I just finushed the first season, and it's awesome. Yes, they get sidetracked, but in a good way, not like how Ash and friends gets sidetracked. The stories are interesting, as are the characters, and some episodes help build the overall story. There are just so many great episodes in Season 1 alone, and by the time the season's over, you feel for Zoko and his uncle, and while you don't want then to capture the Avatar, you'd like for them to win as well, or at least, that's how I felt

Shows like that are just so much smarter than a lot of cartoons I've seen, yet it fits in some hilarious jokes and faces throughout, without trying to seem too dumb downed like a lot of shows. I tried watching Adventure Time and Regular Show, but I couldn't. I respect people's opinions, but I disagree when people relate it to old shows. I just didn't enjoy it, and thought older shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog are far more enjoyable.

P.S. Once I'm done with Avatar, I guess I'll be moving onto The Legend of Korra. Anyone here watching that and if so, how is it?

I rarely watched the recent "Pokemon" TV shows and I agree with you about Team Rocket. They did something completely different in Black and White other than try to catch Pikachu, keep on bumping into Ash and the gang, and using the same old motto. I actually thought the Black and White seasons are much better to watch than the Ruby and Sapphire seasons and the Diamond and Pearl ones, but I do agree that Iris and Cilan aren't quite as interesting as Misty and Brock. However, it's still fun to watch the battles, but it's better to experience it in the handheld games.

As for "Avatar: The Last Airbender", it's a great show but I disagree with you about the other two seasons. I think all three books are equally great because of the maturity of the characters throughout the story, great animation, and the continuous freshness of the epic series. Even "The Legend of Korra" keeps those great formulas, because, well, it's "The Last Airbender". By the way, about the question at the last paragraph... YES. I highly recommend "The Legend of Korra".

Also, I do agree on some people in this thread that Cartoon Network went way too far when they air awful live action shows and some cartoons that are not as fresh as they were back in good old days. However, "Adventure Time" , "Regular Show", the "Total Drama" series, "Young Justice", the remake of "Thundercats", and "The Amazing World of Gumball" manages to keep this once great channel still watchable, while "The Looney Tunes Show", "Star Wars: The Clone Wars", and "Pokemon" are decent to watch. Plus, Cartoon Network is currently airing the good old cartoons every Friday night as part of their 20th anniversary. In the Adult Swim category I only watch the anime ones, but if anyone notices in one the the General Media threads, Toonami's coming back. This shows me that Cartoon Network is starting to improve, but I do hope it goes back to it's former glory by just airing cartoons and cartoons that are fresh as "Courage The Cowardly Dog", "Samurai Jack", and "Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends". You know who else likes to see Cartoon Network go back to it's original freshness? MY MOM! Yes, I did a pretty good Muscle Man impression .		2012-05-22 18:47:00

Author:
JustinArt
Posts: 1314

I, personally, liked the Hoenn Reigon of Pokemon and the pokemon it provided, thought it was exciting. I like the combo of May and brock, that was pretty good.2012-05-23 05:19:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

Shows going downhill? I wished that MLP would finally go downhill.

Why? It spawned a giant community of p****rt freaks. D:		2012-05-24 06:38:00

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Woutery
Posts: 793

Shows going downhill? I wished that MLP would finally go downhill.

Why? It spawned a giant community of p****rt freaks. D:

I'm not sure what that censor is meant to be, but who are you to judge them?		2012-05-24 07:30:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

i'm censoring it because i think it needs to be censored. Well, maybe perv won't need to be censored?

Seriously, some things they do are WRONG (i mean clopping, wich is something censored so i wont tell, it is the p****rt thing and cupcakes, a wrong and extremely disturbing fanfic)		2012-05-24 11:41:00

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Woutery
Posts: 793

i'm censoring it because i think it needs to be censored. Well, maybe perv won't need to be censored?

Seriously, some things they do are WRONG (i mean clopping, wich is something censored so i wont tell, it is the p****rt thing and cupcakes, a wrong and extremely disturbing fanfic)

You're basing your entire opinion of a fan base based off 1 persons gory fan fic and the fact that some people clop. I'm a Brony and I don't clop, and I certainly didn't enjoy the cupcakes fan fic.

So what am I?

Just by searching very simple thing i can find gory fan fictions from almost ANY show, but does that make all the children who watched Cardcaptor Sakura gore addicts? No.		2012-05-24 11:45:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

i'm censoring it because i think it needs to be censored. Well, maybe perv won't need to be censored?

Seriously, some things they do are WRONG (i mean clopping, wich is something censored so i wont tell, it is the p****rt thing and cupcakes, a wrong and extremely disturbing fanfic)

Rule 34 if it exists there's porn of it.

Every fandom has its extreme members and they should never be considered representitive of the entire fanbase.

If you're not seeking out the perverted content there should be very little chance of encountering it.		2012-05-24 11:56:00

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Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Rule 34 if it exists there's porn of it.

Every fandom has its extreme members and they should never be considered representitive of the entire fanbase.

If you're not seeking out the perverted content there should be very little chance of encountering it.

What has probably happened is he's decided he hates Bronies for some reason, then gone and searched for that stuff to justify his own fear.		2012-05-24 12:05:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

i liked the coon saga..

I did too. I thought that one pretty funny. Not one of their best, but still pretty good.


A lot of those "liberals" from South Park Studios forums hated it. In fact, according to IGN, the first episode scored a 6.0/10.0. I read from other forums about what they think of South Park from the past two seasons.

I never worry about what anyone else thinks about what I like. Especially when they have rating systems and get paid for rating them. I can't count the times movie critics love a movie that I can't stand or ones they rate as the worst movies of all times are some of my favorites.

...all a matter of taste. If you like something great, if not... oh well.		2012-05-24 12:49:00

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jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I did too. I thought that one pretty funny. Not one of their best, but still pretty good.



I never worry about what anyone else thinks about what I like. Especially when they have rating systems and get paid for rating them. I can't count the times movie critics love a movie that I can't stand or ones they rate as the worst movies of all times are some of my favorites.

...all a matter of taste. If you like something great, if not... oh well.

You're right! Although I don't like the coon saga, a rating of 6.0 doesn't nesescarily mean it's a bad episode, but it's mediocre. It's like not giving a rating on a level. And there are at least some people who do approve, albeit bringing the ratings down. This is a clue to show how South Park is going downhill, but this isn't the worst they ever done.		2012-05-25 06:29:00

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Apple2012
Posts: 1408

You're right! Although I don't like the coon saga, a rating of 6.0 doesn't nesescarily mean it's a bad episode, but it's mediocre. It's like not giving a rating on a level. And there are at least some people who do approve, albeit bringing the ratings down. This is a clue to show how South Park is going downhill, but this isn't the worst they ever done.

No... I think it's a clue to how you just didn't get what I said. 		2012-05-25 13:32:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

No... I think it's a clue to how you just didn't get what I said.

So I was wrong the whole time (maybe). I was only judging based on the opinions by the users on South Park Studios forums. I was picking up opinions from them to find the average opinion from the users. SP Studios forums aren't the only fanbase with the opinions about each episode. I should probably go to other forums about Seasons 14 and 15. It's true they were disappointing, but I was only judging by the SP Studios.

By the way, I stopped reading the forums on South Park Studios. I may no longer analyze the popularity of the show from that website.		2012-05-25 18:19:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

So I was wrong the whole time (maybe).

lol... you have a knack for over analyzing.

What I have been saying is I don't really care about what any group of people feel about something that I liked. I don't go looking for what others think if I like something or dislike something. ...and no matter if something is a this rating or that rating, it doesn't sway my personal opinion. If I like it.. I like it. If I don't, I don't.		2012-05-26 00:03:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Shows going downhill? I wished that MLP would finally go downhill.

Why? It spawned a giant community of p****rt freaks. D:

It's not about shows you want to go downhill; it's about shows you think are going downhill. But I see your point here.		2012-06-11 18:44:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

It's not about shows you want to go downhill; it's about shows you think are going downhill. But I see your point here.

His point which is completely untrue.		2012-06-11 22:34:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I have to say this: Not only I respect all of your opinions on what you say about Cartoon Network, but I like them. You guys made some really good points on how Cartoon Network is a few years ago and today. Same for Nickelodeon and Spongebob. Although, I know why Spongebob is going downhill: Stephen Hillenburg, the creator of Spongebob, has left the show. He put Derek Drymon in charge. With the new writers and new supervisor, the show has changed into something we wouldn't bear watching. New episodes are bad, Nickelodeon only airs Spongebob, and Cartoon Network has turned into a channel that is accepting live action shows and imports from other channels.2012-06-15 21:49:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I have to say this: Not only I respect all of your opinions on what you say about Cartoon Network, but I like them. You guys made some really good points on how Cartoon Network is a few years ago and today. Same for Nickelodeon and Spongebob. Although, I know why Spongebob is going downhill: Stephen Hillenburg, the creator of Spongebob, has left the show. He put Derek Drymon in charge. With the new writers and new supervisor, the show has changed into something we wouldn't bear watching. New episodes are bad, Nickelodeon only airs Spongebob, and Cartoon Network has turned into a channel that is accepting live action shows and imports from other channels.

I respect with those opinions as well. It seemed like Cartoon Network is the major point of this thread, because many of you complained about how they air live action shows and some cartoons that are really lame.But like what I said earlier, CN is still watchable because of some great shows like "Adventure Time" and "Regular Show". As in Nickelodeon, I agree that "Spongebob Squarepants" has been airing on Nick way too much, but don't forget that there's still "The Legend of Korra". I really do enjoy "Spongebob" in its first few seasons, but recently it's not as original as it used to be.

However, there's a new things I don't like about CN. I heard on ign.com that the "ThunderCats" reboot may get canceled, and it's mostly because of the lack of advertisements and it's currently air on Saturdays instead of Fridays. I really admire its story, characters and animation, but I don't get why it's on the endangered list. It could suffer the same fate as "Syn-Bionic Titan" ,made by the same guy behind "Dexter's Laboratory" and "Samurai Jack", but at least it's not 100% sure about "ThunderCats". Good thing there's still "Young Justice" on the action-packed cartoons on CN, but I don't get why many of these kinds of cartoons no longer gets modern kids' attention.

By the way, Apple2012, I'm 60% agree with you about the "Total Drama" series. TDI made the series the best of modern Canadian cartoons, because I somehow liked the idea of this cartoon being a reality show, while TDA is good but not great. As in TDWT, it would have been a great season if it wasn't for the bad musical parts, so instead it's a decent season. "Total Drama: Revenge of the Island", on the other hand, has improved over both TDA and TDWT. Not only does it go back to where it all began, but the thirteen new contestants, like the multi-personality Mike, the aura-seeing Dawn, and the military school cadet Brick, are better than I expected. I thought TDRI is going to kill the series after seeing it's first few commercials, but I was wrong. I guess adds can sometimes be very deceiving just like "Regular Show" and "Total Drama Island" when they started the commercials. I prefer the original contestants like Gwen, Owen, Duncan, Heather, Izzy and Harold, but TDRI, in my opinion, is between TDI and TDA ( so far, there's only two episodes, but I'm sure it'll be fine in the rest of the episodes).		2012-06-16 19:18:00

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By the way, Apple2012, I'm 60% agree with you about the "Total Drama" series. TDI made the series the best of modern Canadian cartoons, because I somehow liked the idea of this cartoon being a reality show, while TDA is good but not great. As in TDWT, it would have been a great season if it wasn't for the bad musical parts, so instead it's a decent season. "Total Drama: Revenge of the Island", on the other hand, has improved over both TDA and TDWT. Not only does it go back to where it all began, but the thirteen new contestants, like the multi-personality Mike, the aura-seeing Dawn, and the military school cadet Brick, are better than I expected. I thought TDRI is going to kill the series after seeing it's first few commercials, but I was wrong. I guess adds can sometimes be very deceiving just like "Regular Show" and "Total Drama Island" when they started the commercials. I prefer the original contestants like Gwen, Owen, Duncan, Heather, Izzy and Harold, but TDRI, in my opinion, is between TDI and TDA ( so far, there's only two episodes, but I'm sure it'll be fine in the rest of the episodes).

The one reason why Total Drama Island is bad for Cartoon Network is because of one of their characters (Courtney). This character is hot-tempered and sue-happy. Courtney from TDI is worse than a lot of animated characters (even Cartman). Cartoon Network would have been better without this charater. Another problem I find with her is she's too popular by the fans, but she got a lot of haters too.		2012-06-16 19:31:00

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Apple2012
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Unconventional, obnoxious, unlikable characters are used to end the pattern of relatable, good-natured, likable characters, and are also used to create difficult situations, to advance the narrative, and/or to just plain ol' differ from everyone else. A show where everyone is kind and respectful with no conflict just wouldn't workout too well. I haven't seen too many episodes from the new Total Drama, but I feel they just can't compare to the previous characters.2012-06-17 08:14:00

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Ironface
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Unconventional, obnoxious, unlikable characters are used to end the pattern of relatable, good-natured, likable characters, and are also used to create difficult situations, to advance the narrative, and/or to just plain ol' differ from everyone else. A show where everyone is kind and respectful with no conflict just wouldn't workout too well. I haven't seen too many episodes from the new Total Drama, but I feel they just can't compare to the previous characters.

I see your point, so I don't really get it why people are abandoning the show just because of one character. I can understand the whole Courtney thing, but it's still rediculous. I looked at a poll on Fanpop, and according to the poll, Total Drama Action was the most hated season of the entire show. Courtney had too much screen time (and she's being very mean and rude), other characters have been destroyed, and the show has lost creativity with this season. Most shows are okay to have the same characters from season to season, but Total Drama Island is an example of one show that is better if the previous cast is dropped out as a new cast is introduced. I'm glad Courtney's gone as of TDROTI, but the show is still on the same location it was a long time ago. Whatever you say actually is true drama, but Courtney seems to be too much.		2012-06-17 21:03:00

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Apple2012
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I know this isn't really about TV shows going downhill, but I can't find any other TV show thread recently posted in. I just watched the season finale to 'The Killing'. Season 1 is on Netflix, so people should definitely give it the time to watch. It's slow paced, but it really is good, and the final episode for Season 2 is one of my favorite TV show endings, it really is good. I know people have dissed it for not wrapping everything up at the end of Season 1, but we're all entitled to our own opinion. It's all been wrapped up now, and nicely too. I was fine with it when they decided to go for a second season, and all the messages they conveyed in the finale tonight, it's great. Not everything was touched upon all over again maybe, but it did bring up a lot of the real important things, and some minor details as well, and I just found that it was a great way to end things, what with the interesting story told, amazing setting represented, and some of the best acting seen on television.

As far as other murder mysteries go, I don't really watch that much CSI or Law & Order, but I remember seeing some of 'Bones' and 'Castle', both shows that, like CSI and Law & Order, did a different case each episode. Sadly, they both ended up in the same route, the gutter. I haven't seen Bones recently, but of what I did see, it wasn't that great imo. I'm not saying it has to give off a dark vibe like with The Killing, comedy is completely fine on all kinds of levels, yet I think both shows have become less interesting, and just plain goofy, in a bad way. The crimes aren't as interesting and the partnerships are less memorable, and more annoying.

I still enjoy watching Psych time to time, although I will admit, it isn't always at it's best, and that's fine, as it still manages to bring in plenty of funny moments, making it far more enjoyable than shows such as 'Castle' imo. I know this is kind of random, but I kind of liked it how, early on in the show, there were more signs of Shaun's attention to detail, while now the things he spot seems a bit more obvious. I don't know, maybe that's just me, but I liked it more when he spotted the more obscure things, it just was a small detail I thought was always cool to throw in. Psych is full of great 'small details' though, such as when they used to hide a pineapple in each and every episode, even if it wasn't in the exact same form all the time. I'm not sure if they still do that though.		2012-06-18 04:01:00

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I see your point, so I don't really get it why people are abandoning the show just because of one character. I can understand the whole Courtney thing, but it's still rediculous. I looked at a poll on Fanpop, and according to the poll, Total Drama Action was the most hated season of the entire show. Courtney had too much screen time (and she's being very mean and rude), other characters have been destroyed, and the show has lost creativity with this season. Most shows are okay to have the same characters from season to season, but Total Drama Island is an example of one show that is better if the previous cast is dropped out as a new cast is introduced. I'm glad Courtney's gone as of TDROTI, but the show is still on the same location it was a long time ago. Whatever you say actually is true drama, but Courtney seems to be too much.

Yeah somewhere down the line she made the transition from tolerable to insufferable - she used to be about the music, she's changed.

And as for crime shows, sir Dragon, I for one will keep an eye out for The Killing, and I agree - Bones and Castle have gone downhill, but the only reason why I feel this is so (and can apply to many current shows) is because they moved into sentimental feelings territory. Stick to the death, and the morbidity, I say!

I thought Dexter was fantastic, and it never went downhill, but in my humble opinion, you can never top the first season.		2012-06-18 12:52:00

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Ironface
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Yeah somewhere down the line she made the transition from tolerable to insufferable - she used to be about the music, she's changed.

And as for crime shows, sir Dragon, I for one will keep an eye out for The Killing, and I agree - Bones and Castle have gone downhill, but the only reason why I feel this is so (and can apply to many current shows) is because they moved into sentimental feelings territory. Stick to the death, and the morbidity, I say!

I thought Dexter was fantastic, and it never went downhill, but in my humble opinion, you can never top the first season.

Thanks for considering it. It might start out pretty slow at first, but once you get into it some more, it can get real interesting, despite still maintaining a slower pace than certain shows, as, while most crime shows solve mysteries every episode, this one does it over the span of 2 seasons, and although that might sound boring to some, it also ties in a lot of other things going on, especially during the second season.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with friendships/relationships on TV, as long as it's done right, and doesn't get in the way of the crime, although it usually does. The relationships in Castle and Bones for example, have been dragged out to the point where, for anyone who wanted them to be together at the end, has probably gotten real annoyed along with everyone else, and doesn't care anymore. Also, I've heard some great things about Dexter, but never got around to watching it, might have to watch it some time.		2012-06-18 13:02:00

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The one reason why Total Drama Island is bad for Cartoon Network is because of one of their characters (Courtney). This character is hot-tempered and sue-happy. Courtney from TDI is worse than a lot of animated characters (even Cartman). Cartoon Network would have been better without this charater. Another problem I find with her is she's too popular by the fans, but she got a lot of haters too.


I see your point, so I don't really get it why people are abandoning the show just because of one character. I can understand the whole Courtney thing, but it's still rediculous. I looked at a poll on Fanpop, and according to the poll, Total Drama Action was the most hated season of the entire show. Courtney had too much screen time (and she's being very mean and rude), other characters have been destroyed, and the show has lost creativity with this season. Most shows are okay to have the same characters from season to season, but Total Drama Island is an example of one show that is better if the previous cast is dropped out as a new cast is introduced. I'm glad Courtney's gone as of TDROTI, but the show is still on the same location it was a long time ago. Whatever you say actually is true drama, but Courtney seems to be too much.

Now that's something I don't get, too. How could the "Total Drama" series be avoided, all because of this bossy, rude girl, just like how could "The Phantom Menace" was abandoned by that clumsy, CGI, rabbit-like creature. In addition, Courtney's only on the second half of TDA (she was also on the aftermath episodes in the season's first half). Well, I agree that TDA seemed to make the series lost it's great creativity, but some casts are still going strong, which is why I found this season to be good but not great. The other reason that TDWT is an okay season is that I think we seen enough of the original contestants as they don't seem to be interesting anymore (With the exception of DJ thought he's cursed, Ezekiel turned into a Gollum-like creature, and Heather's at her best in TDWT). At least the series is refreshed with an all-new cast in TDRI, and it has its creativity back.		2012-06-20 03:11:00

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JustinArt
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the Winter Olympics...2012-06-20 04:43:00

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GribbleGrunger
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Pushing daisies really went downhill - first series was honestly one of the most interesting TV crime dramas I have seen. Luther's amazing though if you like TV crim dramas. And what's with all the adventure time hatin'? I loves me some adventure time!http://www.artofthetitle.com/2010/10/12/adventure-time/2012-06-20 08:32:00

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flamingemu
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Pushing daisies really went downhill - first series was honestly one of the most interesting TV crime dramas I have seen. Luther's amazing though if you like TV crim dramas. And what's with all the adventure time hatin'? I loves me some adventure time!http://www.artofthetitle.com/2010/10/12/adventure-time/

Really? I really enjoyed Pushing Daisies, and thought that both seasons were great. Still, it's been a while since I saw that show, I might just have to take some time to re-watch parts of Season 2 to see what you mean. Oh, and I've watched a bit of Luther, only some, but I loved what I saw. 		2012-06-20 13:32:00

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Dragonvarsity
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Pushing daisies was excelently orriginal right until the end. season 2 is different yeas, due to the show having to evolve as it has a fairly simple premise. the on going dwight dixon story line during the series as an example of how the show is able to carry side stories very successfully. I'm still waiting on the possibility of a season 3... :'(
I'd say doctor who has gone downhill recently. The actors are great as are the sets and even storylines basic ideas, however the writing has become very poor, and episodes are forced to finnish abruptly in order to fit within the time restraints. longer episodes also often seem to try to cram in a whole bunch of ideas that really don't fit together leading to massive headaches.
I'd also say primeval has been going down scince season 2. the team is not as strong as it was, connor isn't as fun, and all the new technology they havemakes it less fun overall		2012-06-20 16:28:00

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Smudge228
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maybe I need to re-watch season 2 of pushing daisies?
And yes, doctor who is only watched currently by me, because of nostalgia I suppose and waiting for it to get good. Same with Primeval, but torchwood is still good thank god!		2012-06-20 16:39:00

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flamingemu
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Doctor Who has, on multiple occasions, (recently at least) been a hit or miss kinda show. Overall, I enjoyed Season 5 a lot more than Season 6, as Season 6's overall story was more unbalanced, not as cool, and had a way less satisfying ending than Season 5 did, but it still had it's moments, like "The girl who waited", "The Doctor's Wife", etc., but it had too many flops, and the Christmas special was an absolute failure. :/2012-06-20 16:52:00

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Dragonvarsity
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The Office
Family Guy
American Dad
Simpsons

Basically anything in the comedy genre other than Archer which is the only show that manages to keep me in stitches every episode.		2012-07-05 17:59:00

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Nick930930
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Family Guy


1 good episode per season.		2012-07-05 20:23:00

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Rabid-Coot
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I am starting to wonder. On the first few posts, some were telling us that Spongebob is going downhill. The question is: When did Spongebob start going downhill. On some forums, people say that it's been going downhill since 2005. That's seven years then. I say that's a depression. A show going downhill for seven years is a lot.2012-07-05 22:37:00

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Apple2012
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^I got bored of the series around the same time you say some people consider to be the start of the series's downhill drop. I think it's safe to say seasons 1-3 were the best of the show.2012-07-12 22:47:00

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BIGGamerer
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^I got bored of the series around the same time you say some people consider to be the start of the series's downhill drop. I think it's safe to say seasons 1-3 were the best of the show.

Back on TV.com, that's what people say. Season 4 had a lot of criticism, Season 5 had more, and Season 6 had even more. What's even more interesting: the movie was after Season 3 but before Season 4. So I got to say that the show is going downhill since the movie.

@Everyone who posts on this topic:

I found out why Cartoon Network is accepting the live action trash. It's probably because of these three reasons:

1. Goosebumps is live action animated.
2. The shows on CN Real are like Total Drama Island.
3. Nick and Disney are accepting live-action animated shows.

Here are my counter-arguments for the reasons.

1. Goosebumps is live action animated. - Kids love Goosebumps, but they hate the shows on CN Real. It's because kids are into cartoons and they do not like live-action TV shows or the fact that Cartoon Network is accepting live-action TV shows. The only difference is that kids like Goosebumps, and Goosebumps is more known for it's horror theme, not the live-action animation.
2. The shows on CN Real are like Total Drama Island. - I have to admit that Total Drama Island was good when I saw it in 2008, and it was Cartoon Network's #1 highest rated show in 2008. Some shows on CN real are related to TDI in some way, but it doesn't mean CN should accept them. Survive This would be a good show for the Discovery Channel or something, but not for Cartoon Network, even if it wasn't live-action, but I do admit it's better as live-action. It's a survival show like TDI, but not a game show. Destroy Build Destroy is a game show, and I think it survived the longest out of all CN Real shows. Even if it was the best of CN Real (still not good for CN), TDI was better because everytime a team loses, one person gets sent away till one remains. CN believed the rest of the shows would be good, but they failed. The only difference is that kids like Total Drama Island. In fact, even Total Drama Action failed when it went along with the shows on CN Real.
3. Nick and Disney are accepting live action animated shows. - Nick and Disney are both making the wrong turn, so why would Cartoon Network follow them? Live action shows are acceptable on Disney because it wasn't meant for only cartoons. Good thing they made an alternative channel. Same for Nick. It wasn't just for cartoons, but Nicktoons is. I think we mentioned this 10^6 times, but it's not live-action network, it's Cartoon Network.

CN Real isn't the first time Cartoon Network messed up and accepted a live-action show. Do you remember Out of Jimmy's Head? If not, I can explain. Out of Jimmy's Head was a spin-off from the movie Re-animated. Not only it's live-action, but it's live-action MIXED with cartoon characters. Bad for kids, bad for adults, teens hate it the most. In fact, it was taken off the air due to its unpopularity. No new episodes, no re-runs, no nothing about Out of Jimmy's Head. I do like Out of Jimmy's Head, but I see the points of those who don't.

Accepting live-action animated TV shows was the biggest mistake Cartoon Network made, but they accepted other shows that ruined the channel.		2012-07-13 01:25:00

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Apple2012
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[...] I found out why Cartoon Network is accepting the live action trash. It's probably because of these three reasons: [...]

You hit it right on the nose.

What ever happened to the good cartoons like Courage, Foster's Home, Grim Adventures, and even Chowder? I miss that CartoonNetwork...

I feel like Adventure Time is the only thing keeping CN alive. :/		2012-07-13 02:26:00

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Frinklebumper
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It's not Cartoon Network thats going downhill its you outgrowing their programming it happens to everyone. The stuff we grow up with is always the best stuff and most of the stuff beyond a certain point is going to seem crap because you're not in the target demographic and there's no associated nostalgia. There's always 1 or 2 shows that trancend their intended audience but overall you will drift away from the network and a new batch of people will make the same complaints about another batch of content.

As for live action networks eventually try stuff that isn't what their name sugests they should be showing if the stuff is successful they may rebrand the network		2012-07-13 10:04:00

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Rabid-Coot
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It's not Cartoon Network thats going downhill its you outgrowing their programming it happens to everyone. The stuff we grow up with is always the best stuff and most of the stuff beyond a certain point is going to seem crap because you're not in the target demographic and there's no associated nostalgia. There's always 1 or 2 shows that trancend their intended audience but overall you will drift away from the network and a new batch of people will make the same complaints about another batch of content.

As for live action networks eventually try stuff that isn't what their name sugests they should be showing if the stuff is successful they may rebrand the network

Well, you do make a good point there, and of course, we all have our own opinions. I personally think that a lot of newer shows are less witty than some of the older shows, and at times can feel a bit more 'dumbed down' for the general audiences.		2012-07-13 11:35:00

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Dragonvarsity
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The Office
Family Guy
American Dad
Simpsons

I think American Dad stayed hilarious, maybe even got a little better.

And 90's Cartoon Network was fantastic, I saw a programming schedule the other day (not the full thing, only a short list) and it seems they've completely forgotten that the demographic who watch that channel don't laugh at every appropriate moment, they don't find whatever is on to be as funny as the previous/next show, it was underestimating the comedic appreciation of people today. What next? They'll bring in... educational shows...		2012-07-13 12:15:00

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Ironface
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It's not Cartoon Network thats going downhill its you outgrowing their programming it happens to everyone. The stuff we grow up with is always the best stuff and most of the stuff beyond a certain point is going to seem crap because you're not in the target demographic and there's no associated nostalgia. There's always 1 or 2 shows that trancend their intended audience but overall you will drift away from the network and a new batch of people will make the same complaints about another batch of content.

As for live action networks eventually try stuff that isn't what their name sugests they should be showing if the stuff is successful they may rebrand the network

Somebody on TV.com also said this. The channel is targeted towards ages 6 to 12. You're right that everyone can be a kid only once, and when they grow up, they should be done with Cartoon Network.

However, I can prove you wrong in some fields. How did these shows turn out:

Squirrel Boy
George of the Jungle (new version)
Chop Socky Chooks
Out of Jimmy's Head
CN Real (6 shows)
Unnatural History
League of Super Evil

They all turned out to be bad. Not only adults are too old for these as teens hate these shows, but kids hate them too. The kids are always interested into cartoons while they aren't into live-action shows. As for the shows League of Super Evil, Chop Socky Chooks, the newer George of the Jungle (2008), and Squirrel Boy, kids don't like these shows either. Some TV shows (even for the cartoons), would fail to appeal to kids when they go on Cartoon Network.

Another thing I say in response to your post: it actually reminds me of something. If older shows were better than the newer ones, then what would the even earlier audience think of the older shows when they watch the "even-older shows" (like 1992 to 1996)? I bet they like the shows at their time, but not shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog or Ed, Edd, and Eddy. And what if the later audience (1999 to 2003) watch the old shows again. They would probably not be interested anymore. Of course, the newer audience (2008 to present) would not like to see the older shows. Every show has their own part of play, and everyone has their own time of being a child, so if we introduce the older shows to the newer audience, then one of the three outcomes is possible. It could be that kids like the older shows better (makes CN look like it's going downhill again), it could be that there's no difference (they're kids, and they're still young enough to watch cartoons), or they would not like the older cartoons (different shows are good for their time and for the audience who watch it).

As I have to continue to the last paragraph, I felt the same way for South Park. I started watching in 2009, but when I saw the earlier episodes (like 1997), I can see how different the show was, and it's clear that South Park has came this far. And it turns out...I like the older episodes more, but newer South Park fans won't. If they started watching in one era, like I said before, they wouldn't like the episodes that weren't around their time, they would like the older ones more, or they have no difference by season.		2012-07-13 14:47:00

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Apple2012
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Having some bad shows that fail is perfectly normal for a network.2012-07-13 22:43:00

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Rabid-Coot
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Having some bad shows that fail is perfectly normal for a network.

It is normal to accept shows that mess up the channel, especially at this time. Cartoon Network just became "Live Action Network", History Channel isn't going to be about history anymore, and Nickelodeon is now "Spongebob and iCarly Network".

Now every channel has their own flaw, even if it doesn't mean "going downhill" or "dying".

Cartoon Network has WAY too many commercial time.
Nickelodeon is obsessed with marathons.
Disney Channel is never as good as the Disney films.
Sy-Fy was a misspelling of sci-fi.

Anything else?		2012-07-14 02:35:00

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Apple2012
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Having some bad shows that fail is perfectly normal for a network.
But only the best channels can have 100% bad shows!
http://i.imgur.com/U8GVq.jpg		2012-07-14 13:18:00

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gdn001
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It is normal to accept shows that mess up the channel, especially at this time. Cartoon Network just became "Live Action Network", History Channel isn't going to be about history anymore, and Nickelodeon is now "Spongebob and iCarly Network".

Now every channel has their own flaw, even if it doesn't mean "going downhill" or "dying".

You forget that the internet wasn't as widely used as it is nowadays. Television networks need to compete a growing source of entertainment and massive library of media.


Cartoon Network has WAY too many commercial time.

It's how they make money.


Nickelodeon is obsessed with marathons.

Because it works.


Disney Channel is never as good as the Disney films.

They have different departments for each one, and each one is entirely different in the sense of one being made for 1-2 hour(s) viewing and the other made for years of active content.


Sy-Fy was a misspelling of sci-fi.

Please tell me you were trying to make a joke here, because I can't even begin wrapping my head that statement.		2012-07-16 02:51:00

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CyberSora
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You forget that the internet wasn't as widely used as it is nowadays. Television networks need to compete a growing source of entertainment and massive library of media.



It's how they make money.



Because it works.



They have different departments for each one, and each one is entirely different in the sense of one being made for 1-2 hour(s) viewing and the other made for years of active content.



Please tell me you were trying to make a joke here, because I can't even begin wrapping my head that statement.

Only half of what I said were minor flaws. On the other half, the Disney one was opinionated by me and the Sy-Fy one was a joke. Misspelling is a common way of naming brands (like Monsterz instead of Monsters). And only 100% of what you say is true.		2012-07-16 03:44:00

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Apple2012
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What happened to Drake and Josh? They NEED to revive it. (No I'm not stupid, Kenan And Kel was the first evolution, and it WAS better.) And what happened to Spongebob? Back then, the humor was actually aimed from 8- 100 year old people! Everyone laughed! Now it's all about stupid tales, and hideously bad ideas. The creators of spongebob, please admit you ran out of ideas?2012-07-16 03:56:00

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SuperROBO1
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What happened to Drake and Josh? They NEED to revive it.

The show was getting too old and so were the actors playing the characters. Drake Bell and Josh Peck wanted to pursue careers in other industries (mainly movies), so the ended the show.


(No I'm not stupid, Kenan And Kel was the first evolution, and it WAS better.)

Everything's better when you're a kid. It's debatable.


And what happened to Spongebob? Back then, the humor was actually aimed from 8- 100 year old people! Everyone laughed! Now it's all about stupid tales, and hideously bad ideas. The creators of spongebob, please admit you ran out of ideas?

Well, Nick's target demographic is children, so Spongebob caters to them almost specifically. Besides, the show has been on for more than 10 years. They had to run out of good ideas eventually.		2012-07-16 06:48:00

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CyberSora
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Well, Nick's target demographic is children, so Spongebob caters to them almost specifically. Besides, the show has been on for more than 10 years. They had to run out of good ideas eventually.

Derek Drymon is in charge now. Stephen Hillenberg used to be in charge of Spongebob, but since he left, Derek Drymon took over. The old writers left and the new writers took over. With these guys, they changed the show. Spongebob is stupider than it was before because of the new writers. All of the good ideas ran out since 2005/2006.		2012-07-16 19:23:00

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Apple2012
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What I really don't like is disney's live action stuff, especially that austin and alley show. Plus it seems like all the live action shows nowadays are about being famous.2012-07-17 18:19:00

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aceofthorns
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My favorite shows right now are Doctor Who (though it's been iffy whether or not i LOVE the episodes... I think i mainly miss tennant but i like SOME of the stories Smith is put into more), Torchwood (Nevermind the 4th season I barely scraped by on (it was awful and nearly ruined the previous season for me)), and Sherlock (Moriarty is real Dr. Watson!!! >:'( ) As you can see i am a rather big fan of BBC's shows right now, esp. those by Davies and Moffat.2012-07-19 06:07:00

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koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

What I really don't like is disney's live action stuff, especially that austin and alley show. Plus it seems like all the live action shows nowadays are about being famous.

Yeah, that's how Disney is making the wrong turn. Just like what I said about the reasons why CN is accepting the live action shows, Disney is making the wrong turn by accepting live action shows. Before 2005, I never saw any live action show on Disney, but I did see some on Nick. Now Disney is totally changing. After the cancellation of Hannah Montana, Disney should clear up, but I think it's going to take a while.		2012-08-04 22:51:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I don't watch any T.V. besides Adventure Time. I think the episodes are getting better as it goes on, my favorite is the episode "Princess Cookie."2012-08-12 02:33:00

Author:
OodlesofNoodles
Posts: 55

To be fair, I think there's nothing left to talk about here (if regarding channels). I see the many views of how bad CN, Nick, and Spongebob has done. I remember on TV.com that I saw this one guy who was critical of CN for airing bad shows and taking out the good shows. This was in 2008 as I know of. In 2009, when CN Real came, I couldn't participate in the discussions since I was done with TV.com and that I haven't found another forum about CN Real. I say for over all of what I read from here, 2005 to 2009 was the worst era for CN, and that's where they picked up the bad shows and ended the good shows.

I also feel that I'm the only one who's trying to keep the topic alive. If you read through all of the pages on this topic, you could see me post at least once to three times per page. Now there's nothing else to talk about here. So I'm going to shift the topic into talking about how bad South Park is doing in the last four years. I know a lot of people who hate the show for being offensive or having inappropriate content. There are also some people who used to like the show until last year or the year before. Both groups hate the show.		2012-08-12 03:53:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

American television for kids is ruining kids everywhere else.
for the love of god
please
stop
arghrhrhrharrrimnotracistarghrrarrr		2012-08-13 16:48:00

Author:
Gavin
Posts: 338

American television for kids is ruining kids everywhere else.
for the love of god
please
stop
arghrhrhrharrrimnotracistarghrrarrr

How does it ruin kids everywhere else?

Back to the Cartoon Network and their live action subject, we know that live action animated shows are bad for channels that are made for cartoons. But are the live action shows really bad? I know they're not good for CN, but it doesn't make them bad. It's like criticising an entire TV show for one character (i.e. TDI got hate from fans due to the character Courtney). If CN Real shows are the only good shows on CN, and if they're fine or great, then CN is already bad even before we taken the live action shows. That means, the cartoons' qualities are just as bad as accepting live action shows on a channel made for Cartoons.		2012-09-09 16:58:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

How does it ruin kids everywhere else?

TV shows get sold worldwide.		2012-09-09 17:15:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

TV shows get sold worldwide.
Depending on the show.

And television period is complete trash anymore.

Except Modern Family.

I love my Modern Family.		2012-09-14 11:39:00

Author:
Rooster
Posts: 38

Depending on the show.

And television period is complete trash anymore.

Except Modern Family.

I love my Modern Family.

You have a lot to watch then. 		2012-09-14 23:42:00

Author:
Dragonvarsity
Posts: 5208

More on the Nickelodeon subject:

I agree that Avatar (both The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra) are pretty great shows. The Penguins of Madagascar is okay in my opinion, so if we don't have Avatar, we still have this. All the other shows, not so great.

I have ambivalent feelings about Spongebob. While I agree wil all of you about the show getting worse and being overrated, I actually don't mind this show, and I started the category game with Spongebob. I'm okay if my friends watch it, but Spongebob is most of all, the trouble of Nickelodeon, especially with how it's doing. It hasn't even ended - yet, but it will, because every show has to come to a stop. All of the other cartoons on Nick (except the ones I named above) are very stupid, especially Fairly OddParents. Why? It's because the show is way too childish, and out of all TV shows that are going downhill, Fairly OddParents is the worst. Even before it encircled the drain, I find the show to be stupid. The characters always looked stupid or ugly (compared to Spongebob), the boy always relies on magic to get everything he wants, and voices are terrible. On the live action sector, iCarly looks like the best one to me, but like Spongebob, iCarly is dominating the channel too. I don't think live action shows are good for any of the three (Nick, Disney, and Cartoon Network), and Spongebob is taking up way too much viewing time as well. Imagine if Cartoon Network picked up Spongebob.		2012-09-15 00:51:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

You have a lot to watch then.

Modern Family is all I need.		2012-09-15 06:17:00

Author:
Rooster
Posts: 38

I would have said "How I Met Your Mother" is going downhill but that's where it started. Same with all other sitcoms at generally the same time slot, and do I dare be so audacious by not saying "just my opinion"? I think I shall be so!2012-09-15 15:24:00

Author:
Ironface
Posts: 432

do I dare be so audacious by not saying "just my opinion"? I think I shall be so!

This is the internet my friend.

There will be blood.		2012-09-16 06:31:00

Author:
Rooster
Posts: 38

I would have said "How I Met Your Mother" is going downhill but that's where it started. Same with all other sitcoms at generally the same time slot, and do I dare be so audacious by not saying "just my opinion"? I think I shall be so!

Aye, I think it's a terrible show.

I actually don't mind Big Bang Theory though. I've only seen up to and including season 4 (I think), it's on at 6pm every day on E4 in the UK. Bit of a guilty pleasure when I get home from work.		2012-09-19 11:23:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

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