LittleBigPlanet General #1
The Great Musical Collaboration Experiment
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| So, I was sipping my tea the other day when I had a brainwave. I'll try to break my idea down into lumps. I'm not very good at writing things that make sense. For evidence, please refer to every LBPC post I've ever written. Anyway: LBP Music Monkeys Unite! The idea is to create the largest musical collaboration in LBP, simply by creating a music sequencer and passing it around the community like a hot potato. For example, one creator (eg. me) starts a new sequencer, sets the tempo, echo, swing, reverb, whatever. Places a few blocks. Scores a few bars. Establishes a melody. Whatever. Then I deliberately leave it open-ended, unfinished, and send it as a LittleBigGift to another music creator that I know on my friends list, or elsewhere. The next creator continues it, expands it, develops it, evolves it, does whatever the smeg they want with it. You get the gist. It's not rocket science. The idea the interests me is that it's not a collaboration in the traditional sense. It doesn't have to be particularly cohesive or consistent. In fact, it doesn't HAVE to be anything at all. It can vary wildly in style and mood, go off on random tangents. People can create in their own establish style, or attempt something new. It doesn't really matter. I just thought it would be a fun experiment... to create a music sequencer stamped with the personalities of a dozen creators, maybe more. It could end up being completely different to what it began as. And that's not a bad thing. Obviously, there could be thermo issues. This can be circumvented by agreeing beforehand to using only a specific set of instruments/sounds. I have no idea what. I haven't thought through the nitty-gritty details. I'll leave that until somebody actually thinks this isn't a waste of time. I was partially inspired by Velvet's thread to submit this one of my own. I don't start threads very often. I pull threads, and people's jumpers become unravelled. So? Yes? Well? Hmmmm?? | 2012-04-07 12:55:00 Author: weirdybeardy  Posts: 123 |
| This idea gets my whole-hearted approval. Do it now! | 2012-04-07 21:21:00 Author: FlipMeister  Posts: 631 |
| No objections here. I may even pitch in if you wanted... idk. | 2012-04-08 01:15:00 Author: Fang  Posts: 578 |
| Well, judging form the luke-warm response, I was thinking of putting this on the back-burner... at least for the time being. When I've made a bigger dent in my backlog of unfinished music sequencers, the timing for a experiment like this will be better. Maybe. We'll see. | 2012-05-05 15:12:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| Well this sounds great! Count me in :-D | 2012-05-06 13:57:00 Author: Unexpecter  Posts: 137 |
Cool!  I mean... I'm not sure how we would do it. I figured it would be simple, but maybe I was wrong. Any ideas?  | 2012-05-06 14:13:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| well....first off....how many participants you plan (or you imagine) to pull into this? | 2012-05-07 10:11:00 Author: Unexpecter Posts: 137 |
| As many as are interested. In my mind, I figured the sequencer could be passed around to anyone who's online at the right time. Then, if they change their mind and don't want to take part, they could just capture the object and send it back again. It could be slow progress. And by the way, Shadowriver had the idea that the resulting mega-collaboration could be the 1000th song on LittleBigAudio. Which I think it pretty neat. | 2012-05-07 10:18:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| A 1000th jubilee tune sounds great! But back to thing....I think we need starting group of people - let?s say 5-10 (if you already haven?t more. Together we need to discuss/pick instruments and basic rules ( how long can be each part, BPM, effects etc. ) Then make some sort of order and then we can rockn?roll :-D..... OR - You can make the rules ( as you come up with this thread ) and make the first part, then post it further...It will be fun no matter how it will be... | 2012-05-07 11:13:00 Author: Unexpecter Posts: 137 |
| So far, I think you, me, Shadowriver, Festerd_Jester, nk827 and flippy3007 all know about it... as will anyone else who reads this forum. I mentioned it to Velvet too. It's just a matter of getting online and getting stuck in. How about this: Wave and string/guitar sounds only, and percussion must come from Baiyon set and/or accoustic set (or whatever it's called... I forget. But you know which one I mean)... EDIT: I just re-posted this thread at LittleBigPlanetarium. Let's see if that gives it a boost... | 2012-05-07 17:06:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| Ok...strings are the most important for me, so I?m happy with this set of instruments. And what about BPM, length etc.? | 2012-05-08 15:06:00 Author: Unexpecter Posts: 137 |
When are you planning to do this? Now? or later in summer? If it's on summer count me in too!  I have exams for my school right now, so if it's this month I won't be able to participate... :/ | 2012-05-10 16:11:00 Author: AntonyHelen  Posts: 127 |
| Okay, troops! Here are some ground rules that I just made up on a whim. I figured it would be a good place to start. If you disagree, go right ahead and throw the book at me. But make sure the book you throw isn't a hardback, because those pointy edges hurt. 1) INSTRUMENTS! This list is designed to keep a good, flexible, variable sound in the song without it overloading the thermo. Believe me, I wish we could use all the instruments, but if you want to do this properly, we can't. But hey, it's a challenge, right? Acoustic Kit 1 Baiyon Kit 1 Bass Guitar Electric Guitar (muted) Electric Guitar (distorted) Strings Legato Pulse Wave Saw Wave Sine Wave Square Wave Triangle Wave Brass Anything in this list that you hate? Tell the thread! Anything you love? Tell the thread! Anything to say at all? Tell the thread! 2) NO VOLUME SLIDERS! Huh??? But why? Because, on the whole, I've found that they impede flexibility in dynamics. If you're dividing a sequencer into volume-set strips it limits the freedom of the other creators. Altering things like volume and panning over a large chunk of music is easy enough to do with group-select. This is my humble opinion. 3) I forgot number 3. I'll just move on to point 4. 4) SET TEMPO! Music sequencers default to 125 beats per minute, which is fine, but I can't help thinking that we can set it to something else. Remember, there's an awful lot of possibilities within any given tempo, just by using things like double time or compound time, or crazy time signatures. I really don't know what to suggest might be a good tempo for everyone. Ideas? 5) This experiment is open to EVERYONE! The gist of it (as far as I understand) is that the end project is one long, continuous, linear sequencer, presumably of ridiculous length. The finished song could be all over the place stylistically speaking, and change a LOT from one thing to another, but it MUST exist within some kind of parameters - and that's where these "ground rules" come into play. I hope this post didn't cause more confusion that it was meant to. I was just trying to get the ball rolling. And, let's face it, it's a big, solid, heavy ball. Love, peace and semibreaves, weirdybeardy PS: AntonyHelen, I don't have a clue about when it's starting. I might be happening soon, it might not. You mentioned summer, well, summer is kind of breathing down our necks already, so let's see, eh? | 2012-05-10 19:13:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| You may want to set a limit as well to the amount of time one author works on his part - or rather, have the sequencer in his possession - before having to pass it onto the next creator. This might keep the project from slowing down and you can set a deadline for its finalization once you know the number of participants. | 2012-05-10 19:43:00 Author: Antikris  Posts: 1340 |
| PS: AntonyHelen, I don't have a clue about when it's starting. I might be happening soon, it might not. You mentioned summer, well, summer is kind of breathing down our necks already, so let's see, eh? Ya, ok! I hope I'll able to participate  ... thx | 2012-05-10 22:22:00 Author: AntonyHelen Posts: 127 |
| Hmm.. could take part in, but I'm not a fast composer, so doing my part might take some time. | 2012-05-11 08:01:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| I'm hoping to make an official start with this project at the beginning of next week; I'll create a sequencer and send it to someone. I don't even know who! But I'll keep you all updated on this thread. Thanks to everyone for keeping the thread bumped. Watch this space, and shout out if you have any ideas or input at all. | 2012-05-12 19:23:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| Okay, it's on! I've just slapped together a sequencer song of about sixteen bars length. It's pretty basic, set at 123bpm (because I thought "123" would be easy to remember), and it uses some of the instruments I listed above. It took me slightly less than an hour to do and I've added notes saying "weirdybeardy started here" and "weirdybeardy ended here". Now I'm looking for someone to pass to baton to! Send me a message here or on PSN if you want to take over! UPDATE: Bumpity bump! I just met with Ungreth in-game and we had a music sequencer exchange. It's afoot! Check LBPC, Planetarium and Twitter for more happenings. | 2012-05-14 10:49:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| New update! The music sequencer is now in possession of Turbo_Egg_Salad. If you're interested in getting your mitts on it, give Turbo a shout | 2012-05-21 07:45:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| New new update! The music sequencer is now in possession of flippy3007. Yeah, I bumped it. Don't look at me like that. | 2012-05-28 23:41:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| Yeah, I'm necro'ing this thread! Bringing the project back from the dead! Unintentionally rhyming! Anyway, listen: the sequencer currently consists of musical segments by the following creators: weirdybeardy Ungreth Turbo_Egg_Salad Chucky789 Destroyer5563 and soon, Velvet--Audio Sorry for the horrendous layout of this post. Hopefully it makes sense. Keep an eye on the forums here at Central and at Planetarium, and also on Twiiter, if you're there. | 2012-07-02 09:39:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| Well, I'm not that good with music sequencers, but count me in! | 2012-07-02 21:14:00 Author: BillyCrash100  Posts: 134 |
| Count me in too! I know finished with my exams so I'm able to participate | 2012-07-07 11:41:00 Author: AntonyHelen Posts: 127 |
| I'll help Would love to, get me away from level building! | 2012-07-23 10:29:00 Author: Sim725  Posts: 247 |
| Yayyyyy! The project is still alive. Here is the sequencer line-up as it stands presently: weirdybeardy Ungreth Turbo_Egg_Salad chucky789 Destroyer5563 Velvet--Audio Festerd_Jester hugh-es Arexion Arexion holds the gauntlet, so he's the one to yell at. But also let me know what's going on as well, because that would be polite and kind and nice and stuff. | 2012-07-23 11:03:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| I wanna be in! | 2012-07-30 23:39:00 Author: Pellemannen  Posts: 40 |
| Is this still up? | 2012-09-20 12:07:00 Author: AntonyHelen Posts: 127 |
| If it's not to late i would love to be in this project a make my own music a lot in lbp. Count me in if it is still up and running. | 2012-09-20 13:34:00 Author: Ben21  Posts: 127 |
| I'm in! So I should send a message to "Arexion" for the sequencer? | 2012-09-20 19:32:00 Author: craigmond  Posts: 2426 |
| It's still on! Gearing up for a big finish, so if you're interested in taking part, let me know NOW. | 2012-10-06 16:04:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| It's still on! Gearing up for a big finish, so if you're interested in taking part, let me know NOW. I am interested! | 2012-10-07 09:59:00 Author: AntonyHelen Posts: 127 |
| So, who's currently in possession of the sequencer? | 2012-10-08 18:51:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Guessing I'm too late? | 2012-10-08 22:57:00 Author: Buttarms  Posts: 142 |
| Anyone who is still interested in taking part in this, PLEASE let me know on Twitter or PSN before the end of the THIS WEEK. The project must be completed soon! | 2012-10-10 13:56:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| Naw, better not; probably won't even get a chance. Plus, I'm busy with this Arabian track. Three different time signatures throughout the song. 7/8, 4/4 and 3/4. Unqiue. | 2012-10-11 11:43:00 Author: Buttarms Posts: 142 |
| The sequencer is currently in the posession of craigmond. There are a couple of other creators queued up to take part, and I'm trying my best to make sure they get their fair go at it... | 2012-10-23 18:57:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| Who is all stillin line cz i think we need to draw a line and accept no more people who want to take part and get the people in line done with the sequencer | 2012-10-24 16:36:00 Author: Ben21 Posts: 127 |
| Running time of the sequencer: 28 minutes and 40 seconds Musical creators involved: 16 Get involved! Contact me on PSN or Twitter soon. Everything must go at the Great Musical Collaboration Carpet Warehouse Sale. | 2012-10-29 10:59:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| A new heads-up! The end deadline for this project is now November 12! I love the mega-collaboration, and the project has gone better than I ever thought it would, but the time has come to draw a line under proceedings. Please contact me soon if you still want to contribute. I don't want anyone to be disappointed. Thanks and stuff, weirdy | 2012-10-29 18:06:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| This project is in the final stages of tweaking. Massive thanks and big hugs to everyone who was insane, brave and un-busy enough to lend their talents to completing this foolish quest. To anyone who wanted to take part but was unable to; apologies, hugs and warm fresh-baked scones. This was a prototype, an "experiment", so see if it could actually be done. If it sets a precedent, if the music collaboration bug catches successfully, there will be similar projects in future. To reflect this, this sequencer has been designated "The Great Musical Collaboration Experiment No. 1", but also lacks a TRUE title, so suggestions are welcome and encouraged! "The Great Musical Collaboration Experiment No. 1: (YOUR SUGGESTION HERE)" The final piece of music is over half an hour in length and is the work of 20 individual creators combined. It will appear in some kind of level in LBP2 before too long, but also look out for it on LittleBigAudio, the community LBP music channel on YouTube created and maintained by the mighty ShadowriverUB. Best wishes and squishes, everyone! | 2012-11-10 19:40:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| AH MAN!! i cant believe i missed out on this  i would have loved to have been involvedmassive well done to all the creators who got their hands dirty with this insane and epic project cant wait to hear the finished thing!! | 2012-11-10 21:21:00 Author: Skalio-  Posts: 920 |
| I can't believe I haven't posted in this thread yet. Anywho, I've been interested in this project since it was conceived 7 months ago!!! Can't wait to hear what the results sound like. I kind of wish I participated, but I feel my talents are not of the same caliber as most of the other contributors :blush:. Good job to all of you who helped out though! | 2012-11-11 00:14:00 Author: maddoggnick96  Posts: 272 |
| I had a lot of fun to be a part of this Original Project. I'm Sure it will be an incredible fusion of different kind of musics that evolve minute by minute. | 2012-11-12 18:09:00 Author: pirmaut  Posts: 99 |
| There one small problem guys, YouTube matched third party content on The Great Musical Collaboration Experiment, it match this: "Jupiter, the bringer of jollity" from The Planets, Op. 32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6NopU9K_8M It just need part of it and part of your song in order to match, ofcorse there might be just mistake via similarity. I can dispute to this copyright claim, but first i need to be 100% that it's collaboration does not have any part of tthat song, or they will have a right to take down collab and with 40 minute long content it will be hard to find. Best way would be if we figue which part of colab triggered the match, so i can sproof that it's just similarity or something. But even if i won't dispute everything would be ok, other then ad in side of video and some people making money out of it (Thru even with just 1000 views they wont get much lol). | 2012-11-18 20:35:00 Author: Shadowriver  Posts: 3991 |
| As far as I understand it, the section IS meant to be Holst. When hugh-es did that section, he knew it was the non-original song, and at the time I shrugged it off simply because I thought we would be able to mention that it was from "Jupiter" in the YouTube description. So, in short, it IS copyright material... I think. It's classical music, anyway. hugh-es did that section. Have you been in touch with him?? There one small problem guys, YouTube matched third party content on The Great Musical Collaboration Experiment, it match this: "Jupiter, the bringer of jollity" from The Planets, Op. 32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6NopU9K_8M It just need part of it and part of your song in order to match, ofcorse there might be just mistake via similarity. I can dispute to this copyright claim, but first i need to be 100% that it's collaboration does not have any part of tthat song, or they will have a right to take down collab and with 40 minute long content it will be hard to find. Best way would be if we figue which part of colab triggered the match, so i can sproof that it's just similarity or something. But even if i won't dispute everything would be ok, other then ad in side of video and some people making money out of it (Thru even with just 1000 views they wont get much lol). | 2012-11-18 20:43:00 Author: weirdybeardy Posts: 123 |
| But you guys know i take only originals (at least i try ^^&apos, exactly because it quite risky to put it on YouTube cause of those automatic third party matching, at least we lucky that copyright holder of this is quite liberal and only add ads, but sometimes it can video won't work or it might be region locked and it might do something bad to LittleBigAudio account. You saying about description note and i don't remember you saying about it. It can't be help now i guess, if i delete it now it won't be 1000st song anymore and consequences are pretty low and considering it's classical olcestra music and composer is dead since 1934, it won't change status agressivly. So yea that ad there is right to be there then, it might give money to some music institutions considering it's classical music Speaking of hugh-es (And little off topic) one of his song been also matched but this one is odd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Wq7oRXz5Q It been matched to ""BREATHE" the musical composition" which does not tell me much as ithere ton of songs title "Breathe" | 2012-11-18 21:20:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991 |
| Hmmmm, i did some research and i can dispute claim if we proof that "Jupiter, the bringer of jollity" from The Planets, Op. 32 is under public domain (if it is), which would mean hugh-es could legaly use it in any way. I find some scores (book with note i assumes) under public domain, but i don't know if this is counts as music I kind really don't feel right when i think somebody making money out of your creations just because 2 min made by hugh-es and as i reserched Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society that claim owernership does not have right as they tend claim music that is Public Domain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbQ979IokhI | 2012-11-19 03:32:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991 |
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