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Mm Picks and Copyright

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LittleBigPlanet has some amazing levels and whilst we would love to be able to feature all of them, occasionally we'll come across a great level which we unfortunately cannot feature or highlight in the Mm Picks or otherwise.


As a general rule, we have decided not to highlight any levels based on established video game characters and franchises that are not owned by Sony Computer Entertainment, or related to our DLC partners

This hasn't always been the case and if you dig back far enough into the archive of the Mm Picks, you will be able to find levels that do not adhere to this rule. However since then, we have had casual requests from one or two copyright holders, who are happy to turn a blind eye to people making levels, provided that we try not to feature them personally.

Similarly there are a few exceptions to the rule, the most obvious being characters or content from any licensed add-on packs that we have released for LittleBigPlanet.


I know this doesn't sound like wonderful news but we thought it was about time that we set the record straight.


We know that a lot of creators have a huge desire to be featured in the Mm Picks and will continue to pursue that ultimate goal.

However it's worth remembering that no matter how much we love the level (and believe me, there's some levels that are completely astounding to us), your level isn't likely to be Mm Picked, if you use a video game, movie or comic book character or franchise that isn't Sackboy, LittleBigPlanet or your own personal creation.


Besides which, I personally believe that Sackboy is the only hero that LittleBigPlanet will ever need! 		2012-04-02 16:35:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

Sackboy is the only hero that LittleBigPlanet will ever need!

Agreed!!!!		2012-04-02 16:40:00

Author:
zzmorg82
Posts: 948

A shame, but completely understandable. But presumably franchises that have LBP DLC can be allowed. Such as Marvel?
I'm not working on anything Marvel related but this may be relative for someone else.		2012-04-02 16:43:00

Author:
Jedi_1993
Posts: 1518

I know this doesn't sound like wonderful news but we thought it was about time that we set the record straight.

Well I think it is great news... I'd much prefer to see someones original creations (which they have had to developed from scratch) in Mm picks... I'm not saying recreations are bad... but they are just not as unique.


I personally believe that Sackboy is the only hero that LittleBigPlanet will ever need!

*cough* The Alliance, Yellow Head and Mr. Fry are pretty snazzy too *cough*


=p		2012-04-02 16:44:00

Author:
ForgottenEnigma
Posts: 1414

But presumably franchises that have LBP DLC can be allowed. Such as Marvel?

Any content that we have released as a LittleBigPlanet DLC add-on pack is perfectly fine. 		2012-04-02 16:47:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

is this just related to MM picks or will it be implemented across the entire community at some point? I can't see how a copyright can be infringe in one section and not in another. will this lead to some levels being taken down or will it only apply to newer levels. the companies that complain are stupid if you ask me. LBP promotes their franchise ... but i suppose, as LBP gets more professional (fingers crossed for LBP3), there could be more of an issue because the LBP version would or could be as good as the original

... and is MM making Title Fight?		2012-04-02 17:48:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

is this just related to MM picks or will it be implemented across the entire community at some point?

This relates mainly to the Mm Picks and any level features that may appear on LittleBigPlanet.com or the PlayStation Blog.
Basically covering any features or promotions that we do personally for LittleBigPlanet.

We will not be removing such levels from the LittleBigPlanet server and you definitely should not fear that your creations will be removed soon because that most certainly is not the case! 		2012-04-02 18:02:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

I think this is a shame really. Good levels may not get the attention they deserve. Copyright holders making something out of nothing. Surely it works in their favour to see (for example) an Assassins Creed tribute get MM picked. It makes their game look good, and they might even gain a few new fans. Just my opinion anyway.2012-04-02 19:17:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Surely it works in their favour to see (for example) an Assassins Creed tribute get MM picked.

It's a good thing that we have some Assassin's Creed add-on content that's an exception to the rule then. 		2012-04-02 20:10:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

It's a good thing that we have some Assassin's Creed add-on content that's an exception to the rule then.

I couldn't trouble you for a full list of games that are acceptable, could I? it would clarify the situation here, certainly for those creators who may now be working on a franchise based game but are not sure whether they are breaking the law. in fact, to be honest, i think that's a request that really can be a 'consider it done!'

2012-04-02 20:17:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

It's a good thing that we have some Assassin's Creed add-on content that's an exception to the rule then.

Pfffffffffft. You now what I mean. 		2012-04-02 20:33:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Cool info Steven, thanks for posting this.


Personally though I don't think it should affect anyone's decisions in what level they should or shouldn't make. If you have an awesome idea for a <insert franchise here> level, then do it. Whether it's qualifies for being Mm picked shouldn't really be a factor in anyone's creation process. If it is... maybe you should rethink that. 		2012-04-02 20:39:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

I agree with what Nuclearfish said. Make the levels you want to make, as Steven said, they are not going to be deleted.

Here is a list of featured franchises anyway:


Alice in Wonderland
Muppets
Oddworld
Assassin's Creed
Uncharted
Invizimals
Toy Story
Kill Zone
Final Fantasy
Infamous
Tron
Sly
Jak and Daxter
Ratchet and Clank
Marvel stuff
Heavy Rain
Incredibles
Sonic
White Knight Chronicles
Pirates of the Caribbean
Watchmen
Ghostbusters
Ico and Shadow of the Colossus
2000AD
Heavenly Sword
Rag Doll Kung Fu
Patapon
Buzz
Wipeout
Ape Escape
Toro
God of War
Metal Gear
Street Fighter
Resistance
Loco Roco
Journey		2012-04-02 20:47:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

Well, I compiled a list of copyright DLC for anyone who was wondering. Here's a list of the games:

Ape Escape
Assassin's Creed
Buzz Quiz TV
Final Fantasy
Ghostbusters: The Video Game
God of War
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
Ico/Shadow of the Colossus
Infamous
Invisimals
Jak & Daxter
Journey
Killzone
LocoRoco
Mainichi Issho
Metal Gear Solid
Modnation Racers
Motorstorm
Oddworld
Patapon
Rag Doll Kung Fu
Ratchet & Clank
Resistance
Sly Cooper
Sonic the Hedgehog
Street Fighter
Uncharted
White Knight Chronicles
Wipeout

And here's some other properties:

2000 A.D.
Watchmen

Disney:
Alice in Wonderland
The Incredibles
Marvel
The Muppets
Pirates of the Caribbean
Toy Story
Tron

Artists:
Jon Burgerman
Verabee

Let me know if I missed anything.

EDIT: Man I feel ninja'd *Reads above post*		2012-04-02 21:06:00

Author:
maddoggnick96
Posts: 272

Well, I compiled a list of copyright DLC for anyone who was wondering. Here's a list of the games:

Ape Escape
Assassin's Creed
Buzz Quiz TV
Final Fantasy
Ghostbusters: The Video Game
God of War
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
Ico/Shadow of the Colossus
Infamous
Invisimals
Jak & Daxter
Journey
Killzone
LocoRoco
Mainichi Issho
Metal Gear Solid
Modnation Racers
Motorstorm
Oddworld
Patapon
Ratchet & Clank
Rag Doll Kung Fu
Resistance
Sly Cooper
Sonic the Hedgehog
Street Fighter
Uncharted
White Knight Chronicles
Wipeout

And here's some other properties:

2000 A.D.
Watchmen

Disney:
Alice in Wonderland
The Incredibles
Marvel
The Muppets
Pirates of the Caribbean
Toy Story
Tron

Artists:
Jon Burgerman
Verabee

Let me know if I missed anything.

EDIT: Man I feel ninja'd *Reads above post*

Well yours is in alphabetical order if that makes you feel any better

I've been wondering about this for some time, glad it's cleared up now. I'm actually surprised Nintendo hasn't taken any action since there are several Mario Bros. clones on LBP. Maybe they think of it as a compliment to the mario franchise...		2012-04-02 21:21:00

Author:
The5rozos
Posts: 952

These lists of affiliated franchises are very helpful, you should consider creating a wiki article (http://wiki.lbpcentral.com/LBPWiki_Main) containing that information. 2012-04-02 22:56:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

Well there was no body with balls to do that, so i did

http://wiki.lbpcentral.com/Relented_Intellectual_Properties

And i got interesting quastion, is this includes movies made by Sony (more specifically Sony Pictures and Columbia Pictures that are owned by them), in that case this add even more movies IPs to the pack:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Entertainment

Not to mention Ghostbusters that we have DLC is actually IP owned by Sony		2012-04-03 03:08:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Huh, good to know.

BUT! Does this apply if it's not characters used, but rather any other property such as music? I live off rearrangements lol. And is it still possible if characters from unaffliciated/dlc sources be featured as cameos?

(I'm still gonna do these above; I'm really just keeping tab on how much attention I'll need to earn on my own if I do publish something Greedy, greedy...)		2012-04-03 04:47:00

Author:
Fang
Posts: 578

So...what about this? (http://lbp.me/v/zspvr6)2012-04-03 07:29:00

Author:
comishguy67
Posts: 849

Shut down the servers and take out your pitchforks folks! It's copyright holders season! Let's hunt.2012-04-03 07:59:00

Author:
BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

This makes me so happy
I've always supported the artistic creativity of people.		2012-04-03 09:42:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

i wonder if this is part of a broader reaching directive? i mean, it would make sense for Sony not to want to advertise other product through LBP and just advertise itself.

think about it this way too: what if some companies want to be advertised in LBP but now know that people can't make versions of their games? wouldn't they perhaps then want to be an official part of LBP and bring out some DLC of their own?

if i'm right with that second one, we could see a heck of a lot more content in the future		2012-04-03 09:52:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

i wonder if this is part of a broader reaching directive? i mean, it would make sense for Sony not to want to advertise other product through LBP and just advertise itself.

think about it this way too: what if some companies want to be advertised in LBP but now know that people can't make versions of their games? wouldn't they perhaps then want to be an official part of LBP and bring out some DLC of their own?

I actually doubt this.
It's just something that favours personality 		2012-04-03 09:58:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Well there was no body with balls to do that, so i did

http://wiki.lbpcentral.com/Relented_Intellectual_Properties

And i got interesting quastion, is this includes movies made by Sony (more specifically Sony Pictures and Columbia Pictures that are owned by them), in that case this add even more movies IPs to the pack:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Entertainment

Not to mention Ghostbusters that we have DLC is actually IP owned by Sony


i wonder if this is part of a broader reaching directive? i mean, it would make sense for Sony not to want to advertise other product through LBP and just advertise itself.

think about it this way too: what if some companies want to be advertised in LBP but now know that people can't make versions of their games? wouldn't they perhaps then want to be an official part of LBP and bring out some DLC of their own?

if i'm right with that second one, we could see a heck of a lot more content in the future

Personally I wouldn't be worrying all too much about what you can and can't publish.
This relates mainly to video game characters and franchises that are not Sackboy or LittleBigPlanet.

There's also no hidden agendas here or anything of that nature.

All we're doing is setting the record straight as to why some quite amazing levels may not be chosen as an Mm Pick and advising everyone to bear this in mind when creating. 		2012-04-03 11:08:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

Relented_Intellectual_Properties

I think that should be "Relentless"

Not much point listing every movie produced by Sony Pictures or its subsidiaries - there's thousands of 'em. Just look 'em up on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/).		2012-04-03 11:37:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

So...what about this? (http://lbp.me/v/zspvr6)


This hasn't always been the case and if you dig back far enough into the archive of the Mm Picks, you will be able to find levels that do not adhere to this rule. However since then, we have had casual requests from one or two copyright holders, who are happy to turn a blind eye to people making levels, provided that we try not to feature them personally.It'll be something like Nintendo don't mind people making levels based on their IP but they don't wan't those levels featured in a way that means their IP is activly promoting their competition. They'll proably have asked for it to not happen again but allowed the existing pick to stay to avoid a small amount of internet rage if it got unpicked and we figured out the reason.		2012-04-03 11:38:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

It'll be something like Nintendo don't mind people making levels based on their IP but they don't wan't those levels featured in a way that means their IP is activly promoting their competition. They'll proably have asked for it to not happen again but allowed the existing pick to stay to avoid a small amount of internet rage if it got unpicked and we figured out the reason.

yeah, that makes a lot of sense. being 'MM' picked and now also a part of Sony could easily be seen as promoting the opposition. I reckon you've got it here. clearly Nintendo wouldn't have been too bothered before because they were only promoting LBP as well as getting free promotion for their own games. promoting one development team is one thing, promoting your worse enemy is another

yeah the solution's here, i can stop speculating now. cheers		2012-04-03 12:01:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

This makes me so happy
I've always supported the artistic creativity of people.

Wow....that's simply one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. So you're implying that passing off/ paying homage to something isn't creativity? Well you obviously don't support the artistic creativity of people when you comepletely disregard one group of creators (The ones with references to other content). Sorry, but this isn't fine. If this rule was in place when they first introduced the "Mm Picks" feature then I'd be ok with this. But, pulling the plug on so many people working hard on there levels (Including myself) is just horrible. Now I know an Mm Pick shouldn't be a reason to create in LBP, and it is certainly not for me, but this seems very unfair that many people arn't even eligable after all there blood, sweat, and tears. Usually I'm all for MediaMolecule, and LBP. They're seriously one of my favorite game developers of all time, but this is just poor planning on MediaMolecules part. While I do understand that this is mostly Sony, and the other copyright holders doing; MediaModecule should of forsaw this problem WAY earlier. I knew something felt weird when a Super Mario level got picked( As great as it is), and I was right to feel weird. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty disapointed.		2012-04-03 14:14:00

Author:
Unknown User

If this rule was in place when they first introduced the "Mm Picks" feature then I'd be ok with this.

"This rule" is effectively copyright law, and has been "in place" for over 200 years. Do you really expect Sony to make themselves liable if you choose to violate it, bearing in mind there's a big difference between Sony turning a blind eye to copyvio, and publicly endorsing a copyvio level?		2012-04-03 14:42:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

"This rule" is effectively copyright law, and has been "in place" for over 200 years. Do you really expect Sony to make themselves liable if you choose to violate it, bearing in mind there's a big difference between Sony turning a blind eye to copyvio, and publicly endorsing a copyvio level?

No I don't, but if this was the case, and this rule was in effect the entire time, why did MediaMolecule choose to not specify this until now, plus pick levels with copyrighted content in the first place. To me it's misleading.		2012-04-03 14:53:00

Author:
Unknown User

...why did MediaMolecule choose to not specify this until now, plus pick levels with copyrighted content in the first place...

From the OP...


This hasn't always been the case and if you dig back far enough into the archive of the Mm Picks, you will be able to find levels that do not adhere to this rule. However since then, we have had casual requests from one or two copyright holders, who are happy to turn a blind eye to people making levels, provided that we try not to feature them personally.

My guess is one of the more recent of these "casual requests" wasn't quite as 'casual' as the others. 		2012-04-03 14:58:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

Wow....that's simply one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. So you're implying that passing off/ paying homage to something isn't creativity? Well you obviously don't support the artistic creativity of people when you comepletely disregard one group of creators (The ones with references to other content). Sorry, but this isn't fine. If this rule was in place when they first introduced the "Mm Picks" feature then I'd be ok with this. But, pulling the plug on so many people working hard on there levels (Including myself) is just horrible. Now I know an Mm Pick shouldn't be a reason to create in LBP, and it is certainly not for me, but this seems very unfair that many people arn't even eligable after all there blood, sweat, and tears. Usually I'm all for MediaMolecule, and LBP. They're seriously one of my favorite game developers of all time, but this is just poor planning on MediaMolecules part. While I do understand that this is mostly Sony, and the other copyright holders doing; MediaModecule should of forsaw this problem WAY earlier. I knew something felt weird when a Super Mario level got picked( As great as it is), and I was right to feel weird. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty disapointed.

I think it's down to personal taste to define what one likes or not.
Defining other tastes as "idiotistic" is...I don't know...I could throw any insult in this sentence just to offend you and it would fit...but I won't get down to your level.
I don't like tributes, if I want I go to play the originals.
LBP works bad for recreations, you can work hard and never be even close enough to the fun and responsiveness of say...Sonic.
So yeah, people wastes their creativity.
They can take concept from a game and blend them with their own ideas to make something unique instead.
Copying is the death of creativity.
Call it tribute if you want, I call it lazyness to be gentle.		2012-04-03 14:59:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I think it's down to personal taste to define what one likes or not.
Defining other tastes as "idiotistic" is...I don't know...I could throw any insult in this sentence just to offend you and it would fit...but I won't get down to your level.
I don't like tributes, if I want I go to play the originals.
LBP works bad for recreations, you can work hard and never be even close enough to the fun and responsiveness of say...Sonic.
So yeah, people wastes their creativity.
They can take concept from a game and blend them with their own ideas to make something unique instead.
Copying is the death of creativity.
Call it tribute if you want, I call it lazyness to be gentle.

It's funny. Really if you get down to it nothing is truely original anymore. Also having the gull to just stand up and say that is pretty insulting. What I've learned about people in general is that if they are not affected by an issue directly they usually go against the people that are affected, and having an issue wth it. Also I waasn't talking about emulating a certain game exactly. I'm talking about taking certain elements, and remixing them for fans of retro gaming. Or paying omage, and respect to the king of gaming. S right now, your no better than I was for saying that your first statemant was "idiotic".		2012-04-03 15:09:00

Author:
Unknown User

Lol OmegaSlayer :o lands a live...Calling some of us lazy is a little harsh i wasi'n't going to post here but i guess i will,.

I all ways do remakes or what your calling them tribute's.I enjoy makeing tribute's so do other's where not at all lazy for remaking classics some like me spend hours and hours makeing classics cose they were apart of our child hood,Most of my contest levels are tribute's.

I don't see how people are at all wasting there creativity?...I will never and plan to never make something new.Like i said befor.I don't see a probblem with there new rule if i wan't Mm picked il make a Lbp level

But we are not at all lazy!.		2012-04-03 15:11:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

It's funny. Really if you get down to it nothing is truely original anymore. Also having the gull to just stand up and say that is pretty insulting. What I've learned about people in general is that if they are not affected by an issue directly they usually go against the people that are affected, and having an issue wth it. Also I waasn't talking about emulating a certain game exactly. I'm talking about taking certain elements, and remixing them for fans of retro gaming. Or paying omage, and respect to the king of gaming. S right now, your no better than I was for saying that your first statemant was "idiotic".

Man, you're really trying to put the pieces of the egg together after you broke it.
But what you said it's under everyone's eyes.
Payin' omage for me, means promoting the original, paying a quick homage with a funny cameo, not a full copy.


I don't see how people are at all wasting there creativity?...I will never and plan to never make something new.Like i said befor.I don't see a probblem with there new rule if i wan't Mm picked il make a Lbp level

But we are not at all lazy!.

Lazy in the meaning that you can do much more with your skills.		2012-04-03 15:13:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

From the OP...



My guess is one of the more recent of these "casual requests" wasn't quite as 'casual' as the others.

they wouldn't do that surely? that would read as 'worried'		2012-04-03 15:16:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Man, you're really trying to put the pieces of the egg together after you broke it.
But what you said it's under everyone's eyes.
Payin' omage for me, means promoting the original, paying a quick homage with a funny cameo, not a full copy.

That's exactly what I'm saying dude! 		2012-04-03 15:16:00

Author:
Unknown User

But ok OmegaSlayer,I fill like im proveing to people that im a worthy creator by re-creating calssic levels i fill like im able to show my skills in the details i give the level,.2012-04-03 15:22:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

I think this is important. Let me inform this to Japanese people in Japanese language.
(Please note that this is unofficial translation made by non-proffesional)

Mm公式にいらっしゃる方からのお知らせです。
以下がこのスレッドの#1の日本語訳です。
素人による非公式の翻訳なので参考にとどめてください。


Mmピックと著作権について

LBPには素晴らしいステージが存在し、私たちはそれらを全部取り上げられたらいいと願っています。しかし 時として、とても良いステージなのに、残念ながら私たちがMmピックやその他の場で取り上げることができな いものに遭遇することがあります。

私たちは一般的なルールとして、ソニー・コンピュータエンタテイメントが権利を所持していないか、もしくは 私たちのDLCパートナーに関連性のない既存のビデオゲームのキャラクターやフランチャイズに依拠したステ ージを取り上げないことに決めています。

従前このルールは必ずしも徹底されておらず、過去のMｍピックをさかのぼっていただくと、このルールに則っ ていないピックも見つかるかと思います。しかしこの間、少数の版権者より、Mm自ら取り上げないでもらえれ ば目をつぶりますよ、とのご要望も受けています。

このルールには例外もあります。もっとも分かりやすいものとしては、私たちがライセンスを受けてLBP内で リリースした追加パックに含まれるキャラクターやコンテンツです。

このニュースがさほど歓迎されないものであろうことは承知していますが、この点に関する誤解を解くべき時に 来ていると考えました。

多くのクリエイターがMmピックに選ばれることを熱望し、そのために努力を続けてくださっていることも理解 しています。

しかしながら覚えておいていただきたいのは、どんなに私たちがステージを気に入っても（私たちを仰天させる ようなステージが確かにあります）、そのステージがリビッツもしくはリトルビッグプラネット、またはあなた のオリジナルの創作によらないビデオゲームや映画やマンガのキャラクターもしくはフランチャイズを使用して いる場合、Mmピックに選ばれない可能性があるということです。

ちなみに私は個人的に、リビッツこそがリトルビッグプラネットの唯一のヒーローだと思います！


And in my personal opinion, this is absolutely fine 		2012-04-03 15:26:00

Author:
eustoma
Posts: 33

But ok OmegaSlayer,I fill like im proveing to people that im a worthy creator by re-creating calssic levels i fill like im able to show my skills in the details i give the level,.

Sorry, I was a bit harsh after I was called idiot, but I think you see my point, you decide to stop on someone else's work while you can do more.
I will always ask every creator to do his/her best and not just live on other expectations.
I want to see the soul of the creator, his art and can't see it on a copy/tribute level.
You can honour things and be yourself...see GEK83's levels in LBP1 paying homage to old SEGA 16-bit platformers for example, Elvenbane's last level homaging Rayman.
The tribute is there, but the level live on their own.		2012-04-03 15:33:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Even tho some may not like remakes,Just look at lbp 1 dead space look how famues it got,It don't matter if its new or not,It matters how well people like it.

I plan to move from makeing classic levels to makeing new level remakes.Levels you have'nt seen on lbp yeat.Tho im a nintendo fann i wanna test my creating skills to see what other types of levels i can make.

Edit-It's ok lol.I do,do more tho i do what some don't do i make every thing my self but some of the music,I try to make things others havein't even tho its a remake.

So i am doing my best i dont live on others expectations i live off mine.

So your saying that.My remaks will probble never get crowned cose im not adding any thing different?		2012-04-03 15:35:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

Sorry, I was a bit harsh after I was called idiot, but I think you see my point, you decide to stop on someone else's work while you can do more.
I will always ask every creator to do his/her best and not just live on other expectations.
I want to see the soul of the creator, his art and can't see it on a copy/tribute level.
You can honour things and be yourself...see GEK83's levels in LBP1 paying homage to old SEGA 16-bit platformers for example, Elvenbane's last level homaging Rayman.
The tribute is there, but the level live on their own.

See, now I understand what your saying. I am going to take my "idiot" comment back. I'm just a bit knocked by this sudden info but I'm a bit more over it now. Sorry about that. I get what your saying now. Now lets stop this, and not start a flame war 		2012-04-03 15:38:00

Author:
Unknown User

they wouldn't do that surely? that would read as 'worried'

I'm sure there are many 'shades of gray' between overlooking copyvio and filing a lawsuit, although I doubt you'll get anything concrete from Sony...


IGN: So did you recently receive a legal threat, and if so, who was it from?

Sony: SOON!

IGN: That doesn't even make sense.



Seriously, though, they wouldn't even comment on which IP holders asked to be whitelisted back in December 2008 (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/940/940711p2.html)...


IGN: Were you anticipating some of the copyright issues that blighted the game early on?

David Smith: We always had plans for dealing with that, but there were some problems in the process that we hadn't forseen. We learnt from it, and Sony worked really hard to resolve it.

Alex Evans: There were three issues; one was negative and two were positive. The negative one was how hard it was to get worldwide legal harmony, because different countries have different laws around copyright infringement. We knew that people would be creative, and that there would be references. It was hard getting the right balance on a worldwide angle. But then there's been these two mad positives; one was the high quality of the levels, including the infringing ones. The other point is the number of IP owners who came up to us and said please whitelist us ? we'll never ever ask you to pull infringing stuff. I can't say who that is, but those two things really shocked me, I think it shocked [the IP holders], who were like, hang on, my IP's being represented and it's being represented really well. The IP holders have to have last say over the representation of their brand, and that's fair enough, so we've always got to have a method for people misusing a brand, but what's been really lovely is how well represented so many brands are.

Maybe they figured...


Guy 1: Hey, if we say that Nintendo whitelisted the use of Mario, we'll just end up with thousands of Mario clones.

Guy 2: Yeah. Let's keep that quiet.

...and it worked - there's only hundreds of Mario clones. 		2012-04-03 15:39:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

See, now I understand what your saying. I am going to take my "idiot" comment back. I'm just a bit knocked by this sudden info but I'm a bit more over it now. Sorry about that. I get what your saying now. Now lets stop this, and not start a flame war

Ok, but next time make sure of what you're saying and why.		2012-04-03 15:46:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I'm sure there are many 'shades of gray' between overlooking copyvio and filing a lawsuit, although I doubt you'll get anything concrete from Sony...

oh i wouldn't doubt that Nintendo had no problems... before. WiiU is round the corner and LBP is about to promote the opposing teams handheld. it would be advisable to sever the link before the opposition has time to promote LBPVita and of course: LBPKarting! I think the finger favours Nintendo at the moment, but it's only speculation

if this is going to effect any LBP franchise, i suspect it's more likely to impact LBPKarting.		2012-04-03 15:55:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

If I understand this correctly, classic games such as Tetris , card games, and so on are exempt from this rule, am I correct?2012-04-06 16:19:00

Author:
synchronizer
Posts: 287

If I understand this correctly, classic games such as Tetris , card games, and so on are exempt from this rule, am I correct?

Typically, the duration of copyright is the whole life of the creator plus fifty to a hundred years from the creator's death, so Tetris would not be exempt, but most cards games would.		2012-04-06 18:43:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

If I understand this correctly, classic games such as Tetris , card games, and so on are exempt from this rule, am I correct?

Tetris is IP owned by EA, right before they published there game on AppStore when it was just opened they wiped out all tetris games from it, including Tris which was tetris from Jailbreak community made before AppStore... and i still got it at on my non-JB iPod touch ;]

I think changing name would work i think, there many common puzzle games that are branded, like Bejeweled for example		2012-04-06 23:29:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

We know that a lot of creators have a huge desire to be featured in the Mm Picks and will continue to pursue that ultimate goal.

However it's worth remembering that no matter how much we love the level (and believe me, there's some levels that are completely astounding to us), your level isn't likely to be Mm Picked, if you use a video game, movie or comic book character or franchise that isn't Sackboy, LittleBigPlanet or your own personal creation.


Besides which, I personally believe that Sackboy is the only hero that LittleBigPlanet will ever need!

I have a question about this: If I publish any level that breaks this rule and publish an Mm Pick worthy level, will that cook my chances of being Mm Picked?		2012-04-07 06:06:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I have a question about this: If I publish any level that breaks this rule and publish an Mm Pick worthy level, will that cook my chances of being Mm Picked?

yep, it will never get picked. the thing is, this has always been there and for those who remember caused quite a stink when LBP first released. but it died down largely because a lot of publishers and devs realised that LBP was actually promoting their levels.

with LBP2 the community has been able to create copies of games that resemble the original quite closely. i have been wondering for quite some time now just when those devs/pub that supported MM would get cold feet and i reckon it's about now. LBPkarting has just been announced too (that's the big hint for me).

now ask yourself: what is the most famous platformer and what is the most famous cart racer? and which company is the biggest enemy of Sony? i think we'll find out that Nintendo are the main reason for this sudden announcement. and i think you'll find that the real culprit for this is not LBP2 but LBPVita. a handheld and a console playing near perfect copies of both their most popular franchises? yeah, they're going to get shivers thinking of that one

this was inevitable though. every time LBP improves we get closer to the possibility of creating anything, perfectly. i wonder if the time will eventually come when we can trademark our own creations? if someone uses your idea in a game, shouldn't you get a percentage of what that game makes?

and that's also what Nintendo would have been thinking		2012-04-07 14:40:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I have a question about this: If I publish any level that breaks this rule and publish an Mm Pick worthy level, will that cook my chances of being Mm Picked?

If you're referring to two entirely seperate levels, then no.
Your other creations will not affect the chances of the individual level being selected for an Mm Pick. 		2012-04-07 14:48:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

Then there's only one thing to do.

Make DLC packs of every movie and video game ever made.
Might I suggest you work on a Monster Hunter costume pack first? 		2012-04-07 14:52:00

Author:
Tmjtk
Posts: 258

Make DLC packs of every movie and video game ever made.

Do you know how long that would take? 0_0		2012-04-07 15:30:00

Author:
zzmorg82
Posts: 948

I've always wondered about this, so it's nice to know. Shame, it means my Doodle Jump level will never be picked (though I played it again last night, it's awful anyway ).2012-04-07 16:47:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

I'm just going to drop this quote in here because I think it may be helpful to inform a wider audience.
http://www.littlebigplanetarium.com/topic/3520-mm-picks-and-copyright/page__view__findpost__p__34813


@steveni i sent you a link to an easter level. Right before the Mmpicks were published. When i saw there were Mmpicks i was a bit shocked since we put are all into it.


That's the main problem there, especially when it comes to seasonal levels.

If you publish the level just before the seasonal holiday or even on the holiday in question itself, then I literally will not have a chance to find and play the level to be able to potentially select it as an Mm Pick.

It's worth bearing that in mind, in future.
If you have a seasonal level that you want not only myself but the rest of the community to see, I would definitely advise you to publish the level at least a week or two before the day itself.

If you publish it on the day itself, you may find that the community are a tad busy celebrating the occassion and if it's a holiday, I may not even be in the office to be able to pick the level.


Although this of course is all going on the assumption that I would be selecting the level for an Mm Pick in the first place, when there's a much higher probability that I may not anyway.		2012-04-07 22:26:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

Well, that cleared things up. Not that it was hard to understand in the first place. No DLC on copyrighted topic, no level. Simple.2012-04-08 01:47:00

Author:
Undarivik
Posts: 442

I know there won't be a DLC about South Park. It's not only Viacom protected, but it's too inappropriate for the target audience of LBP.2012-04-08 04:45:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

...but it's too inappropriate for the target audience of LBP.
That didn't stop the Heavy Rain DLC. That game is definitely not kid-friendly.		2012-04-08 05:02:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

That didn't stop the Heavy Rain DLC. That game is definitely not kid-friendly.

I didn't know that, but South Park isn't just inappropriate; it's offensive. Is Heavy Rain offensive?		2012-04-08 05:27:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

I didn't know that, but South Park isn't just inappropriate; it's offensive. Is Heavy Rain offensive?

Yep In some instances it can. Play through the whole game.		2012-04-09 06:11:00

Author:
Unknown User

Yep In some instances it can. Play through the whole game.

I never played Heavy Rain, but what I'm trying to say is that South Park has rediclued celebrities and came up with some stupid things nobody could ever come up with. The language, the offensiveness, and the Viacom protection makes three reasons why a South Park level will never get Mm Picked.		2012-04-09 07:01:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Here's to hoping this turns people onto conjuring up more original ideas.

I know LBP2 is open to a great many possibilities, but the amount of levels and projects I've seen recreating, based on, or heavily inspired by other games or films makes me feel that the concept may be just a little over saturated.

That said, I understand that a lot of dedication and hard work goes into these projects.		2012-04-09 08:50:00

Author:
Ryuhza
Posts: 355

I've always wondered about this, so it's nice to know. Shame, it means my Doodle Jump level will never be picked (though I played it again last night, it's awful anyway ).

Call it Sketch Leap.		2012-04-09 09:53:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

I never played Heavy Rain, but what I'm trying to say is that South Park has rediclued celebrities and came up with some stupid things nobody could ever come up with. The language, the offensiveness, and the Viacom protection makes three reasons why a South Park level will never get Mm Picked.

but only if you assume that a South Park level would have to be offensive. why?		2012-04-09 16:58:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

but only if you assume that a South Park level would have to be offensive. why?

It's okay to make a South Park level. It's just a reference to an offensive show. I'm also trying to say that Mm will never make a South Park DLC, especially with pins. Of course, no DLC pack but the Muppets are based off of a TV show.		2012-04-09 17:27:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

Call it Sketch Leap.

Genius! That'll get it picked for sure 		2012-04-09 17:36:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

Quick question - Cubefield is a remake of an online game... does that not come under these Copyright restrictions?2012-04-13 14:33:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Quick question - Cubefield is a remake of an online game... does that not come under these Copyright restrictions?

The copyright restrictions are not an absolute and as I stated in my original post, there will occassionally be exceptions.
It just means that levels are less likely to be picked, if they're based off of other properties.

It really depends on a case per case basis and ultimately it's a call that I'll need to make at the time of selecting the picks.

The purpose of this thread was mainly to advise people that using copyrighted content may be the issue that is preventing a level from receiving an Mm Pick and therefore to recommend steering clear of such content, if you're truly pursuing an Mm Pick.

Although let's not forget that being selected for an Mm Pick is by no means an easy feat in the first place. 		2012-04-13 14:45:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

The copyright restrictions are not an absolute and as I stated in my original post, there will occassionally be exceptions.
It just means that levels are less likely to be picked, if they're based off of other properties.

It really depends on a case per case basis and ultimately it's a call that I'll need to make at the time of selecting the picks.

The purpose of this thread was mainly to advise people that using copyrighted content may be the issue that is preventing a level from receiving an Mm Pick and therefore to recommend steering clear of such content, if you're truly pursuing an Mm Pick.

Although let's not forget that being selected for an Mm Pick is by no means an easy feat in the first place.

Ok, thanks. My initial assumption was that the Copyright restrictions were gonna be mainly for the bigger franchise - other PS3 games, movies etc. I'm fairly certain the orginal creator of Cubefield would be happy that his/her game was remade and MM picked. 		2012-04-13 15:10:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Too bad I want to cover this.
It seems appropriate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyxLGSMtqtM		2012-05-05 08:44:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Lol its ironic how StevenI said, copyrighted stuff dont get Mm Picked when he have picked 2 levels of Titanic..2012-05-05 09:39:00

Author:
Nazar_Ops
Posts: 175

He also said that it was a decision based on feedback from grumpy intellectual property owners. Must be James Cameron hasn't sent Sackboy a nasty letter yet. 2012-05-05 20:20:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

Oh thats interesting Probably studio then Cameron 2012-05-05 22:18:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Lol its ironic how StevenI said, copyrighted stuff dont get Mm Picked when he have picked 2 levels of Titanic..

Yeah.. but Titanic was a real ship with a movie made about it. I think those were probably levels about the ship and not the movie or am I mistaken?		2012-05-06 00:37:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

So does this mean that some, if not most, of the LBN Tribute levels have absolutely no chance of being Mm Picked? 2012-05-06 01:26:00

Author:
Night Angel
Posts: 1214

So does this mean that some, if not most, of the LBN Tribute levels have absolutely no chance of being Mm Picked?

What does LBN stand for? And why won't they pick them.		2012-05-06 03:34:00

Author:
Apple2012
Posts: 1408

So does this mean that some, if not most, of the LBN Tribute levels have absolutely no chance of being Mm Picked?

I think it means; don't make the stage with the intention or expectation of getting an Mm pick, although it may be picked.

But if it is amazing and it doesn't, it doesn't automatically mean it's some sort of conspiracy.		2012-05-06 03:43:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

Lol its ironic how StevenI said, copyrighted stuff dont get Mm Picked when he have picked 2 levels of Titanic..

So one of the most famous disasters in history that just had loads of media coverage for its 100th anniversary and you think it's just a 15 year old film?		2012-05-06 11:23:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

So one of the most famous disasters in history that just had loads of media coverage for its 100th anniversary and you think it's just a 15 year old film?

I don't know about level series but sound track is from the movie and it got picked		2012-05-06 15:37:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

But then why would you guys MM Pick this level?! http://lbp.me/v/-cdvhq (It was made to be the computer game called CubeRunner and the iDevice game!)2012-05-09 03:01:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

But then why would you guys MM Pick this level?! http://lbp.me/v/-cdvhq (It was made to be the computer game called CubeRunner and the iDevice game!)
I think that unless it contains dialogue, text, or images from what's copyrighted, then the level should be in the clear.		2012-05-09 03:06:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

Hey, I was wondering, is the Toyata brand also available? I was thinking of that promotion they did awhile ago, with the Prius. I remember there was a sticker with the Toyota logo on it you can get.2012-05-26 23:24:00

Author:
maddoggnick96
Posts: 272

Hey, I was wondering, is the Toyata brand also available? I was thinking of that promotion they did awhile ago, with the Prius. I remember there was a sticker with the Toyota logo on it you can get.

That was something I made for Sony as part of a partnership trial thingy. At the time, Media Molecule wasn't aware of the project, so I don't think it would classify as licensed content. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, though!		2012-05-26 23:39:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

I think that unless it contains dialogue, text, or images from what's copyrighted, then the level should be in the clear.

Well i would not be sure, look how EA treat Tris on iOS, thru it was something that standed in there way since it was free and they wanted make paid Tetris

Code Runner is free and most likely not formally copyrighted anyway, so i think it's author won't mind. btw historically it was first free game on AppStore (not 100% sure but at least only good one), i remember i download it together with Monkey Ball on opening day of AppStore 		2012-05-27 03:40:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

This whole copyright issue thing is totally flawed. They come out and say that levels will not get picked if they contain copyrighted material.. then a week later they go and pick "Halo" video which contained copyrighted melodies. Then they go and pick that Titanic level which sure.. was based on a true event, but the fact that the song from the copyrighted movie was included seems a little strange.

I feel like employees at Media Molecule have conflicting ideals when it comes to these picks.		2012-05-28 01:13:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Remember the whole story, though: Some intellectual property owner in the video game industry, who obviously does not want to be identified, has complained about the use of their product in LittleBigPlanet. They could force Mm to crack down and remove all offending levels from the system, but that would reveal their identity. We would know who was behind the deletion and Mm wouldn't be the ones seeing torches and pitchforks on the horizon!

So the IP owner allows the infringement to continue on the condition that Mm doesn't glorify it with Mm picks. That brings us to this thread and the news that levels based on unaffiliated video games may not be eligible for a fancy pink border. If we see an Mm pick that does include copyrighted material, all we can really say is that there haven't been any complaints to Mm from that particular owner. If we are very clever, we might determine the secret identities of the aggrieved parties by the process of elimination.

Though I'm not sure that we really need to guess. 		2012-05-28 01:51:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

This whole copyright issue thing is totally flawed. They come out and say that levels will not get picked if they contain copyrighted material.. then a week later they go and pick "Halo" video which contained copyrighted melodies. Then they go and pick that Titanic level which sure.. was based on a true event, but the fact that the song from the copyrighted movie was included seems a little strange.

I feel like employees at Media Molecule have conflicting ideals when it comes to these picks.

I said may not get Mm Picked.

The rules regarding which copyrighted material we're allowed to feature is not an absolute.
The purpose of this thread was to simply advise a small number of creators that primarily use copyrighted materials, that such levels may not have a chance to be Mm Picked due to the nature of their contents.		2012-05-28 17:51:00

Author:
StevenI
Community Manager
Posts: 420

I said may not get Mm Picked.

The rules regarding which copyrighted material we're allowed to feature is not an absolute.
The purpose of this thread was to simply advise a small number of creators that primarily use copyrighted materials, that such levels may not have a chance to be Mm Picked due to the nature of their contents.

Aaah I see now. Thanks for clearing this up. I took the "May not" very lightly. But I still wanna know what's up with those 0 Scores on my levels Steven I sincerely hope my work wasn't THAT bad 		2012-05-29 06:25:00

Author:
Nick930930
Posts: 878

Please answer my question. I'm making a Wizard of Oz level which many people think could get MM Picked. If this is the case If i changed the name from The Wizard of Oz to something like The Wizard of Sack could I then get the MM Pick? Take note that the level has no characters in it like The Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Lion. These character's will appear in other levels as it is a series. The only thing that is in it Is a sequencer version of Somewhere over the Rainbow and the fact you play the role of Dorothy. Thank you please reply.2012-06-10 15:15:00

Author:
gary_WBA
Posts: 61

Obviously,but kids tend to not care and claim everything's worthy of an Mm pick(pointing out copied levels)2012-06-10 15:31:00

Author:
Unknown User

I fill like copying levels too just like some of these kids do mabe ill get some wear xD follow the trends lol lol.2012-06-10 16:02:00

Author:
Lbphart3
Posts: 813

Please answer my question. I'm making a Wizard of Oz level which many people think could get MM Picked. If this is the case If i changed the name from The Wizard of Oz to something like The Wizard of Sack could I then get the MM Pick? Take note that the level has no characters in it like The Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Lion. These character's will appear in other levels as it is a series. The only thing that is in it Is a sequencer version of Somewhere over the Rainbow and the fact you play the role of Dorothy. Thank you please reply.

I don't know the details of the Mm Pick policy, but the source novel, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz), is 112 years old. Its intellectual property rights should be well expired by now. Baum's setting should be no more controversial to use than Shakespeare! Perhaps the same cannot be said for the newer Over the Rainbow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Rainbow), but one imagines that it is very close to being public domain as well.

In any case, this thread was really about video game based intellectual properties. I doubt there would be any complaints if a level based on an old novel or film was Mm picked.

Though if your level is based on the incredibly foul Super Nintendo game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz_%28video_game%29) I will have to file a complaint on principle. 		2012-06-10 18:57:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237

Haahahaha a AVGN fan are we? I've saw that piece of crap Is a discrace to Oz a discrace to Games and a discrace to Mankind. Guess I'm ok then + thanks for replying.2012-06-10 20:06:00

Author:
gary_WBA
Posts: 61

I actually owned the SNES cartridge years before AVGN gave it the correct treatment. It's still around in a box somewhere, hoping never to be found and given to justice. 2012-06-10 21:20:00

Author:
Uncuddly
Posts: 237


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