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Okay...some of you may be wondering (or cheering) about the sudden deleting of the "Mm picks starting to go downhill". I had actually posted a reason why on the thread, but then the thread was deleted (by a moderator who I asked to delete it) before most people could actually get a chance to read it. Well, here's the very last post from the "Mm picks going downhill" thread, explaining why it was deleted. Nothing has been added or omitted. (Wakes up from power nap.) I just wanna prefix this by saying that I have no involvement whatsoever with anything to do with MM picks and all opinions shared here are that of myself etc. etc. blah de blah.... Originally Posted by Kalawishis My point exactly. If another level like Quest for Lucky Charms gets picked, IT IS GOING TO BE BASHED ON BY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. Since we don't expect those community members to suddenly have a change of heart, the only stop to this is to not pick to "pretty good" levels. Interesting point, but kind of a sad defeatest mentality.... So I offer a more positive view, with examples from littlebighisgtory!! So, MM Picks, causing a bit of a ruckus because they are given out too frequently and they are being given to the "wrong" levels. Lot's of valid points all over the place, but let's look from a different angle. This reminds me of the ruckus caused a good while back about a certain gaudy costume piece. namely, the "Competition Winning Crown" *blingie* *blingie* bling ...bling blingie Yes, that one. So, to summarise the history for those that don't know, weren't around at the time or don't generally concern themselves with such silliness, the crown started off as an uber-rare costume piece that was supposed to be given out to competition winners. That's why it's called the "Competition-Winning Crown". However, due to rarity, there was a perceived "value" to it - it was rare, therefore it had bragging rights. But then everything changed (cue grainy black and white thunderstorm footage and clich? "oh noes" music)... MM allowed more fansites to run their competitions, there were "too many" competitions going on, so "too many" crowns, many of those competitions were judged by community members who had "no right" to be judging and were "obviously biassed" and "just giving crowns to their friends". When the sackies came around MM gave crowns to Nominees - shock horror - it's a competition winning corwn, not a competition losing crown!!! They gave out arbitrary crowns, seemingly on a whim, but didn't give out crowns to people who "deserved them for reaching an arbitrary level of perceived awesome". Basically, there were a lot of crowns, the importance of the crown was undermined and it was a big problem.... I'm pretty sure at one point the world was gonna end, or something... Anyway, the point is that that whole episode just blew over... It just went away. The reason why it went away is the same reason this will go away. Because the "problem" is not how many of these things are given out, or for what, the problem stems from expectation, semantics and perceived value. There is currently a perceived value attached to the name "MM Picks" and this is what people expect to continue as the norm. The great thing about perception is that it's completely transient and insubstantial, and in this case, it's based upon norms and averages. The previous norm was that the MM Picks would come sporadically, with a low average frequency, and have this "exceptional" level of quality (as determined by the ACME trademarked qualitometer). That's changed now, the timing is more consistent and the frequency is increased. More stuff is getting picked and some of it is "lower quality". But if this continues, then that becomes the norm. It becomes the expectation and after quite a short period of time, the expectation matches reality and everyone gets their knickers untwisted and forgets what the problem was in the first place. Or maybe not, but people's expectations come closer in line with the new reality and that makes things better. So going back to the OPs point: Originally Posted by Kalawishis Since we don't expect those community members to suddenly have a change of heart, the only stop to this is to not pick to "pretty good" levels. I don't expect those community members to have a sudden change of heart, but I expect them to have a slow and gradual change of heart, so there is not one, but two options here: We Accept that Trolls run the interwebs and give into their abusive nature to protect a small number of creators We ignore them on the basis that they will probably tire themselves out eventually and we can all start having a good time again If we go for 1, we have an instant response, so it has appeal. If we go for 2, we change the semantics of "MM Pick", everything settles down over a time and everyone comes out better: More levels are picked, so more people get picked and get exposure. There are mode levels to play from the picks list, so people can more easily find good stuff to play. Stuff is getting picked at regular intervals, so there is new picked content for peak times (the weekend). That's good. Long term, everybody wins. MM Picks becomes what it should be, a list of levels that MM have picked because they are probably worth checking out. Yes, a couple of people have to put up with Trolls in the mean time and that is sad, it shouldn't be the case, but this is the Internet, and kind-heartedness is a rare commodity. It is a bit of a sacrifice, but if you let the trolls define the future everyone loses out. And finally, I know my glimmering vision of the future glosses over the issue that "not every pick-worthy level gets picked", but there is no way around that, without frequent human sacrifices and incessant chanting, which is both messy, an awful lot of effort and creates far to much noise to be viable... Oh god, I have to read all this? Eh. It's not much longer than the stuff I write. So, rtm223, you have actually convinced me. All of your points were excellent, yes, but it was the crown history that really changed my beliefs. I had only discovered lbpcentral this year, and was quite oblivious to the current events of LBP1 when I was playing it, so I never really thought much about the crown thing. Well, now I know. I guess that people can accept Mm mixing the pretty good with the excellent, even though it may take some time and cause some blood shed. If I were more aware about the crown thing, I think I would have been upset about that; then, as time went by, I would see that there isn't really much to be upset about. I guess history can repeat. Why, if only somebody told me about this sooner! Yes, I know I sound extremely stupid, bear with me. It was all the idiocy and hate, and the horrible "Mm picks what Mm likes," arguments all the time that had made me even more firm in my beliefs. I had started this thread, fresh from the bandwagon of all the others who were upset about Sackboy's Quest for Lucky Charms, thinking I could convince a lot of people and maybe influence Mm a bit. Every off-topic posts made me think, "these people, can't even discuss something without becoming off-topic", and making me even more firm. Every "Mm picks what Mm likes" argument made me think, "these people, they can't think of new arguments", making me yet even more firm. And as for the hate-let's just say that Antikris' post made my beliefs firmer than light matter glued to dark matter with an anti-gravity tweaker set to 100% dampening on it-in pause mode, and not even having exited my popit yet. Intelligence in part two and occasionally in part 1 only wavered my beliefs somewhat. Eventually, as I realized I couldn't really convince you guys, I stopped having so much energy with the thread. I gave up entirely at the WTF llama. I still believed, but I didn't believe I could get you to believe. Then rtm223 came along, and I-well his argument was impeccable. Amazing. He didn't say "Mm picks what Mm likes", once, in a thread where I think you people said it 50 times, and, he convinced me. Period. He probably had the best argument in the entire thread, but, again, it was the crown part that really convinced me. I thought that if only I had knowledge about the conflict with the crowns, there would be no thread. Well, this is just feeling pointless. All my points, arguments, beliefs, all in this thread, are now pretty darn pointless. This whole thread was pointless. I mean, I would still like it if Mm had quality control, but now, looking back, making an entire thread devoted to making Mm do this seemed a little silly. Well, I am giving up on this thread, and devoting attention to my other thread, "LBP2: Advanced Edition for the PS4", which is completely devoid of emotion (except for maybe a trace of enthusiasm here and there), is about a topic many of you can post on without getting angry or off topic, and is a lot more interesting than this one. I will ask a moderator to destroy this thread, and if they can't do that, I'll just ask one to lock it. One last thing. For all those who will probably think that I just made this thread as a means to get attention, or to get you all to fight; well I can't convince you otherwise, but I can tell you that you are wrong. Wrong, because I know personally firsthand that I did NOT make this thread because of that. How? Well, it's my thoughts, and I can be pretty darn sure about what I think. That is the truth. Ahem: "Mr./Mrs. Moderator, tear down this thread." I'm also going to PM one, in case they don't see this. So there you have it. I'll keep this thread for 2-4 days, so most people can read it, then I'll delete it.

2012-03-27 01:54:00 Author: Kalawishis Posts: 928

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Ummm dear,Dear me...So ummm i seen most of this was about a crown probblem and that the other thread was tacken down.lol I had know clue the judges was doing such thing's,So all this time im entering the contest's and there giveing it to some one like there friends Oh,Oh what a joy this is. And to really think how hard iv worked -__-So your saying that Mm is picking There friends or we can call them friends,?? And there not giveing randome people a chance? And they picked The lucky charms level to Ummm to be like hay we think this levels graet? to make it look like there not picking there friends? I liked the lucky charm level he just needs to change the block's.But i do fear people will do this again...I'd like to make something that Would spark Mm to pick a level of mine but,I fear people will do to me like they did to the lucky charms thread Mm pick thing and then come to my profile on lbp2 and talk badly about me,I fear being Mm picked rather than looking forward to it.

2012-03-27 02:52:00 Author: Lbphart3 Posts: 813

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Ummm dear,Dear me...So ummm i seen most of this was about a crown probblem and that the other thread was tacken down.lol I had know clue the judges was doing such thing's,So all this time im entering the contest's and there giveing it to some one like there friends Oh,Oh what a joy this is. And to really think how hard iv worked -__-So your saying that Mm is picking There friends or we can call them friends,?? And there not giveing randome people a chance? And they picked The lucky charms level to Ummm to be like hay we think this levels graet? to make it look like there not picking there friends?. Seems like you read the post the COMPLETELY wrong way. If you think MM is only picking "their friends" then you are sadly mistaken.

2012-03-27 02:57:00 Author: DreJ1212 Posts: 240

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I had know clue the judges was doing such thing's,So all this time im entering the contest's and there giveing it to some one like there friends Oh,Oh what a joy this is. rtm was being sarcastic. Those things he said in quotes were what others believed, but were not true. You misread his post. Feel free to read again. Contests ran here on LBPC are judge very fairly... no need to worry.

2012-03-27 03:00:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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One creator made a level called The Truth about Mm Picks. That level got moderated.

2012-03-27 03:01:00 Author: Apple2012 Posts: 1408

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Lol Well i'm going by what hes saying DEAR dreJ1212..No need to Screem hahaha :o I'll go back and re-read again. I dont see any thing that said quotes' he may have sounded sarcastic.But I'm only responding how i took it,And why was there a need to make a new thread same thread be had made befor? lol

2012-03-27 03:11:00 Author: Lbphart3 Posts: 813

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As i said in thread before, im not sure about other judges since we are independent and each have there standards and opinions, but i'm not looking who made a level just how it is made ;]

2012-03-27 03:15:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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Don't worry I wasn't trying to scream or anything, though the caps in my post did make it seem a bit obnoxious. Anyway, jwwphotos basically covered what I was trying to say, so that should clear everything up.

2012-03-27 03:18:00 Author: DreJ1212 Posts: 240

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*Exhales Deeply* So NOW can we bury the hatchet and be finished with the subject? Hurray!

2012-03-27 03:25:00 Author: grayspence Posts: 1990

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Don't worry I wasn't trying to scream or anything, though the caps in my post did make it seem a bit obnoxious. Anyway, jwwphotos basically covered what I was trying to say, so that should clear everything up. its ok lol I forgive you. I think i under stand. Shadowriver haha i didn't say any thing about judges judgeing a level lol lol lol

2012-03-27 03:26:00 Author: Lbphart3 Posts: 813

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http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-sweating(b).gif I'd give a plausible answer to this thread but this kind of topic has been done so much and addressed so well by others that I'd rather not put in a comment other than, you're pretty much just gonna have to deal with it. May be sad, but truth hurts. Sorry, I just don't feel like writing a forum essay today anyways.

2012-03-27 04:33:00 Author: Fang Posts: 578

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For all those who will probably think that I just made this thread as a means to get attention ... *voice of disappointment* Long time I thought about mentioned thread as a thread with a goal and believe in your maturity and seriousness. Finally, with explosiveness and whimsicality of your decision to delete it, you show that attracting attention is your only goal.

2012-03-27 08:36:00 Author: goranilic Posts: 332

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Long time I thought about mentioned thread as a thread with a goal and believe in your maturity and seriousness. Finally, with explosiveness and whimsicality of your decision to delete it, you show that attracting attention is your only goal. I wonder-were you once of my supporters, against me, or neutral? The only post on the thread by you was about agreeing about biorouge about Antikris. You did thank my opening post though... I'm sorry. I guess people who did agree with me and my points could fell betrayed.PPp_Killer, who was the only person who agreed with me on multiple points and argued WITH me, might feel betrayed. He was probably my favorite poster on the entire thread, up there with CYMBOL, Alley_Cat_8633, rtm223, (even though they both only posted once) and CCubbage. I mean, it's like believing something strongly and then suddenly realizing that it's wrong. The decision to delete was not simply something explosive or whimsical to get attention. It was, in my opinion (which, I have realized, isn't really that good sometimes), the best thing to do. Locking it would only preserve the thread so many had loathed. 50% of the posting people, I could tell, especially those who used hate, and those who went off topic, didn't like the thread. People welcomed off-topic posts. Many stated outright that they thought the thread was immature. So, I thought by locking it, yes, the thread many loathed would slip off page one, then into page two, and so on, but it would still be there. So, I had the thread deleted.

2012-03-27 13:45:00 Author: Kalawishis Posts: 928

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I basically said the same thing as rtm (granted, I didn't think of the crown example), except more concise. Maybe people give more credibility towards walls of text? But seriously, still a shame it's deleted. A lock would have been better, so other people could learn from it and not start another one of these in the future.

2012-03-27 13:54:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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I'm in agreement with goranilic. It's also pretty poor form to come on a forum, start a thread and get people to pour their thoughts and ideas into it for 10 pages, only to have you start changing posts and then haphazardly deleting the whole dialog.

2012-03-27 13:57:00 Author: Chazprime Posts: 587

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If somebody disaggre does not mean they hate :> but yea your thread sounded serious... little too serious for a game issue, so thats why some poeple start joking

2012-03-27 14:34:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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I wonder-were you once of my supporters, against me, or neutral? The only post on the thread by you was about agreeing about biorouge about Antikris. You did thank my opening post though... One discussion for me is not a matter of whether I support someone or other. I support certain thoughts, not persons, and that you could see in "thank"s I gave, and in the short post I wrote. Deleted discussion in a large percentage was good "on both sides" (i think there were more "sides", but doesn't matter) and should be preserved. I also don't understand why the admin / mod agreed to delete it. Everything else said chazprime: It's also pretty poor form to come on a forum, start a thread and get people to pour their thoughts and ideas into it for 10 pages, only to have you start changing posts and then haphazardly deleting the whole dialog.

2012-03-27 14:46:00 Author: goranilic Posts: 332

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I also don't understand why the admin / mod agreed to delete it. It isn't a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. The OP requested his thread be deleted. We don't force someone to keep a thread they created up.

2012-03-27 15:09:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458

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I don't think a thread is worthy of getting so worked up about. It was only controlled, thoughtful debate. If it were on--say--Youtube, then it'd probably be crazy. I personally don't think some of us were getting too "off topic", because if we were, the thread would have been locked for spamming long ago. At least I think that's what it is. However, respecting others' opinions is always good in discussion, because the others don't feel forever alone or ignored. Nobody hates anyone, and I honestly thought it was an interesting topic. Questioning things is cool, but only to a certain point.

2012-03-27 15:47:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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It isn't a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. The OP requested his thread be deleted. We don't force someone to keep a thread they created up. OK, I understand this is the policy of the site. But by deleting not only OP's posts disappears, but also 10 pages others thoughts. The topic is pretty completed, and now it's quite possible that someone else will start it again in a new (unnecessary) thread. Or, hypothetically, there may have been useful informations for the community, deleting makes them inaccessible forever . Just for consideration.

2012-03-27 16:10:00 Author: goranilic Posts: 332

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To the OP. No big deal about having the old thread deleted I suppose, but I don't quite understand what this one is for. If you were going to make a new one, why not post your last thought and have that one locked. .. but I'm glad that you seem to have had a change of heart. We are here to have fun and help others. Oh... and make fun of Spaff.

2012-03-27 16:52:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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What rtm said makes sense. It always does. I'm gonna miss the llamas, though.... it's a shame to waste a great llama on a deleted thread. So... to sum up the last thread in a concise manner with a quote from George Harrison.... "All Things Must Pass"

2012-03-27 17:48:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Not sure it's such a good thing for the community to admit that rtm changed your mind...he's going to develop a god-complex. Anyway, he basically ousted Steven's diabolical plan of slowly conditioning the community to not expect much from MmPicks. Soon we'll all start drooling whenever the new picks are posted. The "llama" things were bizzare...I thought they were dinosaurs?!?

2012-03-27 19:43:00 Author: fullofwin Posts: 1214

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So let's get this straight: you wanted a thread to be deleted thinking there was nothing else to discuss about it. Once it got deleted, you got worried about the people who didn't have the chance to read the last posts so you opened another thread about the exact same thing, but now without the context that lead to its sudden conclusion. I fail to see the logic behind this. Tons of people took the time to express their opinions and take part on an interesting discussion, and you just get it all deleted it for no reason. Has it ocurred to you that maybe someone still had something to say? That the debate had become much more than just "convincing" you? That someone in the future might find it interesting to read, wether it's still active or not?

2012-03-27 20:05:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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@Kalawishis My replies to the original thread were far from exemplary, this I will admit. You witnessed me expressing cropped up anger about something and someone that have nothing directly to do with you. Though I do not distance myself from the arguments I have put forth, I do retract the personal insults that I directed your way. For those I apologize. I am sorry. I am glad that you have come to see things from a different light. I think you should moderate your review of Sackboy's Quest for Lucky Charms. Not Asking you to apologize for it or to censor yourself - and it is all up to your discretion - but I see no use of leaving something behind that no longer represents your point of view, something that could lead other players astray, something that could hurt the creator of that level and frighten others from ever seeking attention with their creative works. Now let's get back to stuff that matters more.

2012-03-27 20:13:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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I want to quote Spaff's llamas but now I can't. My day is ruined. I hope you're happy OP.

2012-03-27 20:28:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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Not sure it's such a good thing for the community to admit that rtm changed your mind...he's going to develop a god-complex. Yes, "Develop"... Anyway, he basically ousted Steven's diabolical plan of slowly conditioning the community to not expect much from MmPicks. Soon we'll all start drooling whenever the new picks are posted. Actually, due to the precision timing, you'll soon start drooling 15 minutes before... That's how you'll know to obediently switch on your PS3 and sit, drooling all over your controllers, hands and lap as you wait for the notifications. Drooled-on DualShock and Move controllers break quicker, so expect weekly spikes in PS3 peripheral sales starting in a couple of months. Steven is a marketing mastermind, don'tcha know.

2012-03-27 20:35:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/jemina1994/Greenllama.gif Found it :] I don't see the point in deleteing a thread and makeing a nother one lol And you have plans to delete this one too in a few days?

2012-03-27 20:45:00 Author: Lbphart3 Posts: 813

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I understand that you would want the thread to be locked, since people who might be making a similar thread could read it and change their minds. But if it's locked, it will eventually slip off page one and then into page 2,3,4,5,6, and so on. How many people go back there? I'm not sure, but it's definitely a lot less then page one. Maybe nobody does. So basically, it won't do much to stop the new threads. Also, I somewhat regret my opinions now. Many of my earlier posts were probably hurtful to the creator of Sackboy's Quest for Lucky Charms. I can edit that out (like my review, which I should probably edit now), but that would put it at odds with many replies, which were simply about that. Though, after reading your posts...I guess I do regret the deletion quite a bit. While most of part 1 and part 3 I would happily delete, the intelligent part 2 is something that I, if I had thought about it more, would not delete. Looking back now, I suppose we could have used it as some sort of moral lesson, but still, it would slip off the front pages and not many people would read it. Yes, not many is better than zero, and that's the primary source of the regret... I am just a mess this week.

2012-03-27 21:31:00 Author: Kalawishis Posts: 928

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[QUOTE=Kalawishis;991760I am just a mess this week.[/QUOTE] Nah just human... we are all guilty of that every so often. No worries. ...and maybe a llama hater. http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/jemina1994/Greenllama.gif

2012-03-27 21:34:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Also, xkappax had the right idea. It's really just a game. We create and play other people's levels and have fun and that's it. After reading the thread, though, with all the discord and arguing, it seemed more like a political subject. My whole argument was blown out of porportion, created when I was really angry, and that's what you all replied to. I kinda felt guilty starting some near-thread war, and I though the whole thing would be better put behind us completely. Still, though, yeah. I do regret it partially.

2012-03-27 21:39:00 Author: Kalawishis Posts: 928

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It's also pretty poor form to come on a forum, start a thread and get people to pour their thoughts and ideas into it for 10 pages, only to have you start changing posts and then haphazardly deleting the whole dialog. I concur, and since the OP has suggested this thread will eventually be deleted, I'll lock this now to save any more wasted effort. OK, I understand this is the policy of the site. But by deleting not only OP's posts disappears, but also 10 pages others thoughts. Sure, but the site policy is not set in stone, so if the idea that the thread starter effectively being able to delete all replies to their thread gives them too much power, then start a poll in the Site Feedback forum, and if enough people agree, we can change the policy. Bear in mind, it would also necessitate the removal of the "Can Delete Own Threads" permission you get with any of the bundles, and the moderation staff would decide whether requests for thread deletions will be fulfilled. ...after reading your posts...I guess I do regret the deletion quite a bit. Nothing's ever really deleted, it's just marked as such, but it's still visible to moderators, hence why I was able to post this (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=66251-LBPC-s-Awesome-Quote-Archive-III&p=991593#post991593). So if you feel it makes more sense to restore it (in a locked state, or not) then send me a PM and I'll make it so. Original thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=68955-Mm-Picks-starting-to-go-downhill.) undeleted and locked by request of OP.

2012-03-28 09:19:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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