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is sony failing?

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If you notice sony had failed a bit that you might remember. 1. hacking of psn. basically this was a let down that someone hacked it which shutted down psp for months last year. 2. ps vita sales. it's not doing all that well right now i hope it will get better on it. and 3. tester ep. 1-3 season 3. egorapter had been kicked out of the show and the show haves more hates than likes for 1 and 3 ( im not sure about 2 cause it was for a mature age { i don't have a youtube account}) tell me what you think. It could be the right thing or bad thing or just sony did bad moves or right moves. in my opinion i think sony just did some bad moves. sure the hacking isn't their fault but my friends keep on telling me that the xbox is more secured and i'll take their word for it. im sure that sony will do good moves in the future but this time is not so hot.

2012-03-07 06:08:00

Author:
Sunbunny23
Posts: 995

Eh, the entire game industry's been pretty meh lately, imo.
Other than a good game here and there's really been nothing "great' on any of the consoles for a while.		2012-03-07 09:47:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I don't think Sony did themselves any favours with the over-complex internal architecture and retarded memory management of the PS3, which alienated a lot of developers and made multi-platform development a nightmare for them. Guess they were just trying to be "different", but hopefully they'll learn their lesson in time for PS4.2012-03-07 11:11:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

is sony failing?

Well, I guess most people would consider a $1.1 billion annual net loss (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/02/sony-predicts-full-year-loss) to be a bit of a failure.



1. hacking of psn.
[...]

The PSN hack cost them about $180 million, but the most significant costs were the floods in Thailand...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2011/11/2/1320228549753/Sony-factory-submerged-by-006.jpg

...which cost them about $300 million, and the earthquake/tsunami in Japan...

http://www.alexhofford.com/temp/files/Sony-JapanEarthquakeTsunami2011-005.jpg

...which set them back about $250 million.		2012-03-07 13:58:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

I wonder, if Sony were to hypothetically go bust then where would the future of LBP lie?2012-03-07 14:34:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I wonder, if Sony were to hypothetically go bust then where would the future of LBP lie?

Coming 12/21/12......		2012-03-07 14:46:00

Author:
flyinhawaiian
Posts: 357

Sony's just stubborn. They just learn when their mistakes cost them money, and sometimes even then they just can't admit they did something wrong. For years they have been trying to shoehorn new storage devices into the market and always failed. Betamax, UMD, Memory Stick Duo and now the Vita cards. They just can't say "alright, we have been doing this stuff wrong all the time. Let's move on". As Ungreth said, they didn't make the PS3 developer-friendly but they still can't admit it.

But I don't think they'll go down unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong. I mean, user data was leaked when the PSN was hacked and they survived that. They're idiots, but they're smart enough to buy first-party companies that make great games. That's what has been keeping the PS brand alive.		2012-03-07 14:57:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

But I don't think they'll go down unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong.
Yeah...*beeping noise at sony* What the *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM* MWHAHAHAH!!!!! MWHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!"		2012-03-07 21:55:00

Author:
Sunbunny23
Posts: 995

I'm okay with sony right now. At least they don't make as many bad mistakes as Nintendo does. I hate the people that run the american PSN store though. They don't update it until 8 PM. but yeah, you can't blame Sony that much, considering how rough their last year has been (Floods, tsunami, etc)

At least PS3 users don't pay $50 a year for online.		2012-03-07 22:08:00

Author:
TheMonkeyBlade
Posts: 687

And another thing, even if the Playstation brand goes kaput and they stop making consoles, Sony could still exist in the videogame market as a publisher, like Sega. They have loads of first-party studios so Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and others wouldn't stop making games. They'd only pass onto another platform(s). They wouldn't have to worry with consoles, hardware, networks, contracts with other publishers, updates and stuff and could focus solely on making games.2012-03-08 14:01:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Sony's Money
I don't understand what all the hype is about, especially the billion dollar losses that they had-their profit margin allows them to lose a 'large amount' (to us) when really it hardly effects them at all, their profit margin is around 100 billion. There's nothing to worry about. Nintendo on the other hand only lost $250 million a quarter of a billion, which hurt them a lot. Their profit margin is much lower, more like only a couple billion. Sony isn't hurting.

PS Vita
Give it a chance. Even though you said it's not doing that well, you gave us no proof whatsoever. I love mine. My friend loves his, and there's about 100 people (of 2000) at my school who currently own a Vita. I'd say that there's nothing to worry about.

XBox is Secure
Yes, their network is more secure that PSN's, but not near as protected as the US Governments, and several other government properties that got hacked BY THE SAME GROUP: ANONYMOUS. Therefore they could easily get hacked. Anonymous know what they're doing so dont do saying that XBox Live is 'unhackable.'

Sony is doing great.		2012-03-09 14:44:00

Author:
xtremesackboy
Posts: 479

Eh, the entire game industry's been pretty meh lately, imo.
Other than a good game here and there's really been nothing "great' on any of the consoles for a while.

Actually PC gaming has seen an increase in revenue over the last few years.

/master race		2012-03-09 15:25:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well, there are many things that they couldn't help. Specifically the flood and earthquake. The hacker business (IMO) was handled well, because I didn't hear about anyone's privacy, info, or profile being violated. Also, many more PS3 units are being sold than earlier. Sadly, the Vita isn't doing so good, and it's suffering a fate similar to the beginnings of the PS3. However, I'm sure they're smart enough to learn from their mistakes and try to be more efficient with their money. The only reason I think they stick high costs on new things is because of their unfortunate money loss. They can't make something good without enough money, so they need it quick. Their internet is free, which might also be a setback for money. However, that draws in more players because THEIR money isn't sapped by paying the internet. Sony's just been unfortunate. It's run into a lot of setbacks; powerful ones. Hopefully they'll get back on their feet.2012-03-10 15:00:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

People watching the Tester are dumb. Only because Egoraptor got kicked out (dumb reason) they cry like there's no tomorrow. That show and its viewers are stupid.2012-03-10 22:06:00

Author:
AbdiHMA
Posts: 86

Sony's Money
I don't understand what all the hype is about, especially the billion dollar losses that they had-their profit margin allows them to lose a 'large amount' (to us) when really it hardly effects them at all, their profit margin is around 100 billion. There's nothing to worry about. Nintendo on the other hand only lost $250 million a quarter of a billion, which hurt them a lot. Their profit margin is much lower, more like only a couple billion. Sony isn't hurting.

PS Vita
Give it a chance. Even though you said it's not doing that well, you gave us no proof whatsoever. I love mine. My friend loves his, and there's about 100 people (of 2000) at my school who currently own a Vita. I'd say that there's nothing to worry about.


the proof is here. the vita isn't selling well as the others if you seen the first week sells here.
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd387/sparks98765/Global-4.png
also there is different sony companies. there is a sony for TVs. and there is a sony for gaming. im not sure about the 3rd one. i forgot the name but there should be a 3rd. they all work together but if your talking about just 1 sony ( which is the gaming one ) then that could be a fail of loosing a billion dollars.





People watching the Tester are dumb. Only because Egoraptor got kicked out (dumb reason) they cry like there's no tomorrow. That show and its viewers are stupid.

it's funny how the show views drop like 60% ever since ego got kicked out.		2012-03-11 19:03:00

Author:
Sunbunny23
Posts: 995

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd387/sparks98765/Global-4.png

So, taking into account the launch prices, that's...

Nintendo DS: 1.34 x $150 = $201 million
Sony PSP: 1.25 x $200 = $250 million
Nintendo 3DS: 1.24 x $250 = $310 million
Sony PS Vita: 1.1 x $275* = $303 million

...making the Vita the second most successful in terms of first-week sales revenues, and 97% as successful as the 3DS.

Still, the real measure of success is whether Sony can get decent sales on the actual games, which is where the bulk of the profit will actually come from.



* Based on the observation that the sales of $250 Wifi and $300 3G variants are split approximately 50/50 (http://andriasang.com/con03o/media_create_stats/).		2012-03-11 20:39:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

the proof is here. the vita isn't selling well as the others if you seen the first week sells here.
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd387/sparks98765/Global-4.png

Dude, the difference isn't as bad as it looks in that picture, and you know why? See how the meter doesn't start on the number zero, but on the first million? They did that to make the difference seem much bigger when you picture it visually without taking the numbers into account. See how it looks when you start the count on zero:

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu78/SnipySev/graph-1.jpg

Now it doesn't look that bad, huh? Yeah the Vita didn't sell more than other consoles but it isn't as far behind as some people imply.		2012-03-11 22:15:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

There's a word for that isn't there? Manipulating data to reach different conclusions?
Wait, I'm on the internet...		2012-03-12 02:19:00

Author:
xxMATEOSxx
Posts: 1787

There's a word for that isn't there? Manipulating data to reach different conclusions?
Wait, I'm on the internet...

Not actually manipulating data per se, but maniplating the way data is presented. The first graph is still legit, but with that little trick it's misleading to those who only check out the bars and not the numbers. It's gets people to think the Vita didn't sell even half what the 3DS sold when it's obviously not true. It's just like showing only the tip of the iceberg.		2012-03-12 02:33:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Not actually manipulating data per se, but maniplating the way data is presented
Yeah, that's what I meant. Anyway, I couldn't find the word I was thinking of. Either way I agree that PS Vita sales aren't all that bad for it's start. At least it's at a minimum keeping up with other systems.		2012-03-12 03:25:00

Author:
xxMATEOSxx
Posts: 1787

There's a word for that isn't there? Manipulating data to reach different conclusions?

Spin?

But, that's not necessarily what's going on here, seeing as they also included the raw numbers. If you really want to sway the reader towards a specific conclusion it's best to omit those.

It's pretty common practice to restrict the range of a bar graph's y-axis to make the differences between each bar more perceptible when there's very little deviation between the data, as is the case here. Had they used the full range at the same vertical size, there'd only be about 1 pixel difference between the PSP and 3DS, making it more difficult to tell which was greater from a quick glance.

Similarly, it's also quite common to use a logarithmic scale when the data deviation is huge, like in this graph of the relative orbital rotation periods of the planets...

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/Images/ae477b.gif

More importantly, though, it's even more common when publishers just want to save some vertical space so they can squeeze more adverts in. 		2012-03-12 14:02:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870


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