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Hidy Ho Sackfriends! I'm here to let you know that episode 11 of Pocket Moon Podcast is live!

In episode 11 we have managed to have a new guest on the show, so you'll hear Tom, Alex (Hellobob5) and me chat about thermo preferences, forum threads that annoy us, and Trindall schools us on why LBP2 is in fact better than LBP1, as well as many other topics.

As usual, we have many ways for you to listen:

----iTunes (http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pocket-moon-podcast/id407883669")------------------Sound Cloud (http://soundcloud.com/pocket-moon-podcast)------------------Direct Download (http://www.shawnandtom.com/Pocket_Moon_Podcast/PMP_Episode_11.mp3)----------------RSS Feed (http://www.shawnandtom.com/Pocket_Moon_Podcast/PMPfeed.xml)----------
--http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/tross13/PMPiTunes.jpg (http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pocket-moon-podcast/id407883669)-------------------http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/tross13/PMPSoundCloud.jpg (http://soundcloud.com/pocket-moon-podcast)-----------------------------http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/tross13/PMPdownload.jpg (http://www.shawnandtom.com/Pocket_Moon_Podcast/PMP_Episode_11.mp3)-----------------------http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/tross13/PMPRSS.jpg (http://www.shawnandtom.com/Pocket_Moon_Podcast/PMPfeed.xml)----------

Thanks for listening!

2012-03-04 14:57:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

my dumb butt downloaded the .jpg first. Doh. Downloading now. thanks!

2012-03-04 15:11:00

Author:
biorogue

Posts: 8424

Hmmm... Maybe I won't use the images on here next time since they won't link correctly on LPBC.

Hope you enjoy it!

2012-03-04 16:07:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

2012-03-04 16:59:00

Author:
biorogue

Posts: 8424

I'm about halfway through the podcast right now and I love that you're talking about threads. I think you should definitely keep this going since the majority of your listeners will be coming from the forums on which the threads exist. Unfortunately, I doubt the people who some of Taffey's criticism is aimed at ever listen to the podcasts, as in the case of the Vita release date threads. Similar situations arose during the time you guys were away from the forums. Let's just say it was painful to even look at some of the things being posted. I don't know what it was, well, I could logically assume since I'm thinking of the PSP side here, but the average IQ appeared to drop a bit during those dark ages if you know what I mean. ;]

A note to Salieri, Alex and Taffey's formula for pizza is wrong. The correct formula is actually:
Smoke - 3 Minutes + (10 Seconds x # of Pepperoni's) - (1 Minute x # of Toppings) = Pizza
Their formula was for cheese, but who only eats cheese pizza anymore?

On a serious note, it's a great podcast thus far and I can't wait to finish it later.

2012-03-04 17:46:00

Author:
WoodburyRaider

Posts: 1651

@biorogue: Wow, what an easy fix! Thanks for that. I was just clicking the image button to automatically create the correct syntax but that was not the way to go in this case. Thanks a lot for the help :-)

@WoodburyRaider: Glad to hear that you enjoy having us talk about threads around the forums. We have enjoyed having these topics (like the Why Hate LBP2 topic, Excitement for LBP Vita Topic, etc...) and we were hoping that listeners enjoyed the topics since a lot of listeners were part of the topics.

I agree with you that the authors of the posts that we were critical of probably won't listen, so perhaps those aren't the greatest threads to discuss, but it is something that has been bothering us for a few weeks so we wanted to mention it.

Thanks for the corrected equation for pizza's with more than just cheese. You may have saved Simon from having a very hard pizza ;-)

I hope you enjoy the rest of the podcast!

2012-03-04 23:35:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

Great podcast!

(I suck at feedback)

P.S. I'm smoking both of you guys on GameCenter Acheivements.

2012-03-05 03:01:00

Author:
ConverseFox

Posts: 2333

Great podcast!

(I suck at feedback)

P.S. I'm smoking both of you guys on GameCenter Acheivements.

Thanks for checking out the podcast Cory! I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed it :-)

As for Game Center, I really need to start playing games with achievements again. I am still gaming on my iPhone, but the issue is that all of my games, like Scramble With Friends, Machinarium, Superbrother:S&S, and Secret of Mana have no achievements :-(

2012-03-05 11:38:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

Just listened to the podcast on my lunch break - loved the discussion about lbp1 vs lbp2 - even popped over to lbnetwork to check out trindalls post

Great work as always! Will have to figure out some questions to ask you guys.... I can never think of anything until it's too late

2012-03-05 13:17:00

Author:
rialrees

Posts: 1015

I listened last night and thought it was a good show. Informative and entertaining. I thought it was interesting the threads you mentioned. I cannot for the life of me figure out why some of these people don't listen, ie. the release date of LBPV. I think some of these guys like to argue just for the sake of arguing or for attention. And what kills me is, you can have an official representative or heck even the top honcho himself from Tarsier come into the thread and go "look, guys, there is no release date yet." but they will believe the 12 year old that said, "well I heard from a friend that said his gardener's cousin picked up a hitchhiker who went to school with this guy who works at McDonald's and once made a hamburger for this dude that was friends with a guy who said it's coming out in April." WTF (What the Frenchtoast)

You mentioned Tim Schafer and I noticed this morning that he made a IaMA on Reddit yesterday and got 2600 comments questions. Pretty interesting reading through some of that. Wish there was a way to weed out the stupid, but it is what it is. This guy makes such incredible games but almost never makes a sequel! If there's one that needs it, it is Psychonauts. I loved this game and the way it ended certainly left the door open for a continuance. I don't think it's a lack of funds type thing, I think it's a lack of want to.

Anyway, that's my nonsensical ramblings. Enjoyed the show as always and look forward to the next one. GDC starts today and I'm already seeing some cool things mentioned. Do you think we will ever, ever see Milo? Remember when Microsoft unveiled the connect and demonstrated Project Natal with the little boy named Milo. That single demo made me want the connect and what, 2, 3 years later, still no dang Milo or anything even close to that. Well played Micro$oft, you took my money again.

2012-03-05 15:50:00

Author:
biorogue

Posts: 8424

they will if you put the tags in.
so it'd be like:
[IMGLINK]http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/tross13/PMPdownload.jpg (http://www.shawnandtom.com/Pocket_Moon_Podcast/PMP_Episode_11.mp3)

and that will get you this: http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/tross13/PMPdownload.jpg (http://www.shawnandtom.com/Pocket_Moon_Podcast/PMP_Episode_11.mp3)OH. *facepalm* I figured that since native image linking didn't work on this version of BB that wouldn't either, so I didn't even bother to try it. Never underestimate the power of lazy. LOL Thanks bio!

A note to Salieri, Alex and Taffey's formula for pizza is wrong. The correct formula is actually:
Smoke - 3 Minutes + (10 Seconds x # of Pepperoni's) - (1 Minute x # of Toppings) = Pizza
Their formula was for cheese, but who only eats cheese pizza anymore?

I tested this hypothesis yesterday and I can confirm that Woodbury is correct. The next step is to make a minimum sample of 30 such pizzas to determine an appropriate confidence interval.

I'm on it.

I agree with you that the authors of the posts that we were critical of probably won't listen, so perhaps those aren't the greatest threads to discuss, but it is something that has been bothering us for a few weeks so we wanted to mention it.I promised myself I would be nice when we came to that part of the podcast, but then when we were actually recording, well... grumpiness won.

P.S. I'm smoking both of you guys on GameCenter Acheivements.

WHAT?

*runs off to hoard as many cheap achievements as possible*

Great work as always! Will have to figure out some questions to ask you guys.... I can never think of anything until it's too late

Thanks Ria! So... What are you doing the next couple of weekends?

Enjoyed the show as always and look forward to the next one. GDC starts today and I'm already seeing some cool things mentioned. Do you think we will ever, ever see Milo? Remember when Microsoft unveiled the connect and demonstrated Project Natal with the little boy named Milo. That single demo made me want the connect and what, 2, 3 years later, still no dang Milo or anything even close to that. Well played Micro$oft, you took my money again.Awesome sauce! Glad you liked it.

Good question - I'll add that to the list for episode 12.

2012-03-05 17:43:00

Author:
Taffey

Posts: 3187

Yet another great podcast guys!

Your perspective on LBP game development is very refreshing and equally welcommed

With so many interesting topics discussed, PMP has quickly become one of my weekly podcasting highlights

Keep up the good work gentlemen!

2012-03-06 00:19:00

Author:
Slaeden-Bob

Posts: 605

Yet another great podcast guys!

Your perspective on LBP game development is very refreshing and equally welcommed

With so many interesting topics discussed, PMP has quickly become one of my weekly podcasting highlights

Keep up the good work gentlemen!Thanks Bob! (Or is it Slaeden? Ok, how about SB.

) It's awesome to know that you're listening, and it's even better news that we aren't putting you to sleep in the process.

We're hard at work on episode 12 already - now to find a time to record....

2012-03-06 02:32:00

Author:
Taffey

Posts: 3187

Downloaded it onto my vita!

I'll listen to it soon

2012-03-07 00:47:00

Author:
anoken

Posts: 1654

Downloaded it onto my vita!

I'll listen to it soon

Awesome :-) Looking forward to hearing your feedback!

2012-03-07 11:35:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

Great podcast guys. I can honestly say that its the only podcast I listen to and follow.

It was interesting to hear your thoughts about thermo. I never really thought about a positive aspect of it. Maybe that's because it has shown its ugly head way too early inevery level I've made =P

I do have to disagree with the post Taffy, er Tom, or TRS13 so confusing, brought up from LBPnetwork, or at least what he talked about. I tried to find it but gave up pretty quick. I lack the time and the ability to put all my thoughts on it here. But it is mainly due to the fact that LBP vs LBP2 is a matter of opinion. While you can logically work out why it is better or why people may have things affecting their opinion of it, it is still is a matter of opinion. The first point that was brought up was about the tools given to creators in LBP compared to the first one. While logically it makes sense to say that end result is whats important, you can not remove the appreciation of artistic ability from the equation. For example you have two statues, one was made by a guy who had fabrication tools that used laser precision and the other by a man with hammer, chisel and slab of stone. The former would most likely be a much better product but that latter would be immensely more impressive. That sums up why LBP2 fell so short for me. Normally, I like levels focused on gameplay, but I enjoyed seeing other levels to appreciate them as a creator. I didn't get that with LBP2 at all.

2012-03-07 16:33:00

Author:
Xenon

Posts: 306

This was so much fun to record with you guys

I'm glad that everyone enjoyed it so it shows i'm not completely useless at talking about things ;D I love the blooper part at the end aswell

WE ARE SO DANG FUNNY!!

2012-03-07 17:05:00

Author:
Hellobob5

Posts: 382

I do have to disagree with the post Taffy, er Tom, or TRS13 so confusing, brought up from LBPnetwork, or at least what he talked about. I tried to find it but gave up pretty quick. I lack the time and the ability to put all my thoughts on it here. But it is mainly due to the fact that LBP vs LBP2 is a matter of opinion. While you can logically work out why it is better or why people may have things affecting their opinion of it, it is still is a matter of opinion. The first point that was brought up was about the tools given to creators in LBP compared to the first one. While logically it makes sense to say that end result is whats important, you can not remove the appreciation of artistic ability from the equation. For example you have two statues, one was made by a guy who had fabrication tools that used laser precision and the other by a man with hammer, chisel and slab of stone. The former would most likely be a much better product but that latter would be immensely more impressive. That sums up why LBP2 fell so short for me. Normally, I like levels focused on gameplay, but I enjoyed seeing other levels to appreciate them as a creator. I didn't get that with LBP2 at all.

Being the one who wrote up the post in question (http://www.littlebignetwork.com/showthread.php/12278-Pocket-Moon-Podcast-Episode-10?p=224011&viewfull=1#post224011) I want to say that I agree with you. That post is merely my opinion on how I see the arguments.

Opinion can never disprove other opinions and the same pure object/event gets perceived differently by different people so using "Facts" or metaphors do not "Prove" an opinion as the only correct opinion.

I agree that the statue that was hand crafted with a hammer and chisel is more impressive than the one that was laser cast by a robot. The difference in what you and I are getting out of this, I think, is in the difference of what I'm looking to get out of the 'Art' experience.

My point of view is from the aspect of playing and enjoying fun LBP levels. In the analogy of the museum or sculpture it'd be to see beautiful/ inspiring images. In this case it is the product that I'm looking to appreciate as they relate to other products in the market/museum or from past experience.

From the way you describe your appreciation of the sculpture the history behind the sculpture, the amount of sweat or creativity that went into the construction heavily influences your appreciation more so than the end product. In this case you aren't just admiring art for the end result but you are also appreciating the artist or the method.

This is a completely valid method of appreciating things.

LBP levels are intrinsically a hand made product and appreciation of the creator or method is very relevant.

LBP levels are also numbering in the millions upon millions and can also be appreciated on their own as enjoyable or not regardless of the actual creator's sweat, tears or personal ingenuity.

There is nothing anyone can say that makes what you enjoy invalid. I think there is value in discussing this kind of thing though. Even if the opinion-centric nature of the conversation means that there is no "Right" train of thought.

I think it comes back to the intentions of each person.

Some have a stronger focus on validation or appreciation of the process and this isn't something that you can dismiss. A great chef, or you mother, can use spices and ingredients in amazing ways that really shows in depth, texture, subtlety and feeling that a great pre-fabricated meal can't really get. There is a personality or aura that can be imbued in art or food or experience that can greatly enhance your perception of it.

My primary focus is to play fun levels that are challenging, thus I value those results over the method of creation. It lets me enjoy a wide range of levels. This is similar to the intention of eating great food and then enjoying great food from a variety of styles versus the intention of eating great hand-made sushi and then getting annoyed when you get great tasting fried rice instead.

I think that since we get to pick what it is that we enjoy and that since LBP2 offers a lot of every type of level then with the correct intentions everyone can enjoy LBP2 as much as they did LBP1.

I find that there are a lot of levels that use the new tools in creative or novel fashions and put out levels that are the product of lots of hard work and thought. I get to savor those levels and amaze at the creators skill just as I can play a beautiful platformer level that was easily created with the new LBP2 tools versus what would have been required to do the same thing in LBP1.

Cheers

2012-03-07 18:21:00

Author:
Trindall

Posts: 297

easily the best podcast out there and refreshingly easy to listen to. keep up the good work

2012-03-07 20:51:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger

Posts: 3910

Thanks Bob! (Or is it Slaeden? Ok, how about SB.

)

I thought it was Buttercup?

2012-03-07 22:24:00

Author:
rialrees

Posts: 1015

2012-03-08 11:37:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

@Xenon & Trindall: I really enjoyed that discussion between you two! Great points were made from both sides, and as you both said, it really comes down to personal preference. I would love to jump in and give some of my own thoughts, but I'm not sure that I really have anything that would add to the discussion since you both covered it so well :-)

@HelloBob: It was awesome having you on the show! We will have to have to on again :-D

@GribbleGrunger: Thank you for the kind words! It is great to hear that you enjoy the podcast!

no problem. the internet is full of podcasts that are just self congratulatory, self indulgent nonsense. whilst yours also contain humour and chat, they're always informative and entertain for the right reasons. Kudos to you, the mad man and the old guy

2012-03-08 17:45:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger

Posts: 3910

I thought it was Buttercup?

You're totally right, it is. Or maybe Fluffy?

Kudos to you, the mad man and the old guyDon't make me get up from my electric scooter and hit you with my cane.

2012-03-08 19:20:00

Author:
Taffey

Posts: 3187

It looks like we will be recording tomorrow (Friday) at 1500 GMT. I give an exact time because I will be on the LittleBigPlanetarium Chat room while we are recording and I'll probably pop 3 or 4 questions about the topic we are talking about at the time so people can comment if they are interested. So if you happen to be on the forums between 1500 and 1630 GMT then jump over there and see if I am there. If you do go over there, make sure to let me know that you popped in since I am terrible at multitasking and may not even notice without a bit of prodding since I will be podcasting at the time.

Thanks for all of the feedback on episode 11! We have a nice selection of questions thanks to all of you and we have some great topics picked out :-)

2012-03-08 20:44:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo

Posts: 1515

@Trindall - Thanks for the link to your original post and the reply. The funny thing is I, much like you, focus on how levels play. If you've tried my levels or seen my reviews it's pretty apparent that I'm not very artistic. I'm more of a right brain gamer. But I can see going by my response how you could get the impression that that aspect is very important to me. It's my fault because I took a single thing that I noticed about the game to bring up without going into all the other reasons I didn't care as much for LBP2. I chose the tools example simply because it was the first point Taffy brought up.

I wish I had the time for a bigger discussion on it. This prob isn't the thread to have it in anyway. Take care.

2012-03-09 23:02:00

Author:
Xenon

Posts: 306

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