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MMPicks, why so seldom.

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I had some high hopes after Spaff left his message saying he was going to be much more involved from then on.

I've asked for a couple of my levels to be considered for for an MMPICK, and asked for a few other peoples levels as well. None of my recommendations have ever gotten plays.

Now, normally I'd shrug and say, "Well, they can't to them all". However, its seems like they aren't getting to any of them.

I see people all the time leaving comments, "This should be MM Picked!", or, "I bet this gets MM Picked!". I leave those comments myself.

But really, it just feels like empty words these days. And it only makes me sadder when they finally, after weeks, finally pick one, only to be gone for longer the next time.

What good is a system that highlights hard work and artistic achievements if the judges can't be bothered to hand them out.

Anyone who spends anytime in this community knows there are TONS of levels that are deserving. If MM were a bigger part of the community, they'd know it too.

Sorry. Just a long time MM trend that has me down. 		2012-02-17 17:57:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

Me too. There are so many levels that are overlooked. And don't get me started on the sackies.So many levels left out that were more deserving than some of the nominees.2012-02-17 18:21:00

Author:
carringtonandrew
Posts: 85

Yeah but we have this new hubs that is getting easily plays from the forums,
They are like the mm picks but wont last how long time as possible and wont be finded easily.
But its a nice thing to LBP recently.




Me too. There are so many levels that are overlooked. And don't get me started on the sackies.So many levels left out that were more deserving than some of the nominees.

Indeed some levels like hide and seek is HUGELY TERRIBLE! If that wins a sackie I'm going rage.
It is fun but meh.. its getting boring easily after awhile.		2012-02-17 18:28:00

Author:
Seveni_7
Posts: 109

Spaff has been busy these last 2 months or so . this has happened before. he'll be back MM picking levels again. but honestly. did we really need another topic talking about MM picks... again? please let this not turn in to another complain about MM picks topic. :/ *mew2012-02-17 18:35:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Well they seem to be pretty busy with the sackies. I'll bet it wasn't easy preparing and making the movies, the widgets for nominating, and deciding on these super secret upcoming sackie categories that was briefly mentioned2012-02-17 22:13:00

Author:
JKthree
Posts: 1125

Spaff has been busy these last 2 months or so . this has happened before. he'll be back MM picking levels again. but honestly. did we really need another topic talking about MM picks... again? please let this not turn in to another complain about MM picks topic. :/ *mew

I thought it was part of his job.

I'm allowed to be disappointed. Not like this is the first time.

But I feel even a bit more let down after the promise to be more involved.

Oh well, what can you do.		2012-02-17 23:00:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

I agree CYMBOL. I played some of your levels the other day and I got the same feeling I get when playing levels that are already MM picked. It's the feeling of joy, amazment, envy, anger, hope and then satisfaction lol. I also feel the same way when playing a few (Not alot at the moment) when playing levels on the cool pages. It is a shame because I hadn't been on LBP for about a month and when I came back, only one new level had been MM picked. Tis a shame because once again it brings LBP levels getting noticed down to connection, timing and luck. Still, We all have hope in CYMBOLS lol. You defo deserve one.2012-02-18 11:10:00

Author:
LittleBigSnooth
Posts: 454

Yeah, wish a few more levels were MM Picked ._.
Haven't played too many I thought might deserve one... (I probably have, just can't remember )
On a side note, what's happening to MM Picks on LBPV? MM aren't involved so hthey can hardly be called MM Picks if they're there.		2012-02-18 12:33:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

I cannot elaborate but it is all going to be better. Meanwhile, why not abandon the idea that one guy in an office picking a favorite level is akin to the highest possible acclaim that a creator can get in this game?2012-02-18 13:36:00

Author:
Antikris
Posts: 1340

I agree CYMBOL. I played some of your levels the other day and I got the same feeling I get when playing levels that are already MM picked. It's the feeling of joy, amazment, envy, anger, hope and then satisfaction lol. I also feel the same way when playing a few (Not alot at the moment) when playing levels on the cool pages. It is a shame because I hadn't been on LBP for about a month and when I came back, only one new level had been MM picked. Tis a shame because once again it brings LBP levels getting noticed down to connection, timing and luck. Still, We all have hope in CYMBOLS lol. You defo deserve one.


Thanks, although I'm not saying mine deserve a Pick, but I like to pretend there is an off chance that one of my levels might even get a play one day. I like feeling like there is some 1 in a million chance that it might happen. Right now, I've pretty much given up that hope, which makes me sad.


I cannot elaborate but it is all going to be better. Meanwhile, why not abandon the idea that one guy in an office picking a favorite level is akin to the highest possible acclaim that a creator can get in this game?

Whether right or wrong, MM Picks are an incentive for some people to really put there best foot forward. I would do that on any level I make, even my costume level, but for some people, I see them releasing a level and they have this notion that if there level is good enough, MM WILL notice it. I don't have the heart to tell them that MM isn't looking.

It just makes me sad to see weeks or a month go by and 1,000's of levels published with no acknowledgement to the artists who spend countless hours creating. It's a small thanks from MM.

And I don't believe they are too busy to recognize a level. No way. I work 10 hours a day, have a wife and two kids, medical issues, etc, and I find time to create and play levels. Now, I'd think I would have time to play more level, if that was actually my job.

Overall, I'm a bit disappointed with community management. I think I just got completely depressed the other day. My disc player got messed up from my little, so I can't get on LBP2. I have the digital version of LBP1, so I booted it up. I thought it might be fun to create something in LBP1. I checked Cool Pages and found it completely spammed by 4 people. Just completely overrun.

LBP1 was left to rot in spam. And I see the same thing in LBP2. One person constantly has about 10 levels on page 1. It's outrageous that after MM allowed LBP1 to get destroyed by spammers that we are all sitting around watching the same thing continue in LBP2.

Once in a while good creations get on Cool Pages, but most times they are kept a few pages down because people are spamming page 1.

So, the only way for serious creations to get noticed is MM Picks, which don't happen.

It all makes me feel a bit abandoned.		2012-02-18 18:35:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

Instead of focussing on MM Picks, why don't you look at the (usually) reliable Community Spotlight on this very forum? I personally rate it higher than MM Picks because there's a multitude of people selecting them and they play A LOT of levels.

I know Mm Picks take a long time and maybe don't highlight some great levels, but it doesn't look like it will be changing any time soon.

So yeah - Spotlight = Good, guys who choose spotlight levels = the Best		2012-02-18 18:44:00

Author:
Coxy224
Posts: 2645

Well, it's already been mentioned by Spaff that a number of things are going to change on this front.

Don't forget the last LBPC spotlight was featured in the in-game news section as a precursor to closer integration.		2012-02-18 19:53:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

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Whether right or wrong, MM Picks are an incentive for some people to really put there best foot forward.
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And I don't believe they are too busy to recognize a level. No way. I work 10 hours a day, have a wife and two kids, medical issues, etc, and I find time to create and play levels. Now, I'd think I would have time to play more level, if that was actually my job.
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I checked Cool Pages and found it completely spammed by 4 people. Just completely overrun.
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It's outrageous that after MM allowed LBP1 to get destroyed by spammers that we are all sitting around watching the same thing continue in LBP2.
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So, the only way for serious creations to get noticed is MM Picks, which don't happen.

It all makes me feel a bit abandoned.


Instead of focussing on MM Picks, why don't you look at the (usually) reliable Community Spotlight on this very forum? I personally rate it higher than MM Picks because there's a multitude of people selecting them and they play A LOT of levels....

Community Spotlight is a wonderful thing, but doesn't bring a lot of plays. At this point, only Cool Pages and MM Pick bring plays and recognizing one's effort. The fact that the News section now mention fansites picks is not enough, because News are barely read. The only good solution is a removal of Cool Pages from the first page of Comunity section and setting fansites picks and contest winners section instead.
IMO Cool Pages do not deserve to exist at all.		2012-02-18 20:54:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

Community Spotlight is a wonderful thing, but doesn't bring a lot of plays. At this point, only Cool Pages and MM Pick bring plays and recognizing one's effort. The fact that the News section now mention fansites picks is not enough, because News are barely read. The only good solution is a removal of Cool Pages from the first page of Comunity section and setting fansites picks and contest winners section instead.
IMO Cool Pages do not deserve to exist at all.

Cool pages should stay. Not everyone browses the forums and it could upset a lot more people than the few that actually visit the forums. What could work though, is possibly implementing a "Spotlighted" section the community option, that pretty much works like MM picks, but features the spotlighted levels. While I do agree the " news" section is probably overlooked by 80 percent of the community, I am sure the team is doing all they can to make this better, so just be patient. If you guys need good levels to play, just search the various threads posted here.		2012-02-18 21:22:00

Author:
Rpg Maker
Posts: 877

Cool pages should stay. Not everyone browses the forums and it could upset a lot more people than the few that actually visit the forums. What could work though, is possibly implementing a "Spotlighted" section the community option, that pretty much works like MM picks, but features the spotlighted levels. While I do agree the " news" section is probably overlooked by 80 percent of the community, I am sure the team is doing all they can to make this better, so just be patient. If you guys need good levels to play, just search the various threads posted here.

Why should Cool Pages stay ? Who can tell what is "cool" ? For some people spamming is obviously cool, for some levels that are made with a little or no efforts, for some copied levels, for some booing for no reason ... while for the creators who put a big efforts in their levels all that is insult. And vice versa. No such thing as "cool" for all. Nowhere. That's why I think Cool Pages should be removed. How would anyone be upset with its disappearance ? If we would get fansites picks (where LBPC Spotlight belongs) and the Contest Winners section, and keep the "More" option, each would have a possibility to find something for themself.		2012-02-18 22:06:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

Why should Cool Pages stay ? Who can tell what is "cool" ? For some people spamming is obviously cool, for some levels that are made with a little or no efforts, for some copied levels, for some booing for no reason ... while for the creators who put a big efforts in their levels all that is insult. And vice versa. No such thing as "cool" for all. Nowhere. That's why I think Cool Pages should be removed. How would anyone be upset with its disappearance ? If we would get fansites picks (where LBPC Spotlight belongs) and the Contest Winners section, and keep the "More" option, each would have a possibility to find something for themself.

There need to be system like cool pages that or else nothing would be notice. Everything functions exactly the same way, most notably YouTube, but there it's even harder. Humen controlled system is even more unfair, since it's controlled by humans and there selective likes that does not need to fit yours and put down something that actually is cool , i kind of know that by being part of LBPC Contest Crew, not once i liked one entry that others didn't like it much ;p on other way it's impossible to make automatic system that will be 100% fair too

I think issue here is that some good creators force them self to absolute saint behaveior of community that don't like any advisement and publish level and wait for wonders, but i reality you need to tell somebody "hey try out my level" to have even chance, other problem is luck of understanding idea of a trend and mainstream, something you made and this is cool does not need to be popular, if you want to make popular level you need to fit people likes and current fusion, you need to understand there behavior. Prime example would be Minecraft vs LBP, technicly minecraft sux compired to what LBP allow you to do, people think that punch of blocks that they doing is coo and when you look on redstone system the LBP1 logic was heaven compire to it, still people fire up with it, where LBP allows you to do a lot more and more ice things, but due accessibility of PS3, PS3 userbase likes (CoD rules the platform) and theme that makes lot of people call LBP "kiddy" game (i hear that from my own family not once) makes it less popular from Minecraft that technically sux compered to LBP2, and people saying that "LBP2 is better and you don't understand it" won't fix it at al, but it will change your opinion about LBP2? it won't. Other problem is..... people who think that cool pages sux don't use it at all, leaving some kids to rule it, cool pages i based on input data of community and if you are not part of it don't think it will show what you want it to show

It applies to any kind of art whatever it is for free fun or money, it does not change how potential viewers of your art behave and everything that is great need to be noticed and popular right away it even can be never. On very end it mostly depend on luck, since popularity runs popularity even more. You would not know me at all if i would not have luck (real luck... i didn't get it normal way) to get to LBP2 Beta and integrate to community and people start noticing my skill just because beta had smaller community, at LBP1 no body cared about me whatever i did extreame logic things, so i know ho hard is to be noticed in LBP and how it's hard to start and how your mind going down where you work hard on something just to get few plays..... people still don't care about me as much as some other people in LBP, but i don't mind as long as people play my levels what ever they like it at the end or not ;]

I really recommend you guys to read manga comic cooled "Bakuman" (or anime since it been turn in to one, but im not sure how it follows manga), it maybe got quite unrealistic story, but it explains how manga comic market works, you might see in it that LBP got some things in common ;]

But back to cool pages removal.... keep in mind that we are minority, most LBP players don't care about fan sites, so there need to be some fully in-game based system or else i bet Sony would be unsatisfied

Great another MMpick drama thread and again you guys made me do big post 		2012-02-18 23:36:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Well, it's already been mentioned by Spaff that a number of things are going to change on this front.

Don't forget the last LBPC spotlight was featured in the in-game news section as a precursor to closer integration.

And I think that's great. 		2012-02-18 23:43:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

Again, just to make sure my intent isn't skewed along the way, I'm not saying anything bad about MMPicks, I'm saying I wish there was more, and really don't understand why there isn't.

The only reason I mention Cool Page spamming is cause I've seen a lot of great creators levels stuck on the second or third page of Cool Levels because one person has 10 levels on page 1 and five on page 2. It bums me out that MM has allowed this abuse to carry on. But if they aren't going to stop the spammers, the least they could do is be more active in MM Picks to make sure great creations have a chance to get noticed by the community.

That's all I'm saying.		2012-02-18 23:53:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

I see people all the time leaving comments, "This should be MM Picked!", or, "I bet this gets MM Picked!". I leave those comments myself.

I HATE those comments. Especially when they add "like if you agree", or "who's with me?". If I see a comment like that, I'll boo it (even if I really like the level), because it's just an attempt to get yays....... unless it's on the end of a proper review, then it's ok.


Yeah, wish a few more levels were MM Picked ._.
Haven't played too many I thought might deserve one... (I probably have, just can't remember )
On a side note, what's happening to MM Picks on LBPV? MM aren't involved so hthey can hardly be called MM Picks if they're there.

Zippobot!!!!!!!! 		2012-02-18 23:58:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Great another MMpick drama thread and again you guys made me do big post

Lol, no drama at all.


There need to be system like cool pages that or else nothing would be notice.
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But back to cool pages removal.... keep in mind that we are minority, most LBP players don't care about fan sites, so there need to be some fully in-game based system or else i bet Sony would be unsatisfied

There are fully in-game based systems: most played, newest, highest rated ... Just wanted to say that "cool" word is wrong and there's no need for it. Every group of like-minded form own idea of what is cool. There is no ordered "cool" category in any area of life, so no need for that in LBP neither. ... Unless someone wants to encourage abuse.		2012-02-19 00:39:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

Lol, no drama at all.



There are fully in-game based systems: most played, newest, highest rated ... Just wanted to say that "cool" word is wrong and there's no need for it. Every group of like-minded form own idea of what is cool. There is no ordered "cool" category in any area of life, so no need for that in LBP neither. ... Unless someone wants to encourage abuse.

So you want them to change the name or remove? :>		2012-02-19 02:14:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Why should Cool Pages stay ? Who can tell what is "cool" ? For some people spamming is obviously cool, for some levels that are made with a little or no efforts, for some copied levels, for some booing for no reason ... while for the creators who put a big efforts in their levels all that is insult. And vice versa. No such thing as "cool" for all. Nowhere. That's why I think Cool Pages should be removed. How would anyone be upset with its disappearance ? If we would get fansites picks (where LBPC Spotlight belongs) and the Contest Winners section, and keep the "More" option, each would have a possibility to find something for themself.

As I mentioned before: picking only from fansites alienates the other 90 percent of the community who also want thier levels to be played. What says that contest winners or spotlighted levels here are better than what other parts of the community are producing? Do we deserve the spotlight more than they do?

I have played some good levels on Cool pages so you can speak for yourself. I am not saying its perfect, but what user based community is? Removing cool levels would cause an uprising, even if people missuse this technology, its still how a lot of people get plays or browse to find "cool" levels or generally interact with the community.

Also, what good does removing Cool Pages do exactly? It doesn't guarantee us more plays and it makes it tougher for players to browse levels. Also true, some stages are copies or really sloppily done, but there is no "meter" built into the game that can detect "cool" levels. Thats probably why forums like these were created in the first place. If you have trouble finding levels you like or want to meet these "serious" creators. Removing cool pages without replacing it with something, like the afore mentioned system, would be one of the most disastrous updates that could ever befall LBP2.

We can say adding a spotlighted levels will change things( I am all for it), but honestly, it will only satisfy the creators on these forums that want more plays for their levels; its not doing the overall community any more favors than MM picks are. Spotlighted levels would also run into the same problem as MM picks. Creators will complain that their levels arent getting spolighted/ not enough spotlights, blah blah blah-- more threads like this get created and nothing really changes.

Removing Cool pages would also make this even more noticeable because only those who prowl the forums and win contest get picked, and thats no fun. Some of my favorite levels were from browsing the Cool Pages, and a lot were better than the MM picks themselves. I would hate for it to be impossible for me to find these brilliant creations because they decided to remove this feature--with really only the sole reason of not upsetting a few people on these forums.

Just sayin..		2012-02-19 02:30:00

Author:
Rpg Maker
Posts: 877

As I mentioned before: picking only from fansites alienates the other 90 percent of the community who also want thier levels to be played. What says that contest winners or spotlighted levels here are better than what other parts of the community are producing? Do we deserve the spotlight more than they do?


Hmm, I think in the other direction, I spent a fair few hours answering questions on the LBPC account among with other Spotlight Crew members about how to get a chance to have their level spotlighted.

It's fortnightly, very transparent, and there is no real barrier of entry. Joining one of the 4 main forums isn't too difficult and I think it gives a better ability to feel known and supported than what is available inside the game.

I do think that Cool Pages are relevant, the only thing about them is people game them, the way to combat that is to avoid playing the clearly bad stages.

I think that the biggest 'problem' with the the community pages is the layout. The first page should be the 'more' page... It lists your hearted players, friends, the new stages what is getting plays etc, I just think that the pages are the wrong way around.		2012-02-19 03:39:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

cuz spaff is a poo poo face! >:o

no but seriously, probably the same reason from before really, he's just busy.

He told me he broke his arm in an email, and I'm betting that game jam and other event have been keeping him busy.

Same old same old...but I say we spam the crap outta him with tweets and emails until he drops everything and plays every level in da world, whos with meh?!		2012-02-19 06:01:00

Author:
comishguy67
Posts: 849

cuz spaff is a poo poo face! >:o

no but seriously, probably the same reason from before really, he's just busy.

He told me he broke his arm in an email, and I'm betting that game jam and other event have been keeping him busy.

Same old same old...but I say we spam the crap outta him with tweets and emails until he drops everything and plays every level in da world, whos with meh?!

YAY!

Lengthen msg to 10 chars line		2012-02-19 10:14:00

Author:
zupaton
Posts: 167

So you want them to change the name or remove? :>

To change the name, remove it and then burn at pyre . Really, remove is option in whose validity I honestly believe.


As I mentioned before: picking only from fansites alienates the other 90 percent of the community who also want thier levels to be played. What says that contest winners or spotlighted levels here are better than what other parts of the community are producing? Do we deserve the spotlight more than they do?

I have played some good levels on Cool pages so you can speak for yourself. I am not saying its perfect, but what user based community is? Removing cool levels would cause an uprising, even if people missuse this technology, its still how a lot of people get plays or browse to find "cool" levels or generally interact with the community.

Also, what good does removing Cool Pages do exactly? It doesn't guarantee us more plays and it makes it tougher for players to browse levels. Also true, some stages are copies or really sloppily done, but there is no "meter" built into the game that can detect "cool" levels. Thats probably why forums like these were created in the first place. If you have trouble finding levels you like or want to meet these "serious" creators. Removing cool pages without replacing it with something, like the afore mentioned system, would be one of the most disastrous updates that could ever befall LBP2.

We can say adding a spotlighted levels will change things( I am all for it), but honestly, it will only satisfy the creators on these forums that want more plays for their levels; its not doing the overall community any more favors than MM picks are. Spotlighted levels would also run into the same problem as MM picks. Creators will complain that their levels arent getting spolighted/ not enough spotlights, blah blah blah-- more threads like this get created and nothing really changes.

Removing Cool pages would also make this even more noticeable because only those who prowl the forums and win contest get picked, and thats no fun. Some of my favorite levels were from browsing the Cool Pages, and a lot were better than the MM picks themselves. I would hate for it to be impossible for me to find these brilliant creations because they decided to remove this feature--with really only the sole reason of not upsetting a few people on these forums.

Just sayin..

I don't see it that way. No one would have been hurt with disappearance of cool pages, because it could be easily replaced with options given in "More". Also, neither I nor most people here in the forums don't have problem in finding good levels. The problem is that most newly arrived players in LBP first run to cool pages (so catchy name) and what they see there become their way of thinking, because someone decided that it is "cool." If they had a different choice we would have a different community, better I'm sure. And I'm totaly sure there would not be any uprising.



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I think that the biggest 'problem' with the the community pages is the layout. The first page should be the 'more' page... It lists your hearted players, friends, the new stages what is getting plays etc, ...


This is also a good solution for me.		2012-02-19 12:27:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

Itotally agree with you Cymbol!2012-02-19 16:47:00

Author:
Unexpecter
Posts: 137

Can't MM assign more people to find MM Pick worthy levels? Dozens of levels are published every minute, how in hell's name is Spaff the only one responsible for the Picks? And that is if he even feels like playing people's suggestions?

I love this game. The creative vision and the uniqueness of LBP is mindblowing, but there are so many things about it that don't work like they should. LBP2 is absolutely amazing in so many ways, but so frustrating in others. The Cool Pages are almost useless, the MM Picks list rarely grows, patches break more stuff than they fix, the moderation can't be arsed to punish trolls and spammers...

I'm getting tired of debating what could make this game better. We've been suggesting stuff to improve LBP2 since it came out and almost nothing has changed for the best. Visit any LBP fansite: LBPC, Planetarium, Workshop, and you'll find great suggestions everywhere. In these sites, MM would find the player feedback needed to build the perfect LBP. Hundreds of game develovers out there would kill to have this kind of fanbase and feedback, to know exactly what people expect from them. But in this case, wanting to have our opinions listened to is too much to ask, I guess.		2012-02-19 17:51:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

[QUOTE=CYMBOL;980420]Thanks, although I'm not saying mine deserve a Pick, but I like to pretend there is an off chance that one of my levels might even get a play one day. I like feeling like there is some 1 in a million chance that it might happen. Right now, I've pretty much given up that hope, which makes me sad.

Yeah, I know you were not saying that you specifically deserve what, even though your levels are very well done. Finding a way to manipulate the cool pages is the trickiest thing in LittleBigPlanet. That is why most of the levels that are brilliant will never get a look in. However, on the other hand, thats why amazing forums like this and others have such a niche these days. It does annoy me though when the top 5 pages of cools pages is full of copies, costumes and LittleBigPlanet 1 levels.		2012-02-19 20:59:00

Author:
LittleBigSnooth
Posts: 454

Can't MM assign more people to find MM Pick worthy levels? Dozens of levels are published every minute, how in hell's name is Spaff the only one responsible for the Picks? And that is if he even feels like playing people's suggestions?

I love this game. The creative vision and the uniqueness of LBP is mindblowing, but there are so many things about it that don't work like they should. LBP2 is absolutely amazing in so many ways, but so frustrating in others. The Cool Pages are almost useless, the MM Picks list rarely grows, patches break more stuff than they fix, the moderation can't be arsed to punish trolls and spammers...

I'm getting tired of debating what could make this game better. We've been suggesting stuff to improve LBP2 since it came out and almost nothing has changed for the best. Visit any LBP fansite: LBPC, Planetarium, Workshop, and you'll find great suggestions everywhere. In these sites, MM would find the player feedback needed to build the perfect LBP. Hundreds of game develovers out there would kill to have this kind of fanbase and feedback, to know exactly what people expect from them. But in this case, wanting to have our opinions listened to is too much to ask, I guess.

I may not notice this fault as much as others, since I do spend 95 percent of my time in create mode and not browsing levels, but I can see these fears growing for some--and do agree the search engine could be tons better, not removed lol but better.

For what its worth, Spaff has said they were working on improving things based on feedback they have received( from a thread with the exact same topic actually), and I am sure things will get better soon. Our voices are being heard, just be patient. I am sure the developers care as much as we do about LBP2--in fact probably more. From a creators stand point, I believe that MM is going to do the best they can to improve this.

And its sort of a tradition for me to suggest this( again, pretty unoriginal topic, probably the 4th one if that), but until these conditions improve, the "popular" creators could just make showcases and links to levels they feel should be on the cool pages or MM picks if they care that much--yea similar to Lecklack or even Rehab, who got some unknown creators thousands of plays and on the Cool Pages a while back. The community could do some powerful things if they banned together.

Unfortunately, you do try to fix too much and like you said, it breaks other things. Spaff , can we get back Dynamic Emitting already?		2012-02-20 02:47:00

Author:
Rpg Maker
Posts: 877

I have learnt to ignore MM picks/(lack of)updates for the most part.

The UI is below par imo. Fixing that will be a step in the right direction.		2012-02-20 09:07:00

Author:
midnight_heist
Posts: 2513

I think we need to take into mind that cool should be changed to common. Because, lets face it, all the levels anyone ever makes has to start of in the Newest pages, then, as they get more common they progress. For example, you will always see a level on newest with 0 plays and 0 everything else, but most of the time, the one level below it, will have between 10 and 200 plays. The way I have always manipulated the pages, is by republishing every few hours so that it stays on top of newest levels, then if it gets between 10 and 200 plays within 5 hours (needs to be higher than 10 but it's the lowest I have seen) the level will show up a few hours later on page 2 - 4. Then, really, it's just a case of making yourself visible with pictures and a flashy name. I did this for 4 of my levels before they my lbp got corrupt (go awwww ) and everyone of them made it to page 1 for a short time and they got between 800 and 2500 plays (They were all platformers). Hope this can shed light on the cool pages and how they may or may not work. Just from my experience, but this might give some people a fighting chance?2012-02-20 11:34:00

Author:
LittleBigSnooth
Posts: 454

I'm not saying anything bad about MMPicks, I'm saying I wish there was more, and really don't understand why there isn't.

Hi

So, the reason is simply down to man-hours. My job has evolved and evolved, and has gotten to a place where I simply do not have enough time to give Mm picks the justice they deserve. That's why we've been putting plans in place to improve them, and you'll start seeing some improvements in that area as soon as ooh... next week maybe.

As for cool levels... it's another way of unearthing levels from the mountains of them that get published each day, and for you guys, the hardcore community, it's not the best thing to look at. There needs to be some work invested in evolving the share experience, and the way in which we discover content in this game and any other LBP game. Funnily enough i have a meeting about that tomorrow, but improvements to that area will be slower to appear.		2012-02-20 17:17:00

Author:
Spaff_Molecule
Posts: 421

Hi

So, the reason is simply down to man-hours. My job has evolved and evolved, and has gotten to a place where I simply do not have enough time to give Mm picks the justice they deserve. That's why we've been putting plans in place to improve them, and you'll start seeing some improvements in that area as soon as ooh... next week maybe.

As for cool levels... it's another way of unearthing levels from the mountains of them that get published each day, and for you guys, the hardcore community, it's not the best thing to look at. There needs to be some work invested in evolving the share experience, and the way in which we discover content in this game and any other LBP game. Funnily enough i have a meeting about that tomorrow, but improvements to that area will be slower to appear.

Would any of those "improvments" involve me taking over da world charge of MM picks ?

What? a guy can dream...		2012-02-20 17:30:00

Author:
comishguy67
Posts: 849

I think if the other filters already present in the game were given the same precedence as Cool Pages it would help. That is, they were all present on the same screen together.

Another filter that could be added would be something that allowed levels under a few hundred plays with mostly positive feedback to circulate for longer than the 1 week they'd get on Cool Pages, so more people could find and enjoy them. Maybe the order the levels are presented in could be randomised so everyone got more exposure instead of it being a fight for the first page.		2012-02-20 17:31:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

I think if the other filters already present in the game were given the same precedence as Cool Pages it would help. That is, they were all present on the same screen together.

^^^^

Yes! For the last several years I commented MANY times I felt having a creator-controlled genre and difficulty would seriously help..... if they were filters that were selected BEFORE displaying a list of cool levels.

Then, I was sorely disappointed when I saw the design.... the player controlled the filters for the creators level, and the filters were put so far out of the way that it took effort in the game to use them. I immediately thought "NO ONE is going to use these things!".

That kind of system would make it really difficult to exploit the younger players' habits and immaturity.

On the other hand, at least for me.... the new Spotlights being promoted by MM has added an entirely new way of targeting an audience. Liberator has had a much better audience than it did in cool pages.		2012-02-20 19:41:00

Author:
CCubbage
Posts: 4430

There needs to be some work invested in evolving the share experience, and the way in which we discover content in this game and any other LBP game. Funnily enough i have a meeting about that tomorrow, but improvements to that area will be slower to appear.

Your efforts to evolve the game has been great, especially the most recent initiatives of getting the fan sites bigger exposure within the game. I am excited to see what else you have in store for the community as a whole.		2012-02-21 12:17:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

^^^^

Yes! For the last several years I commented MANY times I felt having a creator-controlled genre and difficulty would seriously help..... if they were filters that were selected BEFORE displaying a list of cool levels.

Then, I was sorely disappointed when I saw the design.... the player controlled the filters for the creators level, and the filters were put so far out of the way that it took effort in the game to use them. I immediately thought "NO ONE is going to use these things!".

That kind of system would make it really difficult to exploit the younger players' habits and immaturity.

You and me both.

I too was horribly disappointed when I finally saw the LBP2 filter design. So much promise and expectations, then landed severly short of the mark. Sorta like they had the idea and then took about 10 minutes of suggestions around the office.

Just adding something like a first layer of, Easy, Moderate, Hard, Advanced or something like those would have helped. ..or maybe more like Kids, Teens, and Adults or Teens +, while still keeping the E for everyone content.

However I applaud Spaff for what picks he has made. However to be honest I would almost rather see them go away and be more community driven like from the newly added LBPC Community Spotlights.

I think some put too much emphasis on an Mm pick. As we all know, or should know, just because a level does not have the pink ribbon does not mean it is not just as awesome or maybe even more awesome than those that do.		2012-02-21 15:23:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

On this note about MM Picks, I have noticed that they never have more than 200 really, so when I saw 206 I was really excited. However, with a few hours, 6 had been un-MM picked!! Which is annoying because these levels get un-mm picked whilst the WILL YOU MARRY ME level at the bottom, stands strong lol2012-02-21 15:33:00

Author:
LittleBigSnooth
Posts: 454

On this note about MM Picks, I have noticed that they never have more than 200 really, so when I saw 206 I was really excited. However, with a few hours, 6 had been un-MM picked!! Which is annoying because these levels get un-mm picked whilst the WILL YOU MARRY ME level at the bottom, stands strong lol

There aren't any levels um-MM picked. Most likely what you're seeing is some people turning on LBP1-only because the level doesn't work properly in LBP2. If you use LBP.ME you'll see all of them.

Right now there are 210 MM picked levels.		2012-02-21 17:48:00

Author:
CCubbage
Posts: 4430

On this note about MM Picks, I have noticed that they never have more than 200 really, so when I saw 206 I was really excited. However, with a few hours, 6 had been un-MM picked!! Which is annoying because these levels get un-mm picked whilst the WILL YOU MARRY ME level at the bottom, stands strong lol

Keep in mind MMPicks in LBP1 was kind of un-official thing and was outside of game features as part of MM Blog, mmpicks was picked in packs every few mouths, also it was less seriues then it is now, thats why you see levels like Will You Merry Me at that time

What is interesting in MMBlog picing molecule give out comment about level and why it's picked, sadly we dont have it now, would be nice to that be feature as well added to comment system You can see that here:

http://www.mediamolecule.com/community/mmpicks/		2012-02-21 20:04:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Hi

So, the reason is simply down to man-hours. My job has evolved and evolved, and has gotten to a place where I simply do not have enough time to give Mm picks the justice they deserve. That's why we've been putting plans in place to improve them, and you'll start seeing some improvements in that area as soon as ooh... next week maybe.

As for cool levels... it's another way of unearthing levels from the mountains of them that get published each day, and for you guys, the hardcore community, it's not the best thing to look at. There needs to be some work invested in evolving the share experience, and the way in which we discover content in this game and any other LBP game. Funnily enough i have a meeting about that tomorrow, but improvements to that area will be slower to appear.


Thanks for taking the time to respond. It is greatly appreciated, and nice to know you are still checking in and working these issues.

2012-02-21 20:45:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

Wow what a thread starter, the MM picks have slowed down considerably and eventually will go kaput. O well, back to creating and getting my 250 plays, if I am lucky.2012-02-22 05:39:00

Author:
L-I-M-I
Posts: 611

Wow what a thread starter, the MM picks have slowed down considerably and eventually will go kaput. O well, back to creating and getting my 250 plays, if I am lucky.

250 plays is a once in a blue moon thing LIMI :/		2012-02-22 09:59:00

Author:
LittleBigSnooth
Posts: 454


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