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Greenskeepers
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| A breeze of fresh air on LBP Community ^__^ http://i1.lbp.me/img/bl/801ade3ba6ac0bd52f715ea23365a7870b684f23.pngGreens keepersgreenskeepers_ The GreensKeepers are a group of model LBP citizens that uphold the values of the LBP community. We support and promote kindness, creativity, and sharing. "Together we can create a more beautiful world as long as we have the will to do it." -CSGEERIV | 2012-01-14 20:49:00 Author: OmegaSlayer  Posts: 5112 |
My levels have now been locked and this copied to my Earth.  | 2012-01-14 20:53:00 Author: bagheadinc  Posts: 172 |
| I think this is a nice opportunity to see that the community is a mature community. I hope this idea will rally change things and bring back a light-hearted spirit to the game. | 2012-01-14 21:00:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Why does this warrant a thread in News and Media? I bet if smaller name users put this here, it'd be locked or moved in a heartbeat. Anyways, your thread doesn't really say too much about exactly what your group does, or how it aims to influence the community. How about telling me exactly what this group does? I mean, while the Level Description makes it clear it's a group with an emphasis on getting along and making the LBP community more like people probably imagined it would be, but other than that, I really don't get it. Is it just another 'OMGZ we ply eech uffers lvlz n hart and upraet dem" deal? Also, is an interest in Golf necessary for admission? | 2012-01-14 21:06:00 Author: Ostler5000  Posts: 1017 |
| This is so great idea! LBP's community is really great and stuff like this can easily make it even better. And it uses just so little time of people's lives that nobody should be angry for it . I hope this will work and make community happy and kind place to be! | 2012-01-14 21:09:00 Author: Lakera-13  Posts: 85 |
| I played the level and I still don't 'get it'. There are magic mouths spouting fairly cliche stuff like 'We should all be nice to each other'. Well that's obvious. I get that this message should be spread but it sounds like an episode of Barney the Dinosaur. The thing that does annoy me isasking people to lock their other levels? Really? What does that accomplish? Why not ask people to thumbs up, heart and add a link to that level to try and get it to the cool pages so more people can see it? Sorry to sound bitter, I'm a little tired at the moment. Also, the next update for LBP is removing thumbs down, so that negativity will be gone. Comments, pictures and reviews can be deleted. If people are messaging you mean things, add them to your block list. Edit: In other news, what happened to the main forum page? All I see is a html message saying "Hello, mister CC, it seems you ignored my email? so if you want to re-think my offer how about you give me an email? aosdana000@gmail.com, thanks very much!' Wtf?! | 2012-01-14 21:46:00 Author: Jedi_1993  Posts: 1518 |
| Are you kidding me? This level is nothing more than a nice looking "Save LBP" level. The only thing different is that he's saying we should lock our levels so nobody can boo them. While I agree that we should be nicer in the community, if we block out any negativity, LBP2 will suffer the same fate as LBP1. Actually, no. We don't need to be nicer. This community is already too nice. Those "trolls" you guys see ruining your levels are nothing more then critics who are tired of the Cool Levels page being full of giveaways and copied levels. We should take the advice of those mean trolls as much as the calm critics. | 2012-01-14 21:58:00 Author: Chdonga  Posts: 388 |
| Whats this about? So everyone's just going to lock all their levels? That's just ruining MM's game for the people who are legit non-community inclined players. Whatever, I don't really play anymore anyways, have fun not playing eachother's levels! | 2012-01-14 23:37:00 Author: Fishrock123  Posts: 1578 |
| @Jedi: It seems as if it's been hacked. There's a thread in General Chat talking about it. | 2012-01-14 23:41:00 Author: Dragonvarsity  Posts: 5208 |
| Oh great, now Hazbell's replaced his Mm Pick level with this. Alright everybody, unheart Hazbell. | 2012-01-14 23:45:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388 |
| @Jedi: It seems as if it's been hacked. There's a thread in General Chat talking about it. Thanks, found that thread. Back on topic: So the plan is make spam to stop spam? I'm still very confused about this. | 2012-01-14 23:45:00 Author: Jedi_1993 Posts: 1518 |
| this sure sounds like a secret society to me... | 2012-01-15 02:47:00 Author: Mr_Fusion  Posts: 1799 |
| I think the lock is only meant to be temporary. I think it's a good thing to stop for a day or two and just reflect. I see it as a simulation of what would happen if people would stop publishing because of trolls and a nasty community. What would you find? Bomb survivals, copied levels... And seeing the reactions I support it even more, because I see that people immediately reacts savagely even to a peaceful form of protest, so yes, I think once more we should stop for a moment to think about how we relate to the game and the Community. | 2012-01-15 06:41:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| To be honest, my reaction is MEH, and I have no idea where there would be a savage reaction, maybe I'm not looking in the right places. Which is probably a good thing. I play levels from the Showcase, Spotlight and Recommendations thread. Sometimes these levels hit Cool pages and/or get Mm picked, and I feel good about the fact that I supported the community by helping these levels get recognition. Infact I spent the better part of the day doing just this. I have little to no idea of what this is trying to accomplish or will accomplish. But I actually haven't played the level. I have a habit of not playing copied cool page spam levels. Which is why the message is probably lost on me. It seems like people are protesting things that have an expiration date... the 'bad part' of LBP is going to be changed in the next update. You can't boo levels, and you can disable re-enable comments. So whats a troll going to do come the next update? The best the can do is use all of their alt accounts to NOT play your levels. If the want to spam you, you just switch them off. | 2012-01-15 10:25:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799 |
| It seems like people are protesting things that have an expiration date... the 'bad part' of LBP is going to be changed in the next update. You can't boo levels, and you can disable re-enable comments. Problem is that a lot of people don't know that, and when the update happens, these people will think that their spamfest worked in making a difference. Also, I finally realised what the level makes me think of. The 'leader' from the Simpsons. | 2012-01-15 10:34:00 Author: Jedi_1993 Posts: 1518 |
| @Jedi_1993 The interesting part about this is your Spyro level is/was on the cool pages, but has been pushed down a few slots and off of the first page because of this level. Which is a shame, because it looks like even if intended to be peaceful it still is hurting your and other community member's legitimate efforts. | 2012-01-15 10:44:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799 |
| I think this is a nice opportunity to see that the community is a mature community. I hope this idea will rally change things and bring back a light-hearted spirit to the game. Its not a mature community, we know this, publishing a level isnt going to make kids or morons grow up. How can it. I wouldn't even call this Green whatever it is action mature, but each to their own. I think the lock is only meant to be temporary. I think it's a good thing to stop for a day or two and just reflect. I see it as a simulation of what would happen if people would stop publishing because of trolls and a nasty community. What would you find? Bomb survivals, copied levels... And seeing the reactions I support it even more, because I see that people immediately reacts savagely even to a peaceful form of protest, so yes, I think once more we should stop for a moment to think about how we relate to the game and the Community. You can see the reaction in the community, and the hate its causing yet you support it more? Wasnt the point of it to unite the community? Its certainly not doing that is it. Its preachy and self righteous, and not helping the community one bit, I'm sorry. One good thing is, I suppose I'm active around here again the last couple of weeks, unfortunately its not the way I would have liked to re-appear on the scene. | 2012-01-15 11:01:00 Author: GruntosUK  Posts: 1754 |
| im so glad there are people thinking the same way as me, whos with me on the fact that the lbp servers where pretty fine and dandy anyways, if you know how to use it, and this is almost pointless and is even maybe making it worse. how about make a level for a charity or recycling etc, real problems, instead of one someones effectively making up or re surfacing. Ive already seen good levels disappear in replace of this spam and now im just hoping for the sake of everything that they stop asking ridiculous things from people. Maturity. dont get me started on that. if mature is locking levels so you can only play one, that isnt fun, then I should run for president because i would win the election, blow up Asia and become head of the u.n. within the hour. now can we please just drop this rubbish and get on with our lives? | 2012-01-15 12:36:00 Author: nerzdadestroyer  Posts: 1527 |
| Pointless endeavour. Basically a mass attention-seek. Whilst I agree with the points the Greenskeepers' "cult" pursues, locking levels in some sort of "stand" is hardly going to alter the situation for good. I don't think people really care that much. | 2012-01-15 12:46:00 Author: Breezy-The-Pro Posts: 134 |
| Itsagameitsagameitsagameitsagameitsagameitsagameit sagameitsagameitsagameitsagameitsagameitsagameitsa gameitsagameitsagame | 2012-01-15 13:16:00 Author: BasketSnake  Posts: 2391 |
| Its not a mature community, we know this, publishing a level isnt going to make kids or morons grow up. How can it. I wouldn't even call this Green whatever it is action mature, but each to their own. You can see the reaction in the community, and the hate its causing yet you support it more? Wasnt the point of it to unite the community? Its certainly not doing that is it. Its preachy and self righteous, and not helping the community one bit, I'm sorry. One good thing is, I suppose I'm active around here again the last couple of weeks, unfortunately its not the way I would have liked to re-appear on the scene. Well... The point is that, once again we have the same result. It's not the game that is broken. It's us. While I agree on removing the "boos", and have always been against them, I seriously think that censoring one's own profile page and comment on levels show tha the Community is not mature. Instead of curing a problem we try to cut it. Disabling comments it's like closing a factory that doesn't work properly, you cut both the defective items and the good ones. Also, I support this because, yeah, there is a problem, some see it, some doesn't care, some doesn't see the problem at all but I prefer to take a kind of action, that many may not approve (gladly, because I always favored freedom of speech and thought), than waiting that the problem solve itselves or waiting that someone fixes it. If something, even if this goes wrong, it will send a message anyway. Good or bad...but anyway an exprience to learn from. Wrong or good, it gave people a reason to use their brain. | 2012-01-15 13:41:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| I think the basic idea behind this is good. It seems more and more common for people to be outright rude/mean in comments and reviews now. It's also becoming less acceptable to give honest, constructive criticism lest you be labeled a troll or hater. There's just a lot of negativity going around lately. However, I don't feel that encouraging eveyone to lock all their levels and just have this copied message everywhere is quite the right way to address things. Eh, I have a feeling this will all blow over and be forgotten in the next couple days anyway, just as all other "save LBP" efforts have. Still, the level and sentiments made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy_a3oCDzRA Particularly 0:20 - 0:30. I still find it so inspiring. | 2012-01-15 13:42:00 Author: Timelord_X  Posts: 55 |
| I thought this thread would have a few tips on how to get a perfect lawn in time for summer...sheeesh! Instead I see it's another petition type level movement, which in themselves are another problem destroying the perception of LBP. Anyone who has played LBP from day one will have come to understand by now that it has its negative side and spamming, trolling elements but it is up to each of us to make and take what we want from our LBP experience. When you consider the vast number of sackboys out there never go on any LBP forum and really just shape their experience and behaviours on LBP itself they see something like this and think cool I'll make a half assed petition level for some plays and hearts. For real effective change you have to look to MM themselves who have a track record bordering on complete incompetence and negligence in regards the community experience ( so many bugs unfixed/ letting hackers (ravens, clay etc.) ruin LBP1 for months without intervention.) The fate of LBP2 was inevitably cast by poor behaviours learned by many on LBP1 and now making their presence felt. | 2012-01-15 15:04:00 Author: EnochRoot  Posts: 533 |
| I'm confused as to why this was moved to the showcase thread. Maybe it should be moved to the Recommendations thread. That was weird. The thread moved while I was still in here. It's Magic. Aya is really David Copperfield in disguise. | 2012-01-15 16:07:00 Author: biorogue  Posts: 8424 |
| Also, is an interest in Golf necessary for admission? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUwqXr-TTVw | 2012-01-15 16:11:00 Author: bagheadinc Posts: 172 |
| I must admit, I'm kinda neutral on this :/ On one hand. I understand what they want.... But on the otherhand, I kinda like the way it is... But, meh..... Just try be positive about the game, M'kay? | 2012-01-15 16:28:00 Author: Valeview  Posts: 1581 |
| Why are people supporting that indie rock band now? Oh wait. | 2012-01-15 17:29:00 Author: bonner123  Posts: 1487 |
| If y'ask me, the community just needs a serious dose of intelligence. Like, any amount of knowledge to these kids about what trolls are and how they can be blocked out - plus the realization that what Cool Pages' levels are and how they can be so much better if they applied themselves - would improve the community immensely. | 2012-01-15 17:48:00 Author: SLS10  Posts: 1129 |
| Why are people supporting that indie rock band now? Oh wait. Very similar. Behind the scenes someone is screaming 'It puts the lotion on its skin!' Personally I think this sort of stuff is also trolling. | 2012-01-15 20:11:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799 |
| It seems like people are protesting things that have an expiration date... the 'bad part' of LBP is going to be changed in the next update. You can't boo levels... They're going to remove the ability to not like levels? Ugh. It's like Mm is supporting the h4hers now. | 2012-01-15 20:26:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388 |
| I believe the following video summarizes me and bonner123's feelings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOHkr7R5K0&feature=youtu.be | 2012-01-15 20:49:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| They're going to remove the ability to not like levels? Ugh. It's like Mm is supporting the h4hers now. No. They are getting rid of boos. So your options are 'no vote' 'yay' and 'heart'. So this removes the most used troll ability of mass booing your stuff. Locking comments mean you can get controll of your Earth back by limiting spam. Although a troll can lock their earth and then spam people I guess. But they loose a lot of validation that way. If they leave their planet open then it's clear that they just want attention. | 2012-01-15 21:34:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799 |
| No. They are getting rid of boos. So your options are 'no vote' 'yay' and 'heart'. The only thing good about that is that you won't need to worry about some kid mass booing your levels for not giving your levels ratings/reviews they don't like. But still, this removing the ability to boo makes the rating system completely unfair and makes it even harder for someone to give their opinion on a level. To prevent trolls from trolling is a terrible reason because they can still abuse other things. If you only have the choice of liking a level or loving it, trolls could abuse that too. They could just upvote spam levels. Then the staff will have to remove the rating system and base a level's popularity on how many plays it has, which trolls could abuse too. There's no use removing anything just to combat trolls, because they can find other ways to troll. | 2012-01-15 21:49:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388 |
| I believe the following video summarizes me and bonner123's feelings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOHkr7R5K0&feature=youtu.be The Phallus shaped sand castle at 4.10 in the video has inspired me to start making a south park parody of this level. Anyone wishing to suggest some suitable jokes or dialogue just leave them on my profile....might run with copying the level causing you to die as in the movie The Ring but with Kenny crawling out of a well at the scoreboard. | 2012-01-15 22:30:00 Author: EnochRoot Posts: 533 |
| I believe the following video summarizes me and bonner123's feelings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOHkr7R5K0&feature=youtu.be I thought the movement itself was juvenile until I saw that. | 2012-01-15 23:15:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754 |
| Edit: In other news, what happened to the main forum page? All I see is a html message saying "Hello, mister CC, it seems you ignored my email? so if you want to re-think my offer how about you give me an email? aosdana000@gmail.com, thanks very much!' Wtf?! I think it happened to everybody, happeed to me when i wanted to publish a thread. :/ | 2012-01-16 00:19:00 Author: Macasadia Posts: 153 |
| And no boos what eliminate the whole value of yays. The only thing is that if there are boos, well, look at the community now. Stevebigguns actually has 1000+boos on most of his levels. Sadly, I don't think anything will help that. But disabling comments and stuff=good idea (advertisers ._.) but boos... Like I said, it will take the value of yays and hearts. We would just have to get rid of most 7 year olds, oops, I mean trolls. | 2012-01-16 00:28:00 Author: Macasadia Posts: 153 |
| I would like to say a few words if that's ok. I know I'm not very active on here but I am active on other LBP fansites and I try to visit here as much as I can. I'm sorry to see that this community at least seems rather unsupportive of this IDEA. It's just an IDEA, not a cult, not a club, not anything evil. What's wrong with trying to get everyone to be positive and attempt to wipe out the hate? Negative criticism is NOT necessary, but constructive criticism is extremely necessary! So hopefully with the next update (making comments optional) it will help the people that are having issues with trolling and threats. I myself am a nobody in the community so I don't get targeted and I play tons and tons of levels every week and haven't actually seen anything terrible. But I have heard about some horrible comments being left on some of my friends levels and profiles and that is what makes me upset. I don't think excessive trolling and verbal threats are a good thing, I hope we can all agree on that. The people that have become victims of said abuse want to fight back and the way they are doing this is to encourage positivity in the community. I fully support this and hope others can hop on board too. Also, you don't HAVE TO lock your levels, this is just another part of the idea to move forward and leave the hate behind. You don't have to copy the level to your planet either. Those are just suggestions. If you want to support the cause, then just play community levels and give good, constructive feedback. Continue to create awesome levels. It's simple really. I'm terrible at creating so I tend to stay away from my moon lol. But like I said I play tons and tons of levels and I do my best to leave feedback that will be useful to the creator. That's how I can do my part in the community! Thanks for listening! lol | 2012-01-16 00:36:00 Author: Smurfetta5683  Posts: 299 |
| Hmm. . . I don't really understand why this has to be done. Honestly, the effect this will have on anyone, let alone the community as a whole, will be minimal. Negativity is an everyday part of life. It keeps everything in perspective. The LBP community is one of the least negative communities I've been a part of, but you are as free to support your opinions as I am to support my own. | 2012-01-16 00:57:00 Author: piggabling  Posts: 2979 |
| We would just have to get rid of most 7 year olds, oops, I mean trolls. Why not do both? | 2012-01-16 01:14:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388 |
| I don't think I have ever booed a level. I don't see the point. Somebody went to some level of effort to make it so a boo can be considered a bit of a slap in the face. I read descriptions and look at other level information before I play. Haven't really ever played any 'bad' levels because of this. Any bad levels like not well built I don't rate, it's not really fair to boo it. My rating system is I either play the level or not. If I do play it and don't like them/know them I look at their earth and decide if they would like encouraging feedback, and move on. If I liked it I'll yay it and look at the rest of their planet. Hearts may then turn up. I try to leave feedback in the showcase thread and give short feedback on locked levels of people I know and it it has been booed by people that can't even play it. Even funnier is I have now, to varying degrees offered input on 3 Mm picked levels, a competition crown winning level and some other stuff. I leave a comment on the level when published like... Looks great, good luck. I'm credited in some way and my comment gets booed by the people that stalk them. My funniest boos: I made a lockbox level and very clearly say there is no point to load it unless I have given out the code in advance. Someone booed it saying it was 'too hard'. Well, yes it's a 9 digit combination lock. I said don't play it. I made some car logic for an upcoming Batman stage by draculdisho and he published a teaser for the tumbler and batbike. He credited my input with something like 'vehicles powered by Mr_Fusion' and I left a comment after that saying something didn't seem to be working. Someone then said 'you make something better' and my comment was booed. Lots of Lols were had that day. | 2012-01-16 03:19:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799 |
| I thought the movement itself was juvenile until I saw that. Eh. We had fun, that's all that matters. :B | 2012-01-16 06:26:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| I believe the following video summarizes me and bonner123's feelings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOHkr7R5K0&feature=youtu.be I visited here just to see if people stopped to talk about it. Sure, you made this thing way lot bigger and serious than it was. I had almost given up to this GreensKeepers stuff until I saw this. Actually I usually found the SLS/Bonner team quite amusing, but seriously, you talk about maturity and take the hassle to do a vid to mock up something in an immature way. Stuff like this imho reinforces the point of the GreensKeepers. What if people would start a campaign against your humorous levels? You know you could be targeted by bigots, since your levels are quite borderline. I know your answers: "Who cares...we would laugh" Fine, but that doesn't mean that the thing in itself is right. I always thought at LBP like a place to share something, being it art, feelings or skills, a place for everyone, even movements like GreensKeepers. You support them, OK, you don't...fine, they haven't knocked at your door. Though, again the lack of respect towards other positions clearly show a narrow mind. Didn't expect it from you guys, seriously. RESPECT for me is the most important thing around, even when you don't share other people's opinion. | 2012-01-16 06:49:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Not sure if this warrants it's own recommendation thread, but Turbo_Egg_Salad is onboard... or not. Re: Greenskeepers: Do-gooders From Planet Pretentious (http://lbp.me/v/9e2gq1) I like to think that I'm mature... until I laugh at this sort of stuff. | 2012-01-16 07:58:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799 |
| I'm going to try to bite my acid tongue here since so many of my friends support the "movement", but let's just say...well...I see it as a somewhat naive and futile exercise and I'm very, very cynical about the whole thing. | 2012-01-16 08:36:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| I visited here just to see if people stopped to talk about it. Sure, you made this thing way lot bigger and serious than it was. I had almost given up to this GreensKeepers stuff until I saw this. Actually I usually found the SLS/Bonner team quite amusing, but seriously, you talk about maturity and take the hassle to do a vid to mock up something in an immature way. Stuff like this imho reinforces the point of the GreensKeepers. What if people would start a campaign against your humorous levels? You know you could be targeted by bigots, since your levels are quite borderline. I know your answers: "Who cares...we would laugh" Fine, but that doesn't mean that the thing in itself is right. I always thought at LBP like a place to share something, being it art, feelings or skills, a place for everyone, even movements like GreensKeepers. You support them, OK, you don't...fine, they haven't knocked at your door. Though, again the lack of respect towards other positions clearly show a narrow mind. Didn't expect it from you guys, seriously. RESPECT for me is the most important thing around, even when you don't share other people's opinion. Yes respect is important, as is honesty, freedom of speech and expression. My concern is the lurch towards what amounts to censorship, disabling reviewing functions that can give an objective opinion. Removing or disabling the boos is not necessarily the answer but publishing mediocre copyable spam petition levels is certainly not the answer either.I've noticed inane reviews or comments are often met with a host of boos by fair minded folk. By all means encourage polite, friendly feedback behaviours but don't discount the views of others. But like buses, I'm sure there will be another spammy petition level passing through any minute now. | 2012-01-16 08:43:00 Author: EnochRoot Posts: 533 |
| I think that "Boos" never had a reason to be in the game. If the level is not good you don't rate it, if the level is inappropriate you goodgrief it. Boo in my opinion is a thing lacking sensitivity. Locking comment/reviews is self mutilation imho. Close the candy store because kids can't judge how many sweets they can eat before they get a pain in the tummy. You see, everyone has a valid point. Ignoring other people's points is stupid. Lacking respect is arrogant. Though the community always waits a messiah to do things then puts him on the cross once he desires to help. | 2012-01-16 08:59:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Well just played it as I didn't fully get the message or concept from the OP. Pleasant little level with a nice message. I won't be copying it or locking my levels however  As I said in my rev, some folks are just cranky! Or have too much time on their hands, or just plain immature, or... You get the idea I didn't actually realise they were removing the boo option. Personally I'd have put a mod team together to squish some trolls, there's probably not even a great many of them, once the message gets out that boo'ing sprees and comment trolling get you cautioned/banned, it would see the number of these idiots reduced. I guess my way costs more money than a dev making a few changes to the code for a blanket effect. Weather it has some negative effect or not, it's a quick fire way to deal with trolls. So while I wish it wasn't so, there is no denying this function is abused and therefore I understand the decision to take it out. At the end of the day, there are also good folks around, with common sense and manners. Assosicate with them, play your game, enjoy yourself. The Internet has its share of trolls, that will never change. | 2012-01-16 17:57:00 Author: Masseyf  Posts: 226 |
| On deviant art you have to option to tell people you like advanced critism or ask them to keep it mild. Personally If a level is great I will tell so, but if i think its a level with great potential but lacking some stuff, may it be the final touches may it be some game breaking stuff I would like to give advanced critism. Tell the creator what is flawed, and preferable also how it could be fixed. The problem i see with this is that you dont always know how old the creator is. Giving a kid advanced critism can often feel like bashing a level while this is totally not the intention. Just removing Boo's only does so much. I dont mind people boo-ing my levels (though i do prefer them telling me why), but the thing that does amaze me is some of the level comments and reviews left on my and others their levels. "If you where a seaturtle you would drown" might be quite mild and I could laugh about it. But in case of the Vacation to Beh'Ta Island a kid got really upset because the bot in the end scene slapped his gf into the well he went on a full out rrrraaaggge burst saying words like.. well im not even gonna post them here. I dont think the danger is in the Boo's but still in the comment and review sections. You can take away the boo's but you cant take away the words.. well in the future you can, but that means you are disabling both the good and the bad comments.. which to me seems pointless. I can already see bad people posting the most horrific stuff on levels and by disable their own profile/level comments making sure nobody can reply back may it be in a decent manner, may it be a rrraagggee fit right back at that person. Imho, Dev's should mute those kind of people for a week/month and post a comment on their profile saying why he/she is muted and then disable the option to post stuff on that persons levels or profiles for the same period. (Or call their parents and tell them what the person did if that was possible) That said (as my opinion). I do understand what the greenkeepers are trying to do, and i support their thoughts. Will it change anything? I doubt it.. I hope so.. but sadly I doubt it. Kids will be kids, teens will be teens, adults will be adults (who can still act like kids or teens). I noticed that if someone posts a rather angry comment on my profile/levels and I reply to them in a nice adult manner telling them why I think its sad they did it I often get a reply back saying sorry. (if they do go on the defence and up the ante by cursing some more I just ignore them) All we can do is either ignore bad comments, or try to stay nice and tell them with sincere respect how their comment made us feel. (and thank them for any REAL advanced critism) Personally.. I just want to create and if I would let my emotions get the better of me each time someone says something offensive I would act like I did way back on lbpc. and I am not that person anymore. I just want to create, try to stay friendly and yes.. its almost sounding like a cliche.. "Spread the love". *Hug* Luos McOldfart | 2012-01-16 17:58:00 Author: Luos_83  Posts: 2136 |
| I'm with OmegaSlayer, I'd given up completely on LBP since yesterday when I played this level on jocko's planet. I'd been playing Uncharted 3 only because that game is totally dope (beside the point) and because my favorite game (LBP) was going downhill fast. The community was sluggish, only publishing unpolished loads of garbage for the most part, I had run out of creating steam, and it just wasn't fun anymore. Then I played this and realized, you know what, there was a reason I played this game for so long, it gave me a realization that there are still creators who care about this game, and will work to make the community what it once was. I'm still not going to lock my levels, I'm a selfish little troll who wants as many plays and hearts as I can salvage, but I agree with the message for the most part. The message might be cheesy and have some holes, but I think it's a great way to try and revitalize the spirit of the game we all knew and love a couple years back. Then again it might just be a desperate attempt for the creator of the level to find extra publicity.. hmmm.. whatever! | 2012-01-16 18:03:00 Author: Jayhawk_er  Posts: 403 |
is there something im missing? i didnt see a problem with lbp and i havnt for a while now. this seemed, to me, to come up a totally isolated and random time. could somebody explain why exactly they are "giving up on lbp" or is it just a way of saying you dont wanna play it any more? because thats all right you know, games come and go. we all know this and none of us are ever really too worried are we? and i have high hopes for Mm in the future. but that being said, lbp is a great game. unique in many ways and im sure it will never truly die out, a lot like good ol classics that are still being played to this day such as Pacman. I wouldnt worry too much. if your a bit bored of lbp, thats fine. its been years since lbp started and you gotta take a break some time. go play some other games for a bit, maybe even a year and then come back. who knows, great things could happen in just a year.  | 2012-01-16 21:47:00 Author: nerzdadestroyer Posts: 1527 |
| is there something im missing? i didnt see a problem with lbp and i havnt for a while now. this seemed, to me, to come up a totally isolated and random time. could somebody explain why exactly they are "giving up on lbp" or is it just a way of saying you dont wanna play it any more? People are giving up on LBP because the community really is garbage. I know this is a tired example, but just by looking at the state the Cool Levels page is. When someone makes a level that is groundbreaking, it gets overlooked by some costume giveaway or some level that does a worse job of what your level does. Many creators think there is just no use trying to make anything on LBP because it will get overlooked. And it's more work than it is worth going on some forum, digging through never finished projects to find some nice level that you'll play once. | 2012-01-16 22:31:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388 |
| People are giving up on LBP because the community really is garbage. I know this is a tired example, but just by looking at the state the Cool Levels page is. When someone makes a level that is groundbreaking, it gets overlooked by some costume giveaway or some level that does a worse job of what your level does. Many creators think there is just no use trying to make anything on LBP because it will get overlooked. And it's more work than it is worth going on some forum, digging through never finished projects to find some nice level that you'll play once. It's not only that. That would be so "simple" You know what upsets me, and I'll say it for the millionth time...how people receive levels. How contests and spotlights have become useless. If levels winning contests or getting spotlighted reach only 500 plays is because even the community in the forums (that thinks to be pure and superior to bomb survival creators) is crap. Gah, I said it. We're crap, all, me included. So, I like this childish and naive spirit. | 2012-01-17 15:37:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| *smells* Yea.. I am crap too, i need to take a long bath* | 2012-01-17 15:40:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136 |
| As talasea says on her profile " The community you get is the community you create" the faster we can make people want to mke things for themselves, the better community we will have. But thats near impossible as almost everybody is doing it. EDIT: and wooh, it has been a long time since I have posted on any forum! | 2012-01-17 16:02:00 Author: StaticLinuxpro  Posts: 482 |
| haha, well the word 'game' is key here. games arnt usually mature really are they? everyone likes a laugh and if you only play and create for people to notice you, theres no point in playing at all. You dont play a game to be noticed, you play to have fun. My level 'tribe of puzzles' was only played by about 6 people and ive gone on to publish another level, both of which i worked hard on. I know its been said loads but, I create because i enjoy it. Create for yourself and not for fame. because lbp fame isnt really fame is it? | 2012-01-17 16:02:00 Author: nerzdadestroyer Posts: 1527 |
| haha, well the word 'game' is key here. games arnt usually mature really are they? everyone likes a laugh and if you only play and create for people to notice you, theres no point in playing at all. You dont play a game to be noticed, you play to have fun. My level 'tribe of puzzles' was only played by about 6 people and ive gone on to publish another level, both of which i worked hard on. I know its been said loads but, I create because i enjoy it. Create for yourself and not for fame. because lbp fame isnt really fame is it? Yes but if you have people ruining the fun. Then what? I like to be able to go on the cool pages, and find a decent level at least once a week. That would be a dream. | 2012-01-17 16:08:00 Author: StaticLinuxpro Posts: 482 |
| haha, well the word 'game' is key here. games arnt usually mature really are they? everyone likes a laugh and if you only play and create for people to notice you, theres no point in playing at all. You dont play a game to be noticed, you play to have fun. My level 'tribe of puzzles' was only played by about 6 people and ive gone on to publish another level, both of which i worked hard on. I know its been said loads but, I create because i enjoy it. Create for yourself and not for fame. because lbp fame isnt really fame is it? Again, yes and no. The big mistake again is seeing things either black or white. For some is just a game, for others not. Not accepting that for some it can be something different is a mistake, people should accept it. Then trying to be artistic and express something doesn't mean aiming for fame, etc... Even for some people gaming is JUST a serious hobby, not a way to spend time. You people make it so easy while nothing is easy. Never. IMHO, the moment in which you have to tweek logic for more than 2 minutes, you're doing it to offer something enjoyable to other people, thus killikng the "I do it fo' mahself" concept. I play guitar for myself, and I don't publish what I do...just saying... | 2012-01-17 16:56:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| I support the Greenskeepers initiative. Not because I believe that an army of angsty 11 year old misfits can be taught respect, decency and some frigging basic manners (that is their parent's job). But because I believe the (mentally) grownups in this game occasionally need to be reminded of a positive outlook and that because of it they should join forces, share talent and make cool stuff. So here are a few things you may or may not know: There is a whole bunch of known and lesser known creators out there who, like me, support this idea. Either by helping spread some awareness or by giving us all a pat on the shoulder. Remember, if you are the type of person who calls this movement names, you are probably taking cheap shots at some of your friends, co-creators and favorite people in general. The message, focus on the message. Forget that silly copying and locking, that is just a vehicle to get speed and attention. The copying does not hurt anyone (where is the outrage about yet another shark survival level on CPs?), nor does locking ones levels some of you think you are entitled to. There is no conspiracy, no secret elite, no war, no "end of LBP" and most of you will have forgotten this and moved on in one or two weeks time. The folks who continue to fuel a made-up controversy are the people who are desperately seeking to syphon attention to themselves. The success of the message, the idea, is not determined by the number of copies made, levels locked, hearts and plays received or trolls butt hurt. It is already a success if it reminds a few of us out there about why we liked this game in the first place, if someone who quit LBP returns with a bit of hope restored. It is already a success if you who agrees with the message decides to act on it; create, share and be positive. So what is in it for you? Good question. And I think you know the answer best yourself. If you are a regular here on LBPC, chances are you already like to engage in a community, make friends and share good vibes. Maybe you didn't need a reminder in the form of an innocent treehouse level. But maybe you know people who do need it. Or maybe you can leave a good review on a level whose creator needs it. Or help someone with their logic. Or entertain people. Does this make me preachy? Does this insult you? Does this hurt your sensitivities? Yes, it is "just a game". So is any type of sport and those have some pretty good ideas to what is good sportsmanship. Take from it what you find valuable. Or move on. Because hissing and p**sing at it will not make a positive idea go away. | 2012-01-17 20:09:00 Author: Antikris  Posts: 1340 |
| Well said! | 2012-01-17 20:32:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777  Posts: 3458 |
| Can't they just spread the message without locking anything out? I can't see how people will have a better time in LBP if they want to play some awesome levels and find them locked. By the looks of things this Greenskeepers level has become viral, there's no need to resort to extreme stuff like locking out levels to raise awareness. By the way, the negativism will never leave LBP. Never. It's a behaviour people can discourage, weed out, minimize, but never eliminate completely. Efforts like awareness levels and MM removing anything that's capable of offending overly sensitive minds will have a limited effect. See, every community has trolls, haters and griefers. It's human nature. Like Penny Arcade says: normal person + anonymity + audience = total f-wad. There'll always be cheaters in Call of Duty, there will always be experienced dudes beating the crap out of noobs in World of Warcraft, there will always be griefers in Minecraft filling your house up with TNT. The existence of this negativity isn't the reason why people think LBP needs to be saved and the community has to be united. That's a delusion. LBP doesn't need to be saved. It never did. People think LBP needs salvation because they let all the negativity get to them. You only get p*ssed off because you allow people to p*ss you off. Just disconnect yourself from all the 10 year olds, ignore the trolls, give the haters a cold shoulder and imagine the spammers and H4Hers as a different community that doesn't belong with the serious creators. Your mental health will improve greatly. | 2012-01-18 08:13:00 Author: SnipySev  Posts: 2452 |
| I play guitar for myself, and I don't publish what I do... This is a sentence I'm looking for for so long ! @OmegaSlayer and Antikris Both have said pretty much everything about this case, although I do not understand that some people in LBPC missed that point. | 2012-01-18 09:05:00 Author: goranilic  Posts: 332 |
| OMG with this thing of locking levels. Any creator is entitled to shut his stuff IF he wants for how long he wants. Face it, players have no DIVINE RIGHT over the levels...since most of the creator say that "THEY CREATE FOR THEMSELVES", a level is just an act of kindness and should not considered a GIVEN. Nothing in this world is a given. That's what the level lock means. It's a rude thing but should help understanding that when you play a level you should be grateful to the creator for his time and love. I remember that once when people reviewed levels here or in game, the reviews often ended with "Thanks for sharing" Remember, having people making good level is neither a given nor a right. The existence of this negativity isn't the reason why people think LBP needs to be saved and the community has to be united. That's a delusion. LBP doesn't need to be saved. It never did. People think LBP needs salvation because they let all the negativity get to them. You only get p*ssed off because you allow people to p*ss you off. Just disconnect yourself from all the 10 year olds, ignore the trolls, give the haters a cold shoulder and imagine the spammers and H4Hers as a different community that doesn't belong with the serious creators. Your mental health will improve greatly. First, not all the trolls are 10 years old unfortunately, and there are subtler ways to troll than "You're lame messages" | 2012-01-18 09:18:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Omega, I never said that people should subject their levels to the will of the people who play it. I meant that locking stuff won't have any real benefit. Lock your level and yes, there won't be any ungrateful idiots playing it, but the people who are willing to properly appreciate it and congratulate you for your effort won't be able to play it either. It's an extreme and ultimately redundant measure, like burning down a whole forest to avoid having people litter it. First, not all the trolls are 10 years old unfortunately, and there are subtler ways to troll than "You're lame messages" I know not all trolls are 10, that's why I referenced "10 year olds" and "trolls" as separate entities. And all trolls are annoying, subtle or not. | 2012-01-18 11:21:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452 |
| Has someone ever understood the difference of "LOCKING" and "ERASING"? LOCK (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lock) / ERASE (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/erase) Asking to lock the levels and not erase them means by itself a temporary situation. | 2012-01-18 12:51:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Even though I think the level itself is somewhat ridiculous, asking everyone to embrace the goodness in LBP, there is a strong message for those that notice it. The community needs to be more appreciative for what others have made. Although I don't think this will really have any influence on trolls, I don't believe there were many other ways to say it. It needed to be said, that's for sure. I've seen too many decent creators suffocated by a few players who thought it'd be fun to ridicule their work. It takes a long time to publish a level, and when this happens, it's as if that time was wasted. There is no requirement to publish levels. There is no tangible benefit. Really the only thing you can get from publishing levels is the satisfaction that someone has played it, and enjoyed it. For this reason, I consider boos things which significantly undermine the entire reason for publishing a level, and their removal is something I support. As for all the level locking, it's just meant to be a 'strike' by creators that their efforts are not properly appreciated. I don't think it really did anything, but perhaps some youths that like bashing other players saw this message from their favourite creator and had an epiphany.... as unlikely as that may be. IMO, the level should have focused on real issues instead of beating around the bush. Instead of telling people that LBP is a world of sharing, something more along the lines of how 'people spend hours just to give you a few minutes worth of enjoyment from a level' might have been more effective and better understood. I dunno, not entirely in the spirit of the 'Greenskeepers', but it appears as if the importance of the level was lost, replaced by people seeing it as just another movement to 'save' LPB. Afterall, we all did buy LBP, a game that is primarily based on creating and sharing. Not violence, not trolling, not spamming, not negativity. I can't deny that it does seem a bit ignorant, but it's nice to see that this does have some support in the general community. | 2012-01-18 15:05:00 Author: SSTAGG1  Posts: 1136 |
| Alright, I've been hovering around reading all the responses to the Greenskeepers movement and carefully watched it's popularity grow over the past few days. The message compared to the ill responses seems like it is in vain.. Just look at the comments on the Greenskeepers level. They are almost all trolls but also legitimate creators and players speaking out against it. So as a message to hopefully suppress trolls and make LBP a nicer friendlier community.. don't you think it's kinda... not doing that? The locking part seems to be the big red flag for most. Locking levels as a "peaceful protest" comes across as an attempt to control. Any time anyone locks levels, deletes them, refuses to publish them or especially threatens to do so, looks like a power trip to straighten out those who take the levels for granted, but as the creators of those levels you all have every right to do that. It's just not a very "friendly or communal" thing to do. The other red flag is the copying. Tons and tons of noobs and naive kids will copy any level just because the option is available. Last I checked the level had around 100 copies and a copy or two on every page of the cool pages.. With such a vague and "stating the obvious" statement, the immense spread of this level itself is problematic. There will be copies of this poping up for weeks and maybe even months to come. At the end of it all most are resorting to the fallback excuse of "It makes people think".. lol... Well that's kinda what I've been trying to do about spreading the exposure to other creators instead of the same ones over and over and over again. No matter how much evidence I have been able to provide, not a single person actually looks into it or regards anything. Just sees what I'm saying as "they don't deserve this' and defensive responses continue. When the system is so grossly split between those who get tons of attention and those who get hardly any. I personally think this is THE BIGGEST issue in in LBP and certainly a lot easier to fix than convincing a bunch of trolls and kids to "be nice".  but no one is ready to accept this as an issue.. and it must be at least acknowledged before steps to help can be taken. Speaking of that, I feel that a somewhat more balanced community is much more like a community. No one is supposed to be favored in a community. I'd say LBP is a boarderline caste system. I don't think hearts and plays should be looked at as "fame" because they are simply statistics and numbers that have meaning. If you have 100 hearts, that means 100 external links to your planet that other people chose to give you. This means that a creator with less, is harder to find among all the others while a creator with a few thousand is quite easy to find. Not to mention giving someone with less helps them a little more than giving someone with a few thousand. I hate how hard it was to find certain creators because of their low heart counts, not to mention that they should probably get more exposure on their level that I played that made me mad about how hard it was to find them lol. The Greenskeepers show how badly the favoritism can be abused. I'm going to use Antkris as an example because of his post... In a mere 4 days the Greenskeepers have achieved 144 hearts and 1,725 plays on the main level. That is more than Antikris has gotten in the existence of his PSN and levels. That's more plays than all of his levels combined INCLUDING his copied Greenskeepers level! O_O Now I completely respect Antikris's modesty about his skills and creating for himself satisfying him, but what I'm trying to show with these numbers is that all these plays and hearts could have gone to other creators and levels instead of this group. It would be incredibly nice to see several creators get 144 hearts and over 1,000 plays in less than a week. Especially for those that have spent so much time on their levels and have less than that. I know I'l be pretty mad when the Greenskeepers level gets more plays than any of my levels had in their months of existence.. it just feels like level bullying and stomps on the feet of those who spent tons of time creating and promoting their own levels. It seems like almost everyone would agree that LBP is about making friends and playing levels together.. not about plays, hearts etc. I actually play it for the opposite reason. I don't play LBP to make friends. I have no desire to form any relationships with anyone, especially over the internet with a bunch of strangers, but I have just met people that are too nice, creative, helpful, inspirational, and supportive to deny them as friends. Even considering that, I play levels and create alone 99.9% of the time. Why? 1. I can focus on creating with no distractions and be relatively quick and productive. 2. I can find levels easier and faster. 3. I can take my time in each level to see all that the creator put into it and try to find bugs or exploits that I can notify them about. 4. I can write long reviews without having a guest wait because I think that is rude and I want the creator to know that I enjoyed the level, what may could be done to improve certain parts or fix bugs. 5. I can write long comments.. Including but not limited to, praising a level I really enjoyed, asking the creator a question or request that they play one of mine and tell me what they think. (usually it just ends up being a long paragraph with all 3 things.. lol) ^That's my idea of play, create and share, and how I choose to participate in those LBP fundamentals. I really only join people to chat about LBP, see other creators current projects or show my own if they are interested. I play LBP to create and support other creators awesome creations. I love that my levels can be seen by so many people all over the world and I'm willing bust my butt to attempt to get all those I really want to see them to check them out. Yes, multiple long requests that are constantly ignored is frustrating but I continue to create regardless... because it is fun. No amount of rejection from other creators or harassment of trolls can take that from me. | 2012-01-18 19:34:00 Author: Dortr  Posts: 548 |
| @ Dortr... I thought we were friends... Actually I agree pretty much with everything you say. I also play and create alone, and always try hard to leave feedback. Some of these people come and play my levels and leave feedback the 70 or so hearts now next to my name come from this. The source of anger that a lot of creators feel comes for seeing levels rocket past theirs when they clearly have no time spent on them. This level was part of that, the ability to compy it made it so. The greenskeeper's message wasn't aimed at me. I don't troll, and I spend ALOT of time helping people. So I didn't play the stage. The message is fine, the level lock is meh (pointless) and the copy is stupid. It further breaks the system that burgeoning creators are trying to use to get their efforts past the mediocrity out there. Which is stupid to whine about anyway. Look at the Top 10 music charts and tell me that there are no better musicians/bands/song out there being overlooked, it's going to happen. The message of the level is destroyed by the suggestions within it. Especially considering the almost redundancy of it with previous announcements about removing boos and having more admin over your levels. To me it feels like a final attempt at trolling, a sneak attack wrapped in a 'nice' message, but I'm pretty cynical. | 2012-01-18 20:58:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799 |
| wtf is going on. | 2012-01-18 21:03:00 Author: Ayneh  Posts: 2454 |
| wtf is going on. tbh, I almost wanted to write the exact same thing. Now, I may be wrong, but: 1. Someone made a new account 2. Someone posted a rather strange level to promote goodness in the community and remove all negativity (apparently) 3. The people that played it noticed it was copyable, so some republished 4. It spread Now, I'm a little biased here, seeing as I've hardly published anything and have few followers, but it seems to me like an attempt to either a) highlight the ordeals less popular creators suffer from (lack of appreciation for their work), or b) proof that anything copyable and even slightly controversial will spread, or c) someone just saw a motivational speaker and was entirely too enthusiastic about their approach to life I support anything that will encourage people to create. Even if this is some cleverly hidden troll attempt, it does have a decent message behind it. EDIT: Woops, completely missed the previous page. Antikris wrote a nicely detailed explanation of this. | 2012-01-18 21:20:00 Author: SSTAGG1 Posts: 1136 |
| ok, wow people still here. and your really holding up on the 'I create for myself thing' . If youve created a level.. 'for yourself' your not going to just leave it on your moon :U , might as well lt people play it otherwise people really wont be able to play levels. and ive spent hours tweaking logic 'for my self' because its fun. i wouldnt bother otherwise. im not getting paid, why else would i do it. and i think its about time we drop this and just be nice and forget the annoying-ness and whatever else is the problem. k? hugs? P.S. i just thought i would add, just because this reminded me. I remember a time when one heart exited me. best moment in the world, first heart. then after years of playing you dont care that much about that. just becomes a whole lot of fun to create :3 but just sayin, noobs can be quite 'cute' if you know what i mean. mislead, not trolling. | 2012-01-18 21:45:00 Author: nerzdadestroyer Posts: 1527 |
| an alternate view.... http://lbp.me/v/9b3ph4/reviews | 2012-01-18 22:05:00 Author: EnochRoot Posts: 533 |
| http://lbp.me/u/greenskeepers_ The author may have removed the level, but the Greenskeeper movement is still going on. Hopefully there will be less hoo-ha because of it. | 2012-01-19 00:44:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388 |
| For anyone interested in where this all started, I'm willing to bet http://lbp.me/u/DebonaireToast. Not a troll, so just an optimistic attempt to help LBP I suppose. | 2012-01-19 01:57:00 Author: SSTAGG1 Posts: 1136 |
| Tom and I discussed the topic of the Greenskeepers in the recent Pocket Moon Podcast (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=67348-Pocket-Moon-Podcast-Episode-8&p=974010#post974010) for those of you who are interested :-) | 2012-01-30 20:08:00 Author: amazingflyingpoo  Posts: 1515 |
| I don't know why im reading this now but I find it quite ironic that a thread for a group to make the LBP community more friendly has caused a 5 page verbal debate over the past month or so. | 2012-02-26 00:41:00 Author: stryder12  Posts: 66 |
| Re: Greenskeepers levels are some of the worst I've ever played. They talk about how bad the community is, and tell you to make good levels in a crappy level. The worst is the ones posted by TOO_IS_SORRY. If I want to play a good level, I could just go to MM Picks, or LBPCPicks. Also, most levels on the Cool Page AREN'T copied, people still make levels you know. What's the big deal anyways? MM allowed us to copy, it's not evil to share or repost a level. | 2012-03-05 22:38:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| In my opinion, it's the "Greenskeepers" and "We want old LBP back" people who are the problem. Like I said in the reviews on one of the popular levels about this, if people stopped trying to change the younger audience and trolls (I say trolls loosely for I reason I don't want to explain) and make OTHERS build better levels, and get all mad and complain when they don't, they should instead look at what THEY could improve on. And strive to improve THEIR levels and skills. If people improved themselves instead of whining about others, LBP would be much better. It's hypocritcal and rude to say other peoples levels aren't good enough when your levels aren't good themselves. 90% of the Greenskeepers that I've found have generally poor levels. And if you really do want to genuinely help to improve someone, then take the time to pick out a willing subject, (The newbies of LBP) and teach them what you know. help them to become better builders. But you can't rightly do that if you are no good yourself. And as a Mr. Gump once said, "That's awl I have to say 'bout that." | 2012-03-06 06:18:00 Author: TradeMarkSG  Posts: 65 |
| ^ That's exactly what we (Greenskeepers) are doing. LittleBigBrother/Sister/Mentor is a Greenskeepers project where creators skilled in at least one area volunteer to teach new/less experienced creators. (Btw, the project's been going on for over a month.) Also, the movement was never about level quality or content directly. It's about how people in the community treat eachother. It's about working together and building eachother up, instead of hating and trolling. Y'know, all that fluffy, sappy stuff. | 2012-03-06 09:32:00 Author: Timelord_X Posts: 55 |
| Well, then you're not doing a very good job. Because I haven't heard anything about. to you and a few others, Greenskeepers may mean that. But to the rest of the LBP world, Greenskeepers are just angry people with a bad case of nostalgia. (Which, in most cases, is true). | 2012-03-06 18:37:00 Author: TradeMarkSG Posts: 65 |
| I was wondering what the difference between Re:Greenskeepers and Greenskeepers is. Is there a difference? Please tell me Timelord_X, I'm a confused little boy. | 2012-03-06 20:46:00 Author: Unknown User |
| If you'd like to ask me about Greenskeepers, I'd be glad to answer you. It would seem nobody on these forums that is talking about it actually knows me or had anything to do with it except OmegaSlayer. Don't ask the peanut gallery for their opinion on something they are not informed about, ask the person who founded the group - aka ME There is the Greenskeepers_ account, you could always play some of our levels.. I do voice-recordings for some of them. You can actually hear my words, from me, about GK. But truth be told, why ARE the forums going bonkers over this without going to the source for actual information? You'd think that "kindness" was an abstract concept, and that no one had any idea how to use a PSN message function. Try it some time. Its called being friendly. I'd be glad to answer anybody's questions if they'd only bring them to me instead of the forums, aka.. largely behind my back. | 2012-03-07 00:29:00 Author: DebonaireToast  Posts: 23 |
| Reading all this makes me laugh for all sorts of reasons.. namely.. that anybody is trying to read any deeper into this beyond essentially "be nice". Secondly, that most of the people talking here have no idea what they're arguing about. No, really.. you don't. I know you don't, because I'm the founder and we've never met. Hello! Nice to meet you. If you ever want to ask me what GK is about, or why I founded it, pick up a PSN message and use it some time. I may not respond right away, but I do answer my messages regularly. That is, if you can be civilized and respectful we can have a conversation. Rest assured if you greet me with the kind of hostility I received on the Greenskeepers_ account, I'll just block you because I don't like to hold discussions with belligerent monkeys. The game is rated "E", folks. Some of you are taking this way too seriously. For those of you that think *I* take this too seriously, ask yourselves how much time have you spent making up conspiracy theories and pseudo-philosophizing about my idea. I just play a game on occasion, and when I encounter something hostile, I delete it and move on because I don't have time to waste. I work hard in real life, and play hard in my off time. There's nothing sinister or even all that deep in what I had to share with the community. It brings me endless amusement however to see how other people have taken hold of my little G-rated idea and its fun to watch it grow. If you're unhappy with it, go play something else? If you're unhappy with me, go soak your head. You never met me, LOL. If you're curious, go look up Greenskeepers_ account and play something we've done lately instead of continue to argue in a circle about something that was more than 2 months ago now. Word of advice.. if you want something to go away, try ignoring it instead of creating a scandal out of it. You did all my work for me. XD | 2012-03-07 00:45:00 Author: DebonaireToast Posts: 23 |
| So, you're basically admitting the Greenskeeper levels don't have any substance? Or do the levels not count as source material? Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are poorly informed. If you didn't adequately explain your ideas in your levels, that's your fault, not everyone else's. But whatever. No one cares anymore at this point (nice bump). | 2012-03-07 01:15:00 Author: bonner123 Posts: 1487 |
| @xLAMEPUNKx Deb and I already covered what Greenskeepers is, but the RE:Greenskeepers levels are responses to the group usually talking about why the creator opposes GK. | 2012-03-07 09:25:00 Author: Timelord_X Posts: 55 |
| Reading all this makes me laugh for all sorts of reasons.. namely.. that anybody is trying to read any deeper into this beyond essentially "be nice". Secondly, that most of the people talking here have no idea what they're arguing about. No, really.. you don't. I know you don't, because I'm the founder and we've never met. Hello! Nice to meet you. If you ever want to ask me what GK is about, or why I founded it, pick up a PSN message and use it some time. I may not respond right away, but I do answer my messages regularly. That is, if you can be civilized and respectful we can have a conversation. Rest assured if you greet me with the kind of hostility I received on the Greenskeepers_ account, I'll just block you because I don't like to hold discussions with belligerent monkeys. The game is rated "E", folks. Some of you are taking this way too seriously. For those of you that think *I* take this too seriously, ask yourselves how much time have you spent making up conspiracy theories and pseudo-philosophizing about my idea. I just play a game on occasion, and when I encounter something hostile, I delete it and move on because I don't have time to waste. I work hard in real life, and play hard in my off time. There's nothing sinister or even all that deep in what I had to share with the community. It brings me endless amusement however to see how other people have taken hold of my little G-rated idea and its fun to watch it grow. If you're unhappy with it, go play something else? If you're unhappy with me, go soak your head. You never met me, LOL. If you're curious, go look up Greenskeepers_ account and play something we've done lately instead of continue to argue in a circle about something that was more than 2 months ago now. Word of advice.. if you want something to go away, try ignoring it instead of creating a scandal out of it. You did all my work for me. XD Don't rage. There's people that only complain and people that want to do something to make things better. People that DO things can mess up sometimes, they can make mistakes. Who doesn't do anything don't go anywhere. Thanks for Greenskeepers, something that deserves a space in the Community and that hasn't done damage to anyone. | 2012-03-07 10:40:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| It's a well meaning but ultimately futile and badly misjudged anti-trolling campaign that actually generated more trolling than the entire history of GameFAQS message boards. | 2012-03-07 10:51:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| It's a well meaning but ultimately futile and badly misjudged anti-trolling campaign that actually generated more trolling than the entire history of GameFAQS message boards. Whewww! As you describe it, i am glad i am not part of it, although initialy sounded to me like a vegeterian society. | 2012-03-07 11:10:00 Author: zupaton Posts: 167 |
| I don't know why im reading this now but I find it quite ironic that a thread for a group to make the LBP community more friendly has caused a 5 page verbal debate over the past month or so. The thread was made on the 14th of January and discussion ended on the 19th. 6 days isn't a month. Who knows why this was bumped now. The movement doesn't appear to have gathered any momentum after the initial flood of copied levels. | 2012-03-07 11:11:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454 |
| Whewww! As you describe it, i am glad i am not part of it, although initialy sounded to me like a vegeterian society. No, that would be Greens Eaters. | 2012-03-07 11:14:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| But they should keep the greens growing first to eat them then.... dohh... anyway. lol | 2012-03-07 11:24:00 Author: zupaton Posts: 167 |
| But truth be told, why ARE the forums going bonkers over this without going to the source for actual information? Nobody is going bonkers over this. | 2012-03-07 12:26:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
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