Archive: 231 posts

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Message sent to me tonight... Have you recieved messages from other Mm picked people asking you to chat with them or asking you to do something? My response... No, I haven't recieved any communications from other Mm picked people. Why? Message sent back to me... My friend thinks there's a "society" of Mm picked people trying to band together to control the cool pages and Mm picks and I told him he's a retard and I needed evidence I laughed so hard that I blew snot all over my joypad.

2012-01-05 02:10:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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..and all this time I thought you all just met for drinks and dinner before the secret back patting sessions!

2012-01-05 02:21:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Well I dont know about that but, my question is I find it a little unfair the Mm picks are levels with 1000 plus plays when a level like mine who I know could most likely be a Mm pick my (8-bit: Up side down platform) has only like 90 plays I think? maybe more less or more but anyway, I just find it a little unfair that my levels get over look and other levels and creators like my self who make decent looking levels and put time and work in to there levels. srry I just needed to get that off my chest.

2012-01-05 02:56:00 Author: The_Lil_JoKeR Posts: 745

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I heard there are moderators in lbp2 that play as invisible sack people and can drop into your pod or level at any time to see what you are doing. I have not seen proof myself but I think it is possible and the people who told me don't seem like they would lie to me about something like that.

2012-01-05 03:10:00 Author: Monster Posts: 180

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I'm actually an honorary member. Meetings were every Thursday, but ended when one creator became jealous that another creator had more MM Picks than him, and slapped him til his sackboy was unconscious. It was a hard night for all of us. But seriously, it is sad that the last 6 MM Picks were for people who already had one or more MM Picks. I don't think it should be surprising that this and so many other conspirators theories exist, in fact, I think its sad.

2012-01-05 03:25:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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I heard there are moderators in lbp2 that play as invisible sack people and can drop into your pod or level at any time to see what you are doing. I have not seen proof myself but I think it is possible and the people who told me don't seem like they would lie to me about something like that. Of course you haven't seen proof, they are invisible!

2012-01-05 03:31:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Wow, I havent thought of that? and your right the last Mm picks are the ppl who already have Mm picks. I kinda find that a bit unfair in my book.

2012-01-05 05:50:00 Author: The_Lil_JoKeR Posts: 745

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Yoho~ you always bring some of the most funny but sad stories Ungreth x'D I'm friends with a lot of people who have MM picks. just like how many people are friends with them. and i can tell anyone easily there is no real conspiracy,. look at it this way, pretty much only one guy MM picks levels, that being Spaff of course. now a lot of the time he is gonna play levels like any normal player does and that being he has fave creators and checks back to to see if they have made anything new once in a while. now that is not a conspiracy, it's just being human and having some favoritism. IMHO it's fine the same people sometimes get MM picked. A good level is a good level. I don't care if it's by people who been picked before or that they are not always the best levels around. IMO i look at the MM picks as Spaff's hearted list. *mew ...IMO a lot of people are taking MM picks way to seriously, like as if they are not a good creator without one, and that's not true, you don't need one to be a good creator. and to be honest i don't like when people go around all the time and say junk like (The MM picks are bad, they should MM pick my levels instead!) annoying self centered people IMO. Now i'm NOT saying it's wrong to simply wish you could get a MM pick & you really would like to have one, getting one is really nice i'm sure, but when you are putting down & being rude to other people/creators even if you are a better creator then them, then that is just no good at all. at that point, when they put down other people I think most people like that should never get one sense they have no or very little community spirit to start with, and just mostly are after fame on a game IMO. but people are people, and there will always be those who are jealous of other popular people. and wanting to think there are conspiracies means they have way to much time on their hands or is just another excuse showing that they are jealous and are wanting to find a quick excuse for everything in life. anyways that's just what I think about it all. if someone don't agree with me, and i was not asking anyone to, then that's fine and all but it's not my problem, so please don't try to argue about it with me. *mew

2012-01-05 06:52:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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Hmmm... we could form a society with the goal to control the cool pages pretty easily... it's just algorithms based on play/yay ratios. Lets get a place where we can post links to levels we make and play the other levels within... post recommendations about the fantastic ones and play those levels also. I reckon if we got 10 - 15 people to play a level within the first few hours of publishing and then yay it, because it is good, it would hit the cool pages. Also make sure you Queue it to make it appear in 'Trending'. We can keep it in cool pages by having other members of the group playing it when they can during the week. The trick is to pre-advertise the level, like get 10 friends online ready for you to publish and then have them queue, play, yay and heart it (if they like it). To make it more of a secret society we just need to make a secret sign like leave a comment on the level like 'I saw this on LBPC so thought I'd show support' It's possible if we all band together (just don't tell anyone).

2012-01-05 07:52:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799

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I see the troll's talons are long enough to extend their influence to LBPC now as well. I will not name and shame here, nor try to peak your interest for juicy stories. It is only mildly amusing for its retardedness. Don't involve yourself with these people if you value sanity.

2012-01-05 10:26:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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Hey guys - just to throw my two cents in - MM Picks are just that, Picks that the guys and gals at MM like. They don't have to be fair, they don't have to only pick low numbers of plays levels, heck they don't have to pick any levels at all if they don't want to. Oh, and there is no "secret club" or whatever that I'm aware of.... maybe they didn't invite me. lol

2012-01-05 10:27:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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Oh, and there is no "secret club" or whatever that I'm aware of.... maybe they didn't invite me. lol So you don't know about the secret Swiss bank accounts, the fake company fronts for laundering hearts and plays, the families of Sony executives we hold hostage and the free drinks on casual friday? Good. Not that there is any. Hey, what's that?! Look over there!! But seriously, it is sad that the last 6 MM Picks were for people who already had one or more MM Picks. How is that sad? A creator who is good at creating quality levels should suddenly make crappy levels to avoid attention? Also, once you have attention, new publications are more easily noticed than when nobody has ever heard of you. There is no proof that accomplished creators get the VIP treatment when it comes to community accolades, but I do think that there is a lot of undiscovered talent that deserves the limelight. That is why community contests like LBPCC and hub levels like LBPicks are so beneficial; both which came under biased, slanderous attacks recently.

2012-01-05 11:04:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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*looks over there* DARKNESS "Come join the secret club with me. It's super fun!"

2012-01-05 11:53:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799

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About a year ago I was blindfolded at my house and taken to a wooded area, where I was wrapped in bacon and forced to dance in my undies around a fire. A hundred hooded figures with the letters "MM" surrounded me in the darkness. I was told to say nothing... Although the man speaking sounded strangely familiar.... Possibly the narrator from "hansel & gretelbot". Anyhow... The next day I got an Mm pick. I don't know whether the incidents were related.

2012-01-05 13:21:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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I was wrapped in bacon and forced to dance in my undies around a fire. Wait... you're Lady Gaga?

2012-01-05 13:25:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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About a year ago I was blindfolded at my house and taken to a wooded area, where I was wrapped in bacon and forced to dance in my undies around a fire. A hundred hooded figures with the letters "MM" surrounded me in the darkness. I was told to say nothing... Although the man speaking sounded strangely familiar.... Possibly the narrator from "hansel & gretelbot". Anyhow... The next day I got an Mm pick. I don't know whether the incidents were related. Crap! I knew I shouldn't have cooked and eaten the bacon! ...I always screw up something. <sigh>

2012-01-05 13:33:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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You have to supply your own bacon? This cult sounds cheap as hell. As a bacon substitute I request I be wrapped up in a blanket so I stay cozy.

2012-01-05 13:37:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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How is that sad? A creator who is good at creating quality levels should suddenly make crappy levels to avoid attention? Also, once you have attention, new publications are more easily noticed than when nobody has ever heard of you. There is no proof that accomplished creators get the VIP treatment when it comes to community accolades, but I do think that there is a lot of undiscovered talent that deserves the limelight. That is why community contests like LBPCC and hub levels like LBPicks are so beneficial; both which came under biased, slanderous attacks recently. I agree. Most of the MM picked creators who have been picked more than once are there because they deserve to be there. There may be some levels out there, undiscovered that are as good as these, but it's kinda the same with games and films. A director who's already won awards is more likely to win another award than an undiscovered director who makes equally good films. The comparison isn't perfect.... but I think you get my point.

2012-01-05 14:00:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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What are you guys talking about? Of COURSE there's a secret society for Mm picked creators. But it's really easy to get in if you know the secret. 1. First, take this message and send it to 100 people on your friends list. 2. Then, leave a cute kitten on Spaff's doorstep (or mine, if you're so inclined to do so, although I probably can't help you get the Mm pick... I just want the kitten) 3. Then say "Media Molecule Pick" three times backwards whilst standing upside down and looking in the mirror on the day of the full moon. You should receive your Mm pick (and your secret ring which gets you 25 cents off macdonalds burgers on wednesdays!) in the mail in 3 - 6 weeks. And, if you want to get a Sackie award on top of this, you'll just have to (MESSAGE DELETED BY MEDIA MOLECULE)

2012-01-05 14:17:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569

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How is that sad? A creator who is good at creating quality levels should suddenly make crappy levels to avoid attention? Also, once you have attention, new publications are more easily noticed than when nobody has ever heard of you. There is no proof that accomplished creators get the VIP treatment when it comes to community accolades, but I do think that there is a lot of undiscovered talent that deserves the limelight. That is why community contests like LBPCC and hub levels like LBPicks are so beneficial; both which came under biased, slanderous attacks recently. Please don't put hyperbolic statements in my mouth. Obviously I don't think people should make bad levels to avoid notice. I just find that entire sentence ridiculous, even more so because you attribute it to me. Most of the people on my friends list have MM Picks. I was friends with them all before they got their picks. In most cases I said it was a shame, if not an outright LBP crime that their levels hadn't been chosen, and was very happy for when they got it, because it was deserved. I'm friends with some people that have multiple MM Picks, and think they deserve them. There are other levels of theirs that I think deserve them too. So, I have no issues with the levels being picked. I tend to agree with about 90% of the Picks. (A few are headscratchers, but MM Picks arent always about how well made a level is, and I get that. Kind of like enjoying a movie cause its fun, not based on technical merit.) Anyway, what I find sad about the last 6 levels being double/triple picked for MM Picks is, it shows that they simply aren't looking for new levels. What makes me sad is to see other creators working like crazy to make something unique and great, and they are doing it in hopes that MM will notice it. And the fact is, MM is not out there looking for new, undiscovered levels. That is what is sad. I realized that a long time ago. I'm fine with it. I spend most of my time alone on my moon, happy to make whatever comes to mind. If for some reason they ever play a level of mine, great. But I'm not holding my breathe. Personally, what I would like to see - if MM is going only play suggestions from Twitter, I think that at least, they should simply go down the list. In fact, Spaff at one time asked for a list, and send all you had to do was ask, and he would play your level for MM Pick consideration. He played a lot of levels that day, but he never finished, and never came back to it. I think what makes people feel a bit separated is that not every creator has the same shot at getting their level played. That is something that I would like to see Spaff work on. I think he could do better at casting his net a little further out. Don't think that's too much to ask. It would go a long way in calming down conspiracy theories.

2012-01-05 15:07:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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There may be some levels out there, undiscovered that are as good as these, but it's kinda the same with games and films. A director who's already won awards is more likely to win another award than an undiscovered director who makes equally good films. The comparison isn't perfect.... but I think you get my point. It is no secret that MM is focusing more and more on their new project. What this means for MMPicks and their attention to the community at large, who can tell... But if there is room for improvement in the way that great levels are highlighted then I'd say it starts right there: a widened look at the community for levels from both known and unknown creators in a variety of genres and from all places (like the Japanese LBP community).

2012-01-05 15:15:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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Hey, maybe there is a secret society Ungreth and Morgana belong to, and they made this thread saying it's rubbish so that we think it's just a mad conspiracy theory. The truth is out there we must... AAAAAGGGHH! *lights in SnipySev's room flicker and go out, fighting sounds are heard, when light comes back on the room's silent and SnipySev is nowhere to be seen* Hey guys, this is clearly BS. S̽͊̇҉̗̩͉͚̲̜e̾̆ͪͯ͏c̦̳͓̞̖ͣ͒͛̿͛̉r͎̈̏ͦͪ̋͋ẹ̡̞̿͒t̾ͅͅ ͎̘͔ ̋̐̃̃̏͆̔͏M̖̲͜M̖͉͕̼͛ͦ͒ ͎̙̗̝̩̬͕ͮͩ̃͒̈̕P̢̥͈̻̲͎ͧ͛ͣi̱̼̗͐̿̾̑͞c̥͇̼͕̫̺͚̅ͬ̓ͬ̐͘k͌̽̔ ̬̠̳͋ ̢̈́̾̾S͖͛͒̅ȏ̽c̷͂͆̎ͪ̇̑̉i͉̟̩̥̱̖̒̉ͣ̏͘e͙̩̝̳ͅt͒̽ͪ̏ͩ̐̍y̏̓ ͛̒̋̓̌?̻̗̱̫̿ͬͅ Come on, that's just crazy.

2012-01-05 15:27:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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Some time when my am having Mm pick Bat can be invisible to look in all pod and use Batcape to hide when Sackboy just try to see me. I pick Catgirl level and Catgirl moovie as my favorite and then I get more friends instead of just one friend.

2012-01-05 16:13:00 Author: Batman Posts: 8

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Please don't put hyperbolic statements in my mouth. Sorry, it was not intended to paint you as saying such things. I feel I needed to put this in because this point was implied during the fight that went on with one of the LBPCC, in which people who already owned crowns and joined the competition were frowned upon. It is a notion that stems from regarding popularity, plays, hearts or crowns as the ultimate goal and motive. Practically all highly talented people I know do not aim for these goals but do it for the challenge, for the fun and for creation itself. And I think that goes for you as well. My apologies if I offended. I have the highest respect for you. And the fact is, MM is not out there looking for new, undiscovered levels. That is what is sad. Agreed. I think what makes people feel a bit separated is that not every creator has the same shot at getting their level played. That is something that I would like to see Spaff work on. THat would be an unattainable goal; there are just too many levels published in a day of which most (I don't think there is any arguing this) are not remotely worth the attention a MM Pick would get them. You wouldn't want to filter it based on already accumulated plays either.. I think input from the community - through various social media, forums, hubs, activity streams, favorite lists and polls - is a more practical way. An unknown creator that makes a great level can get noticed by engaging in this community. The level showcase forum here is merely one example. I think he could do better at casting his net a little further out. Don't think that's too much to ask. It would go a long way in calming down conspiracy theories. They should address this in the podcast, IMO. Not "Why is my level not picked but CYMBOL's is?!11!", but "What are the plans for MMPick, do you agree it needs improvement and if yes, how?".

2012-01-05 16:42:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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Well I'm probably the Big Bad wolf that started all of this off, so I'm going to try and clarify my position. Since I made my protest by withdrawing my Mm Pick, (In my mind it was akin to John Lennon handing back his MBE) I have continually had my words distored, words put in my mouth, and had no end of abusive attacks on my lbp profile. At least here it will be a more visible record if this occurs again. Firstly, and most importantly, my annoyance wasn't with who got Mm Picked and who did't. I did however see that as symptomatic of a problem. My initial issue, was (partly due to having an Mm pick) the amount of 'seriel booers' I would get. there wer some people who would write repeatedly bad reviews/comments on my levels, and 'downrate' any positive comments. It is well researched that those driven by negativity are far more dedicated to pursuing their agenda than someone who simply wants to go on and have a good time, so these people wouldnt just downrate one or two comments, but EVERY positive comment on the latest level had been downrated several times. I had put questions/comments to the community manager via twitter about this and other subjects, not one was answered. I then noticed how many people attempted to make dialogue with the community manager about various subjects, it was extremely rare for anyone to be answered. Likewise, a perusal of the community managers' LBP profile shows countless enquires, (and not all 'play my level) that imo deserved an answer. None would be recieved. My issue was tha the community manager is simply not involved in the community. The Mm pick process is very symptomatic of this. I NEVER said anything about a conspiricy, what I said was that the comunity manager listens/interacts with a very select minority of creators. This has actually been said to me previously by people who are now on the 'spaff is a nice guy' side of th eargument. I didn't make an unwarrented attack on a creator who is doing stuff for fun, i have NEVER done that. I felt that something should be done to draw attention to the fact that the person whose JOB it is to manage the community should have more involvement than bantering with mates from the beta, or a slightly expanded group of this. I have NO issues about wether spaff is a nice guy, he probably is, but I fail to see how that is relevant. My Mm pick: some time after I had published it, I had made coment on the community managers profile exressing a wish for an opinion. I explained I felt it was pushing, or at least nudging at bounderies over what was possible with LBP. The project, 'Losing Things', was very different from most movies out there, and I genuinely wanted opinion on it, not JUST to get an Mm pick, (tho of course I don't deny that I wanted the chance to be in there) but I guess I wanted some kind of approval for being a pioneer. A LONG time after publishing, I asked (which i regret massively) a friend to get spaff to play it. He did. Bang, Mm pick. He also left a comment expressing that he would like to know more about the story behind it, why it was made. I answered his comment via PM explaining the backround in rough, and also mentioned that there was a 'behind the scenes' movie about it, as Losing Things DID get a lot of people wantigto know more about it. Again my comment wasn't acknowledged. Without wishing to sound arrogant, I do have a certain amount of 'prescence' within LBP. I have a film that came runner up in teh sackinima competition. I have been mentioned on the Playstation BLog (with a video of losing things being posted there) and I have (had) an Mm pick. If I am to be continually ignored by the community manager, what chance does someone without such a background have? Throughout the endless personal attacks on me, there hasn't been one single refutation that I am wrong, that the community manager DOES take an interest in the wider community, and directed me to to eveidence that shows this. I have NEVER said that the people who ARE listened to by the community manager have deliberaly engineered a situation where they and only they are heard, nor have I degenerated their attempts to get some lesser known creators the attention their efforts deserve. this is not about a consipiricy, it's about wether or not the community managers actions actually warrant such a title.

2012-01-05 16:57:00 Author: MuddledMuppet Posts: 115

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Well I'm probably the Big Bad wolf that started all of this off... Well hi there! Sometimes the easiest way to clarify things is to simply chat in a forum where you aren't as limited to how many characters rather than all sorts of different LBP profiles. I'd like to think we are all simply one huge happy family. ...though that always isn't the case. Not sure why there are personal attacks on anyone to be honest. Seems others take up a sword to help someone else defend something and others do the same while none of them understand anything. Just one huge confusing mess. I think we should just invite them all here so they can all get to know one another and simply appreciate each others talents. However, I used to have some similar feelings about Spaff to be honest.. I never could understand why some of my levels were not Mm picks. ..but you know, after seeing how others react to that silly little bit of pink ribbon, I truly think he did me a huge favor. I don't have any of the nasty grams any of the others do and the ones that do play those levels of mine have a ton of fun which is all I ever have hoped in the first place. Basically Spaff is human. He is not the all seeing eye and there is no way in heck he can find all the amazing levels to plop an Mm pick on them. It just isn't going to happen. Might be best to just can the whole thing, but Mm does want to recognize stuff when they do see it. Spaff also can't reply to every email he gets, but I think he tries. So don't feel bad if you don't get one. ..but the real concern I have in LBP is simply this. Creation in LBP shouldn't be for fame, notoriety or any other wish for gain. After all it is just a game that many of us play for fun. It isn't an Olympic sport or anything. It should be like mindless fun like when you were a kid playing in a sandbox. When you see amazing creations by others, slap a heart on it and say how much you enjoyed and thank them for their time. Creation should simply give you a smile, well up until something breaks for no reason, but other than that, I always had fun creating even if no one ever saw what I created. The problem comes when others get jealous about how much this or that they feel someone else is getting that they are not. Jealousy leads to hate and that ends up as hundreds of nasty grams plopped on comments for levels as well as creator profiles. It then snowballs as I pointed out earlier that others read these comments and start to take sides not knowing the real story. I just ignore them all. You live longer and much happier! lol You seem like a very likable person and hope you continue to visit here on LBPC. Please feel free to roam around the halls. All the best.

2012-01-05 17:27:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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However, I used to have some similar feelings about Spaff to be honest.. I never could understand why some of my levels were not Mm picks. ..but you know, after seeing how others react to that silly little bit of pink ribbon, I truly think he did me a huge favor. I don't have any of the nasty grams any of the others do and the ones that do play those levels of mine have a ton of fun which is all I ever have hoped in the first place. This this this, a thousand times this. Mm pick seems like a blessing before you get it. It's a curse after you get it. I have never been personally Mm picked, but a lot of the work I did in Hansel and Gretelbot was awarded with that cursed pink ribbon. You know what comes with that pink ribbon? People saying that the things you do are stupid. People saying that you're one of Mm's "chosen ones" and that you really don't have the talent to actually get an Mm pick on your own. If there's something worse than hell, that's what I went through when I saw some of the nasty comments on Hansel and Gretelbot. I've been on both ends of the whole thing... the wanting an Mm pick and wondering why certain people got them and certain people who seemed to be more skilled didn't, and the "I have an mm pick and now people are treating me like I'm a leper", so I can speak from some experience on this subject. What jw said, I don't think I could have said it better myself, though. And for what it's worth, MuddledMuppet, I don't hate anyone, I don't have ill will towards you or anyone else on these forums. I just get extremely sad when I see what has happened to this community. People are turning against each other out of jealousy and anger, and it's sad to watch. What happened to the days where we were all just creative peers, exploring craftworld together and not expecting any sort of fame and glory from it? I miss those.

2012-01-05 18:34:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569

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Well, this thread is everything I hoped for when I found a can of worms and decided to open it. Thanks for the intoxicating blend of comedy and drama guys! I think I must have got through 3 cups of coffee and a whole packet of Hob Nobs already while reading through your posts. Ahem...anyway...carry on.

2012-01-05 19:35:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Well, this thread is everything I hoped for when I found a can of worms and decided to open it. Thanks for the intoxicating blend of comedy and drama guys! I think I must have got through 3 cups of coffee and a whole packet of Hob Nobs already while reading through your posts. You missed the best part. It went into the abyss of the internet as the LBPC server crapped out the moment I hit the 'post' button. Probably for the best. End of thread for me.

2012-01-05 19:44:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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Well, this thread is everything I hoped for when I found a can of worms and decided to open it. Thanks for the intoxicating blend of comedy and drama guys! I think I must have got through 3 cups of coffee and a whole packet of Hob Nobs already while reading through your posts. Ahem...anyway...carry on. Well, that's disappointing to read. Anyway, I'm not sure why your so thrilled/entertained. Seems most people agree that more participation from Spaff would be welcome. Perhaps you get your kicks by watching everyone amicably discuss the current status with MM Picks, and where they would like to see it go? From what I've read, everyone has been quite respectful. Which is what I'd expect from members on LBPC. Guess I'm just confused by your comment. But as long as your entertained... I think its been a fun discussion.

2012-01-05 20:31:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Well, that's disappointing to read. Anyway, I'm not sure why your so thrilled/entertained. Seems most people agree that more participation from Spaff would be welcome. Perhaps you get your kicks by watching everyone amicably discuss the current status with MM Picks, and where they would like to see it go? From what I've read, everyone has been quite respectful. Which is what I'd expect from members on LBPC. Guess I'm just confused by your comment. But as long as your entertained... I think its been a fun discussion. Likewise, I'm a little confused by your comment. Since you agree that it's a "fun" thread then why should I not be entertained by reading it? And I never implied that anybody had been disrespectful, although I think your tone has just turned a little that way towards me. Chill out. The thread is just for laughs, ok? Any hostility and I'll request it gets locked.

2012-01-05 21:31:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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If only you knew... this is bigger than you could ever imagine. Myself and the rest of the elite have been gathering information for a long time now and I am glad to say that Mm are now at our disposal. I am suprised that you have not seen the many signs, it began when we crashed the LittleBigPlanetoid ship into the dark side of the Craft Moon... what did you think released the negativitron! And if you still think that Spaff and Tom are humans... then you must of been living under a rock! we have infiltrated Media Molecule and there is nothing you mortals can do about it! The Collector, The Wheel of Death, the cloaked figures that haunt your levels.. IT WAS ALL US. Serious part... Basicly, I email spaff about a week ago about this problem. He has replied, all I will say is that it does look like he is going to be making changes to Mm picks. I cant say anything else, becasue I dont know anything else. Obviously, dont take this as 100%, it was only an emial. but I it is probable that changes are coming. (If you didnt already work it out, the first part is a joke, I have never been Mm picked and certainly dont consider myself part of an 'elite' group)

2012-01-05 21:51:00 Author: samalot Posts: 591

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What happened to the days where we were all just creative peers, exploring craftworld together and not expecting any sort of fame and glory from it? I miss those. Me too... This song almost makes me wanna cry (reminds me of the good ol' nostalgic days like you mentioned): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baxVFzHa5A4 And no it does not really make me wanna cry...well maybe a little. As for the Mm Picks...of what I know, is that it could be anyone from Mm that plays a level and they just decide to pick it. Just something that wows them. Be it something amazing, sweet, or just fun.

2012-01-05 21:58:00 Author: warlord_evil Posts: 4193

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*Sigh It's so funny that people think that Spaff and other Mm employees just randomly play levels and pick the ones they like.. Did everyone just all of a sudden forget about this thread? An easier way to get Mm picked (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=65079-An-easier-way-to-get-an-MM-Pick/page2&highlight=easier+picked) That was umm.. here on LBPC and everyone could see? For it to be a conspiracy there would have to be no proof, and only speculation, so it's more like a loophole than a conspiracy. You could also try bribery, i mean i'm quite corrupt it would be easy. ****it Spaff, your not helping this not look like a conspiracy.. Tell you what - let me take any 'shame' away from asking me to play your levels: please please please will you lot send me links to your levels so i can play them? To make it even quicker you could tweet them at me! @thespaff I'll try and play loads this afternoon, and I'll even rope some designers in too. We'd love to see some Move levels for sure, but anything good, interesting, funny, silly, weird, or just nice will do. I'll queue up everything i get sent... no promises i can play everything today but i'll get through them all eventually xx There ya go. This is exactly how the most recent picks have been picked. The irony is several of those who say there is no conspiracy and that it is totally fair for epic creators to get multiple Mm picks are the ones who contributed to them being picked Meaning that several people tweeted Spaff to play Super Bunnio, Free Fallin' etc. It seems that it is more about a split between people who think it is unfair that creators get multiple Mm picks and those who think it should solely depend on the quality of the level and nothing else. Well you must consider that Mm picks are one of the 2 filters used by a huge majority of the community. If a level is picked within the "eligibility of cool pages time", it will skyrocket to the top of both of these filters. So 1 level is being feed thousands of plays from both of the practically only used filters. A Mm pick often promises that level, and the creator, practically infinite plays and exposure to their other levels as well. It is clear that the other levels on that creators planet won't get as many plays as the Mm picked level but the fact that they have even one will help their planet get more exposure in general. So to have several is somewhat "beating a dead horse" so to speak. Since they are already a Mm picked creator the levels will usually get a decent amount of exposure, so to increase that with another pick is kinda redundant and furthers the gap between those who do not get many plays & hearts and those who get 10s of thousands.

2012-01-06 00:04:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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Likewise, I'm a little confused by your comment. Since you agree that it's a "fun" thread then why should I not be entertained by reading it? And I never implied that anybody had been disrespectful, although I think your tone has just turned a little that way towards me. Chill out. The thread is just for laughs, ok? Any hostility and I'll request it gets locked. Chill out? I didn't realize I was worked up. You said you were glad you opened a can of worms and that you were entertained by the comedy and drama you had caused. It seemed mean spirited, so I was a bit confused, since you never struck me as a rude person. As for my tone, it was surprise. And feel free to lock the thread whenever you want (don't mean that in a confrontational way), I think the discussion has run its course anyway.

2012-01-06 00:11:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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It seems that it is more about a split between people who think it is unfair that creators get multiple Mm picks and those who think it should solely depend on the quality of the level and nothing else. I think it is more a gap of those that for some reason want to keep score and statistics about Mm picks vs those that really don't care and / or wish they would all go away. IMHO you should just play the game for fun and not concern yourself with Mm picks, who gets them, how many total get picked, when did Spaff last pick one, who has he been tweeting with, what he had for dinner, or what is his favorite tea. Spaff is simply a really great guy and I sorta feel sorry that so many pressure him as well as fight amongst themselves because they want a piece of his time. End of the day, and I really hate that expression, is it is simply a fun game. Go enjoy. There is no fame to be had here. Those that think there is fame and glamor are simply misguided. Simply put, I feel those that clamor for all these hearts and plays have no life. It should be more about feedback and improving as a creator. ...and to be totally honest, it's a big world out there folks. Lots of skills to conquor that are much more meaningful and more important than a video game. LBP is just fun stuff.. not a way of life. mmm'kay?

2012-01-06 00:58:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I think it is more a gap of those that for some reason want to keep score and statistics about Mm picks vs those that really don't care and wish they would all go away. IMHO you should just play the game for fun and not concern yourself with Mm picks, who gets them, how many total get picked, when did Spaff last pick one, who has he been tweeting with, what he had for dinner, or what is his favorite tea. Spaff is simply a really great guy and I sorta feel sorry that so many pressure him as well as fight amongst themselves because they want a piece of his time. End of the day, and I really hate that expression, is it is simply a fun game. Go enjoy. There is no fame to be had here. Those that think there is fame and glamor are simply misguided. Simply put, I feel those that clamor for all these hearts and plays have no life. It should be more about feedback and improving as a creator. ...and to be totally honest, it's a big world out there folks. Lots of skills to conquor that are much more meaningful and more important than a video game. LBP is just fun stuff.. not a way of life. mmm'kay? *Some people don't really want to be picked because of fame, but because the developers of their favorite game really like their level. That to me "was" the reward of an MM pick; getting the stamp of awesome from the people who created one of the greatest games ever. But my philosophy in life is to do whatever makes you happy. So if getting tons of plays and hearts makes someone happy, what's wrong with that?

2012-01-06 01:44:00 Author: comishguy67 Posts: 849

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But my philosophy in life is to do whatever makes you happy. So if getting tons of plays and hearts makes someone happy, what's wrong with that? I guess nothing, but if they get jealous and leave hateful or disparaging messages that spoils others fun, then I think they have taken it too far and a bit too serious about it all.

2012-01-06 01:53:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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@ Cymbol... Well, sorry for my mean spiritedness. It was wrong of me to enjoy a good humoured debate. I'll flagellate myself in atonement for my sins after the secret meeting with The Brotherhood of Chosen Creators tonight. @ All reading... Seriously though...if anyone honestly believes that there could be any merit to this ridiculous conspiracy theory, let me just say that an Mm pick did nothing for me. What did I get? Exposure? Recognition? Anyone here who is familiar with my levels will know that they were never meant for the mainstream. I create niche appeal stuff for a limited audience and all I got from my Mm pick was a few thousand confused, angry faces glaring back at me saying "WTF is this crap?". I mean it's great that someone at Mm liked my level, but I would rather they had just told me so rather than hang it above the pool like a joint of bloody meat to be ripped apart by the sharks that swim the waters of LBP's community. Would I ever team up with a select group of creators to "control" Mm picks and cool pages, if such a group existed? I'd rather lick the dried up puke off my Playstation!

2012-01-06 01:56:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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@JW Heh...this is becoming a bit philosophical, but eh that's for another thread C'est la vie!

2012-01-06 01:58:00 Author: comishguy67 Posts: 849

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@JW Heh...this is becoming a bit philosophical, but eh that's for another thread C'est la vie! lol.. you asked! ..but yeah, I'd rather have Philly cream cheese on a bagel than that philosophy stuff.

2012-01-06 02:26:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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@ Cymbol... Well, sorry for my mean spiritedness. It was wrong of me to enjoy a good humoured debate. I'll flagellate myself in atonement for my sins after the secret meeting with The Brotherhood of Chosen Creators tonight. You didn't say you were enjoying a good humored debate, you said you were enjoying the comedy and drama you caused by purposefully opening a "can of worms". Sorry, just sounds like your intentions were mean spirited. Sorry, its the internet, all I have to go by are your words. Anyway, I always considered you a bit more mature than you are acting now, and the conversation has grown dull and quickly lost any sense of merit. I'll leave you to your amusements then, sorry if I don't understand them. Take it easy.

2012-01-06 02:42:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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You didn't say you were enjoying a good humored debate, you said you were enjoying the comedy and drama you caused by purposefully opening a "can of worms". Sorry, just sounds like your intentions were mean spirited. Sorry, its the internet, all I have to go by are your words. Anyway, I always considered you a bit more mature than you are acting now, and the conversation has grown dull and quickly lost any sense of merit. I'll leave you to your amusements then, sorry if I don't understand them. Take it easy. Oh for crying out loud! Let it rest! You've been around here long enough to know better. I really don't want to hit the report button on you, but I'm getting a little sick of your hostile tone and passion for stirring up animosity now, so I suggest you go find somebody else to have conflict with. I posted this thread so people could have a bit of a laugh, and if you can't take things in good humour then please keep away.

2012-01-06 03:54:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Pay no attention to the argument going on here. They're really working together to deter you from reading about the conspiracy. #lightenup ....oops, not twitter =]

2012-01-06 04:45:00 Author: WoodburyRaider Posts: 1651

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Oh for crying out loud! Let it rest! You've been around here long enough to know better. I really don't want to hit the report button on you, but I'm getting a little sick of your hostile tone and passion for stirring up animosity now, so I suggest you go find somebody else to have conflict with. I posted this thread so people could have a bit of a laugh, and if you can't take things in good humour then please keep away. Hostile tone? Are you even reading my posts? I honestly have no idea why you are feeling so distressed and threatened. It's seriously baffling. I'll stop talking to you since it is obviously greatly upsetting you for some unknown reason. Enjoy your thread.

2012-01-06 05:09:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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As this has passed a discussion of 'is there a conspiracy' into the realm of Mm pick hate etc. I began to wonder why people get so upset when something gets recognition and it occurred to me it is because there are only two places in the game that it can happen. Mm Picks and Cool Pages. It would be pretty sweet to have some integration with forums. Imagine seeing a LBPC page that had the winners from competitions listed as well as spotlight. Or a list of crowns for games entrants. The exposure from this type of integration would make a lot of people happy. With so many more opportunities for recognition. Also I would like to float a conspiarcy theory about the spotlight and competition threads.

2012-01-06 06:50:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799

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OMG, how far has this crap gone. Guys there's no conspiracy, there's just something that utopycally should work in a way, but it won't ever reach perfection. Hell, probably it has never been on the path of perfection. It's born under the wrong star. So...I really hope you reach the maturity to understand that it's not that important to fit in something that is BROKEN. Also, this Elite thing has gone way to much far and is annoying. The guys that people consider "Elite" have never snobbed anyone, always been friendly and tried to help, really down to Earth, you found them helping in forums, chats, game. They're over exposed maybe, but it's because they DO something actively and not just complain. There's place for everyone willing to do something POSITIVE. Lots of times I heard people willing to do this/that. Sometimes they were amazing projects, useful and important for the Community... I shared my opinions with them, I tried to offer my help in case of need...but I saw people always gave up People want everything but don't take the hassle to actively do something. Calling someone Elite is just a way to lighten the burden of your lazyness. Waiting for someone to do something instead of taking action. Complaining because others didn't do anything for you. I would have never been so harsh, I'm not a teacher/master, I think that people has to understand things by themselves through fails and good moves, but when we come to the point where people is purposedly harrassed, stalked and the such...I think we have really CROSSED THE LINE.

2012-01-06 07:37:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Man that turned into a heated debate, back to the original topic, my opinion is this, nothing.... is it not known that something people know about already gets more attention than something that is unknown? okay then now consider that and ask, why do people get multiple Mm picks when their are many deserving levels that get looked over, the reason is that those people are less known therefore get much less plays, i do believe Mm should do a better job at their "picks" and fix the cool pages, but i don't expect it or really care anymore :l

2012-01-06 08:35:00 Author: Tyranny68 Posts: 390

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Twist, whine, complain. This game is full of cry babys, its no wonder people are leaving in droves, myself included. In fact I'm so sick of it, theres two finished levels on my moon that will never see the light of day now. Grow up. Its a game.

2012-01-06 10:46:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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Twist, whine, complain. This game is full of cry babys, its no wonder people are leaving in droves, myself included. In fact I'm so sick of it, theres two finished levels on my moon that will never see the light of day now. Grow up. Its a game. I for one agree with this guy, though i do wish i would get to see your levels :l

2012-01-06 11:11:00 Author: Tyranny68 Posts: 390

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Or you could just publish your levels and engage with forums and the whole community thing. Works for 90% of the "community".

2012-01-06 12:07:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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I don't get why some people is getting so annoyed here. I think this tread was meant to be funny! I laughed hard with half of the posts here Anyway... I understand some people get fustrated when they get 40 or 50 plays in a level they've been working for months. I think this is one of the biggest problems in LBP. Cool pages are, and always been crap. They should be something personalised like in youtube... or just delete them! I also think people with one or more MM picks have the right to be MM picked if they publish something good. It's absurd to think levels like "Super Bunnio" shouldn't have been picked because Steve already has been picked. "Famous" creators get more chance to get MMpicks? Yes, it's true. It happens the same with any other award in the world. You get an Oscar, and if your next film is not crap, your chances to get a second one are huge. The same goes for grammys... etc. I won't say I love all the MMpicked levels. Some are crap IMO. But it's just impossible that everybody agrees with all the MM picks. Oh... wait, this thread is not about MM picks right? Just have fun guys!

2012-01-06 12:40:00 Author: poms Posts: 383

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I won't say I love all the MMpicked levels. Some are crap IMO. Yeah that Magnetic Fields one is terrible....

2012-01-06 12:52:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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I don't get why some people is getting so annoyed here. I think this tread was meant to be funny! I laughed hard with half of the posts here Wait a minute... who the heck is this poms guy!? Obviously up to something. Hi poms!.. so nice to see you around here! Hope all is well!! ...but on topic whatever it is now, I agree... just play for fun. Too much has been made over crowns, Mm picks and cool pages. This is a fun game that is played by 2 - 90 year olds. What many of them that are under 10, heart and make popular will always leave the rest of us scratching our heads.

2012-01-06 12:54:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I don't really care about any of this tbh...

2012-01-06 13:14:00 Author: Valeview Posts: 1581

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Wait a minute... who the heck is this poms guy!? Obviously up to something. Eh... what?? You don't know who the hyper-mega-famous poms is?? You should show some respect!! Nice to see you still around mate. No doubt you're one of those who's keeping this place alive

2012-01-06 13:19:00 Author: poms Posts: 383

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Poms!?!??! Bat am sooo happy to know you too am coming onto te LBPC. I love you like almost as much as Catgirl. My am having a picture of you on the Batcave wall with lik some flowers and one candle and I can stare at your face and dream like I make your levels and you lik me back too. If you want be my friend, Bat will make new Batmobile with a chair next to Robins and you come fight crim and villians with us?

2012-01-06 13:29:00 Author: Batman Posts: 8

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Are people reading a different thread than I am? I really don't see tons of whining. And, most people agree that the creators aren't the issue with MM Picks. And almost everyone has agreed that it would be nice if Spaff would take time to cast a wider net on MM Picks, since the last 6 Picks were for creators who already 1 or more (and again, no one is saying they didn't deserve them. Everyone joked about the whole conspiracy thing that Ungreth suggested. Not one person took that seriously. There have been no heated debates. (Except for Ungreth feeling more and more threatened each time I tried to calmly explain how I felt about a comment he made, to the point of threateningly to report me). Other than that, I haven't seen any drama. No one is throwing temper tantrums and threatening to leave the game, (well, I guess Grunt might, which kind of conflicts his "its a game" statement".) But seriously, everyone acts like this thread is full of people cussing each other out, and I am not seeing any of that. From what I've read, everyone has been talking about what is obviously been a long heated topic, and been quite cordial with one another. I guess I just am not seeing the sky falling in this thread like others are. Strange.

2012-01-06 13:42:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Eh... what?? You don't know who the hyper-mega-famous poms is?? You should show some respect!! Nice to see you still around mate. No doubt you're one of those who's keeping this place alive Be scared of this guy. The first time I met him he told me that I had to be his slave. And he was with a strange guy that told me: "I'm 5, be my gf" And then they started to sacrifice chickens. Most disturbing LBP experience ever!

2012-01-06 13:48:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Are people reading a different thread than I am? I really don't see tons of whining. And, most people agree that the creators aren't the issue with MM Picks. And almost everyone has agreed that it would be nice if Spaff would take time to cast a wider net on MM Picks, since the last 6 Picks were for creators who already 1 or more (and again, no one is saying they didn't deserve them. Everyone joked about the whole conspiracy thing that Ungreth suggested. Not one person took that seriously. There have been no heated debates. (Except for Ungreth feeling more and more threatened each time I tried to calmly explain how I felt about a comment he made, to the point of threateningly to report me). Other than that, I haven't seen any drama. No one is throwing temper tantrums and threatening to leave the game, (well, I guess Grunt might, which kind of conflicts his "its a game" statement".) But seriously, everyone acts like this thread is full of people cussing each other out, and I am not seeing any of that. From what I've read, everyone has been talking about what is obviously been a long heated topic, and been quite cordial with one another. I guess I just am not seeing the sky falling in this thread like others are. Strange. If you cant see any drama anywhere in LBP then you need to open your eyes. Theres whining, twisting and general hate everywhere, in game, here and twitter. If you dont like the game or the people that populate it for whatever reason, heres a suprise for you all, your PS3 has a thing called a disc drive, now be ready for the shock, press eject and it plays other games, ones that you may actually have more fun on, cause all I have seen over the Xmas period is hate and anger!! I have already been left the game for months, hence no levels since the game launched. I get on and play levels every once in a while but thats about it. I have two levels done that I finished months ago, ready to publish, but see no point in having the greif thats associated with releasing them. Poms!?!??! Bat am sooo happy to know you too am coming onto te LBPC. I love you like almost as much as Catgirl. My am having a picture of you on the Batcave wall with lik some flowers and one candle and I can stare at your face and dream like I make your levels and you lik me back too. If you want be my friend, Bat will make new Batmobile with a chair next to Robins and you come fight crim and villians with us? You my freind, are awesome, you make me laugh. If you hav'nt read his blog, I suggest you do http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/blog.php?24354

2012-01-06 14:14:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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Everyone joked about the whole conspiracy thing that Ungreth suggested. Not one person took that seriously. There have been no heated debates. (Except for Ungreth feeling more and more threatened each time I tried to calmly explain how I felt about a comment he made, to the point of threateningly to report me). Cymbol, you give me nothing to feel "threatened" about. If it makes you feel powerful to think that you are threatening in any way, well enjoy your delusional grandeur. The point is that you got snarky about a light hearted comment in what was intended as a humourous thread, twisted my words around and suggested that I was heartless and lacking maturity for enjoying the comedy and drama of the discussion. Anybody who has been around here for a while, and that includes you, knows that I regularly post with tongue in cheek humour, and the fact that 3 other people repped my post which you took umbrage to indicates that you are the only one unable to take the comment in the light hearted vein it was intended. You are taking an unnecessarily hostile attitude towards me, seem determined to paint me as an arsehole and for what reason I have no idea, since I have never done anything to you. Still you continue to labour the point even though I've asked you to stop. Threatened? No. Irritated? Yes. So, please stop now.

2012-01-06 14:23:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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The message sent to you is about as fake as Miley Cyrus' singing. It's almost the same as when you get those messages saying "I m da PSN offeecial. I kan giv u a fiftee doolar kard if u add 100 ppl." I would have laughed too. I usually just reply "No." Also, yeah. I don't think we should be getting all jumpy over this (I'm not saying anyone IS, but I'm just saying). We're all smart enough to know it was some jelly sap who wanted to taint MM's reputation. Trololol. Let's keep it friendly, peeps. Also, Batman plays PS3. Proof that it's a boss system.

2012-01-06 14:23:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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Oh look waht we got here, another mmpick drama thread that growing fast ;p First time hearing about some secret sociaty that constrols cool levels and mmpicks, all i know is: 1. there was groups that try to support low plays levels, but i don't take them seriuesly 2. Yes, people that MM know got better chances get MM Pick 3. If spaff get tweeted about the level to death it also have high chance to get mmpick.... ofcorse if level is good Thats all i know about unfairness @GruntosUK if you hate whiners.... then why you acting like one? Don't whine about whiners and publish those levels of yours so your work won't waste because some kids tell you something

2012-01-06 14:36:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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When my next level gets out, I'm going to ask Mm not to pick it. I don't want it. Keep your shinies. I'll be content with you folks playing it. Poisonous fame.

2012-01-06 14:48:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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@GruntosUK if you hate whiners.... then why you acting like one? Don't whine about whiners and publish those levels of yours so your work won't waste because some kids tell you something Maybe I am whining, maybe not, and maybe the kids are dictating what I'm doing. But my work hasnt gone to waste, a few people have played it, I had great fun creating it, and isn't that the point at the end of the day? I'm done now, gonna crawl back in my hole and lurk again.

2012-01-06 15:06:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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Poms!?!??! Bat am sooo happy to know you too am coming onto te LBPC. I love you like almost as much as Catgirl. My am having a picture of you on the Batcave wall with lik some flowers and one candle and I can stare at your face and dream like I make your levels and you lik me back too. If you want be my friend, Bat will make new Batmobile with a chair next to Robins and you come fight crim and villians with us? Batman?... you scare me! Isn't it scary that my picture is in a cave where a man in pants is staring at it? Go and fight the crime!!

2012-01-06 15:28:00 Author: poms Posts: 383

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...i know there was groups that try to support low plays levels thats it[.] There is? Wow. They don't really do their job.

2012-01-06 15:31:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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I am being harrassed as well by trolls claiming to have false evidence. I facepalm.jpg-ed so hard I have had a headache for two days now. (not kidding) I am just sad that some people that have a real heart for the community are getting harrassed and stalked in such a bad way that they actually starting to feel like lbp2 isnt as fun as it was before. I really dont get why people actually spend time to make others feel bad or sad about themselves. Its childish, shows lack of character and worse hurts people. Spread the love people, spread the love.

2012-01-06 15:55:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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Cymbol, you give me nothing to feel "threatened" about. If it makes you feel powerful to think that you are threatening in any way, well enjoy your delusional grandeur. The point is that you got snarky about a light hearted comment in what was intended as a humourous thread, twisted my words around and suggested that I was heartless and lacking maturity for enjoying the comedy and drama of the discussion. Anybody who has been around here for a while, and that includes you, knows that I regularly post with tongue in cheek humour, and the fact that 3 other people repped my post which you took umbrage to indicates that you are the only one unable to take the comment in the light hearted vein it was intended. You are taking an unnecessarily hostile attitude towards me, seem determined to paint me as an arsehole and for what reason I have no idea, since I have never done anything to you. Still you continue to labour the point even though I've asked you to stop. Threatened? No. Irritated? Yes. So, please stop now. Haha, this has seriously just gone into the realm of surreal. *sigh* I'm not trying to paint you as anything. I said I thought that your post seemed out of character for you. You said I was being hostile and threatened to close the thread. I calmly explained that I wasn't being hostile and that I guess I just didn't get your sense of humor on this one. This got me a threat to report me. I calmly explained that I think you are misunderstanding me. Which has gotten me this silly, "you feel powerful". I just keep trying to explain, I'm not being hostile, and that I didn't get your humor this time, but you simply keep getting madder. The strangest thing I've ever been involved with on LBPC. As for making myself feel powerful (by calmly explaining things?), I've been in Iraq where I was attacked everyday for sixty days straight. I worked the front gate and the bomb pit. Trust me when I say, calmly explaining I'm not being hostile towards you, is hardly an adrenaline rush. You seem to feel like I have a problem with you. I don't. Not sure how else I can say it. Ay this point though, probably time to let that dead horse lie. I've been nothing but courteous, but if you feel the need to report me, feel free.

2012-01-06 16:06:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Related to the MM-picks, has it ever been suggested that people could be hired to do it, or if Spaff could appoint trusted people to play levels and have the right to MM-pick with a simple system that could be like if 3 approves of it, the level gets picked, or something under those lines? I dunno... ANYWAY, this thread was meant for the lulz was it not? Also, stop pecking on Ungreth. Or he will slither from under your bed, drag you by your hair down to his secret lair and make you listen to Justin Bieber nonstop at full volume until your mind is shattered forever. I went too far once, and I still haven't recov... *breaks out in tears*

2012-01-06 16:07:00 Author: moonwire Posts: 1627

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Woah, slow down there. This is what the jelly troll wanted. He wanted us to get suspicious and start throwing blames and things. I personally think that this was meant for the lolz. Like a "Lol, look at how pathetic this message is!" thread. Some of us are taking this (or other things) much too seriously. We're either comprehending or conveying the wrong thing. The troll is probably laughing (like we should be). Do you want to give him his syrup? Deny him the waffle! Yes.

2012-01-06 16:19:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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Wheres Batman to lighten up the thread when you need him?

2012-01-06 16:35:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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The way I see it is this...There are millions of levels out there and Mm don't have enough time or manpower to scour every level ever published to pick out the hidden gems. They rely on people's recommendations via Twitter to ascertain which levels are worth checking out. Now it seems there are two types of creators out there who actually give a toss about Mm picks... First there are creators who form a network of friends, and who enjoy and appreciate each others work. They are generally proactive in tweeting Spaff to let him know when they have played a good level which they feel warrants his attention, or when they have produced something themselves which they would like him to play. Like Mm, they don't have time to play every level out there to find those hidden gems, so they generally go by creators whose work they are familiar with and by word of mouth between them. Then there are people who make little concerted effort to promote themselves or to make wider connections within the internet community. They put more effort into moaning about the unfairness of the system and forming speculative theories about why their level that they worked hard on wasn't given a chance at an Mm pick, than they do into actually making positive contact with the people who can make a difference, ie: Spaff and those who regularly tweet him with recommendations. One of these types of creator stands a better chance of getting an Mm pick then the other. Call that a "conspiracy" if you like.

2012-01-06 16:39:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Ungreth, Cymbol doesn't have a problem with you. Cymbol, Ungreth doesn't have a problem with you not having a problem with him. Seriously, I've never seen two people arguing so hard while both are trying to make the same point: there's nothing to be p*ssed about, it was all a misunderstanding that somehow escalated to futile levels. Now how about you both stop bickering like kids, shake your hands like big boys and maybe share a hug in the most heterossexual way possible?

2012-01-06 16:47:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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... and maybe share a hug in the most heterossexual way possible? SnipySev, hugs are one of the most manly things in the universe :hrmf: http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/17/128740180625684517.jpg

2012-01-06 16:55:00 Author: moonwire Posts: 1627

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Exacly, but i don't aggree that theres just 2 groups like that, check BobTox for example, he is quite disconnected from wider community don't sit on forums or twitter and his fame didn't come in first day, he made bunch of great levels in LBP1, yet his guy who don't care much about conspirecy Dohtr that was in down mood last mouth and say some things about fairness on twitter.... yet i see her postive reviews on levels of known cretors

2012-01-06 16:56:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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Internet sometimes is not the place to better express your thoughts and be clearly understood. Opposing a feature and how it works doesn't authomatically mean frowning the Community. It's just an opinion, and it's fair to have different opinions if people keeps respect for the others. Respect too many times lately is something missing in action. Also, sarcasm doesn't always help. What I always say is that a Community divided over stupid matters is a weaker community.

2012-01-06 17:26:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Ungreth, Cymbol doesn't have a problem with you. Cymbol, Ungreth doesn't have a problem with you not having a problem with him. Seriously, I've never seen two people arguing so hard while both are trying to make the same point: there's nothing to be p*ssed about, it was all a misunderstanding that somehow escalated to futile levels. Now how about you both stop bickering like kids, shake your hands like big boys and maybe share a hug in the most heterossexual way possible? Haha, that's what I've been saying! (Except for the hug part).

2012-01-06 17:27:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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So...who else is waiting for Spaff to intervene like he did in he last thread?

2012-01-06 17:49:00 Author: comishguy67 Posts: 849

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Ungreth, Cymbol doesn't have a problem with you. Cymbol, Ungreth doesn't have a problem with you not having a problem with him. Seriously, I've never seen two people arguing so hard while both are trying to make the same point: there's nothing to be p*ssed about, it was all a misunderstanding that somehow escalated to futile levels. Now how about you both stop bickering like kids, shake your hands like big boys and maybe share a hug in the most heterossexual way possible? It's like mum and dad fighting. ;_;

2012-01-06 17:50:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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The "conspiracy" was that you could tweet Spaff to play your levels and he might pick them. It was no secret, but an open invitation for anyone to try. It worked for some levels but honestly he isn't around too much for it to keep happening. I think it is more a gap of those that for some reason want to keep score and statistics about Mm picks vs those that really don't care and / or wish they would all go away. IMHO you should just play the game for fun and not concern yourself with Mm picks, who gets them, how many total get picked, when did Spaff last pick one, who has he been tweeting with, what he had for dinner, or what is his favorite tea. End of the day, and I really hate that expression, is it is simply a fun game. Go enjoy. There is no fame to be had here. Those that think there is fame and glamor are simply misguided. Simply put, I feel those that clamor for all these hearts and plays have no life. It should be more about feedback and improving as a creator. ...and to be totally honest, it's a big world out there folks. Lots of skills to conquor that are much more meaningful and more important than a video game. LBP is just fun stuff.. not a way of life. mmm'kay? I absoulutely hate the "Oh it's just a game" excuse... The combination of a social network and videogame was a horrible idea if people are only going to see it as a game.. So where does the game end? Is LBPC a game? Is Twitter? Is LBPlanetarium? I was under the impression that we were all real people that make our own games and even come outside of the game to forums like this to discuss aspects of the game, socialize and help others get a bit of exposure on the games, music and films they have made. I feel calling all this "just a game" belittles all the work all the people at LBPC and other fansites have put into it to help people in it. Even you JDubs.. I could by that same logic say, "Hey, all that work you put into creator spotlights etc. was stupid and pointless because it's just a game and you should just have fun playing it" or "Hey, spotlight crew, why try to help creators get recognition and give people levels to play if it's just a game? IMHO you guys should just have fun playing it and not worry about trying to help people." "Hey, contest crew, just stop bothering to host contests and coming up with interesting themes for contests for people to participate in and maybe win a little reward crown. It's just a game and no one should care about that." I actually believe those who help with all this should have their hard work rewarded, it would be wonderful if the contests had more participants, the spotlights yeilded more plays and those organizing these events had some sort of significance to the community. Now I have said before, maybe a bit too harshly and I appologise, that it is kinda lame that people with Royalty keep winning contests, certain people get all of their levels spotlighted or get 7+ spotlights before another creator gets one and that it is also kinda lame that certain creators get 3+ Mm picks before another deserving creator gets one. Then to stack these upon themselves all the time is pretty dishearting.. NOT the end of the world. Emphasis on the "kinda lame". I do not hate the contest crew, spotlight crew, Mm picked creators and Spaff with a burning passion like many think I do, nor have I ever, ever stated that I want or deserve a Mm pick and am jealous that I don't have one. I state this as a general comment across all creators and not for myself. Plus it isn't Spaff or the Mm picked creators fault that their levels get thousands of plays. It's the masses of naive players that only use Cool pages and Mm picks fault really. So that anger is, by myself and many others, a bit misguided at times. Again I apologize. No one should really be able to complain without suggesting possible solutions to the problems they mention and no one should be able to complain about not getting plays, hearts and reviews if they don't give them themselves, right? That's hypocrisy. Well I think something like Mr. Fusion said here is a wonderful suggestion that I would like to elaborate on. As this has passed a discussion of 'is there a conspiracy' into the realm of Mm pick hate etc. I began to wonder why people get so upset when something gets recognition and it occurred to me it is because there are only two places in the game that it can happen. Mm Picks and Cool Pages. It would be pretty sweet to have some integration with forums. Imagine seeing a LBPC page that had the winners from competitions listed as well as spotlight. Or a list of crowns for games entrants. The exposure from this type of integration would make a lot of people happy. With so many more opportunities for recognition. I love this! I had a similar idea in which new filters were added that incorperated certain pin awarded levels. Imagine if there was a seperate filter for all levels that won Royalty from all the sites. They could have little crowns on the level badges or maybe a purple ribbon. Maybe a certain filter of "See what I did there?" levels that were all great tutorials? With a cute little blue ribbon. A special filter for Awesomesauce levels.. that actually defined awesomesauce since it is so vague and wrongly given as a contest prize.. Perhaps a new group of people could pick "awesome" levels that would have green ribbons and their own filter too? Of course a filter and some signification of spotlighted levels would be really cool as well. I think a ribbon and filter specifically for films would be nice too. Sure it's just hopeful wishes, but I think something like this would not only help creators get more exposure, but also organize the searches for players that only use the 2 main filters, as well as just show all the different acheivements creators can earn from various places. Of corse, this would require such pins as "Awsomesauce" and "See what I did there?" to be given more frequently. I mean, Awesomesauce is a pin I'd want a hell of of a lot more than a Mm pick simply becasue it is the rarest... and most awesome..

2012-01-06 17:59:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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The way I see it is this...There are millions of levels out there and Mm don't have enough time or manpower to scour every level ever published to pick out the hidden gems. They rely on people's recommendations via Twitter to ascertain which levels are worth checking out. Now it seems there are two types of creators out there who actually give a toss about Mm picks... First there are creators who form a network of friends, and who enjoy and appreciate each others work. They are generally proactive in tweeting Spaff to let him know when they have played a good level which they feel warrants his attention, or when they have produced something themselves which they would like him to play. Like Mm, they don't have time to play every level out there to find those hidden gems, so they generally go by creators whose work they are familiar with and by word of mouth between them. Then there are people who make little concerted effort to promote themselves or to make wider connections within the internet community. They put more effort into moaning about the unfairness of the system and forming speculative theories about why their level that they worked hard on wasn't given a chance at an Mm pick, than they do into actually making positive contact with the people who can make a difference, ie: Spaff and those who regularly tweet him with recommendations. One of these types of creator stands a better chance of getting an Mm pick then the other. Call that a "conspiracy" if you like. Yeah, I know I'm doing it wrong. I have lots of friends with MM Picks (all deserved), some with multiple picks. But I'd never ask them to contact Spaff for me. I asked for consideration of my level for MM Pick status on Twitter, never got one. A friend of mine said "just ask this person to Tweet Spaff". I said no. He asked why not, it was, in his opinion, as deserving as any others. I explained it felt like cheating. If my level is ever picked, I'd rather it be because Spaff decided it looked interesting and gave it a Pick on its own merit. Does this mean I'll likely never get a play or MM Pick? Most likely. But I'm fine with that. I'm perfectly happy creating on my moon by myself, as I usually do. If one day I log on and have an MM Pick, I can be grateful, and smile, knowing I got it because the level was good, not because someone told Spaff he should think its good. What will be will be, I'm good either way.

2012-01-06 18:04:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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I don't see any problem with MM Picks. The idea of an elite group controlling the picks is just absurd. They're levels that amazed Media Molecule, simple as that. Your level isn't picked? It didn't amaze Spaff or whoever is responsible for picking levels. And that doesn't mean your level isn't great. It doesn't mean MM didn't play it because they weren't looking. It doesn't mean the MM employees didn't enjoy playing it. It just means they didn't think it was groundbreaking on any level. And they're entitled to their opinion just like everybody else. Just because it's MM Pick-worthy in your eyes or because some people reviewed it with "mmpick yay if u agree" doesn't mean you should expect a pink ribbon around the level badge anytime soon. That said, people shouldn't have a MM Pick in mind when making a level. Make levels for the community and for yourself, not for MediaMolecule. Take your time, have fun creating, make friends in the community, advertise your level through the proper channels, and you'll get recognition for sure. Do you care more if people enjoy it or if MM puts a ring ribbon on it?

2012-01-06 18:39:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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I personally twitted Explorer to Spaff, as I did for Felkroth's Sald Fate and other stuff, levels from people I didn't even know. It happened with AlleyCat for example, we become friends AFTER I recommnded his levels on twitter. Didn't even knew he was registered here on Central...figure it out! So...it doesn't work as you guys think. Though I'm not willing to spend endless strings of bytes to type long posts to have people believe me. The rare times I play and found some stuff that impress me, I always try to call from attention, not only from Spaff, but for all the Community. Fact is, like with Felkroth's level, that the same Community is often more unwilling to help than Spaff. When I recommend a level, it's not a favour I want from Spaff, is a favour I DO to the whole community, because there are levels that I think MUST be played and acknowledged. All must play them, not only Spaff. But it's the same community that doesn't rewards some levels until they get picked. Why? Is it jealousy?...by the stink under my nose I say yes. Then when a level gets picked the madness begins. I think all the creators should be more relaxed and less obsessed.

2012-01-06 18:42:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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. If one day I log on and have an MM Pick, I can be grateful, and smile, knowing I got it because the level was good, not because someone told Spaff he should think its good. i'm sure spaff can think for himself, all you would be asking is for him to play your level, if he did pick it it would be because he thinks it is good, not because he was told to do so. also to everyone who says spaff isnt doing his job- do you even know what his job involves? the title of community manager doesn't only mean "play as many community levels as possible for MM picks", and he may have the title of community manager but that doesn't mean that is his only role at Media Molelule either. I absoulutely hate the "Oh it's just a game" excuse... The combination of a social network and videogame was a horrible idea if people are only going to see it as a game.. So where does the game end? Is LBPC a game? Is Twitter? Is LBPlanetarium? I was under the impression that we were all real people that make our own games and even come outside of the game to forums like this to discuss aspects of the game, socialize and help others get a bit of exposure on the games, music and films they have made. I feel calling all this "just a game" belittles all the work all the people at LBPC and other fansites have put into it to help people in it. but it IS just a game, that doesnt mean you cant care about it enough to help others in anyway possible (for example- community sites comps etc), but it does mean you shouldnt get too worked up about it because after all it is intended to be for entertainment purposes only. the moment you start getting worked up over a game is the moment you stop having fun, so people who cant enjoy it for what it is (just a game) should move on and leave the rest of us to our fun

2012-01-06 18:51:00 Author: evret Posts: 612

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I could by that same logic say, "Hey, all that work you put into creator spotlights etc. was stupid and pointless because it's just a game and you should just have fun playing it" or "Hey, spotlight crew, why try to help creators get recognition and give people levels to play if it's just a game? IMHO you guys should just have fun playing it and not worry about trying to help people." "Hey, contest crew, just stop bothering to host contests and coming up with interesting themes for contests for people to participate in and maybe win a little reward crown. It's just a game and no one should care about that." ... unless they are having fun doing it and/or helping other people to have fun, as part of the Metagame of LBP... THEN it's not pointless. It's kind of entirely the point of the game... of any game. Certainly it's not pointless in the same way as getting yourself worked up over stuff like: Mm picks, who gets them, how many total get picked, when did Spaff last pick one, who has he been tweeting with, what he had for dinner, or what is his favorite tea. as some people do. And sorry to repeat the phrase you don't like, but it is a game (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=game). If you're not having fun you're doing it wrong. // Hmmm... pivott got their first But I have links! Links, I tells ya!!

2012-01-06 19:02:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Personally, I think I'd be more honoured to have a Community Spotlight-picked level here on LBPC than an Mm Pick. Knowing that you've been recognised amidst an actual community of creative people rather than a community of unoriginal, childish people (I.e. the general LBP crowd who aren't on fansites like this one) is much more of an achievement. You've been picked out of a handful of good levels, rather than a bucketload of not-so-good ones.

2012-01-06 19:03:00 Author: Plasmavore Posts: 1913

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i'm sure spaff can think for himself, all you would be asking is for him to play your level, if he did pick it it would be because he thinks it is good, not because he was told to do so. also to everyone who says spaff isnt doing his job- do you even know what his job involves? the title of community manager doesn't only mean "play as many community levels as possible for MM picks", and he may have the title of community manager but that doesn't mean that is his only role at Media Molelule either. I agree completely. but it IS just a game, that doesnt mean you cant care about it enough to help others in anyway possible (for example- community sites comps etc), but it does mean you shouldnt get too worked up about it because after all it is intended to be for entertainment purposes only. the moment you start getting worked up over a game is the moment you stop having fun, so people who cant enjoy it for what it is (just a game) should move on and leave the rest of us to our fun It's a game people can use as platform to express themselves, their ideas, their stories, their music, even notions of art and gameplay, and it's a game where they can interact with other like-minded people. It's an unique game whose online community has a potential like no one has ever seen. People get worked up for much less, like arguing which gray-brown samey old shooter game is the best.

2012-01-06 19:04:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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Well IMHO, it is and at the same time is not just a game. LBP is many things and can't really be put as one simple thing. LBP is a game maker, LBP is a Art board to create art on, LBP can be used as many things. and going back on the art subject. Art is not always just a game and is a way of life. least that's how i see it. but no matter what way it is, way of life or not, it's best to just relax and enjoy yourself. *mew

2012-01-06 19:05:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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Personally, I think I'd be more honoured to have a Community Spotlight-picked level here on LBPC than an Mm Pick. Knowing that you've been recognised amidst an actual community of creative people rather than a community of unoriginal, childish people (I.e. the general LBP crowd who aren't on fansites like this one) is much more of an achievement. You've been picked out of a handful of good levels, rather than a bucketload of not-so-good ones. Well said. This is exactly how I feel too. LBPC spotlight > Mm pick, any day of the week.

2012-01-06 19:20:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Even you JDubs.. I could by that same logic say, "Hey, all that work you put into creator spotlights etc. was stupid and pointless because it's just a game and you should just have fun playing it" or "Hey, spotlight crew, why try to help creators get recognition and give people levels to play if it's just a game? IMHO you guys should just have fun playing it and not worry about trying to help people." "Hey, contest crew, just stop bothering to host contests and coming up with interesting themes for contests for people to participate in and maybe win a little reward crown. It's just a game and no one should care about that." lol.. I did have fun doing those... I also loved hearing from folks that enjoyed them. I also had a great time doing all those sets and running the Caption Contest. I never did it for gain.. I just did it because it was great fun and I am rather good at it. If I was a great cook I would feel the same if I cooked an awesome meal for a few friends. If the friends weren't around, then I had an awesome meal for myself. I never did it expecting any reward at all. I simply enjoyed the ride.. especially getting to meet and get behind the scenes with some of my favorite creators and members here on LBPC. I just think you get way over worked on this stuff and I feel it is not good for your health... Quite funny since you were so nice to me on Twitter and seemed to agree with me on that point, but now seem to take another swipe at me here. I don't really mind. Just concerned about how serious you always take this stuff. ...and it is just a game. However to be fair, I have met some of the most amazing folks via this game. That I will treasure for a lifetime. Any of the rewards (pins, awards, crowns, picks either here or via Mm) mean nothing compared to the friendships I have forged here at LBPC.

2012-01-06 19:40:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I personally twitted Explorer to Spaff, as I did for Felkroth's Sald Fate and other stuff, levels from people I didn't even know. It happened with AlleyCat for example, we become friends AFTER I recommnded his levels on twitter. Didn't even knew he was registered here on Central...figure it out! So...it doesn't work as you guys think. Though I'm not willing to spend endless strings of bytes to type long posts to have people believe me. The rare times I play and found some stuff that impress me, I always try to call from attention, not only from Spaff, but for all the Community. Fact is, like with Felkroth's level, that the same Community is often more unwilling to help than Spaff. When I recommend a level, it's not a favour I want from Spaff, is a favour I DO to the whole community, because there are levels that I think MUST be played and acknowledged. All must play them, not only Spaff. But it's the same community that doesn't rewards some levels until they get picked. Why? Is it jealousy?...by the stink under my nose I say yes. Then when a level gets picked the madness begins. I think all the creators should be more relaxed and less obsessed. Oh, thanks for tweeting about Explorers. I don't really follow what goes on on Twitter. I post, ask for a play on my latest level, and then don't look back. If there is some Twitter war, or insults being thrown on Twitter, I don't know anything about them. I'm just saying I would never ask anyone to tweet about my level. As for all the jealousy stuff, I have no idea what is going on. According to Muppets post, he said or did something, and seems a lot of people got upset? I tend to stay on my moon by myself, so, I'm pretty out of the loop on any drama going on. Most times, I venture out of my moon, see drama, and go back fairly quickly. But I'm happy enough just creating by myself, for myself. So, its all good.

2012-01-06 19:42:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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By the way, I am starting an Occupy LBP movement. Anyone who wants to join, simply meet me in my Pod tonight. (I expect the movement to be fairly small since I can only fit 3 extra people.).

2012-01-06 20:02:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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lol.. I did have fun doing those... I also loved hearing from folks that enjoyed them. I also had a great time doing all those sets and running the Caption Contest. I never did it for gain.. I just did it because it was great fun and I am rather good at it. If I was a great cook I would feel the same if I cooked an awesome meal for a few friends. If the friends weren't around, then I had an awesome meal for myself. I never did it expecting any reward at all. I simply enjoyed the ride.. especially getting to meet and get behind the scenes with some of my favorite creators and members here on LBPC. I just think you get way over worked on this stuff and I feel it is not good for your health... Quite funny since you were so nice to me on Twitter and seemed to agree with me on that point, but now seem to take another swipe at me here. I don't really mind. Just concerned about how serious you always take this stuff. ...and it is just a game. However to be fair, I have met some of the most amazing folks via this game. That I will treasure for a lifetime. Any of the rewards (pins, awards, crowns, picks either here or via Mm) mean nothing compared to the friendships I have forged here at LBPC. This is the spirit most of us people share. We take things lightly, trying to do something for friends and for a Community that, dramas or not, at the end of the day deserves to be happy. Point is...all those complaints make our work vain. We don't want anything, we don't ask anything back, we only want to spread some joy. Try to get some people the chance to show what they're worth. Look here (http://lbp.me/v/7ss5jn) How sad is that? A level that won a competition, and has been played by less than 400 people. Congrats for all the support, all you people that didn't play the level! You miss on something, but remember that it's your decision to avoid playing that level, you know it won, it's there. You made your choice to not care, don't blame others. Is Spaff to blame? Is some massonic elite to blame? Or the guilty is "we, the users"? I sense that most of the people lost that thrilling sensation of discovering new levels and sharing them. People has lost interest in others. People don't visit and support the level showcase anymore. They just got obsessed by that damm pink ribbon. No ribbon=crap level... But it's not MM's fault, what is broken is the head of thousands creators that feels in denial. Do you believe all the Molecules played or saw those level? Is Spaff the greatest creator ever that can ultimately recognize the quality of work?

2012-01-06 20:06:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Now that we're all in agreement that there is no conspiracy, ponder this: The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist.

2012-01-06 20:23:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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I personally think that MM works very hard to give everyone their fare share, but the community is big, and I mean BIG. It's like giving a high-five to everyone in the world. It's hard to get plays because there's a lot of competition out there, and no one's going to stop for one level out of nearly 6 million (and counting!). It's like trying to get a jelly bean when reaching into a bucket full of a million different objects. There's no conspiracy behind this, it's just a big world. One should think that we'd be happy about that. The more, the merrier! I mean, not everyone can have their fifteen minutes of fame. It only seems so hard because there are people out there with forty thousand plays on each of their levels. If you have 100 plays, don't feel bad. That's still a lot! One hundred people saw and cared about your level. Isn't that great? I like to think that whenever I feel like giving up on LBP. If you really want to get public, do something! Don't just sit there and wish you were famous. Get connections, advertise, make tutorials, do SOMETHING. To me, every play matters. Even if it's only ten. Although, it is nice to have more than ten.

2012-01-06 20:27:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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Now that we're all in agreement that there is no conspiracy, ponder this: The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. I discovered who's behind your Ninja mask! http://www.binarioloco.it/wp-content/uploads/2006/spacey.jpg

2012-01-06 20:31:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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I'd just like to point out that even when people who are supposedly "influential" tweet Spaff with one of their friends levels, it doesn't necessarily mean that the level will get Mm picked. When I released Space Assassins 2 a lot of my friends, regular tweeters to Spaff, suggested to him that he should check out my level as a potential Mm pick, but I don't think he even played it. I suppose this was a slight disappointment on one hand because I would have liked to show the people who made the game what I've made with the tools they gave me, but it was also a huge relief on the other hand, because my pride and joy wasn't given the kind of unwanted exposure that invites thousands of idiot kids to leave abusive messages on my comments page. Point is, even if you are well connected to the people who are viewed by certain paranoid delusionists as being part of some all-controlling, nepotistic inner circle, it doesn't mean you automatically get awarded the pink ribbon. I'm starting to think there actually IS a conspiracy though. A conspiracy to defame and discredit those people who actually made a good level, tweeted Spaff about it, and got themselves a well deserved Mm pick.

2012-01-06 20:32:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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I'm starting to think there actually IS a conspiracy though. A conspiracy to defame and discredit those people who actually made a good level, tweeted Spaff about it, and got themselves a well deserved Mm pick. http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/5/1/128856977822734569.jpg Nah, just kidding. It's up to you.

2012-01-06 20:39:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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Did you guys completely disregard this whole bit? Now I have said before, maybe a bit too harshly and I apologize, that it is kinda lame that people with Royalty keep winning contests, certain people get all of their levels spotlighted or get 7+ spotlights before another creator gets one and that it is also kinda lame that certain creators get 3+ Mm picks before another deserving creator gets one. Then to stack these upon themselves all the time is pretty dishearting.. NOT the end of the world. Emphasis on the "kinda lame". I do not hate the contest crew, spotlight crew, Mm picked creators and Spaff with a burning passion like many think I do, nor have I ever, ever stated that I want or deserve a Mm pick and am jealous that I don't have one. I state this as a general comment across all creators and not for myself. I don't get worked up about Mm picks, who gets them, how many and all that irrelevant personal stuff about Spaff used to make what I said seem more ridiculous. I only like to look into the stats about what and who is well liked within the community, then express them here as numbers. These types of things DO NOT ruin my fun in playing and creating. I'l keep on happily creating and playing regardless of anything, despite the fact that everyone seems to think that I only care about is who gets what and complain. What DOES take the fun out of it for me, and gets me worked up is that all of you ONLY focus on the negative things I say and exaggerate them, while completely disregarding anything positive and any suggestion that would help the community for all of us. Many of you would rather jump on the bandwagon of posting equally as sarcastic comments on the somewhat negative portion of my posts than take a minute to consider the helpful suggestions and WAY before any of you would even visit my planet to see anything I have done. I don't even have a crown, rare pin, and only recently got a spotlight, so for me to suggest a filter for such things that I don't even have should be somewhat of a hint that I only want to help those that are not Mm picked but have achieved something from the fan sites etc. All I am getting at is that it would be nice if the achievements (which are not controlled by the game but Mm and sites like this) were a bit more dispersed within the widespread community. More filters like Mm picks would do just that. I don't think that is a ridiculous suggestion at all, nor is it getting worked up about Mm picks, nor is it me taking swipes at any specific person.

2012-01-06 20:56:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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Dot, mine is not a reply to a user. Mine is just my overall point of view about what happens. Though I understand everyone's position, I really think that thing have been blown out of proportion.

2012-01-06 21:09:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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More filters like Mm picks would do just that. This exactly. MM picks can't do it alone (and I think they are probably fine as is). Fan site lists like the spotlights should be more easily accessible in-game. Individual players could even create their own lists that others could choose to follow. NOTE: Hearts don't work for this because Dortr hearts everyone. My MM pick experience wasn't overly negative, sure I got tons of spam comments (mostly people wanting their levels played) and my inbox filled with LittleBigInvites. But most comments and messages were pretty nice, ex. people asking for help or how something was done. Of course, since the really negative comments usually had me rolling on the floor maybe I just don't remember clearly...and my level is probably more awesome than most as well, lol!

2012-01-06 21:28:00 Author: fullofwin Posts: 1214

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This exactly. MM picks can't do it alone (and I think they are probably fine as is). Fan site lists like the spotlights should be more easily accessible in-game. Individual players could even create their own lists that others could choose to follow. I think we just need to have Cool Pages renewed. They were never cool and they never worked like they should, so I think they're the real problem when it comes to unfair distribution of plays. My idea: MM chooses like a hundred of the most proactive players there is (those that play AND review most levels) to vote on levels for the cool pages. Once one of these selected players vote on a level, it goes to a list other selected players can acess and vote on. Once a level gets enough votes from people of this group, it goes on to the cool pages. It'd be like quality control, basically. Why have: -MM Picks -crappy Cool Pages that don't work - a new filter that works like the Cool pages should work when we can have: -MM picks -Cool Pages working like they should, without any redundant crap in between?

2012-01-06 21:43:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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I think we just need to have Cool Pages renewed. They were never cool and they never worked like they should, so I think they're the real problem when it comes to unfair distribution of plays. My idea: MM chooses like a hundred of the most proactive players there is (those that play AND review most levels) to vote on levels for the cool pages. Once one of these selected players vote on a level, it goes to a list other selected players can acess and vote on. Once a level gets enough votes from people of this group, it goes on to the cool pages. It'd be like quality control, basically. Why have: -MM Picks -crappy Cool Pages that don't work - a new filter that works like the Cool pages should work when we can have: -MM picks -Cool Pages working like they should, without any redundant crap in between? Still leaves a lot of problems and a lot more we cant even predict, my opinion, add two more "Pages" so their would be at least 3, "Cool Pages" "Item Pages"(Give a ways)" and "Movie Pages" Maybe even sub categories, but i think this would let a whole lot more good levels get to the cool pages and people who have cool "Give a ways" will be at the tops of those pages, theme with movies, personally i hate give a ways but i love a good movie and a good level. Their are however many people who simply love objects and that would help them just as much as it would help those of us that don't like give a ways.

2012-01-07 00:19:00 Author: Tyranny68 Posts: 390

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I see a lot of people saying, its only a game, and I completely agree. Getting a crown isn't going to help you in real life. Getting an MM Pick won't make all your troubles go away. And I think most people here know that, and agree on it. However, it should be noted, that the game promotes fame. Quick run through our history in the pursuit of fame in LBP, and how, at almost every turn, made the game worse. LBP1 required you to get 50 creator hearts for a trophy. Of course, it was almost impossible to even get 50 plays sometimes, and so H4H was born. People who got on Cool Pages, would rack up 100,000+ plays, and get tons of hearts. So, getting on Cool Pages became the goal. People found ways to cheat. Those people had high Creator Heart counts. It became status symbol. So, people started spamming Cool Pages and racking up creator hearts. They did this none stop and pretrial much destroyed LBP1. But then, salvation! LBP2 is announced. Every says, fix the Cool Pages, and get rid of Hearts as trophy requirements. MM listened... Sort of. Instead of hearts for a trophy, you needed plays, and so, we got P4P. Wasn't to bad though, since people could easily cheat it. Cool Pages, started put really good. So many fantastic levels, but then it seemed all the kids from LBP1 migrated over and well, their idea of Cool is copied LBP1 levels. But that's ok, we have MM Picks! MM will save the community from itself! Well, let's just say that didn't work out either. So, now we are left with, its just a game. Unless you want those cool pins. Of course, those cool pins require you to gain fame. Did you know there is one for getting 10,000 yays on a level? Not plays - yays. That of course requires 10's of thousands of plays. How could you ever get that? 3 days on Cool Pages isn't enough. Which leaves - MM Picks. And so, every is looking to MM Picks. The game promotes fame, MM Picks are the quickest way to a mini sort of fame. And so people begin to push and shove to get at it. And here we are. Luckily for me, I don't care about trophies or pins or crowns. (I don't have Platinum on either game, and probably never will cause it takes me away from creating for too long.). I wouldn't mind trying my hand at a crown contest, but most times, I'm busy creating personal projects that are simply more interesting to me to make. But I do realize I'm in the minority when it comes to how I play (alone on my moon most of the time), but I can definitely see how others who play the game can get caught up in the pursuit of achieving higher fame. After all, its part of the game.

2012-01-07 00:56:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Geez guys, Please stop trying to get us down. I for one still think it's a brilliant game, and mainly use it FOR FUN. I loved creating, and then getting plays from people I'd never interacted with...that was brilliant for me. I don't even know how one finds a level...I mainly go on reccomendations, and being in others' pods. But anyway, the MM Picks are all good levels imo. I probably won't post on this thread again, I'll just keeping watching until you all create a petition to change the game. Dangit to heck, I would love the game if lockstich had a new level! (Yeah that was oftopic but...) anyway, keep on complaining if you will, but just try to have fun, ok people?

2012-01-07 01:15:00 Author: Valeview Posts: 1581

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Geez guys, Please stop trying to get us down. I for one still think it's a brilliant game, and mainly use it FOR FUN. I loved creating, and then getting plays from people I'd never interacted with...that was brilliant for me. I don't even know how one finds a level...I mainly go on reccomendations, and being in others' pods. But anyway, the MM Picks are all good levels imo. I probably won't post on this thread again, I'll just keeping watching until you all create a petition to change the game. Dangit to heck, I would love the game if lockstich had a new level! (Yeah that was oftopic but...) anyway, keep on complaining if you will, but just try to have fun, ok people? I find new levels from viewing LBP.me activity. I have hundreds in my queue. I also visit the showcase when I can, and often offer assistance to people who want beta testers in the happy gadders section. I don't co-create with people (I just find it distracting, and I rewind too much, haha), but I'll offer my two cents if someone asks me for it. I was pretty closed off in LBP1, but I've tried to get off my moon a bit more in LBP2. Mostly, its been a good experience.

2012-01-07 01:37:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Crap! They know!

2012-01-07 02:08:00 Author: Undarivik Posts: 442

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I think that the only conspiracy now is all these people posting in this thread are intentionally doing it to stop me from creating stuff, it's quite amusing and distracting. I'm on to you. So knock it off. Well I think something like Mr. Fusion said here is a wonderful suggestion that I would like to elaborate on. I love this! I had a similar idea in which new filters were added that incorperated certain pin awarded levels. Imagine if there was a seperate filter for all levels that won Royalty from all the sites. They could have little crowns on the level badges or maybe a purple ribbon. Maybe a certain filter of "See what I did there?" levels that were all great tutorials? With a cute little blue ribbon. A special filter for Awesomesauce levels.. that actually defined awesomesauce since it is so vague and wrongly given as a contest prize.. Perhaps a new group of people could pick "awesome" levels that would have green ribbons and their own filter too? Of course a filter and some signification of spotlighted levels would be really cool as well. I think a ribbon and filter specifically for films would be nice too. Sure it's just hopeful wishes, but I think something like this would not only help creators get more exposure, but also organize the searches for players that only use the 2 main filters, as well as just show all the different acheivements creators can earn from various places. Of corse, this would require such pins as "Awsomesauce" and "See what I did there?" to be given more frequently. I mean, Awesomesauce is a pin I'd want a hell of of a lot more than a Mm pick simply becasue it is the rarest... and most awesome.. Having integrated competitions and suchlike will allow for more avenues of potential recognition. Each time I log in there is 5000+ new stages published. That's a lot of noise for people to claw through, more lanes mean less road rage. However I would guarantee that you would see a lot of the same names pop up all the time... why? Because they make great stages. Also Awesomesauce is not the rarest pin. The rarest pin is the 'Secret Society' pin. 0_o

2012-01-07 05:24:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799

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Well it's been an interesting thread to read, with some good arguments on both sides of the fence. I do think some aspects have been exagerated to a point where the original issues are just being ignored tho. (examples: 'The community manager isn't involved with the community apart from a small group of people' becomes 'the community manager can't play every level out there and has other aspects to his job'. No-one has said that to be the case, so why argue against it? 'The community manager shows no evidence of interacting with the community apart from a small group of people' becomes 'there is a conspiracy to control Mm picks and the cool pages'. Who actualymade that comment and seriously advocated that is what is happening? The 'conspiracy' statement doesn't seem to have been attributed to anyone (that I can see) so in itself is meaningless. I'll pose some questions: Should a community manager be actively involved in the community as PART of his role, and should that involvement demionstrate impartiality, and be free of any suggestion of nopotism or favourtism? If a group of talented creators proclaim themselves to be elite, create a banner proclaiming this on levels, making a level with it in the name http://lbp.me/v/0bjdwc, create a user group onforums http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/group.php?groupid=911 can people be suprised at accuastion sof elitism? (I'm not saying every person in said groups is elitist, just that i understand how it can be percieved as such) Are there chat rooms, PSN chat rooms or PC one ssuch as MSN etc that are exclusive to 'top creators' and friends? (my personal experience says yes, I was invited to such a group on PSN, some people were nice, some were incredibly elitist, shockingly so) At the risk of repeating myself again, I am NOT saying that ANYONE engineered a situation where Mm picks, cool pages, competitions, or ANYTHING has been deliberately manipulated by creators. I am not saying tha anyone who's had one or more Mm picks didn't deserve them. I am not saying that anyone who leverages their own popularity to help others is doing a bad thing. Mm picks are NOT the issue, they are merely symptomatic. (and of course they aren't the be all and end all, who actually has said otherwise? Once again, exageration makes the initial issue be buried)

2012-01-07 15:06:00 Author: MuddledMuppet Posts: 115

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You could just join that group.

2012-01-07 15:49:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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If a group of talented creators proclaim themselves to be elite, create a banner proclaiming this on levels, making a level with it in the name http://lbp.me/v/0bjdwc, create a user group onforums http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/group.php?groupid=911 can people be suprised at accuastion sof elitism? (I'm not saying every person in said groups is elitist, just that i understand how it can be percieved as such) lol, I like how you just brought my group into a conversation that it has nothing to do with. I have seen your comments towards my group and me, so I will set a couple things straight. Little Big Creators Elite is a create team and promotional group that I created in the intent of giving deserving creators a chance to get some recognition they may not otherwise get. I have formed a powerhouse create team, and have helped many unknown and talented creators at the same time. Hearts, number of plays, who's friends with who... None of those are factors in the way my group is run. So you can hardly call it 'elitist'. On subject. As for MM picks... I do believe that there needs to be a better system for picking them. It seems as tho if you aren't already an established creator or good 'friends' with certain people, you can pretty much forget about it. Good creators just aren't being given the opportunity or chance that they should be. I do think that their should be multiple people in charge of picking levels. The fact that only one person is playing and picking levels makes it less surprising that certain creators are being picked. Also, it's hard to imagine that one person can have the free time to really give all of the great levels being published equal opportunity to get played.

2012-01-07 15:59:00 Author: Bluephantom575 Posts: 142

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I will say what i always say in this topic. Look on other art scenes: photography, art, music or movies. There people who got lot of fame for there great work, but they also got there anti-fans that tell they didnt really deserve it, there people who do great stuff and they are undiscovered (yet?), bah those scenes don't have any "cool pages" to be in, there people who make crap forever. Each entety of of scene got there opinion on other. LBP is no diffrent, whatever you treat it as fun or real deal canvas for your work, it will work that way anyway whatever you like it or not. Even if Cool Pages would be magicly fair, there not enoth space to even fit everyone and there always be people saying it's unfair just because there levels don't show up there. That why i see pointless to even ague about it, it only destroys people relations even more, thats what imo destroys LBP community that left (because if you didnt noticed there not much run left since beta and early days). People imagin LBP as some art fairy tail where everyone good will be reworded, but same as everywhere else it's sadly not a case

2012-01-07 16:04:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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Are there chat rooms, PSN chat rooms or PC one ssuch as MSN etc that are exclusive to 'top creators' and friends? (my personal experience says yes, I was invited to such a group on PSN, some people were nice, some were incredibly elitist, shockingly so) Define "Top Creator". Are you? You were invited. So was I. Am I a top creator? Or is it something else that matters? Becoming a 'top creator' doesn't purge ones character of douchbag tendencies either, so nothing new there. Does that accurately describe the people in those chatrooms? Mm picks are NOT the issue, they are merely symptomatic. (and of course they aren't the be all and end all, who actually has said otherwise? Once again, exageration makes the initial issue be buried) What are they symptomatic of?

2012-01-07 16:56:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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Define "Top Creator". Are you? You were invited. So was I. Am I a top creator? Or is it something else that matters? Becoming a 'top creator' doesn't purge ones character of douchbag tendencies either, so nothing new there. Does that accurately describe the people in those chatrooms? I've never been invited and not sure to what... but then again, I have quite a few friends I used to work with. We go out, shoot pool and have a few drinks. I haven't invited any one from here to that.

2012-01-07 17:06:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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@blue, I didn't say you or the group IS elitist, I said I can understand how it wuld be percieved as such. It erm... has 'elite' in the name. Please don't take it as a personal attack, but it is how the term first struck me when i first came upon it in a level on LBP. Some of the people in it I've played with and they've kindly helped me and others, but the term is not really open to many interpretations, even if it wans't meant that way it can easilly be percieved that way. A group that has some of the undoubted best LBP creators out there that states it is Elite, must surely be aware of what th eword means, and have more than enough creativity to choose a more descriptive term if they don't percieve themselves as the best. @shadow, you make an excellent point, but if you were to take any other art scene it wouldn't have one person who influences who 'makes it' to the extent there is on LBP. @antikris, 'tp creator' is how it was defined to me when I was introduced to it. And no, of course being a top creatr doesn't purge anyone o being a *********, (or conversly imply that you are) I didn't imply for one oment that it dd. And in asnwer to your question am I? No. I've never seen or portrayed myself in that light. The Mm picks are symptomatic (to me, I said all along that this was my opinion, never claimed it as 'fact&apos that the community manager is not involved in the community bar a small circle of people. @jww, of course you wouldn't invite people from here to our local. To take your anology further tho, would you invite the 'best' pool players only, and make them asolutely promise not to tell other people the event was being arranged? I don't know you but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. You might exclude certain people as you didn't get on with them but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't base the decision on skill at pool. Again, I'm not saying tere is a conspiracy, I never have thought that, but there's plenty of things that, for me, just don't sit right. It's funnily ironic, that what sarted e off thinking about all of this was me trying to speak to spaff about being able toban trols/haters/abusers etc from my planet, but like most people, I was ignored. Now some of the 'conspiritors' have asked spaff to address this issue becaue they too arecoing under attack, changes are afoot. I'm notsaying anthingese about that, but **** it's pretty ironic Anyway, a far few people have made some pretty nasty attacks on me on my LBP comments pae, which added to the exasperation I was felig by continually having to read what a turd and a retad I am in level reviews, and as has rightly beeen said soooo many times, the game should be about fun. It's my opinion that a position proclaimied 'community manager' should at least demonstrate attempts to sort this. Others feel differently. I haven't atacked anyone to the degree I have been attacked over this, and nor will I, and neiter do I wish ill on anyone or judge their character merely based on their having a different opinion. My experience is no longer fun, I will be helping a few friends withstuff from time to ime, but right now I'm having more fun sniping people in battlefield 3 than in sniping at people in here It's a new year, fresh start an' all that, so best wishes to all, regardless of stance on anything LBP wise, have a good un

2012-01-07 18:15:00 Author: MuddledMuppet Posts: 115

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@shadow, you make an excellent point, but if you were to take any other art scene it wouldn't have one person who influences who 'makes it' to the extent there is on LBP. Well conspiracy thing is is overboard ofcorse XD There is people who are known to MM and we can't deny that they have a lot bigger favor to be picked, but really not anyone control it (Except Spaff XD) there lot of picks from random people, prime example is people from Japan that are quite isolated (Are yet to meet one in pod) and don't have MM contacts, yet they get picked. Cool pages are out of control complitly, but it's possible to infuance it if a group of players, it's also possible to block somebody to getting there, but in both cases there need a very fast reaction and cordination when level being published, makibng it a hard task for kids. I do boost my every level, which means i play few sessions with 4 players, but it only gives a some head start, in reality all depends on random plays and how they are rated

2012-01-07 19:14:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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Here's an idea, why not suggest to MM to add filter options for LBPC Spotlights and other website level picks? I think that might allow more good levels to get noticed if it's placed right under MM picks filter.

2012-01-07 19:44:00 Author: comishguy67 Posts: 849

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I will say what i always say in this topic. Look on other art scenes: photography, art, music or movies. There people who got lot of fame for there great work, but they also got there anti-fans that tell they didnt really deserve it, there people who do great stuff and they are undiscovered (yet?), bah those scenes don't have any "cool pages" to be in, there people who make crap forever. Each entety of of scene got there opinion on other. LBP is no diffrent, whatever you treat it as fun or real deal canvas for your work, it will work that way anyway whatever you like it or not. Even if Cool Pages would be magicly fair, there not enoth space to even fit everyone and there always be people saying it's unfair just because there levels don't show up there. That why i see pointless to even ague about it, it only destroys people relations even more, thats what imo destroys LBP community that left (because if you didnt noticed there not much run left since beta and early days). People imagin LBP as some art fairy tail where everyone good will be reworded, but same as everywhere else it's sadly not a case This. 1 gazillionth of times. Also, again...ContestCrew, SpotlightCrew, LittleBigPicks, HiddenGems and everyone else that work his butt for free to give exposure to levls, thank you so much for being considered crap. It seems that only Spaff matters...bah...

2012-01-07 20:23:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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not sure if i'm included in that, might just be my paranoia, but i did have a hidden gems level myself as soon as i was gettig a fair few plays, also have level linked lots of 'unkowns', and done various other bits n pieces to help others, have made quite a few 'muddledmuppet recommends' levels linking directly to others. I did find pretty much like yourself tho, that such efforts weren't entirely successful. I've also done posts in the recommended levels section on here which were largely ignored, I'm sure others have too.

2012-01-07 20:50:00 Author: MuddledMuppet Posts: 115

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This. 1 gazillionth of times. Also, again...ContestCrew, SpotlightCrew, LittleBigPicks, HiddenGems and everyone else that work his butt for free to give exposure to levls, thank you so much for being considered crap. It seems that only Spaff matters...bah... I think that unfortunately people expect too much from Spaff and mediamolecule in this regard. I do agree that the UI should feature more options than Cool Pages and mmpicks... perhaps an RSS feed for the Spotlight and contest winners as people here have suggested... (maybe then mmpicks wouldn't incite such a controversy). Is there nepotism and favortism at work in LBP? Maybe so, maybe not... but that's just life.

2012-01-07 21:03:00 Author: Chazprime Posts: 587

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To recap: Ungreth: "lol, some guy said he thinks there's a conspiracy to make things unbalanced. Lets all laugh at his stupidity!" Everybody else: "OMGZ LETS TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, GO ON THE DEFENSIVE AND START ARGUMENTS ABOUT PROBLEMS THAT ARE IN OUR HEADS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FREAK OUT EVERYTIME SOMEONE ACCUSES SOMEONE OF BEING ELITE EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT BUT WE STILL FEEL COMPELLED TO REPLY TO STUPID PEOPLE BECAUSE WE OURSELVES ARE STUPID AND CANT HAVE THE COMMON SENSE TO IGNORE IT AFTER WE'VE BEEN HEARING THIS ELITIST NONSENSE FOR OVER A YEAR AND THE ONLY RIFT IN THE COMMUNITY IS THE ONE CAUSED BY THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP REPEATING THAT THEY ARE NOT ELITE, LETTING THEIR INSECURITY AND WEAKMINDEDNESS BRING UP A SUBJECT THEY HATE BECAUSE THEY CANT JUST LET IT DIE, AND THEY CANT WAIT TO SCAPEGOAT "TROLLS" FOR CAUSING ARGUMENTS LIKE THE LEKLACK/MUDDLEDMUPPET THING BUT IF THEY WOULDNT ACKNOWLEDGE OR REPLY THERE WOULD BE NO "DRAMA" BECAUSE IT TAKES 2 TO ARGUE. /thread.

2012-01-07 21:13:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800

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Hey Bremnen, looks like you left Caps on by accident. In case you didn't know, you can turn it off by pressing the "Caps Lock" key. It's the one on the left that says "Caps Lock". I know it's confusing, as you were probably looking for the "Caps Off" key, but it's definitely the "Caps Lock" that you wanted. Kthxbai. Mwahahahahahahahaha!!

2012-01-07 21:27:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Every time I read these conspiracies I laugh and shoot bits of tater tots out of my nostrils. I just thought you would like to know.

2012-01-07 21:40:00 Author: Littlebigdude805 Posts: 1924

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every time i see conspiricies i wonder just who has actually said it

2012-01-07 21:58:00 Author: MuddledMuppet Posts: 115

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I think that unfortunately people expect too much from Spaff and mediamolecule in this regard. I do agree that the UI should feature more options than Cool Pages and mmpicks... perhaps an RSS feed for the Spotlight and contest winners as people here have suggested... (maybe then mmpicks wouldn't incite such a controversy). Is there nepotism and favortism at work in LBP? Maybe so, maybe not... but that's just life. And not just the winners, I'd like to see all contestants that entered. Sometimes, I think some of the non winners had the better level, and I know I probably only play a small sampling. It would be nice to have a nice layout to scroll through. (Yes, I know I could do a search, but I'm sure if it was an option at my finger tips, me and others would be more likely to go back through old entries. Also, I bet this would be a big incentive for some people to enter these contests, which would drive up membership on LBP sites. Sounds like a win. Of course, I doubt that would happen.) I think MM Picks are a big incentive for the community to really strive to make unique and well made levels. If MMPicks were done more often, and the net cast out a bit further on levels played, I think Picks could, and has been a fun part of the LBP2 community. I'd love to see it become more active. It's part of the game, and it just feels dead. I really hope Spaff will consider how to make this part of the game a bigger part of the game. I see so many levels out there that deserve their day in the sun. Sooo many. Look at all the Spotlights, LittleBigPicks, Hiddengems, all the player created levels created to show Spaff levels that should be MM Picked. All the Tweets from people about their levels, or other peoples levels that get passed over. Can Spaff play all these? Of course not. Could he/MM spread the love a bit more and be more active utilizing all these resources? I would have to guess it would not be an impossible task. But that's just a guess.

2012-01-08 00:49:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Every time I hear about conspiracy people tend to disappear. (I've seen loads of people I did trust who posted me stupid stuff like chain mails for free PSN content or conspiracy things - people are na?ve). The funniest message I got was from a total stranger, and here I decided to reply to this whole subject in the same way, so here's my opinion about this conspiracy thing. I hate conspiracy theories. I mean, it has absolutely no point! If there's a conspiracy and if you can prove it so fast that it would be so easy to do a conspiracy, then what can we do about it ? Cry in a corner ? Panic in case it's true ! I really hate people who pretend there are conspiracies, even as a theory, even if it's a joke, because conspiracies start fear, fear grows into panic and panic into chaos. Conspiracy theories can cause death. Salem witches, doesn't that remind you something ? Hundreds of women, killed "in case" they were witches. That's just a random famous example, but really, there were thousands of people killed "because the sold their soul to the devil" and things like that. The devil isn't visible, why should we fear him in case he exist ? I mean, if you don't do anything because you're scared of death, you might end up dead before you had the time to do anything. It's a sad world we live in. I really hate people who spread these idiot conspiracy theories. They should get arrested. But we never find out who started that conspiracy theory. The name of the original author of that theory always seems to vanish, magically... Perhaps it's a hack ? Perhaps they have these super-computers which can search on the whole internet ? Yeah, that must be it! They delete every reference to the origin of the conspiracy theory and replace it with "a friend of my friend told the cousin of my cousin that...". Yeah, I'm sure of it, they are playing with us. They can see every move we do. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!

2012-01-08 01:19:00 Author: Unknown User

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every time i see conspiricies i wonder just who has actually said it As regards the message I was sent about the alleged conspiracy, it was from some random dude I who I added over a year ago because he sent me a friends request. I've never had much to do with him and I've never seen him on any LBP fansite or on Twitter. I won't post his username here out of respect for his privacy, and I don't think he's anything to do with any of those factions who likes to stir up controversy. I think he had just heard something on the grapevine, and since I have an Mm pick he asked me out of curiosity if I knew anything about it.

2012-01-08 08:45:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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@jww, of course you wouldn't invite people from here to our local. To take your anology further tho, would you invite the 'best' pool players only, and make them asolutely promise not to tell other people the event was being arranged? I don't know you but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. You might exclude certain people as you didn't get on with them but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't base the decision on skill at pool. I wasn't going to reply since this thread has gone so wacky, but you did ask. My analogy was simply to show how silly I thought this secret chat thing was. Who said it was the top creators? TP also stands for Toilet Paper. For example, just like that Elite group, it is just a freaking name. Even if there were some creators that think they are the "best of the best" I am sure anyone could find 20 others just as good or better, including myself. You talk about that chat like they were plotting the end of days or something, but all you share is you got invited out to a chat which to me is no different than a few friends of mine going out for a few drinks a pool. i.e nothing to see here, no conspiracy, just some folks that possibly think a bit much about themselves or you misunderstood the whole thing. Though I might be interested in knowing what you feel didn't feel right to you. ...but truthfully it doesn't matter to me as much as friends of ours getting slammed with disparaging comments for no good reason. I just want it all to stop and everyone to get along. I even hate that you are getting similar messages. Makes me feel whoever they are should be invited in here and pound this out once and for all. Then all pop out for a few drinks. lol Anyway.. all the best. Hope things work out for you and please enjoy LBPC and LBP. Let us know if we can help. So back to the real topic.. Ungreth did you get the message about the next "chat"? I hear sackboy called us back to active duty again. Wear the hood and cape.. I think you look cute in it.

2012-01-08 17:34:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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As regards the message I was sent about the alleged conspiracy, it was from some random dude I who I added over a year ago because he sent me a friends request. I've never had much to do with him and I've never seen him on any LBP fansite or on Twitter. I won't post his username here out of respect for his privacy, and I don't think he's anything to do with any of those factions who likes to stir up controversy. I think he had just heard something on the grapevine, and since I have an Mm pick he asked me out of curiosity if I knew anything about it. What's funny is, I don't think anyone in this entire thread even gave the OP any thought. (Although, Muppets post about being invited into a secret club is pretty funny considering the subject. Most people seem to being placing the praise or blame directly at Spaff's feet, which I think it the correct place. The creators, whether Spaff favors some over others, has nothing to do with the creators. I will say, in most cases, 99% of the well known creators, although fairly exclusive in who they hang out with or which levels they play, have never presented themselves as better than anyone. If they tend to keep to their own group, that should be fine. I know people want to highlight that as some kind of offense, but its not. Would it be nice if they were more sociable? Maybe. I don't know any of them, so I can't say if I'd care for them much. I know I have no interest in trying to gain access into their tight knit group, but I don't hold it against them either. Personally, I try to be open to anyone. I accept all friend requests on LBPC, I accept all requests to join groups (that aren't Clans for plays), and generally accept invites if there is a message. Many times, its just kids who say, "I'm your biggest fan!". Most of them are young and think I'm famous (I think people often confuse famous, with their own familiarity with the Creator). There are only a few Creators I consider "famous" within the community as a whole, and I am certainly not one of them.). But, if I can make a kid happy by stopping by saying hi, thanks for playing my levels, sure, I'll look at your level. I try to play levels in the showcase that have hardly any hits. I offer to beta test levels for people I don't know. I asked for beta testers for my Explorers, and asked only for people who were not on my friends list, and preferably people who hadn't played any of my levels. I still talk to some of the people who beta tested. It's a community game, and all too often I see people exclude themselves, or keep to their main set of friends, or only meet new people who they see as "equals". It would be nice if people tried harder to explore craft world a bit more. It's kind of like living in a neighborhood where no one ever goes and knocks on the neighbors door to introduce themselves. So, if some people want to only talk or hang out with some neighbours and don't seem interested in meeting others - as long as they aren't hurting anyone, who cares? Would it be nice if they were more open to meeting new neighbours, sure. But they aren't the only ones on the block. Instead of folks worrying about what they do and say behind closed doors, they should focus more on all those other doors that are just waiting to be knocked on.

2012-01-08 17:45:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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My analogy was simply to show how silly I thought this secret chat thing was. ... but there is a LBPC chatroom (and a number of subrooms, if you like). I didn't think it was a secret, though.

2012-01-08 17:55:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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... but there is a LBPC chatroom (and a number of subrooms, if you like). I didn't think it was a secret, though. Well.. we never heard where he went, just that it was secret and such. Doubt if it was that one at all.

2012-01-08 17:59:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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The more this topic drags, the more it looks silly. Now trying to justify if people were supposedly speaking with other people... This seems like a conspiracy in a nazi world. It's so stupid guys. Grow up.

2012-01-08 18:23:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Ungreth, you get the weirdest messages. It reminds me of this thread. ATGNAT? Glass orb? WTF? (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=21058-ATGNAT-Glass-orb-WTF) I wonder if the two are related. It would seem that they are trying to get the glass orb through other means. Wait! This all makes sense now. They need the glass orb in order to further rule MM picks and cool pages. Ungreth! You must retain the Orb! Don't let them have it! The Orb is their "one ring to rule them all" and if they get it, I fear all will be lost. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and signing off before they come after me too!

2012-01-08 19:42:00 Author: biorogue Posts: 8424

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erm, just for th erecord, i meant to type 'Top creators', not Tp creators, my bad. And it was described to me as 'don't pass this on to just anyone, we dont want any tom **** or har coming in, or words to that effect. no matter tho, in fact, i'd agree that none of this is 'important' in the big scheme of things, toodles

2012-01-08 19:43:00 Author: MuddledMuppet Posts: 115

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Ungreth, you get the weirdest messages. It reminds me of this thread. ATGNAT? Glass orb? WTF? (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=21058-ATGNAT-Glass-orb-WTF) I wonder if the two are related. It would seem that they are trying to get the glass orb through other means. Wait! This all makes sense now. They need the glass orb in order to further rule MM picks and cool pages. Ungreth! You must retain the Orb! Don't let them have it! The Orb is their "one ring to rule them all" and if they get it, I fear all will be lost. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and signing off before they come after me too! Now that you mention it, there also was the fatwa that got put out on him for Space Assassins (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=53722-Is-my-level-offensive-to-muslims) . Maybe there IS a conspiracy going on here

2012-01-08 19:46:00 Author: Chazprime Posts: 587

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This seems like a conspiracy in a nazi world. Godwin's law. You just ended the threat. You did that on purpose, eh?

2012-01-08 23:30:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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LOL Didn't know about this law. I only know that it has gone too far. This search for a guilty, someone to blame is obnoxious, irrelevant, immature and won't lead to a better perception/experience of the game. Peeps...Go, play the game, live its spirit (if you deeply understand it...Play Create Share...) or get the f' out and don't annoy other people.

2012-01-09 07:13:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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erm, just for th erecord, i meant to type 'Top creators', not Tp creators, my bad. And it was described to me as 'don't pass this on to just anyone, we dont want any tom **** or har coming in, or words to that effect. And you didn't take any screenshots of this top secret hideout? There are some pretty angry christians on a hate trip who would love to get their hands on this. I believe you guys are acquainted. every time i see conspiricies i wonder just who has actually said it Yeah, I wonder, too... no matter tho, in fact, i'd agree that none of this is 'important' in the big scheme of things, toodles Spread the scheming. Toodles.

2012-01-09 08:23:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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2012-01-09 09:40:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Lepaca, naamah ama, ruach maskim, rosaran !!!

2012-01-09 10:29:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Lepaca, naamah ama, ruach maskim, rosaran !!! Thou Babilons whore!

2012-01-09 11:21:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Well, this thread went down hill fast.

2012-01-09 12:24:00 Author: Undarivik Posts: 442

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Fast??? It's a snail going north on top of a turtle going south! 4 days...poo on the roads vanishes more quickly

2012-01-09 12:44:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Fast??? It's a snail going north on top of a turtle going south! 4 days...poo on the roads vanishes more quickly Well, you have to stop coming into this thread, and yelling for everyone to look at the slow moving snail. Seriously though, the only reason I clicked on the thread, was to see what you said, haha. Just stop posting and it will go away. This thread was always just going to be a boring merry-go-round. I don't think anyone here ever gave merit to the thought of a secret society trying influence MM Picks. Are there a group of Creators who hang out and consider themselves better than everyone? Could be, but that doesn't affect anything I do on my moon. Funny thing, being on my moon, I had no idea any of about any of the drama going on. Only found out some sad things last night by reading through LBP.me. A real shame all this happened. Anyway, back to my moon.

2012-01-09 14:14:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Lol *facepalm... Mm picked creators are "thanked" the most in this thread by other Mm picked creators in their posts about how silly the idea of elitism is. Now that is truly hilarious! Anyways.. Some of us have gone way past the clear issue of the attention of most of the community focusing on the Mm pick filter and are proposing ideas of helping other creators and the effectiveness of crown contests and spotlights... Perhaps Cymbol, Mr. Fusion, Elvenbane, Comishguy and I should make a seperate thread in sugesstions? Maybe, just maybe, we could all discuss a solution for a new filter or two that we could have Spaff take a look at?

2012-01-09 18:43:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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I don't think a more serious thread about this matter would hurt. In this one we went from crazy conspiracy theories to slightly less crazy conspiracy theories to discussing the need of new filters and better ways for levels to get noticed. That's a little unfocused. I find it very unlikely that MM would go through 10 pages of banter about conspiracies to find people's suggestions.

2012-01-09 19:17:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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Lol *facepalm... Mm picked creators are "thanked" the most in this thread by other Mm picked creators in their posts about how silly the idea of elitism is. Now that is truly hilarious! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Don't read too much into that. If that is elitism...that is just friendship. Some of us know each other for so looooooong, 2-3 years. For example I almost thank every time jww, he's a great friend and though I might not share his position on a matter, I welcome and thank the time he used to post some 100% wise every time, something that is always constructive to the discussions. Same goes for Ungreth or others. So, again...don't look into that... That is friendship, not elitism. Though I appreciate and find amusing the interest and attention in every little detail

2012-01-10 07:28:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Perhaps Cymbol, Mr. Fusion, Elvenbane, Comishguy and I should make a seperate thread in sugesstions? Maybe, just maybe, we could all discuss a solution for a new filter or two that we could have Spaff take a look at? Not a bad idea, it would actually be good for the game and the community as a whole to have a better avenue of recognition. Mm sanctioned competitions (or allowing a space for the major 4(?) forums to submit lists) would be fantastic. Failing that I am formulating a... well.. conspiracy of sorts... I think it'll actually be a great and doable idea... I'll PM some people cloak and dagger style after I have put a little more thought into it...

2012-01-10 07:54:00 Author: Mr_Fusion Posts: 1799

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Not a bad idea, it would actually be good for the game and the community as a whole to have a better avenue of recognition. Mm sanctioned competitions (or allowing a space for the major 4(?) forums to submit lists) would be fantastic. Failing that I am formulating a... well.. conspiracy of sorts... I think it'll actually be a great and doable idea... I'll PM some people cloak and dagger style after I have put a little more thought into it... If you need some kind of help, I'll try to do what I can

2012-01-10 08:02:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Lol *facepalm... Mm picked creators are "thanked" the most in this thread by other Mm picked creators in their posts about how silly the idea of elitism is. Now that is truly hilarious! You cannot claim a causality like that unless you present statistics that show that throughout this entire website MMPicked creators only thank other MMPicked creators. And even then it is a far stretch to conclude that that is evidence of anything particular. Maybe those people share another trait that makes them thankworthy. Perhaps Cymbol, Mr. Fusion, Elvenbane, Comishguy and I should make a seperate thread in sugesstions? Maybe, just maybe, we could all discuss a solution for a new filter or two that we could have Spaff take a look at? Not just you five but all of us could discuss this in a separate thread. I agree with that there could be a better system in place to highlight good creations and good creators. What that system could be and to what end (let's agree that fame is not it) is greatly topic-worthy, IMO.

2012-01-10 13:17:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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I'll take part in a discussion, if people want to talk more about solutions then problems. Dortr? Would you like to start the thread/discussion? This thread should just be locked. I think it was over before it began.

2012-01-10 13:44:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Lol *facepalm... Mm picked creators are "thanked" the most in this thread by other Mm picked creators in their posts about how silly the idea of elitism is. Now that is truly hilarious! *sigh*, every interesting thread I read these days always end in arguments of elitism or some MM nonsense. I consider myself an elite creator and nobody thanks my post--hehe jk Guys theres no Conspiracy, I think MM picks are pretty much left up to chance, and popular creators will stay popular as long as they keep doing stuff and its quality. Thats generally how it works in real life, and although there are some conspiracies on how some actors get popular, there is no definitive evidence that proves MM is in a conspiracy and picks levels based on set laws or rules. sadifnin ginoa fieoisli enfiosifne aefsiern

2012-01-10 14:33:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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*sigh*, every interesting thread I read these days always end in arguments of elitism or some MM nonsense. I consider myself an elite creator and nobody thanks my post--hehe jk Guys theres no Conspiracy, I think MM picks are pretty much left up to chance, and popular creators will stay popular as long as they keep doing stuff and its quality. Thats generally how it works in real life, and although there are some conspiracies on how some actors get popular, there is no definitive evidence that proves MM is in a conspiracy and picks levels based on set laws or rules. sadifnin ginoa fieoisli enfiosifne aefsiern I don't think anyone believes there is a conspiracy made up of creators. Whether there is a sense of elitist sensibilities, or snobbery, who knows. I know its certainly not worth discussing, since the majority of the conversation is based on perceptions. No good will ever come of it, and its not fair to anyone involved. As for MM Picks, here is my final, if lengthy analysis. I think the biggest issue is that its being run by mainly one person. The most obvious issue with this is that one person can not possibly have the time to effectively manage it. With little time available, it forces that person to have a narrow view by default. You mentioned that MM Picks are mostly chance... However, in the same sentence you contend that popular creators (which many people unfairly slam into an elitist category), will always be at the top. That's the way the world works, and I agree. But I think it should be obvious by now that one person simply can't manage an awards program in such a vast community. When the community sees 7 of the last 7 MM Picks go to creators who already had 1 or more Picks - I don't think it should be surprising to hear people start crying foul. What is really sad about this is that many of those creators completely deserve it, (some deserve more Picks in my opinion), but by being so narrow in the selections, it gives off a sense of favoritism. And sadly, it undermines the those selected. Instead of talking about their awesome accomplishments, people focus on the award picker, and jealously disregard those creators fantastic work, in most cases. I really think MM Picks needs to be given to a team of people. Spaff just doesn't have the time. He came in here not long ago and said he'd play every level posted in that thread, or on twitter. He got through 20-30 levels, a good dent in the list, but then never came back to it. So, if anyone here has ever been a manager, you know you can't do everything, or be everywhere. So, if you have an employee of the month program, what do you do? You ask others for nominations. Of course, you have to guard against looking at only certain members recommendations. After a while, you can adapt what is called a "Halo Effect". You have certain employees you trust, they are good employees themselves, so, you decide that their recommendations can be trusted, and are worth your limited time for consideration. I honestly think that is what has happened to MM Picks. I don't think Spaff is showing favoritism. He just doesn't seem like a mean spirited person who would purposefully divide the community like that. But I do think his time is extremely limited, and his forecast a result of his limited time is necessarily narrow. And by default of that narrow view, people feel left out, which leads to feelings of hurt, jealousy, and in extremely cases, conspiracies. That's the problem as I see it. Obviously, I could be completely wrong, and Spaff has all the time in the world. But I'm sticking with my hypothesis at this time. However, I don't like discussing problems without solutions. So what is the solution? Obviously, Spaff needs to step down as the MM manager and devote all his time to being a LBP community manager! Ok, not going to happen. That leaves few options. Get a MM Pick team together, much like a Spotlight Crew, who really has the time to dive into the community and really offers a chance for peoples levels to be randomly discovered. If Twitter is going to remain the main format for looking at level suggestions, then simply play them in order. It looks really bad, and does nothing to help stifling conspirators theories when so many are passed over all the time. Go in the order they were received. That would help so much with all the complaints being leveled at MM Picks right now. I know some of you are saying, Spaff should be allowed to skip ahead and play any level he wants. I disagree. As someone who gives awards for levels, that is about the worst thing he could do to promote the idea of fairness. If he wants to play those levels, he can easily play on another account, and put it on his list to Pick when it officially comes up in the queue. He could dismantle MM Picks, but I think that would be devastating to the community. I think its something that keeps people energized, and keeps them putting their best foot forward. And, he could of course, keep it as is. I love MM Picks. I love when friends get MM Picks, or levels I think deserve them get them. I like creating a level and wondering if it is MM Pick worthy. I gave up waiting for a play long ago, but I think somewhere, in the back of my mind, like so many others, I keep waiting to be surprised, and see that I got a play, a consideration from MM. That's all most people want. To know there is a chance, however small it might be. And with the Picks so seldom, and the field so narrow, I think its hurting the communities spirit. To the point where people are leaving. When the game first started, people had stars in their eyes. There was this great optimism. It's been tragic to watch so much turn to pessimism. I truly hope that Spaff can look at the community and figure out the best way forward on this. He can't stop those who will be jealous no matter what. But from my view, there all small improvements that could be made. Sure, none of this changes, what I create, or how I create, or change that I spend much of my time on my moon alone. But it is an issue I'd like addressed because it is affecting the community I'm part of. People I liked are leaving. My LBP.me feed is depressing. And LBPC is continuously filled with threads about the issues with MM Picks. It's been an issue since the beginning and I'd love for MM to really put their heads together and look at it and consider, "Is this the best it can be, or could we do better?". Anyway, that's my Two Cents on this issue. Ok, a little more than two cents, more like a $50 bill, haha. In the end, what will be, will be. (Sorry for the extremely long post, that really wasn't related to the OP, I just wanted to point out why, I think, most threads discussing MM Picks are rarely productive. Cause really, it all comes down to one man and his time. And only he can address that issue. Thanks for reading. (I'm going to go hide now, and wait for someone to take everything I said out of context, haha.). Catch you guys around.

2012-01-10 17:36:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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well Cymbol here apparently believes that only "Noob" levels should ever be picked and the popular creators should retire from LBP, because "they've had they're moment" Well listen here Cymbol, I've had about about enough of y..Oh wait, sorry. I took everything out of context. I'll go re-read it.

2012-01-10 17:49:00 Author: biorogue Posts: 8424

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well Cymbol here apparently believes that only "Noob" levels should ever be picked and the popular creators should retire from LBP, because "they've had they're moment" Well listen here Cymbol, I've had about about enough of y..Oh wait, sorry. I took everything out of context. I'll go re-read it. Scared me for a moment! Haha.

2012-01-10 18:13:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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I don't think anyone believes there is a conspiracy made up of creators. Whether there is a sense of elitist sensibilities, or snobbery, who knows. I know its certainly not worth discussing, since the majority of the conversation is based on perceptions. No good will ever come of it, and its not fair to anyone involved. As for MM Picks, here is my final, if lengthy analysis. I think the biggest issue is that its being run by mainly one person. The most obvious issue with this is that one person can not possibly have the time to effectively manage it. With little time available, it forces that person to have a narrow view by default. You mentioned that MM Picks are mostly chance... However, in the same sentence you contend that popular creators (which many people unfairly slam into an elitist category), will always be at the top. That's the way the world works, and I agree. But I think it should be obvious by now that one person simply can't manage an awards program in such a vast community. When the community sees 7 of the last 7 MM Picks go to creators who already had 1 or more Picks - I don't think it should be surprising to hear people start crying foul. What is really sad about this is that many of those creators completely deserve it, (some deserve more Picks in my opinion), but by being so narrow in the selections, it gives off a sense of favoritism. And sadly, it undermines the those selected. Instead of talking about their awesome accomplishments, people focus on the award picker, and jealously disregard those creators fantastic work, in most cases. I really think MM Picks needs to be given to a team of people. Spaff just doesn't have the time. He came in here not long ago and said he'd play every level posted in that thread, or on twitter. He got through 20-30 levels, a good dent in the list, but then never came back to it. So, if anyone here has ever been a manager, you know you can't do everything, or be everywhere. So, if you have an employee of the month program, what do you do? You ask others for nominations. Of course, you have to guard against looking at only certain members recommendations. After a while, you can adapt what is called a "Halo Effect". You have certain employees you trust, they are good employees themselves, so, you decide that their recommendations can be trusted, and are worth your limited time for consideration. I honestly think that is what has happened to MM Picks. I don't think Spaff is showing favoritism. He just doesn't seem like a mean spirited person who would purposefully divide the community like that. But I do think his time is extremely limited, and his forecast a result of his limited time is necessarily narrow. And by default of that narrow view, people feel left out, which leads to feelings of hurt, jealousy, and in extremely cases, conspiracies. That's the problem as I see it. Obviously, I could be completely wrong, and Spaff has all the time in the world. But I'm sticking with my hypothesis at this time. However, I don't like discussing problems without solutions. So what is the solution? Obviously, Spaff needs to step down as the MM manager and devote all his time to being a LBP community manager! Ok, not going to happen. That leaves few options. Get a MM Pick team together, much like a Spotlight Crew, who really has the time to dive into the community and really offers a chance for peoples levels to be randomly discovered. If Twitter is going to remain the main format for looking at level suggestions, then simply play them in order. It looks really bad, and does nothing to help stifling conspirators theories when so many are passed over all the time. Go in the order they were received. That would help so much with all the complaints being leveled at MM Picks right now. I know some of you are saying, Spaff should be allowed to skip ahead and play any level he wants. I disagree. As someone who gives awards for levels, that is about the worst thing he could do to promote the idea of fairness. If he wants to play those levels, he can easily play on another account, and put it on his list to Pick when it officially comes up in the queue. He could dismantle MM Picks, but I think that would be devastating to the community. I think its something that keeps people energized, and keeps them putting their best foot forward. And, he could of course, keep it as is. I love MM Picks. I love when friends get MM Picks, or levels I think deserve them get them. I like creating a level and wondering if it is MM Pick worthy. I gave up waiting for a play long ago, but I think somewhere, in the back of my mind, like so many others, I keep waiting to be surprised, and see that I got a play, a consideration from MM. That's all most people want. To know there is a chance, however small it might be. And with the Picks so seldom, and the field so narrow, I think its hurting the communities spirit. To the point where people are leaving. When the game first started, people had stars in their eyes. There was this great optimism. It's been tragic to watch so much turn to pessimism. I truly hope that Spaff can look at the community and figure out the best way forward on this. He can't stop those who will be jealous no matter what. But from my view, there all small improvements that could be made. Sure, none of this changes, what I create, or how I create, or change that I spend much of my time on my moon alone. But it is an issue I'd like addressed because it is affecting the community I'm part of. People I liked are leaving. My LBP.me feed is depressing. And LBPC is continuously filled with threads about the issues with MM Picks. It's been an issue since the beginning and I'd love for MM to really put their heads together and look at it and consider, "Is this the best it can be, or could we do better?". Anyway, that's my Two Cents on this issue. Ok, a little more than two cents, more like a $50 bill, haha. In the end, what will be, will be. (Sorry for the extremely long post, that really wasn't related to the OP, I just wanted to point out why, I think, most threads discussing MM Picks are rarely productive. Cause really, it all comes down to one man and his time. And only he can address that issue. Thanks for reading. (I'm going to go hide now, and wait for someone to take everything I said out of context, haha.). Catch you guys around. Phew...Just saved me a lot of time haha Just about everything I wanted to say about MM picks

2012-01-10 18:28:00 Author: comishguy67 Posts: 849

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If anyone wants my Mm pick they are welcome to it, along with all the personal insults, spam comments and general questioning of Mm's judgement in even picking the level to begin with. Personally I was much happier when the only people playing it were LBPC forum members and when the idiots who post comments such as "vs", "la" and "hhgfrtttyi''ll" were blissfully ignorant of my existence.

2012-01-10 19:16:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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If anyone wants my Mm pick they are welcome to it, along with all the personal insults, spam comments and general questioning of Mm's judgement in even picking the level to begin with. Yeah, Ungreth - your stuff is about as fantastic as it gets. I remember the first time I played Gothic Reverie... Jaeyden sent me a PSN message asking if I had played anything good. I told him to drop everything and go play it. BUT, you can't take a work of art and throw it up in front of a bunch of 8 year olds. They just won't appreciate it... but at the same time, if it weren't for the MM pick there are a LOT of people who DO appreciate it that ended up having a chance to play it. Back on topic... CYMBOL has a really good point, and I think MM was ALMOST THERE about 2 years ago when they had the MM Community Picks. It seemed like a great idea to me that MM use the valuable resources that are the LBP community fan sites to filter down the great levels and produce the MM picks from their picks. SURE, that would mean people who want an MM pick would need to first join a fansite and showcase their level.... and SURE it would mean people would be crying "ELITE!" to the spotlighters of the fan web sites.... but it would also utilize a much larger, and FREE resource that Spaff could use as a tool to produce more fair results. Anyhoo.... just sayin'.

2012-01-10 19:48:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Yeah, Ungreth - your stuff is about as fantastic as it gets. I remember the first time I played Gothic Reverie... Jaeyden sent me a PSN message asking if I had played anything good. I told him to drop everything and go play it. BUT, you can't take a work of art and throw it up in front of a bunch of 8 year olds. They just won't appreciate it... but at the same time, if it weren't for the MM pick there are a LOT of people who DO appreciate it that ended up having a chance to play it. Back on topic... CYMBOL has a really good point, and I think MM was ALMOST THERE about 2 years ago when they had the MM Community Picks. It seemed like a great idea to me that MM use the valuable resources that are the LBP community fan sites to filter down the great levels and produce the MM picks from their picks. SURE, that would mean people who want an MM pick would need to first join a fansite and showcase their level.... and SURE it would mean people would be crying "ELITE!" to the spotlighters of the fan web sites.... but it would also utilize a much larger, and FREE resource that Spaff could use as a tool to produce more fair results. Anyhoo.... just sayin'. At the end of the day, they are ****ed if they do, ****ed if they dont. I for one wouldn't like to be community manager on this game. I'll thank that post CCubbage, seeing as you have an MM Pick, I expect you'll do the same to me, us being brothers in the society and all. Same time next week for the secret meeting I take it?? http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/3/24/beaf4680-43a6-43de-9346-5fa2ab597f81.gif

2012-01-10 20:20:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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OOops I thanked them both! Oh Noes! What does that mean!?!?

2012-01-10 20:27:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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If anyone wants my Mm pick they are welcome to it, along with all the personal insults, spam comments and general questioning of Mm's judgement in even picking the level to begin with. Personally I was much happier when the only people playing it were LBPC forum members and when the idiots who post comments such as "vs", "la" and "hhgfrtttyi''ll" were blissfully ignorant of my existence. There really should be a pin for getting 500 "YOU SUCK"s. Or at least a nomination for The Suckies. and in the name of goodwill and fairness I'm not thanking any of you.

2012-01-10 20:35:00 Author: julesyjules Posts: 1156

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OOops I thanked them both! Oh Noes! What does that mean!?!? We shall discuss it next week, see what we can do, welcome brother, prepare for your initiation. Your bringing the gimp suit, virgins blood, and Oreo's I take it? There really should be a pin for getting 500 "YOU SUCK"s. Or at least a nomination for The Suckies. There can be only one winner there Jules, no need for nominations

2012-01-10 20:39:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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Seeing as you can't be bothered publishing anything lately, then yeh, there's not much competition this year. I dunno what the solution is. Combining a filter with sites/competitions would be great, but it sounds like potentially a lot of faff to get off the ground and running. Really, it's all about getting decent levels exposure to the non lbp.me crowd, if you're signed up to a few sites and lbp.me there's really no reason to not find a ton of great stuff should you want to. (Top Tip - Just go heart L1ghtmare, AlleyCat and MrMik, those guys are really active in hunting down and playing a ton of great levels between them) The Highest Rated filter is a pretty good source of decent undiscovered levels and isn't so reliant on known creators or cool page spammers, but it tends to stagnate unfortunately. I think what I'd do is bring up the 'Highest Rated' up alongside Cools and Picks in-game, and then force players into the genre filter from there (Platformers, Racing, Cinematic etc etc), to encourage players to use it more. It'd expose a lot of older great levels and great new ones stand a fair chance of getting looked at.

2012-01-10 20:43:00 Author: julesyjules Posts: 1156

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If Twitter is going to remain the main format for looking at level suggestions, then simply play them in order. It looks really bad, and does nothing to help stifling conspirators theories when so many are passed over all the time. Go in the order they were received. That would help so much with all the complaints being leveled at MM Picks right now. I know some of you are saying, Spaff should be allowed to skip ahead and play any level he wants. I disagree. As someone who gives awards for levels, that is about the worst thing he could do to promote the idea of fairness. If he wants to play those levels, he can easily play on another account, and put it on his list to Pick when it officially comes up in the queue. Here's another hypothesis: maybe Spaff browses all the lbp.me links from twitter but only queues up the ones that look promising enough to be a Mm Pick. My two cents: it's an Mm Pick, so Mm should be free to pick them in whatever way they feel is best. Maybe the inordinate amount of plays Mm Picks get is a problem, but I'd rather see them move Mm Picks out of the main menu to solve that.

2012-01-10 20:52:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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Awww! That's so nice of you, Gruntos and Julesy! I will vote for you in return next year.

2012-01-10 20:53:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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Lol *facepalm... Mm picked creators are "thanked" the most in this thread by other Mm picked creators in their posts about how silly the idea of elitism is. Now that is truly hilarious! You cannot claim a causality like that unless you present statistics that show that throughout this entire website MMPicked creators only thank other MMPicked creators. And even then it is a far stretch to conclude that that is evidence of anything particular. Maybe those people share another trait that makes them thankworthy. Not just you five but all of us could discuss this in a separate thread. I agree with that there could be a better system in place to highlight good creations and good creators. What that system could be and to what end (let's agree that fame is not it) is greatly topic-worthy, IMO. *sigh*, every interesting thread I read these days always end in arguments of elitism or some MM nonsense. I consider myself an elite creator and nobody thanks my post--hehe jk I think I'm starting to understand now... I don't say these things "taking the game so seriously" I say them because of the extreme amount of coincidences that just so happen to work out in a humorous favor. Do I actually think that all the Mm picks collaborate together to control the Mm picks and thanks system here? No. It is just a funny notable fact. The system has gotten to a point of humorous predictability of who will get spotlighted, Mm picked etc. It's not any kind of conspiracy but a trend that anyone can follow to (with quite accuracy) predict which creators are given such exposure. The fact that most of the time those with Royalty or Mm picks win contests, those have all of their levels spotlighted and continue to get more before other get even one and same with Mm picks. I find it truly baffling that no one considers these trends or thinks they have any significance when they happen more than not. Especially considering that whole thing about the past 7 Mm picks have been on people with them already. Mm, LBPC and other sites openly encourage striving for achievements. I mean where do the Mm picks, spotlights, and contests come from hmmmm? The same people that have achieved such things and those who work to make them a possibility are also the ones who say "it's just a game and play it for fun without worrying about achieving the things that we give out and/or already have" O_o Hmm RTM you and other Mm picked creators get to go help Taraiser with LBP Vita? Sounds like a pretty nice perk to me to come of "fame" in LBP. As an "outsider" of one that wants to collect these pins and spotlights to get a feeling of satisfaction & achievement from the game, it isn't very hopeful when the attention is constantly being focused on the same people, THEN on top of that having everyone else say "Oh no just play for fun" just only makes me want to try harder to beat the trend. It is RARE for someone else outside of Mm picks and those with royalty to get anything else, therefor more of a challenge to get just one of those many, many achievements. I don't necessarily want a Mm pick or a gajillion hearts, but one of these cool pins, specifically Awesomesauce... Now does a Mm pick give more plays than having a Crowned contest winning level that is also spotlighted? Usually, yes. A lot more. If we had other filters that both spread the attention of plays like the Mm picks do but also spread it out between categories, genres or external promotion ie. spotlights crown contests, we'd have something great. Lets all see if the Sackies yield any surprising results shall we? Lets see how many of those picked for the Sackies DON'T have a MM pick, rare pin or spotlight. How much is it going to take guys? When someone gets 15 Mm picks? 15 spotlights or wins 5 contests after they have royalty? When will you guys see that there is an obvious focus on the priority of specific creators?

2012-01-10 21:08:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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...As an "outsider" of one that wants to collect these pins and spotlights to get a feeling of satisfaction & achievement from the game... Here's food for thought: that pink ribbon isn't likely to relieve any dissatisfaction you have with the game or the community. You can probably achieve everything you're looking for by interacting with the community and making friends in the game. That's a *******load better than getting any secret pin or ribbon. We shall discuss it next week, see what we can do, welcome brother, prepare for your initiation. Your bringing the gimp suit, virgins blood, and Oreo's I take it? Don't forget the pasties and cream cheese for Spaff's lap dance. Anyway, the horse appears to be long dead and decomposed....( where's the 'Unsubscribe' button?? )

2012-01-10 21:37:00 Author: Chazprime Posts: 587

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Calmed down and removed, whats the point???????

2012-01-10 22:00:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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When will you guys see that there is an obvious focus on the priority of specific creators? I am not going to tell you not to take LBP seriously or that its "just a game", because I take it seriously and its a special game to me. Its an investment of time I could be spending elsewhere. Its not that I disagree with you, or that I am taking any sides, but I just dont see the point in this argument anymore--not here at least. I mean Cymbol made good points and suggestions, and you also have some valid points and suggestions, but at the end of the day, saying them here, changes nothing. It can only realistically effect our emotions and make us angrier; what good does that do? Now if you guys really feel that strongly about changing the community, tweet MM, send them messages, I dont know, raise an anarchy for all I care. But this just isnt the place to do it. A lot of people ask for change, but few really take the measures necessarily to make that happen. So what you are left with is..well this; Turning a humorous thread , into a pointless one, Or making unproven claims that can only realistically upset someone else, because I know a lot of the MM picked creators are honest ones. Then theres Spaff and crew--the guy has another job, and we should be happy MM is even looking at the game anymore or holding sackies awards, contest, I dunno. Its interaction with the community and in turn keeping LBP alive in a way--in a way. If people want MM picks, then go out and take it. MM will play my game, because I will be active in the community and hunt them down to the ends of the earth lol jk Im just saying, yea things could be better, but not everyone thinks the same way, as I for one am having fun regardless of whats getting MM picked or spotlighted--thats just me though. Change takes action, not suggestions. Not saying suggestions are wrong, but they dont get anything done. If you want things to change, you have to do more than come to the forums and argue about it. Popular creators can link to unpopular creators levels, like Lecklack does or some of the other guys--if they feel that strongly, idk something. I just dont see the point in arguing and pointing fingers, when that same energy can be spent changing the things. I think anything can be done if we set our minds to it. If not, then just make suggestions without being offensive to others, regardless of how popular or unpopular they are. LBP should be fun, so go play it! Sry for the long post, and typoz most likely.

2012-01-10 22:08:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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Hmm RTM you and other Mm picked creators get to go help Taraiser with LBP Vita? Sounds like a pretty nice perk to me to come of "fame" in LBP. Not really a perk, it's work..and those folks are probably shackled to their cubicles now. I'd imagine Tarsier advertised positions they needed to fill that anyone willing to pack up and move to Sweden could have applied for... Having levels would certainly help if applying for a position of level designer, but I doubt them being MM picks mattered much in the long run. Certainly not in rtm's case, since I believe he's a programmer and would have had to pass a programming test to be considered for the position. Not surprising that outgoing, helpful, intelligent, and visible members of the LBP community land a job a Tarsier...people like that usually succeed at whatever goals they set for themselves. The Mm pick is just a reflection of this success, not the reason for it.

2012-01-10 22:16:00 Author: fullofwin Posts: 1214

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The system has gotten to a point of humorous predictability of who will get spotlighted, Mm picked etc. It's not any kind of conspiracy but a trend that anyone can follow to (with quite accuracy) predict which creators are given such exposure. The fact that most of the time those with Royalty or Mm picks win contests, those have all of their levels spotlighted and continue to get more before other get even one and same with Mm picks. I find it truly baffling that no one considers these trends or thinks they have any significance when they happen more than not. You can quite accurately predict who will win the grand slams in men's tennis, but it doesn't mean the tournaments or judges are biased, or that the top players are keeping each other at the top and shutting out the rest. It's simply because they're that good. The same people that have achieved such things and those who work to make them a possibility are also the ones who say "it's just a game and play it for fun without worrying about achieving the things that we give out and/or already have" Then maybe you'll listen to me, as a non-famous person who has never won anything, when I say it: it's just a hobby, you're supposed to enjoy it. By all means, give it your best shot, and take pride in your creations, and if you happen to win some pin, great! But if you don't win, don't let it spoil your fun or the fun of others.

2012-01-10 22:51:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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If anyone wants my Mm pick they are welcome to it, along with all the personal insults, spam comments and general questioning of Mm's judgement in even picking the level to begin with. Personally I was much happier when the only people playing it were LBPC forum members and when the idiots who post comments such as "vs", "la" and "hhgfrtttyi''ll" were blissfully ignorant of my existence. I'll take it. Just send it to CYMBOL. All caps. I have people who PM personal insults, leave rude comments and spam boo all positive reviews on my levels. Might as well have an MM Pick to go with it. Or, you can just do what I do. Ignore it all and go about your merry day. Works for me.

2012-01-10 23:30:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Eh, some good points here and I admire the patience in the responses. Not surprising that outgoing, helpful, intelligent, and visible members of the LBP community land a job a Tarsier...people like that usually succeed at whatever goals they set for themselves. That is what I try to be with such community vigilance Elvenbane, and exactly why I put so much effort into not only my levels, but responding to every last play or review request as well. I've been all around this community and seen a lot of stuff. That's why I have almost as many hearted creators as hearts. I love the idea of having such a vast community within my own page. I love the idea of indirectly giving others the pins as much as I love trying to get them. If anyone was to see my activity... instead of just disagreeing with every thing I say here, you would see that I do play the game quite a bit and make a positive impact.. or at least try. If I could do more to help other creators I would and if there was anything that proved effective I could do to get recognition on my own creations, I would too. I want to be the epitome of play, create & share, or at least one of many, but that's not what matters in LBP, Mm and our community. It's entirely based on creation and even more so.. Mm picks. :/

2012-01-11 02:22:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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Hmm RTM you and other Mm picked creators get to go help Taraiser with LBP Vita? Sounds like a pretty nice perk to me to come of "fame" in LBP. Hey, I'm working at Tarsier now and I never got an Mm pick in retail I did something called a job application

2012-01-11 11:26:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114

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Hey, I'm working at Tarsier now and I never got an Mm pick in retail Don't worry everyone, Asbestos101 has now been removed from his position at Tarsier Studios AB, as it has been realised he is not "elite" enough. He's being escorted from the building by security as we speak and will shortly be deported. Balance is restored.

2012-01-11 15:00:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Don't worry everyone, Asbestos101 has now been removed from his position at Tarsier Studios AB, as it has been realised he is not "elite" enough. He's being escorted from the building by security as we speak and will shortly be deported. Balance is restored. You know... I woke up this morning and thought there was a new harmony in the world. As if the sky had been washed by fragrant flowers, possibly purple flowers. All floating down from the heavens, rinsing away all the despair and leaving the earth almost squeaky clean. Really quite tranquil. Oh wait.. it's just raining. Never mind.

2012-01-11 16:12:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Don't worry everyone, Asbestos101 has now been removed from his position at Tarsier Studios AB, as it has been realised he is not "elite" enough. He's being escorted from the building by security as we speak and will shortly be deported. Balance is restored. Oh man, you fell right into our trap! He is part of the Occupy LBP movement. He was sent to infiltrate the top 1% of elite creators and gain the secrets to limitless MM Picks! Now that he has the info, you are letting him walk straight out the front door. Priceless! We are the 99%!!!

2012-01-11 16:16:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Don't worry everyone, Asbestos101 has now been removed from his position at Tarsier Studios AB, as it has been realised he is not "elite" enough. He's being escorted from the building by security as we speak and will shortly be deported. Balance is restored. I find this little joke a bit underhanded and mean considering it is very similar to an event involving someone else that was kicked off your little team. To joke that every employee of Taraiser is a Mm pick? You guys are so ridiculous -_-

2012-01-11 16:21:00 Author: Dortr Posts: 548

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What the hell, Dortr... Chill out! What happened at Tarsier?

2012-01-11 16:28:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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Oh man, you fell right into our trap! He is part of the Occupy LBP movement. He was sent to infiltrate the top 1% of elite creators and gain the secrets to limitless MM Picks! Now that he has the info, you are letting him walk straight out the front door. Priceless! We are the 99%!!! I'll swing by the HQ tomorrow, you guys wouldn't believe what i've managed to learn! :U

2012-01-11 17:25:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114

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I'll swing by the HQ tomorrow, you guys wouldn't believe what i've managed to learn! :U I never doubted you for a second. The application was a complete sham. "Do you have 2 or more MM Picks, circle yes or no". Circling yes was a strokes of genius. Brilliant! All that is left is to decide which level of mine I want MM Picked first. MWHAHAHAHA! See you on the dark side of the creator moon.

2012-01-11 17:56:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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I find this little joke a bit underhanded and mean considering it is very similar to an event involving someone else that was kicked off your little team. To joke that every employee of Taraiser is a Mm pick? You guys are so ridiculous -_- Unless that person himself takes offense to this joke (I don't think he will), please don't stir this up on a public discussion board. He himself has shown exemplary behavior and restraint IMO given his feelings about whatever it is that exactly happened there; he did not want to discuss it in public and I think it is accurate to say he wouldn't want us to speculate about it either. I think he does appreciate, though, that you stand up for him. But let it rest.

2012-01-11 18:24:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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What happened at Tarsier? They employed rtm223, it went downhill from there I hear.

2012-01-11 18:37:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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They employed rtm223, it went downhill from there I hear. Well, what did they expect? A year later and he still hasn't completed his penguin snowball demo. Oh yeah, I went there.

2012-01-11 19:19:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Well, what did they expect? A year later and he still hasn't completed his penguin snowball demo. Slanderous!! It's a demo - it's not meant to be fully functional. The demo is completely finished.

2012-01-11 19:56:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Slanderous!! It's a demo - it's not meant to be fully functional. The demo is completely finished. A demo is meant to be a precursor to the fully functional version. Don't try to weasel your way out this.

2012-01-11 20:20:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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A demo is meant to be a precursor to the fully functional version. Don't try to weasel your way out this. True, but in rtm's case, he builds pieces of things and expects others to draw inspiration and create finished products. So yes, the penguin level is not a finished product, but that's only because the rest of the community is lazy... ...ummm....

2012-01-11 20:41:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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True, but in rtm's case, he builds pieces of things and expects others to draw inspiration and create finished products. So yes, the penguin level is not a finished product, but that's only because the rest of the community is lazy... ...ummm.... Ah, a true pioneer.

2012-01-11 21:07:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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http://t.qkme.me/35oz8e.jpg

2012-01-11 23:37:00 Author: IronSkullKid99 Posts: 515

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I got my Mm pick from a golden ticket in a Milly Molecule chocolate bar, dunno about you guys. I think the strangest thing was the tour of Mm Towers, those Spaffa-Llaffas give me the creeps.

2012-01-13 11:17:00 Author: Breezy-The-Pro Posts: 134

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I've written a response to this thread multiple times now. I wrote many thousands of words. But none of it is coherent enough to post as is. I'll let you have a massively shortened version. 1. There is no conspiracy, but the fact that you think there is feeds back into the failings of me to spend enough time with the community, and the way the game is designed. So: 2. This year is all change, and you will get some better, deeper, harder, faster, stronger, technologic community management, i know that I don't have enough time to run things the way they need to be run, i will fix this. 3. We have made some changes to the game i think will help with numerous things, they are only the start, they will evolve further coming in update 1.12 (probably that one anyways) - You can choose to disable commenting on a level, or all your levels - You can no longer Boo a level, nor see a level's Boo rating Probably Coming later, or maybe at the same time, maybe. - Disable comments on your profile - Disable reviews on one or all levels - Remove Boo ratings from reviews, from everywhere! 4. Sorry!

2012-01-13 14:45:00 Author: Spaff_Molecule Posts: 421

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Thank you very much for responding.

2012-01-13 15:02:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Thanks for the info Spaff. It's lovely to hear you guys are still trying to change/add things for the better of all of us~ *mew

2012-01-13 15:17:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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3. ... - You can no longer Boo a level, nor see a level's Boo rating ... - Remove Boo ratings from reviews, from everywhere! This ! Thanks for informations. It would be really nice if you could tell us if MM is planning to change the search options (infamous cool section, adding winner of the contest section ...).

2012-01-13 15:19:00 Author: goranilic Posts: 332

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4. Sorry! SPAFF!! Not a thing to be sorry about! ...you can't help the way some have behaved and twisted the use of the available tools. ..but thanks for all the new goodies coming! I was hoping you could simply disable certain psn's from commenting rather than shutting off the whole thing, but no worries. We appreciate any help we can get. Thanks again and Happy Friday!

2012-01-13 15:27:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Good stuff. Removing boos is probably a good thing. However, despite how negative they can be to creators who put a lot of effort into their work, they're good against people who plagarise other people's stuff, who claim someone else's work as their own. These people can then remove comments from their levels, so people would be non the wiser, and probably give credit when it is not deserved. Tentative subject me thinks.

2012-01-13 15:33:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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However, despite how negative they can be to creators who put a lot of effort into their work, they're good against people who plagarise other people's stuff, who claim someone else's work as their own. These people can then remove comments from their levels, so people would be non the wiser, and probably give credit when it is not deserved. So the only way to be sure you aren't playing a plagiarized level is to stick with the Mm picks! Removing the boo option is all part of the conspiracy!!! Thanks Spaff for being brave enough to post in this looney thread, and thanks for sharing that changes are in the pipe!

2012-01-13 16:08:00 Author: fullofwin Posts: 1214

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So the only way to be sure you aren't playing a plagiarized level is to stick with the Mm picks! Removing the boo option is all part of the conspiracy!!! Thanks Spaff for being brave enough to post in this looney thread, and thanks for sharing that changes are in the pipe! But.... how would MM know whether a level is plagiarised? They may even pick a plagiarised level!

2012-01-13 16:11:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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But.... how would MM know whether a level is plagiarised? They may even pick a plagiarised level! Upon accusation of plagirisim, they could look at publish dates on their server. Would be but a brief detour if it desperately needed clearing up

2012-01-13 16:16:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114

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I was hoping you could simply disable certain psn's from commenting rather than shutting off the whole thing Maybe this level of filtration will come one day, but for now at least if you find your level is 'under attack' you can disable comments until the trolls have given up and gone home, then turn them back on, etc. it's a bit more like youtube's system i guess

2012-01-13 16:18:00 Author: Spaff_Molecule Posts: 421

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That's awesome Spaff! Boos do seem to cause a lot of friction between players, especially when the 'booer' does not leave any feedback in a comment or review. Image seems appropriate but is big so I put into a spoiler. http://spitfire.mosaicglobe.com/gallery/19131/full/BooNo23.jpg

2012-01-13 16:29:00 Author: Jedi_1993 Posts: 1518

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Good stuff. Removing boos is probably a good thing. However, despite how negative they can be to creators who put a lot of effort into their work, they're good against people who plagarise other people's stuff, who claim someone else's work as their own. These people can then remove comments from their levels, so people would be non the wiser, and probably give credit when it is not deserved. Tentative subject me thinks. youre right, Boos do have a use, that's why we put them in there, but after careful thought and seeing them in action, i think they do more harm than good. Not rating something at all will be the new Boo, but its less in your face, way less heartbreaking, and not as obvious to abuse for griefing.

2012-01-13 16:31:00 Author: Spaff_Molecule Posts: 421

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Maybe this level of filtration will come one day, but for now at least if you find your level is 'under attack' you can disable comments until the trolls have given up and gone home, then turn them back on, etc. it's a bit more like youtube's system i guess That's probably a good idea. Turning off comments for your levels completely may not be beneficial - because honest players might actually want to inform you of any bugs, or improvements you could make. Anyway, I don't have to worry too much about comments since I hardly get any plays. (Hint: play my levels ) EDIT: @spaff I do agree with that aspect..... even if some levels are so God awful they DESERVE to be booed. (I'm looking at you - musicbots etc)

2012-01-13 16:31:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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youre right, Boos do have a use, that's why we put them in there, but after careful thought and seeing them in action, i think they do more harm than good. Not rating something at all will be the new Boo, but its less in your face, way less heartbreaking, and not as obvious to abuse for griefing. I agree boos did have a use until some people started abusing the system. Not rating does seem to be less confrontational and less ammo for trolls. If you don't like a level just don't rate it.

2012-01-13 16:39:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458

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Personally, my biggest issue is the waterfall exploit in Cool Pages. One guy had 8 levels on page 1 the other day, just using copied levels. Now he is doing two PSNs at once to take over more spots. I don't care if a person gets on Cool Pages with a copies level, but when the spam them, and take away spots from legitimately good levels, it hurts the game. It hurts the spirit of the community and gives people the impression that there is "nothing good to play". No one needs more than one/two levels on Cool Pages at once. I'd love to see the spamming put to an end soon. I really hope this is being looked at as well. Thanks.

2012-01-13 16:53:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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I agree boos did have a use until some people started abusing the system. Not rating does seem to be less confrontational and less ammo for trolls. If you don't like a level just don't rate it. I think I've booed one level, ever.

2012-01-13 16:54:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Cymbol- you proved my point. Responsible members of the community use the boo for valid reasons and leave comments why. You do not abuse the system. Unfortunately others use it as a weapon for their own personal agendas. Taking that ammo away from them, imo, would help in restoring the positive encouragement for people to create, play and share.

2012-01-13 17:02:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458

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Spaff to the rescue! Aw man, just knowing that MM plans to do something about the community fills my heart with glee I have my doubts about removing the boo system though. Yes, trolls use it but many of the people that enjoy a level forget to yay it or just don't bother with rating. You can see that when the number of plays of a level is much, much higher than the number of yays and boos combined. How about only allowing people to boo a level when its play count is higher than 100 or something like that? That way the trolls wouldn't be able to bring down a level with boos before its popularity even kicked off. And if it turns out to be a really crappy spam level, people can still boo it later. Whatever you guys do, don't bring back the 5-star ratings. 90% of the levels just ended up with 3 stars.

2012-01-13 17:05:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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I think I've booed one level, ever. Here as well. It just seems pointless to "Boo" one knowing that you'll get flamed for it. At first, I was thinking that it was a bad idea to remove the "boo" system all together, but now after thinking about it, yeah it does do more harm than good. I played one the other day that was just horrendous, and I so wanted to "Boo" the hell out of that level. I was wishing there were two or three "Boo" buttons, but instead I left no rating and moved on. I don't know if the cool pages can be fixed. I rarely, if that often, visit those pages anyway. I will pop into trending levels and see what levels are there. Those to me seem to be the actual "cool" pages.

2012-01-13 17:11:00 Author: biorogue Posts: 8424

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Maybe this level of filtration will come one day, but for now at least if you find your level is 'under attack' you can disable comments until the trolls have given up and gone home, then turn them back on, etc. it's a bit more like youtube's system i guess Ahhh... good point. Thankfully I have never been attacked. I guess I am "mostly harmless"... lol

2012-01-13 17:18:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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- Disable comments on your profile Will your friends still be able to post things on your profile/levels?

2012-01-13 18:31:00 Author: Chazprime Posts: 587

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Here as well. It just seems pointless to "Boo" one knowing that you'll get flamed for it. At first, I was thinking that it was a bad idea to remove the "boo" system all together, but now after thinking about it, yeah it does do more harm than good. I played one the other day that was just horrendous, and I so wanted to "Boo" the hell out of that level. I was wishing there were two or three "Boo" buttons, but instead I left no rating and moved on. I don't know if the cool pages can be fixed. I rarely, if that often, visit those pages anyway. I will pop into trending levels and see what levels are there. Those to me seem to be the actual "cool" pages. Well, its not that I don't find bad levels, I just feel, "Who am I to say this isn't good enough?" Everyone has different skill sets. Maybe that was the best that person could do. Maybe they are 5 yrs old. I just don't feel I'm adding anything constructive by booing. The level I did boo was just trying to be offensive. Although, I am often tempted to boo when someone forces me through a level link from the scoreboard to play another of their levels. As for trolls, I usually don't have issues. I just delete comments and go about my day. No big deal. The only one that is a real head scratcher is people who spam boo all positive reviews. I mean, you really have to have some issues to take the time to do that. So, in general, I don't have issues with comments etc, but obviously, some folks need a way to step away. I see a lot of drama on my LBP.me activity. So, maybe its for the best for some folks.

2012-01-13 18:48:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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3. We have made some changes to the game i think will help with numerous things, they are only the start, they will evolve further coming in update 1.12 (probably that one anyways) - You can choose to disable commenting on a level, or all your levels - You can no longer Boo a level, nor see a level's Boo rating Probably one of the smarter things you guys could have done--I for one, never boo levels unless they are copies or something along the lines of plagerism. Plus, I feel creators put a lot of time into levels, and booing only pushes them further from the game. However, this does put a bit more pressure to "like" a level, as not liking a level would typically mean you "disliked" the level. Before just meant neutral--or perhaps I am just thinking to much lol. Still, I dont see how there could have been a better way otherwise. And the improvements sound great. I guess complaining here pays off after all. Only thing I am not sure about is the disabling comments...perhaps if certain users could be blocked or reported for spam and offensive content; Thats my only real suggestion to a potential problem with that.

2012-01-13 18:54:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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Hello all, I know I'm not active on this site but I am active on another LBP fansite and I know about this issue very well. I'm just happy to see that action is being taken. Also we, the community, just have to keep in mind that we need to show the love and ignore the hate because this is a game we all love and we're here to enjoy it, that's the bottom line! These are two levels made to encourage positivity in the LBP community: GreensKeepers Treehouse By DebonaireToast http://lbp.me/v/808m5d Motivational Brass Statue Garden By CSGEERIV http://lbp.me/v/1dzzg2 I also never BOO levels because I know what it's like to be able to try hard and come up with something not so great, I'm a terrible creator! But I still love LBP.

2012-01-13 20:52:00 Author: Smurfetta5683 Posts: 299

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2. This year is all change, and you will get some better, deeper, harder, faster, stronger, technologic community management, i know that I don't have enough time to run things the way they need to be run, i will fix this. http://www.urban-fabric.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/DaftPunk.jpg "We saw what you did there, Spaff."

2012-01-13 22:35:00 Author: IronSkullKid99 Posts: 515

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http://www.urban-fabric.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/DaftPunk.jpg "We saw what you did there, Spaff." Spafft Punk.

2012-01-14 01:40:00 Author: Breezy-The-Pro Posts: 134

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So...who else is waiting for Spaff to intervene like he did in he last thread? Oh I soooo called it!

2012-01-14 03:16:00 Author: comishguy67 Posts: 849

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Can we now use this thread to theorize what's going on with the forum main page? Alternatively, we can discuss who or what the Greenskeepers are. Are they a superior life form from outer space? PS: Alternatively we could just get on with it and enjoy the game.

2012-01-14 22:41:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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Can we now use this thread to theorize what's going on with the forum main page? Alternatively, we can discuss who or what the Greenskeepers are. Are they a superior life form from outer space? PS: Alternatively we could just get on with it and enjoy the game. Some guy wants to be a mod, and he decided to hack the main page if he doesn't get his way. The Greenskeepers are really the crappy level making noobs in disguise. And no one actually plays the game here. We come here to complain about the game.

2012-01-14 23:35:00 Author: Chdonga Posts: 388

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"Some Guy" seems to be called "Al Moloney" judging by google searches on the email address. Various Twitter and facebook searches didn't get me much further than that sadly. But I'm sure Mr Maloney is a really nice guy

2012-01-14 23:46:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Some guy wants to be a mod, and he decided to hack the main page if he doesn't get his way. Why not just stamp his feet and hold his breath till his face turns blue? Works for me.

2012-01-15 00:41:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Why not just stamp his feet and hold his breath till his face turns blue? Works for me. Not really... your feet get purple and then you just look funny. err funnier.

2012-01-15 01:46:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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:kz: Permission to Send 'Meany-Mail' to aosdana000@gmail.com?

2012-01-15 02:58:00 Author: IronSkullKid99 Posts: 515

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bah, I see no plans for an option to turn LBP invites from strangers off, it's a serious problem. I hope it's at least considered.

2012-01-15 13:45:00 Author: PPp_Killer Posts: 449

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Probably Coming later, or maybe at the same time, maybe. Now that's the sort of decisiveness we like to hear. Overall, this upcoming update (or 2, or 3...) sound alright. Not that I've had any of the problems many people here have listed, though I've seen them often enough. I'm curious how exactly this you will get some better, deeper, harder, faster, stronger, technologic community management, i know that I don't have enough time to run things the way they need to be run, i will fix this.is going to happen. I suppose we'll find out more with time.

2012-01-15 22:52:00 Author: SSTAGG1 Posts: 1136

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Oh Foofles, how you crack me up. http://i44.tinypic.com/wb55hw.jpg P.s. The cake was delicious, and most definitely the truth.

2012-01-16 09:48:00 Author: Weretigr Posts: 2105

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It just keeps getting funnier! Sorry, entirely bored by all the drama this has stirred. I think 99% of the community is blissfully unaware of any of this, but somehow a couple people arguing on their profiles has turned into getting rid of boos and comments and level locking... Never once have I felt like LBP was only a kids game. But recently, I'm feeling like I'm just a tad too old for all this. Hope it all stops soon.

2012-01-16 14:16:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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http://i44.tinypic.com/wb55hw.jpg I'm confused. why is my avatar on that pic? *mew

2012-01-16 16:35:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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I'm confused. why is my avatar on that pic? *mew Maybe the site used some random picture from the thread's page to associate with the link.

2012-01-16 16:45:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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I'm confused. why is my avatar on that pic? *mew :kz: This make you feel better? http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd333/Sonic402183/Photoshoplawl.jpg

2012-01-16 21:22:00 Author: IronSkullKid99 Posts: 515

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