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Why do people not know how to speak/write anymore? (Please read first post)

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I'm not an English teacher, but I'm pretty sure all of us here know how to spell 'cat' without a 'k'. I know, it's the internet we're talking about here, and it's full of fantastically misspelled stuff and...stuff, but really? It's not hard. I'm not referring to younger users or people who deliberately misspell words to sound funny (LOLcatz, for example), but people you know are 12 years of age or older. I don't want or mean to sound like a stuck-up know-it-all, but I honestly think we should know this by know. Education is there for a reason. Yes, it's painful and boring, but it's worth it. Like sour gummy bears. That was a bad example, but you get it.
I might add that I am also including the physical world. It's starting to influence some people. There are many times when I see/hear people using that sort of speech when it really isn't necessary. No, I'm not talking about when people are trying to be funny (again), but when people resort to 'text talk' to replace words or phrases they just don't know. It's a bit annoying in my opinion. To others, it may seem like something completely insignificant and easy to ignore, but to some it isn't. It's like how some people are afraid of spiders, and others are not. I completely respect your opinion, and I kindly ask that you respect everyone elses'. I don't want to start a fuss, m'kay? (DON'T correct that -___-)
I'm not saying people HAVE to speak right, I'm just saying/wondering why it annoys me. I don't go around slapping people who say "Oh emm gee! I like, totally gotz this nice car thingy!" It's just something I don't particularly like.
I'm talking about sentences like this (this is a real example by the way);
Dont put this in this u put it in this not this cause if u put it in this well this is wrong
This was a response to a video demonstration on how to set up a capture card.
P.S.- If I myself had made any grammatical errors, please don't use it against me. I do fail...A LOT...and we all make mistakes. I would not like to be owned in such a way.
EDIT: To avoid possible whaling of my face, I would like to point out that I am a total grammar freak, and grind my teeth whenever I see someone spelling their whole essay wrong (with little hearts and smiley faces above each 'i&apos. I am not pointing at the people who have English as a second language, younger users (again), people who purposely misspell to be comedic (again), or those with reading or learning disabilities. Just the people you would normally expect to know English.
I have probably made another grammatical error, and I will probably get owned for it. Again. So before any of you careful readers out there hand my butt to me on a silver platter, just think;
Do you like whales? It's an important question.
EDIT AGAIN: I thank everyone for their comments. It has helped me, and probably others, to understand some...stuff. Of course, we all still have our individual perspective of things, and there's no "answer" to any of this (I swore I put that in before. I guess it got deleted?). This is all basically a big case of "to-may-to, to-mah-to, po-tay-to, po-tah-to". Which is correct? No one knows, no one cares. Yes, I do enjoy similes.
P.S.S.- Please don't start trying to perfect your grammar mistakes frantically after you read this thread. I don't want to force change in anyone 		2011-12-18 22:32:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I'm pretty sure all of us here know how to spell 'cat' without a 'k'.

I know how to spell it with a k.

Katze		2011-12-18 22:48:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Yesterday I said something like that to someone who said "sorry for my bad English", while he was typing words with shortcuts (kinda lik this u r kool)
I mean, I can understand if English isn't your first language that you'dd make more mistakes, but using SMS language is not appropriate, even if you say "sorry for the SMS" before ! Does saying "sorry I will ruin your day" before insulting someone make you free of guilt ? NOPE ! Funny thing is, the person I said this to yesterday is English speaker, while my first (and daily language) is French. 		2011-12-19 02:33:00

Author:
Unknown User

Wii typ bad cuz we r 2 kool 4 de grammrz

I seriously do not know. It's as if everything is de-evolving except technology.		2011-12-19 02:36:00

Author:
49er Nation
Posts: 429

What are you talking about? us talk english Good. The best excuse I could think of is that, being the internet, people don't worry about filtering what they type from what materializes in their heads. I know some things, like spelling Cat correctly, should automatically be second nature for some, but when it comes to these comments, who is really going to worry about proofreading? I'm not saying you're wrong by the way (notice the correct use of "you're", and period placement). 2011-12-19 03:50:00

Author:
xxMATEOSxx
Posts: 1787

I do fail...ALOT...and we all make mistakes. Ahem... "ALOT" is actually spelled A LOT, FYI 2011-12-19 04:30:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

who is really going to worry about proofreading?
I proof read all of my comments

I'm a stickler when it comes to anything I write. Not in the sense that I follow all grammatical rules and use perfect punctuation, I break their rules constantly, but I always try to make my posts easy to understand and flow properly. If I don't know how to spell a word I'll find out, if I can't think of the right word for a situation I'll refer to a thesaurus and find something more fitting, sometimes this can cause me to take 30min to write up a simple reply. I think I'm like this because I've never been particularly good at putting my thoughts into words, or at least I don't feel as if I am, so I guess it's almost out of a subtle frustration I have.

Anyway, if it's not already obviously I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. I cannot stand posts that are littered with spelling mistakes, lacking proper paragraphs and/or punctuation or simply don't flow in such a way to make any sense as per the OP's example. I won't even bother to read such posts, however, these gripes are only to a certain extent. Mistakes will be made, it's inevitable, commonly by those whose first language is not English. And that's fine, I can quite easily read through the errors to what they are trying to say.

LBPC seems to have a pretty high standard, despite being melting pot of nationalities 		2011-12-19 05:30:00

Author:
SR20DETDOG
Posts: 2431

I don't want or mean to sound like a stuck-up know-it-al.
May wanna try harder then.

But seriously, I actually find it more annoying that people actually have a serious problem with this sort of stuff.
Most of these are such unimportant things, that people can just simply let it go, ignore it, but instead they seek to go and MAKE IT a problem.

Look, I like a well composed text as much as many, but also have learned that there may be many reasons why people do that, maybe because their mind is just floating away while they're typing it, maybe they were half asleep, maybe they're doing it on purpose to annoy people, etc.

But really, the only thing to do in this case is either ignore it, or ask the person to repeat themselves, in a non insulting way.
If the person keeps going as it is, you know its time to respectfully drop it, keep going.

Not to mention they probably can't help it either for whatever reason, whether its they've been incredibly miss educated for personal choice, or because they have a learning disability such as dyslexia, in which case they REALLY can't help it, and you're basically making fun of them for their disability.

In short, you gotta remember, there are millions of people out there using the internet, many with problems and situations of their own that make it so that for whatever reason, they can't act perfectly, and if you're gonna overreact to everyone that its not perfect, SPECIALLY over the internet, you're gonna have a really bad time more often than not.

Yes I know, there are some people that are just plain dumb, wannabe hipsters, or just idiots that do it of their own choice, but really, there's no real way to tell them apart from those who can't help it a lot of the times, so its best to treat most, as IF they couldn't help it, and move on, instead of getting mad for no reason.


tl;dr: read my title.		2011-12-19 06:00:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I know how to spell it with a k.

Katze

^Lol. My friend and I used to write "Ich esse Die Katze." on tests and things when we didn't know the answer to something. Our German teacher did not approve.

Back on topic, I agree with the OP and am myself like SR20DETDOG to an extent. I proofread everything I write multiple times, which also causes me to take forever to write anything. Though, I don't think it has anything to do with not being able to put thoughts into words, I just value spelling and grammar I guess.


...being the internet, people don't worry about filtering what they type from what materializes in their heads....

Apparently people who use 'lol' and 'omg' and various other bits of text speak in real life conversations have a problem filtering what materializes in their heads too.


...In short, you gotta remember, there are millions of people out there using the internet, many with problems and situations of their own that make it so that for whatever reason, they can't act perfectly, and if you're gonna overreact to everyone that its not perfect, SPECIALLY over the internet, you're gonna have a really bad time more often than not....
Sort of jumping to extremes there, don't you think? No one is expecting people to "act perfectly" and no one is making fun of any body. We are certainly not targeting people with disabilities. We're simply expressing our displeasure with the general decline in intelligence. It's not like any of us are starting hate crimes against people with bad spelling/grammar.

Slightly OT: I think the internet as a whole is actually making society at large dumber. Any time you need to know something you can just hop on Google and look it up. People now subconsciously know they don't have to remember anything because it's all there for them on the internet when ever they need it, thus the need to actually learn something is nonexistent.		2011-12-19 06:41:00

Author:
Ninja_Gnome23
Posts: 198

I think that is an amount of things.
One is...to give themselves a pose, because that kind of language makes you a cool internet guy, just like knowing all the memes and stuff like that.		2011-12-19 06:49:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

May wanna try harder then.

But seriously, I actually find it more annoying that people actually have a serious problem with this sort of stuff.
Most of these are such unimportant things, that people can just simply let it go, ignore it, but instead they seek to go and MAKE IT a problem.

I don't think anyone has a serious problem with it, more they just find it frustrating. Kind of like forgetting to buy something in the groceries, it's no big deal, but it's still a bit frustrating.

Look...

Yes there's numerous reasons as to why people's writing isn't great, and maybe we'll have to agree to disagree here, but more often than not I find it quite easy to discern those who genuinely have difficulty for whatever reason (including such things as wandering minds) and those who just post illegible crap.

tl;dr: read my title.
I think 99% of the time people do, I haven't seen Sackpapoi shoving it down anyone's throat yet. Maybe I'm wrong but I took the OP as more mere musing than a proper complaint thread.

EDIT: I should probably add that I'm only really referring to this community, outside's a different story, Youtube for example *shudders* The flak you'll get for a simple typo there is crazy.		2011-12-19 07:02:00

Author:
SR20DETDOG
Posts: 2431

Fair enough to SRDGF20KBHSWDJASB () and Ninja Gnome, both valid points indeed.

I suppose it all really depends how one sees the situation and make a judgment call on whether its just an idiot or a foreigner/ person with a disability, or simply someone trying to make a joke.
(Or a bit of 2, 3 even all 4 of them.)		2011-12-19 08:00:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Ahem... "ALOT" is actually spelled A LOT, FYI

P.S.- If I myself had made any grammatical errors, please don't use it against me. I do fail...ALOT...and we all make mistakes. I would not like to be owned in such a way.
.__________.
Do you like whales?		2011-12-19 10:16:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

May wanna try harder then.

But seriously, I actually find it more annoying that people actually have a serious problem with this sort of stuff.
Most of these are such unimportant things, that people can just simply let it go, ignore it, but instead they seek to go and MAKE IT a problem.

Look, I like a well composed text as much as many, but also have learned that there may be many reasons why people do that, maybe because their mind is just floating away while they're typing it, maybe they were half asleep, maybe they're doing it on purpose to annoy people, etc.

But really, the only thing to do in this case is either ignore it, or ask the person to repeat themselves, in a non insulting way.
If the person keeps going as it is, you know its time to respectfully drop it, keep going.

Not to mention they probably can't help it either for whatever reason, whether its they've been incredibly miss educated for personal choice, or because they have a learning disability such as dyslexia, in which case they REALLY can't help it, and you're basically making fun of them for their disability.

In short, you gotta remember, there are millions of people out there using the internet, many with problems and situations of their own that make it so that for whatever reason, they can't act perfectly, and if you're gonna overreact to everyone that its not perfect, SPECIALLY over the internet, you're gonna have a really bad time more often than not.

Yes I know, there are some people that are just plain dumb, wannabe hipsters, or just idiots that do it of their own choice, but really, there's no real way to tell them apart from those who can't help it a lot of the times, so its best to treat most, as IF they couldn't help it, and move on, instead of getting mad for no reason.


tl;dr: read my title.
Yes, again, I am referring to the people that are normally expected to know English. As in people who lived in an English-speaking country their whole lives. No, I'm not making fun of them or overreacting, I'm just asking why some people who should know it choose not to. Even in school or in public places I see people using text talk in things such as conversation or hand-written things. Text talk was originally used to save space in a message due to limit of characters, not a replacement for something you don't know how to spell. I was trying to be specific, but I guess I wasn't specific enough. Sorry 'bout that.
But I'm not saying we all have to be perfect at spelling. It's just something that would be very useful to most people. Language is a very important thing, and we shouldn't mangle it when we don't need to. On the internet, that' probably fine. But in person? No. It just takes the professional feeling out of everything.
I am aware that there are individuals out there with dialogue complications, and I forgot to mention them. I would never say that about them, because they REALLY can't help it. I'm talking about people who just choose to go around saying 'loz niec daa outcied wana play ok lez go'.
But yes, I guess I should just leave people to their business. Grammar mistakes aren't really a big deal, but when it's common in almost half of us, it starts to get me worried.
Especially when texting becomes dangerous >.>
http://regretfulmorning.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/texting.jpg
Whales. They're everywhere. They can fly.		2011-12-19 10:38:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I can think of several reasons...


some people are dylexic
some people are badly educated
some people do it as a form of trolling because they know it can annoy
some people "tink iz kewl 2 talk lyk dat"
some people are too young to know any better
some people just don't feel that good spelling/grammar is important enough to make an effort with		2011-12-19 11:09:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I can think of several reasons...


some people are dylexic
some people are badly educated
some people do it as a form of trolling because they know it can annoy
some people "tink iz kewl 2 talk lyk dat"
some people are too young to know any better
some people just don't feel that good spelling/grammar is important enough to make an effort with

I've already covered reasons 1 and 5, but yeah, you got a point.		2011-12-19 11:40:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I can think of several reasons...


some people are dylexic
some people are badly educated
some people do it as a form of trolling because they know it can annoy
some people "tink iz kewl 2 talk lyk dat"
some people are too young to know any better
some people just don't feel that good spelling/grammar is important enough to make an effort with


Intentional mistake there?

I can understand spking lyk dis if you're typing a txt msg. Because there is a limited amount of space. But in forums or on facebook etc, you have a generous amount of space, and time to type a message that doesn't make you look like a complete moron.

I mean, my only sources of facebook info are sites like 9gag and Lamebook, since I'm not even on facebook. But judging by a lot of the stuff on there, the education system is failing horribly.

I'd be interested to hear from speakers of other languages, if they're noticing the same sorts of trends in their native tongue..... or is it just the English speaking countries?		2011-12-19 11:40:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

It's one of my pet hates, but I've been noticing it less lately. I sometimes, use it for very, very short posts (i.e. Facebook chat, and that's about it, and even then I'm iffy on it), but it seems some people really think it's the way we should be speaking over the Internet etc. Very annoying.2011-12-19 11:42:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

I can understand spking lyk dis if you're typing a txt msg. Because there is a limited amount of space. But in forums or on facebook etc, you have a generous amount of space, and time to type a message that doesn't make you look like a complete moron.
Exactly what I mean. There are opportunities out there to sound smart, but some people out there just like talking like LOLcatz. I understand it's fun, but when you need to talk turkey, it isn't the time to start LOLing and KYSing. If you have an extremely small space to write (such as a YT comment), then you can type like that. Because you can. But, I'm not stopping anyone. It's their choice. It does make me laugh sometimes 		2011-12-19 11:52:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Intentional mistake there?

No...I'm actually dylexic. 		2011-12-19 12:03:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Back when I was admin in an Italian manga forum (I still am but shhht...) people started to swap the double c like in "occupy" with a single k...example "okupy" so I made a banner on top of the forums putting the k in a forbid sign and these line of text.
"I'm Italian, I'm not stupid, I know and love my language, so I won't post msg style text"
I'll post the banner if I find it again.		2011-12-19 12:10:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Back when I was admin in an Italian manga forum (I still am but shhht...) people started to swap the double c like in "occupy" with a single k...example "okupy" so I made a banner on top of the forums putting the k in a forbid sign and these line of text.
"I'm Italian, I'm not stupid, I know and love my language, so I won't post msg style text"
I'll post the banner if I find it again.
So the letter 'k' was banned in any word it didn't belong in?

I know how to spell it with a k.

Katze
The following letter [k] is banned. Go home.		2011-12-19 12:15:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

So the letter 'k' was banned in any word it didn't belong in?



Yeah
I mean, I'm not annoyed by the message styled text, but when people posts in forum in that way I found it disrespectful.
Maybe because I belong to the minority of not English born and it's harder for us to understand.
So, pubblically I appreciate a certain "mannerism" in speaking, jokes and puns aside (they're always welcome)		2011-12-19 12:24:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Yeah
I mean, I'm not annoyed by the message styled text, but when people posts in forum in that way I found it disrespectful.
Maybe because I belong to the minority of not English born and it's harder for us to understand.
So, pubblically I appreciate a certain "mannerism" in speaking, jokes and puns aside (they're always welcome)

I kompletely agree. It is very disrespektful. 		2011-12-19 16:25:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I kompletely agree. It is very disrespektful.

You post too much inthis thread, that means that it's either
A) Totally serious brilliant stuff
B) Pricelass crap

2011-12-19 16:54:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

B) Pricelass crap


Wouldn't that mean that it was valuable worthless stuff? .___.		2011-12-19 17:23:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I'm not an English teacher, but I'm pretty sure all of us here know how to spell 'cat' without a 'k'. I know, it's the internet we're talking about here, and it's full of fantastically misspelled stuff and...stuff, but really? It's not hard. I'm not referring to younger users or people who deliberately misspell words to sound funny (LOLcatz, for example), but people you know are 12 years of age or older. I don't want or mean to sound like a stuck-up know-it-all, but I honestly think we should know this by know. Education is there for a reason. Yes, it's painful and boring, but it's worth it. Like sour gummy bears. That was a bad example, but you get it.
I'm talking about sentences like this (this is a real example by the way);
Dont put this in this u put it in this not this cause if u put it in this well this is wrong
This was a response to a video demonstration on how to set up a capture card.
P.S.- If I myself had made any grammatical errors, please don't use it against me. I do fail...A LOT...and we all make mistakes. I would not like to be owned in such a way.
EDIT: To avoid possible whaling of my face, I would like to point out that I am a total grammar freak, and grind my teeth whenever I see someone spelling their whole essay wrong (with little hearts and smiley faces above each 'i&apos. I am not pointing at the people who have English as a second language, younger users (again), people who purposely misspell to be comedic (again), or those with reading or learning disabilities. Just the people you would normally expect to know English.
I have probably made another grammatical error, and I will probably get owned for it. Again. So before any of you careful readers out there hand my butt to me on a silver platter, just think;
Do you like whales? It's an important question.

Wall of text. >___________>		2011-12-19 17:25:00

Author:
Unknown User

Wall of text. >___________>

four bricks		2011-12-19 17:31:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Whale of text. >__________________________________________________ _____>
Lol I maded a whale.		2011-12-19 17:31:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Sackpapoi, that is terrible english...Maded! Why I never....2011-12-19 17:42:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

Sackpapoi, that is terrible english...Maded! Why I never....
I would tell you why I misspelled that, but you don't like pudding.		2011-12-19 18:17:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Wanna bet, sack?2011-12-19 18:24:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

Wanna bet, sack?
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4375/comeatmebrobm.png		2011-12-19 18:41:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Personally, i think its this advancement in technology that's making everyone more dependent, especially with such large populations,we should just go back to the good old days where we would slay each other to appease the gods.2011-12-19 19:39:00

Author:
Charlemagne
Posts: 513

I thought the good ol' days were back when you could say "do" without getting laughed at?2011-12-19 19:48:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I hate it when people say "should of", "could of" etc instead of "should have" and "could have".


I thought the good ol' days were back when you could say "do" without getting laughed at?

Unless you said it twice in a row of course!		2011-12-19 20:46:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Hahaha, poop...2011-12-19 22:30:00

Author:
xxMATEOSxx
Posts: 1787

Unless you said it twice in a row of course!
Or duty. It sounds like "doody".
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldp3jukzHo1qb9a2wo1_500.png		2011-12-19 22:34:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Wtach the spam, folks.

Hehehehe		2011-12-20 04:32:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

Sowwy...But I don't think refereces to minor wordplay should be considered spam in a discussion on grammar and other language-usage topics. Of course, I'm not privy (ha) to forum law in this case.

EDIT:
Ok, to be fair, technically this is a thread on why people don't use the aforementioned grammar/spelling/etc correctly. Refering back to "the good ol' days" and "should of, could of, would of" from before. Some of these things just become mainstream enough to garner acceptance in general language usage. Disregarding the apostrophe use in ol', they're exactly the same. Of course it's still not "proper" English, but again, on forums, who needs to worry about that? However there is no denying text message speak gets very annoying.
(By the way, notice the correct use of "they're". I'll probably do that for any time I use one of those types of words because it is relatively common to see them misused in everyday written situations).		2011-12-20 04:52:00

Author:
xxMATEOSxx
Posts: 1787

Back when I was admin in an Italian manga forum (I still am but shhht...) people started to swap the double c like in "occupy" with a single k...example "okupy" so I made a banner on top of the forums putting the k in a forbid sign and these line of text.
"I'm Italian, I'm not stupid, I know and love my language, so I won't post msg style text"
I'll post the banner if I find it again.

I can see it now..."#Okupywalstrit"

Eh its not like anyone can take them even less seriously than they do now.		2011-12-20 08:38:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Ahem... "ALOT" is actually spelled A LOT, FYI

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TiTtIFjpI/AAAAAAAACxQ/HXLdiZZ0goU/s1600/ALOT14.png (http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html)		2011-12-20 09:47:00

Author:
midnight_heist
Posts: 2513

Wtach the spam, folks.

Hehehehe
That's 'watch', my good sir. Problem? Nah, just kidding.
But seriously, I think people should start considering their speech a lot more. I'm not saying we HAVE to, but we should. I'm even starting to hear some people using incorrect grammar that I've known in an English-speaking area for my whole life, and their grammar skills are deteriorating. We need to get real, because people aren't going to know what you're talking about if you use the word 'thingy' in place of half of the words in your sentence.		2011-12-20 12:39:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I used to be a grammar nazi... then I heard this English Professor give a talk defending internet/text speech... and it completely changed my mind about it.

Internet/Text shorthand is where the english language is headed... so you'd best either get used to it - or learn a different language... because you cannot stop progress.

Internet/text speech has actually innovated the english language in a greater form and in a shorter time-span than just about anything in the history of language (aside from an alien culture invading and enforcing it's language on a populace);

Shakespear was written in modern English... but if you were to write an english essay in pure Shakespearian - you would fail English (despite probably having a greater mastery of the english language than people writing in non-shakespearian 'new' english).

Language changes... it's a fundamental rule of all languages.
It's just we're seeing it change alot quicker thanks to the internet 		2011-12-20 13:28:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

well, internet/text language is one thing. poor spelling/usage (Hese going their to) instead of (He is going there also) is not a language progression.2011-12-20 14:59:00

Author:
EinRobot
Posts: 739

I used to be a grammar nazi... then I took an arrow to the knee.


Fixed that for you 		2011-12-20 15:38:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

(He is going there also)
I think the better phrase would be, "He is going there as well."		2011-12-20 16:18:00

Author:
xxMATEOSxx
Posts: 1787

@Macnme:
I'm not only referring to internet speech, but basic language in the outside world. It doesn't feel too much like progress to me, but it feels like we're getting worse. People are starting to apply it to things you normally wouldn't have to, such as letters, essays, or even a casual conversation. Either that or they're getting it all wrong, which isn't really a big deal. Like what EinRobot said. I would normally use text talk for limited space or to type something quickly. If we're headed towards internet speech (in my opinion), we'd all end up like LOLcatz, asking for moar of teh cheezburgurz.		2011-12-20 18:30:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Fixed that for you
Darn...you beat me to the joke.

Man, that Arrow to the knee thing has really spread around, huh?		2011-12-21 01:26:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Man, that Arrow to the knee thing has really spread around, huh?
I used to use that joke, but then I took an arrow to the knee 		2011-12-21 03:39:00

Author:
49er Nation
Posts: 429

If people did everything right there wouldn't be a need for heaven to only exist in religion.2011-12-21 07:06:00

Author:
comishguy67
Posts: 849

If people did everything right there wouldn't be a need for heaven to only exist in religion.
When did I say everyone had to do everything right? I simply asked why some peoples' grammar skills are worsening.		2011-12-21 12:02:00

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Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

When did I say everyone had to do everything right? I simply asked why some peoples' grammar skills are worsening.

And I implicitly answered. People simply just don't do what is "established" as proper or correct. It's in our nature to be rebellious.		2011-12-21 13:56:00

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comishguy67
Posts: 849

49er, how long did you have that title? >.>2011-12-21 14:20:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

The thing is... we all speak a bastardised and perverted form of the previous generations language.

The English language itself is a mix of Proto-Germanic, Latin, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian etc etc etc.

How do you think our Anglo-Saxon ancestors would feel about what we have done to their language?
They'd tell us we were spelling everything totally wrong.

ANd nothing annoys British people more than an American Spellchecker - that keeps telling us we're spelling things wrongly, when it's clearly the spellchecker that is getting it wrong.

There is no "right & wrong" when it comes to language.
English did not spring forth from nowhere - fully formed and complete and written in stone, unable to change.

Also, spelling is a case of "Majority Rules". If a majority of people spell something a certain way - then that becomes the accepted spelling. There has never been a "golden age" where everyone spelt things the same way. Or all used punctuation the way it was taught in 1950's classrooms. Shakespear himself even spelt his name differently on different manuscripts.

I was taught in English "I before E accept After C".... only - there are more words that defy that rule than adhere to it.

It's all about conveying meaning. If the meaning is conveyed - then the language is doing it's job. What form that language takes is completely irrelevant.		2011-12-21 17:37:00

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Macnme
Posts: 1970

You have a point there. I guess there are so many variables and views of/in the language that it's impossible to define right or wrong (then again, that's common with most things). But to me, there's still fair/poor grammar.2011-12-21 21:04:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

The thing is... we all speak a bastardised and perverted form of the previous generations language.

The English language itself is a mix of Proto-Germanic, Latin, Anglo-Saxon, Scandanavian etc etc etc.

How do you think our Anglo-Saxon ancestors would feel about what we have done to their language?
They'd tell us we were spelling everything totally wrong.

ANd nothing annoys British people more than an American Spellchecker - that keeps telling us we're spelling things wrongly, when it's clearly the spellchecker that is getting it wrong.

There is no "right & wrong" when it comes to language.
English did not spring forth from nowhere - fully formed and complete and written in stone, unable to change.

Also, spelling is a case of "Majority Rules". If a majority of people spell something a certain way - then that becomes the accepted spelling. There has never been a "golden age" where everyone spelt things the same way. Or all used punctuation the way it was taught in 1950's classrooms. Shakespear himself even spelt his name differently on different manuscripts.

I was taught in English "I before E accept After C".... only - there are more words that defy that rule than adhere to it.

It's all about conveying meaning. If the meaning is conveyed - then the language is doing it's job. What form that language takes is completely irrelevant.


Some have a prouder stance about all this (www.youtube.com/watch?v=xshn5_PPtiQ#t=5m23s)
(strong language, viewer discretion is advised)		2011-12-21 21:16:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Okay, first poop, then Skyrim, now Minecraft?
OH my gosh. All of my advertisements are nearly two minutes long. It may not sound like much, but for an advertisement...		2011-12-21 21:24:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Some have a prouder stance about all this (www.youtube.com/watch?v=xshn5_PPtiQ#t=5m23s)
(strong language, viewer discretion is advised)
That's not how you pronounce the word aether, is it?

I thought you didn't pronounce the a in ?. e.g. encyclopaedia.		2011-12-21 21:48:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

That's not how you pronounce the word aether, is it?

I thought you didn't pronounce the a in ?. e.g. encyclopaedia.

Yep, "Ether" is actually the right way, like in "Caesar". They kept calling it that during their whole mod coverage and in that video too, I made the link start it when Lewis thought he's wrong and started to pronounce it "a-eyther", prompting Simon to make that joke.


Okay, first poop, then Skyrim, now Minecraft?
OH my gosh. All of my advertisements are nearly two minutes long. It may not sound like much, but for an advertisement...

Firefox with the "adblock" add-on installed does wonders 		2011-12-21 22:01:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

You want to know why? Because the internet is full with illiterate ******** who knows how to spell correctly, but do not because writing phonetically is apparently much cooler and faster to write.2011-12-22 16:05:00

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AbdiHMA
Posts: 86

You want to know why? Because the internet is full with illiterate ******** who knows how to spell correctly, but do not because writing phonetically is apparently much cooler and faster to write.

I'm not sure if you just added the extra 's' by accident, or if this is in fact:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWI8w9kLAks&feature=related		2011-12-22 19:40:00

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CyberSora
Posts: 5551

Oops, accident.2011-12-22 19:57:00

Author:
AbdiHMA
Posts: 86

Oops, accident.
You mean...you posted by accident? 		2011-12-22 20:03:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

You mean...you posted by accident?

Not at all.		2011-12-22 21:55:00

Author:
AbdiHMA
Posts: 86

Not at all.
Oh okay, I see. You were talking about that "knows" thing, right?		2011-12-23 11:04:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Today at work I saw some handwritten notices where "shelves" were spelt "shelfs" and "boxes" spelt "box's". 2011-12-23 11:24:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

I've seen worse, but that's pretty funny.2011-12-23 11:29:00

Author:
RakasaPlus
Posts: 136

Today at work I saw some handwritten notices where "shelves" were spelt "shelfs" and "boxes" spelt "box's".
Wow, that's pretty bad. Most people do make mistakes when trying to define plurals.		2011-12-23 11:49:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Wow, that's pretty bad. Most people do make mistakes when trying to define plurals.

Crammer Natsi ;D		2011-12-23 13:17:00

Author:
RakasaPlus
Posts: 136

Today at work I saw some handwritten notices where "shelves" were spelt "shelfs" and "boxes" spelt "box's".

Dats terribal. Yore colegues r sooo dumm 		2011-12-24 12:35:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

You guys are useless, just sitting here moaning about it. You should be doing something productive to help fight it, such as joining the Apostrophe Protection Society (http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/) 2011-12-24 14:52:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

You guys are useless, just sitting here moaning about it. You should be doing something productive to help fight it, such as joining the Apostrophe Protection Society (http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/)

After the extreme annoyance that was having to pronounce "Demon's Souls" as "Demon'sSSSS SSSsouls" (so nobody would understand it as "Demon Souls"), I say : screw the apostrophes!		2011-12-24 15:16:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

You guys are useless, just sitting here moaning about it. You should be doing something productive to help fight it, such as joining the Apostrophe Protection Society (http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/)
I thought there was something called...school?		2011-12-24 15:36:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Apostrophes are being overused, and it is simply devastating. Please make a donation to the Apostrophe Protection Society to help them out.

Thank you for appreciating our efforts.

Sincerely,
Aaron Hilliker 49er Nation		2011-12-26 05:01:00

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49er Nation
Posts: 429

Convenience my friend...convenience.2011-12-31 12:54:00

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Unknown User

What do you mean?2011-12-31 14:18:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

Well, I guess a better word for it would be laziness. Technology only enables it.2012-01-01 11:56:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well, in a way. It does make things more convenient and easy, but that's it's purpose. It doesn't take the same level of thinking that created a problem to solve it.2012-01-01 20:36:00

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Sackpapoi
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