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Now obviously levels in LittleBigPlanet 2 get banned for different reasons, but the more common cause of this is associated with immature content. But what exactly is considered immature or inappropriate? At what point do you cross the line and say that a levels content is so offensive to the community that it should be removed entirely? http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Components-ImageFileViewer/CommunityServer-Components-UserFiles-00-00-36-50-71-Attached+Files/2476.LittleBigPlanet7.jpg_2D00_610x0.jpg Of course, LittleBigPlanet 2 is rated E for everyone, so of course creating something like Catherine. (http://media.photobucket.com/image/catherine%20ps3/deffa/catherine_ps3_cover1.jpg)..probably not such a good idea. I just feel a huge weight creating and writing in LBP because I dont want to get modded for anything. I wonder about strong language; Something like Go******** strangely isnt censored in LBP the last time I checked. What about creating more realistic characters with smoking or drinking habits ? What about violence? I see tons of levels when people are shooting zombies in the faces? Does adding indicators of gore and blood make things worse? Must every levels consist of fairy tale creatures in some fantasy dreamland where everything is happy and positive so that it wont offend anyone? What exactly makes a level inappropriate?

2011-12-12 02:30:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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What exactly makes a level inappropriate? Ungreth.

2011-12-12 09:03:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Just because there are other levels out there doesn't mean it's allowed. You might get away with any kind of content, as long as no one good-griefs you. You're basically weighing artistic freedom against risk.

2011-12-12 13:09:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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Well my friend queencherrys level got moderated because of well the "what she called hook ers" in her level. And some kid good grief her and she got banned from psn for im guessing 1 month. I dont think the community can take mature content.

2011-12-12 13:30:00 Author: The_Lil_JoKeR Posts: 745

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It definitely depends on context. Obviously anything sexual is a big no-no. I have seen mature themes handled in levels - murder etc, but they have been handled in a mature way - not just done for the sake of putting gore in, but to add to the story. Smoking and drinking are tough ones to call. I've never seen them in a level before (maybe they've all been banned ). I don't think having a smoking character could actually add anything to a level. You could have an alcoholic character - but you shouldn't make any attempt to glorify alcoholism.

2011-12-12 15:34:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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Just because there are other levels out there doesn't mean it's allowed. You might get away with any kind of content, as long as no one good-griefs you. You're basically weighing artistic freedom against risk. Perfect example, people who put 12+ or whatever in the description. The EULA says it has to be suitable for the age on the box (7+ here in the UK), you can't go deciding who it's appropriate for, especially as your one person compared to a massive corporation who are experts. So yeah, I'd say anything that PEGI would rate over 7+ breaks the EULA, which means there's very little you can do that would upset 3 year olds but not 7. However, that's all a matter of opinion to the person playing it. If I saw gore that was used in the way Ali_Star describes, I wouldn't report it. I've seen a couple of characters smoking before, but it's never been anything more (i.e. the level isn't focused on it, it's just there and that's all that's said on it).

2011-12-12 16:17:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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It definitely depends on context. Obviously anything sexual is a big no-no. I have seen mature themes handled in levels - murder etc, but they have been handled in a mature way - not just done for the sake of putting gore in, but to add to the story. Smoking and drinking are tough ones to call. I've never seen them in a level before (maybe they've all been banned ). I don't think having a smoking character could actually add anything to a level. You could have an alcoholic character - but you shouldn't make any attempt to glorify alcoholism. Well from a story standpoint it can. It just came to mind, but smoking isnt nothing new to the world and I think it can easily shed light on some of a characters habits and reveal more about them without actually saying anything. Some literary experts refer to these as "rituals", but I wont get into that. The point is, I dont see how drinking is any different, but the fact that you might find this more offensive sorta adds to why I made this thread in the first place. Everyone has different things they find offensive. Is it really just a matter of not getting reported for it? I did wonder about the 12+ ratings though and if that would actually make some things more acceptable. I mean typically horror levels for example are meant to be scary..and perhaps depictions of blood. So perhaps warning the viewer of the levels content would work.

2011-12-12 17:40:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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Well from a story standpoint it can. It just came to mind, but smoking isnt nothing new to the world and I think it can easily shed light on some of a characters habits and reveal more about them without actually saying anything. Some literary experts refer to these as "rituals", but I wont get into that. The point is, I dont see how drinking is any different, but the fact that you might find this more offensive sorta adds to why I made this thread in the first place. Everyone has different things they find offensive. Is it really just a matter of not getting reported for it? I did wonder about the 12+ ratings though and if that would actually make some things more acceptable. I mean typically horror levels for example are meant to be scary..and perhaps depictions of blood. So perhaps warning the viewer of the levels content would work. I think a warning is certainly a good idea. On the smoking vs alcohol debate, you have to look at the stigma attached to each one. I don't know what it's like where you live, but in the UK smoking is banned indoors. You're not allowed to advertise cigarettes, but you're allowed to advertise alcohol. Look at TV shows, particularly on US network TV. You're much more likely to see a character have a glass of wine/beer than you are to see one light up a cigarette.

2011-12-12 20:46:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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Look at TV shows, particularly on US network TV. You're much more likely to see a character have a glass of wine/beer than you are to see one light up a cigarette. In the US it's just as normal to see a character smoke as to see one drink. even on G rated shows over here you'll sometimes at least see the badguy or character in the background smoke. most people don't even think anything of it as long the main heroes of the story are not doing it. even then sometimes older main characters will do it. but older main characters are rare to find on a G rate show anyways. *mew

2011-12-12 21:42:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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In the US it's just as normal to see a character smoke as to see one drink. even on G rated shows over here you'll sometimes at least see the badguy or character in the background smoke. most people don't even think anything of it as long the main heroes of the story are not doing it. even then sometimes older main characters will do it. but older main characters are rare to find on a G rate show anyways. *mew Of all the US network shows I watch (I'm talking about network, not the more mature cable shows), I can't think of a main character who smokes. But like you said, if you do see smoking in these shows, it's usually reserved for bad guys.

2011-12-13 09:37:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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In regards to smoking, three that jumped out to my head is Metal Gear Solid's Snake, Afro Samurai and the main characters in Samurai Champloo. Its probably different around the US than it is in other countries, but the fact that you have to be 21 in order to drink in this country and smoking you have to be 18, I sorta thought drinking was worse because more people get in trouble for it. Alright thanks everyone, this thread has been really helpful.

2011-12-13 15:19:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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I think a warning is certainly a good idea. I did wonder about the 12+ ratings though and if that would actually make some things more acceptable. I mean typically horror levels for example are meant to be scary..and perhaps depictions of blood. So perhaps warning the viewer of the levels content would work. But as I said, by agreeing to the EULA, you are agreeing that what you upload will be suitable for people 7 and over. You can't put a warning in because that means you must have uploaded something that warrants a warning, hence, is unsuitable for children aged 7, which then breaks the EULA. Plus, how do you decide if it should be 12+? You're just one person, you're view of what is and isn't suitable for a 12 year-old will most certainly not be as good as a large company's. The point of not advertising smoking is because the adverts will glamorise it in order to sell it to you, which isn't a good thing because of the proven bad effects it has on you. Sure, alcohol has the same point, but the adverts always have a little notice saying "Drink responsibly". I'd say that probably isn't enough to be honest, but it appears that's how it is. As I said, if it happens I think it's fine, provided it isn't dwelled on or glamourised.

2011-12-13 16:56:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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But as I said, by agreeing to the EULA, you are agreeing that what you upload will be suitable for people 7 and over. You can't put a warning in because that means you must have uploaded something that warrants a warning, hence, is unsuitable for children aged 7, which then breaks the EULA. I played an MM picked stage ( The Lost) I believe used this technique. While what you are saying is technically true, most stages I played could be argued to not be acceptable for 7 year olds. Which another guy pointed out, its probably just a matter of not getting reported for it. Plus, how do you decide if it should be 12+? You're just one person, you're view of what is and isn't suitable for a 12 year-old will most certainly not be as good as a large company's. Who else would do it? If you ask me, most companies release rated E games that should really be rated T, or rated T when I think they should be rated M. I trust my own judgement enough to make the right decision if it comes to ratings--I mean I am making the stage after all. Its not rocket science to know what a 12-year- old can or cannot see. The point of not advertising smoking is because the adverts will glamorise it in order to sell it to you, which isn't a good thing because of the proven bad effects it has on you. Sure, alcohol has the same point, but the adverts always have a little notice saying "Drink responsibly". I'd say that probably isn't enough to be honest, but it appears that's how it is. As I said, if it happens I think it's fine, provided it isn't dwelled on or glamourised. Your saying its acceptable for 7 year olds to embrace drinking, yet they cannot smoke? What does "drink responsibly" even mean for children when they should not even be drinking in the first place? Smoking doesnt need a "drink responsibly" advertisment because it doesnt lead to instant death like drinking can. Smoking gradually kills, not instantly and with such logic, it could be argued drinking is worse than smoking. LBP wise, if a character adopts either habit, like I said its just to reveal more about a character; I never said anything about advertising or promoting either. http://devilindetails.webs.com/Cruella%20De%20Vil3.jpg Even Walt Disney characters had smoking habits; and did children leave the story wanting to smoke? No they did not.

2011-12-13 19:43:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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I guess as creators we must be aware that young minds can be easily corrupted when exposed to adult themes. I grew up reading Tintin and now I blame Captain Haddock for the way I smoke, drink and cuss. http://latestbookreviews.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/AZ_CaptainHaddock_sm.jpg

2011-12-13 21:52:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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I played an MM picked stage ( The Lost) I believe used this technique. While what you are saying is technically true, most stages I played could be argued to not be acceptable for 7 year olds. Which another guy pointed out, its probably just a matter of not getting reported for it. I said that as well, I'd love it if we could do that, and if you're not caught then why not. Who else would do it? If you ask me, most companies release rated E games that should really be rated T, or rated T when I think they should be rated M. I trust my own judgement enough to make the right decision if it comes to ratings--I mean I am making the stage after all. Its not rocket science to know what a 12-year- old can or cannot see. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't technically be rating our levels full stop, we agreed to the 7+ rating and should have to stick to it. Of course, this works the other way as well, who's to say it is suitable for 7 year-olds? As you said, what different people find offensive differs greatly. Your saying its acceptable for 7 year olds to embrace drinking, yet they cannot smoke? What does "drink responsibly" even mean for children when they should not even be drinking in the first place? Smoking doesnt need a "drink responsibly" advertisment because it doesnt lead to instant death like drinking can. Smoking gradually kills, not instantly and with such logic, it could be argued drinking is worse than smoking. Admittedly, I didn't explain that very well, but drinking 'killing instantly' doesn't make it worse, as it's a lot rarer than the many smoking-related deaths. In moderation, it's fine, and you can moderate over it more easily (hence the 'drink responsibly&apos, unlike smoking which becomes addictive. I also believe alcohol adverts aren't shown until after the 9pm watershed, when the kid's shouldn't be watching anyway (though I may be mistaken). LBP wise, if a character adopts either habit, like I said its just to reveal more about a character; I never said anything about advertising or promoting either. [/FONT][/SIZE] I pretty much said that also, glad we agree http://devilindetails.webs.com/Cruella%20De%20Vil3.jpg Even Walt Disney characters had smoking habits; and did children leave the story wanting to smoke? No they did not.[/SIZE] That was ages ago, and Disney have since pledged to remove smoking from it's family orientated films (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6916293.stm), which happened in 2007. I have to say I'm quite enjoying this topic, thanks for making it

2011-12-14 08:16:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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http://devilindetails.webs.com/Cruella%20De%20Vil3.jpg Even Walt Disney characters had smoking habits; and did children leave the story wanting to smoke? No they did not. [/SIZE] I can't imagine any kids wanting to be like Cruella Deville though

2011-12-14 09:21:00 Author: Ali_Star Posts: 4085

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Some shows are pro smoking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBwSzSM0C-M

2011-12-14 13:08:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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^ lmfao!!!!

2011-12-14 13:10:00 Author: The_Lil_JoKeR Posts: 745

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[video] "That is why I am Scientologist!" xD

2011-12-14 16:45:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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