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I was having a conversation with some mates on Xbox Live earlier, all of whom race in a series with me on Forza. We've been racing together since Forza 2. During the conversation, due to the fact that there were some Americans and some British guys in the party, there was a bit of banter going on - just boring crap about Americans not having proper beers etc (Bud Light? lol...) But for some reason, a bunch of Americans joined who were mates with one guy in the party. The conversation started getting a little agressive, thanks too them, and soon I was the lone British guy in the party. Now for some reason, that meant they wanted to get agressive. It ended up with them telling me, and I honestly don't know why, that Britain can't fight wars (I don't want to say Britain is 'awesome' in wars, because that's not the kind of thing to be proud of really...). They then used WW2 as an example. They went on to say that Britain did nothing in WW2, and that the only countries that did anything at all, other than America of course, were France and Poland. Somehow, the 14,000 Canadians on Juno beach were forgotten... They then told me, after I told them to be a bit more respectful, that I had no idea what I was talking about. They then told me, upon me telling them that actually, I do know, because my grandfather died on D-Day, on the beaches with all the other Allies that died that day, they told me that he was worthless and insignificant, and that he was irrelevant to the war. I know this is not true. I realise they were trying to get a rise out of me. I know that Americans in general don't think like this, and I realise this could just as easily happen in reverse, with an Englishan saying it to an American. But honestly, my point in this thread? I don't understand how people can actually say things like this, without feeling really bad about themselves. I don't understand why people who think like this deserve a life, while others died trying to protect the rights that they now have. This is no attack on Americans - I like America, and until this conversation I was hoping to move to America. But while I know this is not how most of America thinks, this alone has put me off. I despise the person who said this, I despise his friends who didn't tell him to shut up. And, as you can see, it's really frustrating me. I can't begin to describe the emotions I felt when I heard them say it... I was just interested to hear what people here think of people who act like this, and who would say this kind of stuff... It's a bit of a rant really I guess, but it just got to me... I know that I say things which can annoy people, but I wouldn't dream of saying something like this... It's just beyond words for me really, I can't imagine ever saying to someones whose family had died that their lives were worthless... I dunno...

2011-11-02 03:21:00 Author: Unknown User

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That sound's awful >_> I really hope you don't think any different of America for it though. Anyone with access to a mic (and from I read, alcohol) has the potential to be a terrible person. It's just the unfortunate side effect of giving someone the power to be the biggest jerk ever and go unpunished for it. Sounds like you just ran in to a couple of idiots who got a bit over zealous when they felt their cheap beer was being threatened.

2011-11-02 03:30:00 Author: Littlebigdude805 Posts: 1924

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Oh frak, you wanted to move here? D: Lol, but seriously. Sound like stupid kids to me. Ones with horrible grasps of history, mind you >_>. I mean, Britain frakking held off Germany by itself for two years while America tried to give them "Some" help becasue we didn't think it concerned us. I mean, Britain was fighting a losing fight against Germany. Hell, Britain was going solo even after Germany wiped the floor with France in 6 weeks, and Germany wouldn't have been too harsh on Britain (them both being industrialized Germanic peoples). Anyway, saying that Britain couldn't do nothing is just stupid when they were going solo against a much stronger and more prepared foe. Plus, I'd say the Soviets and those dang commies were of more use in that war then America, but eh. Also, I would like to point out that Britain WAS the dominant power for hundreds of years, and the only reason America won the revolution was because France bankrupted itself into its own revolution just to **** Britain off :/. But yeah, I never got about us "Saving" Britain in WW2. Yes, things were bad, so bad they never regained their prior dominance... they couldn't have held out forever, that's for sure. However, even if Germany beat Britain, as soon as Hitler went for his main target of the Soviet Union, there's really no way Germany could beat all that, even without America's help. I'd say America saved Britain more in WW1... but since that was just to break some stalemate fought for no real reason, I can see why we would want to make ourselves the good guys against the Nazis :/ But yes, Britain was able to single-handily fight against Germany for a year or so even though Germany prepared itself for World War while Britain didn't... So yes, they're history is stupid. But they seem to be stupid teenagers, so meh. I wouldn't give them THAT much thought. I mean, America has ME. I more then make up for all those idiots? ... Right? ;-;

2011-11-02 03:38:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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It's not their fault. It's just that American schools breed ignorance.

2011-11-02 03:47:00 Author: Enlong3 Posts: 357

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Yeah, it's those people giving us other Americans a bad name. I even get into debates online about certain things, 95% of them being fellow Americans. I only really debate with them over their lack of common sense.

2011-11-02 04:01:00 Author: Tmjtk Posts: 258

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A very black and white version of a WW2 history lesson >_> This is hardly relevant to the thread. It's not their fault. It's just that American schools breed ignorance. Oh and it is so bliss.

2011-11-02 04:05:00 Author: Littlebigdude805 Posts: 1924

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^ This, seriously our school system has gone so far down the toilet with mismanagement and a not-quite-subtle anti-intellectual undercurrent in some states that shall remain nameless that cares little for the importance of art, science and historical accuracy that I honestly find the idea of raising a child here unthinkable (good thing I've avoided needing to do that so far). In all likelihood the "gentlemen" you interacted with were more byproducts of that system. And given what they seem to think they know about WW2 and your country's military history, they've probably been taught with educational materials that should have been outdated by the end of the Cold War. And hey, know you don't want to boast about Britain actually really is pretty good at them when when you consider win-loss ratios. I'm honestly unsure about whether or not I can recommend moving here, job market's not too great and both the mass media and political climate have become severely toxic; then again I know Europe has seen better days as well though in that regard you'd probably know more then I would. And a lot of women here do seem to like British accents...

2011-11-02 04:11:00 Author: Dapiek Absaroka Posts: 512

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^ This, seriously our school system has gone so far down the toilet with mismanagement and a not-quite-subtle anti-intellectual undercurrent in some states that shall remain nameless that cares little for the importance of art, science and historical accuracy that I honestly find the idea of raising a child here unthinkable (good thing I've avoided needing to do that so far). In all likelihood the "gentlemen" you interacted with were more byproducts of that system. And given what they seem to think they know about WW2 and your country's military history, they've probably been taught with educational materials that should have been outdated by the end of the Cold War. And hey, know you don't want to boast about Britain actually really is pretty good at them when when you consider win-loss ratios. I'm honestly unsure about whether or not I can recommend moving here, job market's not too great and both the mass media and political climate have become severely toxic; then again I know Europe has seen better days as well though in that regard you'd probably know more then I would. And a lot of women here do seem to like British accents... Massive amounts of truth here.

2011-11-02 04:13:00 Author: Tmjtk Posts: 258

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Meh... My experience is just what many people probably had as their first reaction... Haters gunna hate. Trollers gunna troll. I ignore everybody like this. I'm from America and even I get mad at the 'patriots' that talk like that...

2011-11-02 05:07:00 Author: Speedynutty68 Posts: 1614

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Sorry you had to face off with the idiotic side of our nation. It's sad, really, to know that people like that lurk in our country just to p*ss people off and nothing more. As to your "question" of why we have people like this, I believe it's of ignorance and disrespect. I love America for its ideals in freedom of speech, protesting and arguing what you believe is wrong, and tolerance of religion and race. However, it annoys me to see such people abuse these rights and ideals. The fact that majority of our nation believes in the "AMERICA HAS THE BEST ARMY EVER!" is ridiculous because we don't get into as many wars as other nations and we lost one yet we have too much pride to admit it. I honestly can't stand people with no respect to others who sacrifice more than them. I have almost no boundaries when it comes to jokes: race,; religion; you know name it and I have no problem making fun of it, but to call someone else's life insignificant after the sacrifice they gave for their country is down-right disrespectful. By the way OP, you said you were thinking of moving here, correct? My advise to you, if you're still offended by people like in your post, is this: learn to get used to this. People here have different views on this. Sure, I do agree that some wars are in fact useless and only for the government's benefit and not the people's, but I HATE when people call our soldiers names, insult them, and ridiculing them for serving our country. The war itself is stupid, but don't go dragging my friends into this and calling them worthless.

2011-11-02 05:31:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551

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I think it's curious how whenever some americans see the quality of one of their stuff questioned by people from other countries (in this case, beer), their response always comes to war and how all other countries but them sucked in WW2. If you were french, they'd come up with that silly stereotype that "the french always surrender". If those guys bug you again, make fun of them for calling "football" to a sport that's neither played using the feet nor with an object in the shape of a ball.

2011-11-02 06:49:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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Well, some people are just stupid. Not all. Not the majority. But MAN, some people are duuuuuuumb.

2011-11-02 08:58:00 Author: tomodon246 Posts: 624

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Well, Omaha beach seems to be a particular point of fixation and historical revision for Americans. It's unlikely the people you were talking to knew anything beyond it.

2011-11-02 13:47:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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Alot of Comedy derives from subverting expectations and from saying that thing that you know should not be said. The act of saying it is itself the joke. The idea that Britian made no contribution to WW2 is so patently absurd, that it is either quite obviously a joke, or the person saying it is so ignorant of history - that the humour should be derived from their ignorant perception. It's like the "What have the Romans ever done for us?!" speech from Life of Brian. I'm a big fan of offensive humour - the more offensive the better. I am always getting myself into trouble for amplifying that little voice in my head that is not supposed to be spoken aloud. If someone doesn't know me too well, they might assume that I actually hold these offensive views, rather than deriving humour from the fact that these views are so offensive, that no-one in their right mind could possibly be properly of that opinion. I just wish I was in on that conversation though.... I have a very long skit about America's Army... like them waiting to see which side was losing WW2 before joining the winning side and then claiming the victory for themselves like the worst kind of coward. Or how the only reason they are now leaving Iraq is because the new Iraqi government is refusing to grant immunity from prosecution to American Soldiers who commit crimes in Iraq - Rather than tell their Soldiers "Don't commit crimes!" they say "Oh well, the Idea of our soldiers not commiting any crimes is so far fetched, we're going to have to withdraw the entire army" If someone starts dishing it out - then you start dishing it back. So it's a case of 1 of 2 things - Either, they know their history and were being deliberatly antagonistic in order to get a rise out of you - in which case - Job Done! Or, they know nothing about history and were flagrantly displaying their own stupidity - in which case - Job Done!

2011-11-02 14:22:00 Author: Macnme Posts: 1970

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Alot of Comedy derives from subverting expectations and from saying that thing that you know should not be said. The act of saying it is itself the joke. The idea that Britian made no contribution to WW2 is so patently absurd, that it is either quite obviously a joke, or the person saying it is so ignorant of history - that the humour should be derived from their ignorant perception. It's like the "What have the Romans ever done for us?!" speech from Life of Brian. I'm a big fan of offensive humour - the more offensive the better. I am always getting myself into trouble for amplifying that little voice in my head that is not supposed to be spoken aloud. If someone doesn't know me too well, they might assume that I actually hold these offensive views, rather than deriving humour from the fact that these views are so offensive, that no-one in their right mind could possibly be properly of that opinion. I just wish I was in on that conversation though.... I have a very long skit about America's contribution to WW2... like them waiting to see which side was losing before joining the winning side and then claiming the victory for themselves like the worst kind of coward. If someone starts dishing it out - then you start dishing it back. So it's a case of 1 of 2 things - Either, they know their history and were being deliberatly antagonistic in order to get a rise out of you - in which case - Job Done! Or, they know nothing about history and were flagrantly displaying their own stupidity - in which case - Job Done! It's not nescessarily the fact they say America won the war or whatever - I enjoy offensive jokes, but only when they are jokes. It becomes a different story when it is taken to the level of saying someones grandparents death is worthless. That's not even mildy amusing - it's just an offensive statement. I mean, it's like if he had parents or whatever serving in the US Army currently, and they were killed, it's like me just going to him and saying 'yeah well, it's a stupid war and their death was irrelevant and worthless.' That's not true, but there is no way that can be interpreted as a joke, surely? (Of course, I'd never say something like that anyway). I like offensive humour - I love Frankie Boyle because he is just brilliantly offensive... I just don't think anyone could pass this off as humour? I dunno... Even you don't go quite that far Mac

2011-11-02 14:31:00 Author: Unknown User

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See, that kind of joke isn't for the grandson - it's for the people who are listening to the person insulting the grandson who should rightly think "You can't say that about someones grandfather!" - their expectations are then subverted when the grandfather is mocked - and there the humour is derived. Nearly all jokes have to have a butt. And as you were the minority - they are usually the butt of the jokes. But they obviously don't know you - didn't know your grandfather - and it seems, don't know about WW2. So none of what they say is directed at anything real. They are mocking their own imaginings. I wouldn't take offense.... but then again - I'm pretty much unshockable - I may not be the best barometer

2011-11-02 14:58:00 Author: Macnme Posts: 1970

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I'm sorry to say this, but it's pretty common to hear crud like that. Even so, they're lies. I hate people like that, but I'm not zooming in on America. There are people all over the world like that. Heck, this past week I heard at least twenty different people (who ARE American, note) who say that they hate Americans. What? You ARE American. I ask them why and they can't answer me. The only answer I get is "Because they're stupid." Of course. They just love to look cool and act like they know what's going on by generalizing a whole nation. Let's face it, they don't. Especially when it's generalizing they're OWN nationality. I even know some people who were dumb enough to say that they hated the human race. "What's that? I'm a human too? Oh, I didn't know." Geez, give me a break. You haven't met the whole entire world, you can't say that for a fact. It's just ignorant kids who have no argument, so they bash your religion, ethnicity, country of origin, etc, thinking it will work. Yeah, it peeves you off, but they're just making themselves look like idiots. Especially when they try and represent their whole country. It makes it easy for other jerks to try and guess that everyone in the country they're from are like them. Look, no one's in a really good position right now, so don't try to start WW3 by insulting other countries. It's not helping. That's what I want them to know. I hope you're not too upset about that ordeal with them, they're just idiots. You never know who you'll find playing a video game.

2011-11-02 17:21:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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