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Is LBP Ageist?

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Is the LBP community ageist or do most people automatically assume that a 53 year old male (who takes an interest in their work) is some sort of pervert out to meet virtual teenagers and some how groom them through their sackboys? that's what i'm starting to think, and quite frankly i'm getting so sick of it that i'm tempted to remove my PSEye from my PS3 when i'm online.

it's happened now on numerous occasions and it's depressing to say the least. clearly they make two assumptions without a second thought: 1/ you are playing LBP so you must be a kid and 2/ if you are not a kid then there's something wrong with you. that may sound harsh but i'm afraid from my experience (and i stress my) this HAS to be the case. i'm looking at their levels, chatting away and appreciating the effort they put in regardless of how pretty the level is and then the question of age crops up. i tell them i'm 53 and suddenly they either make an excuse and leave or just leave.

look, i play LBP for one reason and one reason only: to meet creative and imaginative people. these are the sort of people i used to mix with when i was employed and younger. i wrote for 30 years and so met hundreds of creative writers, my friend ran an art gallery so i mixed with artists all the time too. creative people are what makes this world go round and without creativity in my life it wouldn't be worth a darn.

so, the question remains: is the LBP community ageist or do they all assume that an older guy must be twisted in some way?		2011-10-30 05:57:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I think it is. poms is a 42 years old and some people were like "Aren't you a too old to play LBP?"

No matter what age you are, LBP was made E for anyone to play, meaning kids+

We wouldn't have some amazing levels if it was like kids-teens		2011-10-30 06:18:00

Author:
Spazz
Posts: 484

I wouldn't say that, but think back to when you were 12 or 14. You probably didn't want to hang out with many 53 year olds either. Certainly you would think it odd if you found your 18 year old son playing games with someone 3 times his age; so I can kind of understand it. I don't think it's anyone being judgmental or anything, it's just that most people like to hang out with folks around their own age or within a certain age range.

I'm sort of the opposite. I'm 36, and when I realize someone is under 20ish, I feel kind of odd about hanging out and playing the game with them. I certainly don't hang out with folks under 18 in any regular way. It's nothing against anyone, but the age difference just makes things seem weird to me. I don't mind popping in to help out or take a look, but I wouldn't feel comfortable hanging out regularly with people of that age except in larger mixed groups.		2011-10-30 06:26:00

Author:
tdarb
Posts: 689

I wouldn't say that, but think back to when you were 12 or 14. You probably didn't want to hang out with many 53 year olds either. Certainly you would think it odd if you found your 18 year old son playing games with someone 3 times his age; so I can kind of understand it. I don't think it's anyone being judgmental or anything, it's just that most people like to hang out with folks around their own age or within a certain age range.

I'm sort of the opposite. I'm 36, and when I realize someone is under 20ish, I feel kind of odd about hanging out and playing the game with them. I certainly don't hang out with folks under 18 in any regular way. It's nothing against anyone, but the age difference just makes things seem weird to me. I don't mind popping in to help out or take a look, but I wouldn't feel comfortable hanging out regularly with people of that age except in larger mixed groups.

but you can't tell how old they are when they ask to join you. i always feel bad about saying no. when i used to go dancing (raves as they were called) nobody questioned my age and i was 43 at the time. i would talk to teenagers, male and female, and even dance with them. in fact i was regularly asked to go to a party afterwards which consisted of smoking, jamming and loud, loud music. and still, even at the party, the only response i got was surprise at how old i was and interest because i was a young hearted guy. on the interenet it's different.

there is an assumption made based on the constant images and ideas the media put out. i remember an article put up about HOME. it came out about the time the media was hammering Sony (especially the American media). the article seemed an innocent jab at HOME, but it was accompanied by a picture of Gary Glitter. now if you are American you may not understand how that ties in with what i'm saying, but i can assure you it does. i really didn't expect this community to be any different than other creative communities i've encountered

is it because it's virtual as opposed to text only? i mean, i've been coming on this site for quite some time and i haven't encountered the same response to my age here		2011-10-30 06:48:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

You are how old?! Oh my.. there is something wrong with you.

...seriously kidding. errr... well, kidding to a maximum amount.

There are many of us in your neck of the woods. (as in older) If others freak out, that is their issue. I've got friends of many ages here and in LBP and treasure them all. I look out for them as well as poke fun, and they return in same. If they don't, I worry about them a bit. lol 		2011-10-30 06:58:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I've noticed most true creators on this game or in most things that take a lot of work are over 20. it's not surprising at all. you need most of the time need the years of experience to create great levels/games/art, ETC. we are not born with tons of skill and knowledge. I think most kids would be really surprised about to find out how many adults create on this game. and how many of their fave levels are made by them. to many people read the label wrong. E don't mean only kids. E means any and everyone for all ages. don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't enjoy. *mew2011-10-30 11:42:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I amn't shocked about the age diversity. But I am surprised
I tend to shy away from knowing someone's age, I just tend to play and/or Chat with em. They ccan say their age if they want to, but I wouldn't force them to tell you.
and also, I agree completely with the last sentance that Fumetsuzo said.		2011-10-30 11:48:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

Phew, I thought the title was throwing some psycho-analytical german word at us, but you mean age-ist!

I guess there are stereo types both ways. Kids bring up thoughts of pod vandalism and stealing stuff from create mode. I don't ask for age, it's better to judge people by their behaviour.		2011-10-30 12:19:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

I blame old biddies that don't play video games or use the interwebs.
I think the issues regarding older people on games and sites usually spawn from older people and their general ignorance.
The number of times I've been out with my gran for a meal or something, and the interwebs has come up in conversation, only for my gran to seemingly believe 99.9% of everyone on there is disturbed in some way or another, is so high I can't even count it. While I'm smart enough to see through this sort of thing, I think alot of younger kids, who likely hear the same things from their parents, wind up believing it.

So, in other words, some old biddies corrupt the minds of youths, who then give interwebs-savvy older individuals a hard time.
I reckon alot more youths would be happy to accept a broader age range if the media and Mabel and Dorris from the hairdressers stopped perpetuating exaggerated tales of the interwebs and the people on it.


Anyhow, as a 19 year old, I'm more than happy to play with people of a similar age, or above. So long as I don't need to hear stories about how they invented the wheel, or the 'disgraceful' time they had to queue in the pharmacy for 20 minutes to get their meds.
LBP is for really for everyone, and I wish more people would get this into their skulls.		2011-10-30 15:58:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

i think you've got that a little skewed. and how would these older ignorant people have an opinion on something they have never experienced? like i said, the media are to blame for that. they have spread nothing but negativity about social networks, including facebook. it'll be twitter next. to assume it's the older person who then informs the younger person is a little naive (and i use that word with the deepest respect). teenagers do exactly the opposite of what their family tell them in general, it's part of growing up. if it was the older person, they would be ignored anyway, so that only leaves those younger people i've experianced... and remember i emphasised the fact that it was 'my' experience because i'm aware that reality is subject to circumstance, interpretation and luck to some degree. others may not have the same experience, that's why i put it as a question and not a statement of fact

your generalisation of what an older person is demonstrates quite articulately why what i've experienced actually happens. and i'd just like to point something out to you. take a look at the way you see older people and the way you focus in on typical traits sold to you by the media. i would never assume that all young people are violent or carry knifes or are ignorant in general. if they demonstrate it then i may give them a gentle nudge in the right direction... if they're willing to listen of course		2011-10-30 16:19:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I merely expressed my take on the matter from the things I've personally experienced and witnessed. You may well have seen different causes or whatever, but this is just my interpretation.
And these 'older ignorant people' have opinions on things they've never experienced, because they're ignorant. I've spoken with older individuals (This isn't unique to them, BTW, however, I will admit it's much rarer to see youths ignorant of the interwebs and it's phenomenons.) who have no idea what they're talking about, yet have still been able to formulate an opinion, and tell me that something is, in some way, bad or negative.

"The internets full of bad people!"
"You've never used a computer before."
"So? Dorris told me."

I remember being a young kid and hearing all this, and I genuinely believed for a while, that every site I visited was absolutely crawling with bad people.
While I don't deny said types exist, their numbers are horribly exaggerated by concerned, yet ill-informed parents.

EDIT-
Reading my posts over, I feel really childish saying 'bad people'. Pahahaha. But I fear it may be inappropriate to name particular behaviours directly.

EDIT 2-
I just noticed you edited your post and added a bit. I'm not claiming all old people are one way or the other, I'm saying that one group makes it hard for another.
In much the same way that you, will no doubt understand that there are people my age who are rude, abusive gits, and then there are those that are not.
I'm quite a fan of wearing my hood in public. Hoods are cool, bro. But due to certain individuals and their behaviour, I sometimes fear perhaps I'm a little intimidating in that I dress similarly.		2011-10-30 16:29:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

but don't you see you are generalizing here and making an assumption based on all the cliques about older people? isn't that the heart of the matter i'm discussing? yes some older people and younger people are ignorant and yes some older people and younger people have got skewed ideas about certain things (in this case the internet), but those skewed ideas come from the media. unless you are saying that someone who has lived in isolation all of their lives would, on hearing about broadband and the internet, immediately jump to the conclusion that it's a terrible place full of weird people? it comes from the media and spreads through the net, which then leads to younger people making assumptions about older users such as myself. you couldn't possibly call it a fair trade off if some younger people were assumed to be nasty on the internet, while older men are assumed to be perverted. i'd much rather be perceived as violent if i had the opportunity to pick my own prejudice . perversion could never be seen as a strength, but trust me, violence is quite often interpreted that way2011-10-30 16:40:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Hang on, there's a bit of confusion here regarding edited posts.

I'm not making any generalisations here.
There are older people who have a set dislike of the net, who likely get their dislike off the telly or wherever else, older people who know the internet first hand, and then there will of course be a minority with no opinion on the internet whatsoever.
If it's a generalisation to take real minorities and their behaviours, and point out who makes things harder for who, then I don't think I could write anything on the subject without making a generalisation, at all.
A generalisation would require me to claim that anyone and everyone above a certain age thinks the same way, which I have not done.		2011-10-30 16:47:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

I blame old biddies that don't play video games or use the interwebs.
I think the issues regarding older people on games and sites usually spawn from older people and their general ignorance.

those are incredibly broad strokes.

of course you have to generalise sometimes to make a point, but it's how you generalise and what words you pick to generalise that decides who you are.		2011-10-30 16:55:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Haha. Didn't think you'd take those quite so serious. But yes, now I see where you're coming from. I should point out I was refering only to the anti-interwebs minority there, not anyone and everyone.2011-10-30 16:58:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

Haha. Didn't think you'd take those quite so serious. But yes, now I see where you're coming from. I should point out I was refering only to the anti-interwebs minority there, not anyone and everyone.

sir, you are a gentleman. i take your points though, it has made me think on the opposite point of view even if i did have to filter out some objectionable terminology. next time some 'old biddy' tells you he or she invented the wheel don't ignore them, they may well have, and if your Aunt wants to waffle on about how long she had to queue for her medication, consider the medication and not the tediousness of hearing her talk about it. make her a nice cup of tea/coffee. put a stool there so she can rest her weary feet and enjoy your future in your Aunt. 		2011-10-30 17:07:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Well, LBP can work like a chat room, so, I'm sure many kids have been "warned". Also, it can seriously change a conversation.

Yes, you are most likely right, but I wouldn't be too worried about. Most games are "ageist".

Age is usually only typically a question asked by little kids, and like I said, probably because their parents instructed them to do so. Don't take it personally. 		2011-10-30 18:21:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

I think its the fact that children have not been taught any red flags indicating a 'predator', and have more been taught to simply stay away from anyone over their age range, assuming that they may be one. I've been taught this, luckily I knew enough about the other -isms to make a comparison and see this isn't exactly right.
It's no different than racism, it's exactly like saying 'stay away from all dark-skinned people, because some may _________,' it makes no sense.
You're not doing anything wrong, but because you're not exactly in their age range, nothing else can really change the fact that some kids may feel unsafe, even though they really have no reason to.
Just continue playing, I love to see the last generations take interest into the technology of this generation.		2011-10-30 18:46:00

Author:
Clayton
Posts: 181

I think it's kinda understandable that old guys going onto the internet to slap young boys' sacks would raise a few eyebrows here and there....2011-10-30 18:57:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

If we're going the slightly-sketchy route for the moment...

how old are you
...

how old are you

we're six!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most of the kids are fun to play with if you don't find it creepy.		2011-11-01 01:38:00

Author:
ThisDudeRufus
Posts: 170

LBP is most definitely ageist.

The kids don't want to be hanging out with men old enough to be their dad because that just ain't cool and besides, aren't those kind of men who hang around places where kids play a bit creepy?

The adults don't want a load of rude and unappreciative kids running riot over their lovingly manicured lawns and like to keep a shotgun gun handy for the moment when those young whippersnappers inevitably stray into their yard.

LBP has a divided community, oceans apart. It's about time Mm seriously considered this dichotomy and what they're going to do about it.		2011-11-01 10:30:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I would ignore it. I wouldn't tell anyone how old I am, anyway. It's true that the majority of LBP players are either at or below adolescence years, but that doesn't necessarily mean that older individuals can't join in, either. Younger people may find it a bit suspicious if a person older than them was hanging around a playground, but people more advanced in age wouldn't find it awkward if a little child was found hanging around in a senior home. I think they just don't quite understand "stranger danger". Most are kind of taught to yell "NO!" and run away from any unfamiliar adult that approaches them. The world is a dangerous place, but not everyone and everything is out to get you. And LBP is a video game. Sure, giving out private information on the internet is very dangerous, but it's only common sense NOT to do that, right? But how many people do you meet on LBP make their age and location obvious? But you said the problem was also because they found that you were apparently "too old" for LBP.
If you're too old to play LBP, how come (and the following is very true) eight-year-olds can play Call of Duty and Left for Dead without being questioned and still make their age obvious? I personally think that it's stereotype. "Old" people play bingo and chess, "young" guys play video games all day and skateboard. That's not really true about most people. So again, I would ignore it.		2011-11-01 17:47:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

I don't want to be rude, but I honestly think that the younger people have the decision, because right now they are learning IN SCHOOL about internet safety. And lots of these people on this game are 18 and under, so when you join someone saying they're 53, Its kinda hard to be able to play with them after what you've learned. You might be a little mad about what other people think, but they are just following what they hear.2011-11-01 22:32:00

Author:
DominationMags
Posts: 1840

You can't tell the diffrence, why should they be ostrazised? You're ok if you don't know thier age?2011-11-01 22:41:00

Author:
lark98-2
Posts: 116

To be honest, yes. How many of the H4H or P4P levels do think are made by people over 20? Not very many. Besides, most of the better creators (MM picked) are older people, and as far as I know, not creapers...2011-11-02 02:26:00

Author:
Undarivik
Posts: 442

I'm 30 and when I walk down the street holding hands with my 6 year old niece I get a lot of funny looks, not suspicious looks, just... looks that are like... "I'll remember this incase I hear about any missing children".

Its pretty annoying, taking this further going into a shopping centre looking at toys or taking her to the park is really disheartening. The level of suspicion as she is clearly not my child is amazing. If she didn't run up occasionally and say things like 'buy this for me uncle Mr_Fusion" or "Watch how high I am swinging Uncy!" I'd probably get lynched after 10 mins.

I play Lego with her as well as Mario, If I met her online and didn't know of the age gap I wouldn't friend her, because we do not have anywhere near a similar skill level.

When I was 20 I had some great relationships with older men. I was learning Music engineering and we would hang out and talk sound after a gig and maybe grab a drink. The relationship is more of a mentor thing I guess, but nothing would have developed if we didn't share a common interest. Because it was real life I knew straight away that they were in their 50's and this forms the basis of how the relationship works.

Online the only identifier is similar interests, so you end up being friends with people with similar behaviours. I recently found out that one of my PSN Friends just turned 15, and was pretty shocked. His interest in the Back To The Future stuff I am building made me think he'd be over 25. (Imagine playing COD4 and learning that the top scorer was a grandmother...)

I personally wouldn't have a problem with my teenage children having someone like GribbleGrunger on their friends list, but it does come down to context. Collaborative and creative games would be fine as would competitive games (equally skilled), but I'd have a problem if they were hanging out in a game that clearly offered no reason for that interaction to take place.		2011-11-02 03:29:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

I personally don't care about the age of a player, as long as they are cool.
Even if a player is well into their 90's, they could make a good level or two!

As long as they don't hit on me. D:

I mean, I think it's cool how people can form friendships without an age problem. I've never let that control me.		2011-11-02 03:52:00

Author:
Tmjtk
Posts: 258

Besides, most of the better creators (MM picked) are ... not creapers...

You clearly haven't met any of them 		2011-11-02 09:58:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

the thing is though, every media outlet (aimed at informing the so called public) publicise social networks as potential stalking grounds for the older male. i get sick of hearing about grooming and the such when the VAST majority of people out there (just like in real life) are ordinary bods like myself.

here we are discussing the issue of ageism without a sense of exclusion, so clearly there is something more to this than simply an 'older/younger' dynamic. text is harmless, just letters forming words to express a view, there is nothing physical about it. and yet i have encountered a sudden change in attitude on divulging my age when playing LBP. why?

using HOME as an example again, i remember a women who decided to give a few 'persistent' users a shock. they would constantly hit on her with choice words, so she made a second avatar in the form of a deformed, fat man. the day of the 'experiment' she was dancing and three avatars surrounded her spouting the usual immature chat up lines. she let this continue for quite some time and when the three guys where dancing she quickly went to her menu and changed to the new avatar. immediately the guys walked away.

i find that really fascinating and yet when i tell that story people still don't understand why. 'well would you want to dance with a fat bloke?' they'd ask. but it's just an image created with polygons... it's not real! that is the fascination; that in a virtual world people react in an emotional way to a facsimile of yourself as they would emotionally in real life. this to me, is the crux of this problem too.		2011-11-02 10:48:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

First thing I thought of when I saw the title.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l37/Corporeal/dc219af1.jpg		2011-11-03 15:12:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

More power to old people + technology.
Don't act your age, act your shoe size.		2011-11-06 03:26:00

Author:
Rather Tasty
Posts: 57

More power to old people + technology.
Don't act your age, act your shoe size.

but what happens if you have big feet?		2011-11-06 04:13:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Ugh, there have been times that I wish my age sent kids running! Lol

I dont really see the problem tho, we all know the Internet has its fair share of idiots, if someone in a game does a runner after they learn ur age then ur really not missing out on great company are u?

I've little experience with particularly young players in LBP, but the few I've come across have been slap-happy kids that like to scream into the mic, so ive kinda just left... But if it went along the lines of them asking my age and they ran learning I'm twice theirs - great!!

(ps. GET OFF MY LAWN)		2011-11-07 02:28:00

Author:
Masseyf
Posts: 226

The first time I went online in LBP, I was checking out some levels. I was in one on my own and received the "allow to join" message. So I thought "why not?". So a sackbot joins, starts typing. It says "You're really pretty". I typed back "Pardon?" and he replied "No, seriously, you're hot!". My reply was "Dude, I'm 40". Then *pop*, he was gone.
Another time two kids joined me in my pod, we were having a nice little chat. Then I inadvertently mentioned my daughter decorates the pod. But they didn't flee, we had a good chat about online safety. I told the 10 year old I hope he is supervised when playing online and "chatting". He said he'd been online gaming and chatting since he was 8, and his parents don't care and don't often even know. I think kids under 12 need some sort of parental supervision when online in "chat" situations.
I don't mind playing levels with people of any age. Not that I do that often, I usually play on my own or with my kids. But generally hanging out to chat, the conversation is usually limited because adults and kids interests are generally different. Not always, but most of the time.
I've played other online virtual world games, and you'd get the haters telling me I should "get a life" and that I should be working or doing housework etc. There's no way to reason with them. To them, all older people are dull and boring and shouldn't be having fun and playing a game "which is for kids".
Generally speaking, kids and teens think because it's a video game, nobody over the age of 20 should be playing it lol		2011-11-07 03:17:00

Author:
Unknown User

Heh... this is why I don't have dive in 25. I have dove in twice. The first time it was a random guy in a random level of course and I just wanted to play through it like normal until he stopped and started talking.. "Are you a girl?" he said.. "yes" I said. Then he replied with "Do you want to be my girlfriend?" I then assumed he was a kid or young teenager so I replied with a lie of me being 30. He then said he was 29.. Which I highly doubted and left because it was annoying. The 2nd time I joined with an young girl that said she was 11. I told her that she probably shouldn't go around saying that to random people. Anyways we ended up playing a weird LBP1 level in which you had to fly around in a jetpack and pick up rats, you brought the rats into a tree and ate them.. O.o Truly bizarre experiences.. and I never dive in anymore.

I am constantly baffled by peoples maturity and intelligence. I have met children that are 12 and under that are incredibly mature and intelligent and some people that are almost twice my age and act like they are half. In all honesty it seems like great creators are usually older teens or adults, but I find it incredibly odd how many adults and older teens are unreasonable and immature.

It is the internet after all, so the vast majority of people are going to be selfish and disrespectful regardless of age. Like it's some sort of competition instead of a community.		2011-11-07 19:50:00

Author:
Dortr
Posts: 548

the thing is though, every media outlet (aimed at informing the so called public) publicise social networks as potential stalking grounds for the older male. i get sick of hearing about grooming and the such when the VAST majority of people out there (just like in real life) are ordinary bods like myself.

here we are discussing the issue of ageism without a sense of exclusion, so clearly there is something more to this than simply an 'older/younger' dynamic. text is harmless, just letters forming words to express a view, there is nothing physical about it. and yet i have encountered a sudden change in attitude on divulging my age when playing LBP. why?

using HOME as an example again, i remember a women who decided to give a few 'persistent' users a shock. they would constantly hit on her with choice words, so she made a second avatar in the form of a deformed, fat man. the day of the 'experiment' she was dancing and three avatars surrounded her spouting the usual immature chat up lines. she let this continue for quite some time and when the three guys where dancing she quickly went to her menu and changed to the new avatar. immediately the guys walked away.

i find that really fascinating and yet when i tell that story people still don't understand why. 'well would you want to dance with a fat bloke?' they'd ask. but it's just an image created with polygons... it's not real! that is the fascination; that in a virtual world people react in an emotional way to a facsimile of yourself as they would emotionally in real life. this to me, is the crux of this problem too.

dancing with a fat guy would be awesome/funny and is certainly on my bucket list but i see your point. there isnt really a solution unless it took a photo of you and recreated it. but then nobody would use it because they would feel inscure.. which brings us back to the beginning. its the sickos who became pedofiles in the first place that ruined everything, once the media swooped down and picked up the scoop the future of online young/old relationships was doomed.		2011-11-07 20:01:00

Author:
nerzdadestroyer
Posts: 1527

LBP is most definitely ageist.

The kids don't want to be hanging out with men old enough to be their dad because that just ain't cool and besides, aren't those kind of men who hang around places where kids play a bit creepy?

The adults don't want a load of rude and unappreciative kids running riot over their lovingly manicured lawns and like to keep a shotgun gun handy for the moment when those young whippersnappers inevitably stray into their yard.

LBP has a divided community, oceans apart. It's about time Mm seriously considered this dichotomy and what they're going to do about it.

I wouldn't blame the game for this so much as the ignorance of the individuals in question. In any case, what on earth can Mm do about how ignorant people are? I'm sure they're overjoyed that people of ALL ages are enjoying their game, and probably feel it's a shame that there are so many who discriminate due to age.

But as divided as the LBP community may appear, it's probably the strongest gaming community on the web to date; I see so many people helping each other out, making tutorials selflessly for the benefit of others, helping them to learn and grow as Creators, helping them get all story level prizes etc etc.

Unfortunately, we can't stop idiots from buying and playing the game, but in any community this is the case. There's not really a lot Mm could do that I can think of that would solve the problem. Where there are humans, there is opinion, and where there is opinion there will always be a divide.

Oh well! Much love!

RF		2011-11-08 09:56:00

Author:
RainbowtipsFort
Posts: 144

moved to another post2011-11-08 18:50:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I wouldn't blame the game for this so much as the ignorance of the individuals in question. In any case, what on earth can Mm do about how ignorant people are?

Simple. A separate 18+ server, no kids allowed.

The kids have their space and the adults have theirs. Everybody's happy.		2011-11-08 19:31:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Ungreth...So would that mean I couldn't play your levels? D:
Or Would a Created level be available to both, or what?!
Would that also mean that if i had friends that i played with in the other bracket..I couldn't Play or create OR SHARE with them?
I'm Scared now...		2011-11-08 19:37:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

Ageism exists in the real world, it's just online people think because they are hiding behind their computers they can actually SAY what they are thinking. I do roller skating/roller derby, and when I go to a general skating session at the rink with my kids, a lot of the kids look at you with that "Why are YOU skating?" look. But they don't come up to me and tell me to my face that I am "too old" to being do a "kids activity", because that would be rude and bad manners. Online, people are happy to blurt out their opinions. With the exception of my brother, who, when finding out I was skating (and I'm talking old school roller skates, not inline/rollerblades), said "What are you, 12?"
But kids have a very different opinion of what adults should be doing, and also some adults think the same way. I have adult friends and relatives, similar age and older, who tihnk it's "not normal" to be doing "kids stuff" at my age. These are the same people that don't do anything exciting for fear of what other people will think of them.
I'd rather people think I'm weird or silly or childish for doing the stuff I do, rather than miss out on all that fun.
Gribble, it would be interesting to see if they thought the same way if you said you were female. Besides, pedophiles don't go on the Internet and tell people their real age. They should be more concerned about the "new friend" they just made who claims to be 12 and asking them where they live.		2011-11-08 22:20:00

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Seriously most of my friends are way smarter than me and when it turns out they're 16 or something I'm like WHAT I wish I hadn't wasted my childhood playing videogames and studied more.2011-11-08 22:50:00

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Ayneh
Posts: 2454

Personally, I'm pretty young, but I act way more mature than other kids in online situations.

Heck, the other day there was a pretty young kid with a microphone (I have one, but don't use it) and he kept asking me yes or no questions, and if I didn't answer in like 2 seconds, he'd ask "Yes or No?!" It continued for quite awhile and was getting annoying.

I almost wanted to say that I didn't have a microphone so I need to type, and that takes a bit, but I was afraid he'd get upset.

Personally I don't mind kids being on LBP, but when they start getting annoying, I almost want to scream at them.		2011-11-08 23:37:00

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Unknown User

I need to type, and that takes a bit
Its normal to hake your head for yes and no.

But man, you people know how to treat kids, I'm tempted to drive them crazy.		2011-11-09 03:32:00

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ThisDudeRufus
Posts: 170

Simple. A separate 18+ server, no kids allowed.

The kids have their space and the adults have theirs. Everybody's happy.

But then you'd just get kids posing as adults, and you wind up with pretty much the same problem, as well as whatever other problems might arise from having a separate 18+ server. Remember, on the web people can pretty much be whatever age they want to! This applies to kids as well.		2011-11-09 06:42:00

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RainbowtipsFort
Posts: 144

But then you'd just get kids posing as adults, and you wind up with pretty much the same problem, as well as whatever other problems might arise from having a separate 18+ server. Remember, on the web people can pretty much be whatever age they want to! This applies to kids as well.

You get kids buying 18+ games and videos, but it's the kids who are flaunting the law in that case, not the movie/games producers. Same with LBP. If kids somehow access an 18+ server, at least it's a disclaimer for Mm that the kids are breaking the rules, not the creators who produce adult content. The arguement then stands that parents should keep better supervision over their youngsters, not that creators should self-censor on behalf of a younger audience who shouldn't be playing those levels anyway.		2011-11-09 08:48:00

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Ungreth
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Yeah, adult servers don't work well. Even if you had to age verify somehow, kids would still get on their parents accounts. It's like anything. Facebook is 13+ , but I know a ton of kids who are a LOT younger with accounts on there who just put in a fake birthdate. I'm pretty strict with stuff like that. My boys (aged 9 and 12) are not allowed to play games like COD and God of War etc because of unsuitable content. They do play M games as long as there is not rude stuff, swearing etc, and it's M for "fanstasy violence". They both play Infamous and they have played Star Wars games etc that are M.2011-11-09 12:02:00

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You get kids buying 18+ games and videos, but it's the kids who are flaunting the law in that case, not the movie/games producers. Same with LBP. If kids somehow access an 18+ server, at least it's a disclaimer for Mm that the kids are breaking the rules, not the creators who produce adult content. The arguement then stands that parents should keep better supervision over their youngsters, not that creators should self-censor on behalf of a younger audience who shouldn't be playing those levels anyway.

It's a fine argument to be sure, and you do have a point. But it still doesn't stop the idiots from being idiots; like said, that's not something that can be stopped, certainly not with ease. I understand that wasn't your point, but that's essentially what this whole discussion boils down to: people being ignorant and idiotic.

But also, perhaps Mm just want to have that control as to what kind of image they want LBP to maintain, and maybe they don't think there should be any age limit; that we should all get to play the same fantastic levels.

It is unfortunate that the few can spoil it for the many, but the community in general is actually pretty well behaved.

Oh, and I loved your levels by the way! 		2011-11-09 15:41:00

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RainbowtipsFort
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But also, perhaps Mm just want to have that control as to what kind of image they want LBP to maintain, and maybe they don't think there should be any age limit; that we should all get to play the same fantastic levels.


On the contrary...Mm have said that they would like to launch an exclusive server for mature content. LBP Filth was the conceptual title. They felt that Sony would never go for the idea though and that it would probably never happen. However, rumour is that their reported "break from LBP" has been taken to work on a new play/share/create title that will cater for the adult demographic.		2011-11-09 18:28:00

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Ungreth
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It's pretty funny even 18+ games today are much more sanitised and subtle than games used to be. I haven't played or seen any modern game that was half as violent or indecent as some of the amiga games I used to play. I mean, when people say adult themes now they more often than not just mean something sleazy or inappropriate.2011-11-09 19:36:00

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Ayneh
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I think a +16 or +15 server would be more convenient than a +18 server. It would allow us much more freedom, but it'd still be strict enough so that we wouldn't be invaded by thousands of "GENITALIA AND SEXUAL INTERCOURSE LOLOLOL" levels spammed by kids everywhere.2011-11-09 19:50:00

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SnipySev
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we wouldn't be invaded by thousands of "GENITALIA AND SEXUAL INTERCOURSE LOLOLOL" levels spammed by kids everywhere.

Isn't that why we wanted an adult server in the first place??		2011-11-09 20:33:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

Isn't that why we wanted an adult server in the first place??

LOL i thought of making deep movies about war and love loss but go ahead.		2011-11-09 20:38:00

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nerzdadestroyer
Posts: 1527

Isn't that why we wanted an adult server in the first place??

I thought we wanted an adult server for mature stuff. Sex and nudity for the sake of sex and nudity is anything but mature.		2011-11-09 20:54:00

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SnipySev
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quite, pretty sure it was a half joke but hay 2011-11-09 21:44:00

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nerzdadestroyer
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On the contrary...Mm have said that they would like to launch an exclusive server for mature content. LBP Filth was the conceptual title. They felt that Sony would never go for the idea though and that it would probably never happen. However, rumour is that their reported "break from LBP" has been taken to work on a new play/share/create title that will cater for the adult demographic.

Wow, I never knew that! That'd be pretty cool, but to be honest I could live without it; this game satisfies my creating needs for the time being!		2011-11-10 00:53:00

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RainbowtipsFort
Posts: 144

Its normal to hake your head for yes and no.

But man, you people know how to treat kids, I'm tempted to drive them crazy.

Well, I was on the controller because I was trying to pick a level.		2011-11-10 01:35:00

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Unknown User

Isn't that why we wanted an adult server in the first place??


I thought we wanted an adult server for mature stuff. Sex and nudity for the sake of sex and nudity is anything but mature.

Sarcasm - a form of irony which uses sharp wit to highlight the obviousness, stupidity, or annoyance-factor of a situation. I know it's harder to convey this on an internet forum without the benefit of a facial expression or tone of voice, but I think it was pretty obvious in this case that rtm WAS JOKING!!! 		2011-11-10 08:27:00

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Ungreth
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Sarcasm - a form of irony which uses sharp wit to highlight the obviousness, stupidity, or annoyance-factor of a situation. I know it's harder to convey this on an internet forum without the benefit of a facial expression or tone of voice, but I think it was pretty obvious in this case that rtm WAS JOKING!!!

Yeah, I know it already. But keep rubbing it in, I like it when people make me feel like an idiot 		2011-11-10 12:50:00

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SnipySev
Posts: 2452

I like it when people make me feel like an idiot

So this one is sarcasm, right? 		2011-11-10 13:38:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

or is it irony?2011-11-10 13:48:00

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GribbleGrunger
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Maybe a bit of both. Sometimes I feel like sacrasm and irony overlap. Mostly sarcasm though 2011-11-10 14:08:00

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SnipySev
Posts: 2452

lol...... this conversations changed.... for the better. lets stop pretending we know all and chat about the English language2011-11-10 16:35:00

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nerzdadestroyer
Posts: 1527

So this one is sarcasm, right?

Slightly relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLc8RIdRzio).		2011-11-14 18:38:00

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Antikris
Posts: 1340

i didn't intend this to be disingenuous towards LBP in general, i do appreciate that this phenomena does extend beyond our little big planet... and you are correct of course, there is nothing MM could do to alleviate the problem, although i suppose (and i'm not suggesting this should be done) you could have an age filter in the search options. i certainly think MM should introduce an official ratings system for levels such as 'suitable for under 16' and 'suitable for over 16'. that would appease many and cover any legal problems further down the line for Sony and MM and would 'hopefully' lead to less levels getting deleted... but i digress.

i do think it's linked to something i spoke of earlier in the thread. the fact that you begin to associate a person with their avatar and they take on a pseudo personality that bridges the gap between the real and the virtual. our senses are programmed to react in certain ways and regardless of how those senses are stimulated it's difficult for us to not react in a virtual world how we would 'think' we should act in a real world. the crux i believe is 'think'.

we are conditioned to stop and start, pause and continue in real life by signs that flash and warn or bar entirely. these conditions are largely missing from online in general so i believe people tend to opt for a rather black and white alternative to protect themselves against the 'potential' threats. those potential threats are a very small minority but the media often give the impression that they are the norm.

a teacher for instance is automatically accepted by a parent or child as an authoritative figure and so there are very seldom any concerns with a child/adult relationship in a school environment. when i was a child there was little if no paranoia involved with age differences and so i would mix and talk to older men and younger children with no sense of it being wrong, but now that is no longer the case and the world is less wise because of it, which of course feeds the beast further.

earlier on in this thread, Ostler5000 used language that seemed to verify that divide and offer definite proof of how youngsters pigeon-hole the elderly, but on reflection i have reconsidered my stance slightly. perhaps he is right, perhaps it's us, the older people, that are largely to blame. i mentioned that the real world reactions are effecting the virtual reaction so i can't cherry pick for my own argument. we chop down trees because one child in a hundred years got attacked at a certain point where those trees made the place darker. we warn them not to climb and investigate and adventure like we did as children. we teach them not to learn by experience and so leave them no alternative but to follow the crowd.		2012-04-03 15:11:00

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GribbleGrunger
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i do think it's linked to something i spoke of earlier in the thread. the fact that you begin to associate a person with their avatar and they take on a pseudo personality that bridges the gap between the real and the virtual.

Hi kids. I'm so cute and cuddly. Why don't y'all just come over to my pod and snuggle up with Ungy?

I won't bite...I promise! 		2012-04-05 22:39:00

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Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I have the same probblem some what,I'm 24 and seem to all ways run in to judge mintal people or kids.

Like if im wearing a femail costume then i must be a femail.Whats up with the costume.:O Duess it bother you im some what different lol.


After 2 years i look over what people think of me.I'm nown as Monrow now lol.

People all ways thought i was to old lol but iv played games for ever there apart of me your never to old for video games.		2012-04-06 16:04:00

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Lbphart3
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I've never played online much in LBP. I'm 42 now.... was 39 when I first purchased LBP for my son.... and ended up loving it. We both still play it.

Anyhoo... a few years ago I got a crown for working on the "Logic Pack" in LBP1. I was all excited to go online and show it off. I had a sticker of my son's face on my sackboy face... from when he was 4 years old. I went online and was playing through a level with 3 other sackpeople, wearing my new crown.

At one point a sackperson typed "that's a cute sticker" I typed back "Thanks. That's a picture of my son".

There was a pause..... then the sackperson typed back "Wait - how old ARE you?".

I typed "40". IMMEDIATELY ** Blip **... booted from the game.

I suddenly felt SOOOO old! That was the last time I played with random people online....

Is LBP ageist? Not sure. I think certainly there's a perception that if someone is a certain age, maybe they shouldn't be playing it. Not sure if anyone thinks I'm out of line by playing it.... but, I think it's important to remember something:

Pong came out in the mid 70's. I got that, as well as an Atari 2600 a bit later. So, even though I may "seem" old - I grew up on video games. Played classic games when I was a kid in the arcade. It's a form of entertainment I got used to and enjoy, just like watching movies or playing sports.

LBP has content for all ages, but stays pretty clean in general. It's full of the ability to express imagination instead of simply participating in someone else's imagination. Personally, I think of it as "ageless". But, that experience of being booted because of my age made me feel like I was out of line simply playing a game like everyone else. I'm not sure how widespread this perception is, but it certainly discouraged me from playing "in the sandbox" with the other sackpeople.		2012-04-06 18:01:00

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CCubbage
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I've never played online much in LBP. I'm 42 now.... was 39 when I first purchased LBP for my son.... and ended up loving it. We both still play it.

Anyhoo... a few years ago I got a crown for working on the "Logic Pack" in LBP1. I was all excited to go online and show it off. I had a sticker of my son's face on my sackboy face... from when he was 4 years old. I went online and was playing through a level with 3 other sackpeople, wearing my new crown.

At one point a sackperson typed "that's a cute sticker" I typed back "Thanks. That's a picture of my son".

There was a pause..... then the sackperson typed back "Wait - how old ARE you?".

I typed "40". IMMEDIATELY ** Blip **... booted from the game.

I suddenly felt SOOOO old! That was the last time I played with random people online....

Is LBP ageist? Not sure. I think certainly there's a perception that if someone is a certain age, maybe they shouldn't be playing it. Not sure if anyone thinks I'm out of line by playing it.... but, I think it's important to remember something:

Pong came out in the mid 70's. I got that, as well as an Atari 2600 a bit later. So, even though I may "seem" old - I grew up on video games. Played classic games when I was a kid in the arcade. It's a form of entertainment I got used to and enjoy, just like watching movies or playing sports.

LBP has content for all ages, but stays pretty clean in general. It's full of the ability to express imagination instead of simply participating in someone else's imagination. Personally, I think of it as "ageless". But, that experience of being booted because of my age made me feel like I was out of line simply playing a game like everyone else. I'm not sure how widespread this perception is, but it certainly discouraged me from playing "in the sandbox" with the other sackpeople.

I enjoy playing with more mature people- as older people tend to be- as they often just have better insight playing levels, giving feedback, and are more patient amongst other things. But I can see how some kids would want to play with like wise kids as they can both, for lack of better term, be immature together. There is also an unfortunate perception that older people in games are predators of some sort, or just weirdos as you said and "Shouldn't be playing". This stems from the "Dont talk to strangers" line fed to kids, and with good reason. They are familiar with other kids through experience, but older people cause them uncertainty. Maybe thats part of the reason, just my .02.

I was pretty sure it was common opinion older people make the game so much better, a lot of the best are over 20.		2012-04-06 19:21:00

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Jrange378
Posts: 573

... booted from the game.

well people will boot you from the game for all kinds of selfish reasons if you are playing with random people. it's never a good idea to play with random people on LBP who are not at least a friend of one of your friends. the best LBP friends you can make normally are ones from LBP forums. sure you can make some non forum friends too. but it's a lot of hit or miss. anyways going back on people who boot others for selfish reasons. some people will boot you from the game if they find out you are a gender they don't like. there are a lot of odd people out there. and to be honest i would not want to be friends with someone who judges to much. to me age never mattered when it came to making friend, though I do enjoy playing with people who are 18 or older normally more. but that's just because it's harder to find young people who act mature. anyways LBP is indeed a ageless game really, just like a lot of E rated games. to be honest i don't like blood & pain & heavy dark dry stories in M games. it always surprised me how there are people out there who think a person past 18 who plays something that is not rated M is mess up in the head. some-people just don't understand how things work. age rating don't mean you should only be playing games that are rated close to you age, it just means you should be at least as old or older as the rating on the box before playing. and in the end of the day you just gotta enjoy what you enjoy. *mew		2012-04-06 19:42:00

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Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

excellent post, CCubbage.2012-04-06 19:44:00

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GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

I have been playing lbp since 2010. I love it. Its really odd though, im not old, im actually pretty young, but i think it is much more enjoyable to play with the older people, and listen to what they say. You usually learn a good bit, and they are not annoying and rude like a lot of people I have met. And anytime I join somebody that just truly is trying to get at me, well that is what the return to pod button is for. I create more now, though. Really everybody on my friends list is pretty nice, or else they would not have been added in the first place. And the media? I dont even watch the news much anymore on TV. Its ridiculous. Usually you either get a channel swayed towards one side, or completely wrong and thinking they are correct. thats why I love the internet. you can enjoy yourself, but if people start getting annoying, angry for no real reason, or just plain hate you, you can always leave, and never talk to the guy again. Oh and for those that are annoyed at the kids mics, go to [START]>Settings>Voice CHat>Pause chat. That turns off voice chat, so everybody you join cant hear you, and you cant hear them. LBP is a great game, but honestly, you just have to act like yourself. If you go on lbp trying to make friends ( i mean by trying to act as nice as you can, fooling people), then the friends that you make aren't real friends, they just added you because they think you are something that you are not. That is what these kids do not understand. (Most) of them are too busy being rude to their parents, so their parents are afraid to say anything to them. I actually have a cousin like that, and it is really not fun to be around him. just my 2 cents, as usual. 2012-04-06 21:07:00

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StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

It FEELS wrong as a 37 year old man playing with kids online, and if something FEELS wrong then it probably IS wrong.

I know if I saw my kids playing with an adult stranger, my internal alarm bells would start ringing. I'd be thinking, why the heck would a grown man want to hang out with my children unless he's some kind of predatory weirdo? If I find out that a newly accepted friend on PSN is actually only 13 or 14 years old, I suddenly feel very self conscious. I see this mental image of myself standing in a playground wearing a long brown overcoat and sandals...one hand jingling the loose change in my pocket...frothy spittle dribbling down my bearded chin.

Basically, I feel as though I am doing something that is a huge social taboo and that it's my moral duty to tell these kids "hey look...no offense but I'm a bit old to be playing with someone of your age...bye." I occasionally make a rare exception when a young friend seems particularly mature for their age, but I generally do my best to keep the kids off my lawn. Here is my current LBP profile statement....


Ungreth is leader of the notorious cannibal cult known as Quod Tu Es Ego Edere. He vanished in 2009, wanted in connection with the disappearances of 23 hikers in the Blackwater Hills. Do NOT approach this man or attempt to feed him! If you see him then you are advised to make your way to a safe public area and contact your local law enforcement immediately.

If that doesn't scare 'em away then probably nothing will...		2012-04-06 23:00:00

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Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I don't think there is real age limit for LBP. I love this game and I feel quite good playing it, and i'm far from young. I have a few friends of similar age and several mature teens, all non-formum players. I don't accept friendship if I'm not sure what kind of a player offers it.
During these two years I realized that age is not crucial for the behavior, I have met players who are in a large detachment of their age, in both directions. Some are even in conflict with their gender. But there are a lot of good and fun people too. One needs just to carefully choose a good company and fun is guaranteed, forget the ages.		2012-04-08 14:08:00

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goranilic
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Hi kids. I'm so cute and cuddly. Why don't y'all just come over to my pod and snuggle up with Ungy?

I won't bite...I promise!

Be afraid, be VERY afraid.
I've seen....		2012-04-09 01:33:00

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Lady_Luck__777
Posts: 3458

LBP has content for all ages, but stays pretty clean in general. It's full of the ability to express imagination instead of simply participating in someone else's imagination. Personally, I think of it as "ageless".
^This

Publishers can make the decision to push a project to be inoffensive and entirely non-discriminatory with the sole objective of making a product appropriate for everyone and anyone. LBP seems to be pretty much a tool to get you to purchase every peripheral sony has to offer! It just so happens this game's suite of creative tools and engine are so freaking awesome that game lovers of any age with any desire to create something of their own, LBP lets you do it!



If I find out that a newly accepted friend on PSN is actually only 13 or 14 years old, I suddenly feel very self conscious. I see this mental image of myself standing in a playground wearing a long brown overcoat and sandals...

hahaha, thats all kinds of wrong ^_^' ... Sandals...		2012-04-13 12:09:00

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Masseyf
Posts: 226

If I find out that a newly accepted friend on PSN is actually only 13 or 14 years old, I suddenly feel very self conscious. I see this mental image of myself standing in a playground wearing a long brown overcoat and sandals...one hand jingling the loose change in my pocket...frothy spittle dribbling down my bearded chin.


Yeah I get the bad vides when that happens too, but then I thought about it from the weird old guy's perspective...imagine that he sent me an invite thinking I was younger only to find out that I am an adult too...I wonder if he gets weirded out. 		2012-04-19 04:02:00

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celsus
Posts: 822

It's not ageism. Kids are just doing what we've taught them. It's a good thing.2012-04-20 10:56:00

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Kiminski
Posts: 545

Yeah I get the bad vides when that happens too, but then I thought about it from the weird old guy's perspective...imagine that he sent me an invite thinking I was younger only to find out that I am an adult too...I wonder if he gets weirded out.

There was this one guy who booed my Sackleships level, fairly because it was broken. I befriended him so he could help me identify the problem and fix it. When it was done, he asked me how old I was (25 at the time), he was 14. He said he had to delete me because of my age.		2012-04-20 11:52:00

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Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

It's not ageism. Kids are just doing what we've taught them. It's a good thing.

I's it well then..Its good that kids these days will insult you on what you wear and,If your a boy then,You have to wear boy costumes and if your a girl then you have to wear girl costumes,...Is that what you teach your children?

I'm sorry im 24 years old and can dress my sack any way i like lol...Iv had to delete a lot of people cose they seem to think that i need to wear a dress code going by what i am,.And i find this very much insulting.!		2012-04-20 16:14:00

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Lbphart3
Posts: 813

I's it well then..Its good that kids these days will insult you on what you wear and,If your a boy then,You have to wear boy costumes and if your a girl then you have to wear girl costumes,...Is that what you teach your children?

I'm sorry im 24 years old and can dress my sack any way i like lol...Iv had to delete a lot of people cose they seem to think that i need to wear a dress code going by what i am,.And i find this very much insulting.!

Huh?! What?! I was referring to the OP lol. I think it's good that kids are wary of older people on the internet.

I'm sorry you're getting bullied by children for wearing a dress. Sounds awful!		2012-04-20 17:28:00

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Kiminski
Posts: 545

Huh?! What?! I was referring to the OP lol. I think it's good that kids are wary of older people on the internet.

I'm sorry you're getting bullied by children for wearing a dress. Sounds awful!

53 years of struggle and strife and i'm reduced to 'OP'!		2012-04-20 22:07:00

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GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

53 years of struggle and strife and i'm reduced to 'OP'!

OP = Older Player? lol		2012-04-20 22:12:00

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jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

OP = Older Player? lol

i might have wobbly legs, teeth provided by the NHS and more hair up my nose and in my ears than on my head, but i can still play games with the best of them! well, that's not strictly true... it isn't easy playing on this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mgBSDxSBS1o/TwTFCRIZbKI/AAAAAAAAAmI/luv8GQV4mnE/s1600/old-tv-set.jpg		2012-04-20 22:19:00

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GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

If I find out that a newly accepted friend on PSN is actually only 13 or 14 years old, I suddenly feel very self conscious. I see this mental image of myself standing in a playground wearing a long brown overcoat and sandals...one hand jingling the loose change in my pocket...frothy spittle dribbling down my bearded chin.


If that doesn't scare 'em away then probably nothing will...

*Suddenly remembers past conversation with ungreth*		2012-04-20 22:21:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

53 years of struggle and strife and i'm reduced to 'OP'!

Original Post. 		2012-04-20 23:36:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

The worst thing is when you find out someone way better at creating than you is, like, half your age.2012-04-21 22:04:00

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Ayneh
Posts: 2454

Lol sometimes when the age conversation comes up I would tell people I am 17, and they say I'm old. Sometimes they are joking but seriously, the people who say that are like only a few years younger than me at 13-16. It's not that big of a difference but oh well. This thread is definitely an interesting subject.2012-04-23 02:05:00

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Blackbeltnick95
Posts: 129

53 years of struggle and strife and i'm reduced to 'OP'!

Hi.
I'm 40+ too, and I love LBP. 		2012-04-27 04:33:00

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Lord_Vile71
Posts: 60

Hi.
I'm 40+ too, and I love LBP.

lol. they say that LBP is detailed, but we got REAL textures! luckily i'm short sighted so my face is auto aliased when i look in the mirror		2012-04-27 05:18:00

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GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

It is misleading to know that you are 53 with your grammar and your rather unconstructive rant on something else earlier.2012-04-27 23:16:00

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Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

It is misleading to know that you are 53 with your grammar and your rather unconstructive rant on something else earlier.

depends on what mood i'm in and what voice i choose. what 'rant' would that be?		2012-04-28 00:36:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Ok dude, I'm not gonna lie to you here. But it does sound a little weird for someone of your age to be playing a game like this. Now I'm not being ageist or anything, but alot of people don't expect older people to play this game. I'm sure if a kid were to play bingo, alot of old people would look at him and ask why he plays bingo so much... But, I really don't care what age anyone is, this game is E for EVERYONE. All people have rights to play this game. Now if someone tried to stalk me and ask my personal info, then that's another story.2012-05-10 21:36:00

Author:
zzmorg82
Posts: 948

lol. they say that LBP is detailed, but we got REAL textures! luckily i'm short sighted so my face is auto aliased when i look in the mirror

lol
Luckily, I'm still pretty smooth-faced.
But my hairline is waaaaaay back. 		2012-05-11 02:30:00

Author:
Lord_Vile71
Posts: 60

Today I played a bomb survival with 5 year old boy (friends friend). He asked me how old am I, and I answer 97. "Really?" he asked. "Yes, indeed !" answered. His reaction surprised me: "cool !" and he continued to play with me.2012-05-13 19:09:00

Author:
goranilic
Posts: 332

Ok dude, I'm not gonna lie to you here. But it does sound a little weird for someone of your age to be playing a game like this. Now I'm not being ageist or anything, but alot of people don't expect older people to play this game. I'm sure if a kid were to play bingo, alot of old people would look at him and ask why he plays bingo so much... But, I really don't care what age anyone is, this game is E for EVERYONE. All people have rights to play this game. Now if someone tried to stalk me and ask my personal info, then that's another story.

i have nothing but admiration for your honesty. of course i would argue the complete opposite though. If you look at LBP superficially (and i'm not saying even that justifies this misconception) you could appear childish. but it's not childish and neither am i, because i make a distinction between childish and childlike -- of which i am sometimes the latter. it's worth noting, if you are young, that there is absolutely no reason at all to adopt the behaviour of the archetypical 'adult'... in fact i would go as far as saying that doing so is weak and a possible indication that you are 'childish'. I respect the seed of who I am, the essence of my being. I embrace all experience without judgement or relativity. I am what i was as a child but more so. It takes a real man to understand that IMO


Today I played a bomb survival with 5 year old boy (friends friend). He asked me how old am I, and I answer 97. "Really?" he asked. "Yes, indeed !" answered. His reaction surprised me: "cool !" and he continued to play with me.

just take a close look at that, goranilic. do you see how modernity has fashioned your process of thinking through the fear of being judged? this is the heart of the matter. we are being inadvertently controlled to consider the implications simply because those implications are advertised through the media as negative. there are no implications. you just played a game with a 5 year old child.

and before ANYONE questions that, think carefully and question yourself first

the other day i was coming home from the shop and a little girl spoke to me (she was about 10 i think). it was out of the blue but i didn't feel wrong talking to her. she told me that she'd seen a needle on the floor. i told her not to touch it. she then asked me if i wanted her to show me where it was. i said ok and began walking in the direction she was. after about 10 paces i asked where it was and she pointed ahead of us. i suddenly felt uncomfortable because i was walking with a 10 year old girl... even though i was chatting to her as a father would talk to is own daughter, even i couldn't overcome the planted implications of my actions. that made me both sad and angry inside. how dare these media people destroy the very nature of society? how dare these people take away the joy of talking to a young soul that could have benefited from a few wise words? having not found that needle, i made my excuses and left.

some people will never be able to see through the smokescreen of fear the media want to perpetuate and they will inevitably consider that scene worrisome... but in reality, it's NOT.		2012-05-19 12:37:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

LBP is comepletely ageist if I can't get into the beta because of my age.2012-05-19 15:21:00

Author:
Valeview
Posts: 1581

Hiiiiiii...I'mmm Chrriiissssss Haansseeenn...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKUkwh8TmM0		2012-05-19 20:53:00

Author:
Kalawishis
Posts: 928

depends on what mood i'm in and what voice i choose. what 'rant' would that be?

Your idea/rant. https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=68454-Sony-Licence-to-print-money&p=987929#post987929		2012-05-19 23:36:00

Author:
Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

some people will never be able to see through the smokescreen of fear the media want to perpetuate and they will inevitably consider that scene worrisome... but in reality, it's NOT.

I agree with you when it comes to adults. This is how people may see it.
For kids, I think it's more likely they won't care as they don't "know better" for lack of better phrasology. But if they are uncomforable its likely to be just that they can't see what fun or whatever could come from hangin' with an adult.
Either way, I can agree that you're right in this situation.		2012-05-20 04:10:00

Author:
xxMATEOSxx
Posts: 1787

I've noticed most true creators on this game or in most things that take a lot of work are over 20. it's not surprising at all. you need most of the time need the years of experience to create great levels/games/art, ETC. we are not born with tons of skill and knowledge. I think most kids would be really surprised about to find out how many adults create on this game. and how many of their fave levels are made by them. to many people read the label wrong. E don't mean only kids. E means any and everyone for all ages. don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't enjoy. *mew
Well first off, fumetsusozo, I don't think age necessarily determines your skill level, it's like saying that Asians are better at creating levels or saying girls are not good creators, everyone is different. I became a pretty good creator in an all of the sudden type situation. I was an average Little Big Planet player who was not the best creator but I loved to play the game and have fun. I met an amazing creator named Dreadsrose2118 and he basically helped me and taught me everything I know about creating now. He taught me many techniques that helped me become a very good creator, and I'm not just some teenager who thinks they are good at Little Big Planet but they are not as much. I have been told I am a good creator as well, I also have noticed that the game becomes less enjoyable when you improve in creating, because it is less fun. When you start off as a beginner in Little Big Planet It is so much fun to just play levels with friends, but when you have talent and know what to look for you are less entertained the majority of the time. Now back to the subject at hand. The person who taught me how to create is 16 and he is one of the best creators I have ever met. If you are thinking that the only reason younger players are any good at creating is because they were taught then I would like you to talk to Dreadsrose2118 because he taught himself how to create over time the old fashion way, Although he might have had a few tips here and there, that is not the point. My point is regardless of your age, you are here to play this game, and if you want to help someone else enjoy this game then by all means do so.
I apologize for rambling on like an idiot but this is an argument I am passionate about. Also, If I have offended anyone, I apologize as well, I was simply trying to make a statement and add to the conversation.
Thank you for reading through. Have a nice day 		2012-05-24 00:10:00

Author:
Unknown User

I think the media is to blame. At school and on TV, we are constantly told of stories of pervs, when really, most of the older people playing lbp are just as nice as everyone else. If not nicer. At least they don't steal your work and take credit for it. I personally don't ask for age and wouldn't give out my age, it's been drilled into my brain that I shouldn't give out personal information on the internet, and it just seems like betraying myself to do so......2012-06-06 20:33:00

Author:
bluesteel789
Posts: 159


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