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So i played a friend's level today, i'm going to be honest, it was terrible. No music. The defualt ground was still visible. Obviously rushed. HAd very little effort. Now I like the dude, he's funny and all, but i didnt have the HEART to rate down his level. (Pun) And when he asked me what i thought about it, i lied and said it was good. Now i'm thinking if that was the right choice. So do you rate down friends level?

2011-10-13 00:47:00 Author: fighterwindplus Posts: 403

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Is this a friend you know in real life, or a friend you just know online? If the former I'd tell them what I thought of it, I mean they're your friend. I wouldn't rate down though, I'd leave it neutral if I didn't like it, but if it was crap I'd tell them it was crap. If the latter, well that's iffy because there's that weird awkwardness of not really knowing someone properly and I probably would lie about it to avoid any awkwardness. Then again I only have people on my friends list who I know in real life to avoid this exact kind of awkwardness!

2011-10-13 01:00:00 Author: Xaif Posts: 365

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I agree with Xaif, it depends on if you know your friend in real life, or just on PSN. I sometimes rate down my friend's levels, but only if they're like "CROWN GIVEAWAY GLITCH!" bad. I usually leave it neutral, so they wouldn't get suspicious.

2011-10-13 01:07:00 Author: FEAR Posts: 337

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I would never rate down a friends level. Instead, I would try to give some constructive criticism; lighthearted suggestions on ways they could improve it. That's what friends are for

2011-10-13 01:15:00 Author: xero Posts: 2419

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Heavens above, NO! I would NEVER rate down a friends level, no matter how awful I thought it was. What sort of friend would do that?

2011-10-13 03:36:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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What is this "rating down" thing you speak of? I tend to grade on a curve, then derate the value using a fractional random number generator (for fairness, since it's random), then add 5 stars and convert the result to an emoticon. So far, every level I've played in LBP2 has achieved a smiley face. As for my friends, I spill the beans, hold nothing back, am as candid as can be, then I summarize those thoughts in writing which results in "Awesome level! Well done! BRAVO!". In other words, I establish a reasonable standard and stick to it.

2011-10-13 03:53:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567

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i barely ever rate down any level. Why would anyone even consider downrating a "friend's" level? This is just my opinion, but only bitter people boo levels unless there is some egregious flaw in it that was put there on purpose. I honestly don't even think I could boo a level if someone just published an empty one; certainly not one from someone I know. If it bugs you, say something. If he asks, be honest. Just keep in mind that you would never say "yes" if your girlfriend asked you if she looks fat. Sometimes a little white lie is the way to go.

2011-10-13 04:03:00 Author: tdarb Posts: 689

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I would not rate the level at all but tell him it felt rushed ect, surely your friend won't be mad a that.

2011-10-13 04:16:00 Author: jimydog000 Posts: 813

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I would never rate a friend's level down. As it's already been said, I would speak with them privately about it. Friends just don't do that imo.

2011-10-13 05:04:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458

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I would never rate a friend's level down. As it's already been said, I would speak with them privately about it. Friends just don't do that imo. I'm with you on this. You either rate it up still or just leave it neutral then talk privately. Most of my friends know that if it's not a smiley face, then I don't like it... If I don't smiley face, then they ask me what's wrong with it. And I tell them the truth. But this is in private! Never give them the humiliation of having a friend boo their level in public.

2011-10-13 05:26:00 Author: Speedynutty68 Posts: 1614

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That this is a discussion says a lot about how strongly and differently we are conditioned to behave on social networks! :O

2011-10-13 05:45:00 Author: Unknown User

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I'd be brutally honest and downrate it. I have only a few set rules that will result in me downrating (Shared by many of you, I'm sure.) and in the event the level breaks one of those rules, then, yeah, the level likely warranted a downrate. I only tend to hang with at least moderately experienced players, anyways, and my friends from other games/wherever else who only play LBP once in a blue moon, normally don't ever use the creator enough to publish anything. I'd rather rate properly and offer advice and assistance, than basicly be a patronising git. My friends are not 6 year olds showing me their pasta drawings, they know themselves if and when their work is perhaps in need of work, and can deal with the constructive critism.

2011-10-13 12:37:00 Author: Ostler5000 Posts: 1017

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I'd say your not doing anyone any favors by lying to them. Don't matter if it's a friend or not. Just tell him it's not great, and offer some constructive feedback. Even if it's you telling him to start from scratch. Maybe he'll get mad, or maybe he'll take it in stride. At any rate, at least your showing some integrity.

2011-10-13 12:45:00 Author: smasher Posts: 641

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I'd say your not doing anyone any favors by lying to them. Don't matter if it's a friend or not. Just tell him it's not great, and offer some constructive feedback. Even if it's you telling him to start from scratch. Maybe he'll get mad, or maybe he'll take it in stride. At any rate, at least your showing some integrity. what he said. You don't have to lie about it or downrate it. Leave that part neutral. Just be gentle with the criticism. Try and find the positives in the levels and then give a little guidance. Myself, I'd want someone to be honest with me, so that I could fix it and make it better.

2011-10-13 13:11:00 Author: biorogue Posts: 8424

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Fortunately none of my friends have asked me to play a level that was too awful. I played a friend's LBP1 level that wasn't exactly bad. It had simple puzzles and obstacles but it was all roughly made and it had no coherence whatsoever. He didn't forget the background or the music or the decoration (despite it being totally random) but there were some pretty obvious design flaws. There was one obstacle made of three giant knives glued in each layer, and people had to jump over them from a platform, a jump that I bet only one in twenty LBP players has the skill to make. In one part people had to jump on a bike and that bike would roll down an electrified ramp. If we died there without reaching the next checkpoint, we would respawn back in the top of the ramp, and no new bike would be emitted to carry us back down. Stuff like that. I just couldn't downrate, despite the flaws. I could see he spent a good amount of time and effort to make that level so I yay'd it and gave him constructive feedback on how to improve. I think I wouldn't have uprated it either if he wasn't my friend though. Another friend made a survival level in which we had to jump over obstacles. It was simple in visuals but good in gameplay, so I yay'd it with pleasure. Now other dude that isn't my friend but I know well from a forum asked for people to go play his level, that it wasn't anything special but better than most stuff. The only thing he had made was a metal octagon with bounce pads embedded all over the inner surface so people would get into it and could only get out by killing themselves, changed the background to Avalonia's and added music. Not even 5 meters to the right was the scoreboard. He said it was better than most stuff, then WTF is this? I was thinking of leaving with neutral feedback and pretend I didn't play it, but when I saw the "H4H" in the description I booed it. He didn't come and ask me why, fortunately.

2011-10-13 14:24:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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I don't boo any levels unless it is an obvious troll or spammer. We all have different skill sets and abilities and are different ages. However, I am always honest with my friends and let them know if I think something could be improved. I think most appreciate honest feedback. It's not helpful to have a friend who over looks your faults. A friend challenges you to be better. I say, think of some recommendations and then contact your friend and tell them you have some opinions you'd like to share. If you don't help him/her to become better, who will?

2011-10-13 15:29:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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If it is really bad as you say (in the OP), you have to tell them or at least ask do you think it is finished? Suggest what you find missing. They are looking for feedback. I would tell them that I didn't feel it done and want to await giving judgement till it is. Show them what you mean.. especially the visible ground, or being able to see around the level etc, needing more decorations, needing music and sounds. Explain how you need to create an environment besides having something fun to do to make it the whole package. However... any other friend, especially Ungreth, I have to Good Grief the level. KIDDING!!!!

2011-10-13 15:43:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I never boo anymore, in fact I had deleted all my reviews which were boos a while back (dropping from 80 to nearly 50! Yay for optimism! ). I don't do it anymore mainly because it doesn't help you nor the creator in any way and usually leads to conflicts. I stay neutral when I come across bad levels now so I can avoid revenge booing, hate comments, and stalking. Even back then, I wouldn't boo friend's levels because...well...they're your friend! You want them to become successful, right? Booing isn't going to help. If they want you to review and the level does happen to be absolutely terrible, be constructive in the kindest way possible. If they act hostile towards your critisism, don't play their levels at all.

2011-10-13 15:45:00 Author: Shadowstarkirby Posts: 205

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i would never boo a friends level even if i thought it was terrible, instead i would leave a neutral face and make a clear review saying not what was wrong with the level, but with how they can improve it, which is a nice subtle way of telling them what you didnt like about the level.

2011-10-13 17:55:00 Author: Skalio- Posts: 920

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I don't usually rate down any levels in LBP2, and never would for a friend's level. Yes, it may not be very good, but better to leave no rating than a bad one. However, before we had LBP.me in the days of LBP1 when nobody could see your activity, I'd often rate honestly, even sometimes giving friend's levels 1 or 2 stars. They couldn't see what I had rated it and I would never tell them anyway, and because there was no option to not leave a rating it felt wrong to give them 3 or 4 stars if the level didn't deserve it.

2011-10-13 22:58:00 Author: Nuclearfish Posts: 927

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I hardly ever down rate levels regardless tbh. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't, but I may mention it to them, as long as they ask me for my opinion first! I'm not sure I like the idea of people knowing what you rated a level - it kind of makes you feel the need to please others, as opposed to give a true, realistic rating. I'd prefer to have ratings anonymously, that way I could be honest. Saying that, if this friend's level was rubbish, but I knew they'd put a lot of work into it, I'd probably rate it up. Sometimes when rating levels, I may be more inclined to rate based on effort as opposed to the actual quality of the level.

2011-10-13 23:14:00 Author: standby250 Posts: 1113

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Alright i understand what everyone is saying Neutral, constructive critism. Tell the truth, on ways to make there levels better. got it. And i never actually rated a friends level down, I just wondering if i should. But I guess downrating would leave to some nasty conflicts, which i wish to avoid.

2011-10-14 00:03:00 Author: fighterwindplus Posts: 403

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If anything I'm more critical towards my friends. Especially when it comes to gameplay!

2011-10-14 01:53:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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I do, friends, REAL friends are the ones to be down rated and most honest about. I see it as, friends that TRULLY care and really want them doing better, should be even more honest and tell them when there is something wrong or bad. Friends will usually just say "oh its awesome, everything's fine, its perfect," even when its bad, trying to spare the friend's feelings, but that's worse, as when people that aren't "friends" see it, they may not react the same, hurting the creator even more, I've seen it happen often. But you say "What if they get mad at me if I do?" Well if they're mad when you're being honest and are trying to help them, then I don't think those are friends worth getting mad for anyways.

2011-10-14 02:31:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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I do, friends, REAL friends are the ones to be down rated and most honest about. You can help them improve and give constructive criticism without a boo rating or being brutally honest.

2011-10-14 03:12:00 Author: xero Posts: 2419

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My friends don't make bad levels.

2011-10-14 12:43:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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I'll rate whatever i feel the level was worth. or just skip it like i most of the time do if i did not like it. being my friend or even best friend is not gonna stop me from being honest. and if they talk to you about it. I'd go in to detail about what was good and what was not. *mew

2011-10-14 13:45:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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Call me a terrible person, but I've rated down all but on off my friends levels. Sure, I gave critisim, but I still told him his levels were bad.

2011-10-14 13:49:00 Author: Undarivik Posts: 442

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You can help them improve and give constructive criticism without a boo rating or being brutally honest. This sentence tells exactly what I mean. That means: honesty yes, boo not. On the other side - question for all: can you live with boo on your level, got from a friend ? Even if your friend left constructive criticism. Or simply without explanation.

2011-10-14 14:09:00 Author: goranilic Posts: 332

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Give him the precious gift of constructive criticism. It is from our failures that we grow better.

2011-10-14 15:28:00 Author: Antikris Posts: 1340

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Most of the time I help my friends with their levels before they publish it. If there's something wrong, I usually fix it for them.

2011-10-14 15:36:00 Author: lemurboy12 Posts: 842

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I don't rate friends levels

2011-10-14 15:38:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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I'm sure everyone's been in the situation you speak of. I have absolutely no intention of sounding mean or offending you right now, but it's not a big deal. However, you do show good character by considering the outcomes. Like many others have said, I would leave the rating neutral. BUT I would still tell my friend it was horrible (I'm honest ). Not in that manner, of course. I would try to make it sound tolerable, like "It could use work, and maybe (this) can go (there). I could help you if you want." Telling them it was good was probably a slip-up, because they might continue making levels like that if they have the impression that it actually IS good. It's for the good of everyone. YAY!

2011-10-15 13:13:00 Author: Sackpapoi Posts: 1195

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I don't rate friends levels Can't get personal feelings mixed with LBP, eh?

2011-10-15 13:32:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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I would never rate down a friends level. Instead, I would try to give some constructive criticism; lighthearted suggestions on ways they could improve it. That's what friends are for I did that. i rated it up and told the player he should add music and make the ball bouncier (it was basketball).

2011-10-16 00:12:00 Author: Xtrahuman Posts: 431

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You can help them improve and give constructive criticism without a boo rating or being brutally honest. Oh calm down, I'm not a d-bag about it, so please don't assume things, ok? Unless of course saying things like "This may not be such a good idea because of this and that" = brutally honest. Heh, You people sure like to think, and try to make it seem like I'm an ******* 24/7 all the time to everyone, don't you? xD Gotta love this community.

2011-10-20 18:18:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Oh calm down, I'm not a d-bag about it, so please don't assume things, ok? Unless of course saying things like "This may not be such a good idea because of this and that" = brutally honest. I never insinuated or assumed you were being a d-bag about it. Guilty conscience? Heh, You people sure like to think, and try to make it seem like I'm an ******* 24/7 all the time to everyone, don't you? xD Gotta love this community. Not at all. Maybe you should stop assuming that everyone else assumes that you're an [insert whatever expletive you used here]. My post was a statement. Nothing more. Lighten up a bit.

2011-10-20 18:57:00 Author: xero Posts: 2419

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Not at all. Maybe you should stop assuming that everyone else assumes that you're an [insert whatever expletive you used here]. My post was a statement. Nothing more. Lighten up a bit. I never insinuated or assumed you were being a d-bag about it. Guilty conscience? Oh ze Irony.

2011-10-20 19:15:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Oh ze Irony. I fail to see the irony her, good sir.

2011-10-20 19:21:00 Author: xero Posts: 2419

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I rarely rate down in general, I would need to be confident the work wasn't done by a child and that's all they were capable of (wish in those cases their parents were capable of keeping them offline ) But not that long ago I did face a dilemma similar to OP. Someone I had only recently met had taken some time to give a lot of feedback on a level of mine, really helped me out and he yay/hearted. Curious about his own work since he clearly knew what he was talking about, I gave his planet a visit and into one of his levels, the level was very well done and I had a few small thoughts on some of the obs, but just before getting to the end there was obs which could frequently and easily get u wedged under the way forward, I spent about 20 mins or more trying to get past it and actually did once, but thanks to auto layer switched and a spinning wheel on the layer behind, down and wedged I got.... ^_^ so he wasnt actually a friend and I had a legit issue, I boo'd the level :/ of course I left a lengthly review which spilled into comments, plenty of positives, some thoughts and some pics of the area which really let the level down (all the more annoying that it was a very easy fix from a guy who can seriously create!). I felt awful for doing it, although still justified. The good news, he took the criticism on board, fixed everything and left me a message thanking me for the feedback. I replayed the level and adjusted my rating and review, and they all lived happily ever after, or something... Happy about end result and I made a good friend =) /thejoysofdealingwithmaturepeople

2011-10-21 12:28:00 Author: Masseyf Posts: 226

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well luckily for you, some people are just that cooperating. SOme people would have taken that chance and just rated all of your levels down. You must have a good friend.

2011-10-22 04:18:00 Author: fighterwindplus Posts: 403

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I'd very rarely rate down a friend's level - I can't remember I time I ever have - but if I know that the friend could understand and accept the fact that i didn't like the level, then I would, as well as adding some constructive feedback too. If they improve it, I'd rate it up

2011-10-22 21:37:00 Author: Denim360 Posts: 482

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Practically never. One reason for that is rarely even Boo anything (anything I Boo is usually something that is borderline Good Grief-material/somehow else inexcusable in my opinion, such as a badly recorded songbot ending up on Cool Pages). A second reason for that is that I tend to avoid being confrontational. It simply is not worth the effort in most cases. Many (but not all by any means) persons I know would probably not react that gracefully if I left a boo hanging on their ratings, even if sometimes they would frankly deserve it (e.g no effort whatsoever put into a level, simply a pipe run between the start point and the scoreboard). I usually communicate my thoughts in a relatively harmless way, such as on chat (either they do not care, accept it, or if really bad, scold and/or kick me for it; nothing worse so far), or by leaving a neutral review (results vary from downvoting my review to acceptance with thanks; nothing worse than that either).

2011-10-25 14:36:00 Author: OrwellianStuff Posts: 90

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never booed a friends level, in fact most levels i dont boo. But i do give brutally honest feedback, yet tell them what was good about the level too.

2011-10-25 20:28:00 Author: Rpg Maker Posts: 877

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A few posts back up ^ I gave my own little story and opinion on this topic, but as a good will gesture (as I felt like a D-bag, read the above post if u havent ready) Im giving the person in question a plug (since he would never do it himself!). Made a lil clip which can be found here (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=65855-Obstacle-Course%28s%29-by-CZAR-BOMBA-with-montage-vid!&p=958216#post958216) in the recommendation forum. Please show him some love (If the featured levels dont do it for you, he does have 'normal' stuff up, I just felt like focusing on this series as its centred around something less and less people pay attention to - straight up physics, one of the main reasons I fell in love with LBP tbh)

2011-12-12 10:48:00 Author: Masseyf Posts: 226

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