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Banned from PSN for something I DID do!

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]I recieved this e-mail today...


Dear Ungreth,

We are contacting you regarding your PLAYSTATION?Network account and your
recent online activity.

On 22/09/2011, we noted that your online activity in lbp 2 was in serious
breach of the PLAYSTATION?Network Terms & Conditions for the following
reason(s): Image is offensive.

As a result of this unacceptable behaviour, your PLAYSTATION?Network
account has been suspended for 7 days.

This temporary ban will be lifted on 30/9/2011. Please be aware that any
further breaches of the service Terms & Conditions may result in a longer
or even permanent suspension of your account.

We ask that you use this time to reassess your online behaviour so that you
are more considerate to other PLAYSTATION?Network users when you join us
again online. We hope you can appreciate our obligation to the community as
a whole and to the rights of other users not to be subjected to disruptive
or offensive behaviour.

1. I haven't played LBP2 for several weeks (I've been playing Deus Ex)
2. I didn't sign in to PSN, or even switch on my playstation on the date of the alleged offence
3. I haven't recently posted any images anyway, let alone "offensive" ones

Can anyone explain what the hell is going on here!? Has my account been hacked, or is this some kind of admin error, or what?

Edit: I've since established that I was banned because of my level Sackboy Proves He's Got Stuffin' which featured a roadhouse sign depicting a bikini clad woman and a neon XXX. Doh!		2011-09-23 21:37:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

probably a noob that good grief you.2011-09-23 21:45:00

Author:
The_Lil_JoKeR
Posts: 745

probably a noob that good grief you.

Good griefed me for what? Anybody can check my profile on lbp.me and see that there were no images (offensive or otherwise) posted by me on that date!		2011-09-23 21:49:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

This sounds similar:
https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=59471-Banned-for-unclear-charges-everything-to-lose		2011-09-23 22:05:00

Author:
Lady_Luck__777
Posts: 3458

Good griefed me for what? Anybody can check my profile on lbp.me and see that there were no images (offensive or otherwise) posted by me on that date!

This has been happening a semi lot to be honest. there are many ways for Trolls to grief people and sense Sony
never really checks anything that well or good at all. they seem to just believe whatever reports
they get without question more then half of the time. like here are some examples.

1: Troll posts a offensive Image in your level and uploads it. then reports the level.

2: Troll just plain calls something offensive in a level even when it really was not and griefs the level for it.

well there are many ways they can do it.
and Sony don't really care to spend their time of day to check how true these reports are...
*mew		2011-09-23 22:07:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

One friend of mine told me he was banned for something that ocurred in LBP and he hadn't played in months, another person here in LBPC complained about the same in another thread... And now you. I guess this makes it official. Sony's banning people based on LBP2 Good Grief reports without checking if they are true.2011-09-23 22:08:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Well, that's disheartening to hear that Sony are getting so trigger happy with their ban cannon. Can I really get banned for an image posted by someone else? (In the e-mail they said that it was MY behaviour that was unacceptable). It would help if they specified exactly which image they consider offensive.

Anyway...once the 7 day ban is lifted I will have to lock down or delete all my LBP levels to avoid this happening again, because if they ever decide to perma-ban me then that screws up my ability to download games, expansion packs, patches, etc., or to play other games online. It will break my heart to do so given all the time and energy I've put into LBP, but I see no other option.

What a frikkin' mess! 		2011-09-23 22:35:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Lol don't drama of it so much ^^' Why dont you send email to Sony first before dramatic move killing your own levels because of panic?

Considering you makeing dark stuff some image might be easy to good griff		2011-09-23 22:51:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Lol don't drama of it so much ^^' Why dont you send email to Sony first before dramatic move killing your own levels because of panic?

Considering you makeing dark stuff some image might be easy to good griff

I already e-mailed Sony but I got no response. To my knowledge Sony NEVER reverse a decision to ban somebody, even if they are wrong. If this has happened to me once then chances are it will happen again, and next time it will be a permanent ban. Since I've retired from LBP anyway, I see no reason to let it jeopardise my ability to go online with my PS3.		2011-09-23 23:05:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Seems like random bans are becoming routine in this site, and probably LBP as a whole.
Media Molecule needs to be informed about this, before LBP2 becomes the New ModNation Racers and turning the action of creating into a risk of getting banned out of nowhere. :/		2011-09-24 00:31:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

2. I didn't sign in to PSN, or even switch on my playstation on the date of the alleged offence

It reads like they became aware of the "offending" content on that date,,, So there will be no way to actually know what the hell they are referring to and makes this email as useful as a chocolate teapot in terms of conveying any salient information to the recipient...

It's kinda sad that the email is auto-generated, yet still fails to meet the basic criteria of it's intended purpose 		2011-09-24 00:32:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Like what happened to Antikris (PSN Stellakris) (mentioned in an above post) this is simply unacceptable, and yet you have to accept it.

It's frustrating and scary that children have so much influence over not just LBP but entire PSN accounts.		2011-09-24 01:04:00

Author:
Unknown User

Hmmm... think back to any other games you may have been playing? It says your "online behavior" is in question? Anyone come to mind?

Might help you track down who reported you.		2011-09-24 05:38:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Hmmm... think back to any other games you may have been playing? It says your "online behavior" is in question? Anyone come to mind?

Might help you track down who reported you.

You just didnt readed his ban correctly my friend.
Edit:
But I'm sad that a awesome creator like you would get a ban.
The only level which is most closest to a ban is "stiff pistons" but I see it's not like bad behaviour.
And I'm even more sad when I can't replay your levels, but I think I'l do it a last time then.

But I most say your description is...Kinda weird

Never leave anything with such a language nobody can know what happens then.
"Following a series of levels that should be considered filthy, depraved and unsuitable to be played by anyone, the community is pleased to announce that Ungreth has now officially retired from LBP. We hate you Ungreth! May you rot in hell and never return to despoil the innocence of our beautiful game again!"

This is maybe a source that some troll took it offensive.

Never leave language like this and we will probably don't know what happens then.		2011-09-24 06:15:00

Author:
Seveni_7
Posts: 109

I already e-mailed Sony but I got no response. To my knowledge Sony NEVER reverse a decision to ban somebody, even if they are wrong. If this has happened to me once then chances are it will happen again, and next time it will be a permanent ban. Since I've retired from LBP anyway, I see no reason to let it jeopardise my ability to go online with my PS3.

Sony doesn't respond to emails. You have to actually call them... :/ That's how I got my password back after my neighbor sold my account... -_-" The number is here (http://us.playstation.com/corporate/contactus/). It's the only way and they're all willing to help. If you tell them your situation, they may agree to lift the ban.		2011-09-24 06:42:00

Author:
Speedynutty68
Posts: 1614

It's happening too often.
I checked my friends' list and Ung wasn't online indeed.
We, as a whole respectful community, should seriosly need to write down a document to send MM and Sony, addressing these unreasoned bans.
Bans must have the exact reason, (pic, line of text) justifying the banner.
And advertising it on big sites like N4G, NeoGaf, VG247.
Today it's Ungreth, last month Antikris, who knows who could be next.
This has to be stopped once and for all and the real trolls have to be stopped.

Also now, with the stickers tool, people will be able to upload every kind of stuff on someone level and the good griefing it.		2011-09-24 07:12:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

You just didnt readed his ban correctly my friend.
Edit:
But I'm sad that a awesome creator like you would get a ban.
The only level which is most closest to a ban is "stiff pistons" but I see it's not like bad behaviour.
And I'm even more sad when I can't replay your levels, but I think I'l do it a last time then.

But I most say your description is...Kinda weird

Never leave anything with such a language nobody can know what happens then.
"Following a series of levels that should be considered filthy, depraved and unsuitable to be played by anyone, the community is pleased to announce that Ungreth has now officially retired from LBP. We hate you Ungreth! May you rot in hell and never return to despoil the innocence of our beautiful game again!"

This is maybe a source that some troll took it offensive.

Never leave language like this and we will probably don't know what happens then.

That's just my retirement announcement, worded in my typical style of "black" comedy. There is no profane language and the only person I'm insulting is myself. I don't see how that could be an issue. Besides which, Sony allege it was an offensive image, not offensive language that I have been banned for.		2011-09-24 10:37:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Anyway, seriously, is there someone that can write a document/petition to unleash against Sony banning system in LBP?
I would write it, but my English doesn't reach that far.

It's the third case in a month.
And if trolls start to figure out that this system actually works...well, it's the end.		2011-09-24 10:50:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Anyway, seriously, is there someone that can write a document/petition to unleash against Sony banning system in LBP?
I would write it, but my English doesn't reach that far.

It's the third case in a month.
And if trolls start to figure out that this system actually works...well, it's the end.

Third case in a month that we know of. This could get even uglier if the trolls start griefing us like this. Maybe instead of a petition we could Good Grief ourselves en masse as a form of protest. Sony's incompetence regarding this matter is unnacceptable.

Ungreth, do you think they actually meant to report an innapropriate photo some player uploaded in one of your levels? Sony would still be incompetent for not checking it out but maybe it wasn't a troll.		2011-09-24 11:47:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Mass self report as a protest...I liek.
We should organize it at the same date same hour.
Uploading a pic saying: "against unfair bans"		2011-09-24 12:10:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I would start a thread on Get Satisfaction. While I'm sure this has more to do with Sony being ignorant to the fact that anyone can paste porn in anyone's level, MM should at least be able to raise it with them. I'm sure all of us here will support it.2011-09-24 12:26:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

We won't be able to go through your uploaded pics to find it, because if it was an uploaded pic that got you banned it would of been taken down. This is total BS it has happened to me and a friend also, i hate how we just get a email that could not be more vague as to why you were griefed, even runescape shows you what you did to get banned.2011-09-24 12:44:00

Author:
gigglecrab
Posts: 232

I don't s'pose it could be related to this (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=53722-Is-my-level-offensive-to-muslims)?

Sure it was a long time ago, but someone may have only grief'd it recently.		2011-09-24 17:06:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

I don't s'pose it could be related to this (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=53722-Is-my-level-offensive-to-muslims)?
Sure it was a long time ago, but someone may have only grief'd it recently.

No, because that's an lbp1 only level, locked down from play in lbp2, and the e-mail specified that the offence occured in lbp2.		2011-09-24 17:15:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I've seen this happen to a lot of people as well.
We need to petition Sony to fix this, since apparently people are report-happy all of a sudden.		2011-09-24 17:17:00

Author:
Tmjtk
Posts: 258

No, because that's an lbp1 only level, locked down from play in lbp2, and the e-mail specified that the offence occured in lbp2.

I don't think any of the language can really shed light on what went down -- it's an automatic message sent in conjunction with an automatic suspension resulting from a specific category of complaint. All sorted automatically by indifferent and flawed systems that further sort complaints about how it automatically suspends people into another category. And so on.

I think beyond the basic speculation that a person or people submitted a complaint against you via LBP2, we can't know what happened. It's all just disgusting. Makes me sick to my stomach, I'm very sorry to see this happening, and the worst part isn't even the ban maybe, it's the completely helplessness.		2011-09-24 18:16:00

Author:
Unknown User

I don't s'pose it could be related to this (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=53722-Is-my-level-offensive-to-muslims)?

Sure it was a long time ago, but someone may have only grief'd it recently.

Doesn't resident evil 4 use the Illuminati in their story line too? Sounds like a quantum leap from an offensive picture reference to me.		2011-09-24 20:09:00

Author:
KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

Happened o me also. same email and all.2011-09-24 20:54:00

Author:
Radishlord
Posts: 706

So is it now in SONY' nature to take everyone' word and ban whom they said did bad? I know they give no evidence, ever. However it would help if the person making the accusation could point out what is actually wrong, so SONY could forward it.

Anyway, they cant take everyone's' word because in this particular instance Ungreth did nothing. Does anyone know your username and password, it could have been hacked.		2011-09-24 21:16:00

Author:
craigmond
Posts: 2426

I have just started a petition to help fight these unjust bans. Sign now and spread the word! (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/lbpbans/)2011-09-24 21:36:00

Author:
Veyneru
Posts: 115

Signed it.


I recieved a similar email two weeks ago from Sony, based on my activities in Home. The email only stated I was at risk of being banned, and for Verbal/Text abuse. Now understand, that if I ever get verbally abusive.. it's with Trolls. Sony failed to give me any details on my alleged crime, so there is no way for me to correct my supposed wrong behaviour.

Their reporting and griefing system is clearly broken. Go sign that petition and let's let Sony know that we are sick of the Trolls and us paying the price for their misbehaviour.		2011-09-25 03:01:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

Now understand, that if I ever get verbally abusive.. it's with TrollsWell... Trolls are the most likely to report you...

Yeah, not a good idea.		2011-09-25 03:12:00

Author:
Det
Posts: 37

What's the word? Have you called them? you'll definitely get further by calling them. My dad emailed them numerous times over a problem he was having with his account and never heard anything. He called them and it was fixed within the hour.
It could be something related to this here: Microsoft Restores Accidentally Banned Consoles (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/09/23/microsoft-restores-accidentally-banned-consoles.aspx) in this article it says:"If your console banned from Xbox Live between August 29 and September 9, you may have been unjustly punished thanks to a software error on Microsoft's end. Don't worry ? the publisher wants to make it up to you."

While this has to do more with suspected tampered consoles than some idiots reporting it could also be something like a software problem. Maybe? Hope everything works out. This is such bull! I'm mad for you.		2011-09-25 03:48:00

Author:
biorogue
Posts: 8424

Well... Trolls are the most likely to report you...

Yeah, not a good idea.



Yeah, it is a good idea actually. People need to start standing up to Trolls in mass force. Letting them get away with it is like idiots who won't fly because they are afraid of terrorists. So yeah, good job.. the terrorists just won.

The thing is, with reports on Home it's time stamped and the person reviewing can see all text that would appear in your scroll upon submitting the report. I recently had someone accuse me that I got their account banned.. which there is no way for them to know. It was a hunch on their part, and only after I told them I had reported them for soliciting people for mony on Home. My guess is that they had something to do with this. The person has multiple accounts, and a lot of ganglike fam friends on Home.

But you know what? Screw Sony and their broken system. Now I send mutiple reports on people all the time. They want to take away my right to defend myself or my friends from perverts, trolls, abusive cursing people, stalkers, and sexual harrassers on Home.. it's fine by me. Now I hit the report button all the time on Home... so yeah Sony, enjoy your influx of reports you're getting from me. Sure I still troll the Trolls back, I just use less workaround words now.


People need to stop being afraid of stepping up to Trolls... it's just weak.		2011-09-25 03:49:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

Yeah, it is a good idea actually. People need to start standing up to Trolls in mass force.By verbally assaulting them in-game?

That's feeding the trolls directly. That's what they WANT, and it leaves them open to screw you over if you do that.		2011-09-25 05:16:00

Author:
Det
Posts: 37

Signed and avdvertising it a lot2011-09-25 06:25:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I signed it.
You should advertise

Edit: Oki I have advertise it at Littlebigplanet offcial playstation forums.		2011-09-25 06:27:00

Author:
Seveni_7
Posts: 109

I signed! Come on everybody! Let's go spread the word! (Notice my change in signature... )2011-09-25 07:46:00

Author:
Speedynutty68
Posts: 1614

Yeah, it is a good idea actually. People need to start standing up to Trolls in mass force. Letting them get away with it is like idiots who won't fly because they are afraid of terrorists. So yeah, good job.. the terrorists just won.
...
People need to stop being afraid of stepping up to Trolls... it's just weak.


No, insulting them is the weak thing to do. You just get angry and you lash out at them, and that's exactly what they want. Trolls aren't terrorists, even terrorists stand for something. Trolls only want to get you mad. When you "fight back" you're showing they're getting to you and that's exactly what they want. You're not stepping up for anything, you're just feeding them. They're not playing Home or LBP2, they're playing a different game in which they win by p*ssing you off. Trolls aren't affected by insults or threats because they know insults are worth nothing in the internet, so you shouldn't let those things affect you either. If you can find out who unjustly reported you, repay him/her in kind but for the rest just ignore them. It's not a battle, it's them baiting you. You just have to know the bait and ignore it.

People do stand up to trolls in mass force. When you're too darn proud, you feel you have to, even in the internet where no one cares about your pride. People don't think twice in taking the trolls' bait, and that's why trolls "win". That's why people think LBP2 needs to be "saved" when the only thing they need to do is to ignore all the idiots.		2011-09-25 09:21:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Guys - a petition is not going to work. Who are you going to send it to when you get enough signatures? Will they even read it or care? Unless a petition is properly organised all you'll have is a lot of people shouting "I agree!" whilst nothing is being done to actually address the problem at hand.

Leave this with me. I know the moderators, I'll point them to this thread and ask what's going on. 		2011-09-25 11:18:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

*Big hug NUKE!!!*
Thanks 		2011-09-25 11:25:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Guys - a petition is not going to work. Who are you going to send it to when you get enough signatures?
Sony? Who else?

Will they even read it or care? Unless a petition is properly organised all you'll have is a lot of people shouting "I agree!" whilst nothing is being done to actually address the problem at hand.
If there are enough signatures, then they may have to do something, and even if nothing happens it's at least worth a try.

Leave this with me. I know the moderators, I'll point them to this thread and ask what's going on.
So in other words, you say no-one will care about a petition, but what makes you think they will care about this thread?		2011-09-25 11:26:00

Author:
Veyneru
Posts: 115

I agree the petition itself may not work, but it's still generating bad publicity and hype. The last thing Sony want is a hoard of angry kids on a mission.2011-09-25 11:37:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

I say Nuke, talk with the mods please, but we continue the petition anyway.
Also if nothing is solved soon (Ungreth's ban lift, pubblic excuses and everyting) we will find a way to have this on N4G.com (WillGuitarGuy can help, I'm sure) and make it pubblic.

Just realized that the people we know that got banned are 'Kris (34 yo) and Ungeth (more than 34 yo LOL), 2 mature people with families and kids...Congrats Sony
So watch out at making babies and having a family in your 30s if you play LBP people 		2011-09-25 14:09:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I did contact Sony support yesterday and filed a complaint. No response yet, but I would assume that they don't work at weekends anyhow. It'll be interesting see if they get back to me over the next week or not.

TBH I don't care if this ban is lifted or not, since it's only 7 days and I'm playing Deus Ex at the moment which I don't need to be online for. So it's not being unable to go online that has affected me but more so the fact of being accused of something I haven't done. It's the principal of the matter.

I just hope it doesn't turn out to be something as inane as Stiff Pistons being considered inappropriate by Sony, because I was very careful not to be explicit in the design of that level, only to be suggestive in the same way that Disney movies are full of adult innuendo pitched in such a way that kids wouldn't even get it. (for example in Toy Story 3 when Barbie says to Ken - "Nice Ascot" just as the camera zones in on his butt cheeks). There's no nudity, no profanity, no violence in Stiff Pistons...just a fat guy dancing in a nappy. The only real "inappropriateness" is in the mind of the player. If it is this level that has landed me in hot water, then anyone thinking of adding a little subtle, cheeky innuendo to their levels had better think twice or risk the Sony gestapo knocking on their door in the middle of the night.

Besides which, I never uploaded any images from Stiff Pistons (or any other level) anyhow. If it was something in the actual level that was seen as "offensive", surely the e-mail would have stated "offensive level content" rather than "offensive image" wouldn't it? Or am I wrong? Maybe "offensive image" is just a generic term used by Sony for "you have published something naughty in LBP". I just don't know any more.		2011-09-25 17:06:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

The e-mail actually said "lbp 2" like that? What address was it from? What if the game was called Lester B. Pearson 2?2011-09-25 17:33:00

Author:
Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

The e-mail actually said "lbp 2" like that? What address was it from? What if the game was called Lester B. Pearson 2?
If he was playing that, the ban would have an explanation. 		2011-09-25 17:52:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

just hope it doesn't turn out to be something as inane as Stiff Pistons being considered inappropriate by Sony

Surely they'd have removed the whole level had it been that?

It probably was just some idiot posting a picture of his todger. 		2011-09-25 17:57:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

Just realized that the people we know that got banned are 'Kris (34 yo) and Ungeth (more than 34 yo LOL), 2 mature people with families and kids...Congrats Sony
So watch out at making babies and having a family in your 30s if you play LBP people

Hmm... This is curious, my friend who's been banned also has a son. Are the kids setting their parents up? 		2011-09-25 19:24:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Sony? Who else?

Sony isn't one person. Who within Sony will you sent it to? How can you be sure they won't just ignore it?


So in other words, you say no-one will care about a petition, but what makes you think they will care about this thread?

Because I'll ask nicely.



Surely we should be trying to get Sony to understand that this problem exists, find out why it's happenning in the first place, get Ungreth and everyone un-banned, and stop it from happenning again. The only thing a petition is going to acheieve if it gets noticed is a mass Sony hatred campaign, and that's not going to solve anything.		2011-09-25 19:24:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

Surely they'd have removed the whole level had it been that?

It probably was just some idiot posting a picture of his todger.

Do people really get banned in such a way, because of other people's actions? That's absurd. Kinda like the poice arresting me for somebody else spraying graffiti on my house!		2011-09-25 19:35:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Do people really get banned in such a way, because of other people's actions? That's absurd. Kinda like the poice arresting me for somebody else spraying graffiti on my house!

I'm just guessing, but it's probably a case of them not realising that players can upload photos anonymously to somebody else's level.		2011-09-25 20:03:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

Hmm, trolls or a faulty system? Either way, Sony has to know their current method is made of fail. They have to employ real people with human sensitivity to analyze the circumstances in which the offenses ocurred and if the report is true or not instead of a machine that automatically bans whoever is reported. Imagine someone gets the permanent banhammer due to actions they weren't responsible for, losing the account they used for year in the process. For most it'd be enough reason to ditch PSN altogether.

Meanwhile it's MM's community that suffers for this incompetence. Expecting Sony to learn before the mistakes happen is too much to ask, apparently. They'll only fix something when they start losing money because of it.		2011-09-25 20:20:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

But I most say your description is...Kinda weird

Never leave anything with such a language nobody can know what happens then.
"Following a series of levels that should be considered filthy, depraved and unsuitable to be played by anyone, the community is pleased to announce that Ungreth has now officially retired from LBP. We hate you Ungreth! May you rot in hell and never return to despoil the innocence of our beautiful game again!"

This is maybe a source that some troll took it offensive.

Never leave language like this and we will probably don't know what happens then.


Ummmm well Ungreth I am positive it is either your description OR maybe perhaps your level entitled "Stiff Pistons" in which a guy in a diaper pole dances. I could definitely see someone getting banned for that and even if you weren't online someone may have uploaded a picture in your level that may be considered offensive or obscene. it was somewhat hard to take this plea seriously after seeing that level.		2011-09-25 20:58:00

Author:
Dortr
Posts: 548

Hmm... This is curious, my friend who's been banned also has a son. Are the kids setting their parents up?

Hmm... Oh my word... It couldn't be.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmMiueFHb8		2011-09-25 21:17:00

Author:
4wheel
Posts: 511

Ummmm well Ungreth I am positive it is either your description OR maybe perhaps your level entitled "Stiff Pistons" in which a guy in a diaper pole dances. I could definitely see someone getting banned for that and even if you weren't online someone may have uploaded a picture in your level that may be considered offensive or obscene. it was somewhat hard to take this plea seriously after seeing that level.

Are you serious? Stephen Fry even jokes about the innuendo in the term "stiff pistons" during the ingame tutorials! That level is actually my most popular one, enjoying a better "likes" to plays ratio than most of the Mm picks out there, so clearly the average lbp player is not offended by the sight of a fat man dancing in a diaper, which as I've already pointed out does not exactly constitute an "obscenity" anyway. Also, he doesn't actually pole dance. He just stands there unless you decide to make him move. Wait...you didn't actually grab the pole did you? Really? Well....your choice, your action...not mine.

As for my profile statement, would you mind pointing out exactly which bit of it you believe to be in breach of Sony's terms of use?		2011-09-25 21:18:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Besides which, I never uploaded any images from Stiff Pistons (or any other level) anyhow. If it was something in the actual level that was seen as "offensive", surely the e-mail would have stated "offensive level content" rather than "offensive image" wouldn't it? Or am I wrong? Maybe "offensive image" is just a generic term used by Sony for "you have published something naughty in LBP". I just don't know any more.Hmmm, it must be related to something within one of your levels now that I think about it. I assume that would fit into the whole "image" part of it in one way or another. Not the name of the level, per se, but perhaps what was in it? I dunno. Maybe they just don't have a category for "level content."

The real shame here is that Sony bans without more specific reasons. This would all be less of a mystery if they had just told you why. At least then you could fight or make your case it, but then again, maybe that's the point. 		2011-09-25 21:36:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Are you serious? Stephen Fry even jokes about the innuendo in the term "stiff pistons" during the ingame tutorials! That level is actually my most popular one, enjoying a better "likes" to plays ratio than most of the Mm picks out there, so clearly the average lbp player is not offended by the sight of a fat man dancing in a diaper, which as I've already pointed out does not exactly constitute an "obscenity" anyway. Also, he doesn't actually pole dance. He just stands there unless you decide to make him move. Wait...you didn't actually grab the pole did you? Really? Well....your choice, your action...not mine.

As for my profile statement, would you mind pointing out exactly which bit of it you believe to be in breach of Sony's terms of use?
Well Mm even has pole dancing meercats in meercat kingdom, that actually ride the pole... Lol, but Sony is the one who does the banning, not Mm. I'm just staying that it fits the description of why the ban occured since the level and uploaded pics are online even if you are not. I didn't play the level. I just saw the uploaded pictures.		2011-09-25 22:00:00

Author:
Dortr
Posts: 548

Well Mm even has pole dancing meercats in meercat kingdom, that actually ride the pole... Lol, but Sony is the one who does the banning, not Mm. I'm just staying that it fits the description of why the ban occured since the level and uploaded pics are online even if you are not. I didn't play the level. I just saw the uploaded pictures.
So it's a "Do what we say, don't do what we do" policy?		2011-09-25 22:04:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

So it's a "Do what we say, don't do what we do" policy?I think if you put up a graphic of the Meerkat Kingdom level and Ungreth's you would notice a distinct difference in motif and style. But that's not really the point. The point here is that the ban was not only vague but seemingly out of nowhere (since Ungreth has left the community.)2011-09-25 22:13:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the levels at all, there's absolutely no way they'd leave them up on the servers. Plus there's nothing I've seen of Ungreth's that would warrant a ban over moderation anyway. That's way too harsh. Anyone who's old enough to even begin to understand the ever-so-slightly sordid undertones, are surely old enough to deal with them anyway? I've seen worse Carry On films!

It has to either be a photo uploaded to the level anonymously or a sticker placed in the level and griefed by the same person. Sony are probably getting 100's of tickets raised every day, I doubt they're going to any great lengths to investigate each complaint. They're just seeing a picture of someone's bits 'featured' in Ungreth's uploaded photos and jumping to the wrong conclusion.

TBH, the fact that we do have the ability to upload anonymous photos should be removed anyway. People have been abusing that since LBP.		2011-09-25 22:15:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

When you report somebody you take a screen shot, so I guess it will always be an image you get in trouble for.

I think I mentioned this in another thread maybe Rust's or Kris' thread but nuclearfish has a better chance than a petition.

The reason you can get banned is that age/community reputation are not a factor. Everyone is a username, if a few users report something it's flagged.

Nuclearfish is a face and a person to someone on the team, well known reputable creators speaking directly with people involved in the process.

In regards to trolls, use the system and move on. If we all report unacceptable online behaviour it will have a positive impact on the community. If it is indeed this easy to ban someone then use it to your advantage. I report 'kill...' levels and obvious comment spam all the time.		2011-09-25 22:40:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

The reason you can get banned is that age/community reputation are not a factor. Everyone is a username, if a few users report something it's flagged.


:kz: How many Users does it take to Flag something? A couple Hundreds?		2011-09-25 23:36:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

So it's a "Do what we say, don't do what we do" policy?

No, its a "Mm did those things in meercat kingdom and write the stuff for Stephen Fry to say not Sony" type of thing. I was just pointing out a fairly valid reason as to why someone may greif the level. Would I have? No... but if that happened, Sony probably didn't even look at the report either.		2011-09-26 00:14:00

Author:
Dortr
Posts: 548

I've been griefed before, for using the word "water". Why? I don't even know.2011-09-26 01:54:00

Author:
Unknown User

This whole banning thing is pretty stupid. I don't know who will be next...2011-09-26 02:06:00

Author:
49er Nation
Posts: 429

:kz: How many Users does it take to Flag something? A couple Hundreds?

Hmm... That's my concern if it is one person that takes issue it's not a fair system. I doubt it's as many as 100 though. It should also log the IP that the report came from to stop multiple account shennanigans.

But, also keep in mind that day you get arrested is rarely the day that crime was committed so if you do publish a level and someone plays it a year later and reports it... Well that's the day you infringed.

I fuzzily remember a general rule of thumb about noise complaints from neighbours; it was 3 separate people at 3 separate times, BUT about the same behaviour... before the council knocks on your door.

So one person complaining about a barking dog and another complaining about loud music doesn't equal two complaints.

Bu again, not sure what the magic PSN numbers are.

To the point of Mm doing innuendo the game get submitted to classification, your stage doesn't so its hard to say 'they did it, so I can too'. Sony is in a way forced to take a hard line stance even though the ESRB rating is only given for offline play.

A PG movie can have someone say 'holy sh..' as an exclamation but it has been submitted to a panel that considers subtext, a lengthy and expensive process.

Even though the requirements to play online suggest that all players are in an age bracket where they could see this movie, the word isn't the actuall problem it's context, and it can be used to get pretty graphic and obscene... it's safer just to filter out the word than to be open to having a game reclassified.		2011-09-26 03:07:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

I don't think it matters whether Ungreth is actually in the right or not, as the system is capable of punishing the wrong people regardless and needs to be fixed.2011-09-26 03:12:00

Author:
Det
Posts: 37

First of all, no one clearly mentioned it but Stiff Pistons (http://lbp.me/v/xjnycm) is still there.
As Ungreth pointed and I privately argued with Robbit10, the malice is in the eye of the beholder...
As I told him, it's the player that wants to dance around the pole

Anyway Stiff Pistons is immortal on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6AW3tJcD_8
I rocked that pole hard...

But the main reason for the ban...well, I guess is this one

http://ib.lbp.me/img/al/3fb7235b1e57b461b78f65876e37f843b62ea5e9.png

If I would put a pic of mine dressed like that, users would not only goodgrief me to Sony but even call for an exorcism 		2011-09-26 06:27:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

But the main reason for the ban...well, I guess is this one

http://ib.lbp.me/img/al/3fb7235b1e57b461b78f65876e37f843b62ea5e9.png

If I would put a pic of mine dressed like that, users would not only goodgrief me to Sony but even call for an exorcism

What a cheek! I'll have you know that whenever I drop my daughter off at school in the mornings, all the other children run off screaming with delight to tell their friends how cool I look!		2011-09-26 08:02:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I've been griefed before, for using the word "water". Why? I don't even know.

Wicked Witch of the West must be behind this. She must've found the word really offensive.		2011-09-26 08:15:00

Author:
Coconuts
Posts: 384

I was "grief"-ed for, well, I have no idea... some racist remarks apparently, in my old Homestar Runner level. Seems they blame trolls for their outage but prioritises their thoughts above everyone else's.

So I'll post this here, unless I get BANNED for this, too.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5965/goodgrief.jpg		2011-09-26 08:19:00

Author:
Breezy-The-Pro
Posts: 134

Having asked around and having gained some better understanding of how this moderation thing works, I think it's safe to say that if it was my level content in question then the level would have been taken down. All my levels remain online with a steady influx of players, so I think we can rule that out. It seems the most likely explanation is that someone has uploaded an obscene picture whilst playing one of my levels and griefed it. Sony's automated system has identified the picture as being linked to my account and auto-banned me without understanding the fact that just because it appears on my level pages it is not necessarily me, the account holder, who placed it there.

If I'm wrong about this then I'll perform the worlds greatest act of contortionism by inserting my head deep into my rectal passages and eating my own doo-doo.		2011-09-26 09:25:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

If I'm wrong about this then I'll perform the worlds greatest act of contortionism by inserting my head deep into my rectal passages and eating my own doo-doo.

Oh dear, you're almost making me wish you're wrong...and...youtube or it isn't true. 		2011-09-26 12:30:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Having asked around and having gained some better understanding of how this moderation thing works, I think it's safe to say that if it was my level content in question then the level would have been taken down. All my levels remain online with a steady influx of players, so I think we can rule that out. It seems the most likely explanation is that someone has uploaded an obscene picture whilst playing one of my levels and griefed it. Sony's automated system has identified the picture as being linked to my account and auto-banned me without understanding the fact that just because it appears on my level pages it is not necessarily me, the account holder, who placed it there..

That is my conclusion about my month-long suspension as well. I was deserving of that punishment for alegedly posting pictures of pornography. Though the support here is heartwarming, don't get your hopes up, Un; Spaff himself pulled strings for me but couldn't walk into Mordor.

People on the outside may respond with "Why the drama? It is only a game. Make a new account.", but we creators know better; our rep and the investment in our creations are on the line. We ourselves know of the risk that the behavior we are accused of carries with it; of all people, we are the LEAST likely to engage in such frivolties.

Now, it is very simple for me: I sat out the ban, trust no more stranger, but know I am still at risk for stuff I cannot control; the only way to be risk free is to be invisible, be gone from the LBP community. And that is how it will be when the next troll dupes Sony into landing a perm ban on me. A loss to the community and a loss to Sony - after all, eBay is only two clicks away.

I have thought of locking my levels to prevent the wrong kind from playing, but it is probably only going to attract more rage. My mistake for buying into a children's game.		2011-09-26 12:59:00

Author:
Antikris
Posts: 1340

Hey Kris, I hope that everything will be solved and your ban will be erased from history.
As I said, I hope Nuke will solve stuff, but we must continue to get signatures.		2011-09-26 14:32:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Off topic(ish): Look at this gem I ran into on the signatures on the petition:


If you get banned then you deserve to get banned. Quit crying about it & follow the rules. nOObs.

Hmm, methinks someone should actually read the details before whining about it. Also, what I find ironic is that he calls us "nOObs" despite the fact that he just signed the petition, technically giving it support. As the creator of the petiton, I have the power to delete it, but I'm not going to do so purely to show off the irony of that comment.		2011-09-26 16:37:00

Author:
Veyneru
Posts: 115

hmmm... (http://lbp.me/u/QWAZ-1)2011-09-26 16:44:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Sorry to hear that Ungreth. Seems to happen more often than not these days. I hope Nuclearfish can give a word to the mods, but I think Spaff might have as well and it obviously continues.

Possibly there are more mods than memos about how LBP works and they are not making the distinction of user content vs visitor messages and pics. Might even be an issue in the Good Grief itself either in LBP.me or in the game causing a bit of this. We can only speculate and hope for news someday.

Hopefully it can be corrected soon, but I am not holding my breath. 		2011-09-26 16:51:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Figured we should attack this from all angles so just posted this:

http://gsfn.us/t/2g609

I'll shelve my horror level for the time being. 		2011-09-26 17:13:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

Y'know what? Maybe it actually was my profile picture that I got banned for. Even though that image is quite simply a photo of me, the way I look every day when I eat my dinner, brush my teeth and drive my car, maybe I just look so horrible that people find my face offensive.

I'm serious. Since I haven't uploaded any photos that could be considered even vaguely offensive while playing the game and none of my levels were moderated, what else could it be?		2011-09-26 19:58:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Y'know what? Maybe it actually was my profile picture that I got banned for. Even though that image is quite simply a photo of me, the way I look every day when I eat my dinner, brush my teeth and drive my car, maybe I just look so horrible that people find my face offensive.

I'm serious. Since I haven't uploaded any photos that could be considered even vaguely offensive while playing the game and none of my levels were moderated, what else could it be?

Ha ha...now this makes sense!

Clearly there must be some sort of good grief filtering that normally occurs or it's inconceivable that every person with an MM pick hasn't been banned. The filtering process in place now certainly leaves something to be desired. Maybe Spaff could at least describe exactly what the process/procedure is for when someone good griefs something before people start deleting levels willy-nilly...		2011-09-26 20:16:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

LOL, something is clearly broken, I kept this between me and Spaff to not cause other ruckus but the pic upload system might not work.
Check the pics with me (http://lbp.me/u/OmegaSlayer/photos), someone that is clearly not me is uploaded on that pics...also the game doesn't show the pics with me uploaded by my friends.
Spaff knows and he assured me someone is already working on it from some days.		2011-09-26 20:23:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

LOL, something is clearly broken, I kept this between me and Spaff to not cause other ruckus but the pic upload system might not work.
Check the pics with me (http://lbp.me/u/OmegaSlayer/photos), someone that is clearly not me is uploaded on that pics...also the game doesn't show the pics with me uploaded by my friends.
Spaff knows and he assured me someone is already working on it from some days.

That's rather interesting. Do you even know the people in this photo?

http://i5.lbp.me/img/ft/f05da8a4a6059fd354363a5c6aebe294d7088f3e.jpg

http://lbp.me/p/76zdnm

http://lbp.me/p/76zdqp		2011-09-26 20:41:00

Author:
Chazprime
Posts: 587

Sony isn't one person. Who within Sony will you sent it to? How can you be sure they won't just ignore it?



Because I'll ask nicely.



Surely we should be trying to get Sony to understand that this problem exists, find out why it's happenning in the first place, get Ungreth and everyone un-banned, and stop it from happenning again. The only thing a petition is going to acheieve if it gets noticed is a mass Sony hatred campaign, and that's not going to solve anything.

Because you're Nuclearfish.		2011-09-26 20:50:00

Author:
Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

No Chaz, I haven't got an idea...not on my friends' list, never met them2011-09-26 21:26:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

That's rather interesting. Do you even know the people in this photo?

(Pic)


:kz: Aaaaand now I've lost my Lunch...		2011-09-26 21:35:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Y'know what? Maybe it actually was my profile picture that I got banned for. Even though that image is quite simply a photo of me, the way I look every day when I eat my dinner, brush my teeth and drive my car, maybe I just look so horrible that people find my face offensive.

I'm serious. Since I haven't uploaded any photos that could be considered even vaguely offensive while playing the game and none of my levels were moderated, what else could it be?

Wow... banned for looking like you do? Wonder how Boris Karloff dealt with that? Oh yeah.. they paid him money!!		2011-09-26 21:39:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Okay, a slight update.

I've told the moderators about it and they're looking into it. Unfortunately they can't really tell me much because they can only disclose information about bans to the account holder. So, Ungreth, if you haven't tried it already, sent an email to community@uk.playstation.com and the moderators will be able to tell you exactly why you were banned.		2011-09-26 23:27:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

Nuclearfish, I have already sent them an e-mail and filed a complaint over the telephone too, but I've had no response. I'm not sure if that's the same address which I sent my e-mail too but when I click that link you posted I get a message saying "Could not perform this action because the default mail client is not properly installed"

Edit: Never mind. It worked when I typed the address manually into yahoo.		2011-09-27 01:35:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

*leans forward in interest and anticipation*

*remembers the comment about eating own doo doo*

*leans back slightly*		2011-09-27 13:10:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

Ok, I've recieved feedback from Sony as to the nature of my offence and it seems that it was indeed my level content at fault, although it was a level in LBP1 and not in LBP2 as stated to me. This is the response...


Thank you for providing the requested information. I can confirm that the e-mail and ban you received related to a level you created called "Sackboy Proves He's Got Stuffin" which had a depiction of a woman in her underwear with XXX next to her. This is a sexual reference and is not appropriate for LittleBigPlanet level which has a 7 + rating.

I apologise for the confusion in the e-mail you received. As the content was visual you were reported for an offensive image, this is due to the large number of titles we moderate using the same reporting system.

I have responded to the e-mail with...


Thank you for clairifying the nature of the offence for which I was banned from PSN. It seems that it was indeed my own level content which was at fault. The level in question has been on the servers for over 2 years now, and I did not think to check old levels from LBP1 as the e-mail specified that the offence occured in LBP2. The sign featuring the woman and the XXX was featured in the level as a typical feature of Roadhouses seen along the highways in the American deep South, which was contextual to the theme of the level and certainly not intended to cause offence.

I notice that Sackboy Proves He's got Stuffin' has now been taked off the servers. I can't believe that of all things, it turned out to be this. Whether the ban was fairly imposed or not is rather subjective in my view, since this was a popular level which never drew a single complaint regarding it's content on the level comments page and it seemed to be very well recieved by the community.

I guess I had better take down the rest of my levels once I'm back online.

Oh, and you can all check out Youtube for the vid of me eating my own doo-doo...		2011-09-27 17:51:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I guess I had better take down the rest of my levels once I'm back online.

I hope you reconsider that. One small mistake doesn't mean they all have the same issues. Just learn from it and move on. Glad at least you got such a nice clear response from a human. Restores a bit of faith in the system from them being robots.		2011-09-27 17:57:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I hope you reconsider that. One small mistake doesn't mean they all have the same issues. Just learn from it and move on. Glad at least you got such a nice clear response from a human. Restores a bit of faith in the system from them being robots.

The thing is that although none of my levels contain nudity, swearing, racism, or any of the thing outlined as being contrary to the terms of use, each and every one of them contains some kind of content that is mildly provokative or suggestive. Although Disney seems to get away with this in every movie they produce, it seems that I am governeed by more draconian censorship measures. I do not want to risk a permanent ban over my LBP/LBP2 levels, and I feel that taking them down would be the most prudent action I could take to prevent this happening to me again.

Apologies to all players who have gotten enjoyment out my rather "unorthadox" levels over the years, but I hope that you will hold them in your hearts and memories even once they are gone.		2011-09-27 18:12:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I do not want to risk a permanent ban over my LBP/LBP2 levels, and I feel that taking them down would be the most prudent action I could take to prevent this happening to me again.

I completely understand your position. It's a shame really...but I'd think some levels like Space Assassin 2 would be ok to leave up?!?		2011-09-27 18:21:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

...it seems that it was indeed my level content at fault...
...this was a popular level which never drew a single complaint regarding it's content...

Well, as petty as their rationale may seem, I'm kinda glad the ban wasn't due the actions of another individual, as that would mean anyone's account could be put at risk by a malicious user.

I do vaguely recall hearing somewhere that the moderation tools have the ability to determine the creator of a particular piece of content, so the only reason you should be banned for someone else's actions, is if the moderation team don't know how to use the tools correctly.



I guess I had better take down the rest of my levels once I'm back online.

I'm kinda with jww on this one, but I totally understand if you don't want to take the risk. After all, 'offensiveness' is so subjective that you could pretty much argue that anything can be deemed offensive to some individuals.



Oh, and you can all check out Youtube for the vid of me eating my own doo-doo...

Umm. No thanks.


Edit: Oh. You should probably change the thread title. 		2011-09-27 18:23:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

Ungreth, don't you think that there may be an easier solution to your problem than the path you're taking now? I understand your situation that you're in and I know that none of us ever want to be in such a predicament, but in my honest opinion it seems like a rash answer to the problem. It's a bit like someone telling you that one of your socks has a hole in it and then throwing all your other socks away to avoid putting holes in them.

Besides, although you may say that all your levels have some form of offensive content in them, the sign with XXX on it was the only one that would stand out to the common player, which was probably why it was noticed. The rest of the content would only be offensive to those who already had a basic understanding of the themes that you were trying to get across, and for that reason makes them a lot harder to penalize you for.

I apologize if I came across as rude in that post, but I love your levels and I'd hate to see them all deleted because of the content in one of them. I've also seen far more offensive and brash things than your levels in LBP, and their creator hasn't been banned for them and they haven't been taken down. Please reconsider! 		2011-09-27 18:34:00

Author:
FlipMeister
Posts: 631

Edit: Oh. You should probably change the thread title.

How do I do that Aya? It doesn't seem to give me the option to change the title, just the thread content.		2011-09-27 19:29:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

How do I do that Aya? It doesn't seem to give me the option to change the title, just the thread content.

Go to advanced editing.

..and I still think you should reconsider deleting all your levels. 		2011-09-27 19:36:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Please do not remove your levels. I find them very enjoyable and like to revisit them from time to time. Maybe just lock them for now and dole out keys to anyone who wishes to play them. Maybe make a "key hub" or something. I think It would be an injustice for them to be deleted. Don't let them (mods) get the better of you. If you remove all your levels, they win. Just don't react to rashly and delete all your hard work.If I need to, I'll ask Veyneru to start a petition so that you don't remove your levels. We'll get all of LBPC to sign it. I'll do it too!2011-09-27 20:16:00

Author:
biorogue
Posts: 8424

Please don't delete your levels.
Pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pweeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaase!

Or I'll take myself hostage!


This makes me think... should we have a function to limit whoever is able to visit our levels by age? Like if you make a level with more mature content and you want no one above 12 playing it, there could be a setting for that. Before each player could enter said level, the game would check the players' PSN account info and anybody of age below 12 is respectfully told to buzz off. Like a bouncer checking everyone's ID's at a club's entrance.		2011-09-27 20:24:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Please don't delete your levels.
Pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pweeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaase!

Or I'll take myself hostage!


:kz: I think he's serious! Do whatever he says, just Don't Delete your Levels!		2011-09-27 21:48:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Good to hear you've found out what the ban was for. Seems an understandable reason to me, and hopefully this will make everyone think twice before jumping to the "Sony are moderating levels for no reason" excuse and starting petitions and stuff.

So, moving on... delete your levels if you want, because after all they're your levels, but that seems a bit of stupid thing to do. A lot of people enjoy your levels, and whatever reasons you have for wanting to remove them, remember that you're denying more people from playing them and having fun. Just leave them, they aren't doing you any harm.


This makes me think... should we have a function to limit whoever is able to visit our levels by age? Like if you make a level with more mature content and you want no one above 12 playing it, there could be a setting for that. Before each player could enter said level, the game would check the players' PSN account info and anybody of age below 12 is respectfully told to buzz off. Like a bouncer checking everyone's ID's at a club's entrance.

No. Just make sure your levels are 7+. It's not hard, and LBP isn't the place for more mature content anyway.		2011-09-27 22:27:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

:kz: I think he's serious! Do whatever he says, just Don't Delete your Levels!

Never negotiate. Nuke your whole world!

Nah... Just go back through your stuff and play them like a 12 year old would. Looking for obvious filth.

Dress up in a fake tan, a peroxide blond wig and a pink cat nose and upload unrelated pics of yourself while playing. Don't forget to boo it also.

This actually worries me though. I'm going to great lengths to make a very detailed Back To The Future stage and 1985's clock tower square has a few 'adult' buildings including a XXX sign. I guess it doesn't matter that it us a PG movie and was a subtle theme from the directors about how giant malls destroy local business and the feeling of community town centers used to offer.

Look on the bright side I guess; it took two years before someone took offence I guess that the person that complained would be one of the last people to play in your activity list.		2011-09-27 22:41:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

Just boot up LBP1, reupload the level except replace the sticker with a sackboy using one of the scared emotions and then take the photo for the sticker with a makeshift bush in front of his abdomen and lower torso. Would add some humor. Also remove XXX.2011-09-28 00:06:00

Author:
Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

So, moving on... delete your levels if you want, because after all they're your levels, but that seems a bit of stupid thing to do. A lot of people enjoy your levels, and whatever reasons you have for wanting to remove them, remember that you're denying more people from playing them and having fun. Just leave them, they aren't doing you any harm.

No. Just make sure your levels are 7+. It's not hard, and LBP isn't the place for more mature content anyway.

You kind of contradict yourself here, because judging from feedback I've recieved over the years the very reason people enjoy my levels so much is that they present a darker, more adult side to LBP. If I made sure my levels are kiddie-friendly then they wouldn't be "ungreth" any more, and if LBP is no place for mature content then I, as a creator, have no place in LBP. As for my levels doing me no harm, I think getting banned from PSN is harm enough to justify deleting them.

And SnipySev...the age restricted lock-out is the best idea I've heard in a long time!		2011-09-28 08:44:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I thought XXX meant "lots of kisses", is that SOOOOOOOOOOO wrong? 2011-09-28 09:38:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

So sorry to hear about this. All a bit over the top really.

If I were you I'd just just republish under a new PSN, so should it happen again it won't affect your main account.

..and be thankful it wasn't 'Stiff Pistons', they'd have probably given you a month for that. 		2011-09-28 10:10:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

Y'know, I'd love to know what kind of prudish puritan went and griefed me for such a thing.

"Ooh no! It's a neon lady in a bikini and three X's! I'm so offended that I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight!"

...and to think of the blatant adult innuendo that Banjo Kazooie got away with as an E rated game!

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPEXBjUOEihdIjSOqKecWByt11KlaOI HSIClA0sHY8pCL9FkFbpuQC2KcX		2011-09-28 10:19:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

...and to think of the blatant adult innuendo that Banjo Kazooie got away with as an E rated game!
Well, to be fair that probably took about as long to discover as it did for somebody to grief your level.		2011-09-28 10:45:00

Author:
Det
Posts: 37

Y'know, I'd love to know what kind of prudish puritan went and griefed me for such a thing.

Thing is, you expect there are people out there that would grief such a thing... I find it surprising that it was actually moderated. One look at the image in question would highlight that it's a perfectly acceptable image to a reasonable moderator, surely? There was some really nice corner editor work in there as well...		2011-09-28 10:56:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Bah, I'll better shut up before I'll start ranting about how much the World would be a better place without puritans like that good ol' goodgriefer 2011-09-28 11:47:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I also think that you can have fun with it. I was thinking about this today after you updated the thread and one of the signs I now have concerns about in what I am working on is a sign for a store called 'Cupids Adult Book Store'

I'll rename it "Cupids Book Store" and then a little smaller it will say "NO children's books". Which I think would be OK. An 'XXX' Sign may be harder to make kiddy friendly though. A noughts and crosses game with X winning was an idea. XOXO might be OK or maybe 'EEE' because the game is for 'everyone'.

All 'risky' words will be replaced with sack themed words as well, which potentially could be more amusing.

You could also have someone comment on the stitching of a Sack Lady... "Hmm that sakcperson's stitching looks loose, I'd sure like to spend an afternoon darning them"

And I'm sure there is some good clean jokes about zippers out there.		2011-09-28 13:18:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

Please don't delete your levels.
Pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pwease pweeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaase!

Or I'll take myself hostage!


This makes me think... should we have a function to limit whoever is able to visit our levels by age? Like if you make a level with more mature content and you want no one above 12 playing it, there could be a setting for that. Before each player could enter said level, the game would check the players' PSN account info and anybody of age below 12 is respectfully told to buzz off. Like a bouncer checking everyone's ID's at a club's entrance.

You kind of contradict yourself here, because judging from feedback I've recieved over the years the very reason people enjoy my levels so much is that they present a darker, more adult side to LBP. If I made sure my levels are kiddie-friendly then they wouldn't be "ungreth" any more, and if LBP is no place for mature content then I, as a creator, have no place in LBP. As for my levels doing me no harm, I think getting banned from PSN is harm enough to justify deleting them.

And SnipySev...the age restricted lock-out is the best idea I've heard in a long time!

The only thing I have to say about these points is this: you're wanting a kids game to have adult themes, and it's kinda like pushing a square peg through a circular hole. Yes, I said it, this game is for kids. It's right there on the game you bought, in a big ol' standardized label: E for everyone (or PEGI 7+ or whatever the European equivalent is.) While it may be difficult to understand why this bit of content was reported, say, over other published levels or things that may be deemed "worse", this criticism is focusing in on the wrong area. That's really just a flaw in the reporting and moderation process, which in the end is held up to subjectivity on the other end by a human being.

The true takeaway here is that you can create levels that are well-designed, contain mature themes, and still be appropriate for kids to see. You just have to work harder at taking the themes, motifs and subject matter and boiling them down to their basic elements. Personally, I don't think blood, gore, violence, sex or swearing have any place in LBP. But you can still make "mature" (as opposed to whimsical) levels without stooping to adult or sensational elements. Do the words "XXX" constitute an adult theme that may not be "appropriate" for LBP? Perhaps. I would argue that you could just as easily get the same effect by altering the subject matter, as Mr_Fusion pointed out in his suggestions.

@Ungreth: You and I have discussed this philosophical point before, I believe, in another thread some time ago. That doesn't mean that I don't respect your work or your creative ability. I hope you walk away from this experience undeterred and continue creating, I truly do.

We may all disagree on what is "appropriate", but in the end I think this is a lesson for all creators: keep the general audience of LBP (read: lots of little kids) in mind when considering adding mature elements to your level. It may just come back to bite you in the end.		2011-09-28 13:50:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Do what some movies (or even a lot of older cartoons) do, and make the underlying adult themes something that only adults could pick up on. It makes it harder to justify griefing a level, makes it easy for kids to miss, and makes you seem much more brilliant.2011-09-28 13:59:00

Author:
Det
Posts: 37

TBH, an online game isn't really the place for an unsupervised 7 year old anyway.2011-09-28 14:12:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

An 'XXX' Sign may be harder to make kiddy friendly though.

I'd maybe stuff the XXX into a neon sign of a tic tac toe game with the O's and X's lighting up in a pattern (and at one point show only the winning triple X light up). If would be funny if through your level a kid would associate an 'XXX' sign it may see in the streets IRL with tic tac toe.		2011-09-28 15:31:00

Author:
Antikris
Posts: 1340

The only thing I have to say about these points is this: you're wanting a kids game to have adult themes, and it's kinda like pushing a square peg through a circular hole. Yes, I said it, this game is for kids. It's right there on the game you bought, in a big ol' standardized label: E for everyone (or PEGI 7+ or whatever the European equivalent is.) While it may be difficult to understand why this bit of content was reported, say, over other published levels or things that may be deemed "worse", this criticism is focusing in on the wrong area. That's really just a flaw in the reporting and moderation process, which in the end is held up to subjectivity on the other end by a human being.

The true takeaway here is that you can create levels that are well-designed, contain mature themes, and still be appropriate for kids to see. You just have to work harder at taking the themes, motifs and subject matter and boiling them down to their basic elements. Personally, I don't think blood, gore, violence, sex or swearing have any place in LBP. But you can still make "mature" (as opposed to whimsical) levels without stooping to adult or sensational elements. Do the words "XXX" constitute an adult theme that may not be "appropriate" for LBP? Perhaps. I would argue that you could just as easily get the same effect by altering the subject matter, as Mr_Fusion pointed out in his suggestions.

@Ungreth: You and I have discussed this philosophical point before, I believe, in another thread some time ago. That doesn't mean that I don't respect your work or your creative ability. I hope you walk away from this experience undeterred and continue creating, I truly do.

We may all disagree on what is "appropriate", but in the end I think this is a lesson for all creators: keep the general audience of LBP (read: lots of little kids) in mind when considering adding mature elements to your level. It may just come back to bite you in the end.


Do what some movies (or even a lot of older cartoons) do, and make the underlying adult themes something that only adults could pick up on. It makes it harder to justify griefing a level, makes it easy for kids to miss, and makes you seem much more brilliant.

You're both preaching to the choir here. I understand how it works, and what your suggesting is what I've been doing all along. So don't get me wrong, because I don't believe that "anything goes" in LBP. I have always tried hard to make my "adult" content borderline; implicit not explicit, and pitched at a level that adults would recognise the underlying themes while younger players would not, just as many "family" movies do these days. If I was to make my levels exactly how I wanted them then they would be far more extreme than they are, but I'm always mindful of the fact that kids are playing the game too.

I have a 5 year old daughter and I have never made a level that I have not allowed her to play. To her Stiff Pistons is nothing more than a funny dancing man who turns into an alien at the end. To an adult, it's...well...more than that. As for the level in question here, Sackboy Proves He's Got Stuffin', neither my daughter nor my 13 year old stepson even registered the presence or implications of the XXX sign. In fact my step-son still doesn't get why I was banned even after I explained it to him.

I have played many many levels in LBP where the creator has shown nowhere near the amount of discretion and sensitivity that I have always strived for to achieve a balance between staying true to my artistic vision and adhering to what is acceptable in an age rated game. There's some pretty nasty, highly graphic stuff floating around out there in LBP if you look for it, and my levels seem very tame in comparison. I think rtm said it best when he pointed out that while he understood that a certain type of player might grief my level, a sensible moderator considering things in context would not have imposed a ban for something like this.		2011-09-28 17:49:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I thought XXX meant "lots of kisses", is that SOOOOOOOOOOO wrong?

I thought SOOOOOOOOOO meant S and then "lots of hugs". Riiiight?		2011-09-28 20:36:00

Author:
Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

I have now locked down almost every level I have made, to avoid the risk of a permanent ban in future. (The only level remaining open is my teleport logic giveaway, which even the most puritanical bible basher could not describe as "offensive").

http://iink.blogg.se/images/2010/rip_117234972.jpg		2011-10-05 09:58:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

(The only level remaining open is my teleport logic giveaway, which even the most puritanical bible basher could not describe as "offensive").


:kz: "It uses Teleporters! It's made from Science! It's not a Creation of God!"

*Report*		2011-10-05 12:28:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

:kz: "it uses teleporters! It's made from science! It's not a creation of god!"

*report*

lol .		2011-10-05 12:35:00

Author:
The_Lil_JoKeR
Posts: 745

I have now locked down almost every level I have made, to avoid the risk of a permanent ban in future. (The only level remaining open is my teleport logic giveaway, which even the most puritanical bible basher could not describe as "offensive").

http://iink.blogg.se/images/2010/rip_117234972.jpg



Sony, I hate you. And you too, immature community.		2011-10-05 13:20:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

Wait did someone change the title of the topic?2011-10-05 13:46:00

Author:
Darkcloudrepeat
Posts: 606

Wait did someone change the title of the topic?

Exactly what I was thinking, as it doens't seem you did do it Ungreth, but yeah, sorry you had to delete your levels :/		2011-10-05 18:18:00

Author:
Dragonvarsity
Posts: 5208

Actually it was me that changed the thread title, since Sony confirmed that it's my level content that led to my suspension.

This is why I've locked all my levels down. If a neon sign depicting a woman in a bikini is enough to get me banned, then there's plenty more stuff in my other levels that could potentially cause them to ban me again.		2011-10-05 18:56:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Wait Ungreth I don't see why Space Assassins would be ban worthy and umm I didn't know the first one was Mm picked!? There's definitely no reason to lock it then because apparently Mm doesn't think it's bad at all... and considering your post in "Anyone leaving LBP"


I officially retired from LBP after publishing my last level (Space Assassins 2).

I've started training as a games artist/animator with a company called Train2Game and I need to concentrate on my studies which involve learning to use 3DS Max, Photoshop, etc, so I simply can't afford the time to work on any more levels. It's tough becuse my head is still full of stuff I want to do in LBP, but it's important that I remain focused and discipline myself.

I'll still be hanging around the forums like a bad smell that won't go away though

I am surprised you would take such measures to prevent being banned again if you don't plan on getting on too much in the future. I have had Space Assassins queued forever and now I'l never get to play it :/		2011-10-05 20:24:00

Author:
Dortr
Posts: 548

@Ungreth: Aaa, okay. I'd just expect you to say didn't since it was in no way your fault and showing a bikini shouldn't be considered "not appropriate for LBP". I do know LBP is for ages 7 and up but that shouldn't limit creators from recreating a classic horror story or subtly relating to a certain religion.2011-10-05 20:34:00

Author:
Dragonvarsity
Posts: 5208

Wait Ungreth I don't see why Space Assassins would be ban worthy and umm I didn't know the first one was Mm picked!? There's definitely no reason to lock it then because apparently Mm doesn't think it's bad at all... and considering your post in "Anyone leaving LBP"

I am surprised you would take such measures to prevent being banned again if you don't plan on getting on too much in the future. I have had Space Assassins queued forever and now I'l never get to play it :/

I guess you have a good point about Space Assassins. In retrospect, Mm must have considered it appropriate enough to give it a pick. Still, there's a pretty gruesome death scene that could draw complaints from protective mothers, and I'm sure the Church of Scientology wouldn't be to happy about some of the thinly veiled references in the level either. Anyway, you're welcome to a key if you'd like one. Just message me on PSN.


@Ungreth: Aaa, okay. I'd just expect you to say didn't since it was in no way your fault and showing a bikini shouldn't be considered "not appropriate for LBP". I do know LBP is for ages 7 and up but that shouldn't limit creators from recreating a classic horror story or subtly relating to a certain religion.

I'm actually a little paranoid that somebody could be deliberately targetting me with the grief reports just to spite me, so I'm playing things on the safe side for now.		2011-10-05 21:17:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

]Edit: I've since established that I was banned because of my level Sackboy Proves He's Got Stuffin' which featured a roadhouse sign depicting a bikini clad woman and a neon XXX. Doh!

What is the world coming to? It's slightly suggestive, yes, but there's no nudity, and it technically isn't mature subject matter at all.		2011-10-05 22:18:00

Author:
xero
Posts: 2419

I'm actually a little paranoid that somebody could be deliberately targetting me with the grief reports just to spite me, so I'm playing things on the safe side for now.

We have to make that person an offer he can't refuse.		2011-10-08 11:42:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

We have to make that person an offer he can't refuse.
I think that it would be better he he was sleeping with the fishes.		2011-10-08 12:13:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

I'm probably gonna regret this, but it seems that locking my stuff down has caused some dismay among those who have got a kick out of my creations, and those who never got the chance to play, so I've decided to say to hell with it and give the people what they want. Ungreth's moon is now open for business again.

If I get banned a second time, then let it be upon all your heads! :kz:		2011-10-09 11:37:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130


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