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I can't do it anymore.

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First of all, I've always hated rant threads like these, but at the moment, I don't really know where else to go or what else to do.

Let's go back a few months:

I befriend some of LBP's infamous trolls. They were nice to me, and decent people (or so it seemed at the time) and so I would hang out with them. They would do things here and there that I was iffy about, but sooner or later I'd just forget about it.

Now let's go ahead to a week or two ago. I'm at wit's end with these people, and decide to break off communication completely. Delete them from my friends' list, ignore them, etc. etc. Fine, right? I should be done?

Nope. Since I guess I was going for a completely new start in LBP, I change my costume, earth, avatar, etc. Insantly, I'm spammed with how much each of them suck. So I go about my business and just delete the comments. I know the best thing to do is ignore them.

Then, I decide to mess with some logic and publish a level.

Now, my levels aren't anything special, at all. They're all really short novelty levels that are just me experimenting with lighting and logic and all sorts of things so that I know what I'm doing when I finally make my real level.

Well, this group of people don't like my levels. Big deal, right? Lots of people don't like your levels or my levels or anyones levels. But that's not as far as it went. I never advertised my levels as being amazing or full of gameplay and excitement, yet these people acted like I did. No sooner that I put a level up, I was greeted with spam comments on my profile, and the level, and long unrelated hate reviews that were re-posted as soon as I took them down, and each time "METEOR DELETED THIS REVIEW 9 TIMES NOW BECAUSE HE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" or something was posted along with it.

I ignored it for a while, but then I figured the level was doing more harm than good by me keeping it up, so I just took it down. No sweat. It wasn't something I had worked extremely hard on, but still.

I think as a regular player of this game, I should be able to publish what I want (and it's not like I was posting FREE EMO COSTUME LEVEL H4H WITH REAL WATER or something, it was just some machinery that was a logic test.) and not get completely trash talked for publishing it.

Now, let's focus on a single person. The "no naming and shaming" rule prevents me from saying his name, but let's just say that he's fairly well known around the community, has an Mm picked level, and he just visited Media Molecule themselves this past week.

A lot of the community looks up to him, which I find odd because he's been nothing but rude to me and all of my friends from day one. When I deleted him from my friends list, he acted confused and questioned why, and then added me back.

Anyway: To prove just how terrible my (logic test!) level was, he spent a little bit of time remaking one of my levels, then brought me to his moon to tell me how awful my level was and how easy it was to make. He also likes to tell me on a regular basis that I can't and never will make a full level, and that I completely utterly suck at this game. My intelligence and ability to create are insulted regularly by him and all of the others.

Now let's jump back in time again. January of 2009. Just a little bit after LBP1 is released. I'm 12, I'm a noob, and I'm making boat bomb survival 0223747292 on my old PSN. I get my Playstation Eye camera, and happily paste a horrible picture of chubby, ugly 12 year old self on a piece of cardboard.

Thinking this person was a friend, I show them the levels (forgetting the picture was there) and he saves it on his sackboy. I'm invited to his game again later, and see that he's doodled all over it, added cameras and music. It was insulting, sure, but it was a 2 year old picture and I didn't feel like arguing.

So just today, the guy tells me that while he was at Mm, he pulled out the picture along with the cameras and music and everything else, and all of the Mm team laughed hysterically at my face. Could this have been a lie to make me feel like trash? Sure, but then what if it's not?

I guess this was kind of where I drew the line. I know it's just a joke, but I think I should be able to play this game without being harassed in every possible way for anything I do, say, play, or create, and I think I should be able to be 12 and paste a picture of myself in the game without having the developers of the game laugh in my face, quite literally.

So I'm asking here, what do I do?

if I ditch my current PSN name, I lose all of my hearts and the very small fanbase I have that could be useful for when I finally finish my first full level. You know, to push it out in to the open for people to play.

Not to mention that these people will probably catch on eventually and start harassing me again.

If I keep this up though, then I feel like I truly can't play the game. I feel almost stressed and nervous when I turn it on, afraid of what I might have to deal with feedback wise on my levels or profile. I feel like I can't create anymore because anything I make, no matter how decent, will be ripped to shreds by these (popular and powerful) members of the community.

This is a video game, and I'm pretty sure video games are supposed to be fun.

If I should just throw the towel in and accept the fact that I'm not meant to be a decent part of this community, then someone please tell me now.

2011-08-24 04:10:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

I'm happy that i have only one hater. He was used to be on my friendlist, but later he started to copy my costumes. I deleted him, and then he started to spam my comments page, blackmail me in his levels etc.
If i'd be you, i wouldn't look my comments page, don't delete spam comment & reviews (that feeds the trolls) and act as that you don't care them.
Of course you can make new acco, but i don't recommend it.

2011-08-24 05:47:00

Author:
Dioxi

Posts: 61

Hmm that's a hard answer to tell ya what ya should do...
I'd like to help ya... but I'm not sure what's the best thing to do is...
Making a New PSN would be so sad a answer to your problem...
But A game should be fun... and if others won't let you... ERR...
I'm not sure what you should do... It take me a while to think of what...
I'll come back later hopefully with something better to say.
*mew

2011-08-24 05:54:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

Haters hate.... sad but true.

Based on what you've said I have a pretty good idea who we're talking about too.

My best suggestion would be to decide for yourself if you love the game enough to ignore people like this and continue to express yourself in the game. It's a lot like life, if you like doing something don't let ANYONE tell you not to do it (even indirectly.)

Sadly the best you can do would be to ignore these haters if you want to keep your psn name since there isn't really a system to deal with them unless they break rules. If they harass you or break any online rules be sure to report them in game. If Sony doesn't know what they're up to, nothing will ever be done.

Hang in there and know you are not alone. Haters hate, but strong people and people who know in their hearts they have something to give the community can overcome that hate and find their own reasons to be strong themselves.

2011-08-24 06:20:00

Author:
Morgana25

Posts: 5983

Thanks, Morgana.

I do love the game enough to keep going, I suppose. Since the day I bought LBP1, this has been and probably will continue to be my all-time favorite game series ever. I just love everything about it.

I'm not even that worried about my name. I don't even really like my name, and would be happy to change it, but I somehow doubt the 525 people who have hearted me thus far are going to want to go through the trouble of hearting me again.

I know hearts don't matter that much, but the more hearts I have, the more feeds I'm in, and like I said, the more likely I am to get my full levels noticed.

Oh, and trophies and save files and such.

2011-08-24 06:53:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

Wow, you've been so unlucky

Never had a hater group of my own, but I have experience with annoying-to-the-death players (luckily they were afraid of my kicking power, so that helped a bit).

I'd suggest that you ignore them on your PSN account, and Good Grief all insulting comments. Also, do not let LBP2 end up to be a too serious part of your life. I once had a similar situation (but with some hell-as-annoying PSN friends and friends-friends). Just take a break if it starts to feel bad, and return only when you feel like it.

If someone started harassing me, I would just ignore them and mind my own business (such as working on the Moon just for the fun)

2011-08-24 07:11:00

Author:
OrwellianStuff

Posts: 90

if i were you, i'd leave the comments there so anybody that reads them sees how big of douchebags they are.

2011-08-24 07:41:00

Author:
nunsmasher

Posts: 247

I say if you want to keep the hearts, unfriendly the guy again and add him to your block list so he is unable to add you again. That won't be able to stop him posting mean comments on your profile though...

2011-08-24 08:37:00

Author:
Plasmavore

Posts: 1913

I don't get this "no naming and shaming" rule. If someone is behaving like a complete sackstard, let the community know who it is. Let MM know who it is, provide evidence if you can. Maybe they'll remove him/her from their MM picks. There's no excuse for behaving like this, in what is supposed to be a community friendly game. For someone that is apparantly well liked in the community for their creation(s), it's shameful.

This game is not an uber-competitive frag fest like CoD. It's a game that's meant to encourage people to play together, create together, have fun together, enjoy other player's creative talents. Anyone ruining the ethos of the game should be dealt with accordingly, especially high profile creators. Either report them to MM.... or perhaps this guy might do a decent job of dealing with them:

http://blogs.whatsontv.co.uk/tvspy/files/2008/06/dexter-solo-landscape.jpg

2011-08-24 10:34:00

Author:
Ali_Star

Posts: 4085

Like most said above me, do your best to ignore the knuckleheads, but it appears to me that you are being harassed or at the least feel harassed. That violates the acceptable use policy and if I were in that situation (and I was in a similar one a while back) and they continued to harass me, I'd report them. I'd give a warning, "if you bother me again, I'm reporting you."

A while back I had played some level and it was ok, so I "smiled" it but left some comments that were not mean but constructive. This id..mo..person, then decides to flame my profile with the usual "you suck" and "all your levels are crap" etc. I would just delete them and move on. He continued and would say something like "yeah, go ahead and delete this idiot, I'll be back tomorrow and the next day, every time you delete one, I'll be back" I told him if he commented on my profile again, I'm going to report him for harassment. Haven't seen him since.

Everyone is different, no situation the same, so what worked for me may not work for you. Hope it turns out well. DO NOT Let these idiots bully you into changing your PSN or quitting. Report them. Take screenshots of the comments and save them for your records as proof.

2011-08-24 14:01:00

Author:
biorogue

Posts: 8424

I would never lets some annoying people on LBP force me to delete my account. Everyone just look at his earth and look at some of his comments or something. I did and I noticed this one guy on my friends list.. (name starts with J) and he is always crazy mean to everyone, and hes been on my friends list since early LBP1 and I just noticed hes a big jerk like 3 months ago. Hes nice to me but super mean to everyone who is not already his friend. Geez things like this are irritating....

2011-08-24 15:29:00

Author:
Unknown User

Rise above it - don't bring yourself down to their level.

You should just always remember that when other people see a comment like that - they don't think "Hmm This Hater is right on the money! I bet his levels are the SUXXOR!"; they think "What a sad loser for wasting their own time on such a pointless comment" ;

They don't make YOU look bad- they make THEMSELVES look bad

2011-08-24 18:25:00

Author:
Macnme

Posts: 1970

Let's go back a few months:
I befriend some of LBP's infamous trolls. They were nice to me, and decent people (or so it seemed at the time) and so I would hang out with them. They would do things here and there that I was iffy about, but sooner or later I'd just forget about it.

Well, they are "infamous" for a reason y'know and it sounds like you're starting to understand why.

Now, let's focus on a single person. The "no naming and shaming" rule prevents me from saying his name, but let's just say that he's fairly well known around the community, has an Mm picked level, and he just visited Media Molecule themselves this past week.

I'm not sure if I know who you're talking about (hang on a sec, now I think I know

)

But anyway, What's this about him visiting Media Molecule? When did that happen? And why?

2011-08-24 19:27:00

Author:
D-E-S_87

Posts: 148

Sounds like you got a troll problem.
They act like children. I wish i could help fend them off.
I've seen alot of this. I wish I could help.
And to that one dude. He is trying way to hard.
The fact that he remade one of your levels made me laugh so hard!
It's just embarrassing that he went of his way like that. XD
I hope it all turns out good!

2011-08-24 19:30:00

Author:
Unknown User

Just ignore them.

If yer don't reply, they can't. As I similairily quote repeatedly to other people with the same problem/haters.

2011-08-24 19:45:00

Author:
Denim360

Posts: 482

I would of deleted him a year ago if I was you personally lol. Just delete & block the person & then just don't care so much about comments. Ignore them, even if it's a long time they continue they will eventually get bored with wasting their time with comment after comment with no type of response at all. Don't make a new account if you don't want to, they will probably find it out if you use a site like this anyways sooner or later.

2011-08-24 19:54:00

Author:
IAmChavez

Posts: 142

Given what you've said, I would probably hop on twitter and tweet some of the folks at media molecule about this alleged incident with the level/picture. I'm quite certain they wouldn't like having their name dragged through the mud like that, and they seem pretty open to talking to folks on twitter.

As for the rest of it, I would say ignore them, but that's hard sometimes. Maybe a better way to deal with it is find a new circle of friends to play LBP with.

On another note, try not to look up to strangers. It's ok to respect them, or even admire good things they've done, but the only way you can look up to someone is if you put yourself beneath them. You are not beneath anyone, and if other people treat you that way then they are not worth your time.

2011-08-24 20:58:00

Author:
tdarb

Posts: 689

Maybe it is something worth mentioning to Mm themselves, but twitter is way too public.

2011-08-24 21:40:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

This saddens me. It'd be so great if the community Had remained troll-less forever.
Don't listen to them, mate, pretend they don't exist. If you vanish from the game, they win. Their goal is precisely that. If you show any sign they're getting to you, you're only encouraging them. Ignore all the trolls and don't let them know you aknowlegde their trolling, it's the only way to frustrate them.

And Macnme is right, wHen I visit someone's moon And there is one or more persons insulting and talking crap the first thing that comes to my mind is "trolls, poor person" and not "they must be speaking the truth, this person sucks". GeeZ, those Buttheads...
Also, I'm pretty sure no onE at MM has seen your picture Let alone laughed at it. OnLy kids laugh at things like doodling on pictures and surely the molecules have better taste than that. But trolls can make anything sound like the truth

2011-08-24 21:41:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

Maybe it is something worth mentioning to Mm themselves, but twitter is way too public.

You can send Spaff an email. I doubt it will help your situation, but it might be nice to have him realize that he is dealing with a kid with a mean streak, though I am sure he really does know all too well by now.

Best bet as others have said is to ignore them all. Delete and block them. Leave their comments on there as proof of their stupidity... if they get super nasty, then you have proof of their childish antics and can good grief their comments.

Sorry to say this as you have learned your lesson now, but I cannot believe how many times I have heard complaints about these same people and folks seem to want to be their friends for some strange reason. You play with trolls, you end up getting trolled yourself once you do something out of their favor, point out something mean they did, or decide to finally leave them behind.

There are a ton of amazing nice folks here on LBPC and in the LBP community. Fill up your PSN list with nice people, have a great time and leave all the trolls in the past.

Best of luck!

2011-08-24 22:10:00

Author:
jwwphotos

Posts: 11383

Just ignore them, that's all you do :/........

2011-08-25 00:12:00

Author:
zzmorg82

Posts: 948

All of these recent events truly reveal how immature this "said person" is. I have many many incidents where they have acted like a complete ******. It honestly shows how biased Mm can be at times. Their latest picked level, is the worst Mm Pick I've seen yet. It isn't very hard to make a menu system linked to a myriad of emitters. He had no right to recreate your level an personally insult you (you can't be ugly if he kept your picture for two years

)

They exploits glitches in the game which ends up ruining the game for many people. Mm then takes a liking to them (the person that is constantly breaking their game) and decides to invite them over for tea. Favoritism at it's finest?

If I were in your situation I would send an email to the Molecules (like they would care), I'd get people to tweet it, and you should file a ban report to Sony (not MM). I'm sure if enough people have filed one against them that Sony will ban their PSN. Nobody deserves to be trolled by such a pathetic soul.

2011-08-25 05:43:00

Author:
tanrockstan34

Posts: 1076

All of these recent events truly reveal how immature ******* is (yes, I said his name *gasp*). I have many many incidents where he has acted like a complete ******. It honestly shows how biased Mm can be at times.

He exploits glitches in the game which ends up ruining the game for many people. Mm then takes a liking to him (the person that is constantly breaking their game) and decides to invite him over for tea. Favoritism at it's finest?

If I were in your situation I would send an email to the Molecules (like they would care), I'd get people to tweet spam it, and you should file a ban report to Sony (not MM). I'm sure if enough people have filed one against Hazbell that Sony will ban his PSN. Nobody deserves to be trolled by such a pathetic soul.

Wow, way to go, you took a thread from a desperate community member who was asking for a bit of advice as civil as possible and turned it on its heels. There is absolutely no need to run in to a civil thread guns-a-blazing and throwing accusations out in an attempt to demonize a creator and Mm and spark some stupid witch hunt. You have some serious delusions of grandeur to think you can or have ever made a real difference in pff- a video game. This is a simple situation which can be handled with care and confidants, not through mob mentality, spam, abuse of the grief system, and biting the hand that feeds (so generously at that).

@OP, it's the tree that bends that doesn't break. If you keep your chin up and give them no reaction, they will gain no satisfaction from their pathetic antics. Do not give them the victory of running you out of your psn.

2011-08-25 06:00:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805

Posts: 1924

I never said I made a difference. I'm sorry if you have not had an personal encounters with this person but if you had you would rethink what you said. This is obviously going to end up as a flame war so why don't we both quit now.

2011-08-25 06:06:00

Author:
tanrockstan34

Posts: 1076

Hey guys, the rule about saying specific names in cases like this is to protect everyone.

Since many of us know who the party in question is please don't put the name (even in code)

Let's keep this thread focused on advice and support for the op and what his options might be for reporting behavior that violates EULA.

I know it's frustrating playing by the rules when so many don't, but that's why they are notorious and part of the problem in the community. Let's try and stay positive and part of the solution.

2011-08-25 06:29:00

Author:
Morgana25

Posts: 5983

littlebigmeteor you are in good Company,
mostly every good Creator has its own Hater!

Sad, but true, some infantile Members of this mostly nice Community have nothing better to do than to discourage People who build nice Levels.

So just keep up with your work, and don't let them win!
If you don't like their Comments to be seen on your Profile, find People to "spam" your Profile with nice stuff,
nobody scrolls through Pages full of Comments ( only People with no RL

)

2011-08-25 06:41:00

Author:
Dhana777

Posts: 122

There's a phrase that goes something like "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by". I believe it was Sun Tzu that said that.

I have no idea who you are talking about (I think I am the only one), so i can't judge them personally, but as you grow older you start to see that people like the ones you described will usually do themselves in. Just do what you know is right, and have fun. You don't have to engage them or go after them. They will do more damage to themselves anyway when they step on the wrong toes, and you don't even have to get your hands dirty. The fact that so many people here seem to have a less than stellar opinion of them says a good deal. Trust me, behavior like that does not go unnoticed for long. It won't be long before they treat someone else the way they did you, and it will come back to bit them. It may not be in LBP; it may not even be in the next five years, but it will happen.

Meanwhile, grab a blanket and a snack and enjoy the river. It's a lovely day. No need to waste it fighting or fretting.

2011-08-25 08:23:00

Author:
tdarb

Posts: 689

I'd love to be famous enough to have my own hater

2011-08-25 11:27:00

Author:
Ali_Star

Posts: 4085

Harassment is clearly against the Terms of Service (http://us.playstation.com/support/termsofuse/). Send something to Sony. I would say you have a legitimate case.

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...
4. Is obscene, defamatory, threatening, harassing, predatory, pornographic, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive, or encourages conduct that would violate any law or is otherwise inappropriate;

Your LBP profile, levels, and the LBP.me site fall under the jurisdiction of this document.

2011-08-25 13:34:00

Author:
schm0

Posts: 1239

There's the internet for you.
But, I seriously agree with the others that suggested a report. This has gone a bit too far for a video game. You made the right choice by de-friending them. That doesn't give them any right whatsoever to harass you over it. I'm certain you have more friends than enemies, and if you let the community know they might help. The good may outweigh the bad. You spent good money for the game and the system, so don't let them be the boss of it or you. Trolling is one thing, but harassment is another. Simple trolls wouldn't drive you away from a whole game and cause you to create a whole new profile. You told the "Little Big Comment" guy off by warning a report, right? Hopefully, the same will work. It saddens me to hear that the community looks up to such a jerk.

2011-08-25 14:08:00

Author:
Sackpapoi

Posts: 1195

Nothing really to add onto what everyone else has said but I might like to add that there is no solid evidence that ******* ever went to Mm and if he did, no evidence Mm would spend the time to do something as juvenile as laugh at a picture of another player. Just keep that in mind.

2011-08-25 16:19:00

Author:
Unknown User

As people have previously posted, don't delete comments, etc. That feeds the trolls.
http://katie73.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg

2011-08-25 16:30:00

Author:
flyinhawaiian

Posts: 357

I'd love to be famous enough to have my own hater

Hehe, that's funny. I've never had a hater. I've had a rude person here or there. I don't really care though. It's just a game. I leave up all comments, as long as they aren't truly mean or vulgar.

I find walking away the most effective recourse.

2011-08-25 18:05:00

Author:
CYMBOL

Posts: 1230

I might like to add that there is no solid evidence that ******* ever went to Mm

The user you talk about in the post has pictures uploaded of him with Mm employees, and has the touching royalty pin. I'd say that's enough evidence.

2011-08-25 18:27:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

The user you talk about in the post has pictures uploaded of him with Mm employees, and has the touching royalty pin. I'd say that's enough evidence.

Sooooooo? Read your other advice and follow that. Turn on the positive energy and stop concerning yourself with the antics of one person.

2011-08-25 18:37:00

Author:
jwwphotos

Posts: 11383

Sooooooo? Read your other advice and follow that. Turn on the positive energy and stop concerning yourself with the antics of one person.

No no, I didn't really mean anything by it. I was just telling the other poster that he has indeed been to Mm studios.

2011-08-25 19:56:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

Then listen to my other statement.

2011-08-25 20:35:00

Author:
Unknown User

I think the way you've got to look at it is that who ever's doing it really needs to get a life. Especially to the extremes they seem to be taking it, I mean seriously, recreating one of your levels? In almost all walks of life, those who go out of their way to make someone feel bad are in a bad place themselves with little going for them. There's no other reason behind it. I'm sure everyone enjoys the odd little troll now and again, but this is far beyond minor trolling. Once you start ignoring them they'll go away as they thrive of the reaction you give.

On a related note, I wouldn't be deleting any comments people write as this not only adds fuel to the fire as you're reacting to them, it can also paint a bad picture of you. Consider this, anyone with half a brain can spot a troll comment or review and if you look at most levels' reviews you see these comments are given the thumbs down. Now consider if you removed the comments, it does kind of justify what the trolls are trying to say about you not facing up to the truth. In this instance, a bad comment is most definitely better than a removed comment.

2011-08-25 20:54:00

Author:
Xaif

Posts: 365

I seriously have an hard time imagining MM doing something so childish. I doubt that guy just pulled the photo out and said "laugh at him".
MM would probably would have laughed at him, for being so immature.

Whatever he did, he's just saying ******** to you to make you angry.
Remove him from friend list, put him on ignore list, and leave the comments on, they don't make you look bad to smart people, and they can serve you as evidence.
Just report him to MM AND Sony, and continue to enjoy your time on LBP while that nuthead keeps wasting time being the immature troll he is.
If you don't listen, and just ignore him...
It might take some time, but eventually he'll lose interest.
Who knows MM might actually do something with him.
Tell your friends to report him as well, AND REMEMBER, in the end he has much more to lose than you!

Keep fightning, justice will be served.

2011-08-25 23:02:00

Author:
Flame Dragon

Posts: 312

2011-08-30 07:47:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

Wow! That sounds horrible!

But you said one thing that caught my eye:

So just today, the guy tells me that while he was at Mm, he pulled out the picture along with the cameras and music and everything else, and all of the Mm team laughed hysterically at my face. Could this have been a lie to make me feel like trash? Sure, but then what if it's not?

That is not true. I wouldn't think so. The developers are not like that and definitely wouldn't stand for a level if they knew that it was used for teasing and harassing other players. Personal promise.

So today I get like 10 invites from said person. I get annoyed, and join to see what he wants. He said he was sorry, and that he didn't and never would show the picture of me to Mm. Then he started acting like I was his best friend.

Don't get involved. If anything just ignore it and let the invite run until he get bored. If he lied about the photo thing then who knows what he wants now.

2011-08-30 08:18:00

Author:
Julianotis1

Posts: 110

I understand your reasoning not to name him, but out of curiosity, is the unnamed troll you were mentioning in your post Ionpulsar?

I found him before he was known. One of my favourite creators had made a pretty good level, but he was just hating on it non-stop. So I went through his reviews, not one positive, mostly "music sucked, scenery sucked, never make a level again," and it kinda made me mad, especially when after the person he had been rude to writes him back simply saying "A down rating would have sufficed, you don't have to be so rude," or anything along the lines, he would just get ruthless on their profile, and never leave them alone. So I ended up messaging him, saying "Why can't you just give constuctive criticism instead of being an ***."

Bad move by me. I got spammed by "why u so butthurt" and "umad bro?" and he also took a jab at my levels, telling me to "spend more than 5 minutes in create mode." I was pretty proud of my level, it was my first level ever, but I got pretty upset, I ended up removing my level from my earth and deleting it from my moon, and went on some sort of LBP hiatus.

Now obviously, after months, I got back into it, and in all honesty, I've been brainstorming ideas and pulling all-nighters learning logic and analog signals to try and get that MM Pick, just to know I was on his level, so to speak.

Also, I only named him because he is notorious for being like this, so why not let people know who were talking about

2011-08-30 08:37:00

Author:
Clayton

Posts: 181

2011-08-30 10:07:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

No way, are you serious? Okay, I was sure that was who you meant, now I am confused as to who it is?

I'll have to check, I do know of some MM picked trolls, maybe I can find out who it was?

2011-08-30 10:11:00

Author:
Clayton

Posts: 181

So today I get like 10 invites from said person. I get annoyed, and join to see what he wants. He said he was sorry, and that he didn't and never would show the picture of me to Mm. Then he started acting like I was his best friend.

I am confus

Is it really sad to say that I had anticipated him to turn around and ask for your forgiveness, Meteor?

I don't know him personally but from what I've seen him do in the past and from what one of my friends state, he has extremely low self-esteem; therefore, it would kinda make sense on why he'd bully you until you've broken enough, and then turn around, apologize profusely, and tape you back up to pretend it never happened. From a certain (and strange) point-of-view, it can seem that his extreme bullying is his way of showing his appreciation of you being around...even though it may not look like it at all. Either that or you just happened to be "nearby" for him to target his anger and frustation about himself. I just hate how he has an obnoxious way of making himself feel better, and he also seems to know that even though he could bother you enough to make you hate him, you'd come back to him despite all of the damage he's done.

I remember long ago that he had told my friend that he has an extremely short temper and knows he will go wild, but once he calms down he is incredibly apologetic. I guess that's what's happening now? Who knows how many people he has told that to...

By the way, I'm not saying that any of what I said is actually true (except for that second paragraph), but it could be! And one thing is for sure: I'm seriously glad I didn't accept his friend request nor his PSN invites.

Edit: I'm not trying to defend the troll in any way. Rather, I'm trying to give a possible explanation for his actions so you can crush him to bits and pieces get a better understanding of why he does things the way he does. I hope things simmer down for you, Meteor. You seriously have had enough of drama.

2011-08-30 12:08:00

Author:
Qrii_Nakari

Posts: 204

So today I get like 10 invites from said person. I get annoyed, and join to see what he wants. He said he was sorry, and that he didn't and never would show the picture of me to Mm. Then he started acting like I was his best friend.

I am confus

Littlebig, the worst thing you can do is feed a troll. This person is not your friend. You've never met this person in your life. Why would you give them the time of day after what you went through?

If any analogy is apt in this scenario, then it is truly that of the moth to the flame.

I sympathize with your human nature and willingness to forgive, if it were anywhere but an online video game connected via the internet.

I would ignore this person altogether and move on, as it only seems like they are causing you to be confused, hurt, offended, harassed, hopeful and upset, and not necessarily in that order. Why bother?

2011-08-30 13:39:00

Author:
schm0

Posts: 1239

Littlebig, the worst thing you can do is feed a troll. This person is not your friend. You've never met this person in your life. Why would you give them the time of day after what you went through?

If any analogy is apt in this scenario, then it is truly that of the moth to the flame.

I sympathize with your human nature and willingness to forgive, if it were anywhere but an online video game connected via the internet.

I would ignore this person altogether and move on, as it only seems like they are causing you to be confused, hurt, offended, harassed, hopeful and upset, and not necessarily in that order. Why bother?
In other words, don't befriend trolls no matter what they tell you. And just dont respond to them. Him saying sorry is not a true sorry, it is probably just so he/she can get somebody else to taunt you again later. And if that happens, just leave the comments there, and dont reply to them. Thats what I do, and it works very very well.

2011-08-30 13:58:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro

Posts: 482

So today I get like 10 invites from said person. I get annoyed, and join to see what he wants. He said he was sorry, and that he didn't and never would show the picture of me to Mm. Then he started acting like I was his best friend.

I am confused(fixed)

Maybe he has looked at this thread and was scared that you would end up reporting his behavior. Well, there isn't much else that would explain the change of tune.

Anyway, I hate to repeat myself but I've had no answer to this question

What's this about him visiting Media Molecule? When did that happen? And why?

2011-08-30 16:32:00

Author:
D-E-S_87

Posts: 148

What's this about him visiting Media Molecule? When did that happen? And why?

Once again, its probably a lie. If he's as big of a creator and you guys are telling me then he probably went and visited but the whole thing with them laughing at his face is just disgusting and probably untrue. I reallyyyyy want to know the name of this guy.

2011-08-30 18:16:00

Author:
Julianotis1

Posts: 110

I reallyyyyy want to know the name of this guy.
Don't ask. the people who told got their comments deleted, and for good reason i may say.
and it's not that hard to find out for yourself if you really wanted to know.
*mew

2011-08-30 18:22:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz

Posts: 4261

Don't ask. the people who told got their comments deleted

Not everyone

2011-08-30 18:28:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

First: 'I am confus' is kind of a meme, or atleast it is on the forums I've been to. That wasn't an error.

Second, he really has been to Mm. he has the touching royalty pin, and there are pictures of him with the staff.

It's not really this person that I'm worried about, though. It's the two original profile comment spammers. If I said their names, I'm sure you'd know them too. They get all of their friends to gang up and boo my levels. Considering how popular they all are, that completely throws my levels under the bus and makes it pointless.

I'm starting to question whether it's worth the drama to stay. I love to game, a lot... but I'm not any good at creating, and I'm no use to the community. It might be better to just find something else to do, sadly.

2011-08-30 19:08:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

2011-08-30 19:31:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

Just had a look at your lbp.me page and while I'm no expert on the matter, if the player that you just commented on is one of the players that you are referring to...you've probably just let him know in a big way that he's got a live one on the hook here.

Exactly... what part of Don't Feed a Troll do you (LittleBig) not get?

..unless of course you just love attention and drama. Then by all means continue, you're doing great!

2011-08-30 19:39:00

Author:
jwwphotos

Posts: 11383

Exactly... what part of Don't Feed a Troll do you (LittleBig) not get?

..unless of course you just love attention and drama. Then by all means continue, you're doing great!

Letting things go was never something I was good at, unfortunately. It was just a jerk reaction after seeing everything happen again.

It just feels like if I don't say anything, if I just take it, then I'm letting them win, even though I know it's not true. I think I just let it get to me again.

I know I'm doing very poorly at stopping it.

This is usually what happens:

*doo dee doo lala let's get on LBP2*

*Sees that my levels have been snotted on*

"..Wow. That's not true, at all. If they're going to troll me fine, but they should at least get their facts straight.. I just can't do anything without them doing this... I should just go and say one thing and then stop. Maybe that will get through to them?"

But nope. I just "feed the trolls" and then come on here and realize how dumb I was to do so. I'm just not good at handling these things. It feels like everyone is going to see these things and go "Wow, Meteor doesn't even stand up for himself!"

As you can see I'm terrible at dealing with trolls. Like, awful. I trust people too much, I'm too forgiving, and I can't let things go.

2011-08-30 23:11:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

It feels like everyone is going to see these things and go "Wow, Meteor doesn't even stand up for himself!"

I think it shows more character to laugh and shrug it off. A sad byproduct of internet anonymity is that some people think it gives them free reign to say and do whatever they want when they wouldn't normally have the "sack" to do it in person. Kinda makes them seem a little sad, don't you think?

2011-08-31 01:07:00

Author:
Chazprime

Posts: 587

I get a lot of irrelevant hate reviews and comments too. But this isn't about me so I won't bore anyone with my life story.

What you should just do is just not take them seriously. And if they continue to make those posts, you should comment on their profile that you and your friends are all laughing at them or something. Don't bother deleting the comments, because if they're just gonna keep remaking the review/comments, there's no point in deleting them.

Now, if some jerk on your friends list is constantly insulting you or taking your creations, you should just unfriend him. Even if he kisses up to Mm, he's a jerk. Unfriend him and if he asks why you unfriended him, tell him to deal with it and block him.

2011-08-31 03:12:00

Author:
Chdonga

Posts: 388

Yea just like my little troll problem I just ignore him, & tell everyone that brings him up to ignore him. But my troll problem is different than yours so....yea lol I would talk to them since i'm friends but I think it would cause more harm than good.

2011-08-31 03:33:00

Author:
lve_msg

Posts: 408

But nope. I just "feed the trolls" and then come on here and realize how dumb I was to do so. I'm just not good at handling these things. It feels like everyone is going to see these things and go "Wow, Meteor doesn't even stand up for himself!"

As you can see I'm terrible at dealing with trolls. Like, awful. I trust people too much, I'm too forgiving, and I can't let things go.

I don't think anyone here would believe that a lack of intelligence led to your decisions. You are acting as any rational person who becomes flustered by comments clearly meant to do that very thing. What you need to do is realize that without good griefing and/or ignoring and deleting you are playing right into what they want.

1) Report
2) Delete
3) Move on

Thats all you ever have to do.

2011-08-31 04:15:00

Author:
schm0

Posts: 1239

I can understand your frustration man. I'm not sure what to say that everybody else hasn't already said (I love the sound of my own voice... err... keyboard, so I'm sure I'll think of something). You're still young and it seems to me that being able to let things go is a trait that most people don't develop until later, if at all, so your frustration and your behavior are completely understandable. You could use this as an opportunity to learn that trait, and let me tell you, you'll be much happier in life if you learn it sooner rather than later.

I'm not saying that you should let people walk all over you. I'm a firm believer in "you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_s-Qk07KxA)," but most things aren't worth standing for. Think of it this way: if a five year old kid called you a "booger-brain," would you really feel the need to defend yourself? Of course not--it's just some kid and it's a meaningless insult. Personally I value the five-year-old's opinion more than that of a troll. But, while I wouldn't feel the need to stand up to these guys, I certainly wouldn't flee either--that would definitely put you into the "fall for anything" category.

... a little too personal maybe...
Indeed. I meant to keep it anonymous but on the odd chance that anybody might figure out who I'm talking about or that he might find this thread himself and be offended, I'll omit my story.

As others have said, I think you should just cut the guy off. If he apologizes, then I would politely accept the apology and let him know that you don't hold anything against him (even if you do--sometimes just saying that you forgive somebody is all that it takes to help you to forgive them for real). But don't accept his friend requests and don't enter any further discussions. Just because you forgive somebody doesn't mean you have to trust them or leave yourself open to them. Or maybe this was the personal part that ought to be left out. Guess I'll remove it too

Anyway, that's my two cents worth. Hope it helps.

2011-08-31 07:12:00

Author:
Sehven

Posts: 2188

sehven is right about forgiving; a little too personal maybe, but right.

These people look for reactions. They want you to get upset and go nuts. They want you to post threads like these and give up. It's what they do.

When they see that they have lost you to that, they start getting all sympathetic and make nice. It's a game. Let the dude go.

Do what sehven said. Say "Hey, I appreciate your apology and i accept it. It took a lot for you to admit what you did and to own up to it, but I would feel better if we just went our separate ways.". From that point on just ignore him. It takes a much stronger man to do that and let go than it does to say "OMG you troll, I hate you!"

Whatever you do, don't give up on LBP. There's some great people here on these forums, and in the community at large, that will be happy to help you with any problem you have. I'll help too, but I'm just good...well, I'm alright.

PS-If you got that reference, you're awesome.

2011-08-31 07:50:00

Author:
tdarb

Posts: 689

"..Wow. That's not true, at all. If they're going to troll me fine, but they should at least get their facts straight..

Mate, "trolling" and "getting facts straight" are terms that don't even go in the same sentence. The very essence of trolling is annoying other people with stupid, bigoted, unnecessary, provoking irrationality. They aren't getting their facts straight no matter how much you force them because they just don't want to.

That's why you don't fight them. They are like the Matrix's Agent Smith, they get stronger the more you do. You just stop resisting and they'll stop eventually. If you reply to their efforts, you just validate them and give them more fuel to keep on trolling.

About the negative stuff they leave on your levels, it could be much worse. Certain people are getting it worse than you. You're hearted by 500-something and I assume you have a fair lot of friends from LBPC to support you. Now imagine if the trolls were out to get a person with few hearts and no friends. When they published a level, it'd get a dozen boos and disapproving reviews with no followers or friends to balance the level's feedback ratio.

2011-08-31 11:03:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

Well said snipy, well said!

2011-08-31 12:49:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro

Posts: 482

I hate it when people say "Ignore it, it'll eventually stop." but that's the same as sticking your head in the sand and wishing that everything will work out in the end. But weirdly, this just might be the best solution in this case. I'd say go with what your instincts are telling you to do, whatever that is. And yeah, it is Overlord kid isn't it? I hope this gets resolved quickly, because even from an outside perspective, it doesn't sound like much fun being you right now.

And don't MM have an email address or something to allow you to get in contact with them, that might be a good start to getting him blocked.

2011-09-01 00:08:00

Author:
abyssalassassin

Posts: 717

Ok, I cant do it anymore either.. In response to metor who i think is so kind as to not even mention his name (Hazbell) is a notoriously evil gadder. Reporting him won't work and i was stupid enough to remain neutral and even defend him to LBPC. All I have ever said was I think its wrong that he hasn't hearted a single person and abuses his popularity. I HATE that Mm supports this terrible person, it makes me hate Mm because they do. He spam invites me every single day and I eventually accept just to talk... He then brags about publicly humiliating people and using his popularity to his advantage and it shows.. I was arguing with him about what he did to meteor and dustriver, as well as his infamous arguments with Felkroth and Ion Pulsar. I then had to leave for a minute with the intention to return but when i did come back to my Ps3 what do I see? "Your a horrid person Dortr and always have been" followed by the booing of all my levels and a completely N/A and hurtful review on Shadowbattle...

I truly feel that he is the WORST role model in the entirety of Little Big Planet.. He makes sackbots that have sex as well as made (or received and showed me) a naked model of Eve with genitalia included. Now i am a mature adult and laugh but its when he brings up things I say when I join him into the public via comments, it makes me sick that he would say those things to the community. He even went as far as to call me an arrogant ***** on his page (which I reported). I have seen the picture of meteor and the demeaning little contraption he made for teh lulz I guess that was wrong and hurt meteor. I told him regardless of how terrible he is in private I would still support his levels by hearting him, his levels and keeping my reviews and rates positive but did he stop? No...

I wonder if Meteor has ever heard his "Good side, Bad side" speech which basically means if you don't do exactly what he wants, then you get on his "Bad side" then he boos your levels and uses his mass popularity to crumble your reputation. There is a huge difference between what you comment and review (PUBLIC) and what you do when you join people (PRIVATE) and his mixing of the 2 concepts and manipulation is both wrong and cruel.

Reporting him won't work. i don't even think it is possible to ban Hazbell due to his status, even despite his bad reputation. I know I am over-dramatic and complain about Mm picks and how tons of them aren't the best people but he's just terrible..

Like I have stated before and I hate to play this card but I am widowed, 22 years old and an alcoholic.. So I am not the smartest or emotionally stable person. I have been in therapy and grief support for several months now and have been trying really hard to work on my anger and depression. LBP comes as a natural outlet for me and hence why my games are dark and violent.. I guess.. I state that I hate joining because I tend to be pessimistic and moan. I try really hard to make interesting levels and spend a lot of time making them exactly how I want then go out to comment others and play and heart other levels hoping and praying that they may return the favor.. I bust my butt trying to be a better person through this game as well as the hard work I put in my levels getting a few plays a day, while being harassed by a famous creator ruining my reputation and slandering me is just not worth it... I have lost hearts due to this argument and he has gained, nearing him to 4000 if he doesnt already have that by now.

Who are we to turn to if Mm wont do anything about him and his masses of fans rate everything he does up and anyone who opposes him down. The community has become complete and utter crap with leaders such as him guiding the community..

I guess this is the part where you guys say to do the same ol' stuff and grief and whatever but there seriously needed to be something done about him..

Since loosing my husband LBP has been the only thing I have to try to express myself and recover but just seeing the community's behavior and seeing Mm picks act like this as well as their masses of ignorant supporters makes me hate the entire game.. making me angrier and sadder.

Regardless if any of you care or not or if you want to call me a moaning hypocrite or whatever go ahead.. I feel better just getting all this off my chest to someone.

2011-09-05 01:21:00

Author:
Dortr

Posts: 548

Wow, from your side Dortr I feel very sorry for you. Did you try being the bigger person?

2011-09-05 01:36:00

Author:
Spazz

Posts: 484

@FluffySpazz: She is the bigger person by default. But also:

I told him regardless of how terrible he is in private I would still support his levels by hearting him, his levels and keeping my reviews and rates positive....

I bust my butt trying to be a better person...

2011-09-05 02:09:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well one option is to make a new acount, tell everyone on LBPC about it. Our troll population is pretty controlled

2011-09-05 02:17:00

Author:
lark98-2

Posts: 116

Dortr put it perfectly.

Well one option is to make a new acount, tell everyone on LBPC about it. Our troll population is pretty controlled

There's no way I'll get my 500-something hearts back on a new account.

2011-09-05 02:21:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

This is just horrible. Ominous. Is must take a pretty low self esteem for him to pull off this kind of crap. And thinking about how a few weeks ago someone made a sad thread about Hazbell leaving due to being overly harassed. Yeah right, small wonder why.

2011-09-05 02:44:00

Author:
SnipySev

Posts: 2452

@FluffySpazz: She is the bigger person by default. But also:

Didn't see that. Thanks

2011-09-05 03:01:00

Author:
Spazz

Posts: 484

Well you have a point FluffySpazz... I did say that i would stop commenting him on his page and i did not.. i saw your comment.. As much as I try to keep things on PMs and pods.. I feel like I should defend his ridiculous claims and point out what he is doing at that current moment that makes him the bad role model he is arguing with me about, like booing my levels and leaving that ridiculous review. This ridiculous review => Hazbell Rated this level

17
"You know what, why should I bother leaving a nice review if you're just going to treat me like crap. What comes around, goes around."

For anyone who has played the level is that in any way, shape or form relevant to the level? On a side note I find it funny that several people are disappointing that scores are still down which would make my score challenge actually have a point and be more fun, he and the overlord are the reason scores are down

I strayed from my point that i commented after I said i wouldn't... i can't help it. I try to keep my comments on his profile clean and fairly generous considering what he does.

He also tried to apologize through a PM and I replied with "Oh No!, I'l only accept that if you post it on your page, so everyone who is praising and agreeing with you bashing me can see it." Then he commented somewhere "I tried to apologize and you kept fighting blah..blah.. He has the highest volume of comments.. 11,000+ which I actually do feel sorry for him for, but it makes it very hard to even make sense on his page XD Especially if your trying to defend yourself against a bunch of kids begging to join him.

Also did anyone mention that he is the one that started moving levels.. figures. He invited me one time and proudly showed me all the Mm picks were moved by him... I mentioned before that I thought it was funny that no one knew who it was because I thought it was sorta obvious..

2011-09-05 04:59:00

Author:
Dortr

Posts: 548

As the saying goes, it takes two to tango.

2011-09-05 05:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

Guys, really...some basic things.

Avoid accepting friends' request if you haven't already hanged up with someone through a common friends, and understand you're fine with that person.
It's not 100% effectively working because some people can really be false, but it's a good start.
On the other side there's lots of people around that tries to help sincerely, it's easy to find them, you all know the names.

Don't aim for fame, don't request friendship because people is famous.
Don't believe someone is better than you, they may be more experienced, more talented on LBP, but that doesn't mean they're better persons.
Unfortunately lots of times, when some people help you, it's not for kindness, it's for their ego, because in that moment they feel better than you.
Role models...in LBP...very very few, and you can't imagine who they are until you know them well.
Lots of great people run away from the spotlights and don't chase them desperately.

Seriously, don't feed the trolls.
Some people like mentioned here, live feeding on hurting other people, they do it for their ego.
Some do it because they desperately want to appear cool, move on, it's a game, it's about having fun, not stepping on other people.
The guy that is mentioned here, has so much fun reading all this stuff, because, he's doing it, I can grant you, he's still around checking forums and having big laughs when he's mentioned.

Most of all, remember to have fun, this is an evasion from real world problems.
Create and build your fantasies and have some good times with people.

2011-09-05 06:15:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer

Posts: 5112

Teehee - Dortr said "Chest"

That is all!

2011-09-05 06:31:00

Author:
Macnme

Posts: 1970

Teehee - Dortr said "Chest"

That is all!

O__O Nothing to "see" here, move on...you perv

2011-09-05 06:55:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer

Posts: 5112

At this point, i may start tweeting this thread to the folks at media molecule, and getting the word out. I'm sure there are at least a few people there that would like to know what is happening, and if enough see it, they have to listen. i may hashtag it with #mmpickbadguys, or something else easily identifiable

Guys like this really tick me off.

2011-09-05 07:01:00

Author:
tdarb

Posts: 689

At this point, i would be in favor of mass tweeting this thread to the folks at media molecule, and getting the word out. I'm sure there are at least a few people there that would like to know what is happening, and if enough of us tell them, they have to listen. hashtag it with #mmpickbadguys, or something else easily identifiable

Guys like this really tick me off.

Go for it, I suppose. I don't have a twitter so I can't help.

2011-09-05 07:12:00

Author:
littlebigmeteor

Posts: 396

MM won't ban him.
You can start whatever you like, they won't.
He's loved by some part of the community, and MM somehow owes him one for explaining them the Overlord glitch.
Lack of attention is the only way to have him go away by his own decision.
But seeing how often these kind of posts pop up...cease and dexist, it won't happen.

You can't complain that he's popular, people talking about him makes him popular, the community did, not MM.
Start to burn the ground around him, stop to make him feel popular.

I was told from him in a chat, that he would have left LBP, then he saw posts here in Central and decided that it was so fun to stay and make people angry.
Discussions are pubblic, they can be seen even if you're banned, remember this

2011-09-05 07:23:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer

Posts: 5112

Well, perhaps i was a bit hasty in the tweet thing. I do think they would like to know.

PS-i would love for him to start a negative campaign against me. I could use the publicity.

littlebigmeteor, whether he brings good attention or bad, he gave you the floor. use it to your advantage.

2011-09-05 07:45:00

Author:
tdarb

Posts: 689

You guys should only stop caring, that's all.

2011-09-05 08:24:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer

Posts: 5112

I don't think much more can be said about this that hasn't been said.

It's true that any attention, good or bad, just seems to encourage people to continue to behave badly.

Until they grow weary of being ignored or Sony takes a hard line on their antisocial behavior all we can do is report them via the good grief option in game for violating EULA. If they violate the rules and people report it, a pattern should become clear to those who have the authority to do something about it.

So, while seeking support from other forum members when dealing with these situations is a good thing, let's do it in private so these types of people don't get the attention they seem to thrive on.

Locking this thread. It no longer will feed the troll.

2011-09-05 09:24:00

Author:
Morgana25

Posts: 5983

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