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I thought Jesus Camp was horrible...
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| It is NOTHING compared to this. Contains disturbing material. May make you fear for the future. EUJSME0TORw u7C8Znyf510 wE8epBkSPfo NYG-h1avVrc 0nH8ZJbJ9lY BXUKF8dHf4A "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18) | 2008-12-15 23:26:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| Ok, I saw the first minute and a half of the first one. Couldn't go any farther. That... would be impossible for me to do. I cannot continue watching that after seeing what a minute and a half is doing to me... Of course, I know me wanting to throw up is nothing compared to what they're doing... or what's being done to them. 'Tis a shame, really... At it's core, at the core teachings of the bible, it actually is a very good, tolerant, and lovable religion. However, it's become perveted over the years by those in power to make it justify their reigns, and stupid people followed. now, the good values that are in Christianity- and whether you believe in it or not, it's still a very good religion at it's core- are just used to justify things like this... But mankind cannot make use of a good thing and actually use it without just messing it up... or something, that wasn't really a very insightful way to write that. | 2008-12-16 00:06:00 Author: RockSauron  Posts: 10882 |
You have waaaaay too much time on your hands.  | 2008-12-16 00:06:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino  Posts: 5250 |
| Radical Bigots : 1 Tolerance: 0 well bigots will be bigots, and radicals will be radicals, can't really do anything about them but pray some divine intervention would open their dang eyes to being tolerant and having respect for life your not being one right now are you Marino, looks like your attacking theism again... | 2008-12-16 00:08:00 Author: Reshin  Posts: 1081 |
| No, I'm not. One of my subscriptions on YouTube made a video about this, and I felt like it was my responsibility as a citizen of the world to watch it and inform others. I realize this is a very extreme example, but this sort of indoctrination and ignorance is going on TODAY. The Salem Witch Trials aren't over, they are just located in Africa now.  One of my favorite YouTubers, variablast: 1c_95hCN--I (Contains three swears.) | 2008-12-16 00:11:00 Author: Unknown User |
| That's absolutely horrible. We need to send some people down there to slap these people around a bit and teach them how to treat other human beings. Isn't the 5th commandment "You shall not murder"? | 2008-12-16 00:26:00 Author: qrtda235566  Posts: 3664 |
| This is not about religion. Religion is just a tool like anything else. It can be used to benefit mankind, and it can be used to destroy mankind. It's effect is based solely on the intention of the preacher. This is not about religion. It is about the horrid things that it can be used for. If you are a Christian who uses your beliefs to help others, then I have ABSOLUTELY no problem. However, this just crosses the line. This type of injustice must be stopped. This is not about religion. This is about humanity. | 2008-12-16 00:29:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Well people will be ignorant, Japan is still censoring the Nanking massacres to its people, Antisemites still persecute, the KKK still freaking exsist... You can preach all over the world about different types of ignorance people show and have, but that doesn't really do anything. Best you could do is to shut them up, disprove their bias views, before they can spread the stupidity and get a cult following and start doing crazy things to get more popular with its people...(ex. Scientology) P.S. Don't like how that guy is blaming Christianity for radical misinterpritation of things... the world needs to be against ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity. His video can be taken out of context by these people and start religious persecution, his not really fixing the problem by blaming it all on the christians who sent missionaries to help those people...His pretty much doing the same thing but on a different side This is not about religion. Religion is just a tool like anything else. It can be used to benefit mankind, and it can be used to destroy mankind. It's effect is based solely on the intention of the preacher. This is not about religion. It is about the horrid things that it can be used for. If you are a Christian who uses your beliefs to help others, then I have ABSOLUTELY no problem. However, this just crosses the line. This type of injustice must be stopped. This is not about religion. This is about humanity.' Lol I think you made that clear on the first statement | 2008-12-16 00:39:00 Author: Reshin Posts: 1081 |
| I agree. Like I said, religion is just a tool. Nothing more. There are many more types of propaganda techniques out there, religion is not alone. It just happens to be more effective than others. Other tools are political ideology, worship of the state, ect. However, I disagree on variablast's video. He is doing the best he can on trying to inform others. If he had not made that video, I may have never found about this 'Witchcraft' Persecution in Nigeria. That was all he was trying to do, spread the word. He succeeded. I received his message very loud and clear. Yes, you do not hold his position, but that does not mean his attempt is invalid. Yes, we need to fight indoctrination, ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity. We should teach understanding, cooperation, and acceptance. Variablast is just trying to help in that fight, and he is doing a commendable job.  Lol I think you made that clear on the first statement Haha, in my Journalism class we learned how to use repetition in editorials to make a message clear. "I have a Dream... I Have a Dream..." - Martin Luther King Jr. | 2008-12-16 00:46:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Blaming it on Christianity as a whole isn't exactly spreading the word of the event. As I said, he is doing it in a way that will spark the same thing again. His pretty much using that said event to attack Christianity as a whole.. I remember something along the lines of "don't say they aren't christian, they are, call yourself something different", They aren't anywhere near Christian, I bet most religious groups won't even say their christian, and he blames christians still... Its not Christianity's fault some people use the good book to gain power. At a side note; Whatever happend to that ignorant guy who mocked Christians simply because his atheist? | 2008-12-16 01:07:00 Author: Reshin Posts: 1081 |
| Sooo basically, this guy is blaming Christianity because people in Nigeria are hammering nails into heads... Interesting... | 2008-12-16 01:22:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250 |
| I agree, he could of handled the matter a little more conservatively, but YouTube is about speaking your mind. He doesn't censor what he truly feels, and I respect that. I agree, it isn't about Christianity. Those 'exorcists' are truly ignorant, and they just use their Christianity to justify their actions. You can kill in the name of pretty much anything. It isn't the name that is important. It is the intention. I disagree with the 'good book' idea, but I am not here to argue that. I know now that people have their beliefs, and those are not the important things. The important thing is how people use their beliefs. I am striving to understand people. I no longer want to ostracize others. We are all the same, we just have different motives and beliefs, but I truly believe we can put that aside. I will continue to be an extreme liberal and atheist. Those are my beliefs, or lack of thereof. However, I am want to stop labeling myself for my differences, and instead focus on what we all have in common. Humanity. Well, most of us anyways. I do realize there are disorders which completely take away humanity from people, but that is besides the point. | 2008-12-16 01:23:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Don't they have forums elsewhere that discuss these things? Just sayin'. | 2008-12-16 01:30:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Don't they have forums elsewhere that discuss these things? Just sayin'. LittleBigPlanet Cenrtal Forums > General Stuff > General Chat > I thought Jesus Camp was horrible... Umm, I think it's in the right spot. | 2008-12-16 01:31:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250 |
| Yes; they do. I just feel attached this place, you know? | 2008-12-16 01:34:00 Author: Unknown User |
| i dont want to watch the videos after what people above have said. but can somone describe this in words on what goes on in the first video. Use spoiler tags since it could be bad to others for any reason | 2008-12-16 01:36:00 Author: Snrm  Posts: 6419 |
| i dont want to watch the videos after what people above have said. but can somone describe this in words on what goes on in the first video. Use spoiler tags since it could be bad to others for any reason Essientally, it was African tribal peoples slaughtering and torturing their little children because they thought they were "witches". | 2008-12-16 01:38:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| Essientally, it was African tribal peoples slaughtering and torturing their little children because they thought they were "witches". oh... yes now i can never watch that video..it must be horrible and its crazy. we really take for granite for what we have dont we. people out there have to work all day without entertainment never stopping to rest. and somtimes we just slouch around complaining that we have nothing to do | 2008-12-16 02:12:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| oh... yes now i can never watch that video..it must be horrible and its crazy. we really take for granite for what we have dont we. people out there have to work all day without entertainment never stopping to rest. and somtimes we just slouch around complaining that we have nothing to do It's a bit more serious than that, but you've got the idea.  | 2008-12-16 02:13:00 Author: Unknown User |
| This conveys what you are trying to say very well srnm, and I definitely agree. AXHlMBjq240 (Contains 1 swear) Basically, we take this Earth for granted, when in reality, we are just organisms like every other living thing is. Others have it so much harder than us, and we still complain. We, as a species, on the whole, have lost our will to survive and do what is best for the Earth. Instead, we exercise what we think is right based on our religious and ideological biased viewpoints. We are evolutionary betrayers. Renegades. | 2008-12-16 02:14:00 Author: Unknown User |
| marino you better put a warning on that it contains language and sorry but that isnt what i was pointing out but that video did have a good point. What i was saying was off topic a bit i was really just trying to say that many countries all kids do is work like slaves while we sit with nothing to do bored somtimes and complaining | 2008-12-16 02:19:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| marino you better put a warning on that it contains language and sorry but that isnt what i was pointing out but that video did have a good point. What i was saying was off topic a bit i was really just trying to say that many countries all kids do is work like slaves while we sit with nothing to do bored somtimes and complaining Yes. When the media distracts us with entertainment, we often get distracted on what is truly important. l5M9XvjKL64 http://radio.weblogs.com/0123486/myImages/newpix/jul23.04/9.19.04/sheep_tv.jpg That is why I don't watch television. It fills your mind with biased, mindless garbage. :/ Documentaries like this one are so much better, as long as they are conducted by a scientific and educational source. There are also biased documentaries, such as Expelled.  | 2008-12-16 02:28:00 Author: Unknown User |
| hmm nice what that video was pointing out too. it was more edged to what i was talking about. And the sheep looks funny. But you uh do use the Television for Littlebigplanet purposes dont you? | 2008-12-16 02:32:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| Yeah. Television and games are different, however. With television, you simply watch. You have no say. You are the viewer. You simply gaze into the screen and blot your mind with the ink of bias. With games, it is interactive and often productive, such as with LittleBigPlanet. I see LBP as an art form, not a game. Level creation is an art. Art is not entertainment. Entertainment is in the boredom killing business. http://www.rjgeib.com/blog/media/boredom-killing-business.jpg Documentaries are not entertainment either. They are education. They open your eyes to issues that you would otherwise be ignorant of. | 2008-12-16 02:35:00 Author: Unknown User |
| yes i have found littlebigplanet opening my creation thoughts but i do semi agree with LBP being art. i say this because 1/3 of the levels i would say are art. An example of what i consider art is the Azure Palace | 2008-12-16 02:39:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| Yeah. Television and games are different, however. With television, you simply watch. You have no say. You are the viewer. You simply gaze into the screen and blot your mind with the ink of bias. With games, it is interactive and often productive, such as with LittleBigPlanet. I see LBP as an art form, not a game. Level creation is an art. Art is not entertainment. Entertainment is in the boredom killing business. Documentaries are not entertainment either. They are education. They open your eyes to issues that you would otherwise be ignorant of. entertainment Noun 1. enjoyment and interest 2. an act or show that entertains, or such acts and shows collectively You don't enjoy/have interest for LittleBigPlanet or Documentaries? 'Cause that's what the definition of entertainment is. | 2008-12-16 02:42:00 Author: UmJammerSully  Posts: 1097 |
| Art is art. Let me make an analogy. The Ramp Level is this drawing: http://www.kerismith.com/WishJarTales/scribble_2.jpg The Azure Palace is this painting: http://a0.vox.com/6a00cd9705cc8e4cd500fa96775c000003-500pi Art: the products of human creativity. Yes, although very little creativity went into the ramp level, some did, so it is art. | 2008-12-16 02:43:00 Author: Unknown User |
| yes i have found littlebigplanet opening my creation thoughts but i do semi agree with LBP being art. i say this because 1/3 of the levels i would say are art. An example of what i consider art is the Azure Palace exactly what i point out here and that was a nice piece of art! But i suggest we should move this thred back to its original topic stated in the opening post | 2008-12-16 02:48:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| entertainment Noun 1. enjoyment and interest 2. an act or show that entertains, or such acts and shows collectively You don't enjoy/have interest for LittleBigPlanet or Documentaries? 'Cause that's what the definition of entertainment is. I was using this definition: Entertainment is an activity designed to give pleasure or relaxation to an audience (although in the case of a computer game the "audience" may be only one person). Yeah, I agree, LBP was designed to give pleasure. I would say LBP is entertainment AND art. It is unique in that way. A documentary, however, is "a type of programme that gives you information, like a documentary about dolphins or the animals of Australia." It's main objective is to inform, not entertain. But yeah, my main point is that often, people are so occupied in being entertained to take them away from reality that when other people try to tell them what is really important, and that the entertainment is just an illusion, they do not listen, and often ostracize that person. Q95kX_EP2Nk This is just a ride. | 2008-12-16 02:49:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I really don't care about all this, but what really bothers me is that people work their ***** off, maybe if lucky, 100k a year, while there is some people out there that just make stupid songs, for example : Soulja Boy anyone? And he's already a millionaire for a stupid song... That just really ticks me off, I don't care if it's entertainment, people that work their ***** off to basically try to balance this economy in reality, are making less money then people like Soulja Boy, I'm not saying music isn't great, but someone like Soulja Boy makes some really stupid songs... | 2008-12-16 02:51:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250 |
| The system isn't fair, and it isn't designed to be that way. The best you can do is try your hardest to change things. Hey, you might not make a difference. Your attempt may be futile. As long as you try to change things for the better, your life is worth it in the end. "You see things aren't sequential. Good doesn't lead to good nor bad to bad. People steal, don't get caught. Live the good life. Others lie, cheat and get elected. Some people stop to help a stranded motorist and get taken out by a speeding semi. There's no accounting for it. How you play the cards you're dealt, that's all that matters." - Jonathan Kramer | 2008-12-16 02:54:00 Author: Unknown User |
| wow thats horrible, I mean those people could have atleast done something else right? jeez >_> | 2008-12-16 03:04:00 Author: BloodFlameX  Posts: 349 |
| The propaganda of their gospel tells them to kill witches, so they obey. -hUxGuzBblo | 2008-12-16 03:06:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Marino: While I understand that you are interested in sharing this documentary, I am worried this may turn into another "religion is bad; here's why" thread. Please keep conversation on the topic of the documentary; don't stray into religion any further than you need to. | 2008-12-16 03:35:00 Author: ConfusedCartman  Posts: 3729 |
| The system isn't fair, and it isn't designed to be that way. I'm pretty sure they say that somewhere in MGS4 Good for you Marino. Stick it to the man. | 2008-12-16 04:42:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| To steer more towards the videos... I just watched the first one and am overwhelmed. Just how many places it just so much incredibly worse... just so much worse stuff could be wrong than me failing a test... for example my parents might call me a witch and torture and starve me and light me on fire for no reason. I can think of nothing that could happen to me in my life that is worse than what happened to those kids. | 2008-12-16 05:46:00 Author: PhatCakes Posts: 22 |
| ..Flame Sheild going up... | 2008-12-16 16:21:00 Author: GuyWithNoEyes  Posts: 1100 |
| Why why why do idiot extremists make the rest of us Christians look like such complete and total maniacs? It saddens me that sometimes this is the only image of Christians that people get... we're supposed to be NICE to people and stuff... it says that in the New Testament, but you get these, these evil people doing stuff like this to their children, it makes me wish that they didn't call themselves Christians. I'm tarred with the same brush, people think I'm some sort of maniac because of things like this... I mean, Jesus didn't hang out with the good and holy people; he was sent to death by them eventually. He walked around with the prostitutes and thieves and stuff, just asking them to be nice and friendly to everyone else. And now people do things like this! It's awful. And people start to think that all Christians are like that, calling people witches and trying to kill them and everything. I have nothing against anybody; why should I have? The whole message is to love everyone, regardless of gender, race or belief. Jesus himself said the things in the Old Testament were wrong and should be passed away; this is one of the major reasons why they had him crucified. | 2008-12-16 16:46:00 Author: DrMelon  Posts: 51 |
| Major props to this "Bishop" guy. Gets paid a heap of cash to kill people, and get kids wasted. All from the comfort of his own chair. He also gets everyone to call him "Bishop", which is a cool nickname in itself. Way to cash in on everyone's stupidity. | 2008-12-16 20:26:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Why why why do idiot extremists make the rest of us Christians look like such complete and total maniacs? It saddens me that sometimes this is the only image of Christians that people get... we're supposed to be NICE to people and stuff... it says that in the New Testament, but you get these, these evil people doing stuff like this to their children, it makes me wish that they didn't call themselves Christians. I'm tarred with the same brush, people think I'm some sort of maniac because of things like this... I mean, Jesus didn't hang out with the good and holy people; he was sent to death by them eventually. He walked around with the prostitutes and thieves and stuff, just asking them to be nice and friendly to everyone else. And now people do things like this! It's awful. And people start to think that all Christians are like that, calling people witches and trying to kill them and everything. I have nothing against anybody; why should I have? The whole message is to love everyone, regardless of gender, race or belief. Jesus himself said the things in the Old Testament were wrong and should be passed away; this is one of the major reasons why they had him crucified. I completely agree. There are bad eggs in every group. That is why I am trying to look at the individual, not the group they belong to. You are the type of Christian I like. Although I do not believe in Jesus, I agree with that acceptance message. I understand that not everyone can be as accepting as the Jesus 'meek and mild' figure-type. We are animals after all. Knowing our true nature, I am not surprised at all that humans would do this sort of thing. Obviously though, although we are animals, it does not mean we have to tear each other apart. Major props to this "Bishop" guy. Gets paid a heap of cash to kill people, and get kids wasted. All from the comfort of his own chair. He also gets everyone to call him "Bishop", which is a cool nickname in itself. Way to cash in on everyone's stupidity. I don't care if you are being sarcastic or not: humorizing the slaughter of innocent children, in any situation, is not OK. | 2008-12-16 23:30:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I don't care if you are being sarcastic or not: humorizing the slaughter of innocent children, in any situation, is not OK. No, what's "not OK" is you posting all of this stuff purely so you can sit there and show off how bad religion is. I get it. You don't believe in God, or Jesus, or what the hell ever. But don't try and slag off anyone for having some faith in their lives. | 2008-12-16 23:56:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Valo. Please read my posts in this thread. Here, I will quote them for you: This is not about religion. Religion is just a tool like anything else. It can be used to benefit mankind, and it can be used to destroy mankind. It's effect is based solely on the intention of the preacher. This is not about religion. It is about the horrid things that it can be used for. If you are a Christian who uses your beliefs to help others, then I have ABSOLUTELY no problem. However, this just crosses the line. This type of injustice must be stopped. This is not about religion. This is about humanity. I agree. Like I said, religion is just a tool. Nothing more. There are many more types of propaganda techniques out there, religion is not alone. It just happens to be more effective than others. Other tools are political ideology, worship of the state, ect. I NOT ONCE bashed religion in this thread. It is just a tool. | 2008-12-16 23:59:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Oh yeah, I'm sorry. This post is not about you being an arrogant git. You're an arrogant git. There you go, this post has nothing to do with you being an arrogant git. | 2008-12-17 00:02:00 Author: Unknown User |
| *leaves before the ban hammer army arrives* | 2008-12-17 00:04:00 Author: UmJammerSully Posts: 1097 |
| Can a mod please lock this thread so it does not get out of hand? Valo, I'm sorry, but I don't see you going far with your negative attitude. | 2008-12-17 00:06:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I don't see you getting far without having a glass stomach fitted. Must be difficult for you to get around without being able to see where you're going. I don't need a dillusional little jumped up 15 year old trying to preach me about whatever. | 2008-12-17 00:09:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I don't see you getting far without having a glass stomach fitted. Must be difficult for you to get around without being able to see where you're going. I don't need a dillusional little jumped up 15 year old trying to preach me about whatever. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/hedonisticpleasureseeker/Please_Do_Not_Feed_The_Troll.jpg Lock. Please. | 2008-12-17 00:13:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Closed at original posters request. | 2008-12-17 00:20:00 Author: QuozL  Posts: 921 |
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