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http://ie.ps3.ign.com/articles/118/1180810p1.html
What do you guys think of this? Personally, it doesn't affect me, but some of the comments on IGN are just making me wonder if this actually annoys people 		2011-07-06 23:23:00

Author:
jeperty
Posts: 486

Why yes, it does. When you're under 18 and you can't control your familly's income, therefore your allowance, especially if you're poor (being fairly euphemistic here with that term, in the western world I stress)... I'll certainly be affected. :/ I buy most of my games pre-owned. On one side I feel for the devs, but something makes me think this will go in $ony's pocket, not any of the developers which go along with this scheme. :/ If I really want to support the devs, I'll buy a special edition, like I did with Infamous 2 (Although, that was mainly because I got Infy 1 for free and I adored it, feeling Sucker Punch deserved the extra fiver).2011-07-06 23:35:00

Author:
abyssalassassin
Posts: 717

Okay Sony, I'll make sure I buy all my games used. If you want my 10 dollars, I'll make sure that's all you get.

Vote with your wallets, folks. I cannot stress this enough, make them pay for it when companies do this. We as consumers should be bankrupting companies that pull these stunts, yet they continue to thrive. The lazyness of the consumer neanderthals disgusts me - you people, along with the anti-pirates, are why we have these events. By all means, give them more rope to hang us with...

I long for a true free market, where companies can't do things like this for fear their competitors will have better service.		2011-07-06 23:42:00

Author:
Voltergeist
Posts: 1702

I don't buy used games but this annoys me because I have 2 ps3's & I can't play the game I buy on both without paying more?? I buy new games & 2 systems & still get screwed lol.2011-07-06 23:56:00

Author:
IAmChavez
Posts: 142

Not to mention all the people who don't have access to a PS Store to allow them to enter their code... :/2011-07-06 23:58:00

Author:
abyssalassassin
Posts: 717

I don't buy used games but this annoys me because I have 2 ps3's & I can't play the game I buy on both without paying more?? I buy new games & 2 systems & still get screwed lol.

It's an account pass not a system pass you can use it on both systems with the same account.		2011-07-06 23:59:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

I think it's fine and a pretty decent solution.2011-07-07 00:01:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

Why couldn't it be for a game that i know ...2011-07-07 00:39:00

Author:
Exemption
Posts: 91

Well, if they are going to charge for online usage, then they'd better be offering something more than just relying on the end users to host the games.
Otherwise this basically amounts to them being the Internet Mafia - ie; "Pay us 'protection' money or we'll smash your internet!"

If you pay more - you should get more		2011-07-07 00:49:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Great, me and my brother have separate PSN accounts, that means that only one will be able to play online. Not interested in the game anyway, but hopefully that won't spread to other games as well. :/2011-07-07 12:46:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Well, if they are going to charge for online usage, then they'd better be offering something more ... If you pay more - you should get more

And if you pay less, you get less? And if you pay nothing, you get nothing? i.e. all online services should be paid for? Right?



Okay Sony, I'll make sure I buy all my games used. If you want my 10 dollars, I'll make sure that's all you get.

Vote with your wallets, folks. I cannot stress this enough.

Problem with this whether or not your actions are actually viewed by the publisher as a loss in a single sale to the game that can be attributed to the existence of a PSN pass system (which is what you want them to think) OR if the increased number of sales of PSN passes actually goes to encourage Sony that the scheme is a good idea.... It's a tricky one to gauge, actually, but you might wanna be a little more careful in staging your protest that your message is not so ambiguous.		2011-07-07 13:16:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

You know, a good solution to this would be that Sony includes online passes in PS Plus.

1. Sony's most loyal consumers remain unaffected, since many have PS Plus.
2. Since all the games with PSN Passes are first-party games, Sony can repay the developers with funds from PS Plus subscribers.
3. They give those unsubscribed another reason to buy PS Plus.
4. People without PS Plus still buy the passes.

I think that'd be a fair implementation of a pass system.		2011-07-07 13:47:00

Author:
Voltergeist
Posts: 1702

You know, a good solution to this would be that Sony includes online passes in PS Plus.

1. Sony's most loyal consumers remain unaffected, since many have PS Plus.
2. Since all the games with PSN Passes are first-party games, Sony can repay the developers with funds from PS Plus subscribers.
3. They give those unsubscribed another reason to buy PS Plus.
4. People without PS Plus still buy the passes.

I think that'd be a fair implementation of a pass system.
Well, that wouldn't solve the multiple accounts problem. What if you got a family with 3 children, each one with their own account? Would it be fair that they must buy 2 additional codes or two Plus subscriptions so everyone can play online? That's why I always hated online passes.		2011-07-07 13:53:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

And thus the gaming industry goes further in the wrong direction.

Seems like that happens a lot these days, but I don't mind. My reasoning? If the big wigs end up making mainstream gaming too bothersome and restrictive, there are plenty of indie game devs making great games on the sidelines. Worst case scenario, reading books is plenty entertaining and DRM free. 		2011-07-07 14:09:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Worst case scenario, reading books is plenty entertaining and DRM free.
2050 - Book pass. Books come with a serial that you must use to open it. If you buy it used, you must buy a new serial on the online shop for half the original price to open it. 		2011-07-07 14:18:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Why yes, it does. When you're under 18 and you can't control your familly's income, therefore your allowance, especially if you're poor (being fairly euphemistic here with that term, in the western world I stress)... I'll certainly be affected. :/ I buy most of my games pre-owned. On one side I feel for the devs, but something makes me think this will go in $ony's pocket, not any of the developers which go along with this scheme. :/ If I really want to support the devs, I'll buy a special edition, like I did with Infamous 2 (Although, that was mainly because I got Infy 1 for free and I adored it, feeling Sucker Punch deserved the extra fiver).

Same here I hate that they're doing this.. 		2011-07-07 14:33:00

Author:
Unknown User

Because of all the illegal copying of ps3 games and hacking of consoles this is happening like with PC games and software. I don't like the thought of a PSN Pass but seeing as they don't force us to pay to use the PSN like the xbox does it actually seems reasonable from a buisness perspective.
They don't make as much money as the xbox does because they've been giving us free online usage and accounts and i honestly wasn't expecting it to last as long as it has.

I don't know how many of you have an xbox but my brother does. He has only one account which he pays something like 80 dollars for 12 months and can't afford a second were as i have three accounts on my PS3 which cost nothing. Just to change his account name it costs him something stupid like 8 dollars. If he doesn't pay for the 12 months he can't even play online where as i can play anygame i want on the PS3 for nothing.

So when you look at it that way you can see why their doing this. It's just a compettive buisness thing. Well also a money making thing but isn't that what competitive buisness is about?

Still i really don't like the thought of it.		2011-07-07 15:12:00

Author:
Lordwarblade
Posts: 761

You know, a good solution to this would be that Sony includes online passes in PS Plus.

1. Sony's most loyal consumers remain unaffected, since many have PS Plus.
2. Since all the games with PSN Passes are first-party games, Sony can repay the developers with funds from PS Plus subscribers.
3. They give those unsubscribed another reason to buy PS Plus.
4. People without PS Plus still buy the passes.

I think that'd be a fair implementation of a pass system.

Very good points. I'm a loyal PS3 user but I don't subscribe to PS Plus and the free 30 day Welcome Back promotion only helped me confirm that I would not personally gain back $25/year in value. If PS Plus members were to get free PS Passes on used games that would definitely pique my interest (assuming there are titles I need it for).		2011-07-07 16:19:00

Author:
RoharDragontamer
Posts: 397

Aren't most online games on PS3 peer-to-peer? Exactly what online services are they charging this fee for?2011-07-08 11:24:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

I hate this idea, it's like buying a house and still paying rent on it.2011-07-08 11:53:00

Author:
Flamento
Posts: 352

If the money for a PSN pass is going to the devs and towards the expenses of PSNs existance, I have no quams with this. None.
Go mow some lawns if you're skint only only shop from the bargain bin.

Now, if it was a monthly fee deal, I'd be against it. But a one-time charge for people buying a used game is fine by me. So long as the price wasn't extortionate, of course.		2011-07-08 23:34:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

If the money for a PSN pass is going to the devs and towards the expenses of PSNs existance, I have no quams with this. None.
Go mow some lawns if you're skint only only shop from the bargain bin.

Now, if it was a monthly fee deal, I'd be against it. But a one-time charge for people buying a used game is fine by me. So long as the price wasn't extortionate, of course.
Now, in countries where we already pay an extortionate price for games, used or not, and where we have to find holes in the network to buy our stuff on the PS Store, that suddenly doesn't sound "fine" anymore.		2011-07-08 23:41:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Now, in countries where we already pay an extortionate price for games, used or not, and where we have to find holes in the network to buy our stuff on the PS Store, that suddenly doesn't sound "fine" anymore.

Well, I only really considered my own region but I 'spose my approach would alter based on the market in question.
However, surely the bigger problem in your scenario is the overpricing of the games themselves, not the PSN Pass system, no? The PSN Passes are fine, it's your unfair market that's the real issue.		2011-07-08 23:47:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

I hate this idea, it's like buying a house and still paying rent on it.

You mean a mortgage?		2011-07-08 23:54:00

Author:
AA_BATTERY
Posts: 1117

So Sony is playing CAPCOM basically? Trying to get game companies and themselves more money?

Smart move their Sony 		2011-07-09 00:17:00

Author:
Spazz
Posts: 484

I hate this idea, it's like buying a house and still paying rent on it.
Actually it's closer to buying house and paying the electric bill. Due to the unpopularity of this, I doubt it will last long. Remember, vote with your dollar.		2011-07-09 00:36:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

Makes me wonder if the passes are actually successful despite all the rage they generate. 3rd parties have been doing this for 1-2 years now and as the owners of the store Sony will be able to see how many get sold per title and calculate if it's worth implementing. (Their trial run of this on Modnation PSP would have also factored in)2011-07-09 00:38:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Due to the unpopularity of this, I doubt it will last long. Remember, vote with your dollar.

They don't see a dime from a used game sale today...Sony doesn't care if you don't buy that used game, they only get money from the initial sale currently. Some people will be willing to buy a pass, so even if used game sales are cut by 75% it's still great for Sony, it's just bad for the used game sellers. Now if your going to stop buying new games and get thousands of friends to do the same, then they might care/notice. 		2011-07-09 02:34:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

They don't see a dime from a used game sale today...Sony doesn't care if you don't buy that used game, they only get money from the initial sale currently. Some people will be willing to buy a pass, so even if used game sales are cut by 75% it's still great for Sony, it's just bad for the used game sellers. Now if your going to stop buying new games and get thousands of friends to do the same, then they might care/notice.

I personally don't care right now, not enough information. It all depends on where the money is going. If at least some is going to the developer them I am all for it. Either way I don't buy used games because as of now they don't support the developers. I don't sell or trade my games either, it may seem selfish but who is the one who payed full price and who is the one buying it cheap, with no money going to the folks who made it?		2011-07-09 02:55:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

It truly depends on the price of these passes if I'll give a ****. But something that REALLY ****** me off is games you get with PS Minus (I mean Plus ) are unplayable after your PS Plus subscription ends, so you couldn't just stock up on all the free/sale games. Same with DLC. I guess Sony? just doesn't want that.2011-07-09 04:07:00

Author:
Unknown User

I like to buy my games new, if I can afford it. Mostly because I like the fact that nobody else touched my stuff... Like one time I bought a gamecube controller from the store used, and it had boogers and gross stuff all over it.2011-07-09 04:21:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

Fact is, when Sony introduces stuff like this, the third world gamers are the ones that get sprayed most when it hits the fan. Fact is, we couldn't buy anything online from Sony, including Plus, without introducing false information and smuggling PSN cards. So excuse me if I'm not too open for measures like those. :/2011-07-09 19:11:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Fact is, when Sony introduces stuff like this, the third world gamers are the ones that get sprayed most when it hits the fan. Fact is, we couldn't buy anything online from Sony, including Plus, without introducing false information and smuggling PSN cards. So excuse me if I'm not too open for measures like those. :/
That,s the only problem I saw with the pass really. Places without store are completely screwed, unless they use a different account		2011-07-10 12:32:00

Author:
jeperty
Posts: 486

There's nothing wrong with this.

it just means the Devs get the money rather than the retailer.		2011-07-12 10:42:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

Part of the selling point of Playstations - when compared to Xbox's - is the fact that connecting online is FREE and there is no subscription charges to play online.
If they are going to start charging fees PER GAME to connect online, then all of a sudden, the ?40 a year Xbox live subscription starts sounding like a MUCH cheaper option... so GOODBYE SONY 		2011-07-12 12:04:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Connecting online on PS3 is still free but the free has been reduced to one account per game goes online for free.

Xbox has a sub per account and the online pass system (although not on first party stuff yet)		2011-07-12 14:10:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Okay Sony, I'll make sure I buy all my games used. If you want my 10 dollars, I'll make sure that's all you get.

Vote with your wallets, folks. I cannot stress this enough, make them pay for it when companies do this. We as consumers should be bankrupting companies that pull these stunts, yet they continue to thrive. The lazyness of the consumer neanderthals disgusts me - you people, along with the anti-pirates, are why we have these events. By all means, give them more rope to hang us with...

I long for a true free market, where companies can't do things like this for fear their competitors will have better service.

For everyone to buy a game used, it must first be bought new 		2011-07-12 14:45:00

Author:
Unknown User

One completely understands the appeal and demand for preowned games of which one is not a customer. And one would feel contempt knowing that the money would be in the developers pocket but as mentioned earlier in this thread it will most probably be Sony who make the profit.2011-07-12 14:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

Remember the days of a hundred-and-fifty dollar console, free online (after you bought the adapter...), and thirty dollar games?

Where are we now? Two-hundred-and-fifty dollar consoles, free online access, and sixty dollar games.

Where will we be next? A price-cut console (hopefully), area-restricted, pay-to-play online access, making it cost up to seventy dollars per game.

Unless, the original games come with one free code. Doubtful, but possible. It could give an incentive for preordering.		2011-07-12 14:52:00

Author:
piggabling
Posts: 2979

Part of the selling point of Playstations - when compared to Xbox's - is the fact that connecting online is FREE and there is no subscription charges to play online.
If they are going to start charging fees PER GAME to connect online, then all of a sudden, the ?40 a year Xbox live subscription starts sounding like a MUCH cheaper option... so GOODBYE SONY

It's pre-owned games.


One completely understands the appeal and demand for preowned games of which one is not a customer. And one would feel contempt knowing that the money would be in the developers pocket but as mentioned earlier in this thread it will most probably be Sony who make the profit.

I'd rather Sony take my money then a retailer.		2011-07-12 14:53:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

It's pre-owned games.



I'd rather Sony take my money then a retailer.

I didn't say the retailer I said Developer i.e Media Molecule etc...		2011-07-12 14:58:00

Author:
Unknown User

Unless, the original games come with one free code. Doubtful, but possible. It could give an incentive for preordering.

Thats how it works.		2011-07-12 15:00:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

It's pre-owned games.

Right, so I'll have the choice of paying ?40 for a years subscription to Xbox Live - and being able to pick up cheap 2nd hand games to my hearts content (and the retailer has already paid the developer for the product - it's then the retailers job to try and sell it onto YOU for a PROFIT - so if there is a way I can pay less for the game, then I'm going to) .

Or have to buy all my Sony games brand new at full price - or have to add ?8 onto the price of any 2nd hand games. either way, coupled with the price of an xbox console (even if they are made of sugar glass and break constantly) - it'd still be ALOT cheaper to own an xbox.

If they were to actually ADD something - other than just the base online features - then you could maybe excuse the price - otherwise it's just profiteering (and considering the games industry is THE MOST PROFITABLE ENTERTAINMENT MEDIUM IN HISTORY - I would say that's just plain greed - no other word for it).		2011-07-12 15:47:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

(and considering the games industry is THE MOST PROFITABLE ENTERTAINMENT MEDIUM IN HISTORY - I would say that's just plain greed - no other word for it).

If it's greed how have two brilliant developers been closed this year, Bizarre & Black Rock, both would have lost a huge amount of money through pre-owned games as the second purchase doesn't go towards the developer, you might say they already bought the game, but they could have bought another instead over using the trade in.

That way the developers stand to lose a huge amount of revenue to the trade-ins, revenue that could be put towards new software or jobs, and jobs a precious nowadays.		2011-07-12 15:59:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

Right, so I'll have the choice of paying ?40 for a years subscription to Xbox Live - and being able to pick up cheap 2nd hand games to my hearts content

You'll still have online passes to buy on the Xbox even after youve paid that ?40 per year subscription if you're buying preowned. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=657952		2011-07-12 16:07:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

You'll still have online passes to buy on the Xbox even after youve paid that ?40 per year subscription if you're buying preowned. http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=657952

This was a necessity for microsoft to do.

They would have lost out on devs if they hadn't done it.		2011-07-12 16:10:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

Like any Business - there's risk involved.. don't like the risk? then get out of the business.

Developers aren't losing anything from trade-ins. That's a fallacy.
It's just 'more' profit for the retailer.

The retailer has already bought a Job-Lot of the game to sell in their shops from a whole-saler... who in turn would have bought it directly from the publisher. The Devs/Publishers have already been paid when the title hits the shop shelves.
The retailer then 're-sells' the game at a higher price than they paid - generating profit for themselves.

There are many games that I do not consider to be worth full price - but I still fancy playing them.
Now - if I would NEVER buy a certain title at full price - then how is the developer losing any money if I decide to buy it 2nd hand from someone who is finished with their copy of the game?

All they would be doing is preventing someone who wants to play their title from playing it... well done!
- wether it's the 2nd, 3rd or 100th person that has owned the game is irrelevant - as you cannot say that all 100 resales would have translated into brand new sales had the option not been there.

What it'll mean is that more people will only be able to afford fewer titles - meaning MORE pressure on the retailer - which will push the price of new games up.

It'll also mean that you'll get less money for your trade in - as people will be adding on the fact that they also need to buy a network pass.

So unless you want to just PAY PAY & PAY again - we'd better, as a consumer group, think of a way to counter this trend to price gouge the consumer.


What the developer could do is cut out the publisher/retailer all together - and offer us Download only titles at a much reduced price (after all, there's no disk or packaging/shipping costs incurred - so they should be passing the SAVING on to the consumer, rather than greedily keeping it the same price and taking PROFIT for nothing)		2011-07-12 16:16:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

What the developer could do is cut out the publisher/retailer all together - and offer us Download only titles at a much reduced price (after all, there's no disk or packaging/shipping costs incurred - so they should be passing the SAVING on to the consumer, rather than greedily keeping it the same price and taking PROFIT for nothing)

I'd love that, but there is a fundamental problem.

People who have never touched a technological interface in their life will be cross. I'm an idiot, so I check absolutely everything is right, including the name, picture, price so I haven't chosen the wrong one. Few people do that and if this went through it would be more trouble for the industry as these games can't be returned if they're the wrong one.

So, I absolutely love that idea and want it really badly because publishers are pirates and like to close companies down if they aren't getting the correct amount of mon-ay, but there will be too many complaints.		2011-07-12 16:31:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

A little known facet of online purchasing law (in the UK at least) - is the 7 day 'no-quibble' return policy.
Most people think it does not apply to "download" property like computer games and DLC - but actually it does... so long as the file is unopened.
Just as opening a game makes it non-returnable (for some retailers) - opening/installing the downloaded software is what gives away your right to return.

So if you 'did' buy the wrong product - provided you haven't opened it up and used it - you are entitled to a full refund if you inform them within 7 days.		2011-07-12 16:53:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

What the developer could do is cut out the publisher/retailer all together - and offer us Download only titles at a much reduced price (after all, there's no disk or packaging/shipping costs incurred - so they should be passing the SAVING on to the consumer, rather than greedily keeping it the same price and taking PROFIT for nothing)

This would be great. I buy all my games new...but I prefer to download when given the choice. I don't trade in games anyway, but given that you don't even have the option to resell and don't get a manual, etc. if would be nice if it was the cheaper option. You're paying a premium just for the convenience of being able to download the title.

Maybe the solution to the online pass thing is that it's a limited time requirement. Once the game is 6 months to a yeat old, you are no longer required to buy the pass. This is when the used games become really cheap to pick up anyway. I think the main issue is devs loosing out on money to game rentals, etc. Of course, if you want to play online you really want the game when it's relesed, because that's when most people are playing it.		2011-07-12 17:00:00

Author:
fullofwin
Posts: 1214

This has been around for a while. All EA Sports games '11 and later use this, including PGA 11 and FIFA 11.2011-07-12 18:17:00

Author:
nunsmasher
Posts: 247

Things is, instead of punishing the ones that buy used copies, why not incentive them to buy new copies. Like a code that gives acess to an extra feature, like an exclusive costume for your sackperson, starting cash for your Uncharted online account or even follow CoD's example (I never thought I would say that XD) and give a free code that unlocks that old map pack. That way, people who buy used games still enjoy it to its fullest without extra fees, while the ones that bought it new get a bonus. (By the way, the examples above are just examples )2011-07-12 20:46:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Maybe because online is a bigger incentive than those other things.

Extra cash - you'll just play a few more rounds to make up the difference
Extra skins - nice but you can live without them quite easily
Extra maps - you'll cope with a few less
The entire online portion of the game - well you only have to look at the conversations that occur every time this happens to see how desireable it is and why it is used as a "reward" for buying new.

It's crap but unfortunatly it seems to be successful crap so we're stuck with it now.		2011-07-12 22:01:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

PSN Pass will be system level and will allow dual-login and any user on the system to play online.

http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/index.php?topic=55855.msg152588397#msg152588397		2011-07-13 09:22:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

^^^
That's all well and good - but it just shows that an Online pass isn't required. Why can a 2nd account connect to the network at no cost?

What I want is an explanation from the companies who want this online pass system as to what the charge is actually for?
What costs are incurred by them when someone connects online (using their own PS3 system as the host - using their own internet connection - to connect to someone elses PS3)?
What is the "reason" for the charge?

If they were providing an upgraded service, then there would be a reason for the charge - but if they are removing what was a free service, and introducing an arbitrary charge in it's place - then that is just naked profiteering at our expense.

Or is the reason - as I suspect it to be - "We want your money and we know that you are stupid and desperate enough to give us it! Now BEND OVER!"?		2011-07-13 12:41:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

What I want is an explanation from the companies who want this online pass system as to what the charge is actually for?
If I were more cynical, I would suspect this is mostly to make up for the money lost in lawsuits/fines from the PSN hack fiasco.

Another possibility is that they eventually want to raise game prices. Thus, they would need some way to keep people from flocking to the used games market for savings.

This is all pure speculation of course. 		2011-07-13 13:36:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Looks like we can add Ubisoft to the list of publishers doing this. http://www.gamerzines.com/ps3/news/uplay-passport-ubisoft-online.html

So unless I'm missing any thats

EA
THQ
Codemasters
Warner Brothers
Sony
Ubisoft

doing this now.		2011-07-14 17:57:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Give it a few more years and every game in market will require an online unlock code.2011-07-14 22:40:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Funny how a few years ago it was every game must have online to retain the players and slow trade-ins now that hasn't worked as well as hoped we have this fantastic situation.2011-07-14 23:19:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

May be more loss, rather than winning those couple of $, they may lose more due to people just plain out not buying the game because of that, this is a gamble they're taking, either they win or lose and depending on the result this will either stay or leave.

Altho since a few games back already did this and probaboly succedded as they're still doing it, we may see this stay unfortunately.		2011-07-14 23:24:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I've already pondered that with Sony starting the pass scheme, with them running the PSN and the store they'll be able to see how many accounts play each game, how many of those accounts activate pass codes and how many buy a pass and use that data with their own from the few times they've already tried this and clearly the result must have indicated it was worth doing.

Day one buyers are still going to be day one buyers but if they're trading to fund the next game reduced trade-in values will have them paying a little more cash and possibly some will skip a game that was being used to fill the time in before a bigger game releases to offset the difference in their finances.

Another thought on the subject if preowned is taking away so much money why not set up their own games trading service either individually or as a group that lets the person that bought the game set their own selling price with the publisher taking a %age when it is sold. Stick a leaflet in the box to advertise the service.		2011-07-15 00:20:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

HAHAHA The resistance 3 servers are going to be so empty!!!! XD

(They will soon regret it ;P)		2011-07-15 19:38:00

Author:
Jovuto
Posts: 2345

Well, Being a Scot, true to my national stereo-type - I'm a tight-wad.
I'm a bargain hunter... I don't mind waiting a couple of months for most games until I see them for a reasonable price. There's only very few titles (quite alot actually) that I'll buy on day one but I don't believe in paying more than I have to.

So when I see a title, that 6 months ago would have cost me ?40, and I can pick it up for ?15/?20 - that's when I'll buy it.
And my back log of games to play is insane.... I don't have enough free time to play them all... I've got games I've bought and not even put in the machine yet (though I have opened them up and smelled the manual!:blush

And that's for loads of different consoles, the 360, the Wii, 3DS, PSP etc.... (and I'll still take out the old PS2 or GameCube every now and then to work on that back-log of games)

I buy ALOT of games. So maybe I'm not that thrifty.

And so many of those games are time sponges - where you can fritter away hours and hours if you so desire.

Now if I'm going to have to pay an extra ?8 - per game - for the dozens of games that I'm buying - it'll just mean that I'll be waiting until I see them for alot cheaper before I buy them... and concentrate on my back log of games... probably buy alot less games - or play something else; there's plenty of competition for my free time.

It might not be their intention - but it'll be the consequence.		2011-07-15 20:41:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

noooooooo!2011-07-16 16:30:00

Author:
PSN:AAM2730
Posts: 128

I don't really get why people are against this, unless you live in a country with out PS store. You buy the game new you just put in a code, you buy it used you just pay a little bit to get access to online2011-07-16 18:30:00

Author:
jeperty
Posts: 486

Looks like we can add Ubisoft to the list of publishers doing this. http://www.gamerzines.com/ps3/news/uplay-passport-ubisoft-online.html

So unless I'm missing any thats

EA
THQ
Codemasters
Warner Brothers
Sony
Ubisoft

doing this now.

Add Microsoft.

They'll lose titles if they don't support this.

@Mac: I'm a bargain hunter.

I don't see why people buy games immediately. Why buy something for €60 when you can get it for €30 (or lower) next month?		2011-07-16 19:35:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

Add Microsoft.

They'll lose titles if they don't support this.



While they permit it on their platform they aren't doing this particular scheme on their own titles so they don't go on the list.		2011-07-16 19:41:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

I don't really get why people are against this, unless you live in a country with out PS store. You buy the game new you just put in a code, you buy it used you just pay a little bit to get access to online

because it's bull. I don't want to buy a game then have to pay more money to be able to utilize the online functionality of said game. It's crap! Ubisoft just announce that they are introducing "UPlay Passport," a $9.99 fee that will keep you from online play unless you redeem the code. It's being introduced in the upcoming Driver: San Francisco game. I believe the game, when purchased brand new, comes with the code, but, if you buy the game used, you have to pony up the $9.99 for a new code to play online. Expect to see this more often as Ubisoft said "the Uplay Passport program will be included in "many of Ubisoft's popular core games." This effects mainly people who purchase used games, such as myself. So why not just buy the game new? Unless I wait a year or more for a game to drop in price, i'm generally only saving $10 bucks anyway. Sometimes I can find great deals on games, usually through half.com, but it's not that often. I picked up Fable II for $6 bucks the other day, but the game is 3 years old. It's just ridiculous these extra charges they are trying to institute to get more money out of us. This is pretty much a done deal now. Once one starts and sees that they can get away with it, the rest will fall like dominoes.		2011-07-16 20:03:00

Author:
biorogue
Posts: 8424

So why not just buy the game new?
That's the idea...


to get more some money out of us.
I know it's been done to death already, but if you currently aren't buying games new you aren't a source of any actual income and thus your opinion means nothing, from the PoV of the publishers /developers

The only people whose opinions do actually matter here are the people who buy new games and then sell them on to recoup some of their money. If enough of those people decide to stop buying the games new. And by enough, I mean enough people that they offset the additional income from those that swap from buying used and those that decide that it's still cheaper to buy used with a pass (and thus bring in additional revenue, consisting of almost pure profit).

That's the practical outcome of all of this, it's whether people actually stop buying games completely because of this as a protest (or for the practical reason that they can't afford to buy games new when they get less for selling them on) or not... And honestly, despite all the raging that is currently going on, my gut instinct is that they won't and this will prove to be a business model that works. Thus it will continue.


I'm not really in support of this, I'm just pretty apathetic about the whole thing.		2011-07-16 20:40:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I don't really get why people are against this, unless you live in a country with out PS store. You buy the game new you just put in a code, you buy it used you just pay a little bit to get access to online

That.

I can only accept this with two conditions:
1. It activates all the accounts on the same PS3. I don't want to have to buy a new code just because me and my brother want to play the game online;
2. And Sony opens the store for all countries (or at least the most profiting ones), so everyone gets the chance to be included in this new policy.

Unless this happens, I'm all against the idea. And I'm sure that Sony isn't giving a single one about that. (the "Coming Soon" is a lie!)		2011-07-16 23:51:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

2. And Sony opens the store for all countries (or at least the most profiting ones), so everyone gets the chance to be included in this new policy.



Isn't the store already available in the most profiting countries?		2011-07-16 23:59:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Isn't the store already available in the most profiting countries?
Nope, they lied to you. What happens is that people make fake american profiles so they can acess the store, then either buy PSN cards off the internet (for half the price) or use tricks to hide their credit card information and use it on the store.

Pretty much smuggling and using gaps on the system, but what choice do we have?		2011-07-17 00:09:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

So what most profiting countries don't have the store?2011-07-17 00:15:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

So far I know only USA, Canada, Europe and Japan have acess to the store.2011-07-17 00:29:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Store#Availability2011-07-17 00:51:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Read the bottom line:

Users from the non-PS Store countries (such as Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil) and China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China)) are not officially supported, although it is possible for them to access the PlayStation Store if they provide an address, located in a supported country.		2011-07-17 00:54:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Yes we've established that some countries don't have the store we're repeating things now.

Obviously certain regions aren't profitable enough or there's just too much other stuff that needs sorting out before a store can be launched.		2011-07-17 01:07:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

If this fee was, say, $10 buy any more than 5-6 used games a year and you'd be paying more than an Xbox Live subscription fee.2011-07-17 03:29:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

Apparently there's an online pass system for some games on the 360 aswell,
though I have never had to buy one - I've probably just been lucky with how I've split my games up across the different platforms		2011-07-17 07:43:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970


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