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I've noticed a varying degree of forgiveness and frustration among from the online community on LBP. Some people have pretty much said that this is "BEST.GAME.EVER!" while others have called it "a complete mess." Given the game as it is now, the promises made, the promises kept, and the problems encountered, what is your take on the situation? How forgiving are you of this game, and how patient will you be for the developers to fix the problems?

2008-12-13 19:10:00 Author: DarkDedede Posts: 672

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Just remember this forum is basically full o' LBP lovers. Including me. I forgive them and hope they'll update ASAP.

2008-12-13 20:15:00 Author: mongoose7 Posts: 473

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I wonder when they're going to release an update that doesn't come with bugs and blunders. Who knows how long that will be.

2009-01-01 00:37:00 Author: DarkDedede Posts: 672

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IT HAS NO FLAWS! No but seriously, I can cope with the few flaws this game has. On update 2.0 LBP will be awesome.

2009-01-01 04:25:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287

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It was only when 1.7 came out that I've noticed major game breaking bugs appearing. Certainly there are issues, for example, the search engine is getting better but still is not there yet, but 1.7 seems to have introduced some catastophic bugs, like games freezing up, save files being lost or corrupted with several hours of work disappearing, and bad connection issues to the servers. I've made a big list of bugs and issues (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=6844) I've noticed that people have been mentioning in the forums, but I still say it's a good game. Apart from minor game freezes and small connection problems, I personally have not noticed anything catastrophic. It's just I suspect the 1.6/1.7/MGS stuff was rushed to try and come out before Christmas, and so the usual rigorous bug testing has not been applied. In Australia, everything basically stops for the week or two around Christmas in New Year. Given how hard I am sure MM have worked to get the game to where it is now, the relevant bug fixing people are likely taking a shortish but well earned break. I'm sure they will be back soon and things will start working better again. I'd be surprised if the major issues were not dealt with by mid/late January. It's just bad business to leave big bugs on a major online product.

2009-01-01 04:34:00 Author: Elbee23 Posts: 1280

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Well really, all the screw-ups come back to Sony. Sony rushed the game out the door. Sony rushed 1.07 out as well, not giving them time to test it properly. I can forgive MM, but I'm not so happy with Sony.

2009-01-01 04:43:00 Author: BassDeluxe Posts: 984

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I swear you've made this thread before... Then again, all your posts seem to just to be about letting the world know you're not happy with LBP. Which is kind of strange considering this is an LBP fan forum. Meh, I've got plenty of backup games, to entertain me, until they clear up this mess. Like...Wut? It's like we're playing two completely different games. What mess? O_____O

2009-01-01 05:08:00 Author: UmJammerSully Posts: 1097

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I agree. I've never seen a better game than LBP... except Crash Bandicoot (1).

2009-01-01 05:23:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287

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What mess?Problems with capturing objects? How easy it is to break creatures? Gluing/ungluing glitches? The game randomly forgetting to save? The bug that causes sackboy to die instantly the moment he appears which has forced people to delete their saves and start again? Frankly, the game is so broken at times it feels like I'm beta testing it.

2009-01-01 18:26:00 Author: isthiswhereiputm Posts: 57

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Then again, all your posts seem to just to be about letting the world know you're not happy with LBP. Which is kind of strange considering this is an LBP fan forum. I don't see anything wrong with being critical of the game, and it's not my fault that MM and the rest of TPTB give me so much to be critical on. I would think it would be my right as a paying customer, and I don't think it's against forum rules.

2009-01-01 18:42:00 Author: DarkDedede Posts: 672

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i have 3 games to keep me company, although most of it is fixed now: R2, MGS4, and Fallout 3 Cheers!

2009-01-02 04:32:00 Author: RAINFIRE Posts: 1101

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Well, there is nothing wrong in and of itself of being critical about a game. Feedback is a good thing, even if it's pointing out problems. It's just that the poll is written from a negative point of view only. The attitude of the first post is "I am above such things" which is offensive in some cultures. There is no real "I like the game, I think it has a lot of promise" or other such positively worded option.

2009-01-02 04:59:00 Author: Elbee23 Posts: 1280

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You got all that from reading my post? I didn't think people were going to get so shocked and appalled over it. I thought it was pretty neutral, when I wrote it. Sure I put a bit of humor/sarcasm in some of the poll questions, but I don't think they were that negative. I don't see how that comes across as "holier-than-thou." Seriously, the first post doesn't seem to be any worse than anything that you've written in this thread. Am I to assume that you are also "above such things?"

2009-01-03 16:40:00 Author: DarkDedede Posts: 672

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https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=7006 thats all I am saying. My patience is running low.

2009-01-03 20:25:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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The poll choices are indeed all negative. It's not really a poll. I'll break it down for you, I think this is probably the point Elbee was trying to say as well (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong): This game has flaws!? Lies and slander!!!!!111 - Implies that the person is not willing to accept that there in fact are flaws. This option is not about accepting a few flaws, but rather ignoring many. Meh, I've got plenty of backup games, to entertain me, until they clear up this mess. - Implies that the voter is not going to play LBP until certain things are fixed. Jury's still out. At least until they release the first major update. - Says that the voter is not content with the current situation, but is waiting for improvement. Forget that! It's already on it's way to GameStop for store credit. - The voter has already given up. I don't have it yet, so I couldn't tell you... - The voter hasn't even bought the game. I would've voted something along the lines of: "The game has a few flaws, but they are being fixed with impressive speed. I love LBP! Now bring me new content to pay for!"

2009-01-03 20:45:00 Author: Linque Posts: 607

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OK, let me take a breath before I dive into this >_> Well really, all the screw-ups come back to Sony [...] I can forgive MM, but I'm not so happy with Sony. How do you know this is all Sony's doing?? I love Mm for the game they've made and the innovation they've brought to the gaming industry! Heck I want to work for them!! But does that mean they should be shielded from all blame? I don't know who's to blame for the current mess, nor do I care. I know Mm are the only ones who can fix it, period. If you trully have facts telling me Sony is behind all these problems than a quote would be great, otherwise why point fingers? I don't think it's fair. Frankly, the game is so broken at times it feels like I'm beta testing it. You're certainly not alone. I would have disagreed before the last updates, but now it feels like we were forced into beta testing those very updates. Perhaps we should have been warned "downloading this update is at your own risk, you may experience bugs & glitches"! Seriously though, had there been a warning we were about to embark back into the beta times, I would have been more cautious with my level saving to begin with!! I don't see anything wrong with being critical of the game, and it's not my fault that MM and the rest of TPTB give me so much to be critical on. I would think it would be my right as a paying customer, and I don't think it's against forum rules. I think it is not only your right, but the only way to put a little pressure into getting things fixed. This game in it's current state is broken, no question. Maybe not for everyone, but take a strole through the Help section and you cannot disagree that things have gotten substatially worse. Perhaps your poll questions are implying your point of view and that seems reasonable to me. No one has to vote in your poll, if they find it unfair a post with their personal view is certainly welcome! With the current state of affairs in LBP I think this kind of healthy protest or critique of the situation is needed to help things move along. I don't care whether your poll is perfect or not, but it sends the right message IMO without being offensive in any way. I've read and heard offensive posts towards Mm or Sony more often many times before, this isn't one of them. I would've voted something along the lines of: "The game has a few flaws, but they are being fixed with impressive speed. I love LBP! Now bring me new content to pay for!" It's like I responded to Creative's assesment that there were "small" glitches in LBP that need fixing. Peoples saves (long hard work) are being corrupted or all together broken. The glitching is back to how bad it was in the beta. No it doesn't feel as bad because the lag has not come back, so it is overall less noticeable. But the fact remains people are experiencing severe glitching and at a rate not seen since the game's full release. These flaws were introduced hastily, where surely more testing would have prevented at least some of these from showing up before release, not after people lose their work.

2009-01-03 21:47:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348

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Yeah, I know the problems, but I'm not too concerned about the current bugs. I know how to avoid all of them, and I'm confident they will be fixed soon. Also, I love the game and I know the other option would be that I wouldn't have LBP at all, as it would've not been released yet. I'm well aware that I might not express the opinion of the whole community, but my vote should express how I personally feel. The latest patch was a bit of a blunder, but I'm sure it'll be addressed soon enough. Still, having a poll titled "How are coping with LBP, and it's many flaws?", I'd hope I could vote "I'm coping well". If you just want to express your opinion about the state of the game, putting up a poll is kind of misleading.

2009-01-03 21:56:00 Author: Linque Posts: 607

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Yeah, I know the problems, but I'm not too concerned about the current bugs. Clearly you didn't have one of your friends, whom you respect as a serious level designer (and a calm person also), write to you outraged that he cannot even get back into the game. Had to create a new user just to play it. I.e. most probably will have to delete his save and re-beat the game to have all the materials and hopefully everything else (locked-published levels for example) will be ok... I get that you're lucky enough to not have encountered bugs before learning how to avoid them and that you haven't encountered a bug that you can't avoid yet, but would you have if it weren't for the swarms of people detailing what had happened to them? Also, I love the game and I know the other option would be that I wouldn't have LBP at all, as it would've not been released yet. I agree with you there, this game is groundbreaking and I love it to death. I couldn't work in LBP cause of all the bugs, so what did I do? I made the biggest PS3 theme I've made to date, and it is based on LBP! But my fear is less for my gaming than the game itself. Things fail. Especially in a capitalist society. If you put out a new product and overall, it ends up disapointing more than succeeding, then it is very possible it will not continue on. Look at games like Lair. I LOVED it. It was hard, certainly flawed, but it dared to innovate in its use of the controls, but ultimately disappointed the majority and a planned sequel never saw the light of day. I think a second game would have been much better at using the Sixaxis and graphics would have improved. But their first attempt failed and they were not given a second chance. I don't want that to happen to LBP. It deserves to go on and be better, but it needs to be better now, not with new features, but with the features it has and the ones that come out being either bug-free or at the very least have very few actually small bugs. EDIT: lol, I actually managed to quote you twice from the same post

2009-01-03 22:20:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348

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You've got good points all around. I'm actually not too aware about a bug causing corrupt saves, I only know about the one where the profile isn't saved at all. :o I guess I'm a bit too used to a programming environment and work-in-progress products (I'm currently working part-time programming a bit of software). All of you're right that commercial products shouldn't have this kind of flaws. I guess you've got me persuaded that the situation is a bit worse than I thought it was. But I still think the poll is pretty silly. EDIT: Yeah, I did a bit of reading thru the profile error threads, and you're right, that seems really serious. I thought it was only about profiles not getting saved, not entire profiles getting corrupt. Sorry for rubbing you guys the wrong way, this is definitely way beyond reasonable. Hopefully the corrupt saves won't hit too many guys before the fix. However, this kind of stuff is serious enough that I expect a fix within next week. Sorry again, I ought to apologize about this one.

2009-01-03 23:17:00 Author: Linque Posts: 607

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I don't see anything wrong with being critical of the game, and it's not my fault that MM and the rest of TPTB give me so much to be critical on. I would think it would be my right as a paying customer, and I don't think it's against forum rules. It's not against forum rules. It is however, against Chaz 'O Skulls rules. Which at the end of the day, are the only rules that really matter. It's all very screwy as it's different for each person. Honestly, the only glitch I've come across is the unglue thing. Which was once and took me about 15 minutes to fix. It's not like I'm not using the creator either, I do all the time. If I'm going to be honest, I think a lot of people are just butthurt that they've spent a lot of time and effort on levels then to have them screw up. Not that I can blame them. The poll choices are indeed all negative. It's not really a poll. I'll break it down for you, I think this is probably the point Elbee was trying to say as well (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong): This game has flaws!? Lies and slander!!!!!111 - Implies that the person is not willing to accept that there in fact are flaws. This option is not about accepting a few flaws, but rather ignoring many. Meh, I've got plenty of backup games, to entertain me, until they clear up this mess. - Implies that the voter is not going to play LBP until certain things are fixed. Jury's still out. At least until they release the first major update. - Says that the voter is not content with the current situation, but is waiting for improvement. Forget that! It's already on it's way to GameStop for store credit. - The voter has already given up. I don't have it yet, so I couldn't tell you... - The voter hasn't even bought the game. I would've voted something along the lines of: "The game has a few flaws, but they are being fixed with impressive speed. I love LBP! Now bring me new content to pay for!" Yeah, exactly. It's not offensive, it's just kind of patronising. I know for sure that I'm not playing an 'unfinished game' anyway.

2009-01-04 04:50:00 Author: UmJammerSully Posts: 1097

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The poll choices are indeed all negative. It's not really a poll. I'll break it down for you, I think this is probably the point Elbee was trying to say as well (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong): There's no real "wrong" way to interpret them. If you're not comfortable with picking any of the choices, you're free to share your specific point of view in the thread. I made this thread to spark some discussion, and it would seem that it has done just that. This game has flaws!? Lies and slander!!!!!111 - Implies that the person is not willing to accept that there in fact are flaws. This option is not about accepting a few flaws, but rather ignoring many. Ok I exaggerated a bit in this choice. Obviously there are people out there that think this way, but I tried to lighten it up a bit with the way it was written. I could be interpreted literally or not. I'm sure some people picked this one because of the way it was written. Meh, I've got plenty of backup games, to entertain me, until they clear up this mess. - Implies that the voter is not going to play LBP until certain things are fixed. This choice was picked for the players for which LBP isn't that only game that they want to play. The bugs don't bother them, since they have the option to go out and do other stuff, if they choose to do so. Therefore they don't need a fix right now. Jury's still out. At least until they release the first major update. - Says that the voter is not content with the current situation, but is waiting for improvement. I suppose it could be interpreted that way, but "jury's still out" implies that they player is indifferent until they see how MM is going to handle fixing the problems. Forget that! It's already on it's way to GameStop for store credit. - The voter has already given up. I don't have it yet, so I couldn't tell you... - The voter hasn't even bought the game. Obviously I would've voted something along the lines of: "The game has a few flaws, but they are being fixed with impressive speed. I love LBP! Now bring me new content to pay for!" Yeah I'm in that boat too. I loved all the goodies that came with the MGS levels. Too bad that half of what I collected didn't save. I'm just amazed that they would release an update that causes so many problems. I'm also sad that I can't color my prize bubbles with stickers any more. Making prize bubble prizes was one of my favorite things to do in the game. Also, given the fact that they went on holiday for a couple weeks (deserved, I'm sure), all these problems couldn't have happened at a worse time. I'm sure they'll get it all fixed, and then some, soon enough, but they're still not exactly smelling like roses right now.

2009-01-04 07:14:00 Author: DarkDedede Posts: 672

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still need to read a lot more but uhm.. Yeah, I know the problems, but I'm not too concerned about the current bugs. I know how to avoid all of them, you would be the first LD ever that would be able to do so. Im my past 10 years of experience with editors and apps, Every editor, every application at least crashed on me 100 times. 3dsmax, ued (1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0), ps, psp, illustrator, Dragon, mudbox and so on. but some of the crashes ive seen in LBP just amaze me. Edit, Now that he read about the bug-problem, I wil give linque a hug!

2009-01-04 09:02:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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All of you're right that commercial products shouldn't have this kind of flaws. I guess you've got me persuaded that the situation is a bit worse than I thought it was. Glad I got you to see what was really going on. I know I too would have been a major sceptic had it not happend to me too! When you consider the monwy we've invested in this game, with all the DLC and everything, it's certainly not acceptable to be given an update that can potentially harm all the work you've done on this program. However, this kind of stuff is serious enough that I expect a fix within next week. I would certainly hope so, but I don't have the same optimism that a fix will come so quickly. Who knows how hard it will be to find the problems caused by the update. With such widespread bugs having many different manifestations I am inclined to believe we'll have to wait a little longer for a solution... Sorry for rubbing you guys the wrong way, this is definitely way beyond reasonable. No need for that my friend You were acting on the information you had which is the best any of us can do. And you didn't attack anyone so I don't believe you rubbed anyone in the wrong way! If anything, you helped spark a much needed debate about the current state of things! I know for sure that I'm not playing an 'unfinished game' anyway. Not an unfinished game no, but an unfinished patch can turn in into such a feeling. The game was fine, had it kinks before the patch, but major bugs were few and far apart. Now it's just getting ridiculous. I don't think all these patches were needed before Christmas, but obviously they wanted to treat us to something awesome. Too bad it came with a side of coal

2009-01-04 10:54:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348

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Honestly, I don't care about the fact that you guys haven't seen that many bugs, or this game doesn't have as much bugs as other level design programs or whatever. The matter comes down to this, every single patch that has came with MM, delivers a new batch of bugs with it. 1.07 being the worst. I didn't see it as a big deal, because I had never got one, until today. I get on, and find out that my level has reverted back, "Ok no big deal, I had it published online so I could easily get it back" I get in it, and all my layers are merged together, MAGICALLY. I was offline, and the game decided for me that I wanted two parts of my tree merged together, so when I had come back online. It had become one object, making it too complex. I tried everything from cutting only half of it away, trying to save as much as I possibly could... nothing... nothing worked... I had to completely delete the tree, about 10-15 hours of hard work, gone... Now, is it my fault? Some of you might say " You shouldn't of had such a complex object " No, the game shouldn't even have such a tight system for complex objects, and what's even worse is you can't fix it sometimes, you can't even cut out from the object to make it less complex, it just sits there... taunting you... because you can't do anything, forcing you to delete it... I can understand everything, except one thing... WHY IN THE HELL DID MY LAYERS MERGE TOGETHER? I swear when I had turned off my ps3, they were two seperate parts, about 10 feet apart from each other, and when I had got back online. They were together, no one touched my ps3, nothing... It's so stupid... I've decided to stop creating until this is fixed, so I chose the second option... Sorry for the rant. If any of you read it. :eek: Short version: I won't play LBP, Create Mode, at least. Until they fix the bugs that shouldn't of even been there in the first place.

2009-01-04 11:21:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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I can understand everything, except one thing... WHY IN THE HELL DID MY LAYERS MERGE TOGETHER? I swear when I had turned off my ps3, they were two seperate parts, about 10 feet apart from each other, and when I had got back online. They were together, no one touched my ps3, nothing... It's so stupid... I've decided to stop creating until this is fixed, so I chose the second option... Sorry for the rant. If any of you read it. :eek: Short version: I won't play LBP, Create Mode, at least. Until they fix the bugs that shouldn't of even been there in the first place. I read it, and I feel for you man. I've been on the no-create-till-fix "strike" for a little while now, loosing 60 hours of work with the possibility of it happening again at any moment'll do that. I'm curious though, this seems to be something totally new... What do you meen your layers "merged tgother"? I need a bit more explanation, I didn't understand what happened from what you wrote. Did things get glued, did one lair become part of another somehow?? I'm really curious about this...

2009-01-04 11:28:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348

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I read it, and I feel for you man. I've been on the no-create-till-fix "strike" for a little while now, loosing 60 hours of work with the possibility of it happening again at any moment'll do that. I'm curious though, this seems to be something totally new... What do you meen your layers "merged tgother"? I need a bit more explanation, I didn't understand what happened from what you wrote. Did things get glued, did one lair become part of another somehow?? I'm really curious about this... Ok, here is the story exactly... I had one huge part of a tree, had a bunch of bubbles glued, you would float down a leaf, collecting bubbles as you go down. Then you would go through a bunch of paths, each designated with it's own color, represented by a LED light. I had hit the lights, and the "too complex" pop up came up. I had the chance to rewind, and I made it seperate, the leaf falling part seperated from the platforms. I clicked both layers, and I can confirm that they had no contact with each other. Then, I took all my lights, about 30 or so. Which were glued to the second part of the tree, I took them out. And cut out a 4 x 4 square and then inserted a 4x4 square inside that cut-out. Then glued the light on that 4x4 square, which essentially, made it so each light was glued to it's own square. Not to the giant second part of the tree. I checked to make sure everything was in contact, it was beatiful. About 10 hours of work. Saved, published locked, waited till the icon was gone, and quit the game, then turned off my ps3. This was yesterday, I get on today. Copy the published level to My Moon since the moon level had reverted all those 10 hours ( made sure to avoid this ) So, I copy it to my Moon. Click edit and enter the level, only to find that those two parts had merged together. What I mean by this, I don't know it's a bit hard to understand, the game had completely gone insane or something, it basically looked like I had never cut between the two parts ever. Like the game totally merged the layers together, and all those 4x4 squares for each light, had become whole with the second part of the tree. When I saw this, I decided to stop playing LBP's Create Mode. It's just something too stupid to handle, when it should of never happened in the first place.

2009-01-04 11:37:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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Ok thanks for explaining. I get what happened now. I don't get how in the heck it could have happened though! It's like I was saying. This bug seems to affect people differently, with unecpected and sometimes (like in this case) crazy side effects... And like the "stuff turning red for a while" effect which isn't too serious (because it's been reported it eventually goes away) but definitely crazy!

2009-01-04 11:49:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348

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I've noticed that the game can lag quite a bit when swapping between create mode and play mode when playtesting stuff, up to several noticable seconds. It then snaps back afterwards. I tend to leave it do it's thing or press the PS button, that seems to snap it back a little bit faster. It's like the hard drive falls asleep or something. I'm guessing that the interaction with the servers in create mode is being seriously, seriously overtaxed. Given the new players with Christmas, and the suspicion that the right people are on holidays, this might be what's causing the bug. The game just became far too popular and the servers too taxed, with no one there to fix it. That's my theory about save files corrupting. Mind you, it's only a theory. By the way, Linque summed up well my feelings about what was behind the poll. Thank you for explaining them well with more words. It's just I was more aware of the bug problems. If people still are not aware of them somehow, have a look at the big bug list in the suggestion section, and check out all the threads under the "save file corrupting" section.

2009-01-04 14:13:00 Author: Elbee23 Posts: 1280

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I've decided to create offline, it's so much easier... My god, I was so used to the rewind screen freezing up for a minute, it never happens offline. I suggest everyone create offline, like seriously...

2009-01-04 21:51:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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