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Beyond Lbp2's 20 Level Slot Limit

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How is this possible? Hey guys damaz here, last night and prior to that I have been playing some awesome levels from the creator "Marspark" and during the time I was checking out his earth I noticed that he has a current total of 29 levels published, now that wasn't a big deal to me untill I noticed that they were all lbp2 levels, curious I decided to test out my level count and see if I could publish more that 20, which I had assumed was the limit since lbp1 had the 20 limit on it. Turns out I could not publish more than 20 lbp2 levels and now I am seriously confuzzled as to how Marspark got beyond that limit. I have contacted him asking about it and even though I am still waiting for an answer, I wanted to get the word out to the community and see if anyone may know anything about this?

UPDATE: So after getting back a reply from Marspark it is confirmed, there is a way to use your lbp1 levels slot server space for a lbp2 level, the application is very easy to do and so far it doesn't look like it is harmful to the game, all it seems to do is just take up the level slots given to you in lbp1, so it's safe to say that you could have a total of 40 lbp2 levels while using the level slot server space of both lbp1 and 2. The steps to get lbp2 level saved over a lbp1 level slot are:
1: Have all your 20 lbp2 level slots already used up
2: Get on lbp1 and publish a locked lbp1 level with a custom title, no "unnamed level" titles please
3: Get on lbp2 and create a level and name it the EXACT title as the locked lbp1 level you just made
4: Get to publishing the lbp2 level and hover over the locked lbp1 level with the exact title
5: Since the title's are the same the game treats the lbp2 with the same title as a update of the lbp1 level, therefore giving you a lbp1 level slot for a lbp2 level, normally the hovering "level to be published" would be red, but now it will allow you to overwrite the lbp1 level, all that's needed now is too...
6: Publish the level!
7: After the lbp1 level is succesfully converted to a lbp2 level, you can change the title of the level if you want
NOTE: This may or may not be fixed, it's undetermined if this is harmful to the lbp servers, so for now enjoy it!
Another Edit: So now it seems that you have an unlimited amount of level slots with this process...now that posses a issue
Yet Another Edit: This process is now null and void....		2011-07-03 19:32:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

Strange. The only thought that comes to mind is publishing an LBP1 level and then publishing an LBP2 level on top of it, though I haven't tested it out myself.2011-07-03 19:45:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Easy and simple answer. All of your LBP1 levels dont count towards the level limit for your LBP2 levels...2011-07-03 19:59:00

Author:
BonBonBoi
Posts: 246

Easy and simple answer. All of your LBP1 levels dont count towards the level limit for your LBP2 levels...
Which doesn't explain how someone gets over 20 LBP2 levels.
http://lbp.me/search?q=%40Marspark		2011-07-03 20:28:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Strange. The only thought that comes to mind is publishing an LBP1 level and then publishing an LBP2 level on top of it, though I haven't tested it out myself.

This is very plausible, actually.		2011-07-03 20:33:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

Yea, it might be LBP1 overwrite i don't see other way how it could be done other then limit is just a bluff, somebody need to test it :> that would be very interesting and MM would have real trouble to fix that without harming people.... wonder what will happen if you publish more LBP1 levels, hope that is protected enoth2011-07-03 21:18:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

I don't thinkl it's the lbp1 overwrite because I already tried doing it whilst haveing 20 lbp2 level slots filled up, you can't hover over the lbp1 level while having 20 lbp2 levels.2011-07-04 00:00:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

Sometimes people will be nice if you just ask. I asked him he said "Publish a level in LBP1, go to LBP2 name the level exactly the same and it will let you publish over it" tested and ti works so pretty simple...2011-07-04 03:21:00

Author:
fodawim
Posts: 363

^ quite heartfelt comment. IMMD.2011-07-04 03:31:00

Author:
Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

I hope MM don't fix this~ 2011-07-04 06:12:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Sometimes people will be nice if you just ask. I asked him he said "Publish a level in LBP1, go to LBP2 name the level exactly the same and it will let you publish over it" tested and ti works so pretty simple...

I was wondering this too. Thanks for answering.		2011-07-04 07:57:00

Author:
SkaterOllie795
Posts: 145

Oh snap. Mm don't need to fix this... You get 20 per game so... It's the same server space. (hopeful)2011-07-04 07:57:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

Hey has anyone else tested it? because i just tested this and it says i now have 11 published levels on LBP2 and 1 on LBP 1 where as before i did this it was 10 BP2 levels and 2 LBP 1 levels so it doesn't seem to have worked.2011-07-04 10:55:00

Author:
Lordwarblade
Posts: 761

We all need to calm the crap down, meet in another forum, and talk in code so Mm never gets word of this...2011-07-04 12:46:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Too late

http://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/publishing_more_than_20_lbp2_levels		2011-07-04 15:24:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

http://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/publishing_more_than_20_lbp2_levels

Why did that guy even report it??? what is wrong is some people!?
well most likely MM won't care to fix it... thankfully.		2011-07-04 16:51:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Well on 2nd throuth it's possible to fix it without harming people, they could fix publishment but LBP2 levels on LBP1 slot could stay. The whole bug is not destractive at all as long you can't cross 40 levels overall limit.... i also hope they won't fix it 2011-07-04 17:05:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

They shouldn't fix it because it doesn't affect anything/anyone in a negative way.2011-07-04 19:11:00

Author:
ADS_LEGEND
Posts: 140

Hmm.. I don't see why they couldn't have just given us 40 overall levels to publish for both games.

If the server can handle 20 LBP1 levels, and 20 LBP2 levels, why not 40 LBP2 levels? Or 12 LBP1 levels, and 28 LBP2? (To use a random example...)


If you ask me, this would have made more sense than the 20 for each game limit, and obviously it wouldn't strain the server, since players can already publish 40 levels.		2011-07-04 19:16:00

Author:
Plasmavore
Posts: 1913

i may be wrong, but i read in the guiness (idk how to spell that) world records book that its the only game that alows more server space to certan people.
feel free to prove me wrong!		2011-07-05 08:29:00

Author:
Unknown User

I don't think Mm would need to fix this, because all you are doing is taking advantage of your 20 LBP1 stirs, right?
EDIT: Somebody already said this...		2011-07-05 13:33:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

Tried this out a few days ago and it works like a charm! It's very easy to implement, all you need to do is have all your 20 lbp2 level slots filled up, then make a lbp1 level, name it something, make a lbp2 level with the exact same name as the lbp1 level, publish over the lbp1 level, and tada! In my opening post I said it wouldn't work this way, true it doesn't if the title is different, but it lets you if they have the same title, I guess the server treats the exact title level as an update so this lets you get away with more lbp2 levels? Either way it's very cool and handy for those who need loads of space, or reach their 20 limit slots in lbp2 2011-07-06 21:04:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

I figured it out now aswell though it only worked for me when i had the LBP 1 level locked and published. Seeing as i am making an RPG which will consist of at least 5 levels and a level link or 2 and then also working on another 40k level and a Duke Nukem level ontop of a Mech level i really am going to need this.

Yeah i know too many levels. I just keep coming up with a new idea and making new models. This is the Best Glitch in LBP 2.		2011-07-07 13:23:00

Author:
Lordwarblade
Posts: 761

Do you need to keep the name the same though?

Because I'm nowhere near my limit, but never really published anything in LBP1 so I think of it as server space I paid for but wont use.

Should I make place holder stages (in case it does get patched) and if I do will I be be able to change the name once it been popped over to LBP2?		2011-07-09 10:10:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

If it gets patched then the placeholders wouldn't work, but for now, while it works, you do need to have it be the same title to make it a lbp2 level after that, you can rename it if you so desire, updated post with your question as step 7 of the process 2011-07-09 19:07:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

Amazing!!

I really (really) hope this won't get fixed...

Especially because i plan to release ALOT of levels and sublevels for a project i'm making, and this would be really useful..

Like people said before, it doesn't harm the game in any way, and it only helps people.

The 40 level limit still remains, the only difference is that inside the 40 level limit itself, the levels are distributed differently.		2011-07-09 20:21:00

Author:
thi766
Posts: 135

Unlikely to ever be necessary, but I assume if you delete the level it's available for LBP1 again?2011-07-09 21:15:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

So, this is pretty simple. Here is the scenario: you are making a level series or something along those lines, and instead of making a new account to continue the series, why not take advantage of this glitch. So. If you have 20 lbp2 levels, and need more space, simply go into LBP1 and publish 20 more levels. Then in lbp2 you can overwrite them for a grand total of 40 LBP2 levels. You can continue this forever, I would assume. So you can probably get over 100 LBP2 levels on your earth.
And for some people, don't abuse this glitch to make 300 copies of the same level. Just for real usage. Thank you! <3

EDIT: Seriously, don't abuse this, and be careful, because if MM patches this you might lose your levels.		2011-07-25 14:59:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

So, this is pretty simple. Here is the scenario: you are making a level series or something along those lines, and instead of making a new account to continue the series, why not take advantage of this glitch. So. If you have 20 lbp2 levels, and need more space, simply go into LBP1 and publish 20 more levels. Then in lbp2 you can overwrite them for a grand total of 40 LBP2 levels. You can continue this forever, I would assume. So you can probably get over 100 LBP2 levels on your earth.
And for some people, don't abuse this glitch to make 300 copies of the same level. Just for real usage. Thank you! <3

EDIT: Seriously, don't abuse this, and be careful, because if MM patches this you might lose your levels.

Static this is where I found out how to do the glitch lol This post (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=59264-Beyond-Lbp2-s-20-Level-Slot-Limit&p=879713&viewfull=1#post879713)

& I love having 100 levels on my other account 8^)

& yes with this glitch the amount of levels you can have is infinite		2011-07-25 18:29:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

Aye, thanks for that. I did not know there was another thread, I just felt like making a tutorial for people, I guess.2011-07-25 18:48:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

I don't even think you can fit 300 levels on your earth.2011-07-25 18:48:00

Author:
Chdonga
Posts: 388

I don't even think you can fit 300 levels on your earth.
Look ate lve__msg's earth. He has 100 levels!		2011-07-25 18:51:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

Somebody said it's possible to create as many levels as you want, saying even 100 levels is possible~
is this true? can we really have over 100 levels on our planet? xD		2011-07-25 20:25:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

can we really have over 100 levels on our planet? xD

This page (http://lbp.me/search?q=lve__msg) would seem to suggest you can.

Edit: merged two virtually identical threads.		2011-07-25 20:39:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

Well looks like this thing won't live long2011-07-25 20:47:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Nice~ And MM will most likely not patch this as that would mean people's levels would get deleted~
Happy as now I most likely won't have to start a new PSN when for my future level series I'm working on.
*mew		2011-07-25 20:51:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

And MM will most likely not patch this as that would mean people's levels would get deleted...

They could easily patch in in such a way as to prevent users from exceeding the normal limit without deleting any existing levels, and I'm sure they intend to patch it "soon", but as we all know, that could be several months from now. 		2011-07-25 21:01:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

Nice~ And MM will most likely not patch this as that would mean people's levels would get deleted~
Happy as now I most likely won't have to start a new PSN when for my future level series I'm working on.
*mew

Actually they can fix it without harmoing people. Part that fails here is in publishment process that adds levels to database not in database it self, it's not like those levels are bugged or something for server and game they are normal database entries, simply publishmant code didnt guard the limit well. Technicly they can leave levels as they are and patch the hole so no more levels like that could be created anymore		2011-07-25 21:04:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Yeah i was thinking about that...
but I'm not seeing much point in them doing so?
you may say something like it take up more room on their servers if people did this.
or people may use it to spam... but not really to be honest. As we can just as easy
make new PSNs like we have been up till now to do the same kind of things.

I'm like the only person I know who Has only one PSN. so in the end
if a person uploads 20, 40, 100 levels online. it's the same no matter if it's on one PSN
or many. it's still the same whatever number of levels uploaded regardless.		2011-07-25 21:10:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

...but I'm not seeing much point in them doing so?

Well, there's still a potential assertion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertion_(computing)) failure scenario.

If the programmer who wrote the code which lays out the level patches on an author's craft earth made the assumption that there will never be more than a certain number of patches to lay out, and optimized the algorithm with that in mind, it could potentially crash the game when that assertion fails.

It seems that it's okay with 100 levels, but what about 1,000, or 10,000, etc.?		2011-07-25 21:27:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

I'm not 100% sure but,
It's not even possible to have that much room to fit them on your planet is there?
I'd think by the time your starting to get over 100 you be running out of room for places
to put them down on?		2011-07-25 21:30:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

The fact that you can get to a point where your entire earth is covered means that it'll probably get shut down. Can't blame any one for testing the boundaries though.2011-07-25 22:43:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

I'm not 100% sure but,
It's not even possible to have that much room to fit them on your planet is there?
I'd think by the time your starting to get over 100 you be running out of room for places
to put them down on?

if you look at the at my lve__msg's earth you'll see I have 3 pages of levels, the game automatically makes pages after a certain amount.
& I updated my privacy setting so you can now see the profile (http://lbp.me/u/lve__msg) on lbp.me		2011-07-26 07:55:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

Ahhh... well then like Aya said, that could possibly lead to problems...
Lets just hope it never does so MM won't have to care... (>__>)
and if they do end up fixing it... I wish they at least give us 50 Level slots...
but Ohwell, I'll live with whatever happens *mew

But I wonder... Maybe I should full up my earth some before they do maybe fix it?
seems like a waste somewhat not to~		2011-07-26 08:14:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Ahhh... well then like Aya said, that could possibly lead to problems...
Lets just hope it never does so MM won't have to care... (>__>)
and if they do end up fixing it... I wish they at least give us 50 Level slots...
but Ohwell, I'll live with whatever happens *mew

But I wonder... Maybe I should full up my earth some before they do maybe fix it?
seems like a waste somewhat not to~

To each his own 8^) & there are over 4 million levels, & you guys are worried about extra levels that can be made? I'm sure the servers can handle it....either way i'm out for the night 8^)		2011-07-26 08:33:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

Hmm, when it was just 20 extra LBP2 levels at the cost of LBP1 levels it was pretty harmless. With unlimited levels it becomes a lot more likely that they'll patch it. Especially since they can probably do it server-side. Hopefully they'll just place a 40 levels total limit. 2011-07-26 09:55:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

Man I hope that's all that happens when an eventual patch comes out, I don't mind having 40 lbp2 level slots, hopefully MM doesn't either 2011-07-30 05:01:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm304/Rigatopolis/alex1-52.png
http://lbp.me/u/lve__msg

.................So... Um... What?		2011-07-30 20:13:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

If this gives you 20 extra spaces, how has lve__msg managed this (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=60910-WAY-WAY-beyond-LBP2s-20-level-slot-limit)?2011-07-30 20:22:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

Some level can take 5 minute to make..* caugh*....Gummy bear song...2011-07-30 20:24:00

Author:
Sport_dude
Posts: 622

Oh Im not talking about making them, I highly doubt he actually MADE the levels, there probably completely empty, plus theyre locked.2011-07-30 20:26:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

I really want to see his earth...2011-07-30 20:28:00

Author:
Spazz
Posts: 484

Ok people, I too wanted to see his earth, so I went on the game. He had 23 levels published, and I couldnt find a single comment back to June 30th that I see at the top of the list on LBP.me. What is happening?!2011-07-30 20:42:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

I noticed all the levels are just counting to 100. Thats sad.2011-07-30 21:13:00

Author:
Zero10100
Posts: 385

Dont worry about it being sad. It is amazing... If he actually published 100! The "cap" is 40. And that is with work arounds...2011-07-30 21:16:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Dont worry about it being sad. It is amazing... If he actually published 100! The "cap" is 40. And that is with work arounds...

Ok people, I too wanted to see his earth, so I went on the game. He had 23 levels published, and I couldnt find a single comment back to June 30th that I see at the top of the list on LBP.me. What is happening?!

It sounds like he just tricked lbp.me not the actual level cap.		2011-07-30 21:19:00

Author:
Zero10100
Posts: 385

on his LBP.me page it says he has 100 published levels in his stats. Maybe you cant see them on his moon because it glitched the moon....2011-07-30 21:19:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

on his LBP.me page it says he has 100 published levels in his stats. Maybe you cant see them on his moon because it glitched the moon....

I haven't seen his planet so I'm just going with tricking lbp.me		2011-07-30 21:22:00

Author:
Zero10100
Posts: 385

So it seems that there isn't a cap at 40 levels.... well someone had to break the lbp barrier at some point 2011-07-30 21:26:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

To each his own 8^) & there are over 4 million levels, & you guys are worried about extra levels that can be made? I'm sure the servers can handle it....either way i'm out for the night 8^)

Hmmmmm... there one issue thru, those 5mil levels was been done in 20-40 limit, what would happen if that limit didnt exist in begining? there already people with full 40 slots and i bet the could do more, multi-accounting is not much confort solution which also reduce the number of using this technique, people would spam more and we would have 10mil or more right now who knows. What im talking here, is fact that it's easier to pay for product in rates then all at once, they know that they wont stop number of levels and needs will incresse over time, but to slow proces down they made this limit, so they can slow down server upgrade needs.

Also keep in mind we not talking here only about disk space, but also database size, bigger tables makes database slower since it need to search for entry in longer time, which means it need faster server over time		2011-07-30 21:42:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Ok people, I too wanted to see his earth, so I went on the game. He had 23 levels published, and I couldnt find a single comment back to June 30th that I see at the top of the list on LBP.me. What is happening?!

lol that's my earth, on my 2nd account.
It was posted awhile ago in the other thread.
Yes they are all blank, I just wanted to test it.
With the glitch you can have infinite levels, I just stopped at 100 because I wanted to.
If you go to the planet on LBP2 you have to press L1 or R1 since my planet has three pages not just one.		2011-07-31 03:37:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

lol that's my earth, on my 2nd account.
It was posted awhile ago in the other thread.
Yes they are all blank, I just wanted to test it.
With the glitch you can have infinite levels, I just stopped at 100 because I wanted to.
If you go to the planet on LBP2 you have to press L1 or R1 since my planet has three pages not just one.

Holy ****! You might be the Jesus Christ of LBP if you make this public... Do not report this to get satisfaction, and don't let it out of LBPC		2011-07-31 03:44:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Holy ****! You might be the Jesus Christ of LBP if you make this public... Do not report this to get satisfaction, and don't let it out of LBPC

Where do you think I learned it?
Here (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=59264-Beyond-Lbp2-s-20-Level-Slot-Limit)
& some guy already posted on GS (http://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/publishing_more_than_20_lbp2_levels)		2011-07-31 03:50:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

lol that's my earth, on my 2nd account.
It was posted awhile ago in the other thread.
Yes they are all blank, I just wanted to test it.
With the glitch you can have infinite levels, I just stopped at 100 because I wanted to.
If you go to the planet on LBP2 you have to press L1 or R1 since my planet has three pages not just one.

Yes, fine, but that still doesnt explain the face that all the comments dont exist and youre profile only says you have 23 levels.		2011-07-31 04:46:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

Yes, fine, but that still doesnt explain the face that all the comments dont exist and youre profile only says you have 23 levels.

:kz:That's lve_msg with 2 __.

lve_msg (http://lbp.me/u/lve_msg)

lve__msg (http://lbp.me/u/lve__msg)		2011-07-31 06:13:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Holy Laser!, Batman! That's amazing,2011-07-31 07:06:00

Author:
DarrienEven
Posts: 217

:kz:That's lve_msg with 2 __.

lve_msg (http://lbp.me/u/lve_msg)

lve__msg (http://lbp.me/u/lve__msg)

LOL yea what he said^

100 level PSN lve__msg
23 level PSN lve_msg		2011-07-31 07:45:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

It may have been placed as a... self-update?

In other words, Mm were aware that some people would want to improve their levels, but didn't want it to delete the LBP1 level and replace it with an LBP2 one.		2011-07-31 18:35:00

Author:
Nurolight
Posts: 918

LOL yea what he said^

100 level PSN lve__msg
23 level PSN lve_msg

Oh, you clever man. Who wouldve noticed that? I certainly didnt. But, that still leaves us with the question of how you did it. Im going to take a guess(really, it is a complete guess), but when you do the "cheat" of publishing more than 20 LBP2 levels by overriding LBP1 ones, are you able to continue to publish LBP1 levels after theyre overwritten, as though they werent there at all?		2011-08-01 02:37:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

^ Once you replace the LBP1 level with a LBP2 level.
the slot opens up again on LBP1~

So ya, you can keep doing that foreverz.
*mew		2011-08-01 02:41:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

^ Once you replace the LBP1 level with a LBP2 level.
the slot opens up again on LBP1~

So ya, you can keep doing that foreverz.
*mew
Ah, lol, that's what I though the initial post on this explained, that doing the publishing trick opened up the slot for LBP1, I suppose I read it wrong, but ended up right in the end .

Personally, I think they should just remove the cap entirely and limit us to 1 publication per week. Unless someone was VERY dedicated, it'd be almost impossible to spam this way. Also, that would ensure that at least some effort went into it (or none at all, and we only have to deal with 1 per week).		2011-08-01 05:23:00

Author:
SSTAGG1
Posts: 1136

Oh, you clever man. Who wouldve noticed that? I certainly didnt. But, that still leaves us with the question of how you did it. Im going to take a guess(really, it is a complete guess), but when you do the "cheat" of publishing more than 20 LBP2 levels by overriding LBP1 ones, are you able to continue to publish LBP1 levels after theyre overwritten, as though they werent there at all?

LOL, & yea after you overwrite LBP1 they go away, that's why it's infinite 8^)		2011-08-01 05:34:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

Hey, I was right! Of course, now that this is public, how many ridiculous amounts of levels will people publish before MM decides they care enough to patch it?2011-08-01 22:49:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

Hey, I was right! Of course, now that this is public, how many ridiculous amounts of levels will people publish before MM decides they care enough to patch it?

That's why I didn't do it on my main account because they could delete levels off your earth.		2011-08-02 00:35:00

Author:
lve_msg
Posts: 408

Lolol, if everyone started having 100+ levels, methinks Mm's servers wouldn't be too pleased 2011-08-02 14:38:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

Too late

http://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/publishing_more_than_20_lbp2_levels

ahhhhhhh 		2011-08-02 14:59:00

Author:
zzmorg82
Posts: 948

I'm pretty sure that my moon is bigger than to only allow a 20 level slot limit.......An update or patch perhaps?2011-08-03 11:27:00

Author:
lbp2goty
Posts: 104

Your Moon isn't the issue here, we're talking about publishing spots on your Earth. 2011-08-03 11:33:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

We know about this by the way, and are making sure the server is ok with it. I'll update you on it if we decide to do anything about it - don't be too surprised if it gets fixed back down to the allotted amount one day. 2011-08-04 14:36:00

Author:
Spaff_Molecule
Posts: 421

A molecule found out! Hit the deck! JK. It's good to know you care enough about this community to investigate a glitch, even if it seems to benefit us. After all, this could be used for great evil! H4H could explode!2011-08-04 14:40:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

We know about this by the way, and are making sure the server is ok with it. I'll update you on it if we decide to do anything about it - don't be too surprised if it gets fixed back down to the allotted amount one day.
so spaff if the server goes well with it are you going to take off the limit or expand it to 30 or 40		2011-08-04 14:43:00

Author:
WESFUN
Posts: 1336

I think expanding the LBP2 slot to 30 is a good idea because of level linking. It is easy to run out your 20 with a big project, so essentially you have only one level you can ever publish but if you had ten more, it might encourage people to expand more. Who knows. I am no programmer.2011-08-04 14:52:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Nice that we have confirmation that MM knows, now I can wait in peace to see what the verdict is for the extra level slots 2011-08-05 02:48:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

I always thought while I was showering, that creators that spend a lot of time in create mode I MEAN A LOT OF TIME!... Like me.. Should get awarded a badge that unlocks more level slots. The whole reason we each have a 20 limit might be because of spammers or trophy go getters. But say you spend 1000 hours in create.. Well you're obviously not a spammer are you.2011-08-07 21:41:00

Author:
clarkdef
Posts: 138

I always thought while I was showering, that creators that spend a lot of time in create mode I MEAN A LOT OF TIME!... Like me.. Should get awarded a badge that unlocks more level slots. The whole reason we each have a 20 limit might be because of spammers or trophy go getters. But say you spend 1000 hours in create.. Well you're obviously not a spammer are you.
Wow, this definitely needs to be added. It could still be abused, but if they do end up allowing more levels posted, it should be based on time in create.

Also, does anyone think that the recent online issues may be related to this...?		2011-08-08 03:38:00

Author:
SSTAGG1
Posts: 1136

Also, does anyone think that the recent online issues may be related to this...?

Possible, but pretty unlikely. Companies don't usually schedule maintenance periods on a Sunday, cos they'd have to pay someone overtime, which they usually like to avoid.		2011-08-08 14:34:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

Your Moon isn't the issue here, we're talking about publishing spots on your Earth.
lol, ok, thanks for that >_< But why would they include more spots on your moon than you can fit on your earth?
EDIT: YAY MM knows! Doesn't really affect me, I don't have a SINGLE level published yet (but I will soon) but it's good to see that they are involved in the community.		2011-08-10 11:11:00

Author:
lbp2goty
Posts: 104

Some people use multiple levels on their moon to create one final product on their earth. For example, my current project has a style level where I tried out some materials, stickers and objects to get the basics for the look I wanted, a level where I created characters and custom stickers for them, a similar level for some objects, and the actual level. Plus a number of copies of them all. I had to move to a bigger crater at some point. 2011-08-10 11:36:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

I really hope they don't take the ability to have 20 more LBP2 levels published. I don't want LBP 1 levels. I would personally like a bigger moon though as i have already filled it with different projects and things. I create way to much thats the problem so the ability to have 40 published levels is really amazing.
If anything they should only prevent players publishing over the 40 levels mark with this glitch because as nice as it is to be able to build more we don't want it overly abused otherwise they will take the 40 limit away as well.		2011-08-12 23:42:00

Author:
Lordwarblade
Posts: 761

I really hope they don't take the ability to have 20 more LBP2 levels published. I don't want LBP 1 levels. I would personally like a bigger moon though as i have already filled it with different projects and things. I create way to much thats the problem so the ability to have 40 published levels is really amazing.
If anything they should only prevent players publishing over the 40 levels mark with this glitch because as nice as it is to be able to build more we don't want it overly abused otherwise they will take the 40 limit away as well.
Agreed. I hardly ever publish anything I make (though expect to see some of my failed projects up sometime soon, lordwarblade convinced me to put them up ), but if they allow us to use LBP1 slots in LBP2, that would be nice of them.

I'm wary of attempting this glitch, seeing as we don't know what will happen to levels posted beyond the limit. Would they remove the correct levels if the limit is fixed...?		2011-08-13 08:32:00

Author:
SSTAGG1
Posts: 1136

Yeah i agree with sstag, I would like to have the 20 level slots carry over from lbp1 and be usable for lbp2, they are now because of the glitch but it does make you doubt using them as MM could easily just erase or stricly enfore the 20 limit slots in any future update, I hope spaff or another molecule comes back and writes a reply to ease our worries 2011-08-14 00:33:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

It's offical, this trick gonna be patched tommorow durning server maintnece, levels that you published this way will stay ofcorse, just you wont be able to publish more

http://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/server_maintenance_tomorrow_fixes_incoming		2011-08-17 12:36:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

It's offical, this trick gonna be patched tommorow durning server maintnece, levels that you published this way will stay ofcorse, just you wont be able to publish more

http://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/server_maintenance_tomorrow_fixes_incoming

That Sucks. They go to the trouble of fixing a useful bug that as of yet seems not to hurt anything?
Yet there are other bugs that hurt the fun of the game far more yet they do nothing about it???
Like as a small example this> http://getsatisfaction.com/littlebigplanet/topics/_decoration_render_bug
That's just lame. Sorry but, I say if they have the time to fix This level slot bug then they should
be fixing far more other-things too, as right now it was not hurting anything...
maybe it could have later, but not as of yet... :/ *mew		2011-08-17 15:23:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

There is potential danger, there is possility to hijjack the cool pages ith it for example, then it wil ruin fun to anyone (and plz dont give me cool pages sux anyway crap ). Also i bet there as specific group of there programers that works specially for server software and network part of the game and it was there job to fix it not guys responcible for rendering.2011-08-17 16:24:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

There is potential danger, there is possility to hijjack the cool pages ith it for example,

How? This is not LBP1. nothing stays on cool pages for more then a week.		2011-08-17 16:38:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

How? This is not LBP1. nothing stays on cool pages for more then a week.

what about 100 level published in one hour?		2011-08-17 18:27:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

what about 100 level published in one hour?

I can already do that if I wanted to by making and using 10 PSNs.
Plus just because you upload a level don't mean they'll get on cool page
so chances are almost non of them 100 levels would get on cool page.

plus not even many people know about this level slot bug and
a lot who do know about it don't even care to try to use it.
*mew		2011-08-17 18:40:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

It's very easy to to jump higher on cool pages with help of bigger group, atleats lock buttom part of cool pages, where you just need araound 30 plays with perfect rate. And why help?

Anyway MM have reasons for limits or else they would not place them in first place since then it would be better for community		2011-08-17 22:06:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

mini server maintenance tomorrow - some fixed things!



Post by Spaff_Molecule




Hi there

Tomorrow morning (UK Time 9:00am) we will be taking the servers down for a short while to put some fixes in place!
When they go back up, which shouldn't take very long - maybe a couple of hours - you will find that:

- The text search will show LBP2 levels again (Yay!)
- The workaround that allows you to publish more than your allotted levels will no longer work, If you have more levels than you should, you'll find that you need to delete them before you can publish any more.

thanks! Yay!

Don't say we didn't warn you...

https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=61913-mini-server-maintenance-tomorrow-some-fixed-things! Well thats all my dreams of creation buggered. With the move kit coming out i have too many ideas and levels in the works. I am not the sort of person that only has one idea every month. I need the 20 lbp 1 level slots available for LBP 2.

I know i can just use another account but its not the same. I have already made another account called lordmechavile which is what i use as my Xbox profile name but i have already had a message from someone saying they don't like multiprofiles and if they ever go to my lordwarblade earth they will rate all my levels down because of it.
That is something i want to avoid.		2011-08-19 14:02:00

Author:
Lordwarblade
Posts: 761

.

My advice is this. Make a level hub on your main account
that link to any level on your other account, and at the end of every level
on this other account link back to your level hub,
There... Almost no-one will ever know
Also put in the info of level on the other account's levels they are by you.

At least this is what I'm gonna do once I have over 20 levels~ *mew		2011-08-19 16:12:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

So far i didnt seen anybody banned for alt account for extra levels, also if they would hate it they would not make DRM in way that i allows you to share stuff you buy2011-08-19 16:33:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

So MM is going to "fix" something that actually brings benefit to the players and (for what I read) isn't harmful to our data? It doesn't affect me much because I simply don't publish any stuff, but there are talented, prolific creators that could give this glitch a good use. Look at Comphermc's moon, for example. it's filled with levels. I guess he could just erase the less relevant LBP1 levels when the moon gets full, but if the game lasts the same as the first LBP even then the limittion could become a problem for him, if it hasn't already.

If someone didn't fill up their LBP1 slots, are they not entitled to the server space those slots were meant to occupy? And it's not like the lack of space concerns only level slots. Not having enough thermo and being forced to create sub levels has become common in LBP2 (sub levels take a slot, don't they? correct me if I'm wrong).
This is a good way to give dedicated creators more space for their awesome stuff, and no spammer kid would go beyond their slot limit because they're most aren't sufficiently informed about this exploit. Isn't this worth keeping unpatched just like the layer and theck/thack glitch?		2011-08-19 17:08:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

So MM is going to "fix" something that actually brings benefit to the players and (for what I read) isn't harmful to our data?

Well, it was "fixed" yesterday. : /		2011-08-19 17:49:00

Author:
ConverseFox
Posts: 2333

I just like to know why we most be limited to 20?
what's up with that number anyways? what does it have to do with anything?

why not 50? 50 be much better to give us~ ya know...
so we could make our own story mode as long as LBP1 if wanted~
2011-08-19 18:01:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Few possible reasons was already told here ^^'2011-08-19 18:05:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Few possible reasons was already told here ^^'

Pretty sure them reasons never made sense. 		2011-08-19 18:12:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

If they raise the cap to 50, that's 30 extra spam levels for everyone.....yay......? Absolutely not.

The majority of people I notice that have hit their creating cap are those that put little effort into them and just spam them. I don't mean to be mean against the better creators, but I'd rather limit the spam than allow some people to post more of their creations.		2011-08-19 18:54:00

Author:
SSTAGG1
Posts: 1136

If they raise the cap to 50, that's 30 extra spam levels for everyone.....yay......? Absolutely not.

The majority of people I notice that have hit their creating cap are those that put little effort into them and just spam them. I don't mean to be mean against the better creators, but I'd rather limit the spam than allow some people to post more of their creations.

a 20 limit don't stop anyone from spamming by creating another PSN
your point don't work at all.

so again I have yet to see a good reason why the limit is the number 20~		2011-08-19 19:07:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

It's like piracy and DRM, people say that DRM is not needed because every think gets cracke in weeks and people who want pirate is will pirate everyone who buy will buy, truth is if DRM will gone anyone will be free to copy and play games and there wont be point of buying because you will be able to get game because it will be so easy to copy it and even casuals would be doing, so proceder would increse. Same goes with level slots, it's pain to run 2 accounts at same time so you dont see much people makeing 10 accounts to just spam, it reduce amount of preceder

No to mention space nd disk costs and they need to control amount of data flowing in so they can manage upgradeing and reduce the cost, and they set 20 slot because they used math to calculate how much slot give to player so disk wont run out quick, so lets count

-Level can have even be 800k, there are even larger sizes, and we got 5mil levels now so

800.000 * 5.000.000 = 4.000.000.000.000 = 4TB

So yea it's no so small amount of data and they probably mirroring that data for backup

Thy got there reason for the limits, if they could they would dont put limit at all, MM is this kind of company that makes easy to the player. You guys also have no idea about servers at all, this might be reason why you guys don't understand 		2011-08-19 20:15:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

a 20 limit don't stop anyone from spamming by creating another PSN
your point don't work at all.

so again I have yet to see a good reason why the limit is the number 20~

With the exact same thinking, what stops a decent creator from doing the same thing? If I wanted another PSN account I'd go get one. :I
Your point dunt work neithurz.

You can't argue that the spammy group has infinite slots without also taking into consideration decent creators can do the same.

TBH, up until now, I've been a little unsure where I stood on the issue, but having read the thread, I feel I'd side with the pro 20-levels-only group.
I'd perhaps be willing to pay ?5 for an extra 10 slots or whatever, in a year or so if the opportunity arose, but for now, the cap is fine, and mandatory.		2011-08-19 20:42:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

Simple fix give us a level upgrade kit. Make us pay to have ten more usable spaces on our earths.

Now before you all start complaining saying thats ridiculus and why would i spend that money for something that should be free. Well look at it this way if i am willing to spend $9.95 on the final fantasy costume kit then why wouldn't i spend say 4 to 5 bucks on ten new spaces for my earth. I love to create and don't want to be limited so i am willing to do that.

I honestly don't think many spammers will be willing to pay to make more crappy spam levels.

If this idea is stupid (Which i know it is ) then why don't they just give us 20 more spaces or so each with the move kit.



Edit: Ostler5000 just beat me with what i was saying first.		2011-08-19 20:47:00

Author:
Lordwarblade
Posts: 761

Haha. I noticed I beat you to it. Just.

Given I said the same thing, I 'spose it's pretty obvious I don't think it's a stupid idea. You get what you pay for. Want extra slots? Pay the money. Don't pay, no extra slots. Simple. Get it or shut up.
Assuming it would work, that is, I don't see any reason for MM/Sony not to do it when the time is right. Of course, there's always the fear that they could get greedy. If they see people willing to pay for slots now, who knows what they could start doing. Monthly payments for extra slots? Ha. No thanks, Sony.
(Although, in fairness, that's unlikely given it could have nasty consequences for a largely community driven game)


Also, I was kind of thinking the same thing in regards to spammers not paying the money. I get that money does not work like people often think it does, in that it stops idiots from doing things. No, idiots and kiddies have monies too. Amazingly.
However, I do agree that it might make them question whether they were really utilising the slots they had for something worthwhile or not. But even then, it would likely only be a small fraction of the community.		2011-08-19 21:00:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

a 20 limit don't stop anyone from spamming by creating another PSN
your point don't work at all.

so again I have yet to see a good reason why the limit is the number 20~
...

You DO realize it takes a while to create a new account and sign up, complete the first chapter, and then post 20 levels. I doubt many people WANT to spam levels that way, it's just annoying.

If you give the option to post more levels, people will do so. If posting more levels means additional work besides simply choosing the publish option, you're not going to get many takers.

There's a difference between 'spammers' and 'bad creators', nearly all of what we consider spam is just 'bad creators'.

Those people that we say are spamming levels probably don't think they themselves are posting spam. They probably think they made an honest attempt to make a level. Because of this, they're not going to go out of their way to make another account just to post levels, but if you simply give them the option to post more, of course they're going to take it.

Also, how many people do you know that have made another account and posted an additional 20 levels. Compare that to the number of people that have a single account and posted 20 levels. Raising the limit is obviously going to result in more spam...

I fail to see how this is not a good reason...

EDIT: Wow, missed the last 3 posts. Paying for additional levels slots sounds like a great solution.		2011-08-19 22:08:00

Author:
SSTAGG1
Posts: 1136

Your point dunt work neithurz.


well my point did work to be honest.
We all already know we can make other accounts to get more levels.
but my point was why are we limited to 20? why that number?
we can spam with 20 or make 20 good levels both ways.
and we can still make another account to do one or the other.
making it 20 instead of 50 don't change that.

I see the point in the limit is so people don't go crazy and make 100s of levels without limit.
but why as small as 20?


...

You DO realize it takes a while to create a new account and sign up, complete the first chapter, and then post 20 levels.
I doubt many people WANT to spam levels that way.
If you give the option to post more levels, people will do so..
It don't take very long to make more accounts.
one of my friends owns over 10.
and spammers do go to the trouble of making other accounts to spam.
I've seen it.

And No. just because you give people more room don't mean they'll all use it.
sure some would but I've look at most people who have spam
and they don't even have 20 levels.
almost all people on cool page don't got more then 15 levels.
the Spam we get on this game is most of the time not by 1 or 2 people using all their level slots.
it's many MANY people together spamming. *mew

PS: Yes. us paying for more slots would be fine IMO.		2011-08-19 22:11:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

It don't take very long to make more accounts.

...but I've look at most people who have spam
and they don't even have 20 levels.

These 2 extracts from your post... You're either not very observant, or you're being disingenuous. However, I'm not going to dwell on that, it's not really relevant.

You say you're in favour of the level cap to stop people going overboard, but then you complain 'Why 20?'
Exactly what would you up the level cap to? And why that number?

Surely 20 was picked because it made sense to someone who knew about the servers and how much they could take. Aswell as to stop 1 account uploading an infinite number of levels. I think that's really the best explaination for 20 you'll get, TBH.		2011-08-19 22:39:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

These 2 extracts from your post... You're either not very observant, or you're being disingenuous.

Taking two different lines of things I said that were talking about different things don't mean anything.
And I see no point on how it helps your point in any form.

And see you? you have no idea why the limit is 20.
and making guesses don't change that.
*mew



what would you up the level cap to? And why that number?
50 because it's the same number of levels story mode has, simple as that.

But to be honest this whole argument is pointless.
MM have already fixed it. it's time to just get over it and let it go.
All I wanted to know was why the limit was 20. simple as that.
and I'm not interested in hearing guess work about it.		2011-08-19 22:43:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Taking two different lines of things I said that were talking about different things don't mean anything.
And I see no point on how it helps your point in any form.

It doesn't. It just illustrates that I get the impression you're bending truths and making things up to help your point.


And see you? you have no idea why the limit is 20.
and making guesses don't change that.
*mew
I'll tell you, I appear to have a greater baring than you do, sunshine. And making blunt, rude or snotty remarks doesn't make you right. Sadly, many of your posts on this site seem like you're not aware of this.


50 because it's the same number of levels story mode has, simple as that.

TBH, I'd like that. Can't picture it happening, nor do I think it would be practical or realistic for the entire community. But personally, I can totally agree.		2011-08-19 22:51:00

Author:
Ostler5000
Posts: 1017

It doesn't. It just illustrates that I get the impression you're bending truths and making things up to help your point.


I'll tell you, I appear to have a greater baring than you do, sunshine. And making blunt, rude or snotty remarks doesn't make you right. Sadly, many of your posts on this site seem like you're not aware of this.


Ah edited something at the end of my post before I saw you posted~

And I love how people call me rude or annoying just because I argue with them~
And tossing random rude remarks at me is suppose to do what again?

And so your saying I'm not right because you say I'm not?
Whoa! I had no idea I was talking to someone who is ALWAYS RIGHT~
clearly I should have gave up from the start as I could never hope to be right, like lovely & kind o you <3

But all joking aside, trying to get me angry won't get you anywhere.
and I'm pretty sure I was not being rude to anyone here~
unless you count not just believing everyone who says they are right and I'm not, rude?

But Enough of this and this silly argument. Who cares? The limit is 20 again.
Just gotta deal with it man.
*mew		2011-08-19 23:04:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

TBH, I'd actually like to see the level cap dropped instead of raised.
+ Encourage better quality creations overall
+ Encourage cooperation between players to create things (so you could indirectly 'post' more levels)
+ Easier to find decent levels
+ Reduce spam (it IS a hassle to make new accounts, even if it is slight, and isn't there a limit to how many users you can have on a PS3?)
+ Less load on the server (not sure exactly how it works, but it'd probably be an improvement)

- Fewer creations allowed to be published

This, in addition to level slots you could buy, I think would make for a better LBP experience IMO.

Sure, it wouldn't go well with everyone, and I've even got a few friends that wouldn't like this, but LBP online is ruined for me. I never play levels anymore unless I find them on the forum or through my friends. The sole reason for this is I have yet to find a random level I liked.		2011-08-19 23:45:00

Author:
SSTAGG1
Posts: 1136

Nah 20 for good creator2011-08-19 23:48:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

I know why Mm didn't allow more levels, Stephen Fry wouldn't come back to redo the voiceover saying we have only 20 level slots to use, blame Stephen not Mm 2011-08-20 00:10:00

Author:
damaz10
Posts: 771

Unless there's a new way to go beyond 20 again...
shouldn't this topic be close or given a new name?
because it is pretty Null and void now~ :0
*mew		2011-08-20 01:39:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Arghh **** they fixed it?! I had this massive project and I was gonna need more slots. But I guess they did what they had too, they're a generous dev that do give a lot of stuff away.2011-08-20 03:35:00

Author:
clarkdef
Posts: 138

Make PSN account for it 2011-08-20 03:40:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Unless there's a new way to go beyond 20 again...
shouldn't this topic be close or given a new name?
because it is pretty Null and void now~ :0
*mew

Well, a new glitch with the same result could arise. But this time we'll create a secret Brotherhood of the Slots so people can exceed the limits without fear of the all-powerful MM's wrath smiting them 		2011-08-20 03:51:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

TBH, I'd actually like to see the level cap dropped instead of raised.
+ Encourage better quality creations overall
+ Encourage cooperation between players to create things (so you could indirectly 'post' more levels)
+ Easier to find decent levels
+ Reduce spam (it IS a hassle to make new accounts, even if it is slight, and isn't there a limit to how many users you can have on a PS3?)
+ Less load on the server (not sure exactly how it works, but it'd probably be an improvement)

- Fewer creations allowed to be published

This, in addition to level slots you could buy, I think would make for a better LBP experience IMO.

Sure, it wouldn't go well with everyone, and I've even got a few friends that wouldn't like this, but LBP online is ruined for me. I never play levels anymore unless I find them on the forum or through my friends. The sole reason for this is I have yet to find a random level I liked.

If i could buy level slots then yes this would be a great idea. Just the other day i noticed there were 3 levels in the cool pages exactly the same i went to the guys earth and noticed for every level he had made there were at least four copies all with the same name without any indication they were different.

I do make too many levels TBH but i do also think they are reasonably good. So less then 20 level slots would be tragic for me really.


Sure, it wouldn't go well with everyone, and I've even got a few friends that wouldn't like this, but LBP online is ruined for me. I never play levels anymore unless I find them on the forum or through my friends. The sole reason for this is I have yet to find a random level I liked.

This is the same for me. One reason for me though is all the crap levels that have more plays then mine or anyone else i know. Theres one zombie level i played that was horrible but within two days because it had Call of Duty in the name it got hundreads of plays and likes. I have seen so many better zombie levels on this forum that are struggling to get past 100 plays. It puts me off.		2011-08-20 11:10:00

Author:
Lordwarblade
Posts: 761


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