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How old is too old?

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Hey there, just last night, I was arguing with a (now) ex-friend. A little way into the argument, he said to me;


"Your so immature, your 16 and your playing a 7+ Cartoony game,looooooooooool"

Now, this kind of got me riled, but also thinking, how old is too old to play a game such as LBP? I know that many of the best creators are well into their adult lives and still play such a game. I think LBP has too much prejudice due to the way that it looks. Many people see sackboy and think "Oh, that's a kiddie game" or something along those lines. If this game had the exact physics and features, but was more 'grown up' it would be ever so popular among adults who don't want to be seen playing a 'kiddie's game' Although that would mean the game would lose it's charm.

I personally think, as long as you're having fun, it shouldn't matter. Whats your opinion?

Also, this kid (12 years old) also plays MW2, but only when his mum is out, how young is too young to play a game such as MW2 or similar?		2011-07-02 10:27:00

Author:
Bang126
Posts: 157

Hey there, just last night, I was arguing with a (now) ex-friend. A little way into the argument, he said to me;


"Your so immature, your 16 and your playing a 7+ Cartoony game,looooooooooool"

Now, this kind of got me riled, but also thinking, how old is too old to play a game such as LBP? I know that many of the best creators are well into their adult lives and still play such a game. I think LBP has too much prejudice due to the way that it looks. Many people see sackboy and think "Oh, that's a kiddie game" or something along those lines. If this game had the exact physics and features, but was more 'grown up' it would be ever so popular among adults who don't want to be seen playing a 'kiddie's game' Although that would mean the game would lose it's charm.

I personally think, as long as you're having fun, it shouldn't matter. Whats your opinion?

Also, this kid (12 years old) also plays MW2, but only when his mum is out, how young is too young to play a game such as MW2 or similar?


Many people can't see the clear distinction between immature and appropriate for a younger audience

Something which is appropriate for a younger audience means that it doesn't have any adult topics or include anything that a child shouldn't see. It is however, whether it's a video game, book, film, still perfectly appropriate for an older audience. Some good examples are Pixar films, and video games like Ratchet and Clank, and of course LBP.

Something which is immature is aimed directly at a younger audience, or just immature people in general! It could include toilet humour or other immature features that most adults (and more mature people) wouldn't want to watch/play/read. You know the sort - "girls are disgusting and farts are funny". I can't think of many examples as I try to avoid these films but Disaster Movie comes to mind.

There's nothing immature about playing a game that's also suitable for kids. Anyone who thinks that is just plain ignorant!

A form of media shouldn't need sex, swearing and gore to make it appropriate for an older audience
That would just be silly 		2011-07-02 11:29:00

Author:
DaSpoony
Posts: 191

People are just to easy at judging, just because a game has a nice, colorful artstyle doesn't mean it's an kids game.
One friend of mine throught this about LBP too, then i showed him the game, and he fell in love with it and bought it the day after.

LittleBigPlanet has no age restrictions, you can be 90 years old, but as long as you love creating levels, playing, who cares?
It allows you to play with your imagination, something most games of today don't. (Hello Call of Duty!)		2011-07-02 12:02:00

Author:
Flame Dragon
Posts: 312

I'd have to check, but I think I turn 30 this year.

I should add that I have a 'normal' life outside of this game... as in I don't live in my parent's basement.		2011-07-02 12:19:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

I think a few years after you die is a little too old but other then that it doesn't matter. There are a lot of people that play all the time with there whole family2011-07-02 13:31:00

Author:
Zero10100
Posts: 385

farts are funny

Heh, I'm pushing 40, and I still think farts are funny.

On to the topic. There really is no age limit IMO. If you like a game, play it. It doesn't matter what other people think about what you play, or don't. You really shouldn't let it bother you. I've always been a big fan of Mario games, and they're no joke. Just because they look cartoony, doesn't mean they weren't intended for people of all ages.

As for the COD age limit. To me the same kinda applies. Some 12 year olds are much more mature than others, so I think some can handle that sort of content better than others. Ultimately it should be up to the parents.		2011-07-02 16:11:00

Author:
smasher
Posts: 641

yes, this is what i believe too, i have a life outside of LBP although i do spend a lot of time on it. Just recently i completed my GCSE's, and during that period where i had to revise, i would come off lbp and do that before i returned. I am not consumed by games, i just enjoy them!2011-07-02 16:31:00

Author:
Bang126
Posts: 157

Well you wont help it that LBP2 looks like game for kids at first look instead a agueing you should show him more mature levels2011-07-02 16:32:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Hey there, just last night, I was arguing with a (now) ex-friend. A little way into the argument, he said to me;


"Your so immature, your 16 and your playing a 7+ Cartoony game,looooooooooool"

Now, this kind of got me riled, but also thinking, how old is too old to play a game such as LBP? I know that many of the best creators are well into their adult lives and still play such a game. I think LBP has too much prejudice due to the way that it looks. Many people see sackboy and think "Oh, that's a kiddie game" or something along those lines. If this game had the exact physics and features, but was more 'grown up' it would be ever so popular among adults who don't want to be seen playing a 'kiddie's game' Although that would mean the game would lose it's charm.

I personally think, as long as you're having fun, it shouldn't matter. Whats your opinion?

Also, this kid (12 years old) also plays MW2, but only when his mum is out, how young is too young to play a game such as MW2 or similar?

i'm 53!! i love LBP2 and want to be 16 again		2011-07-02 16:39:00

Author:
GribbleGrunger
Posts: 3910

Well you wont help it that LBP2 looks like game for kids at first look instead a agueing you should show him more mature levels

Yes, i know and i don't want it to change. Yeah, i love those really deep films. (Figment by ladylyn1) Brilliant fillm!


i'm 53!! i love LBP2 and want to be 16 again

Isn't it strange how young people want to be older, and old(er) people want to be younger!! I just want to stay the age am I, but with the added ability to drive, and possibly drink, however not together 		2011-07-02 16:53:00

Author:
Bang126
Posts: 157

Well, I'm in the Air Force, have a wife and kids, and have other Air Force buddies who play LBP. Either way, playing MW2 doesn't make you an adult. Getting a job, moving out of your parents house and making a contribution to society does. He's hardly is in a position to judge maturity.

In my experience, a game is a game. And immaturity is not regulated to age, and is inherent in all games.		2011-07-02 17:02:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

As they say...... you're only as old as you feel.

I'm 25 now, and have no plans to give up videogames. They're a nice bit of escapism from the troubles of everyday life. It's comforting to know that, after a hard days work, I can come home and jump around like an idiot, and zap a shed load of stuff on inFamous 2, or turn on LBP and exercise my creative skills, and marvel at the creative skills of others.

We live in a new modern era. Videogame players are no longer conform to the socially inept (male) nerd stereotype, and are enjoyed by all ages and all genders.

LPB is the type of game that makes you smile with it's humour and simplicity. It's not a kiddy game, it's only "kiddy-like" in the way it looks. But in terms of the gameplay, you have platforming action, complex logic, a whole range of gameplay mechanics etc etc.... not exacty kiddy-like.
Someone above mentioned the Pixar films. You'd be hard pressed to find an adult that didn't enjoy Toy Story 3.

To the OP: You should let your (ex) friend actually play the game. Show him some of the awesome levels online. See if he changes his tone!		2011-07-02 17:05:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

I love LBP mainly because it lets out my creative juices, i've never been good at drawing, music etc.. Also, i LOVE logic, i am a very logical thinking guy (which explains why i suck at drawing) so doing logic within LBP is soo much fun And the 'eureka' moment you get when it all working. i love it!2011-07-02 17:11:00

Author:
Bang126
Posts: 157

Maybe I'm not the best to say because I've always have done only what I wanted
and never listen to others opinions when it comes to how I live my life.
But I never believed There's a Age limit to playing Non Adult games.
If you like something why does anyone else's opinions matter?
I still play Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Sonic, Whatever.
It never even crosses my mind some people think these games are for kids.

If you enjoy something there is no point
in stop enjoying it. if it's good it's good, enough said. People who try to say it's a kids game
and tell you why are you playing it, are trying to control you and how you live.
Don't even think of a bit what they say matter whatsoever.

*mew		2011-07-02 20:19:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I find it annoying when people say that LBP is immature before they even try it. Just because it doesn't have guns and guts flying all over the place all the time doesn't make it immature. But all that matters is that you enjoy it. It's your life, not anyone else's.2011-07-03 00:46:00

Author:
ADS_LEGEND
Posts: 140

Anyone over the age of 4 who plays this is a baby.

Or... gah, can't think of something clever no, wait, I got one! ... No, that's not funny at all. Eh.

/insert funny joke here		2011-07-03 02:07:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Honestly, not much I can say that hasnt been said. But really, there are no aspects whatsoever about LittlebigPlanet that are suitable for only a child, except for sackboy, and even he isnt that childish.


Anyone over the age of 4 who plays this is a baby.

Or... gah, can't think of something clever no, wait, I got one! ... No, that's not funny at all. Eh.

/insert funny joke here

That is the best post Ive ever seen.		2011-07-03 02:57:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

Why, because there's no blood, swears or nudity? People who think violence only for the sake of violence is adult and mature can't be too far from being childish and immature themselves. If anyone needs any proof, get into an online game of Call of Duty or Halo and enjoy listening the pre-teen kids shouting about what they supposedly did to your mother last night.

Zelda, LBP, Mario... I consider them the videogame equivalents of Pixar movies. Sure, kids enjoy them, but not even adults can resist their charm.		2011-07-03 02:58:00

Author:
SnipySev
Posts: 2452

i have a friend thats 24 so you can bs him about that 2011-07-03 03:11:00

Author:
Unknown User

I thought i was the oldest person playing, so glad to see i'm not. I'm 34. I was just telling a friend the other day that I don't think that littlebigplanet is for kids at all. sure it looks like 10 years old made but that's what is appealing to me. All Day long I do adult things. I work and do what other people tell me to do all day. I pay the bills and wash the clothes and make sure the kids are clean and ready for bed. but after bed time, I get a little of the childhood (that I rushed through) back. I can make things I never could in real life and like that 50 year old sack on the last page said, I too still giggle at farts. Except I can make something fart on command. I say to SACK with non LBP players who think you are childish for playing a game with sack puppet, TO SACK I SAY. For those few hours I bend and stretch my mind in ways I never got from TV. (I stopped watching TV a few years ago when I bought LBP.. Coincidence? I think not.) If not for LBP, I would be left up to my own devices and probably drinking myself to sleep while watching reruns of Happy Days or something. LBP = Best Game Ever <32011-07-03 03:34:00

Author:
tabycatmeow
Posts: 52

Stiff pistons is a kiddie level? >2011-07-03 04:02:00

Author:
iBubek
Posts: 682

I don't think anyone can be considered too old for a game like this, especially given some of the more complex creation tools involved, like the advanced logic that some of the community members make. What little kid would have been able to figure something like that out? This game was intentionally developed to appeal to people of all ages.2011-07-03 04:13:00

Author:
Unknown User

Just because it doesn't have guns

Of course there is guns on LBP, even First person shooters 0.o You can do anything on LittleBigplanet!		2011-07-03 04:34:00

Author:
Sport_dude
Posts: 622

I remember I was talking to my friend about LBP, then some random kid butted into the conversation saying "EWW LITTLEBIGPLANET STOP PLAYING YOUR KIDDIE GAMES AND BE A REAL MAN AND PLAY CALL OF DUTY" then his mom pulled him away. You know you just gotta hate how these kids are spoiled with these games, and think all games should be like them, and if it isn't the same, it's for "kids".2011-07-03 14:52:00

Author:
lemurboy12
Posts: 842

When I was I kid I was nutty for Lego. Had time off work and visited my niece and nephews and spent the time playing lego. Still awesome!

Not as capable as meeting my creative needs as it was when younger. The logic of LBP is really interesting to me. As mentioned it's a complex puzzle and the eureka moment is where it's at!		2011-07-04 08:23:00

Author:
Mr_Fusion
Posts: 1799

I dont think any age is too old for any video game, I'll be playing video games until I'm dead.2011-07-04 08:27:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

Its rated for ages 10 and up not 10 - 12, he probably was talking out of anger, people really try to cheap shot whichever way tehy can when angry, but I'm pretty sure there's something he likes tha can also be considered "kiddie" by others, yet again anything can be considered as such, just depends on the individual, so i wouldn't really worry or care for someone's opinion on the matter.

Too old?
Naw, too old is when YOU feel you're too old to do so, not when others tell you to.		2011-07-04 09:55:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I'm a responsible 41 year old, who loves blowing people's heads off in MW or any other FPS. LBP and LBP2 are pretty much the only other games I play. Your (ex)friend's viewpoint is typical of many kids that age. It's a time for questioning other people and being influenced by other kid's who he might find to be in the "cool crowd". Often people with this attitude are too insecure to form their own opinions and stick to them... often easily swayed by others. This might be the case with this person. Either way, there are no rules that we have to stick to when deciding what we think is a fun game to play.2011-07-04 21:37:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

I reckon any much older than 18 is too old.

If you're still playing video games after that, then you're obviously a total loser and you need to get a life.		2011-07-04 22:04:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I reckon any much older than 18 is too old.

If you're still playing video games after that, then you're obviously a total loser and you need to get a life.

Ungreath? aren't you older than 18?		2011-07-04 22:11:00

Author:
Seveni_7
Posts: 109

Ungreath? aren't you older than 18?

I don't know where you got that idea from Seveani_7. I'm only three years old.

Now suck on my rusk before I bite your ankles! 		2011-07-04 22:23:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

My (also ex) friend said that LBP was childish, I could understand why he'd think that judging by the aesthetics. Then he called Uncharted 2 childish, and only then did I get a bit peed off. He adores CoD and Halo, the only non-violent game he'll play is FIFA. In simplicity, he's a really intelligent guy, just has no maturity and/or common sense. Meh, you get people like that sometimes. Anyway, back to the point, there's no age limit on fun. It's just pure opinion, so don't listen to anyone who's being a killjoy and saying that a game is babyish, because that's their life to live, not yours. I've been playing 18+ games since I turned 14 (the really graphic stuff like Killzone 3) and I'm fine. But then again, I'm extremely mature for a 14 year old (I think, well, compared to most kids my age anyway), so to summarize: there is no age limit, certainly not physically anyway (until about 70/80 when you can't hold a controller anymore). 2011-07-05 00:47:00

Author:
abyssalassassin
Posts: 717

I'm 43... Probably too old for this game. However, I prefer games without the graphic violence. LBP has been something I've been able to sha with my son over the past few years. Great stuff!2011-07-05 00:54:00

Author:
CCubbage
Posts: 4430

Yeah, considering how immature CoD & Halo lobbies are - just chock-a-block full of screaming children.
And most of the LBP creators are 20/30 something... I doubt little kids could make half of the incredibly creative stuff that the community has made.

Adults are just kids who've been around a bit longer 		2011-07-05 01:30:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Aye, but wasn't it also adults that MADE the game? Just a little point...2011-07-05 01:31:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

Aye, but wasn't it also adults that MADE the game? Just a little point...

Well, adults make almost everything, adults make everything that's for kids usually, stuff like baby bottles, definitely not for adults.

But LBP is not JUST for kids like those things tend to be.		2011-07-05 01:45:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

Aye, but wasn't it also adults that MADE the game? Just a little point...

Yes otherwise it'd be called child labor and whoever made them do it be arrested. xD
(Either that or they alone may not be able to manage this or manage to get contracted by anyone at that mater.)		2011-07-05 02:40:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Yes otherwise it'd be called child labor and whoever made them do it be arrested. xD
(Either that or they alone may not be able to manage this or manage to get contracted by anyone at that mater.)

YEAH! Most people will not enter into contracts with a minor, because a minor can legally back out of any contract for no reason. That a big risk for a company to make. Kids can't run multi-million dollar corprations, that's for ADULTS!		2011-07-05 03:05:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

Well LBP like all video games are just a form of entertainment. Like books and movies.
It's just a game. If old people play Chess, then it should be fine for them to play video games. Because they are the same.		2011-07-05 03:43:00

Author:
DarrienEven
Posts: 217

Notice it was a 16 year old (a child) - that brought up the issue of age?
All they were doing was demonstrating their immaturity		2011-07-05 03:46:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

You guys replies made me laugh. Yeah, it is true that everything is made by adults, I just don't understand people making fun of other people because of the game they play, but I guess that is just life, right?2011-07-05 03:58:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

I feel sorry for people that can't see past the 'cutesy' graphics of LBP and dismiss it as a kids game.

They're the ones missing out 		2011-07-05 04:00:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

I don't know where you got that idea from Seveani_7. I'm only three years old.

Now suck on my rusk before I bite your ankles!

Hey! Who would make a black white coffe place with elvis presley singing? Which aren't coming from his time?
Otherwise are you to old for your time Hehe..		2011-07-05 06:41:00

Author:
Seveni_7
Posts: 109

You don't stop playing games because you get old. You get old because you stop playing games.2011-07-05 07:52:00

Author:
Jaeyden
Posts: 564

You don't stop playing games because you get old. You get old because you stop playing games.
I'm probably going to use this as a quote, just don't know when or where.		2011-07-05 08:07:00

Author:
SSTAGG1
Posts: 1136

Notice it was a 16 year old (a child) - that brought up the issue of age?
All they were doing was demonstrating their immaturity

If your talking about me, what the hell. I'm with all these replies you guys are giving, if you're talking about the ex-friend, he's roughly 12. Also, i'm not immature, in fact i'm quite mature, i'm not a little brat whose ruining their lives by being spoiled, and taking god knows what to reduce my lifespan.		2011-07-05 09:30:00

Author:
Bang126
Posts: 157

LBP2 is like the Youtube of the gaming world.

People who aren't really familiar with Youtube would probably associate it with videos of dogs, cats, babies and people falling over (Not that there's anything wrong with them). However, if you dig a little deeper, you can find genuinely funny, clever and informative videos that people have put so much time and effort in to making. If you are so inclined, you can publish anything you want too. LittleBigPlanet is no different.		2011-07-05 15:43:00

Author:
Rhys125
Posts: 841

If your talking about me, what the hell. I'm with all these replies you guys are giving, if you're talking about the ex-friend, he's roughly 12. Also, i'm not immature, in fact i'm quite mature, i'm not a little brat whose ruining their lives by being spoiled, and taking god knows what to reduce my lifespan.
12. That explains a lot. Hypocrite that kid is.		2011-07-05 16:58:00

Author:
GameRoom
Posts: 200

I am 30 and I play LBP2 and I love it. I don't care what anyone else says. I like it because it is different (too many shooters and unoriginal games, its nice to see something that is original) and also because I can publish my own creations. LBP2 unlike most modern video games, inspires creativity and I like that. Lastly, every game don't need violence, blood, and guts to be awesome. 2011-07-05 17:31:00

Author:
Godzilla
Posts: 224

shoot, my dad is in his 60's and still plays video games, LBP included. I play lots of different genres and love LBP. As long as you have fun playing it, it doesn't matter what your age is.2011-07-05 17:37:00

Author:
biorogue
Posts: 8424

Do you remember when ppl on the NEWS were saying that if you were 18+ and played Animal Crossing that you were a p3d0? I'm guessing that's how ppl feel about adults playing LBP.2011-07-05 21:46:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

Do you remember when ppl on the NEWS were saying that if you were 18+ and played Animal Crossing that you were a p3d0? I'm guessing that's how ppl feel about adults playing LBP.

I think the general media is inadvertently biased to the video game industry as a whole. 		2011-07-05 21:57:00

Author:
abyssalassassin
Posts: 717

That's why I always laugh at people who go out for a walk, like, a 3-year old kid could do that too, right? That's like soooooo immature to go out for a walk.



2011-07-05 21:59:00

Author:
Saku401
Posts: 83

Your "friend" was proving how immature he was just by making that comment. Tell him just because a little 12 year old can play MW2 it doesn't make him mature.

BTW I'm 23, I have a baby, and I have no plans to stop gaming.		2011-07-05 22:16:00

Author:
Krondelo
Posts: 136

I think the general media is inadvertently biased to the video game industry as a whole.

The media just thinks video games are for kids, period. They may accept adults playing CoD, but anything else is ONLY FOR LITTLE KIDS!!!!111!!!one!!		2011-07-05 22:44:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

The media just thinks video games are for kids, period. They may accept adults playing CoD, but anything else is ONLY FOR LITTLE KIDS!!!!111!!!one!!
That's basically it. There isn't any real way to change people narrow minded opinions... so just ignore. Like you'd ignore that annoying crying baby at Denny's		2011-07-05 22:49:00

Author:
Captain_Dinosaur
Posts: 214

The thing about comebacks is that you always think of them hours or even months after the person says it. You should have said this:

"Your so immature, your 16 and your playing a 7+ Cartoony game,looooooooooool"
"And you're 12 and playing a 17+ shooting game! We're all so out of place!"		2011-07-05 23:13:00

Author:
GameRoom
Posts: 200

I just show them what I make (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw9tSSE-6Q) as a counter argument. Then they call me a liar as well.2011-07-06 00:06:00

Author:
Antikris
Posts: 1340

I've been called a P3do by little snotrags playing games before when they find out my age, and start taunting me. It's pretty sad really. The little punks ought to be thankful for people my age, because it's MY generation of people who played the first video games ever (yes, I had Pong, Intelevision, etc.), embraced them, and got into the field of making them for others to enjoy. If anyone "owns" the right to play video games it's us old timers. 2011-07-06 00:12:00

Author:
Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

A wise man once said:


Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.		2011-07-06 01:09:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

The majority of people over 40 dont understand video games since they didnt grow up with them, so their opinion on video games is invalid. You are never too old for LBP, and never too young for shooters.

16 is not a kid. Puberty = Adult
You dont need to be mature to be an adult.
If you think parents should have the choice not let their kid play shooters because they are too violent, you are too old.
If you disagree with the above statements and think that parents are entitled to control their kids life, you are too old and also not competant enough to be a parent.		2011-07-06 01:46:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

...If you disagree with the above statements and think that parents are entitled to control their kids life, you are too old and also not competant enough to be a parent.

While you certainly have the right to your opinion, you do not have the right to tell me how to raise my child.

Furthermore, just because you grow some hair "down there" doesn't mean you're able to behave and reason as a mature, responsible adult. You seem to be splicing the legal and common definitions of the word. You claim that a 16-year-old is "not a kid," yet here in the U.S. you have to be 18 to vote and 21 to drink. You also say that an adult need not be "mature," yet that word is at the core of its biological definition. It is the stage in one's life where they have surpassed all others, when they have reached both the biological and legally responsible criteria needed to act as a functional, reasoning adult.

I've seen plenty of "adults" acting worse than my two year old daughter at her worst, and I've seen some "kids" acting with the grace and maturity of someone 10 times their age. Perceptions of age and maturity are truly in the eye of the beholder.

Lastly, the media to which a child is exposed should be left to the discretion of the parent. That doesn't make me "old," that makes me open-minded. If your parents allowed you to play Splatterhouse at age 2, I wouldn't tell them they were wrong (even though I would think it.) Granted, I would also think they would have a good head start on creating a potential sociopath, but that's just me. 		2011-07-06 15:24:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

The majority of people over 40 dont understand video games since they didnt grow up with them, so their opinion on video games is invalid. You are never too old for LBP, and never too young for shooters.

16 is not a kid. Puberty = Adult
You dont need to be mature to be an adult.
If you think parents should have the choice not let their kid play shooters because they are too violent, you are too old.
If you disagree with the above statements and think that parents are entitled to control their kids life, you are too old and also not competant enough to be a parent.

I'm pretty sure parents are entitled to raise their kid however they please. If kids were given free choice, there would be no such thing as child labor laws, nor any laws protecting children really. If kids could do everything they wanted more than half of them would be dead in a week, or worse. I wanted to do a LOT of stupid things as a kid that my parents had to pull me away from. I would have jumped off a roof or something, you know why? Because kids brains haven't developed enough to comprehend that kind of dangerous outcome. You can't leave kids to their own devices, and you also can't expect to control how other people raise their kids.

I don't have kids of my own, but the last thing I want is to be bothered by a bunch of undisciplined kids. As long as parents aren't neglecting or abusing their kids, whatever they do is fine with me. And just because i feel this way, I don't think I'm "too old," I just don't want to live in a world even crappier than the one we live in now.		2011-07-07 11:03:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

Contrarywise, I think there is a TOO YOUNG to play LBP limit. It is when you are h4h years old. Grow up, and play some LBP. (turning 20 this year btw)2011-07-07 13:09:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

I personally think that you should not let anyone limit your happieness. You can choose to play LBP or not, just don't let any one else choose for you or you will sped your etire life running away.2011-07-07 13:25:00

Author:
lark98-2
Posts: 116

You're never too old to express your creativity.2011-07-08 02:04:00

Author:
xero
Posts: 2419

Its sackboy that makes the game look like its for younger kids. you could say it isnt for teens because its too much thinking and not enough killing sadly, but no i dont think its just for kids. i brought this to a party once, im 16, and all the guys said it was a cool game. it was always hilarious when something on rockets flew all around the stage destroying everything.2011-07-08 02:43:00

Author:
mrhollywood12345
Posts: 89

You're definitely not too old for video games, or a game like LBP for that matter. I'm 22 myself and love everything about the game. My friends are around my age as well, but none of them "play" LBP. They might play with me when I am, but none of them play more... religiously, like I do. I showed my friend some of the things I've made in the game though, and he saw what I see in the game. He was impressed of how deep the game really is, by looking at some of the logic for objects I've made.

I like games like Mario and Zelda too. I loved Flower, and am looking forward to Journey. One of my former friends gave me a "you're-too-old" speech for watching anime when I was 14. He didn't understand however that they're not just cartoons for the child demographic. I also like to play Magic the Gathering. No one's told me yet how I'm too old to play a trading card game and think of something like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh. Also, my dad is 55 and he likes to play sports games and Rock Band. I try not to worry about age and just enjoy things.

I love LBP, and don't think I will ever stop loving it for a long time. 		2011-07-08 04:06:00

Author:
maddoggnick96
Posts: 272

If you like it, play it 2011-07-08 16:38:00

Author:
zzmorg82
Posts: 948

My 72 year old grandfather played Fear 3 with me, so the term "too old" is meaningless in my view.2011-07-08 17:44:00

Author:
Flamento
Posts: 352

Just found this posted on my personal profile page at lbp.me...


YOU LOOK LIKE A CREEPER IM THINKING OF CALLING THE COPS! GET OFF A KIDS GAME!

I honestly don't know what the kid is talking about...

http://ib.lbp.me/img/al/3fb7235b1e57b461b78f65876e37f843b62ea5e9.png		2011-07-08 18:59:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Just found this posted on my personal profile page at lbp.me...

ROFL!!! ..well, the hooded version of Ungreth is a bit creepy, but who said this was a kids game!?? They have yet to unlock the full potential of this game! In fact... "Their poor apes brain will never contain the knowledge of the Krell!" - Forbidden Planet		2011-07-08 19:05:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

^Haha, Did someone really post on your profile that?
AHH... Kids these days think they own everything.

When will kids learn err? it's like they never have talked to real gamers before?

Even when I was a kid I never questioned why people play any game they wanted to play.
some people on beyond me. *mew		2011-07-08 19:08:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Just found this posted on my personal profile page at lbp.me...


YOU LOOK LIKE A CREEPER IM THINKING OF CALLING THE COPS! GET OFF A KIDS GAME!


I honestly don't know what the kid is talking about...

This is the kid's profile introduction:


I'm 13, I am a Christian, my parents named me after one of Jesus' disciples and I am proud to have 1 of their names. MAY GOD MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!!! Christianity shall survive!!! -alaska-hunter21. I WILL DEFEND AND DIE FOR MY RELIGION!!! -alaska-hunter21 Forgive and forget -Jesus Christ

I'm scared for you! 		2011-07-08 19:10:00

Author:
Rhys125
Posts: 841

Just found this posted on my personal profile page at lbp.me...



I honestly don't know what the kid is talking about...

http://ib.lbp.me/img/al/3fb7235b1e57b461b78f65876e37f843b62ea5e9.png

Is it just me or does Ungreth look like a white Snoop Dogg?
http://www.shoutmouth.com/index.php/images/der/L3Zhci93d3cvc2l0ZXMvbWVkaWEuc2hvdXRtb3V0aC5jb20vaH RtbC9kZXJpdnMvODZjODM1ZGMxYjNjZThlZDQ4ZTVmMWNkNmQ3 MDNiYmQtMTA0NTMzYmQ2ZGRhZjNiNDUzYWMyZmZlM2E3MGY4MG UuanBn.jpg		2011-07-08 19:18:00

Author:
Flamento
Posts: 352

Is it just me or does Ungreth look like a white Snoop Dogg?

...not at all, Ungreth looks much more evil and ready to rip your heart out for a snack. 		2011-07-08 19:20:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

It would be better if it was a little zoomed out and he was holding a teddy bear. Then noone would question him and think he was a really nice guy.2011-07-08 19:58:00

Author:
GameRoom
Posts: 200

Wouldn't LBP be blasphemous to a Christian? Create Mode seems a little too close to being a god that I don't think the Christians would appreciate.2011-07-08 20:43:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

It would be better if it was a little zoomed out and he was holding a teddy bear. Then noone would question him and think he was a really nice guy.

To be fair, I did snap that pic and use it for my profile with the intention of scaring the kids away. My levels are levelled at more mature gamers and the "get off my lawn" tactics help to keep young innocent minds away from my house of horrors. Looks like it worked, although I didn't expect anyone to get quite so freaked out that they would consider calling the cops to report me as a "creeper", lol.

In reality I'm not actually the creepy loner I appear to be. In fact, I'm just a normal family guy...

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1964/daveandsuni.jpg		2011-07-08 21:07:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

WOAH!!! Normal???

I don't believe that one for a second! lol		2011-07-08 21:13:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

WOAH!!! Normal???

I don't believe that one for a second! lol

Wait a minute...aren't you that creepy old dude seen lurking around race tracks with a camera in hand? 		2011-07-08 21:29:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Wait a minute...aren't you that creepy old dude seen lurking around race tracks with a camera in hand?

CRAP! No comment! 		2011-07-08 21:32:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Let's just face facts. Youngsters get really freaked out by the idea of "oldies" playing this game. The media has conditioned kids to view every adult stranger as a potential predator, and to them we are no different from that weird guy with a dirty beard and bad breath seen hanging around the local playground. Ironic, considering that in 90% of child abuse cases, the perpetrator is either a family member or a friend/associate of the child's family.2011-07-08 21:56:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I have to disagree, I am perfectly fine with older people playing this game, as they are the ones who bring us good, solid levels. Who honestly expects a 7-12 year old kid to understand logic? I don't, that's for sure. Hell, I'm 14 and I still need help with some things. People that are "older" are the real innovators of this game, and when they leave, I'll know it's time to get a new game.2011-07-08 22:11:00

Author:
Flamento
Posts: 352

Well it depends,on how these 7-12 year olds act.I'm 12,and I understand almost every peice of logic and how to use it.2011-07-11 22:45:00

Author:
Unknown User

While you certainly have the right to your opinion, you do not have the right to tell me how to raise my child.

Furthermore, just because you grow some hair "down there" doesn't mean you're able to You seem to be splicing the legal and common definitions of the word. You claim that a 16-year-old is "not a kid," yet here in the U.S. you have to be 18 to vote and 21 to drink. You also say that an adult need not be "mature," yet that word is at the core of its biological definition. It is the stage in one's life where they have surpassed all others, when they have reached both the biological and legally responsible criteria needed to act as a functional, reasoning adult.

I've seen plenty of "adults" acting worse than my two year old daughter at her worst, and I've seen some "kids" acting with the grace and maturity of someone 10 times their age. Perceptions of age and maturity are truly in the eye of the beholder.

Lastly, the media to which a child is exposed should be left to the discretion of the parent. That doesn't make me "old," that makes me open-minded. If your parents allowed you to play Splatterhouse at age 2, I wouldn't tell them they were wrong (even though I would think it.) Granted, I would also think they would have a good head start on creating a potential sociopath, but that's just me.

>Just because you've been alive for x amount of years, also doesnt mean you are able to behave and reason as a mature, responsible adult. Age doesnt relate to mental competance. Becoming 18 doesnt mean you are instantly intelligent.

>Meant mentally mature in regard to age.
Puberty = Physically mature = Adult
Doesnt mean the law is right. Also, states get to decide on drinking ages, that 21 stuff is what the government WANTS it to be. In my state there is no drinking age

>You just agreed with me that adults can be stupid and kids can be intelligent so I dont know what to tell you.

>And if the "child" is more intelligent than their parent and fully understands the media, why should the incompetant parent have a say so? What will an age restriction accomplish if you would react the same as you would if you were older?



I'm pretty sure parents are entitled to raise their kid however they please.

>Sure, legally you can screw up your kids life by being a bad parent, so what should stop you?
You could raise your kid to be a neo-nazi, and since you're 'entitled' to raise your kid however you please, theres nothing wrong with it! Right?

>everything else you said was unrelated

Doing the nasty doesnt make you competant to raise a child. 		2011-07-12 11:15:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Because the law says so, that's why...

It takes a lot to get a law changed, more than just a strong opinion. While you may have your opinion, why does that mean all of us have to agree with tours.		2011-07-12 11:54:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

@ Brem...

Why don't we just reject all common sense regarding age appropriateness and give our kids porn, alcohol, cigars and some guns to play with?

Yay! Viva la revolucion! 		2011-07-12 12:20:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

>Just because you've been alive for x amount of years, also doesnt mean you are able to behave and reason as a mature, responsible adult. Age doesnt relate to mental competance. Becoming 18 doesnt mean you are instantly intelligent.

>Meant mentally mature in regard to age.
Puberty = Physically mature = Adult
Doesnt mean the law is right. Also, states get to decide on drinking ages, that 21 stuff is what the government WANTS it to be. In my state there is no drinking age

>You just agreed with me that adults can be stupid and kids can be intelligent so I dont know what to tell you.

>And if the "child" is more intelligent than their parent and fully understands the media, why should the incompetant parent have a say so? What will an age restriction accomplish if you would react the same as you would if you were older?

>Sure, legally you can screw up your kids life by being a bad parent, so what should stop you?
You could raise your kid to be a neo-nazi, and since you're 'entitled' to raise your kid however you please, theres nothing wrong with it! Right?

I suppose it depends on what you consider to be "bad parenting." If and when my kid plays Call of Duty or any other mature game is a judgement call. And I, as their parent, have every right to make those sort of decisions for my kid. Ratings on games are recommendations, nothing more. A six year old is legally allowed to purchase Splatterhouse in the store, but that doesn't mean it should be condoned.



If you think parents should have the choice not let their kid play shooters because they are too violent, you are too old.
If you disagree with the above statements and think that parents are entitled to control their kids life, you are too old and also not competant enough to be a parent.

Your statement basically said that I was "too old" for wanting to prevent my kid from playing a shooter. I fundamentally disagree with that statement. And I am more than competent to make such a decision.


>everything else you said was unrelated

Doing the nasty doesnt make you competant to raise a child. Being a parent is a full-time job. And like all jobs, some are simply better at theirs than others. But making a decision as to what kind of games they play (and thus, potentially violent images, gore, sex, drug abuse, etc.) is and should be the parents responsibility. I think you'd find that most parents would be able to tell you flat-out if their kid is mature enough to handle it, and give you examples why. The media we are exposed to has a powerful effect on our perceptions and cognitive abilities. It shapes our personalities and can be used to mold opinions and sensitivities. It should be treated with care and, yes, if necessary, should be restricted in some cases.

I also argued the converse is true. Just because you hit puberty doesn't mean you should be allowed to virtually shoot people in the face.


@ Brem...

Why don't we just reject all common sense regarding age appropriateness and give our kids porn, alcohol, cigars and some guns to play with?

Yay! Viva la revolucion!

http://www.usefilm.com/images/5/1/8/2/5182/1326767-medium.jpg

Now put the liquor in the bag with the Hustler and my Marlboros. Move, Grandma!

@theOP: Age is just a number. Play what you want to play, do what you want to do, and be who you want to be... and do so unabashedly. Everyone knows it's how many plays you get or how long your on the Cool Pages that really matters. (That was sarcasm, people.)		2011-07-12 12:58:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

(ha ha, i wonder why he's your EX-friend...)
i look at this and feel your pain, it just so happens that alot of people "judge a book by its cover" or in this case-- a game by its rating. but atleast this person plays video games, unlike teh haterz at school. (im so glad its summer, lol) but this kid probably thinks he's better than you, *cough*AVALON*COUGH* talking like that. its a shame really. he could of been friends with a great creator like you. but yes, i agree. if YOU're having fun, thats all that really matters. being that said, having fun creating your idea and sharing them with a huge social network and get feedback, creating what every your little sackfolk heart desires (at hopefully an E rated lvl sure~), or playing the 4,000,000 (/OVER 9,000!/) levels waiting for us to play, or you know. blowing out zombies heads 50 times in a row in a piontless persue of a digital trophy in one of those war games. ...as long as your having fun! (no offence to those gamers, just poking fun.)		2011-07-12 13:04:00

Author:
iinov8
Posts: 131

No, any parent who allows their child to play an 18 rated game is unfit as a member of society.

If only because it's their fault that all of these 18 rated games are full of whining, screaming children who don't know how to conduct themselves.

If you are going to let your child play 18 rated games - at least take their microphone off them first, then no-one will know 		2011-07-12 13:09:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m489/psnrialrees/luciatroopercropped.jpg

Now put the liquor in the bag with the Hustler and my Marlboros. Move, Grandma!

Fixed.

I just couldnt see that post below ungreth's without imagining that.... 		2011-07-12 13:12:00

Author:
rialrees
Posts: 1015

Because the law says so, that's why...

It takes a lot to get a law changed, more than just a strong opinion. While you may have your opinion, why does that mean all of us have to agree with tours.

So just because something is hard, it shouldnt be done? I never said you had to agree.


@ Brem...

Why don't we just reject all common sense regarding age appropriateness and give our kids porn, alcohol, cigars and some guns to play with?

Yay! Viva la revolucion!

Replace cigars with weed, make the guns for hunting and im fine with that.


I suppose it depends on what you consider to be "bad parenting." If and when my kid plays Call of Duty or any other mature game is a judgement call. And I, as their parent, have every right to make those sort of decisions for my kid. Ratings on games are recommendations, nothing more. A six year old is legally allowed to purchase Splatterhouse in the store, but that doesn't mean it should be condoned.



Your statement basically said that I was "too old" for wanting to prevent my kid from playing a shooter. I fundamentally disagree with that statement. And I am more than competent to make such a decision.

Being a parent is a full-time job. And like all jobs, some are simply better at theirs than others. But making a decision as to what kind of games they play (and thus, potentially violent images, gore, sex, drug abuse, etc.) is and should be the parents responsibility. I think you'd find that most parents would be able to tell you flat-out if their kid is mature enough to handle it, and give you examples why. The media we are exposed to has a powerful effect on our perceptions and cognitive abilities. It shapes our personalities and can be used to mold opinions and sensitivities. It should be treated with care and, yes, if necessary, should be restricted in some cases.

I also argued the converse is true. Just because you hit puberty doesn't mean you should be allowed to virtually shoot people in the face.



YOU might be competant enough to make that judgement call, but just being a parent doesnt give the right to make that call. What about a parent who is stupid or a religious extremist,or what if we are talking about a teenager and not a little kid? You dont have the right to control another human beings life if they are competant to make their own decisions.

Say a parent of a 17 year old who is one day away from turning 18, isnt allowed to be anywhere near violent or sexual media, but the next day when they turn 18 they are now considered adult and they can do whatever they want? How does the concept of becoming mature in a day make sense?

Actually I find that parents generally dont know much about their childs maturity because most kids dont want their parents butting into their personal life or do things that their parents dont want them doing. Cursing when at school or a friends house, not at home. Drinking at a friends house, not at home. Playing violent video games at a friends house, not at home. Watching movies that their parents dont want them watching. The parent doesnt allow them to do it because they think the kids not ready for it, the kids doing it anyway and getting away with pretending like they arent doing it so they must be mature enough to handle it without it changing their behaving to a point of raising suspicion.

Whats worse, not being exposed to anything then one day being exposed to everything, or being exposed gradually and becoming used to it? Overprotectiveness leads to sensory overload when you finally experience things, which is what messes a person up the most.		2011-07-12 14:47:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Replace cigars with weed, make the guns for hunting and im fine with that.



SERIOUSLY!? What the **** kind of stupid backwards *** logic is that? Giving illegal drugs to children? How old are you? 13? 14? You can't be any older than that or I am seriously sorry for your future children. Having to be raised by you. Might as well be aborted than have the future you are offering.

The law is there for a reason. You don't steal. You don't murder. You don't do illegal drugs. Those are the rules. They have been there for a long time. They have worked fine for years. Respect them and you won't go to jail. If you want to live in a country with no laws, have fun protecting your own stupid self. Laws and rules are there to protect you.		2011-07-12 15:31:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

SERIOUSLY!? What the **** kind of stupid backwards *** logic is that? Giving illegal drugs to children? How old are you? 13? 14? You can't be any older than that or I am seriously sorry for your future children. Having to be raised by you. Might as well be aborted than have the future you are offering.

The law is there for a reason. You don't steal. You don't murder. You don't do illegal drugs. Those are the rules. They have been there for a long time. They have worked fine for years. Respect them and you won't go to jail. If you want to live in a country with no laws, have fun protecting your own stupid self. Laws and rules are there to protect you.

Go love yourself. <3		2011-07-12 16:11:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

As long as they continue the LittleBigPlanet series, or add new things every now and then, LBP will always be the only game I play!2011-07-12 16:19:00

Author:
StaticLinuxpro
Posts: 482

I think this thread is getting a bit out of hand.... lol2011-07-12 16:34:00

Author:
kabirdsall14
Posts: 180

It is getting a bit out of hand, and the trolls are getting to me...2011-07-12 17:51:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

SERIOUSLY!? What the **** kind of stupid backwards *** logic is that? Giving illegal drugs to children? How old are you? 13? 14? You can't be any older than that or I am seriously sorry for your future children. Having to be raised by you. Might as well be aborted than have the future you are offering.

The law is there for a reason. You don't steal. You don't murder. You don't do illegal drugs. Those are the rules. They have been there for a long time. They have worked fine for years. Respect them and you won't go to jail. If you want to live in a country with no laws, have fun protecting your own stupid self. Laws and rules are there to protect you.

I think he might have been joking... 		2011-07-12 23:44:00

Author:
abyssalassassin
Posts: 717

DaVinci is too old. And you're not a shriveled old man with a beard taller than you yourself. People judge out of ignorant pride and assumptions. Many people need to learn to do research and think before they run their mouths. They try to make themselves look smart, but just end up looking stupid. Around adolescence, most people don't know what they think. They're told what they think through what's "cool". And the only game that's good to them is COD. They don't even bother to look into a game that actually varies over a short period of time. Same with slightly younger kids. They look up to their elders just as much as they did when they were younger. They're so easily manipulated. So, they play COD and do other things that the older people do. Too young is anywhere under 18. That's why M usually says 18/ 17 plus. But, that's not valuable to anyone anymore, is it? Either that, or they can't read. But, you're definitely not too old to play LBP. You're never too old to play it. 2011-07-13 00:30:00

Author:
Sackpapoi
Posts: 1195

40, 2 Kids

I love this game. I appreciate this thread because I have also come across people that have said it was a "baby game". Then they play it and can't stop! It's like candy
Life way too serious and cynical and this game is a nice break from the bloodshed in most games. It seems something like 70% of PS3 games are M.		2011-07-13 00:44:00

Author:
Astralith
Posts: 6

YOU might be competant enough to make that judgement call, but just being a parent doesnt give the right to make that call.

Actually it does. It also means we can take away the keys to the car that we paid for, or set rules and limits and consequences for breaking them, or doling out chores. That covers Call of Duty, too. That sort of thing is what growing up and parenting is all about. Responsibilities, trust, maturity and consequences.


What about a parent who is stupid or a religious extremist,or what if we are talking about a teenager and not a little kid? You dont have the right to control another human beings life if they are competant to make their own decisions.

Say a parent of a 17 year old who is one day away from turning 18, isnt allowed to be anywhere near violent or sexual media, but the next day when they turn 18 they are now considered adult and they can do whatever they want? How does the concept of becoming mature in a day make sense?You're missing the point. Laws are laws and guidelines are guidelines (which is what we're really talking about here.) With guidelines, there are exceptions to the rule, but generally there are age groups and "appropriate" content is lumped into categories. Adult content in the "Rated M for Mature" games, and "G" or "PG" games like LBP with things like "cartoon mischief" and slapstick humor, etc. If your parent doesn't want you to play mature content, then that's their decision. What sort of fundamental growth are they depriving their children of? I would argue none, save the ability to "quick scope n00bs" or come up with homophobic slurs on the fly.

With laws, there must be no grey area. That's why the ages are chosen specifically, as they recommend the mean or average age of what is deemed to be responsible enough to handle whatever it is the law dictates. I was using laws with age restrictions to illustrate my point that there are tangible limits to how old one must be to handle certain responsibilities, and with good reason.


Actually I find that parents generally dont know much about their childs maturity because most kids dont want their parents butting into their personal life or do things that their parents dont want them doing. Cursing when at school or a friends house, not at home. Drinking at a friends house, not at home. Playing violent video games at a friends house, not at home. Watching movies that their parents dont want them watching. The parent doesnt allow them to do it because they think the kids not ready for it, the kids doing it anyway and getting away with pretending like they arent doing it so they must be mature enough to handle it without it changing their behaving to a point of raising suspicion.Actually I think you'd be surprised to find out what your parents were doing at your age.

Of course, they probably won't admit to any of it until you're much, much older. If there's one thing I've learned about being a parent in my short time on the job, it's that parents know much more about you than they ever let on.

Would you argue that parents should instead do the opposite?

Imagine this: "You better toss back those shots we lined up, or you won't be going to Prom! And while you're at it, your K/D ratio has been slacking a bit. Screw that homework and get your *** on BlackOps! We'll be watching some skin flicks in our room with the volume all the way up and the door open, so just come on in if you need something!"

Sure, my scenario is ludicrous, but it illustrates my point. To me it seems you're calling for unrestricted freedom from mature content and experience, yet how and when and where these things are introduced to any child is fundamental to their development. Surely you understand and appreciate this. What I'm saying to the OP is simply this: to each, their own.

I think a parent who "shelters" their child from everything and anything is doing a far better job at parenting than someone who exposes them to the same without a thought as to how it will affect them.


Whats worse, not being exposed to anything then one day being exposed to everything, or being exposed gradually and becoming used to it? Overprotectiveness leads to sensory overload when you finally experience things, which is what messes a person up the most.The worst is having parents that don't care either way. What is ideal is when parents are honest and open with their children, and those parents realize that although they may have their child's best intentions in mind, they can't always stop them from doing everything. (Unless your kid is Bubble Boy.)

And what could you possibly experience in real life that compares to a video game? Military combat? That's why they have basic training. Blood and guts? No harm in being squeamish. Sex? You can't turn on your TV or open a magazine without some reference to it these days. And sooner or later, everyone does it.

Overprotective behavior may have it's consequences, but "sensory overload" is not one of them.

TBH, I've hijacked this thread far longer than I intended, and although I enjoyed our debate, we're most likely better off agreeing to disagree.		2011-07-13 04:30:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

I am 16, but turning 17 in August, which means I can purchase rated-M games without parental consent. I was born in the same year when the ESRB was initiated. The first rated-M game I ever played was Doom 2 at the age of 4. However, I have no memories of that and did not play another rated-M game until I faced-off against my friend in Halo 2. I did not even own a rated-M game until the 8th Grade, when my parents deemed that I was mature enough and got me Call of Duty: Modern Warfare. Technically, I should not be playing my COD4, or RDR, KZ2, or other rated-M games due to the labeling. But my parents have full knowledge of my maturity, and I am fully aware of what to expect in a title rated M and how to act properly when online.

Now, this has no relation to the topic presented in the OP, but it highlights how this thread has drifted into such matters.

It should not matter how old you are or how "cute" a game looks; if you're having fun, then by gosh, play it! No one's stopping you! Unfortunately... due to the rating and it's more family-oriented styling, the older crowds are acting immature about it and teasing it for such. Well, who are those people again? Why, the chowderheads and idiots you run into in any rated-M FPS on the market today. Instead of playing around with an adorable beanbag, they much prefer popping people's heads off with a shotgun. By all means, let 'em at it! As schm0 declared, "to each their own"... but the OP highlights, again, the maturity standpoint in the situation, as they feel entitled to openly insult a game like LittleBigPlanet, and the people who play them.

Really... is there anything we can do about it? If we lash back and ridicule them, we're basically stooping down to their level. In society, there will always be (pardon my French) the les gens vraiment stupides que je d?teste fortement in our society, and we have two simple options: we can pay attention to their trolling and become absorbed, or we can ignore them and continue on with our lives.

Be the more mature pupil; just ignore them. You'll thank yourself later. 		2011-07-13 05:09:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

You're too old when you can't hold the controller anymore.2011-07-13 06:04:00

Author:
Alismuffin
Posts: 1328

[quote]Actually it does. It also means we can take away the keys to the car that we paid for, or set rules and limits and consequences for breaking them, or doling out chores. That covers Call of Duty, too. That sort of thing is what growing up and parenting is all about. Responsibilities, trust, maturity and consequences.


Well obviously you can take a car away since it has to be under your name for insurance and you paid for it in the first place, so its yours anyway.
Think about this: Your child couldnt choose to be born, they didnt ask for life, then when they are born, now they have to listen to someone who may or may not think logically?

So what about parents who rape, abuse or mutilate their children? Since they are parents they are entitled to raise their children how ever they want and do whatever they want with them, right? And being over a certain age makes them mature and responsible so they know whats best?
Some bad logic man.



You're missing the point. Laws are laws and guidelines are guidelines (which is what we're really talking about here.) With guidelines, there are exceptions to the rule, but generally there are age groups and "appropriate" content is lumped into categories. Adult content in the "Rated M for Mature" games, and "G" or "PG" games like LBP with things like "cartoon mischief" and slapstick humor, etc. If your parent doesn't want you to play mature content, then that's their decision. What sort of fundamental growth are they depriving their children of? I would argue none, save the ability to "quick scope n00bs" or come up with homophobic slurs on the fly.

So you would teach your child that death does not exist, the human body is so disgusting that you cant see someone nude unless you are having sex, that alchohol is something you cant have now because its bad for you but after a certain age, go ahead? Thats the whole reason why people in America binge drink and crave sex so much. If you teach moderation and control, teach that it exists and understanding of it, then they dont crave it since they can have it whenever they want and understand the consequences of abusing it.


One does not mature in a day.
And if your child knows they are mature enough to handle a game or movie and you wont allow them, you cant be surprised when they go around your back to watch/play it anyway.



With laws, there must be no grey area. That's why the ages are chosen specifically, as they recommend the mean or average age of what is deemed to be responsible enough to handle whatever it is the law dictates. I was using laws with age restrictions to illustrate my point that there are tangible limits to how old one must be to handle certain responsibilities, and with good reason.

You dont go from being immature to mature in a day just because the digit of your age went up by 1.
Thats what the people who make the laws dont understand.

There definately is a grey area, nothing is ever black or white, theres more variables that need to be considered.

Explain this to me: There is no age limit on drinking where I live, so I can drink myself to death at a party and its perfectly legal, but I cant legally buy alchohol so I cant walk into a restaurant as a mature adult and order a glass of wine with a meal and drink responsibly, how does that make sense?



Actually I think you'd be surprised to find out what your parents were doing at your age.

Of course, they probably won't admit to any of it until you're much, much older. If there's one thing I've learned about being a parent in my short time on the job, it's that parents know much more about you than they ever let on.

My mother grew up catholic on a farm in the middle of a swamp so im pretty sure she wasnt doing much besides tending to pigs and chickens.

Maybe you know what your child does but not every parent is in the loop.




Would you argue that parents should instead do the opposite?

Imagine this: "You better toss back those shots we lined up, or you won't be going to Prom! And while you're at it, your K/D ratio has been slacking a bit. Screw that homework and get your *** on BlackOps! We'll be watching some skin flicks in our room with the volume all the way up and the door open, so just come on in if you need something!"

Sure, my scenario is ludicrous, but it illustrates my point. To me it seems you're calling for unrestricted freedom from mature content and experience, yet how and when and where these things are introduced to any child is fundamental to their development. Surely you understand and appreciate this. What I'm saying to the OP is simply this: to each, their own.

I am calling for unrestricted access if they understand the media and wont be adversly effected by it.
Just have to introduce things slowly and naturally.



I think a parent who "shelters" their child from everything and anything is doing a far better job at parenting than someone who exposes them to the same without a thought as to how it will affect them.

Yea, shelter them from everything so when they experience it they dont understand it.
Well of course you should explain it to them, thats your job as the parent, to teach them about the things they will experience in life so it doesnt shock them, not deny them the information and make them want everything in excess.



The worst is having parents that don't care either way. What is ideal is when parents are honest and open with their children, and those parents realize that although they may have their child's best intentions in mind, they can't always stop them from doing everything. (Unless your kid is Bubble Boy.)

And here you agree with me again..



And what could you possibly experience in real life that compares to a video game? Military combat? That's why they have basic training. Blood and guts? No harm in being squeamish. Sex? You can't turn on your TV or open a magazine without some reference to it these days. And sooner or later, everyone does it.

Exactly, its normal everyday stuff, you cant stop them from seeing it so best to explain it to them than ignore it, let them experience it themselves, and possibly come up with the wrong idea about it.




Overprotective behavior may have it's consequences, but "sensory overload" is not one of them.

Sensory overload is partially why the U.S is as bad off as it is, we cant have things until a certain age so we crave them, and when we do get old enough we do them in excess and face extreme consequences for it. Ex: Other countries in the world that allow alchohol from a young age have less people abusing alchohol and more people drinking responsibly because they learn to view it as something normal and respect it and dont crave it since its an option.
I cant stress that enough.


I agree, it might be time to give the thread back.. lol		2011-07-13 08:15:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

As I have said before, Brem, the laws are there for a reason. You respect the laws, or you go to jail. That is how a society functions without robbers or murderers running around free as a bird. If you can come up with a better law, that satisfies EVERYONE'S needs, not just your own, please write to your local congressman and tell them about it. That is the way we change laws. It isn't hard.2011-07-13 13:38:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

As I have said before, Brem, the laws are there for a reason.

Yea, to create fear and servitude.


You respect the laws, or you go to jail.

Like that ^


That is how a society functions without robbers or murderers running around free as a bird.

Because everyone who goes to jail is a murderer or robber, or deserves to be there.



If you can come up with a better law, that satisfies EVERYONE'S needs, not just your own, please write to your local congressman and tell them about it. That is the way we change laws. It isn't hard.

If you write to a congressman or any politician you get a generic reply generated by a computer. They dont read your letters. They dont care about you have to say. Laws dont get changed until theres an angry mob outside their doors.
But oh no, theres nothing wrong with that. The system must be perfect because a law is a law.
Just like slavery and the oppression of women must have been right because there were laws for them.
Which took a civil war, and a civil rights movement to get changed.
PERFECT logic.		2011-07-13 14:32:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Lol, getting a law changed isn;t hard?
The laws are there for a "reason"?
Ah, to be young and naive again

Yeah, if we're talking about Weed, then the laws are in place for political reasons that have nothing to do with public safety, public health, crime or any of those things you would think would be relevant.
Cannabis is used as a political football - as it's an easy target for politicians to be "seen to be doing something" about drugs... when in the cold harsh light of laboratory testing - it is FAR & AWAY less harmfull than alcohol, nicotene, paracetemol - even things like caffiene kill about 20,000 people a year.
Deaths related to Alcohol THIS YEAR ALONE = 1,000,000 +
Death Related to Cannabis use IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MANKIND = 0 Zero None

Don't be so quick to believe that Authority knows best - sometimes it's just about control and not "what is best for you".

Some parents give their children whiskey to get them to sleep.
I want Brem to be my dad, if it means I get joints instead of nytol! 		2011-07-13 14:39:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

I am not saying cannabis is dangerous in and of itself. I am saying that at the time we are in it is a danger by proxy. If someone drinks and drives, we can test their blood alcohol level at that time however we currently do not have the technology to detect short term marijuana use. We have the technology to detect it within a space of 3 months SO either we allow high driving, or we ban anybody from driving for 3 months after smoking. It is a hard situation to get around as far as law enforcement is concerned.

SECOND doomsday scenario for pot laws... Big tobacco companies... DO you honestly think they wouldn't stick their grubby little hands in the pot market? Do you think they would not attempt to make it addicting in a way similar to what they have done to tobacco? They are a greedy capitalist mega-presence in our society that sees you as a living ATM. The unethical business practice of these corporations would make marijuana something unlike you have ever seen before.		2011-07-13 15:01:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Many people see sackboy and think "Oh, that's a kiddie game" or something along those lines. If this game had the exact physics and features, but was more 'grown up' it would be ever so popular among adults who don't want to be seen playing a 'kiddie's game' Although that would mean the game would lose it's charm.

I personally think, as long as you're having fun, it shouldn't matter. Whats your opinion?

Also, this kid (12 years old) also plays MW2, but only when his mum is out, how young is too young to play a game such as MW2 or similar?

I completely agree with you on the charm thing. I personally like having sackboy and Little Big Planet compared to a realistic environment and a normal person for whatever you would control.
Im 15 years old, I just dont tell my friends of my addiction to this game.

Oh and the MW2 game, my parents up until now havent let me play any cod. The only reason I can play now is b/c you can turn gore off in black ops. I've heard of 8 year olds playing on Xbox live from my friends, and I think stuff like that is way too young. A good age to start is something like 14 at lowest.		2011-07-13 15:43:00

Author:
Ricky-III
Posts: 732

Ya...ok how did we get from talking about ages for lbp to talking about weed. This thread should be locked2011-07-13 15:47:00

Author:
kabirdsall14
Posts: 180

Ya...ok how did we get from talking about ages for lbp to talking about weed. This thread should be locked

I dunno about being locked, but it would be helpful to get back on topic. ..or at least recognize what the topic was! lol

I just don't think you are ever too old too play any video game if you are enjoying yourself. It might be your eyesight or hand eye coordination ends up getting the better of you, but I always tell people this: "I'll grow old 3 seconds after I am dead, until then, I am having fun." 		2011-07-13 16:30:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

My dad - who is from the generation *just before* computer games - saw me playing LBP and said flat out "Why don't you grow up?"

Then I showed him the level I was working on - all of the logic, the music sequencer, and the subject matter (currently secret - release expected in the next few weeks, though I've been saying that for a few weeks now ) ;
all he said then was "Wow - that's pretty cool isn't it?!"		2011-07-13 16:39:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Brem, I think you should go and spend a week in Somalia. You'd love it there...no central government, no state laws.

Of course you'll probably be raped, tortured and gruesomely butchered, but hey...

...at least you'll never have to return to the bayou 		2011-07-13 16:39:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Somalians are a lovely people - very hospitable. They have a culture of hospitality to strangers.
You know nothing.

What's the rape and murder statistics like in America, huh? Non-existent I suppose 		2011-07-13 16:42:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Somalians are a lovely people - very hospitable. They have a culture of hospitality to strangers.
You know nothing.

What's the rape and murder statistics like in America, huh? Non-existent I suppose

Quote: Foreign and Commonwealth Office website...


We advise against all travel to Somalia, including Somaliland. In the Southern and Central regions, there is ongoing serious violence, dangerous levels of criminal activity and general internal insecurity. We advise any British citizens in Somalia to leave. There is a high threat from terrorism throughout Somalia. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places frequented by expatriates and foreign travellers. Following the death of Osama Bin Laden terrorist groups operating in Somalia have made threats against Westerners and those working for Western organisations in Somalia, including Somaliland. Westerners and those working for western organisations have been targeted in the past and this threat is ongoing.

Quote: Earth Times...


All warring parties in Somalia have committed war crimes against civilians including rape, murder and the use of people as human shields, a human rights' body said Monday. "The combatants in Somalia have inflicted more harm on civilians than on each other," said Georgette Gagnon, Africa director at Human Rights Watch. Drawing on the testimony of 80 witnesses, HRW accuses government forces and allied militia of torturing detainees, killing and raping civilians and looting their homes. The report includes testimony from teenage girls raped by government forces, parents whose children were shredded by Ethiopian rockets and people shot by insurgents for working as messengers for the government. Around 200,000 civilians have fled to neighbouring Kenya, even more are internally displaced and hundreds have died already this year as they attempted to cross the Gulf of Aden to Yemen, usually after being forced overboard or abandoned at sea by smugglers.
So...you were saying? 		2011-07-13 17:01:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Ya...ok how did we get from talking about ages for lbp to talking about weed. This thread should be locked

The OP asked this:


Also, this kid (12 years old) also plays MW2, but only when his mum is out, how young is too young to play a game such as MW2 or similar?

Ah, I've failed to avoid argument again! Why, Bremnen, why!?



...now they have to listen to someone who may or may not think logically?

There are billions of decisions my parents made when I was younger that I thought were silly, unfair, or just plain wrong. Only now do I understand why they made them.


So what about parents who rape, abuse or mutilate their children? Since they are parents they are entitled to raise their children how ever they want and do whatever they want with them, right? And being over a certain age makes them mature and responsible so they know whats best?
Some bad logic man.Yes, every individual is subject to the rule of law. Break the laws, go to jail. I suppose you could call that an "entitlement". Fortunately, the vast majority of parents don't rape their children. Stop focusing on the .0001% and get back to the topic on hand.


So you would teach your child that death does not exist, the human body is so disgusting that you cant see someone nude unless you are having sex, that alchohol is something you cant have now because its bad for you but after a certain age, go ahead? Thats the whole reason why people in America binge drink and crave sex so much. If you teach moderation and control, teach that it exists and understanding of it, then they dont crave it since they can have it whenever they want and understand the consequences of abusing it.You see what you did there? You inserted assumptions of what parents who "shelter" their children are leading them to believe, when in fact it's not true.

Who in their right mind teaches their children that their bodies are disgusting? Sure, picking your boogers and wiping your butt and breaking a bone and seeing it poke through the skin are gross enough, but I don't think there are millions of parents going around telling their kids they should be ashamed of what's between their legs.

And alcohol, in any form or amount, is bad for you. The second you ingest it, it begins affecting your body adversely, killing brain cells, eating away at your liver, etc. Over time, and especially with abuse, it can lead to injury, disease or death. Come on, you're not advocating that alcohol is 100% healthy for you, are you?

And then we go off on this whole "All Americans are X" argument, which is where you really start to lose me. So because I'm American, I crave sex and do nothing but drink all day? Your stereotypes and assumptions about American culture are not only unfounded and untrue, but also an incredibly weak case for your argument.

Let me try to understand this: A parent doesn't let their kid play Call of Duty, and this is equivalent to telling them that their private parts are ugly and they should be ashamed, and that a sip of alcohol will turn you into a raging alcoholic?


And if your child knows they are mature enough to handle a game or movie and you wont allow them, you cant be surprised when they go around your back to watch/play it anyway.Whether or not they "know they are mature enough" to handle it is irrelevant. Rules are rules, and some will surely be broken. Nobody is pretending otherwise. Again, what is the impact here?


Explain this to me: There is no age limit on drinking where I live, so I can drink myself to death at a party and its perfectly legal, but I cant legally buy alchohol so I cant walk into a restaurant as a mature adult and order a glass of wine with a meal and drink responsibly, how does that make sense?Because there are laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, but not it's private consumption? In short, yes, that makes perfect sense to me. I don't pretend to know the local laws of every country in the world, so I just don't know the specific answer to your question. Here in the U.S., the person responsible for holding the party would most certainly face charges of some sort for your death. And that's not even getting into the civil side of litigation, either (i.e. monetary compensation.)


My mother grew up catholic on a farm in the middle of a swamp so im pretty sure she wasnt doing much besides tending to pigs and chickens. I still think you'd be surprised.


I am calling for unrestricted access if they understand the media and wont be adversly effected by it.
Just have to introduce things slowly and naturally.How does one introduce the art of the headshot "slowly and naturally"? And don't get me started on all the sick fetishes out there... how do you explain those "slowly and naturally?" Answer: you can't. But it doesn't mean you should let your kid have unrestricted access to them.


Well of course you should explain it to them, thats your job as the parent, to teach them about the things they will experience in life so it doesnt shock them, not deny them the information and make them want everything in excess.Again, you're assuming causality here. A (denying access to mature media/content) does not always lead to B (wanting said media/content in excess.)


Sensory overload is partially why the U.S is as bad off as it is, we cant have things until a certain age so we crave them, and when we do get old enough we do them in excess and face extreme consequences for it. Ex: Other countries in the world that allow alchohol from a young age have less people abusing alchohol and more people drinking responsibly because they learn to view it as something normal and respect it and dont crave it since its an option.
I cant stress that enough.Reinforcing your own stereotypes of Americans with misguided conceptions will not support your argument here. You're reaching again. There's no causality. If I allow my child to play Call of Duty it is most likely not going to lead to "sensory overload" in which they will crave nothing but fragging n00bs for the rest of their lives.

In summary, I think you have a very defiant and anti-authoritian point of view, which unfortunately is skewing your entire argument with bias.

Laws are not meant

...to create fear and servitude.They are meant to protect society, and to create a world in which there are consequences for your actions by rule of law.

It seems you are obsessed with arbitrary age limits when the actual issue at hand here are game rating guidelines. I'm saying a parent has a right to follow those guidelines, or they can let their 14 year old play Call of Duty. Either way, there's no "proper" way to do it. Thus: to each, their own.

That being said, unrestricted access to every depravity and vice in this world is not the answer. That's just anarchy.		2011-07-13 17:15:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Somalians are a lovely people - very hospitable. They have a culture of hospitality to strangers.
You know nothing.

What's the rape and murder statistics like in America, huh? Non-existent I suppose

Yeah, but Somalia IS ranked #1 on the Failed States Index, and has been for the past few years. I'm sure the ppl there are very nice, just not when there is a bloody civil war going on between militant tribal factions. And I haven't even MENTIONED the pirates!!!

I have an interest in these kids of places myself, and Somalia amazes me sometimes.		2011-07-13 20:41:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

How can you be too old for a video game? The idea is to have fun, not to worry about whatever people think of what you do to have fun. ;]2011-07-13 23:02:00

Author:
Unknown User

ANYWAYS.... Back to how OLD is too OLD... Not how young is too young... I don't think there should be any restrictions in video games unless you are a child rapist or something. There are too many kiddies on LBP for deviants. But if you have a clean record, I don't think there is an age limit at all. Whatsoever...

Even for M rated games. I mean, when you look at situations like Columbine where it was heavily blamed on games and music and violent media, what I want to know is where were the parents during all that? Little kids (and teens) are impressionable, but that doesn't mean that seeing violence makes kids violent. Parental guidance. That is what our society lacks. We shouldn't shelter our kids, but we also shouldn't leave them to be impacted on their own by violent media. We need to guide them through it.		2011-07-14 08:58:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Refusing to play LBP because it isn't "mature" (translation = it isn't COD), or indeed any game just for having unrealistic visuals or being rated 7 or 3 (or E10/E if you are American), is in fact a massive sign of immaturity if you ask me. Just because it doesn't contain content that is only appropriate for adults doesn't make it an unenjoyable game. Or maybe it does, if you are an immature 12 year old who thinks that liking violence and throwing sweary tantrums because they lost while playing COD online makes you a badass.2011-07-14 18:55:00

Author:
Veyneru
Posts: 115

I personally can't understand why ANYONE likes the new CoD's. There's absolutely NO depth to them at all, you just run around and shoot other ppl, then scream on the mic whenever somebody shoots you. I grew up playing Goldeneye 007, now THAT'S a FPS!! In my opinion, CoD RUINED the FPS genre, not one FPS is good anymore because they're all basically online only now, the crappy story is just thrown in as a formality.

Basically, how does playing CoD make you mature? An ape could play that game just as good as anyone else, maybe even better.		2011-07-14 19:05:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

Unfortunately, kids today have very short attention spans and need that "twitch" gameplay that CoD offers.2011-07-15 00:20:00

Author:
KnutsoPX
Posts: 116

I know man, I feel like whenever I try to okay that game I'm only playing a game in 10-second bursts.2011-07-15 03:11:00

Author:
sp0ngyraver
Posts: 407

Hey there, just last night, I was arguing with a (now) ex-friend. A little way into the argument, he said to me;


"Your so immature, your 16 and your playing a 7+ Cartoony game,looooooooooool"

Now, this kind of got me riled, but also thinking, how old is too old to play a game such as LBP? I know that many of the best creators are well into their adult lives and still play such a game. I think LBP has too much prejudice due to the way that it looks. Many people see sackboy and think "Oh, that's a kiddie game" or something along those lines. If this game had the exact physics and features, but was more 'grown up' it would be ever so popular among adults who don't want to be seen playing a 'kiddie's game' Although that would mean the game would lose it's charm.

I personally think, as long as you're having fun, it shouldn't matter. Whats your opinion?

Also, this kid (12 years old) also plays MW2, but only when his mum is out, how young is too young to play a game such as MW2 or similar?

There is a relatively simple answer to this.

CoD should be rated 3+ and LBP should be rated 18+.

This might sound like crap but hear me out.

MW2 is over-run with annoying little kiddies, the majority of it's population are kids. It's where it gets well over 60% of it's sales because an over-whelmng majority of parents don't give a **** about age ratings.

LBP, meanwhile has a huge amount of adults playing it and especially if you go to a community like this you will get a huge number of adult players and teenagers.

In other words, you've got a much better chance of swearing in a pod and getting away with it than swearing in a free-for all game room.

But if you want to know where you should be spending your time it's the 15/16 area with motorStorm and Uncharted where there are a lot of adults and teenagers also.

In closing I'd like to agree with the second poster in that just because Blur is rated 7 doesn't mean it's not a place to race with big boys. 		2011-07-15 16:53:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

Some times, you gotta have your CoD tho. I mean, there is nothing wrong with pick up and play shallow games, they are fun. But sometimes you gotsta exercise the brain parts too!2011-07-15 16:58:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

The OP asked this:



Ah, I've failed to avoid argument again! Why, Bremnen, why!?

Because you keep bringing it up.

There are billions of decisions my parents made when I was younger that I thought were silly, unfair, or just plain wrong. Only now do I understand why they made them.

Implying all desicions parents make are the correct ones and that not agreeing = not understanding.
Yes, every individual is subject to the rule of law. Break the laws, go to jail. I suppose you could call that an "entitlement". Fortunately, the vast majority of parents don't rape their children. Stop focusing on the .0001% and get back to the topic on hand.

Try more along the lines of 17-28% for the US. (roughly 84, 000/yr, which is down about 10,000 from the 90's)
Though I guess 72% is a vast majority, right?
But 51% is a majority too, so if 51% of children were sexually abused by their parents the other 49% doesnt exist, because its a majority. More bad logic

Heres a majority, the majority of sex crimes commited by mothers goes unresearched, and is ignored is most cases by police or anyone the victim trys to tell.

40% of child deaths in the US are caused by neglect from parents.

We switched from games to parenting, if thats what you mean, yet you go back to CoD to say everyhing I say is irrelevant. You see what you did there? You inserted assumptions of what parents who "shelter" their children are leading them to believe, when in fact it's not true.

Who in their right mind teaches their children that their bodies are disgusting? Sure, picking your boogers and wiping your butt and breaking a bone and seeing it poke through the skin are gross enough, but I don't think there are millions of parents going around telling their kids they should be ashamed of what's between their legs.

See what YOU did there? Told me im making assumptions that parents are telling their kids this, then deny that any parents do.

Fun Fact: 86% of people in the US are religous.
Theres about 311 million people in the US.
So a bit under 267 million who are religous.
I dont think I have to explain this one

Nudity in public is made illegal, you are taught to look away or close your eyes when soemone is nude, nudity in media is censored, they show videos in school about stds and pregnancy rarely saying anything about condoms, nude beaches/spas/resorts/cafes/bars are portrayed as indecent/wrong in the news, it is illegal for women to go topless in public(if thats because of our fascination with sex, who knows), *** (And we censor a 3 letter word for homosexual, which is really mature ) marriage is still illegal in most places, something as simple as mooning is illegal in a lot of places,indecency laws censor all aspects of our lives, advertisements use sex to sell products, yep, the US loves the human body..in porn. Outside of that, keep your body to yourself.
And alcohol, in any form or amount, is bad for you. The second you ingest it, it begins affecting your body adversely, killing brain cells, eating away at your liver, etc. Over time, and especially with abuse, it can lead to injury, disease or death. Come on, you're not advocating that alcohol is 100% healthy for you, are you?

Wow.
Binge drinking kills brain cells and eats away at your liver, in moderation its actually good for you.
Though after that alcohol abuse scare psa you gave, I dont think you believe that. lol

And then we go off on this whole "All Americans are X" argument, which is where you really start to lose me. So because I'm American, I crave sex and do nothing but drink all day? Your stereotypes and assumptions about American culture are not only unfounded and untrue, but also an incredibly weak case for your argument.


(Throwing out the word sterotype and assumption against someone speaking logically? I should probably be offended)
Sadly the majority does.
Just because you dont, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

Let me try to understand this: A parent doesn't let their kid play Call of Duty, and this is equivalent to telling them that their private parts are ugly and they should be ashamed, and that a sip of alcohol will turn you into a raging alcoholic?

Sure, go back to games to make the point irrelavent and twist my words, again.
Whether or not they "know they are mature enough" to handle it is irrelevant. Rules are rules, and some will surely be broken. Nobody is pretending otherwise. Again, what is the impact here?

Except for you?
Its very relavant.
If you're mature enough to handle it, you're mature enough to handle it.
Someones opinion doesnt change that. Which is why I said KNOW they are mature enough rather than THINK.
Opinions are exactly that, opinions, not facts, truths, and dont even need to be logical.
Again, this has been explained already, just because something is a rule or law, doesnt mean it is correct, moral, ethical, or logical.

The impact is someone who's ignorant, denying something to their intelligent child, because they have an irrational opinion about it or are just too lazy to explain the material to the child. Even worse is because they are conservative/religious and dont allow it for that reason.Because there are laws prohibiting the sale of alcohol, but not it's private consumption? In short, yes, that makes perfect sense to me. I don't pretend to know the local laws of every country in the world, so I just don't know the specific answer to your question. Here in the U.S., the person responsible for holding the party would most certainly face charges of some sort for your death. And that's not even getting into the civil side of litigation, either (i.e. monetary compensation.)

If that makes sense to you, then you are illogical. Laws like that only promote misuse of alcohol.
We arent talking about some foreign country, I live in the US, just like you.
I still think you'd be surprised.

Nah, when I said swamp, I meant it very literally.
How does one introduce the art of the headshot "slowly and naturally"? And don't get me started on all the sick fetishes out there... how do you explain those "slowly and naturally?" Answer: you can't. But it doesn't mean you should let your kid have unrestricted access to them.

Idk uh, because its a game and you're not shooting a real person? "Hey Johnny, you know what death is right? Killing people is wrong and you go to jail for it. This is a video game, its made of pixels, you wont go to jail for pressing R1. Enjoy!"
With mass media/internet desensitizing us to death, the majority of the 2 youngest generations dont care about death unless its someone they know. You'd be surprised how much death, murder, massacres and genocides your kid hears about before you ever let them play a fps.
Again, you're assuming causality here. A (denying access to mature media/content) does not always lead to B (wanting said media/content in excess.)

Again, for the majority, it does.
Reinforcing your own stereotypes of Americans with misguided conceptions will not support your argument here. You're reaching again. There's no causality. If I allow my child to play Call of Duty it is most likely not going to lead to "sensory overload" in which they will crave nothing but fragging n00bs for the rest of their lives.

Because we as americans are so precious, right? Nothing bad about us is ever true, only positive things about us should see the light of day. So lets call it a stereotype and play our dissenters off as ignorant or terrorists, it did us good during the Bush administration.

If you dont skew my words and go back to CoD as a scapegoat so you dont have to address what I said, once again, then what I said might be true. :LIn summary, I think you have a very defiant and anti-authoritian point of view, which unfortunately is skewing your entire argument with bias.

In summary, I think you have a very entitled and obey-every-law-without-question point of view, which unfortunately is skewing your entire argument with bias. c:Laws are not meant(to create fear and servitute)

Not the original laws created by the founding fathers under the constitution, but if you think politicizing religion isnt meant to create mass fear and servitute, you should probably pay more attention.

They are meant to protect society, and to create a world in which there are consequences for your actions by rule of law.

Which get abused for religous, political, and capitol gain.
You think *** marriage is illegal to "protect society"? You think a non-deadly substance like weed should be illegal and oxycoton/morphine should be used in its place for minor pain, for societies benefit? Have you not read any of the crazy laws from some places in the US? In my state alone there are laws that make left turns, women driving without their husbands or fathers permission, and saggy pants, illegal. But laws are laws, better start calling the cops on every woman I see behind the wheel.
It seems you are obsessed with arbitrary age limits when the actual issue at hand here are game rating guidelines. I'm saying a parent has a right to follow those guidelines, or they can let their 14 year old play Call of Duty. Either way, there's no "proper" way to do it. Thus: to each, their own.



Actually, yes there are right ways to do things. Saying you can do whatever you want because you choose not to think about it, is definately on the side of WRONG ways.

Again with the CoD, I understand we were talking about that in the beginning, but we moved onto general parenting and age laws, going back to video games is a cop out of the argument against parents being entitled to do what they want.

Teenagers not being allowed to play CoD is a joke. I understand if your hesitant wanting a 5 year old to play it, but at 14? REALLY?

Again, laws are not inherently right.
Just because there is a law to do or not do something, doesnt justify the action.
That being said, unrestricted access to every depravity and vice in this world is not the answer. That's just anarchy.

Im assuming you either dont know what Anarchy is, or choose to use the misenterpreted meaning.

Depravity is an opinion.



Reply is in red, too lazy to put extra quote tags.		2011-07-15 21:00:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Thank you people with brains! i totally agree with everything thats been said! my younger brother seems to think that playing LBP is kiddy! All he ever plays is COD. at least i have some creativity and immagination, COD is just shooting, knifing and blowing **** up. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but its certaintly no better than LBP2011-07-15 21:03:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well, that was a fun read!

All I have to say on the subject, is that apparently a small glass of red wine a day is actually good for you. I heard that from a doctor (though he probably owned a vineyard).

oh & BEST CoD ARGUMENT - EVER 		2011-07-15 21:21:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Ugh, I get that a lot as well. But after showing people the create mode, they just take back what they say.
I'm 18 and have been playing LBP since the first game came out. Even if I don't have the will at times to create intricate levels, I still like to kick back and mess around.

I mean, I enjoy COD and MAG as much as anyone else. (Well, MAG in my opinion is waaaaay more fun...)
But, It's nice to tune out the relentless gunfire for LBP... As long as the cool pages aren't filled with COD levels. :U		2011-07-16 15:27:00

Author:
Tmjtk
Posts: 258

blowing **** up.

You don't blow **** up in CoD.

You blow **** up in Red faction.

A good shooting game.		2011-07-17 17:31:00

Author:
Tecnoguy1
Posts: 206

Try more along the lines of 17-28% for the US. (roughly 84, 000/yr, which is down about 10,000 from the 90's)
Though I guess 72% is a vast majority, right?
But 51% is a majority too, so if 51% of children were sexually abused by their parents the other 49% doesnt exist, because its a majority. More bad logic

Wrong. I'd care to see your source, in fact. A 2007 study cited a 15-20% rate of rape in female adults. That's half the population, with the men bringing that number down significantly. And that's adults, not children. Indeed, when looking at sexual abuse (which is not the same as rape) it is commonly done by someone within the family, but I could not find statistics broken down by parent. Which means any family member could have (allegedly) perpetrated the act.

Regardless, you ignore the fact that none of it does anything to back up your point. Unless you're saying that a parent who prevents their child from playing a video game is equivalent to raping them. Is that what you're saying? (Or are you reaching again?)


Fun Fact: 86% of people in the US are religous.
Theres about 311 million people in the US.
So a bit under 267 million who are religous.
I dont think I have to explain this one Being religious != teaching shame about their bodies

Again, you missed the point and failed to prove your own. Point is, if there's nudity in a game and I don't want my kid playing it for that reason, it is completely fine for me to restrict that content from my child's view.



Wow.
Binge drinking kills brain cells and eats away at your liver, in moderation its actually good for you.
Though after that alcohol abuse scare psa you gave, I dont think you believe that. lol
Good, so you agree with my point that alcohol is not 100% healthy for you. Next.



Sadly the majority does.
Just because you dont, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.Again, care to cite a source that states the majority of Americans are diagnosed alcoholics and sex addicts? (Also, this is irrelevant to the topic at hand. You're reaching again.)


Sure, go back to games to make the point irrelavent and twist my words, again. Read the original post. That's what this topic is about.


Idk uh, because its a game and you're not shooting a real person? "Hey Johnny, you know what death is right? Killing people is wrong and you go to jail for it. This is a video game, its made of pixels, you wont go to jail for pressing R1. Enjoy!"
With mass media/internet desensitizing us to death, the majority of the 2 youngest generations dont care about death unless its someone they know. You'd be surprised how much death, murder, massacres and genocides your kid hears about before you ever let them play a fps.
So we should totally allow them, heck, even promote them to be exposed to more violence? You're starting to lose me here. Just because they get a healthy dose of the "real world" growing up doesn't mean we should promote and extend said exposure to violence.


Again, for the majority, it does.
Care to cite some studies or proof? You assume causality without providing proof. Denying access to mature media/content does not always lead to wanting said media/content in excess.


Because we as americans are so precious, right? Nothing bad about us is ever true, only positive things about us should see the light of day. So lets call it a stereotype and play our dissenters off as ignorant or terrorists, it did us good during the Bush administration.

If you dont skew my words and go back to CoD as a scapegoat so you dont have to address what I said, once again, then what I said might be true. :LI said you were incorrect, I didn't play the "Americans are holier than thou" card. Going back to CoD is going back to the original topic.


In summary, I think you have a very entitled and obey-every-law-without-question point of view, which unfortunately is skewing your entire argument with bias. c:And how does the phrase "To each, their own" match that completely off-base description? Never once did I say that laws are unquestionable or that we should accept them without debate, controversy or protest.


Not the original laws created by the founding fathers under the constitution, but if you think politicizing religion isnt meant to create mass fear and servitute, you should probably pay more attention. Sure, if we were talking about the Middle Ages. This is 2011, and you're free to subscribe to whatever religious beliefs you want. The founding fathers also "thought" women shouldn't own property or vote, and that a black man was only worth 3/5th that of a white man. So you have to give them credit where credit is due, but the constitution is hardly a faultless document. And they knew this. They could never have forseen what the future would look like in 200 years, which is why they set it up the way they did: a living, breathing, amendable document that grants federal powers and delegates the rest of the lawmaking to the states.


Teenagers not being allowed to play CoD is a joke. I understand if your hesitant wanting a 5 year old to play it, but at 14? REALLY?

Again, laws are not inherently right.
Just because there is a law to do or not do something, doesnt justify the action.
I'll say it again: to each, their own. Parents have a right to prevent or allow their children to play violent games at any age until they're a legal adult. You don't have to agree, and you can certainly judge, but it's their right. That's what I was trying to say.		2011-07-17 19:15:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Hey there, just last night, I was arguing with a (now) ex-friend. A little way into the argument, he said to me;


"Your so immature, your 16 and your playing a 7+ Cartoony game,looooooooooool"

Now, this kind of got me riled, but also thinking, how old is too old to play a game such as LBP? I know that many of the best creators are well into their adult lives and still play such a game. I think LBP has too much prejudice due to the way that it looks. Many people see sackboy and think "Oh, that's a kiddie game" or something along those lines. If this game had the exact physics and features, but was more 'grown up' it would be ever so popular among adults who don't want to be seen playing a 'kiddie's game' Although that would mean the game would lose it's charm.

I personally think, as long as you're having fun, it shouldn't matter. Whats your opinion?

Also, this kid (12 years old) also plays MW2, but only when his mum is out, how young is too young to play a game such as MW2 or similar?

Dude, I've seen movies and levels in LBP2 with a shedload of blood and gore, and loads of language. Maybe that would appeal to him.		2011-07-17 19:21:00

Author:
madmarsrocks
Posts: 83

I joined a random "Dive In" level last night - and the dude I joined was dressed up with Cupcake Breasts and some kind of sticker decoration for a prosthetic penis. He then started "humping" me.

He got the shock of his life when I put on my "Frankenfurter" costume and started to spank him.

Both of us were in absolute histerics - as were the two other sacks in the pod.

But, yeah - it's just a stupid game for kids 		2011-07-19 15:02:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Most of the pepole at school think LBP just SUCKS. They prefer anything related with death, killing, guns, and CLUB PENGUIN!?
They talk all day about their perks, their weapons, and their level in zombie mode.
And even more pepole don't know LBP exists.
Only two pepole I know from school play LBP...
But, really, how can they think club penguin is better than LBP?		2011-07-19 19:02:00

Author:
ALEXhatena
Posts: 1110

Club Penguin? What grade are you in? I hate to be a hypocrite when it comes to the whole purpose of this thread, but who are these Club Penguin people?2011-07-20 23:29:00

Author:
GameRoom
Posts: 200

This kind of thing annoys me too. Hate being told by a child im too old to play my playstation, i was probaly playing my ps1 while he was still just a glint in the milkman's eye. Plus i am feeling old, this year i will be a quater of a century2011-07-21 16:31:00

Author:
gigglecrab
Posts: 232

Woah, i think we should get back to what I said originally and not have wars over parenting, parents should be allowed to raise their child in the manner they see fit AS LONG AS it's beneficial to the kids. If we can't get back on topic, I'll have to look at getting this closed 2011-07-22 10:36:00

Author:
Bang126
Posts: 157

Woah, i think we should get back to what I said originally and not have wars over parenting, parents should be allowed to raise their child in the manner they see fit AS LONG AS it's beneficial to the kids. If we can't get back on topic, I'll have to look at getting this closed

I suppose I owe you a bit of an apology... I was partly responsible for fueling the argument over parenting. However, when you begin to talk about age-appropriateness and gaming guidelines, the parent is always going to be part of that conversation. Indeed, I'm very passionate when it comes to being a (relatively new) parent.

I think I've said enough on the subject and thensome, so it's only fair I leave your topic be.

*skedaddles*

2011-07-22 14:24:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

I suppose I owe you a bit of an apology... I was partly responsible for fueling the argument over parenting. However, when you begin to talk about age-appropriateness and gaming guidelines, the parent is always going to be part of that conversation. Indeed, I'm very passionate when it comes to being a (relatively new) parent.

I think I've said enough on the subject and thensome, so it's only fair I leave your topic be.

*skedaddles*



Don't worry about it, a good debate is..erm..good? And i can see why you would debate about something such as parenting. I'm 16, so im not a parent yet (going against the national trend FTW) but when i am, i would hate for someone to say something about the way i looked after my child, i can understand!! 		2011-07-22 16:24:00

Author:
Bang126
Posts: 157

It's like Call of Duty turns people stupid.2011-07-23 04:23:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

Lets just agree that not all parents are good, and not all parents are bad. Some good parents raise bad kids, some bad parents raise good kids. It is half being a good parent, half a roll of the dice. But I don't think video games make a bad child on their own. It takes an amalgam of bad parenting, violent media, and that special psychotic something to turn a person into a bad person.

NOW lets talk about how LBP is too adult for kids to play		2011-07-23 05:16:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

In many ways i think LBP is more mature than games like COD because it more than just shoot this and oooh a large explotion, its way more complex than any other game out in the market, especialy when you see what can be done with the logic. Plus the big one for me is that I can go online without having somebody swearing down the mike all the time (ive had some bad experiences in other games). Also TF2 has cartoony graphics doesn't make it a 'kiddies game' but the great thing about LBP is that you can decide on how your graphics will look, I played several levels today that didn't look cartoony at all2011-07-27 23:06:00

Author:
Megafig
Posts: 52

Heh its so funny... Playing LBP has opened my eyes quite a bit in regards to "maturity". I have seen several young children that are both mature and intelligent as well as some adults that are either immature or relatively dumb... Its quite sad really. I think its also pretty amazing that those who have kids and work full time still have time to put into their levels, lol it makes me feel lazy Personally I have always wanted to make music and videogames my entire life and I feel that LBP is a great creative outlet for things like depression.. One thing I get more often than "LBP is for kids" is that most of my friends think its stupid of me to put time into making stuff that Im not getting paid for XD My response is "You cant win this game and you will never see everyrhing, but if your good enough.. and somehow aquire the Molecule pin, then you have a job." Try finding another game thats has that kind of reward, but thats not why we make levels. We do it for ourselves and the community.2011-07-28 03:30:00

Author:
Dortr
Posts: 548

In the end, all that matters is if you are having fun. it's a game. it's a hobby.
your suppose to enjoy it. and if you are, then mission complete.
ignore any BS from others.		2011-07-28 04:12:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I'm going to be honest, I'm 13 years old, I love LBP 1, LBP 2, Call of Duty, Battlefield 2, Battlefield Bad Company and so on, but my parents are 44 years old and they to play LBP alone, or with me! Any kind of hobby has no age, I also play LBP, Loco Roco and Patapon on my PSP and my friends said to me "Are you retarded???" just for playing that! When I play Gran Turismo or something like that everyone gets like "Can I play?????? ".
I have a friend that plays LBP 1, but when someone said to him that LBP was not for that age he quite on LBP!

PS: Sorry if there are any grammar errors!		2011-07-28 18:08:00

Author:
Unknown User

Everyone these days makes snap judgements all the time based on looks mostly. Lbp is cute. So is patapon, Locoroco, etc. But they don't realise these games can be fun even though they arent hyper realistic ****. Blah. Screw those guys.2011-07-28 20:44:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

People don't understand the complexity of LBP and disregard it immediately based on its "kiddy" and handmade aesthetic. I think its sad, because these people think they are mature just because they are playing a game where blood and guts is flying all over the screen, while in most cases, LBP is the more mature game. Yes, it is very cutesy, but if people, such as nearly all of my friends, look past the aesthetic they will find a hard to learn, innovative, and complex masterpiece of a game that can easily suck hours away from your life.
Don't get me wrong, I do play games such as Bad Company 2 and Uncharted, but I can still enjoy LBP, and as of this moment it is my second favourite game of all time, behind Portal 2. People who take one glance at LBP and dismiss as "baby's first game" need to grow up and realise that maturity is not measured in the rating of a game.		2011-07-29 08:00:00

Author:
lbp2goty
Posts: 104

It's like Call of Duty turns people stupid.

i play call of dooty all the time n dont think i stupid

Joking.... I hate CoD


People don't understand the complexity of LBP and disregard it immediately based on its "kiddy" and handmade aesthetic. I think its sad, because these people think they are mature just because they are playing a game where blood and guts is flying all over the screen, while in most cases, LBP is the more mature game. Yes, it is very cutesy, but if people, such as nearly all of my friends, look past the aesthetic they will find a hard to learn, innovative, and complex masterpiece of a game that can easily suck hours away from your life.
Don't get me wrong, I do play games such as Bad Company 2 and Uncharted, but I can still enjoy LBP, and as of this moment it is my second favourite game of all time, behind Portal 2. People who take one glance at LBP and dismiss as "baby's first game" need to grow up and realise that maturity is not measured in the rating of a game.

You could argue that the more mature games are those that don't have to rely on cheap gimmicks like excessive gore, sex/nudity and constant swearing, and can still appeal to older gamers. LBP being one example, and also you could say that Portal 2 meets that criteria too.

You talk about the complexity. A kid couldn't make a fantastically complex level could he/she? Some of the logic you see on this game.... it's like basic programming. I wouldn't call it hard to learn though. The gameplay is simple and fun, and logic can be figured out by anyone with some intelligence.		2011-07-29 12:19:00

Author:
Ali_Star
Posts: 4085

Mwahaha, I hate it when little snotnosed brats tell you what to do.

This one 8-year-old on COD got his mother on the mic because I was trollin' him, I basically told her she was an idiot and a terrible parent for letting her child play that.

It was hilarious, you could hear him crying in the background, because she grounded him and took his game away.

But yeah, LBP is way more mature than some other games with constant sex, nudity, and gore. Take Duke Nukem Forever, for example. Simply horrid game, yet with all the components that was supposed to make it, "Mature."		2011-08-07 04:05:00

Author:
Rather Tasty
Posts: 57

There's an age where you can't play LBP anymore? Who came up with that? To be honest, if you can enjoy it, and it's not beyond what your mind can handle, then there's no reason not to play it.2011-08-07 04:34:00

Author:
Unknown User

This one 8-year-old on COD got his mother on the mic because I was trollin' him, I basically told her she was an idiot and a terrible parent for letting her child play that.

My friend did the exact same thing, only it was the kid's dad on the mic. I wish I was there to witness it personally, I got quite a laugh out of the story.		2011-08-07 04:36:00

Author:
xero
Posts: 2419

There's an age where you can't play LBP anymore? Who came up with that?

Probably the people who decided that playing M rated games means you're mature than a guy who plays E rated games.		2011-08-07 05:56:00

Author:
Chdonga
Posts: 388

You could argue that the more mature games are those that don't have to rely on cheap gimmicks like excessive gore, sex/nudity and constant swearing, and can still appeal to older gamers. LBP being one example, and also you could say that Portal 2 meets that criteria too.

You talk about the complexity. A kid couldn't make a fantastically complex level could he/she? Some of the logic you see on this game.... it's like basic programming. I wouldn't call it hard to learn though. The gameplay is simple and fun, and logic can be figured out by anyone with some intelligence.
Well, I would argue that logic can be as simple or as hard as you want it to be. Making advanced A.I that jumps, flies, dodges, shoots, takes cover etc. would be extremely hard to make, while an enemy that merely patrols and then attacks you when it senses you is a piece of cake.

Mwahaha, I hate it when little snotnosed brats tell you what to do.

This one 8-year-old on COD got his mother on the mic because I was trollin' him, I basically told her she was an idiot and a terrible parent for letting her child play that.

It was hilarious, you could hear him crying in the background, because she grounded him and took his game away.

But yeah, LBP is way more mature than some other games with constant sex, nudity, and gore. Take Duke Nukem Forever, for example. Simply horrid game, yet with all the components that was supposed to make it, "Mature."
LOL, It's ridiculous how many kids play COD just because "everyone else has it!" It's a really bad influence on them at that age. And Duke Nukem, don't even get me started on that one......shocking		2011-08-07 06:11:00

Author:
lbp2goty
Posts: 104

How old is too old? Surely you mean how young is too young. 2011-08-07 06:23:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

I have been told plenty of times by kids on LBP that I'm too old to be playing it. I'm 26 I might add. I never once thought about it being a "kiddie" game either. It's just a fun game for play to me. I like the challenge of creating levels and the sense of pride when I finally publish one knowing that I was the one who created that. I do indeed have a normal life outside of video games, but this is what I love to do. A little off topic, but not too much: I was told by an 11 year old on Red Dead Redemption that I was too old to be playing that game. Mind you, it has an M-rating, which technically meant the 11 year old telling me this had less of a right than me to be playing it.2011-08-07 06:43:00

Author:
InfiniteTwilight
Posts: 159

I'm 28 and a father. I think LBP is great to keep the mind stimulated. When my boy is old enough I hope he chooses to play LBP over games like COD, because he has more to learn from LBP opposed to headshots.

However I do get tired of the childesh nature of it, as I want a more serious setup. It's also not as rewarding making levels where the majority of players are kids that don't appreciate my efforts. That's why I'm tying to find friends that are at my state of mind, so we can appretiate each others efforts together.		2011-08-08 01:59:00

Author:
clarkdef
Posts: 138

However I do get tired of the childesh nature of it, as I want a more serious setup. It's also not as rewarding making levels where the majority of players are kids that don't appreciate my efforts. That's why I'm tying to find friends that are at my state of mind, so we can appretiate each others efforts together.

You hit the nail on the head. I feel the same way-- the fact that kill Justin Beiber levels ended up on the cool pages and have hundreds of thousands of plays whereas my Heavy Metal level is less than 150 plays disgusts me.		2011-08-08 02:52:00

Author:
xero
Posts: 2419

There's no upper age limit on a game like LBP. Why would there be? Your friend is simply being ignorant.2011-08-08 03:14:00

Author:
alexbull_uk
Posts: 1287

Well there's a stigma playing games which have low age ratings. I've played 3+ rated games but as long as you enjoy the game, no one should care. I've play lbp for the sheer diversity of potential creativity available. I also find that lbp2 is great for professional developmental skills within software and video game development because many features are borrowed from these fields.2011-08-08 03:26:00

Author:
PerfectlyDarkTails
Posts: 269


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