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Osama Bin Laden has been killed by U.S. Action

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May the souls of 9-11 rest in peace. Bin Laden is Dead.2011-05-02 03:51:00

Author:
KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

Ah, you beat me to the punch.2011-05-02 03:59:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

If you don't flip to CNN or some other major news channel, that's where the president will be streaming shortly.		2011-05-02 04:01:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

Yes. Dead. He has been killed by U.S. action. We have his body. President Obama will make a statement shortly.

Link. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852646#42852646) Live NBC.
Link. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676) BBC

This is a symbolic moment; perhaps the end of an era. The Arab revolutions, now the death of Osama. Is the Era of Terrorism finally over?
Uhm, before you edited you said "is this really what we wanted?" Which side are you on?		2011-05-02 04:02:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

It is a good thing that Osama is finally dead. However... I fear that he'll only become a martyr and give the terrorist groups only more reason to keep making attacks against Westernized culture. If anything, I feel that his death was only a tiny step in this long process of cleaning this problem up, and that things will get ugly before they get better...

Let's hope I'm wrong.		2011-05-02 04:03:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Yea lets not forget, these people don't value life so much.2011-05-02 04:05:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

Uhm, before you edited you said "is this really what we wanted?" Which side are you on?

I just thought that it was unfortunate that we had to fight for all these years in the first place. But, you can't change the past. Fortunately, now that Osama is dead, we can move on to the future.

I edited out that comment because I realized it could be interpreted in a way that I didn't intend.		2011-05-02 04:07:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

I was just about to make a thread about this too. XD

I'm watchin' the news right now, and I have to say..."I am so glad that the worst part is over!"		2011-05-02 04:13:00

Author:
theonlybub
Posts: 690

Thanks for the heads up. Justice served after nearly a decade....?2011-05-02 04:13:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

I'm putting the significance of this event into question. If they were using him as more of a psychological threat than an actual leader, then this wouldn't do anything. That, and his only affiliation was with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Let's not forget Hamas, the Somalian pirates, the Palestinian Liberation Army, the American street gangs, Gaddafi's forces, the Lord's Resistance Army in central Africa, the guerrillas in South-East Asia, North Korea, Cuba, Mexican drug traffickers, and all of the other terrorist organizations littered all over the world...

Our problems are far from over. He might be dead, but now we have to deal with his spawn.		2011-05-02 04:22:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

None of the networks seem to agree on the circumstances of his death other than most of them agreeing it happened in Pakistan. Waiting for Obama's statement.2011-05-02 04:23:00

Author:
Patronus21
Posts: 266

Let's hope they don't strike back. That's what the news is talking about.2011-05-02 04:26:00

Author:
METALPUNKS
Posts: 306

It is a good thing that Osama is finally dead. However... I fear that he'll only become a martyr and give the terrorist groups only more reason to keep making attacks against Westernized culture. If anything, I feel that his death was only a tiny step in this long process of cleaning this problem up, and that things will get ugly before they get better...
my sentiments exactly. Now worried about repercussions this may insight.


Let's hope I'm wrong.
Indeed. I pray you are.		2011-05-02 04:28:00

Author:
biorogue
Posts: 8424

I'm watching abc news 'bout this and I am relieved.

This guy was sending kids to be suicide bombers. >_<		2011-05-02 04:33:00

Author:
JspOt
Posts: 3607

President's on!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live		2011-05-02 04:36:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

This had to happen, repercussions or not. Lets not forget the multiple attacks that have been thwarted by the U.S. and our allies since without killing Osama. This is a step ahead in the right direction, I truly believe this.2011-05-02 04:37:00

Author:
KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

Watching Obama now...
9/11 is avenged.

EDIT: killed him with no American casualities? Woah.		2011-05-02 04:38:00

Author:
JspOt
Posts: 3607

killed him with no American casualities? Woah.


indeed... some serious stuff there		2011-05-02 04:45:00

Author:
theswweet
Posts: 2468

SUPPOSEDLY dead, they still havent proven it. They just said he's dead, until they show pics or a body, its just words.2011-05-02 04:49:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

This feels so surreal. Come back from my field trip, watch the news, Osama is dead.2011-05-02 04:50:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

dang it i was gona post this2011-05-02 04:51:00

Author:
ryder356
Posts: 409

http://twend.it/Osama Bin Laden (http://twend.it/Osama%20Bin%20Laden)

Woah, look at the twitter trends.		2011-05-02 04:52:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

Well, you guys just witnessed history if you watched the presidential speech. I still remember watching it go down in the first place. Wow.2011-05-02 04:53:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

I'm not believing it until I get a long-form death certificate.2011-05-02 04:54:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

Because obviously the U.S. government is lying about this, just like they lied about the Moon Landing.

Who do they think they are, authoritative figures? Pfft.		2011-05-02 05:09:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

woo hoo!!!!!!2011-05-02 05:09:00

Author:
aceofthorns
Posts: 288

We got 'em.

:B		2011-05-02 05:12:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129

I say every family member that lost someone in the two towers destruction gets to pee all over his face.2011-05-02 05:21:00

Author:
ATMLVE
Posts: 1177

Glad he's gone.2011-05-02 05:28:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983

Hes dead, QUICK lets reenact the last scene in Return of the Jedi!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHX3mAbyrs		2011-05-02 05:32:00

Author:
wait wtf
Posts: 853

May the souls of 9-11 rest in peace. Bin Laden is Dead.

(DANG! You bead me to posting this!) Anyway, I cant take you seriouslywith your avatar staring me in the face lol.		2011-05-02 05:40:00

Author:
nk827
Posts: 193

Pretty momentous.

My only hope is that leaders see this as "Job Done" and get all our service men and women right out of that area. We have no purpose being there. If this is considered a 'victory', so be it, whatever makes them happy. I wish more politicians would read up on middle eastern history, especially Afghanistan. No one has ever been able to keep it stable, and no one ever will. Certainly not for a long, long time anyway.

I'm really hoping this changes things, it would mean a friend of mine wouldn't have to go over there to do the worst job, checking for I.E.D's.

EDIT: Misread Pakistan for Afghanistan, but my view still stands the same.		2011-05-02 06:20:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

Pretty momentous.

My only hope is that leaders see this as "Job Done" and get all our service men and women right out of that area. We have no purpose being there. If this is considered a 'victory', so be it, whatever makes them happy. I wish more politicians would read up on middle eastern history, especially Afghanistan. No one has ever been able to keep it stable, and no one ever will. Certainly not for a long, long time anyway.

I'm really hoping this changes things, it would mean a friend of mine wouldn't have to go over there to do the worst job, checking for I.E.D's.

EDIT: Misread Pakistan for Afghanistan, but my view still stands the same.

Oh no. Are you kidding me?

Just because Osama's dead now doesn't mean that the war is over. We still don't have a clear idea on what'll happen now. We don't know if the terrorist groups will collapse or strengthen their resolves... or even just keep on doing what they've been doing. For all I know about this campaign in the Middle East, we're not leaving until we're certain that the US' security is restored to pre-9/11 levels.		2011-05-02 06:28:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Oh no. Are you kidding me?

Just because Osama's dead now doesn't mean that the war is over. We still don't have a clear idea on what'll happen now. We don't know if the terrorist groups will collapse or strengthen their resolves... or even just keep on doing what they've been doing. For all I know about this campaign in the Middle East, we're not leaving until we're certain that the US' security is restored to pre-9/11 levels.

Did I say it was? I was being optimistic, maybe overly so. I'm just hoping this will cause some sort of rift in Al Qaeda leadership, causing them to dispand. But, like you said, maybe it will make everything worse. Only time will tell.

Also, You = US Me = UK. The US may still have there own reasons for staying out there, but the way I see it, the UK has no business being over there anymore.		2011-05-02 06:43:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

Oh no. Are you kidding me?

Just because Osama's dead now doesn't mean that the war is over. We still don't have a clear idea on what'll happen now. We don't know if the terrorist groups will collapse or strengthen their resolves... or even just keep on doing what they've been doing. For all I know about this campaign in the Middle East, we're not leaving until we're certain that the US' security is restored to pre-9/11 levels.
agreed and besides Osama's been dead for years		2011-05-02 06:52:00

Author:
jimydog000
Posts: 813

well...guess there's no scapegoat to distract from the oil harvesting

still strange news to have happened in 5/1/11....but glad it happened nonetheless

EDIT: lol sounds like this was no coincidence....Department of homeland security getting involved...it's obvious guys...we should be thanking the hackers that hacked the PSN...if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have traced Osama's PSN to his hideout 		2011-05-02 06:55:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Osama hasnt been important to Al-Queda for years, him being dead changes nothing. It just makes people effected by 9/11 happy.


I would make an Osama/911 joke buuut, that would be insta-ban for me :l		2011-05-02 07:32:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Can't believe I cried when I heard the news.

I don't believe in revenging murder by murdering the murderer, but when I thought about all those innocent people in the towers that day and the planes just going about their day like normal only to suddenly lose their lives and all the other terrorist attacks he's done prior to that and sending children as suicide bombers . . . and . . . I couldn't help but feel happy, such joy, I cried. I'm still teary eyed. I feel guilty for being happy someone was killed.

But after everything he's done with murder on the scale he's committed, I just . . . I feel confident that if there is a higher power that we cannot be looked at as wrong for being happy, and no I'm not religious.

I'm not even sure if anything I'm saying is making sense, I'm full of a lot of emotions right now.		2011-05-02 07:59:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

I usually wouldn't jump up and down with joy when people die, but this (can't say on the internet) is dead so yipee!2011-05-02 08:15:00

Author:
Unknown User

took you americans awhile lol2011-05-02 08:51:00

Author:
PPp_Killer
Posts: 449

Osama Bin Laden - World Champion of Hide and Seek. (2001-2011)2011-05-02 08:55:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Osama Bin Laden - World Champion of Hide and Seek. (2001-2011)

I read that same comment you posted somewhere else online. I'm experiencing dejavu. Thanks whaaaaaaaaaaaaaale! . . . for messing with my head for a moment. ^^		2011-05-02 09:02:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Osama Bin Laden - World Champion of Hide and Seek. (2001-2011)

Quick, someone make the Black Ops K/D joke!
If I do it i'll get banned, someone else do it for me! 		2011-05-02 09:05:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Osama Bin Laden - World Champion of Hide and Seek. (2001-2011)

Looks like Maddy Mccann's our new champion...		2011-05-02 09:22:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

*Browsing forum, opens thread, looks up at news and sees this story is being told as I post this.*
O_o



Now we just need to find Obama's promised "change" and we're all set.
(Oh wait, wasn't Obama's new turn going against immigrants to gain enough votes for a re-election?)		2011-05-02 10:14:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I'm probably going to get branded as a conspiracy theorist but Islamabad is 1500 miles from any sort of sea, Which means that he was killed a long time before.

then why would they not let us see the body, perform a autopsy etc?

because he probably killed himself, I doubt that anyone (Except Ninjas) could scale a 14 foot wall past all his security then get into his house and manage to kill him without even raising an alarm.		2011-05-02 11:25:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I bet those soldiers are like "Did we just kill Bin Laden?" "Oh my god we did!" "PARTY TIME!" or something.
Worst case scenario - Someone worse might take over Al-quaeda or whatever Bin Laden was in charge of. Just a thought??		2011-05-02 11:37:00

Author:
Jakest123
Posts: 319

I bet those soldiers are like "Did we just kill Bin Laden?" "Oh my god we did!" "PARTY TIME!" or something.
Worst case scenario - Someone worse might take over Al-quaeda or whatever Bin Laden was in charge of. Just a thought??

Yes because Murder is something to Party about.		2011-05-02 11:38:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I'm more nervous his death is going to anger several other extremists.2011-05-02 11:54:00

Author:
standby250
Posts: 1113

Lol maybe they found him him through his psn account xD,

Jk but it's a good thing he is dead...		2011-05-02 12:06:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

If he really is dead, or has been dead, I'm happy all the same.2011-05-02 12:13:00

Author:
Denim360
Posts: 482

Everyone is celebrating the fact Osama Bin Laden is dead do you not see how many attacks America and Britain are going to face now for revenge on killing the leader of muslim extremists.2011-05-02 12:17:00

Author:
Unknown User

America and Britain
Hey don't drag us into this 		2011-05-02 12:26:00

Author:
ARD
Posts: 4291

We kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong.
I think it was a bad move personally.		2011-05-02 12:38:00

Author:
Alismuffin
Posts: 1328

We kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong.
I think it was a bad move personally.

He was dangerous though, the Americans killed him to neutralise him.		2011-05-02 13:51:00

Author:
Radishlord
Posts: 706

The guy that started the whole stereo-type about my religion is dead? Thats good news for muslims and americans alike everywhere 2011-05-02 14:02:00

Author:
Tawarf
Posts: 457

Isn't it strange that shortly after our personal details on PSN are leaked Osama Bin Laden is found?

That's what you get for using you're real address on your PlayStation account I guess...

.....so errrr....yays......my life is mildly improved in some way that I have not come to realise yet?		2011-05-02 14:06:00

Author:
MrFunctionality
Posts: 637

Bin Laden's "Palace" did not have internet connection or phone lines, so that he could not be tracked down that way. It was through the use of his "solidiers" that he could understand what was happening around him. The US Army tracked down some of these "couriers", and followed them to the hideout.2011-05-02 14:20:00

Author:
standby250
Posts: 1113

This is just all ******** until they show us real pictures of him dead.2011-05-02 14:52:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

Bin Laden's "Palace" did not have internet connection or phone lines, so that he could not be tracked down that way. It was through the use of his "solidiers" that he could understand what was happening around him. The US Army tracked down some of these "couriers", and followed them to the hideout.

Awh, after reading this, I don't feel like making a long statement on how Osama was found after he hacked Playstation Network and tried to wire all the credit card information. But I guess that's a bit out of reach now. :sad:

Anyway, at least he's out of the way, if he is out of the way, or if he has been out of the way. Can't tell anymore after reading all these posts.		2011-05-02 14:52:00

Author:
Tmjtk
Posts: 258

This is just all ******** until they show us real pictures of him dead.

Hmmm... I know what you mean, but I doubt they would do that - seeing as it's slightly morbid. They buried him at sea so that people don't go to visit his grave - that way it avoids followers digging him up and so forth, and people who dislike him blowing up the grave / protesting etc.

They probably took a finger or something to test for fingerprints/DNA to confirm the match.



We kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong.
I think it was a bad move personally.

See, problem is, if they took him alive, there would be a massive risk of his followers kidnapping people /threatening etc to try to bargain for his release. That would have more risk to millions of innocent citizens of different countries, as opposed to putting down one person who deserved it - and if he'd gone to court, he probably would have got the death sentence anyway.		2011-05-02 15:14:00

Author:
standby250
Posts: 1113

Saddam Hussein ☑ Osama Bin Laden ☑ Justin Bieber ☐2011-05-02 15:16:00

Author:
howMUCHforBOUNTY
Posts: 623

Also, everyone saying "Y U NO SHOW BODY?!"

Do realize the U.S. media IS extremely censored and confidential when it comes to that sort of stuff, they will not show bodies or any of the sort if possible.

Altho, i don't know if any other media got there, I also highly doubt they allowed pretty much anyone unauthorized to get even close to it, considering who he is, you know, to try to avoid any incidents.		2011-05-02 15:34:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Hmmm... I know what you mean, but I doubt they would do that - seeing as it's slightly morbid. They buried him at sea so that people don't go to visit his grave - that way it avoids followers digging him up and so forth, and people who dislike him blowing up the grave / protesting etc.



and so they can't show the suicide bullet wound.		2011-05-02 15:41:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

.

$25 Million bounty aparently.		2011-05-02 15:51:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Tche, for something like that, it may as well been a bounty hunter getting him, of course deal being letting them say it was the Army that took him down.2011-05-02 15:54:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMP7Ys57ha4&feature=player_embedded2011-05-02 15:57:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Bin Laden's "Palace" did not have internet connection or phone lines, so that he could not be tracked down that way. It was through the use of his "solidiers" that he could understand what was happening around him. The US Army tracked down some of these "couriers", and followed them to the hideout.

I was kidding. I don't genuinely believe he had a psn account obviously 		2011-05-02 15:59:00

Author:
MrFunctionality
Posts: 637

Osama Bin Laden - World Champion of Hide and Seek. (2001-2011)

Hey no fair Bigfoot is still playing!!		2011-05-02 16:05:00

Author:
wait wtf
Posts: 853

This all reminds me of South Park...

*Warning: 18+ advised*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fm43Gfq0mE		2011-05-02 16:05:00

Author:
Nurolight
Posts: 918

Unfortunately I don't think this will make the World a better place.
I expect some bad retaliation in the next days 		2011-05-02 16:13:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

My popularity on the forums was starting to wane, so I went out and killed a notorious internet troll this morning. I've already disposed of the body, so I can't actually prove it...but you all believe me, right? Of course you do!

Yay, I'm a hero! Now you can all start repping my posts again!

Sorry to rain on the parade, but propaganda is a powerful tool and the stench of bull weighs heavily on the air today

(I had to lol this morning though, when Sky News made the greatest typo ever and reported the death of "Obama")		2011-05-02 16:21:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

My popularity on the forums was starting to wane, so I went out and killed a notorious internet troll this morning. I've already disposed of the body, so I can't actually prove it...but you all believe me, right? Of course you do!

Yay, I'm a hero! Now you can all start repping my posts again!

Sorry to rain on the parade, but propaganda is a powerful tool and the stench of bull weighs heavily on the air today

(I had to lol this morning though, when Sky News made the greatest typo ever and reported the death of "Obama")

But when you can Flood the TV Networks with Propaganderous Bull why not? Its a lot easier than flying over cities dropping leaflets 		2011-05-02 16:46:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Osama got 360 no scoped.2011-05-02 16:49:00

Author:
aceofthorns
Posts: 288

As I said, his death is pointless, be it true or not.2011-05-02 16:54:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Osama got 360 no scoped.

actually from what we've been told its more like one of the soldiers ran up a 14 foot wall leapt graciously off the edge of it and smashed through the roof killing Osama with his feet without raising a single alarm.

2011-05-02 16:55:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

As I said, his death is pointless, be it true or not.

It is far from pointless, the USA have managed to take down this incredible cruel symbolic man he may not have been leader of attacks recently but with killing him it gives the families whom have lost loved ones in terror attacks a sense of justice. It also shows that no matter who you are, what you have done, justice will be done		2011-05-02 17:18:00

Author:
OriginalCreator
Posts: 217

Tche, for something like that, it may as well been a bounty hunter getting him, of course deal being letting them say it was the Army that took him down.

I found the killer.
http://www.vegansoapbox.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/squirrel_with_machine_gun.jpg
IM GONNA OWN HIM!!!		2011-05-02 17:30:00

Author:
nysudyrgh
Posts: 5482

his death is pointless.

Indeed. I'm gonna get on a plane on Thursday morning and I'm willing to put money on the fact that I still have to put miniature toiletries into silly little (apparently explosion-proof) plastic bags. I think we all know who's winning the war on terror...		2011-05-02 17:32:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

actually from what we've been told its more like one of the soldiers ran up a 14 foot wall leapt graciously off the edge of it and smashed through the roof killing Osama with his feet without raising a single alarm.


He was killed by Sam Fisher?		2011-05-02 18:21:00

Author:
Ayneh
Posts: 2454

Sooo... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_10_Most_Wanted < Who is next?2011-05-02 18:25:00

Author:
moonwire
Posts: 1627

Sooo... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_10_Most_Wanted < Who is next?

You do realise that now that Osama Bin Laden is Dead, We've all gone up 1 place on the Worlds Most Wanted?		2011-05-02 18:37:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

You do realise that now that Osama Bin Laden is Dead, We've all gone up 1 place on the Worlds Most Wanted?

We all? I doubt that. I'd guess USA is 1. >_>		2011-05-02 18:44:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

We all? I doubt that. I'd guess USA is 1. >_>

You misunderstand me, Because theres 1 less person we've all gone up one place, like if someone got disqualified who came first, and you were second, You'd become 1st.		2011-05-02 18:48:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

You misunderstand me, Because theres 1 less person we've all gone up one place, like if someone got disqualified who came first, and you were second, You'd become 1st.

Ohz, I read it once. Read it again and I understood what you mean. >_____>		2011-05-02 18:51:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

One man is dead but unfortunately his legacy remains.
Who's gonna take his place, how will he act?
Will he be more cruel, more sadistic, more crazy?
Will AlQaeda separate into smaller and more dangerous clusters?
That's a paradox but I start to feel way less safe now, after a lot of years where fortunately nothing major happened		2011-05-02 18:55:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Sooo... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_10_Most_Wanted < Who is next?


Joseph McCool

Nice name.		2011-05-02 19:00:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Indeed. I'm gonna get on a plane on Thursday morning and I'm willing to put money on the fact that I still have to put miniature toiletries into silly little (apparently explosion-proof) plastic bags. I think we all know who's winning the war on terror...

well...I'm glad it's still done to make sure my nieces are still alive...but then again nobody ever appreciates the job I do and what I put up with I guess :/

p.s. - the 2-3 psn jokes are already late I got in here first so BOOYAH! hahaha		2011-05-02 20:15:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. We should not celebrate the death of a person, no matter what he did.

Please don't hate on me - that's just my opinion.		2011-05-02 20:20:00

Author:
Plasmavore
Posts: 1913

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMP7Ys57ha4&feature=player_embedded

Lol, wow, that is sad, but very funny. That was obviously done on purpose, whether whoever put it on the teleprompter did it or the guy reading changed it himself for humor purposes.		2011-05-02 20:25:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

oh and for people wanting to see the proof just google "osama dead" [WARNING THE PICTURE IS KINDA GRAPHIC SO VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK] and check the images for the obvious one....take it as you will...but that's the supposed pic and since he was shot in the head it looks accurate to me.2011-05-02 20:26:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

oh and for people wanting to see the proof just google "osama dead" [WARNING THE PICTURE IS KINDA GRAPHIC SO VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK] and check the images for the obvious one....take it as you will...but that's the supposed pic and since he was shot in the head it looks accurate to me.

If you're talking about the one that's released in media and the picture that's 90% of the pictures that show up on google, then that's the fake one. I got proof for it, but it's family forum so I can't post it. :/		2011-05-02 20:32:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

someone said it was shooped but tbh I thought hell just post it here and see if the same opinion arises...now its confirmed i see2011-05-02 20:33:00

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Shadowcrazy
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Heh, you could just do the same google search and scroll ever so slightly beyond the fold and look at the side by side original and photoshopped versions.


Srsly intornetz - "pics or it didn't happen" is for teh n00bs....		2011-05-02 20:36:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

^ thanks for getting here 2 minutes late sir when it's already established :/

lol		2011-05-02 20:38:00

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Shadowcrazy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbk8pq2LroI&feature=feedu

As for my feelings towards this; great, he's dead, now let's move on. There's no need to go out and buy a cake to celebrate.		2011-05-02 20:44:00

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Kog
Posts: 2358

I lol'd at that..... sorry.

But tbh, celebrating this is really really stupid. We killed a figurehead. Big deal.

(btw, I could go all conspiracy-theorist on yu guize and show you proof that the Bin Laden that planned the 9/11 attacks died sometime between 2001-2009, but I don't wanna find teh links)		2011-05-02 20:49:00

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Jaslow
Posts: 775

okay I'll be the one to reply to the latest posts..

NOFUNALLOWED.JPG

2011-05-02 20:53:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Obviously there is some division among us all here on the nature of this. I'll input my thoughts.

Primarily, whether it was right to kill the dude at all. There's various factors here, but mainly remember we're dealing with a fanatic. It's certain Osama was involved in the firefight, and in this case it would have probably endangered the lives of American soldiers to try and neutralize him. It is nonetheless regrettable, since capture would have allowed for interrogation and he chance to sentence him under the American/International Court justice system - merciful, yes, but what better insult to this terrorist than to show him our dignity in the face of his actions.And do not mistake killing thousands for the goals or hate, and killing one for the serving of justice.

Two, whether is mattered at all. In this case many people have a point in that this will obviously not end the War on Terror, not by a long shot. HOWEVER, I don't think that we should shy away from dishing out deserved justice merely because they might retaliate. For one, they've kept going at their activities regardless of our actions, and two, if we don't show them who's boss due to fear... isn't that their aim? To freeze us in fear? Don't worry, we're much more on the ball than we were 10 years ago.

And maybe it won't deal a big blow to the terrorists, but a criminal got what he deserved.

And whether he was killed at all. Come on. For one, the U.S. Governmen is not one to throw out such a lie. And come on - would they pull this bluff after being internationally embarrassed by their inability to find him? If it were a lie, it would have been done at least two years ago.		2011-05-02 21:03:00

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Astrosimi
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/119/487/229221_219858688026179_100000061492744_944819_5317 185_n.jpg?13043652612011-05-02 21:20:00

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CyberSora
Posts: 5551

For one, the U.S. Governmen is not one to throw out such a lie.


You my friend, underestimate the U.S governments ability to lie.		2011-05-02 21:32:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

You my friend, underestimate the U.S governments ability to lie.

Perhaps, but my other points still stand.		2011-05-02 21:36:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

Well I don't see how him dieing should be a celebration. Any human being being killed is really a terrible thing. It is a terrible thing that we have all this killing going on. The fact that 3000 people were killed on 9/11 and that caused the US to go to the middle east.
It's hard to grasp the fact that we had to kill many to kill him. All those people we killed getting to him may have had a wife and children at home, not much different how many of our marines are. Al Qaeda may be a terrorist group that many people hate because of 9/11, but they are humans also. Even though about 3000 people were lost on 9/11, that number is no where close to how much have been lost from the U.S, Iraq, and Afghanistan the past 10 years.

No side wins in war, it's just constant murder. 18 year olds get recruited and some die. 18 may seem old but really at 18 your life hasn't even started yet. People may celebrate Osama dieing, but if it causes retaliation in the Middle East we may need more soldiers and things could get violent, and US soldiers may die.
Death is not to be celebrated,

Basically by Killing Osama Bin Laden

We threw a match in the Forest.		2011-05-02 21:41:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

We threw a match in the Forest.

i think its more along the lines of: we removed a match from a already burning fire		2011-05-02 21:56:00

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Kern
Posts: 5078

actually from what we've been told its more like one of the soldiers ran up a 14 foot wall leapt graciously off the edge of it and smashed through the roof killing Osama with his feet without raising a single alarm.



Hmm...that method of killing...it could only been one person...
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSK1YhdV3xkEV8fuHDlG2OyPiIvv049m m3dS2pk2braOnSR2lf2kA&t=1
Its-a Him, Mario!


Anywho, sad thing is, even in his death, or more like because of it, he has the U.S. still at his knees scared to death for retaliation fro the other side.

You know when a dead terrorist can still inflict terror upon a nation, that it is a victory for terrorism.


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgdmGlsKoIS3ZgE39JtkRYKEMeFrHuI Q8QCvQtZgJWzBAjuxGpWg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eJV4lIaHh3Q/TTmrS20JxsI/AAAAAAAAAAU/h8KMZ3v2zqc/s1600/achmed3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ibtesama.info/iql.php%3Fq%3Dachmed-the-dead-terrorist-doll&usg=__5zi7ijREQdZyhtJSDkXYUTaK2Yk=&h=271&w=512&sz=68&hl=en&start=26&zoom=1&tbnid=kJq-B8FCx3MprM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=197&ei=cT2_TZ3dCc-r8QOQp527BQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dachmed%2Bthe%2Bdead%2Bterrorist%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DSii%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D868%26bih%3D624%26addh%3D36%26 tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=112&vpy=289&dur=2146&hovh=163&hovw=309&tx=194&ty=88&page=3&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:26)
^Osama
v U.S.A.
http://files.sharenator.com/okay_face_RE_Demotivationals-s251x239-157585-580.jpg		2011-05-03 00:26:00

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Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Btw @kernelM,
You do know he was killed in a mansion right, it's not like our troops had to scale a 40 foot wall.		2011-05-03 00:40:00

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fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

I remember reporting to work wearing a surgical mask for a long time after that unsuccessful attempt to use the Pentagon as an airstrip.
The memories never die. The hope that, like Saddam Hussein, we would see the humiliating end of this *******, remained.
The monster who destroyed lives, shattered dreams and stole hope from so many, disappeared that night.
Like some monstrous vampire, he took a bite out of our necks, and vanished.
A decade later, we hear that the vampire has been slain, his corpse withering in the darkness, never to be seen again.
To me, he simply disappeared into the mist once again. Whatever satisfaction I may have found with witnessing his
final justice has been stolen, and I am left to empty words and assurances that the monster is gone.
Somehow I do not feel joy, merely doubt and emptiness.		2011-05-03 01:12:00

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Unknown User

...so are you happy he's gone or what?2011-05-03 01:30:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

1) Go to 4chan's /b/ section.
2) ???
3) PROFIT!!!		2011-05-03 05:20:00

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CyberSora
Posts: 5551

Well I know Obama is happy at least. He's had a very fortunate last few days and the chances of any opponent who hopes to try to beat him in the next election have taken a dive (not that the field was much to write home about mind you).

On the opposite end of the spectrum, the Pakistani government has been humiliated. They had Bin Laden literally in their backyard next to a military training camp in a cushy mansion rather then a cave. Whether they knew he was there or didn't they either come off as untrustworthy to everyone who was opposed to al-Qaeda or completely inept in not noticing the world's most wanted man was right under their nose.

I personally don't know what to feel. I do feel he ultimately got what he had coming but the real question is whether America can metaphorically put his head on a pike atop the castle ramparts better then his followers and allies use his corpse as a lightning rod.		2011-05-03 05:53:00

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Dapiek Absaroka
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http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-you-rock-obama.jpg2011-05-03 07:45:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Anyway...accepting that Osama has been taken down..my take on the body...
Bin Laden has not been killed yesterday but some days ago, but it hasn't been shown earlier to avoid attacks on the Royal wedding and the late Pope sanctification.
Thus the body hasn't been showed because it was already decaying.		2011-05-03 07:50:00

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OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Anyway...accepting that Osama has been taken down..my take on the body...
Bin Laden has not been killed yesterday but some days ago, but it hasn't been shown earlier to avoid attacks on the Royal wedding and the late Pope sanctification.
Thus the body hasn't been showed because it was already decaying.

They wouldn't show the body either way my friend. It has nothing to do with the time he was killed.		2011-05-03 08:23:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Thus the body hasn't been showed because it was already decaying.


It was shown, wasn't it? A pakistani news channel showed a picture!
We saw it here.

I'm sorry, I'm not very informed on the subject, it was rumoured that the picture was fake...... but it was pretty realistic.












Now, Osama is a matyr.

He will have more support than ever.		2011-05-03 08:25:00

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tomodon246
Posts: 624

Okay so I mean I dont want to seem like a Conspiracy nut, but I don't believe it. First the stories say he was killed last week, then Obama says it was earlier yesterday. Then hes buried at sea way too soon. and no ones seen a picture of his body.

Now I don't think he's alive either...

What I think: Osama was critically ill and needed constant dialysis. He was in pakastan (which I kinda figured since no one ever saw him in afghanistan.) So since the US couldn't invade pakastan what with all the nukes and stuff, We just waited in Afghanistan. When He finally died from natural causes, someone in pakastan called the white house and Obama took credit for it. everybody wins...

Obama gets a ratings boost from killing public enemy number one...

We get to think that Osama was killed by Americans.

The terrorists get to have even more reasons to hate and miss trust westerners.

I don't know really, Something just doesn't feel right about it. It all happened too fast, and I REALLY feel the need to see his dead body before I believe it.

and they haven't released the films or pictures of the burial at sea, or of his body because they don't want to be disrespectful and **** off (american term) the terrorists... Yea we don't want make those people mad... those people who crash planes into buildings and blow up subways and what not... because them hating us and not acknowledging that we have a right to exist would be soo much worse if they felt we had somehow disrespected that guy... the one we shot in the head and threw off a boat.. Eff that. this whole story is complete BS..

Sorry for rambling or whatever.. Its 3 AM..

Oh New theory, what if it turns out this is all somehow related to the PSN downtime?		2011-05-03 08:33:00

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Madafaku
Posts: 738

They wouldn't show the body either way my friend. It has nothing to do with the time he was killed.

You mean we don't take the heads of our enemies, put them on pikes and parade them around town, before mounting them on the city walls so all can tremble before our might and power any more? Jeez, when it gets to the point that you can't have even a little bit of fun with the corpses of your enemies, that's you know the world has got too uptight 		2011-05-03 08:46:00

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rtm223
Posts: 6497

Ok, so Osama is dead, what was accomplished.
Situation is same as everyday.

Heck, people are even more panicked now, because of fear of retaliation...so yeah, tell me, what was really won from this?
Other, of course, than an inflation to U.S. already giant ego.		2011-05-03 11:13:00

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Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Are you sure you Americans got rid of him?
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5062/5679727668_20ffbb223f_o.jpg		2011-05-03 11:25:00

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OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Are you sure you Americans got rid of him?

That image is insulting.		2011-05-03 12:44:00

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schm0
Posts: 1239

http://uk.gizmodo.com/5798016/the-navy-seals-booty-was-yesterdays-biggest-victory

That could be a big tick in the worth it column.		2011-05-03 12:46:00

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Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Are you sure you Americans got rid of him?
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5062/5679727668_20ffbb223f_o.jpg

Accorind to this guy, yes, yes they did.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mMP7Ys57ha4


That image is insulting.

Care to explain how so?
I mean, you say its insulting, but not why, how can he know why not to post something like that?
What's the main point you see as insulting?


@Rabid:
Now THAT is something they should celebrate.
One dead terrorist?
Yeah, like they haven't done that before, someone can probably replace him easly.

Loads of info on the terrorist group that may actually do something and be useful to stop the group?
A rare chance that actually does something if handled right.		2011-05-03 13:44:00

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Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Care to explain how so?
I mean, you say its insulting, but not why, how can he know why not to post something like that?
What's the main point you see as insulting?

I dunno, probably the "President of the United States photo-shopped onto the body of a mass-murderer" part. Or the insinuation that the President is not who he says he is (i.e. a Muslim, not a Christian.) Or the comparison between the President's last name ("Obama") and the former head of Al Qaeda's ("Osama"), inferring that they are similar.

The fact that the offense needed explanation is puzzling to me.

And I never said he shouldn't post it, I said I found it insulting.		2011-05-03 13:57:00

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schm0
Posts: 1239

So now that this thread is loosing steam, here come the jokers desperately trying to out funny each other for Rep points. Is there no end to your depravity?2011-05-03 14:07:00

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KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

What I clearly perceive is that the way United States fellows accepted the news is really different from how other people in the World reacted.
For most of the United States people, it's like: "Justice Is Done", for other World dweller, the history is a bit different.
Then a photoshop work is clearly a joke.
Everything has always been photoshopped in the internet.
And if you see that pic insulting it's because you base your judgement on a preconception about me.

Then...about the mass murderer...
Obama, like Berlusconi, Sarkozy and many others ordered attacks towards Afghanistan, Libia, other stuff...
I don't make difference between murderer and mass murderer...because if the only difference is the amount of death we risk to end up with this sentence...


Kill a man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conquerer. Kill everyone, and you are a god.
Jean Rostand		2011-05-03 14:21:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Then a photoshop work is clearly a joke.

And jokes can be insulting.


Everything has always been photoshopped in the internet....therefore the picture is acceptable?


And if you see that pic insulting it's because you base your judgement on a preconception about me.I said the picture was insulting. It has nothing to do with you (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=56049-Osama-Bin-Laden-has-been-killed-by-U.S.-Action&p=840242&viewfull=1#post840242).


Then...about the mass murderer...
Obama, like Berlusconi, Sarkozy and many others ordered attacks towards Afghanistan, Libia, other stuff...
I don't make difference between murderer and mass murderer...because if the only difference is the amount of death we risk to end up with this sentence...I don't recall any of those world leaders putting people in ovens or ordering airplanes to be flown into skyscrapers. While I don't condone murder, acts of war have been carried out since the beginning of time. Does it make them right? Most certainly not. But there's a major difference between an act of war and genocide/jihad.

The point is, I found the picture to be insulting for the reasons I cited earlier. You're welcome to disagree, I just find the picture to be another permeation of a vitriolic culture (specifically that of the U.S.) that could use a healthy dose of reason and civility.

Bin Laden was the figurehead of an organization that attacked innocent civilians in it's quest for holy war. The world is better off without him, although I would have preferred he be brought to justice in court, not with a bullet to his head.		2011-05-03 14:50:00

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schm0
Posts: 1239

So now that this thread is loosing steam, here come the jokers desperately trying to out funny each other for Rep points. Is there no end to your depravity?

Followed by the "justice and morality defenders," trying to get the rep the jokers couldn't. 		2011-05-03 15:01:00

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Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Actually I thought that the picture was fun, not because of what it could allegedly mean, but because Mr. Obama and Osama have fairly resemblance cast of features.
http://zaronline.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg
http://www.ayrion.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/barack-obama.jpg
Nose, shape of mouth, flesh tonality, shape of face...
Those are not the best pics to see it, you should find a more serious Obama...but if you care to just browse a bit, you'll notice that the 2 guys have even the same shape of the ears.

So, when you look at the pic, schm0 you saw what you disapproved in it, and it's fair.
But my reasons were others, that's why I spoke about preconceptions.

Then we could speak for years about difference of murders, but although interesting I suppose this is not the right place to do it.		2011-05-03 15:13:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

So i read that Obama and others were watching when they killed Osama live. Now that's just brutal.2011-05-03 15:24:00

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Alec
Posts: 3871

Yeah I totally hate this 3rd millennium voyeurism.2011-05-03 15:28:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Ok, so Osama is dead, what was accomplished.
Situation is same as everyday.

Heck, people are even more panicked now, because of fear of retaliation...so yeah, tell me, what was really won from this?
Other, of course, than an inflation to U.S. already giant ego.

I am not panicked at all.. I am glad he is now dead. He was the mastermind of the worst crimes against the U.S and he needed to be brought to justice. He had a chance to surrender and reportedly decided to hide behind women then fire at those that came after him. He was killed in the battle with a bullet to the head. ..to me he proved himself a complete coward and died the same way. He was hiding in a compound where he directed his minions, which in many cases ended up being 14 year old boys to strap explosives on themselves to detonate in large crowds, many times killing many of his own people. Yes there are others that will attempt to fill his shoes, but I am hoping this plops a bit of fear back into their laps rather than the fear they have been so eager to do to others all this time. Basically it is this... if you commit a crime, you will be punished. It might take awhile to find you, but you will pay for it one way or another.

Maybe you were way too young to realize the horror of that dreadful day on 9-11. I fully remember the shear horror of watching those fully fueled planes crashing into the Twin Towers, the heroics of so many fireman and police attempting to rescue innocent lives from those burning buildings. Watching so many in the upper floors jump to their deaths and finally the buildings themselves falling to ruins killing everyone still in there as well as all the ones down below. Including those brave souls that saved so many and went back in for more... So many innocent people needlessly died that day, due to the plans of one man and his followers.

The reason America exists as well as many other Nations, is from the blood of many many brave men and women who have given their lives so that we might live in freedom and peace. True, it isn't perfect, but we cannot simply sit by and let them do whatever they want. Have you not seen tapes of those that have been taken prisoner by Al-Qaeda and beheaded? They want us dead. They don't want to get to know you and chat, they would gladly do the same to you as well as anyone else they could to promote their fear.

I would think it would make you a bit happy and proud that there are so many dedicated to fighting these evil people and keeping them from doing whatever they want rather than questioning why they do it. However, it really isn't ego yaru... it is simply justice. The good news is along with the #1 terrorist being killed, we found quite a bit of information and are currently investigating. Hopefully it is enough info to find even more in his network and capture or kill them as well.

I know you mean well.. heck, I applaud your concern for the safety of the Japanese people who have been hit by one of the worst crises ever. I pray that they can keep safe as well as rebuild. Thing is... that devastation in Japan, although on a much larger scale as it killed 10's of thousands, is similar to what happened to the U.S. However what happened here was not a tsunami and not of natural causes. That devastation was fabricated by sheer evil. That is the sort of evil that needs to be sought out and stopped at all costs.

The earth gives us enough to keep us on our toes without evil people wanting to do whatever they want to us doncha think?		2011-05-03 15:49:00

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jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Well, I can't argue with anyone here, not that I was looking for an argument.

What's done is done is all I can really come up with.

Also, I do find it a tad suspicious that he was buried at sea...
Even if it makes sense to people, I still find it suspicious.

Edit: Actually, I agree with Jww completely. He summed it up nicely.		2011-05-03 15:53:00

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Tmjtk
Posts: 258

While it's impossible to not agree with Jww...and I perfectly remember that late Summer day, when I was listening to the radio, and hurried back home to see that horrible events...
Still, I so feel this terrible taste in my mouth, the taste of defeat, anyway...
Yes, this people doesn't want to chat and solve things peacefully...but where this will lead us all?
For a nice Royal wedding we have countless riots, wars, crimes and deaths.		2011-05-03 16:22:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Hmm...that method of killing...it could only been one person...
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSK1YhdV3xkEV8fuHDlG2OyPiIvv049m m3dS2pk2braOnSR2lf2kA&t=1
Its-a Him, Mario!


Anywho, sad thing is, even in his death, or more like because of it, he has the U.S. still at his knees scared to death for retaliation fro the other side.

You know when a dead terrorist can still inflict terror upon a nation, that it is a victory for terrorism.


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgdmGlsKoIS3ZgE39JtkRYKEMeFrHuI Q8QCvQtZgJWzBAjuxGpWg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eJV4lIaHh3Q/TTmrS20JxsI/AAAAAAAAAAU/h8KMZ3v2zqc/s1600/achmed3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ibtesama.info/iql.php%3Fq%3Dachmed-the-dead-terrorist-doll&usg=__5zi7ijREQdZyhtJSDkXYUTaK2Yk=&h=271&w=512&sz=68&hl=en&start=26&zoom=1&tbnid=kJq-B8FCx3MprM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=197&ei=cT2_TZ3dCc-r8QOQp527BQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dachmed%2Bthe%2Bdead%2Bterrorist%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DSii%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D868%26bih%3D624%26addh%3D36%26 tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=112&vpy=289&dur=2146&hovh=163&hovw=309&tx=194&ty=88&page=3&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:26)
^Osama
v U.S.A.
http://files.sharenator.com/okay_face_RE_Demotivationals-s251x239-157585-580.jpg


Guilty Conscience?

I'm still waiting for the Image Macros, bridging the gap between this and MLP.


Moving on

This event should be revered not as the "be all end all death of terrorism" IMHO, but as the day the people whether you're from the U.S. or not, turned that corner of being victims and showed that we will search and destroy anyone who threatens our peace and way of life. Some of you seem to be missing the forest for the trees.		2011-05-03 16:27:00

Author:
KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

Bin Laden is dead, he was shot on Saturday and apparently he was then thrown into the water... The americans wouldn't start making a huge fuss now if he wasn't dead... Hope he burns in hell2011-05-03 17:35:00

Author:
Unknown User

Bin Laden is dead, he was shot on Saturday and apparently he was then thrown into the water... The americans wouldn't start making a huge fuss now if he wasn't dead... Hope he burns in hell

Well Technically, He won't go to the place you think as "Hell" because he did things in the name of his religion, so technically he'll go to the Islamic Equivalent of "Heaven"


Btw @kernelM,
You do know he was killed in a mansion right, it's not like our troops had to scale a 40 foot wall.

he was killed in a mansion, Which was surrounded by a 14 foot wall.


”I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”		2011-05-03 17:44:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I still find his death a bit if'y, The fact that he had been on the run for 10 years and they only now just found him? Theres also the fact that his mansion was only 100 meters or so away from a US military base... Makes me wonder, Governments lie a lot anyways so Im not believing this until i see an actual body.2011-05-03 19:30:00

Author:
Tawarf
Posts: 457

Its amazing what we can do when we have no PSN. Good job America. R.I.P 9/11 victims.2011-05-03 19:35:00

Author:
craigmond
Posts: 2426

Governments lie a lot anyways so Im not believing this until i see an actual body.

Not really a direct response to you, just to this whole insistence that it's probably not true until we see proper pictures of his corpse. Do you really think that the U.S. Government (or any of our governments) wouldn't be able to get hold of a body that looked enough like Bin Laden... Seriously, the first thing I think of when people talk about governments lying then wanting to see a body is that scene from the Big Lebowski - just imagine Obama's face, speaking with with John Goodman's voice, saying "you want a body?? I can get you a ****ing body dude."

Assuming of course that we are skeptical about them telling the truth, what makes people so keen to see in an image of a dead body? Is it actually a desire for truth, or simply morbid fascination?		2011-05-03 19:50:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

There is no convincing conspiracy theorists. Show them a body or a photo and they'll say it's fake, such is blind rebellion.2011-05-03 19:53:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

”I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”

That sounded Kingdom Hearts-like.		2011-05-03 19:57:00

Author:
nysudyrgh
Posts: 5482

So apparently it's a split between two type of people here now.

I heard they also killed his adult son? Also in the estate?		2011-05-03 20:10:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

So apparently it's a split between two type of people here now.

I heard they also killed his adult son? Also in the estate?

IDK about the son but one of his wives was killed because he took her as a human shield		2011-05-03 20:49:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

IDK about the son but one of his wives was killed because he took her as a human shield

Really ? What a son of a *********
*excuses for the use of impolite language*		2011-05-03 20:52:00

Author:
nysudyrgh
Posts: 5482

Yeah one of his sons was killed in the firefight.

It really depends on why one is celebrating Osama's fate. I take no pleasure in knowing that a man has been thrust into the mysterious realms of the afterlife, but I'm satisfied that he did not escape due justice. It's not about his death, it's about the justice that it entailed.


At least for me. There could very well be people who are just celebrating his death.		2011-05-03 20:58:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

I don't support the death of others and war, but i couldn't help but laugh sooooo hard at this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRmZXwkeNoQ

How did they even do this?		2011-05-03 21:07:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

Assuming of course that we are skeptical about them telling the truth, what makes people so keen to see in an image of a dead body? Is it actually a desire for truth, or simply morbid fascination?

Both. ;_;		2011-05-03 21:40:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

While I'm glad that he is finally dead for all he has done, I think the whole situation was blown way out of proportion. He's one person, and even if he was a leader of terrorist organizations, killing one person cannot have too much of an effect. I see the whole situation as a morale booster more than a true military victory.

And to the person who said that he will be going to Islamic heaven: I may not be Muslim, but I'm fairly certain that nowhere in the Koran does it say to kill innocent people in the name of your beliefs, as much of the Koran comes from the Bible. These people are the Muslim extremists; most would disapprove with what people like Osama have done and dislike the reputation Muslims have as terrorists because of these types of people, when a far majority are not.		2011-05-03 22:12:00

Author:
metsfan1025
Posts: 181

killing one person cannot have too much of an effect.

You'd be surprised. 		2011-05-03 22:16:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

To be honest we should add insult to injury. Let's build the freedom tower and dump Osama off the top of it with a I love New York shirt on.

LoL but seriously Americans should be very happy that he is gone.		2011-05-03 22:24:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

To be honest we should add insult to injury. Let's build the freedom tower and dump Osama off the top of it with a I love New York shirt on.

LoL but seriously Americans should be very happy that he is gone.

I'm appalled you would even think of something like that...		2011-05-03 22:30:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I wasn't trying to be rude, but seriously you do realize this guy was the leader of the most sought after terrorist organization against the U.S....right?2011-05-03 23:49:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

I wasn't trying to be rude, but seriously you do realize this guy was the leader of the most sought after terrorist organization against the U.S....right?

A human is a human, if he wasn't a terrorist he could have been a great man (maybe). Also, I say it's shameful to make fun of someone in their death, terrorist or not terrorist.		2011-05-03 23:52:00

Author:
JspOt
Posts: 3607

Yes true, but did you have any close family members die in 9/11... I promise I wasn't trying to offend anyone, sorry.2011-05-03 23:55:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

A human is a human, if he wasn't a terrorist he could have been a great man (maybe). Also, I say it's shameful to make fun of someone in their death, terrorist or not terrorist.

Exactly.

You shouldn't celebrate or mock the death of a human being. If you're going to celebrate, celebrate the fact that more death was prevented.


EDIT:


Yes true, but did you have any close family members die in 9/11...

The attacks were aimed towards America as a whole, and I'm sure Al Qaeda didn't celebrate the deaths themselves, but instead the impact it had on the country.

I would also like to say that I'm deeply sorry for your loss. 		2011-05-03 23:56:00

Author:
Frinklebumper
Posts: 941

Exactly.

You shouldn't celebrate or mock the death of a human being. If you're going to celebrate, celebrate the fact that more death was prevented.


EDIT:



The attacks were aimed towards America as a whole, and I'm sure Al Qaeda didn't celebrate the deaths themselves, but instead the impact it had on the country.

I would also like to say that I'm deeply sorry for your loss.

I know, it's just the fact Osama got a Muslim funeral and was held in high honors... It just doesn't seem right 		2011-05-04 00:05:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

Woah Osama was 6 feet and 6 inches. (About)
That's pretty tall.

Anyway have any of you seen that MLK quote floating around the internet recently?


"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." - Martin Luther King, Jr

Well this was not actually said by Martin Luther King JR. . I don't know how this "rumor" on the internet came to be, but I don't care who said it, it's a great quote		2011-05-04 00:37:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

Well this was not actually said by Martin Luther King JR. . I don't know how this "rumor" on the internet came to be, but I don't care who said it, it's a great quote

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/03/after-bin-ladens-death-mostly-fake-mlk-quote-goes-viral/




I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

While the latter part of the quotation is all King (from his book (http://books.google.com/books?id=errxX4tzSMcC&lpg=PA53&dq=Darkness%20cannot%20drive%20out%20darkness%3B%2 0only%20light%20can%20do%20that.&pg=PA53#v=onepage&q=Darkness%20cannot%20drive%20out%20darkness%3B%20 only%20light%20can%20do%20that.&f=false)Strength to Love (http://books.google.com/books?id=errxX4tzSMcC&lpg=PA53&dq=Darkness%20cannot%20drive%20out%20darkness%3B%2 0only%20light%20can%20do%20that.&pg=PA53#v=onepage&q=Darkness%20cannot%20drive%20out%20darkness%3B%20 only%20light%20can%20do%20that.&f=false)) the first part was actually from a woman called Jessica Dovey, who expressed her feelings and then (http://i.imgur.com/cqtjw.jpg)followed (http://i.imgur.com/cqtjw.jpg) it with the MLK quote in a Facebook status (http://i.imgur.com/cqtjw.jpg).

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/03/after-bin-ladens-death-mostly-fake-mlk-quote-goes-viral/#ixzz1LKuagXLl



Apparently, schools don't teach our children how quotation marks work any more 		2011-05-04 00:46:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I know, it's just the fact Osama got a Muslim funeral and was held in high honors... It just doesn't seem right

Do it the right way and slightly reduce potential anger do it in an incredibly stupid way and fuel more hatred and people trying to blow stuff up as revenge.		2011-05-04 00:54:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

I was taught from a young age to give respect.
No matter the circumstances, be courteous.

I know if I was a Muslim, and the U.S tossed Osama's body like trash,
even though I may not have supported his ideas, I would feel disrespected that he was not buried in the respective Muslim way.		2011-05-04 01:07:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

Followed by the "justice and morality defenders," trying to get the rep the jokers couldn't.

While we're on the topic . . . rep for rep please? ^^ I don't want to earn rep, I would rather get it for free.

On topic . . .

Don't see what the fuss is about the similarities between Obama and Osama. I've seen a guy that looks like Jesus, but instead he turned out to be a hippie, and I was not offended.		2011-05-04 01:29:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

While we're on the topic . . . rep for rep please? ^^ I don't want to earn rep, I would rather get it for free.



Previous attempts at doing that have resulted in the rep being taken away from the user.		2011-05-04 01:34:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Previous attempts at doing that have resulted in the rep being taken away from the user.

I thought the fact that I was kidding was obvious, like sarcasm, you know like mocking/spoofing heart for heart. -_-		2011-05-04 01:37:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

I was taught from a young age to give respect.
No matter the circumstances, be courteous.

I know if I was a Muslim, and the U.S tossed Osama's body like trash,
even though I may not have supported his ideas, I would feel disrespected that he was not buried in the respective Muslim way.

How do you know that he was thrown into the sea as a sign of disgrace? People that are hated so much by an entire country are better off thrown into the sea, not because of disrespect, but imagine if he was buried. I've seen so much hate towards this guy that I feel that if he was buried, some sick, twisted person would dig him up and God knows do what with his body.

Also, I doubt any of the people that have posted "We want to see his body or else it's fake" would actually believe it when they saw it. Astrosimi said it best so I'll just quote him.


There is no convincing conspiracy theorists. Show them a body or a photo and they'll say it's fake, such is blind rebellion.

Also...


Well Technically, He won't go to the place you think as "Hell" because he did things in the name of his religion, so technically he'll go to the Islamic Equivalent of "Heaven"



he was killed in a mansion, Which was surrounded by a 14 foot wall.

You're correct in that the compound was surrounded by a 14 foot wall. But are incorrect when stating that the SEALS had to jump a 14 foot wall (lol? Why would he even believe this in the first place. This is real life, not Halo)


Late Sunday night local time, two U.S. helicopters from Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and carrying Team Six SEALs flew in low from Afghanistan and swept into the compound. As CIA director Leon Panetta listened in, the Navy SEALs stormed the compound and engaged Bin Laden and his men in a firefight, killing Bin Laden and all those with him.

Two Bin Laden couriers were killed, as was Osama Bin Laden's son Khalid and a woman. U.S. officials said Bin Laden and the other men used the three women in the compound as human shields, and the woman who died was shielding Bin Laden. The other two women were injured. Children were present in the compound but were not harmed. U.S. officials said that Bin Laden himself fired his weapon during the fight, and that he was asked to surrender but did not. He was shot in the head and then shot again to make sure he was dead.

The raid began on the smaller of two buildings in the compound, where the couriers were believed to live. The raid then moved to the larger three-story building.

One of the U.S. Blackhawk helicopters was damaged but not destroyed during the operation, and U.S. forces elected to destroy it themselves with explosives.

The Americans took Bin Laden's body into custody after the firefight, taking it back to Afghanistan by helicopter, and confirmed his identity. His DNA matched DNA taken from mulitple relatives of Bin Laden with almost 100 percent certainty.

A U.S. official said Bin Laden was later buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice at 2 a.m. Washington time. Bin Laden's body was taken to the U.S.S. Carl Vinson, a U.S. aircraft carrier in the North Arabian Sea, according to officials. His body was washed and wrapped in the prescribed way. A military officer read religious remarks that were translated by a native Arabic speaker before Bin Laden's remains were sent into the deep.

The original plan had called for the SEALs to rappel down into the compound, but because one of the choppers had a problem it had to do a soft crash landing.

Bolded for easy reference. Actually, the entire thing should be read as a lot of people here have no idea what actually happened.

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019255.html

Seriously, a lot of people in this thread need to read up on this before they can share their opinion on a topic so delicate, in my opinion.		2011-05-04 01:38:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

How do you know that he was thrown into the sea as a sign of disgrace? People that are hated so much by an entire country are better off thrown into the sea, not because of disrespect, but imagine if he was buried. I've seen so much hate towards this guy that I feel that if he was buried, some sick, twisted person would dig him up and God knows do what with his body.

Seriously, a lot of people in this thread need a lot of growing up to do before they can share their opinion on a topic so delicate, in my opinion.

Oh, I was under the impression she knew Osama was burried in a respectful way as he was buried at seas which is with tradition. I assumed she meant what if he would have been treated like trash.		2011-05-04 01:44:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Oh, I was under the impression she knew Osama was burried in a respectful way as he was buried at seas which is with tradition. I assumed she meant what if he would have been treated like trash.

Hmm, that may be. And if so, I apologize for misreading that comment. 		2011-05-04 01:54:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Seriously, a lot of people in this thread need a lot of growing up to do before they can share their opinion on a topic so delicate, in my opinion.

To the question before this, if you didn't know this, it is respectful for Muslims to be buried at sea.

And to this quote, I sure hope that isn't directed towards me.
If you do respond, a simple Yes or No will suffice.

{Edit} You read it a bit wrong.
But, that's ok.

P.s Hana, I'm a boy. 		2011-05-04 02:03:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

Is it just me, or was the announcement kinda odd, like suddend, no one I know had a bigger reaction than:
http://www.paulohsms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/cereal-guy.jpg
I'm not even trying to be funny, that's literaly the the biggest reaction I've seen to this, they were eating and just wnt "huh, so they actually got him..." and contienued on as if nothing.

Other people I've talked with, in real life, or online, do mention it, but don't really seem to make any fuzz about it, mostly mention it and thesubject changes prety fast.

I guess no one really expected it to happen or something, but from what I can tell, to the majority if the public it wasn't such a huge deal.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it IS a big deal and all, specially with all the data the managed to retrieve from his hideout, but its not like anyone really cared he was dead, as if everyone already knew it wouldn't really matter or make a difference, at least to them...
Or maybe the damage is already done, he's damaged so much it really didn't matter to man wether he was dead or a live, the destruction was done anyways.

Idk, maybe its just me overthinking it.		2011-05-04 02:20:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Well I know I wasn't exactly overwhelmed at the news either; I figured beforehand bin Laden would either inevitably be found and die in a merciless military strike or fade into obscurity with his own sense of self-preservation overriding his ideals
But then again I wasn't close to anyone who died in 9/11, and in the case of those who were I can sorta understand their eagerness to dance on his grave (as questionable in taste as it may be).		2011-05-04 02:30:00

Author:
Dapiek Absaroka
Posts: 512

To the question before this, if you didn't know this, it is respectful for Muslims to be buried at sea.

And to this quote, I sure hope that isn't directed towards me.
If you do respond, a simple Yes or No will suffice.

{Edit} You read it a bit wrong.
But, that's ok.

P.s Hana, I'm a boy.

Yeah I realized I read it wrong and no it wasn't directed to you.


Is it just me, or was the announcement kinda odd, like suddend, no one I know had a bigger reaction than:
http://www.paulohsms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/cereal-guy.jpg
I'm not even trying to be funny, that's literaly the the biggest reaction I've seen to this, they were eating and just wnt "huh, so they actually got him..." and contienued on as if nothing.

Other people I've talked with, in real life, or online, do mention it, but don't really seem to make any fuzz about it, mostly mention it and thesubject changes prety fast.

I guess no one really expected it to happen or something, but from what I can tell, to the majority if the public it wasn't such a huge deal.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it IS a big deal and all, specially with all the data the managed to retrieve from his hideout, but its not like anyone really cared he was dead, as if everyone already knew it wouldn't really matter or make a difference, at least to them...
Or maybe the damage is already done, he's damaged so much it really didn't matter to man wether he was dead or a live, the destruction was done anyways.

Idk, maybe its just me overthinking it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZ5tIxYCbY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwij_3dIN2c		2011-05-04 02:53:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

To the question before this, if you didn't know this, it is respectful for Muslims to be buried at sea.

And to this quote, I sure hope that isn't directed towards me.
If you do respond, a simple Yes or No will suffice.

{Edit} You read it a bit wrong.
But, that's ok.

P.s Hana, I'm a boy.

Oh, lol. >< Sorry! 		2011-05-04 03:02:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

In my defense, I said as far as I've seen/ heard/ know, hadn't seen anything like that yet.
Guess I just know and seen people that heppened to be not-so interested in the event.		2011-05-04 03:12:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I had heard that Osama never stayed in a single spot longer than two nights. O.O2011-05-04 03:12:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

Some experts say that he could have been in that compound for over two years.2011-05-04 03:18:00

Author:
Captain
Posts: 92

In my defense, I said as far as I've seen/ heard/ know, hadn't seen anything like that yet.
Guess I just know and seen people that heppened to be not-so interested in the event.

Don't watch the news much do you? xD		2011-05-04 03:24:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Which is humiliating to the people from there, since they were so close to a military base.
Also, it IS possible, since it may be safer to stay in one place than move about and risk being caught while moving from place to place.

I mean, the moving every 2 days/ nighs works on people that aren't so notorious, but considering whol it was, I'm positive he'd risk more moving constantly than staying quietly in one place.		2011-05-04 03:25:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I've been reading in places where the US military and many others find it hard to believe that the Pakistani government didn't know he was that close.

But I don't see why that sounds far-fetched. I mean unless officials did routine extremely thorough checks then he could easily live undetected as long as he never goes out and has people get food and things for him.

I mean if it were me I would think the smartest route of action would be to do what the enemy would not expect like live closer to them rather than farther, like in same town, because then they wouldn't expect it.

So could the Pakistani military have been in on it? Maybe, but I don't think it's right to assume they were considering it was a very good plan as the enemy (Osama) to do the unexpected. So the Pakistani government could be telling the truth when they say they're suprised he was right under them. Sure, I don't know the routine of procedures to keep track of who's living nearby, but I doubt it includes thinking Osama was right there with them.		2011-05-04 03:27:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Lots of speculation.
I remember hearing that he was approximately an hour's drive from the capital, and 2 hours from the prime ministers house.		2011-05-04 03:31:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

I've been reading in places where the US military and many others find it hard to believe that the Pakistani government didn't know he was that close.

But I don't see why that sounds far-fetched. I mean unless officials did routine extremely thorough checks then he could easily live undetected as long as he never goes out and has people get food and things for him.

I mean if it were me I would think the smartest route of action would be to do what the enemy would not expect like live closer to them rather than farther, like in same town, because then they wouldn't expect it.

So could the Pakistani military have been in on it? Maybe, but I don't think it's right to assume they were considering it was a very good plan as the enemy (Osama) to do the unexpected. So the Pakistani government could be telling the truth when they say they're suprised he was right under them. Sure, I don't know the routine of procedures to keep track of who's living nearby, but I doubt it includes thinking Osama was right there with them.

The reason they are suspicious is because he was basically found in are armed fortress with a 14 foot wall, and a huge mansion in the center, and they would always burn their trash instead of taking it out. That kinda would raise suspension, no?		2011-05-04 03:35:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

and they would always burn their trash instead of taking it out. That kinda would raise suspension, no?

Also when children knocked there toys over their fence into the property, such as balls, they wouldn't return them. Rather they would pay them in cash.		2011-05-04 03:38:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

Also when children knocked there toys, such as balls, they wouldn't return them, rather they would pay them in cash.

O_O seriously?		2011-05-04 03:40:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

O_O seriously?

Apparently.		2011-05-04 03:41:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

The reason they are suspicious is because he was basically found in are armed fortress with a 14 foot wall, and a huge mansion in the center, and they would always burn their trash instead of taking it out. That kinda would raise suspension, no?

I didn't know that was out of the ordinary and never read the trash burning part. I also didn't know that was the only building in town with high walls, and I also thought US and Pakistani military have places in that town. Guess I just haven't read as much info as you have. In those cases that would be suspiscious being only building like that in a town only occupied by Pakistani military with abscence of US military.		2011-05-04 03:43:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

I didn't know that was out of the ordinary and never read the trash burning part. I also didn't know that was the only building in town with high walls, and I also thought US and Pakistani military have places in that town. Guess I just haven't read as much info as you have. In those cases that would be suspiscious being only building like that in a town only occupied by Pakistani military with abscence of US military.

Well idk if Pakistan knew he was there or not :/		2011-05-04 03:53:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

The reason they are suspicious is because he was basically found in are armed fortress with a 14 foot wall, and a huge mansion in the center, and they would always burn their trash instead of taking it out. That kinda would raise suspension, no?

To further this comment...


After locating the Al Qaeda courier in 2009 and then tracking him to the structure in 2010, the CIA noted that the house had high exterior walls topped with barbed wire, high windows and few points of access. Residents burned their trash instead of putting it out. Built in 2005, the compound also had a seven-foot-high wall on a third-floor terrace. U.S. officials wondered if the extra wall was meant to allow a tall man--Bin Laden's height was estimated at between 6'4" and 6'6"--to go outside without being seen.		2011-05-04 04:17:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Guys, if you have a facebook go to the page "And that's how America outdoes a Royal Wedding." I'm not advertising or spamming or whatever its just the funniest thing ever. Here are some jokes people posted on there...

Bin laden, bin hiding?, bin shot, bin thrown into the sea..

Bin Laden has Bin eliminated

So apparently Osama was killed in Abbott bad Pakistan, Talk abbottabad place to hide.

According to the military, Osama was buried at sea according to Islamic tradition. But what they did not tell you was that they dropped him in the Bay of Pigs.

I went to a bar earlier, and in honor of Osama's capture and kill, they were giving out a free drink called the bin Laden: two shots and a splash of water!

If you watch Osama bin Laden's life backwards, it's about an ocean zombie who builds skyscrapers out of airplanes.

If Kate and William are still planning their honeymoon, I know of a place in Pakistan that just became available.

Osama isn?t in the ocean...he's getting ready to be mounted on Dubbya's wall with all the other dead animals...

Osama?s Bin Turbinated

yeah, its pretty funny...just have a sense of humor I mean come on he's dead me and my friends have been on that page for hours since I got home, and I started like yesterday night and I swear its just the funniest thing ever.

Me and my friends called ourselves the No-comments since we were the first ones there to actually have fun in that page.

So yeah, go check it out if you want to if you have a facebook or not if you don't 		2011-05-04 04:29:00

Author:
wolverine_2008
Posts: 304

yeah, its pretty funny...just have a sense of humor I mean come on he's dead
Having experience as a comedian, I can tell you right now that your statement has truth to it, but it has to be handled right. Even shock comedians are only able to do what they do because they've got that audience that knows what to expect form them. In general death is not a good reason to suddenly start making jokes. In summary: Know your audience. The Bay of Pigs one was a little more clever than the others at least.		2011-05-04 06:07:00

Author:
Patronus21
Posts: 266

No-one noticed how the account of how Osama was killed keeps changing?

First he used a human shield and was shot because he resisted.
Then it turns out he wasn't using a human shield, they just shot his wife in the cross fire.

Then it turns out he was unarmed - so exactly what resistance could he offer to a group of marines?

Then he was shot because they feared he had a bomb vest.

No doubt the account will change further as people pick holes in the current chain of events.

Face the truth... he was assasinated.

That isn't justice... that's revenge.
Justice is where you catch someone, and try them with EVIDENCE in a COURT.

But there is no evidence for the majoriy of things that Osama Bin Laden has been accused of.
This is just an extention of Guantanamo Bay style international politics... basically America can invade what ever country it chooses, and assasinate who-ever it pleases... and doesn't have to offer any proof or answer to anyone.

I suspect it's got more to do with upcoming elections than the war on terror.

USA - USA -USA! 		2011-05-05 07:40:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

What I've noticed is that when he died, people were saying that the world was better place now without him and that he never deserved justice.My way of thinking is that even though he did do some bad stuff. It wasn't just because he wanted to. He was a hero to a lot of people. Now if what Manmce says is true, then the real bad guy here would be the US right? Since it's the one that didn't give Osama a fair trial, but whatever. It's too late for a trial now. And I thought the US would follow its ideals of "..all men are created equal.." My bad...2011-05-05 12:11:00

Author:
Amigps
Posts: 564

I always sort of thought that the breakout in libya and the afghanistan war would lead up to a world war III.

This is a serious situation.		2011-05-05 13:18:00

Author:
Cactii
Posts: 426

The US is no longer operating within the boundaries of international law.
You are not allowed to just storm any country you want - with no mandate from the soveriegn leaders of that country - and commit assasination missions on "wanted" men.
By the way "Wanted" means "Wanted for Questioning" not "Guilty". It's up to a court to decide who is guilty or not - based on 'evidence'.
Even if the assasination was sanctioned by the President - it still doesn't make it legal... It's not the presidents job to decide who is guilty and who deserves to be executed without trial.

And wasn't it very convienient that they got rid of the body before it could be independantly verified?
We have to just 'trust' the intelligence agency - the same intelligence agency that told us that Iraq had WMD (and somehow tied that all in with 9/11?!)

There is SO much cloak & dagger, smoke & mirrors stuff going on behind the wall of secrecy in all of this... and the public is just being fed enough to colour their judgment and conclude that these illegal actions, like long term imprisonment without trial - drone attacks - assasinations etc , are somehow "moral", "right" and "justified".

Only America (and it's allies) think that they have a mandate to throw out the rule book and do things by "Rule of the Fist" instead of "Rule of Law" - which makes them as bad, if not worse, than the terrorists they are supposed to be fighting. - Worse because at least we know that the terrorists are acting outside of the law... but when an Army or a President acts outside the law - that is much much worse... it is the death of justice.

I think the reason why they won't release a picture of the dead body of Osama, is because we would all see that he was shot from point blank range in the head - an execution - contradicting the Armies version of events.

It's a carefully orchestrated propaganda event - designed to boost Obama's ratings in the run up to an election and to provide a narrative for the coming upturn in the US economy. Again - lots of stuff going on behind the scenes that we are not being told about.		2011-05-05 14:37:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

...And wasn't it very convienient that they got rid of the body before it could be independantly verified?
We have to just 'trust' the intelligence agency - the same intelligence agency that told us that Iraq had WMD (and somehow tied that all in with 9/11?!)

There is SO much cloak & dagger, smoke & mirrors stuff going on behind the wall of secrecy in all of this... and the public is just being fed enough to colour their judgment and conclude that these illegal actions, like long term imprisonment without trial - drone attacks - assasinations etc , are somehow "moral", "right" and "justified".

...I think the reason why they won't release a picture of the dead body of Osama, is because we would all see that he was shot from point blank range in the head - an execution - contradicting the Armies version of events.

It's a carefully orchestrated propaganda event - designed to boost Obama's ratings in the run up to an election and to provide a narrative for the coming upturn in the US economy. Again - lots of stuff going on behind the scenes that we are not being told about.

Why is everything a conspiracy or a "propaganda event"? Is it so far-fetched to believe that perhaps these actions were actually done for the reasons they cited? The burial at sea was to follow Muslim tradition of being buried within 24 hours and prevent a shrine for terrorists from being created at the burial site. The body was identified using DNA analysis. The reason they won't release the photos is because they don't want the picture to appear on protest posters across the Muslim world, inciting further violence, and declaring bin Laden a martyr.

The only smoke and mirrors appear to be in your own mind. You are literally offering the same suggestive, misleading and unverified statements that you claim are being offered to the world as propaganda (aka news).

Also, the 2012 election is nearly a year and a half away, and the Republican field hasn't even been fully formed yet. It's not in the "run-up" to the election, it's in its very first stages. Oil prices are up, not down, and we're paying some of the highest prices for gasoline in history. The U.S. economy hasn't magically jolted from it's slumber. Obama's ratings are up, sure, but that's to be expected (a similar leap in ratings happened immediately after 9/11 to President Bush.)

I'm not buying the last bit at all. Nearly everything you've written is just pure speculation and conspiratorial nonsense.		2011-05-05 15:20:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

The US is no longer operating within the boundaries of international law.

I believe they were operating under the Bush laws, The Patriot Act?


Only America (and it's allies) think that they have a mandate to throw out the rule book and do things by "Rule of the Fist" instead of "Rule of Law" - which makes them as bad, if not worse, than the terrorists they are supposed to be fighting.

Oh man you crack me up. Thank God we have the kahunas to do something like this. We are worse than the terrorists? Seriously?? Please... that is so far out there that you should be ashamed of yourself. ...but I know you are not. You seem to simply choose the moral high ground when it suits you and complain about everything. I doubt any nation could ever conform to your constant twist on reality. I think you just like to argue and complain. Maybe a Scottish thing? lol

Tell you what.. answer this question. Which would you feel safer going camping with, a die hard terrorist or one of the Navy Seals from this mission? It just cracks me up that you have the audacity to compare the complete lawless act of terror like the attack on the twin towers to surgically going in and killing the mastermind of that same attack.

However, I can't argue that Obama did it to boost his ratings. He's still a politician after all, but I feel just about anyone in power would have done the same thing. Oh.. and just be happy we still like you or you might want to run the next time you hear that thumpa thumpa thumpa of helicopters. 		2011-05-05 15:39:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Blah blah blah lots of stuff on conspiracy...

I'm also sure that the expiration date on milk is the government feeding us lies, trying to control our weekly intake. I mean milk shouldn't expire THAT soon right? It's obviously done to boost the sales, especially as it's almost time for the Annual Best Milk Competition! C'mon Nestle! We know your devious ways. 		2011-05-05 18:20:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

I'm also sure that the expiration date on milk is the government feeding us lies, trying to control our weekly intake. I mean milk shouldn't expire THAT soon right? It's obviously done to boost the sales, especially as it's almost time for the Annual Best Milk Competition! C'mon Nestle! We know your devious ways.



I also just don't understand why people actually think a picture was taken after he was killed. Why would they do that?


Well they did take a picture as they are debating whether to release it.

and people used to see if milk was fine by sniffing it. so...		2011-05-05 18:21:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

and people used to see if milk was fine by sniffing it. so...

How does that have to do with anything I said? ._.		2011-05-05 18:25:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

How does that have to do with anything I said? ._.

You said how the Government lies about Milk Dates...		2011-05-05 18:27:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

You said how the Government lies about Milk Dates...

Yes, and your comment was that people used to sniff milk to see if it was fine?

Maybe I didn't lay it thick enough... My point is that many people here that believe all of this is a conspiracy probably aren't satisfied with anything in the world. It's all a bunch of propaganda and conspiracy. I can guarantee that both you and Macnme STILL wouldn't be satisfied when/if a picture was to be released. "Oh it's fake, it's clearly photoshopped. That's not even Osama! It's just a guy that really looks similar!" That's just how you people are, you won't be satisfied until you see it with your own eyes which brings me to RTM's comment a while back.


Assuming of course that we are skeptical about them telling the truth, what makes people so keen to see in an image of a dead body? Is it actually a desire for truth, or simply morbid fascination?

I'd go with the latter on this one. It's got to be a fascination, right?		2011-05-05 18:34:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Yes, and your comment was that people used to sniff milk to see if it was fine?

Maybe I didn't lay it thick enough... My point is that many people here that believe all of this is a conspiracy probably aren't satisfied with anything in the world. It's all a bunch of propaganda and conspiracy. I can guarantee that both you and Macnme STILL wouldn't be satisfied when/if a picture was to be released. "Oh it's fake, it's clearly photoshopped. That's not even Osama! It's just a guy that really looks similar!" That's just how you people are, you won't be satisfied until you see it with your own eyes which brings me to RTM's comment a while back.



I'd go with the latter on this one. It's got to be a fascination, right?

I'll be happy when the story stops changing, thats all. I tried to keep a level head throughout all the stuff, What they are putting on TV is clearly propaganda, I'm not that stupid that i can't see it, I'm not begging for a picture to be released at all.		2011-05-05 18:37:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I'll be happy when the story stops changing, thats all. I tried to keep a level head throughout all the stuff, What they are putting on TV is clearly propaganda, I'm not that stupid that i can't see it, I'm not begging for a picture to be released at all.

And who's changing the story? Links pl0x?		2011-05-05 18:41:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

And who's changing the story? Links pl0x?


It might not be the same where you are but its constantly fluxing, i'll see if i can find some links.		2011-05-05 18:47:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

I'll be happy when the story stops changing, thats all. I tried to keep a level head throughout all the stuff, What they are putting on TV is clearly propaganda, I'm not that stupid that i can't see it, I'm not begging for a picture to be released at all.

Well.. in a way, I agree that it is all a bit of propaganda. TV is ripe for that even if it is simply news for news own sake.

However which would you rather see. The propaganda of mass murder of innocents via the hands of these terrorists from another filmed beheading, car and suicide bombers in market places killing hundreds, or the propaganda of the demise, thus having one less of these lunatics around? Especially the one that was the head and creator of that same terrorist organization?

After awhile, you just want the random bombs and killing stopped even if you know there might be yet another photo op at Ground Zero. I just choose to turn the channel at the latter. 		2011-05-05 18:54:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Im just glad PSN was down when Osama was killed as if it was up we would have got lots of levels celebrating his death. Oh I couldnt put up with that.2011-05-05 18:57:00

Author:
craigmond
Posts: 2426

Whaaaaale, there have been a couple of conflicting reports in their rush to get information out:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/05/inside-bin-ladens-lair-seal-team_n_857914.html?igoogle=1



Days after the attack, the administration has fleshed out a reconstruction that is probably more accurate than its initial, flawed telling. More information has been gleaned from the commandos themselves, now back at their home base outside Virginia Beach, Va. Some dust has settled.

But there remains no independent or competing account to the administration's story as yet. The reconstruction comes largely from Panetta, White House spokesman Jay Carney and Obama's counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan. Some of their early details proved unreliable.

The only other direct witnesses are the compound's occupants, now in Pakistani custody and, for now, out of reach to everyone else.

Information gaps exist in the official account. Among them: how many armed defenders the raiders encountered, who shot at whom, why none of the compound's survivors was taken away by the Americans, and how many commandos stormed bin Laden's room. It may never be known which commando, or two, killed bin Laden with shots to his head and chest.

The question of exactly what the unarmed bin Laden did to prompt the SEALs to kill rather than capture him has not been settled. However, officials speaking anonymously told The Associated Press that bin Laden appeared to be lunging for a weapon in a room that contained his trademark AK-47 assault rifle and side arms. Still, to some in government and intelligence circles, the operation bore the hallmarks of a pure kill mission despite statements from officials that bin Laden would have been taken alive if he had surrendered.

On one point, however, there has been no inconsistency, revision or challenge: The raiders of Team Six made good on their "pretty good chance" and got safely away in a bold mission accomplished.
Nothing to suggest a conspiracy, rather it shows a lot of inconsistency on the various spokespeople (namely the CIA and other administration officials) to get an accurate debriefing of the raid documented and communicated clearly to the American public.		2011-05-05 18:57:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Whaaaaale, there have been a couple of conflicting reports in their rush to get information out:

Yeah. That was going to be my point. I don't think the fact that there is a bunch of different stories suggests it as conspiracy, but rather shows that these different stories are merely because of miscommunication or inaccuracy.		2011-05-05 19:06:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

But there is no evidence for the majoriy of things that Osama Bin Laden has been accused of.


This statement is so ridiculously wrong, I can't even decide from which way to tackle it.

The man was an open-extremist. Okay, not bad. Many people are. He was the leader of a terrorist organization. This right here is already a crime, but then again many supposed terrorists are running around. He orchestrated an attack that cost the lives of about 3,000 people. How is this not a crime against everything that is decent?

In this train of though, one can deduce Osama was a fanatic. Ever heard of the Japanese Kamikazes, or their ancient Samurai? So devoted to their cause they would fight to the death in the face of impossibility?

Of course, you're also implying, as many are, that the U.S. government is lying. Their track record isn't clean, so I can excuse that to an extent, but consider two things.
1. The possible inconsistencies that are inevitable in journalistic reporting
2. The fact that is isn't 1970's-1990's USA, it's 2011 USA.

Also, the Pakistanis were perfectly fine with what we did, and the PM and Foreign Office even approved of the event.
(http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/05/20115241936984209.html)

And my God, I agree it would have been better with a trial.


But What The HECK? From the tone of your post, if the U.S. Government and Osama would have told you two different facts, you'd have believed Osama. By the gods, I don't care how much you hate the U.S., they did not order two planes two fly into two occupied skyscrapers as a political statement. Osama Bin Laden did.		2011-05-05 20:19:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

If you watch Osama bin Laden's life backwards, its about an ocean zombie that builds skyscrapers out of airplanes, amirite?2011-05-06 01:51:00

Author:
Voodeedoo
Posts: 724

If you watch Osama bin Laden's life backwards, its about an ocean zombie that builds skyscrapers out of airplanes, amirite?

Ok now that's pretty funny lol		2011-05-06 02:10:00

Author:
fireblitz95
Posts: 2018

Yeah, I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist.

I mean, who really needs 'proof' that what a government said is real except 'crazy conspiracy theorists', right?

But hang on. More than 100,000 civilian lives were lost during the Iraq war... which was somehow - thanks to "Bush Law" - tied in with 9/11, Osama Bin Laden and the war on terror.

If we're going by "amount of civilians killed" then Al Qaeda need to do alot more to make up for the US' lead. The US killed far more civilians with it's "Shock & Awe" carpet bombing campaign than the 9/11 terror attacks. But America doesn't care about any of the consequences of it's actions so long as it achieves what it wants.

"Proof" is an incredibly important thing.
But apparently asking for some makes you a "crazy conspiracy theorist".

That's why a trial, in court, with EVIDENCE is what was needed... not an assasination. That's 'Revenge' not 'Justice'.
Even the Nazi's got a trial. It's what "proves" that we are better than they are.		2011-05-06 08:01:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Yeah, I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist.

I mean, who really needs 'proof' that what a government said is real except 'crazy conspiracy theorists', right?

But hang on. More than 100,000 civilian lives were lost during the Iraq war... which was somehow - thanks to "Bush Law" - tied in with 9/11, Osama Bin Laden and the war on terror.

If we're going by "amount of civilians killed" then Al Qaeda need to do alot more to make up for the US' lead. The US killed far more civilians with it's "Shock & Awe" carpet bombing campaign than the 9/11 terror attacks. But America doesn't care about any of the consequences of it's actions so long as it achieves what it wants.

"Proof" is an incredibly important thing.
But apparently asking for some makes you a "crazy conspiracy theorist".

That's why a trial, in court, with EVIDENCE is what was needed... not an assasination. That's 'Revenge' not 'Justice'.
Even the Nazi's got a trial. It's what "proves" that we are better than they are.

Yes, but America are the "good guys". They are totally justified in killing thousands of people because God is on their side. The president said so, and it must be true because U.S presidents don't lie.

Well, apart from that one guy who said that Miss Lewinsky never sucked his...		2011-05-06 09:58:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Yes, but America are the "good guys". They are totally justified in killing thousands of people because God is on their side. The president said so, and it must be true because U.S presidents don't lie.

Well, apart from that one guy who said that Miss Lewinsky never sucked his...

You're forgetting Nixon: "I'm not a crook!"

But of course... America is so radically different nowadays... they're not the kind of Government that will hold people indefinately without trial... or commit torture or assasination missions! (But lets not count Drone Attacks, "Surgical Strikes", Guantanamo Bay - or any evidence to the contrary).

There is no Yearly meeting of the worlds most powerfull individuals to decide the fate of nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group). One of the founders of this group - Denis Healy never said "World events do not occur by accident: They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings";
The fact the Rothschilds have ammased a larger personal fortune than any king or emperor in the history of the world has nothing to do with them operating in the shady world of international high finance.
The bubbles and crashes of the stock market aren't organised or orchestrated in anyway.

Visor Consultants weren't running a "Mock Terror Attack" on the exact same day, at the exact same railway stations as the "real terror attacks" (http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html)

Everything is exactly as your government says it is.... please go back to sleep and stop asking awkwards questions like "Where's the proof?" - you're only making yourself look silly


If you believe that - then you are obviously a "Coincidence Theorist"


The 'Official Line' is NOT the true version of events.... it is the version of events that those in power would like you to believe. You cannot, and should not conduct "Trial by Media" - Guilt or Innocence should be decided by a court... not by Fox News.		2011-05-06 12:49:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

The 'Official Line' is NOT the true version of events.... it is the version of events that those in power would like you to believe.

Yes, but the red pills taste so bitter. Blue ones are much sweeter. 		2011-05-06 15:36:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Yes, but the red pills taste so bitter. Blue ones are much sweeter.

And Milk expires depending on how it is stored - regardless of what the "Best Before Date" says

"There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst of it is half of them are true."
Sir Winston Churchill		2011-05-06 15:39:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

You're forgetting Nixon: "I'm not a crook!"

But of course... America is so radically different nowadays... they're not the kind of Government that will hold people indefinately without trial... or commit torture or assasination missions! (But lets not count Drone Attacks, "Surgical Strikes", Guantanamo Bay - or any evidence to the contrary).

There is no Yearly meeting of the worlds most powerfull individuals to decide the fate of nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group). One of the founders of this group - Denis Healy never said "World events do not occur by accident: They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings";
The fact the Rothschilds have ammased a larger personal fortune than any king or emperor in the history of the world has nothing to do with them operating in the shady world of international high finance.
The bubbles and crashes of the stock market aren't organised or orchestrated in anyway.

Visor Consultants weren't running a "Mock Terror Attack" on the exact same day, at the exact same railway stations as the "real terror attacks" (http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html)

Everything is exactly as your government says it is.... please go back to sleep and stop asking awkwards questions like "Where's the proof?" - you're only making yourself look silly


If you believe that - then you are obviously a "Coincidence Theorist"


The 'Official Line' is NOT the true version of events.... it is the version of events that those in power would like you to believe. You cannot, and should not conduct "Trial by Media" - Guilt or Innocence should be decided by a court... not by Fox News.

*sigh*

*takes moderator hat off*

I can only hope one day that you awake from your state of paranoid delusion to realize that the world is not as sinister, shadowy, or filled with conspiracy as you now believe. You laugh at facts and proof in light of having none yourself, and discuss amongst like-minded fellows sharing conspiracy stories that derive their basis from speculation, paranoia, fiction and an overwhelming lack of supporting evidence. You similarly dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary as being fabricated, outright lies, or just part of some grander, overly-complex and improbable false-flag event.

There's really no point in arguing at length with you, or wasting my time destroying your theories with a logically supported argument. Conspiracy theorists feed on being proved wrong, as in their own mind it only proves them more right. Ah, the irony.

Oh, and the Bilderberg group told me to say all that. It's in the script they hand out to all of us shills. But of course you already knew this.

Back on topic:

As for "proof" of bin Laden being guilty of the atrocities he committed, you may want to check back through all of his own statements claiming responsibility for waging jihad against the West, including specific references to the events themselves in addition to members and groups of Al Qaeda who were involved. These facts are apparent and have been made public by bin Laden himself.

I agree that a trial would have been better than a bullet to his head, but your previous claim that there's no proof of bin Laden's complicity in these crimes is simply unfounded.		2011-05-06 16:23:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

As for "proof" of bin Laden being guilty of the atrocities he committed, you may want to check back through all of his own statements claiming responsibility for waging jihad against the West, including specific references to the events themselves in addition to members and groups of Al Qaeda who were involved. These facts are apparent and have been made public by bin Laden himself.

I agree that a trial would have been better than a bullet to his head, but your previous claim that there's no proof of bin Laden's complicity in these crimes is simply unfounded.

Actually Bin Laden initially denied any involvement, until 2 months later a video was released showing a man who appeared to be Bin Laden retracting his previous statement and now admitting to having masterminded the attacks. Computer analysis comparing the facial bone structure of Bin Laden and the man in the video suggests that they are not in fact the same man.

Also by multiple accounts Bin laden was in the final stages of kidney failure and in need of regular renal dialysis 10 years ago. Even if he had recieved the vital medical treatment he needed, which he would not have had access to hiding out in the mountains of Afghanistan, medical opinion is that Bin Laden would still be long deceased by now. And as one would expect in light of his ill health, 10 years ago he was announced dead by his followers due to a kidney infection. Even prominent figures in the Bush administration stated that Bin Laden was in all probability dead. For 10 years there has been nothing but silence from the Bin Laden camp, which if he had still been alive would be highly unusual given how previously outspoken the man had been. Then suddenly, at a time when president Bullcrap Obama's poularity has just hit an all time low in the opinion polls, Bin Laden miraculously appears alive and well in Pakistan where he is reportedly assassinated by US Navy Seals, causing Obama's popularity to surge as a nation spoonfed on government lies rises patriotically to their feet.

But keep taking the blue pills...you wouldn't like the taste of the red ones.		2011-05-06 19:10:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Actually Bin Laden initially denied any involvement, until 2 months later a video was released showing a man who appeared to be Bin Laden retracting his previous statement and now admitting to having masterminded the attacks. Computer analysis comparing the facial bone structure of Bin Laden and the man in the video suggests that they are not in fact the same man.

I call ********. This would have generated headlines across the world. Care to cite your source?


Also by multiple accounts Bin laden was in the final stages of kidney failure and in need of regular renal dialysis 10 years ago. Even if he had recieved the vital medical treatment he needed, which he would not have had access to hiding out in the mountains of Afghanistan, medical opinion is that Bin Laden would still be long deceased by now. And as one would expect in light of his ill health, 10 years ago he was announced dead by his followers due to a kidney infection.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/kidney.asp

Rumors and hearsay.


Even prominent figures in the Bush administration stated that Bin Laden was in all probability dead.

Probability? No. Possibly? Yes.

The fact is, nobody knew either way until recently.


For 10 years there has been nothing but silence from the Bin Laden camp, which if he had still been alive would be highly unusual given how previously outspoken the man had been.

Except that's a lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Osama_bin_Laden


Then suddenly, at a time when president Bullcrap Obama's poularity has just hit an all time low in the opinion polls, Bin Laden miraculously appears alive and well in Pakistan where he is reportedly assassinated by US Navy Seals, causing Obama's popularity to surge as a nation spoonfed on government lies rises patriotically to their feet.

It's a good thing your bias against "president Bullcrap Obama" hasn't tainted your opinion on this matter.


But keep taking the blue pills...you wouldn't like the taste of the red ones.

I'm just high on facts, bro.		2011-05-06 19:42:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Also by multiple accounts Bin laden was in the final stages of kidney failure and in need of regular renal dialysis 10 years ago. Even if he had recieved the vital medical treatment he needed, which he would not have had access to hiding out in the mountains of Afghanistan, medical opinion is that Bin Laden would still be long deceased by now. And as one would expect in light of his ill health, 10 years ago he was announced dead by his followers due to a kidney infection. Even prominent figures in the Bush administration stated that Bin Laden was in all probability dead. For 10 years there has been nothing but silence from the Bin Laden camp, which if he had still been alive would be highly unusual given how previously outspoken the man had been. Then suddenly, at a time when president Bullcrap Obama's poularity has just hit an all time low in the opinion polls, Bin Laden miraculously appears alive and well in Pakistan where he is reportedly assassinated by US Navy Seals, causing Obama's popularity to surge as a nation spoonfed on government lies rises patriotically to their feet.

Sorry my friend, but if that is true then why on earth did Al Qaeda just confirm his death on their website?

"Al Qaeda confirmed the killing of Usama bin Laden Friday and vowed revenge, saying Americans' "happiness will turn to sadness" in the first statement by the terror network since its leader was slain in a U.S. commando raid against his Pakistani hideout. The confirmation came as newly uncovered documents found in bin Laden's residence revealed Al Qaeda plans for derailing an American train on the upcoming 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks."

Maybe they just get better in the desert? .. after all the Lockerbie bomber, al-Megrahi seems to be doing much better these days as well. 		2011-05-06 19:50:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

...conspiracy theory stuff...

Um.... are you serious about that stuff or are you just trolling? Haven't I seen you going on about science or scientific principles or something and how awesome they are? Like in your anti-religious rants that you like to do? Maybe not--I don't memorize every post everybody writes so feel free to correct me, but I'm going to operate under the assumption that you espouse some sort of belief in science.

I've always thought that the term "conspiracy theory" was a bit of a misnomer. Sure there are definitions of "theory" that fit, but when it comes to the scientific method, a theory is what comes after a hypothesis has been tested to the point that it's considered fairly reliable. Like the theory of evolution. There's enough evidence that schools teach it as if it were scientific law and I believe just about the entire scientific community agrees on it, but it's still considered just a theory. That's what I think of when I hear theory: something that is considered to almost certainly be true.

A conspiracy "theory" is all about conjecture. Two or more facts are arranged in such a way that a certain outcome is possible, and that's called a theory. Never mind that there are countless other scenarios that those facts could easily fit into. Therefore I propose that the official scientific designation for "conspiracy theorists" ought to be changed to "nutbar".... oops.... did I say that outlou er... type that outloud? I meant to say "conspiracy hypothesists."

Now I have no doubt that there are plenty of lies going around and people in power will sometimes do things on the d/l and those things may sometimes be shady. They likely conspire in ways that are illegal and/or the general public would be against. One example would be the imfamous "Watergate." There's a reason I use Watergate: what happens when an actual conspiracy gets uncovered? A full on investigation, that's what. The media is all over it. The government is all over it. Sure there are probably more conspiracies that don't go uncovered than that do, but I seriously doubt the tinfoil hat brigade are going to be the ones to uncover them.... unless it's Jerry Fletcher (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118883/).		2011-05-07 03:45:00

Author:
Sehven
Posts: 2188

LOL now they stirred up the hornets nest, now every Al Quida agent is going to target the US.2011-05-08 03:42:00

Author:
robotixpro
Posts: 354

http://media.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/photo/9557421-large.jpeg
This pic is symbolic...being one of the powerful and fearful man in the World and living like a retired old man with a worn out bedspread on the shoulder and it's woollen hat, in a pigpen with hardly a toilet and current water, always hidden under the soil, without light...
That's a kind of pic I saw many times when Mafia bosses are captured here in Italy.
Reality is completely different from...let's say...Scarface

What's the point in hurting and killing all those people to live such a miserable life?
That's the pure, sheer madness of mankind.		2011-05-08 07:55:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

LOL now they stirred up the hornets nest, now every Al Quida agent is going to target the US.

LOL? What's even remotely funny about al-Quida targeting the U.S.?		2011-05-08 18:24:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

If you watch Osama bin Laden's life backwards, its about an ocean zombie that builds skyscrapers out of airplanes, amirite?

I know where you got this from. Saw someone post this comment from a Youtube video that displayed funny comments people were leaving on the topic.		2011-05-08 19:33:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Actually, I'm not a conspiracy theorist... and I'm not a troll. It's just easy for whomever to classify me as such as it stops them from actually looking at "the evidence" (contrary or not) - and dismisses the counter argument wholesale, without addressing any of the glaring inconsistencies with the "accepted" version of events.

Unfortunately - publicly admitting to skeptism about the official version of events puts you in the company of conspiracy theorists and trolls.

But conversely - agreeing with the official version of events makes you a "coincidence theorist" - capable of believing in astronomical coincidences... as if million to one chances happen 9 times out of 10.

9/11 was not just some random attack, out of the blue, by a bunch of religious nutjobs. It was blowback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)) from the CIA's previous dealings with Osama (who was once described as "The CIA's greatest assett in the middle-east).
Also, an independant Swedish security firm (who sepcialise in voice recognition technology for banks) did their own analysis on the "Osama" tapes - where he admitted his guilt... and found that, not only did the tapes differ from the 'known' recordings of Osama - but they also differed from each other - meaning each tape was recorded by a different voice.... although the CIA confirmed each tape as "genuine".
Now the CIA have been caught out - on multiple occasions - to have been lying and giving false testimony... This Swedish security firm has not. They are therefore a more 'trusted source' - as the CIA (if 9/11 was indeed a Blowback event) has it's own motivation for lying.

Visor Consultants involvement in the 7/7 bombings is the loose thread that unravels the whole jumper of the official version of events. Anyone interested should also do some searching for "The Missing CCTV Footage" of 7/7.

The chances of a private security firm accidentally choosing the exact date and location of the "real" bombings is this;
There are 274 railway stations in greater London. So the chances of picking the correct 3 stations is 274 x 273 x 272 = 20,346,144 - already greater than your statistical likelyhood of winning the lottery.
To then choose the correct date would be 20,346,144 x 365 = 7,426,342,560... that is Seven Billion, Four Hundred and Twenty Six Million, Three Hundred and Forty Two Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty to One.

So, either - You believe that such an astronomical coincidence is likely to occur - which would make you seem extrememly gullible.
Or - You have to admit that such a coincidence is incredibly unlikely and there is more to Visor Consultants involvement than meets the eye.

Apparently there was a similar "terrorist training exersize" regarding a plane attack on the pentagon being carried out in America - on Sept 11th 2001 - though I haven;t really done the research on that.


Everyone admits that their governemts are involved in black-ops, subterfuge, spying, espionage, assasination - but not, it seems, in regards to any major world event.

"Yeah, sure we've lied in the past - but I promise you - this time we're definately NOT lying!"


But, if it makes you feel any better - just label me a conspiracy theorist troll and bury your head back in the sand 		2011-05-11 13:21:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Actually, I'm not a conspiracy theorist... and I'm not a troll. It's just easy for whomever to classify me as such as it stops them from actually looking at "the evidence" (contrary or not) - and dismisses the counter argument wholesale, without addressing any of the glaring inconsistencies with the "accepted" version of events.

Unfortunately - publicly admitting to skeptism about the official version of events puts you in the company of conspiracy theorists and trolls.

But conversely - agreeing with the official version of events makes you a "coincidence theorist" - capable of believing in astronomical coincidences... as if million to one chances happen 9 times out of 10.

A conspiracy theory, according to Merriam-Webster, is one "that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators." This is precisely what you have insinuated with your references to the Bilderbergs and this 7/7 conspiracy. Your definition of a "coincdence theorist" is merely an attempt to disparage or dismiss those who disagree with you, or cast them in the same light as you: "capable of believing in astronomical coincidences..."


9/11 was not just some random attack, out of the blue, by a bunch of religious nutjobs. It was blowback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29) from the CIA's previous dealings with Osama (who was once described as "The CIA's greatest assett in the middle-east).
Also, an independant Swedish security firm (who sepcialise in voice recognition technology for banks) did their own analysis on the "Osama" tapes - where he admitted his guilt... and found that, not only did the tapes differ from the 'known' recordings of Osama - but they also differed from each other - meaning each tape was recorded by a different voice.... although the CIA confirmed each tape as "genuine".
Now the CIA have been caught out - on multiple occasions - to have been lying and giving false testimony... This Swedish security firm has not. They are therefore a more 'trusted source' - as the CIA (if 9/11 was indeed a Blowback event) has it's own motivation for lying.Care to cite your source? The only references to this story I could pull were from conspiracy sites, which typically do not use standard ethical and journalistic standards. Again, if this were true, why hasn't it made headlines across the world? Most likely because the source of such stories can not be corroborated or backed up with factual evidence.


Visor Consultants involvement in the 7/7 bombings is the loose thread that unravels the whole jumper of the official version of events. Anyone interested should also do some searching for "The Missing CCTV Footage" of 7/7.I went on that site you provided, by the way, which is cleverly self-contained and contains very little reference to external sources. Ironically enough, about half way down, the purported source from Visor Consultants admitted in plain language that their security drills on that day were merely a coincidence. Would it be strange if, on the day my office practiced our fire drills, that a fire broke out down the street? Not at all. It would be a coincidence. I also wouldn't subsequently make a website about it and start spouting doom, gloom and government conspiracy.

Also, if this footage is "missing" how am I supposed to find it? And if I do find it, wouldn't it no longer be missing?


The chances of a private security firm accidentally choosing the exact date and location of the "real" bombings is this;
There are 274 railway stations in greater London. So the chances of picking the correct 3 stations is 274 x 273 x 272 = 20,346,144 - already greater than your statistical likelyhood of winning the lottery.
To then choose the correct date would be 20,346,144 x 365 = 7,426,342,560... that is Seven Billion, Four Hundred and Twenty Six Million, Three Hundred and Forty Two Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty to One.

So, either - You believe that such an astronomical coincidence is likely to occur - which would make you seem extrememly gullible.
Or - You have to admit that such a coincidence is incredibly unlikely and there is more to Visor Consultants involvement than meets the eye.The source of this information said they based their information on previous bombings on the Underground, and that that information was used to choose the specific locations for which they were doing testing. In other words, what you say would only be true if they used a computer to randomly pick the locations, times, etc. In fact, what happened was they consulted with the company they were working with using history and scenario mapping to determine (and significantly narrow down, mathematically) the likely targets of such an attack.


Apparently there was a similar "terrorist training exersize" regarding a plane attack on the pentagon being carried out in America - on Sept 11th 2001 - though I haven;t really done the research on that.


Everyone admits that their governemts are involved in black-ops, subterfuge, spying, espionage, assasination - but not, it seems, in regards to any major world event.I admit that covert actions take place on a daily basis by governments around the world. It does not mean that any, all or even one major world events has been driven by them. The reason they are covert is because we don't hear about them! We only hear about the ones that are made public, declassified or leaked, plain and simple. Conspiracy theorists "fill in the blanks" where there is no supporting evidence to their claims. I've said this before: it's Mad Libs for the paranoid.


"Yeah, sure we've lied in the past - but I promise you - this time we're definately NOT lying!" Look, give me some solid evidence of some shady things related to bin Laden and I'd be happy to read them, but if you can't, then perhaps (most likely) it's because there is no evidence of it in the first place. It's like seeing things in the dark that aren't there. Turn on the lights, and you'll see that the shadows were just the branches of the tree outside, or the chair in the corner of your room.



But, if it makes you feel any better - just label me a conspiracy theorist troll and bury your head back in the sand
Ugh, it's these types of phrases that just irk me to no end. Why do you insist on dismissing those of us who are skeptical of your claims as being ignorant or dismissive?

The fact is, if you're the one claiming something to be true, the burden of proof is on you. Would your theories hold any water in a court of law, or would they be subject to "reasonable doubt?"		2011-05-11 14:41:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

See...this man got his things right...
You just mention his name and hate is spread all over...even between rational people
That's why I say that dead or not, he had won anyway.		2011-05-11 14:52:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

This is good http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html2011-05-11 18:40:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

See...this man got his things right...
You just mention his name and hate is spread all over...even between rational people
That's why I say that dead or not, he had won anyway.

I don't know what planet you come from. But being notorious is not "winning".		2011-05-12 01:08:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

I don't know what planet you come from. But being notorious is not "winning".
I don't believe he's meaning this.
I think he's meaning his goal was to strike terror and fear. (Mainly in the U.S)
Even in death he achieved this. With the threat of people attacking in response to his death.		2011-05-12 01:40:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

I don't believe he's meaning this.
I think he's meaning his goal was to strike terror and fear. (Mainly in the U.S)
Even in death he achieved this. With the threat of people attacking in response to his death.

Ah. That would make sense.		2011-05-12 01:58:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

At least that's what I got from it.
I only pop in here to check, and clear stuff up if I can.
You guys have quite a discussion going. 		2011-05-12 02:01:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

I just realized Osama died on my cousin's birthday O_O2011-05-12 02:54:00

Author:
JspOt
Posts: 3607

I just realized Osama died on my cousin's birthday O_O
Really?
He was killed on my Fathers Birthday.
And my brothers birthday is 9/11.

Interesting huh?		2011-05-12 02:59:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176

Everything is a coincidence!

Then it amounts to about the most unlikely coincidence in the history of coincidences. Hence the term "Coincidence Theorist".
That really is some exquisite guess work - to accidentally pick the exact date and location of a terrorist attack - when your remit was to prepare for just such a terror attack.
Sure, it 'could' be a coincidence - but I know that if I were trying to execute a "false flag" operation - then a "Mock Terror Training Exersize" is about the best cover I could use.

Either this 7 billion to one chance happened just by accident - and the fact that they released CCTV footage of the bombers with whole minutes cut out (just as a jaguar parked in exactly the same location - on both the dry run 9 days earlier - and on the day of the actual bombing pulled up beside the cars known to be driven by the 'bombers&apos doesn;t strike anyone as even slightly unusual?

& Does anyone care to explain exactly what Osama Bin Laden had to do with Iraq?

They like to downplay the link now - because of all the lies they were caught out on - such as the WMD program - the Mobile Weapons laboratories etc - all complete fabrications to justify an illegal invasion. - But of course, that's just a coincidence.

Fact is, he had nothing, nada - zip - zero - to do with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.... and yet this link was touted by the worlds media - without any cooberrating evidence or journalistic principle. The same with every tape released by Osama post 9/11 - no independant verification, and yet every media outlet accepted them as genuine. Only when they were finally independantly examined, they were found to be false. The fact this wasn;t as widely reported as the tape releases themselves is just a coincidence.
Why it's almost as if the worlds media is controlled - possibly by a powerful group of self interested rich people (no, of course not the Bilderberg Group - that's just a coincidence)? But of course - that could only happen if the vast majority of media outlets were controlled by just a few individuals (like Rupert Murdoch - just another coincidence).
The fact Rupert Murdoch always hosts private dinners for Politicians (prior to them becoming leaders of a country)? - Just a coincidence.

It's like a black hole - there is no evidence of black holes - there is an absense of evidence that outlines it's shape. And when we are dealing with the covert, illegal actions of governments - the evidence that is missing is what is telling - like the fact there has been no independant public enquiry into 7/7 bombings (which is actually required by UK law when such events happen) - or the missing CCTV footage from what has been officially released.

The fact that 9/11 was used to justify the war in Iraq ?- just a coincidence.
The fact the Anthrax Postal attacks were blamed on Al Qaeda and used to further justify an invasion of Iraq (when in fact they were from a domestic source)? - Just a coincidence.
The Fact nearly all "coincidences" happen at politically convenient times? - Just another coincidence

Some people obviously believe that such astronomical coincidences happen all the time - and given they are all related to the same ongoing narrative further compounds the coincidence - I, however, am a bit more skeptical.

It's just like Jack Nicholson said - "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!" ;		2011-05-13 08:49:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Didn't read anything in this thread for a good amount of days.
Stop this crap, if Osama is dead he's food for worms or fishes, if he's alive he's laughing.
Go out and enjoy these nice spring days.		2011-05-13 10:42:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

No body, no pics, no footage, no evidence. Any evidence that could be provided would never be trustable as real so it's existence wouldn't matter since it couldn't prove Osamas death.

Since it can't be confirmed that he is dead, there is nothing to celebrate. Its just another day, another story. No better or worse than before it was announced.

Anyone who blindy accepts it as fact because the government/Obama say it is fact, is ignorant. No exceptions.

And anyone who argues that the lack of evidence does not mean that theres any chance that it could be fake is also ignorant.

Lastly, anyone who suddenly became patriotic after hearing it on the news or anyone who says Osama is going to hell needs to rethink their life, because they are doing it wrong.

Last last thing, Any chanting of "U.S.A" means you dont have the slightest clue about anything remotely related to us and the Middle East.

Just had to get that out, you can continue with the psuedo-ethical pretend-we-know-what-we-are-talking-about arguments for another 5-10 pages until you all realize that you will never agree on anything and forget about this topic. As is customary of all Political/Ethically based threads.

Anyone who has the urge to respond to this negatively fits all of the above criteria. No exceptions.
Yes, that means YOU.		2011-05-13 11:28:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

What is gained from faking Osama Bin Ladens death? There doesn't seem to be a WINNING situation if that really is the case. IMO it would be much easier to kill him then to fake kill him, AMIRITE?2011-05-13 11:32:00

Author:
KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

Yeah... just let it go

?I love talking about the Kennedy assasination. The reason I do is because I'm fascinated by it. I'm fascinated that our government could lie to us so blatantly, so obviously for so long, and we do absolutely nothing about it. I think that's interesting in what is ostensibly a democracy. People say "Bill, quit talking about Kennedy man. It was a long time ago, just let it go, alright? It's a long time ago, just forget it. It was just, you know, hur, taking over of democracy by a totalitarian government, let it go". I'm like, alright, then don't bring up Jesus to me. As long as we're talking shelf life here...?
Bill Hicks		2011-05-13 11:33:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

What is gained from faking Osama Bin Ladens death? There doesn't seem to be a WINNING situation if that really is the case. IMO it would be much easier to kill him then to fake kill him, AMIRITE?

You are wrong.

Obama gets higher approval rating, people suddenly feel pride, etc, all the usual patriotic BS that would happen if something positive happened for a country.

So much to gain for his death, nothing to lose. All the reason to fake it. Fake or real doesnt matter though it still gives the same outcome. If it is fake the worse thing that could happen would be Osama releases a tape and then the government has to whipe the perverbial egg off of their faces.

Btw, memes, you're doing them wrong.		2011-05-13 11:38:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

Anyone who has the urge to respond to this negatively fits all of the above criteria. No exceptions.
Yes, that means YOU..


& Obama is only one letter away from Osama!!!

Coincidence?! ... well, yes actually 		2011-05-13 12:40:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Whoa!! I step out of thread some days ago thinking nothing further to discuss since Osama is sleeping with the fishes.

Then I come in here to gunfire with a few users opening fire on each other.

Is this part of what Osama left behind, hostility in the streets of LBPC?

Glad I'm not involved. Don't mind me. Stepping out now. But before I leave I will say that I believe he was killed, and that's all I'm saying. Some people . . . you know who you are . . . disagree and that's fine. To each their own.

This should be a time of peace. Group hug anybody? . . . Anybody? . . . No? . . . Okay, bye.		2011-05-13 13:01:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Hogwash

Btw, memes, you're doing them wrong.

That was a cheap shot bremnen :L
Son, i am disappoint.		2011-05-13 13:24:00

Author:
KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

Then it amounts to about the most unlikely coincidence in the history of coincidences. Hence the term "Coincidence Theorist".
That really is some exquisite guess work - to accidentally pick the exact date and location of a terrorist attack - when your remit was to prepare for just such a terror attack.
Sure, it 'could' be a coincidence - but I know that if I were trying to execute a "false flag" operation - then a "Mock Terror Training Exersize" is about the best cover I could use.

Except it was a coincidence. Admittedly so by the very source which you claim your information came from. I suppose he must have been paid off, right? Again, you choose to ignore the easiest explanation and instead purport the most unsubstantiated (and ludicrous) one. The sites were chosen because of historical relevancy, not by complete randomness. I ask you this: what does a training excercise by a security firm have anything to do with "deceiv(ing) the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities?"


Either this 7 billion to one chance happened just by accident - and the fact that they released CCTV footage of the bombers with whole minutes cut out (just as a jaguar parked in exactly the same location - on both the dry run 9 days earlier - and on the day of the actual bombing pulled up beside the cars known to be driven by the 'bombers&apos doesn;t strike anyone as even slightly unusual?It's not 7 billion to one, as I pointed out. If the sites had been chosen randomly, you would be correct. But they were not. I haven't seen any CCTV footage with "minutes" missing. If you could post a source (which you haven't yet) I'd be happy to check it out. Not sure what a jaguar has to do with anything, but I'm pretty sure that cars parking in the same spots in a place of business wouldn't be unusual at all.


& Does anyone care to explain exactly what Osama Bin Laden had to do with Iraq?There were allegations that they had ties but they have been proven to be loose or inconsequential at best. We went to war in Iraq to topple a dictator, but were also told that it was because of WMDs when the intelligence suggested as much. That intelligence turned out to be incorrect.


They like to downplay the link now - because of all the lies they were caught out on - such as the WMD program - the Mobile Weapons laboratories etc - all complete fabrications to justify an illegal invasion. - But of course, that's just a coincidence.

Fact is, he had nothing, nada - zip - zero - to do with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.... and yet this link was touted by the worlds media - without any cooberrating evidence or journalistic principle.
Well, they weren't fabrications. There were sources in U.S. intelligence (and other national intelligence agencies) that were feeding us incorrect information. What happened is that the U.S. used this intelligence one of several arguments to go to war. It was a bad decision, and one I personally despise. But there is no conspiracy here, just incompetence by the the intelligence community and gullibility on behalf of the American people and its allies. This glaring mistake by our government has been investigated, dissected and lambasted by the media in the years since the Iraq war, and rightly so.


The same with every tape released by Osama post 9/11 - no independant verification, and yet every media outlet accepted them as genuine. Only when they were finally independantly examined, they were found to be false. The fact this wasn;t as widely reported as the tape releases themselves is just a coincidence.Again, I'd love to see your sources. Every tape release by Osama for the last 10 years? That's simply not true. I've heard that some audio tapes purporting to be made by Osama have later turned out to be false, but again, if this were true (i.e. verifiable, factually sound, etc.) it would be worldwide news.


Why it's almost as if the worlds media is controlled - possibly by a powerful group of self interested rich people (no, of course not the Bilderberg Group - that's just a coincidence)? But of course - that could only happen if the vast majority of media outlets were controlled by just a few individuals (like Rupert Murdoch - just another coincidence).
The fact Rupert Murdoch always hosts private dinners for Politicians (prior to them becoming leaders of a country)? - Just a coincidence.It's almost as if the world's conspiracy sites are controlled - possibly by a paranoid group of self-interested lunatics (no, not the conspiracy theorists - that's just a coincidence)? But of course, that could only happen if the vast majority of the internet were drowned out by loonies and crazies (like Alex Jones - just another coincidence). The fact that Alex Jones and his ilk have been proven wrong on so many things that he is entirely ignored by the mainstream media (except Fox) - just a coincidence.

Seriously, though... you really believe that thousands, no tens of thousands of journalists around the world are controlled and manipulated by a handful of men? You're more crazy than I thought.


It's like a black hole - there is no evidence of black holes - there is an absense of evidence that outlines it's shape. And when we are dealing with the covert, illegal actions of governments - the evidence that is missing is what is telling - like the fact there has been no independant public enquiry into 7/7 bombings (which is actually required by UK law when such events happen) - or the missing CCTV footage from what has been officially released.It's a bad analogy, as we do have observable evidence (http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resources/explorations/blackholes/teacher/sciencebackground.html#9) of black holes. Regardless, I found an article stating that a public inquiry could very well still happen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10742197). It just hasn't yet. While I agree one is necessary, an inquest was recently concluded (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/may/06/7-7-inquest-verdict-live-coverage). Now, I don't understand the difference between an inquest and a public inquiry as it pertains to British law, so I can't say what has or hasn't been satisfied in this respect. Is it that the inquest wasn't done independently? And where does the law state that a public inquiry must be done so independently?


The fact that 9/11 was used to justify the war in Iraq ?- just a coincidence.
The fact the Anthrax Postal attacks were blamed on Al Qaeda and used to further justify an invasion of Iraq (when in fact they were from a domestic source)? - Just a coincidence.Did you read the letters sent with the Anthrax? They were sent out the week after 9/11, and contained phrases like "We have anthrax. You die now. Are you afraid? Death to America. Death to Israel. Allah is great." However, investigations into the allegations of a connection between Iraq and the anthrax have been amply investigated. From this article (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax/print.html), highlighting the extensive investigation into these false allegations: "It's extremely possible -- one could say highly likely -- that the same people responsible for perpetrating the (anthrax) attacks were the ones who fed the false reports to the public, through ABC News, that Saddam was behind them." Did it help firm up support for the Iraq war? Sure. Was it a false flag event or part of the general hysteria that pervaded American media in the months after 9/11? I'd argue the latter.


The Fact nearly all "coincidences" happen at politically convenient times? - Just another coincidenceThey're only politically convenient if you believe them to be.


Some people obviously believe that such astronomical coincidences happen all the time - and given they are all related to the same ongoing narrative further compounds the coincidence - I, however, am a bit more skeptical.

It's just like Jack Nicholson said - "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!" ;There's a fine line between a coincidence and a conspiracy. The problem is, you lack proof. In fact, your theories lie in direct contrast to established fact. Unfortunately, the result of that conundrum is that it poses a bit of a problem in the realm of logical argument.

The burden is on you, and I'm sorry to say, but you've failed miserably of providing any proof of your theories. Perhaps you need to reformulate your hypothesis?

All of these things are related to Osama because of his affiliation with terrorism, Al Qaeda, and the major events that have shaped the 21st century. There have been missteps along the way, and some bad intelligence that took us into a war we never should have started (in my opinion.) There have been false statements, lies, and allegations that have shaped the course of action through these times. I agree with your general call for transparency and public disclosure, but I am disturbed that you make such grand assumptions and "leaps of faith" about nearly every major event in the last decade. To sit here and call all of these events in the world part of some global conspiracy is not only dangerous, but factually unsound.		2011-05-13 14:55:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Osama Recordings were Fake (http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/13/osama-bin-elvis) ;
"In 2007 Switzerland's Dalle Molle Institute for Artificial Intelligence, which does computer voice recognition for bank security, compared the voices on 15 undisputed recordings of Osama with the voices on 15 subsequent ones attributed to Osama, to which they added two by native Arab speakers who had trained to imitate him and were reading his writings. All of the purported Osama recordings (with one falling into a gray area) differed clearly from one another as well as from the genuine ones. By contrast, the CIA found all the recordings authentic."


It isn't the journalists who decide what goes into a national news report - it's the editors.
Media is a weapon of war - a propaganda tool. You should read up on how non-western controlled media outlets are reporting on things like the current Libyan Conflict - and you'll quickly see how there is a completely different interpretation to events as what is portrayed from within our own propaganda bubble, News agencies such as Al-Jaseera or Chinese CCTV News.


Other discrepencies include - all footage purported to be of the 7/7 bombers that has been released was actually taken from the "dry run" on the 28th of June. The CCTV footage purporting from 7/7 always has the time stamp obscured - so, why would they obscure the time stamp if they had nothing to hide? Of course, it's just a coincidence that the time-stamp was removed.

You can view the "Jaguar" footage here (http://vimeo.com/16127256);
I guess it's just another "coincidence" that this footage cuts out exactly as the Jaguar approches the bombers car.

If you knew half of the stuff that has already been proved to be true (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA) - and consider that in all likelyhood, it is still going on (a government will not surrender a usefull illegal weapon if it is usefull to them - they will simply deny it's existence - See Isreal's Nuclear Weapons for further proof) - you may draw a different conclusion. That the missing CCTV footage probably shows their M15 minder handing them their Rucksacks (of course all attempts to get the police to investigate the jaguar have fallen on deaf ears - coincidentally)

Also - "coincidentally" - the 76 CCTV cameras from Kings Cross Station just happened to 'malfunction' on the morning of 7/7 between 8.30am - 8.50am (the exact time of the bombings). Wow - What a "coincidence"!

Am I really so "factually unsound" to conclude that maybe - just "maybe" - these aren't coincidences... sure taking one event on it's own you might conclude it was a "bizarre" coincidence - but when you start stacking them up, they make up the most unlikely series of coincidences in the history of coincidences.
Anyone who believes the current "official" version of events is clearly a coincidence theorist.


On May 27th 2003 - there was a report that Saddam Hussien did not have the capabilty for Mobile Weapons Laboratories (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._claims_of_Iraqi_bioweapons_labs_contradicted_ in_classified_Pentagon_report_filed_on_27_May_2003 ) (to date - no government in the world has "Mobile Weapons Labs) ;
Yet despite the report the Bush Administration continued to insist that Saddam did have such Labs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_weapons_laboratory#****_Cheney_continued_to _claim_trailers_were_mobile_labs) - Evidence, you might say, that they were deliberately lying to make a case for war.
It was claimed that the Anthrax strain could only have come from Iraqi biological weapons labs (despite being an American strain of Anthrax)
And "coincidentally" - the British counter-part Iraqi weapons expert Dr.David Kelly - suffered a very politically convenient death (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html).

And if you understand how the 7/7 bombings gave a massive resurgence for waning support for America's war on terror - you might say the 7/7 bombers did the Politicians a favour - coincidentally of course.

Of course all of these niggling doubts and inconsistencies can simply be laid to rest with those magic 4 words - "It was a coincidence". 		2011-05-13 16:57:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Osama Recordings were Fake (http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/13/osama-bin-elvis)

The only other legitimate link I could find was this one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2526309.stm) from the BBC, in which it says that only one of the tapes (not all) was a fake. It is not uncommon for other "unattributed" tapes to be submitted to Arab networks purporting to be one jihadist group or another. In other words, it's not surprising that one tape out of many turned out to be a fake. The only other links I can find backing up your version (i.e. all the tapes) are located on conspiracy sites.


It isn't the journalists who decide what goes into a national news report - it's the editors.
Media is can be a weapon of war - a propaganda tool. (It can also be a legitimate source of valid and truthful information.)Fixed that for you.


You should read up on how non-western controlled media outlets are reporting on things like the current Libyan Conflict - and you'll quickly see how there is a completely different interpretation to events as what is portrayed from within our own propaganda bubble, News agencies such as Al-Jaseera or Chinese CCTV News. ...Which is why I have several international news feeds in addition to my American ones. Do you know what this country would do if it didn't have it's celebrity gossip? IQs around the country would skyrocket! Can't have that, you know.



Other discrepencies include - all footage purported to be of the 7/7 bombers that has been released was actually taken from the "dry run" on the 28th of June. The CCTV footage purporting from 7/7 always has the time stamp obscured - so, why would they obscure the time stamp if they had nothing to hide? Of course, it's just a coincidence that the time-stamp was removed.

You can view the "Jaguar" footage here (http://vimeo.com/16127256);
I guess it's just another "coincidence" that this footage cuts out exactly as the Jaguar approches the bombers car.

If you knew half of the stuff that has already been proved to be true (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA) - and consider that in all likelyhood, it is still going on (a government will not surrender a usefull illegal weapon if it is usefull to them - they will simply deny it's existence - See Isreal's Nuclear Weapons for further proof) - you may draw a different conclusion. That the missing CCTV footage probably shows their M15 minder handing them their Rucksacks (of course all attempts to get the police to investigate the jaguar have fallen on deaf ears - coincidentally)Like I said, I haven't seen any footage. It's intriguing to the point of launching a public inquiry, but I think it's a stretch to assume the positions your questions take: i.e. "they had something to hide" and "it's not a coincidence that the time-stamp was removed." From what I can see of this footage (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1918523/CCTV-footage-of-77-explosion-shown-in-court.html), which was shown in a court of law, this specific train had entered the tunnel prior to the detonation. I'm not sure what a CCTV camera would be doing in a darkened tunnel. Note there are no timestamps or any other markings on this video. Perhaps there was nothing to "remove?"

There's really no context to the footage I'm being shown here. Was this a raw, unedited copy of the footage? Or something released to the public? Regardless, what does it prove? What of the numerous videos showing the bombers gathering materials, or eye-witness accounts, or all the other evidence pointing to the fact they did it? Are they all in on this conspiracy too?

Lastly, what the hell does MKULTRA have anything to do with this? Look! Governments are capable of secret projects and bad things! That's the only possible explanation for what must be happening here?


Also - "coincidentally" - the 76 CCTV cameras from Kings Cross Station just happened to 'malfunction' on the morning of 7/7 between 8.30am - 8.50am (the exact time of the bombings). Wow - What a "coincidence"!I couldn't find any reports of this in the media, including reports from the inquest. The only sources I can find are other conspiracy sites.


Am I really so "factually unsound" to conclude that maybe - just "maybe" - these aren't coincidences... sure taking one event on it's own you might conclude it was a "bizarre" coincidence - but when you start stacking them up, they make up the most unlikely series of coincidences in the history of coincidences.
Anyone who believes the current "official" version of events is clearly a coincidence theorist.Yes, when you start saying the word "coincidence" in light of facts, yes, I can see how you can come to your conclusions. However, all you seem to have are questions (some valid) and no answers. In order to validate a theory, one must test it. The short of it is there is simply no evidence to back your allegations.



On May 27th 2003 - there was a report that Saddam Hussien did not have the capabilty for Mobile Weapons Laboratories (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._claims_of_Iraqi_bioweapons_labs_contradicted_ in_classified_Pentagon_report_filed_on_27_May_2003 ) (to date - no government in the world has "Mobile Weapons Labs) ;
Yet despite the report the Bush Administration continued to insist that Saddam did have such Labs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_weapons_laboratory#****_Cheney_continued_to _claim_trailers_were_mobile_labs) - Evidence, you might say, that they were deliberately lying to make a case for war.
It was claimed that the Anthrax strain could only have come from Iraqi biological weapons labs (despite being an American strain of Anthrax)
And "coincidentally" - the British counter-part Iraqi weapons expert Dr.David Kelly - suffered a very politically convenient death (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html).An ignored report, an administration official in denial, and a weapons expert who committed suicide... you somehow link them altogether to support your claim without providing any evidence of a link or a supporting argument. You ask the reader to "connect the dots" and let their minds wander on their own without placing any burden of proof on what you allege. The last story is sensational at best, and I'm sure it helped sell a lot of copies of his subsequent book.


And if you understand how the 7/7 bombings gave a massive resurgence for waning support for America's war on terror - you might say the 7/7 bombers did the Politicians a favour - coincidentally of course.There apparently are only two choices: either what you allege, or it was a "coincidence." That's a false dilemma. Perhaps there are other choices than just those two? Maybe most people don't dig around for every inconsistency and try to string them together to form some sort of pattern? Maybe it was just another strike against the West by those who wish to wage jihad against us for the injustice they feel we have perpetrated on them?


Of course all of these niggling doubts and inconsistencies can simply be laid to rest with those magic 4 words - "It was a coincidence". Your continued use of the word "coincidence" in quotations and at the conclusion of each of your arguments is merely meant to belittle anything that I attempt to refute. You try to chalk my statements up to a sort of naive misunderstanding of events, when all you do is ask questions and provide no answers. You raise some leading questions, state some provocative things, but fail to do much else constructive to substantiate any sort of global false flag conspiracy.

All that has been proven here is how easy it is to take what is unknown and create a fantastic story to explain it. Man has been doing this since the beginning of time. The sun is a god who rides across the sky in a golden chariot, and the earth is the center of the universe! What a coincidence! In the end, I hardly think we'll ever see eye to eye on this. *sigh*

To each their own, I suppose.

Where's Hana_Kami? I need a hug.		2011-05-13 20:50:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Y'know Mac, for someone who spends so much time denigrating America you really are starting to sound like the raving dregs of American society though I'm glad it hasn't gotten in the way of your ability to run off on tangents and conjecture in place of genuine proof.

I'm not going to deny Obama took the actions (whatever the details behind them may be) he did to increase his own approval rating, but given the chance to give the kill order for the FBI's most wanted man just about anyone in his position would. And while there are people that demand proof in the form of the photographic evidence or whatnot he has little reason to see a benefit to doing so as the most vocal have already shown themselves to be nothing more then an unpleasable strawgrasping mob driven by blind hatred and prejudices rather then genuine criticisms of his actions. When Obama took steps to prove his US citizenship and even released his own birth certificate twice (and even McCain stepped up to defend his status) none of it was enough to satisfy them and it is likely that taking similar actions in regards to Osama would just result in continuing a pattern of attempts at public appeasement and increasingly unreasonable accusations of falsification.		2011-05-14 18:11:00

Author:
Dapiek Absaroka
Posts: 512

I thought this was interesting/cute on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pkKNPEU8oc		2011-05-14 23:46:00

Author:
Maxi
Posts: 1176


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