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I've noticed something strange. Over the last few days a couple of my posts seem to have been deleted or didn't register to the boards. I made a post in the "Creating Pressure" thread in Everything Else LittleBigPlanet 2 about an hour ago, confirmed the post was visible on the thread page, then I come back now and it isn't there. It also doesn't appear in my posts list. What's going on? Is this a technical issue? If my posts are being deleted I'd like some reason for it, or at least a notification.

2011-04-25 16:12:00 Author: Unknown User

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The mods like to do that around here sometimes. I would appreciate a short note too when that happens.

2011-04-25 16:40:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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The problem is my posts weren't offensive or spammy in nature at all, they were simply contributing to the topic as they always do. I'm not one to abuse this forum.

2011-04-25 16:46:00 Author: Unknown User

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Well, my last post that was deleted (yesterday) was probably deemed off-topic. Not sure why they deleted it seeing has it hasn't changed the course of the thread at all and wasn't mean-spirited or anything like that.

2011-04-25 16:50:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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I made a post in the "Creating Pressure" thread in Everything Else LittleBigPlanet 2 about an hour ago, confirmed the post was visible on the thread page, then I come back now and it isn't there. It also doesn't appear in my posts list. From the site rules (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=21530-Rules-Consequences)... Stay on topic and post only if you have something to contribute to the conversation. You posted a link to a seemingly unrelated YouTube video, which encouraged another user to post a rickroll video. Both posts were deleted as off-topic. In retrospect the video was marginally on-topic, albeit incredibly tenuously. I've restored that particular post (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=55480-Creating-Pressure&p=834798&viewfull=1#post834798) for now, and ask the community to decide whether it was 'spammy' or not. If my posts are being deleted I'd like some reason for it, or at least a notification. I would appreciate a short note too when that happens. There are dozens of posts deleted every day, and we don't really have time to explain the reasons in each case, except in extreme circumstances. Not sure why they deleted it seeing has it hasn't changed the course of the thread at all and wasn't mean-spirited or anything like that. It had started to affect the course of the thread - there were three followups tending towards random drivel which were also deleted.

2011-04-25 17:08:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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Technically I was speaking through the video, as I thought it would be some nice insight to the OP's situation. Just a creative way of saying what I was going to say. I of course didn't know the post resulted in a spam post following it, but the underlying meaning might not be very clear to everyone. Just a simple difference in perception and how others view the post besides me. Cases like this can be difficult to judge, I understand.

2011-04-25 17:21:00 Author: Unknown User

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It had started to affect the course of the thread - there were three followups tending towards random drivel which were also deleted. Were there? Ok, I had only seen the reply of the person at whom my post was directed. I personally wasn't going to follow up on it after that positive reply.

2011-04-25 17:26:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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There are dozens of posts deleted every day, and we don't really have time to explain the reasons in each case, except in extreme circumstances. I know being a mod is a tough job at times, but that's what you folks signed on for. No disrespect intended... but that's just an excuse for being lazy or not caring enough on the individual Mod's part. If it's bad enough to be pulled from the forum, then it's bad enough to give a reason why and give a friendly reminder of site rules. It only takes a minute (max) to send a PM or edit the person's post with a response saying "Off Topic, Rude, Flame War Starter, etc" to let someone know they have crossed a line. If people aren't made aware of what they are doing wrong, how can we expect them to change their ways? People will keep making the same mistakes over and over, then run the risk of being silenced or banned without fair warning. It's entirely possible that the OP of removed material may assume their post got deleted by some accidental site glitch (some people don't fully understand the internet or forums, and can't be faulted for that), and re-post the material deemed inappropriate. This would likely irritate the Mod more, as they may assume that it was re-posted in defiance... leading to harsh consequences. I just think it better for the Mod to send a quick message to avoid problems, and out of respect for the members of this forum, without who'm there would be no forum at all. As to the video, I personally agree that it was off topic and spammy... so I guess I'd agree that it was removed with good intentions for the thread and the rest of us reading along. I got about 30 seconds into it and just got irritated with it's lack of relevance or clarity and ignored it. I honestly had no idea why I was watching some video game about skateboarding.

2011-04-26 01:47:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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I forget - can you guys see when a post has been deleted? I think you can. Usually we give a reason why something was deleted, If you need more clarification you can always pm the mod to ask why in more detail although it's usually pretty obvious.

2011-04-26 02:16:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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I forget - can you guys see when a post has been deleted? I think you can. Usually we give a reason why something was deleted, If you need more clarification you can always pm the mod to ask why in more detail although it's usually pretty obvious. Oh, you already forgot what it was like to be normal? XD No, only mods can see where posts are deleted... And I concur with rustbukkit, you really should take an extra minute or two to edit the post or send a message to the person saying so.

2011-04-26 11:39:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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If it's bad enough to be pulled from the forum, then it's bad enough to give a reason why and give a friendly reminder of site rules. Well, that's kind of the point of the infraction system. Problem is, if we infracted every post that violated the rules, almost everyone would end up permanently banned. In practise, most of the violations are borderline, and in most cases we let it slide, but the occasional post is pruned here and there in an attempt to prevent LBPC devolving into a complete spamfest like LBW. If the 'signal-to-noise ratio' were to drop too much, then many of our more respected users would leave (indeed some have already for this very reason), and we don't really want the forums to end consistly solely of spammers and trolls. Let's say that every post written is read by 100 other people. If we feel a post is going to annoy most of those readers, then... If we leave the post, the writer will be happy, but the 100 readers will be annoyed. If we delete the post, the writer will be annoyed, but the 100 readers will be happy. ...and seeing as the reader/writer roles are interchangable, then on average, everyone's happier if we delete the post, no? It wouldn't be necessary if all our users put the wishes of the community ahead of serving their own ego, but that's just not the way it works. Even you seem to believe it's more important to 'stand out from the crowd' by writing all your posts in an unusual color, rather than making them as legible as possible for the benefit of the many others who have to read them. I can't speak for everyone, but for me, it's irritating enough that I generally don't bother reading them, but perhaps that's your goal. It only takes a minute (max) to send a PM or edit the person's post with a response saying "Off Topic, Rude, Flame War Starter, etc" to let someone know they have crossed a line. Perhaps, but it's sufficiently annoying that, in the absence of a paycheck, there exists little motivation to do so. Most of the time people don't even notice, and if they do, they usually know why. Much of this comes from the limitations of the forum software. When there's a huge run of off-topic stuff, it's very simple to delete it all in a few clicks, but 'mass-infracting' all the authors is just not possible - each has to be done separately, and it takes up too much time - time which I could better spend, say, answering people's queries in the Help! forum. If you'd care to locate a vB plugin to make this easier, or write one to do it, then I'd be happy to use it. People will keep making the same mistakes over and over, then run the risk of being silenced or banned without fair warning. If they continue to violate the rules, they will always receive a warning before any other action is taken. In practise I've found that oftentimes it's better to delete without warning. Many users become very hostile when they receive a warning, to the point of being irrational, and it's impossible to reason with an irrational person. So it's often better to avoid the confrontation in the first place. It's entirely possible that the OP of removed material may assume their post got deleted by some accidental site glitch (some people don't fully understand the internet or forums, and can't be faulted for that), and re-post the material deemed inappropriate. This would likely irritate the Mod more, as they may assume that it was re-posted in defiance... leading to harsh consequences. Not at all. In most cases they realise the post was deleted for a reason, and don't repost. If they don't 'get it' and do repost then we will notify them. It's easy to criticize the moderation staff, but I'd suggest you actually have a go at the job before you do. If you had, then you'd never have written all that... trust me.

2011-04-26 16:51:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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but it's sufficiently annoying that, in the absence of a paycheck, there exists little motivation to do so. That doesn't seem like a good attitude for a mod to have. Yep, can't see that my post was deleted.

2011-04-26 17:09:00 Author: Spider-Jew Posts: 1090

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That doesn't seem like a good attitude for a mod to have. It's just how humans generally behave - they act based on motivation. If they didn't, the entire race would've been extinct a long time ago. An ideal mod wouldn't have that problem, but they would also need to be a robot, not a human. If you know of a robot with sufficient skills to do this job, please let me know.

2011-04-26 18:55:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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It's just how humans generally behave - they act based on motivation. If they didn't, the entire race would've been extinct a long time ago. An ideal mod wouldn't have that problem, but they would also need to be a robot, not a human. If you know of a robot with sufficient skills to do this job, please let me know. Comphermc & rtm223. Anywho, speaking of randomly deleted posts, I found a bunch of N/A links in my "Recently Thanked Posts" area, either that means a post of mine was deleted or a thread with a post was deleted, but when I asked one of the mods I was ignored, now in that case, how do I know if I was the one that did something wrong, or was the thread deleted if I have no way to know what was deleted?

2011-04-26 19:37:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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The thanked posts with the N/A means the post/thread was deleted. (You didn't ask me)

2011-04-26 19:44:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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The thanked posts with the N/A means the post/thread was deleted. (You didn't ask me) Oh, I know it means the post or thread was deleted, the problem is which was it. I can't tell wether it was the thread or the post in those cases as the link to the thanked post is deleted, so you can't see the title of the thread, nor link to the post, in which case its kinda dificcult to tell what was deleted. (Oh, and I was going to, but you weren't online at the time. )

2011-04-26 19:56:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Anywho, speaking of randomly deleted posts, I found a bunch of N/A links in my "Recently Thanked Posts" area, either that means a post of mine was deleted or a thread with a post was deleted, but when I asked one of the mods I was ignored, now in that case, how do I know if I was the one that did something wrong, or was the thread deleted if I have no way to know what was deleted? There were a few off-topic posts in the PSN Downtime thread which got nuked to try to keep it on track, and a thread someone started to attack Stephanie Ravens... again.

2011-04-26 19:57:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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Noe that I think about it, is it possible to make deleted posts viewable, but ONLY to the person who posted them... and the mods of course. Kinda like how you can view deleted messages on your profile... Because, if there were a way to make it so people can see the blurb of a deleted post with the reason why, but no one else can see it, all the problems in this thread would be solved. And it seems like a simple enough task that it could be edited using user groups... Ah well. Just my suggestion.

2011-04-26 20:25:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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There were a few off-topic posts in the PSN Downtime thread which got nuked to try to keep it on track, and a thread someone started to attack Stephanie Ravens... again. In other words, "things you would expect most times to be deleted". If you have been around here a long time, I think it's common sense when you see an NA in your thanked list. You pretty much know which thread it probably was. For example.. if you report a post as well as comment "Hey dude.. calm down. This is just a fan site and no need to go attacking other members." There might be quite a few that thank you as well as 4 others that post agreeing with you. That would equate to 5 members besides the OP that the mod has to write to. That sounds horribly tedious to me. Just report the thread or the post, make your comment if you feel you must and move on.. They will take care of it at some point. I'd rather the mods to have to do less rather than more. We don't need them burnt out as much as others! lol

2011-04-26 20:48:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Let me start by saying I do not wish this to turn into a big ordeal or arguement. I'm just voicing my opinion and trying to understand where the Mod's are coming from. Try not to read this with an angry voice in your head folks... it's just me calmly speaking my thoughts. Well, that's kind of the point of the infraction system. Problem is, if we infracted every post that violated the rules, almost everyone would end up permanently banned. Then clearly, your infraction system is broked and/or you aren't allowing for enough freedom of speech. It wouldn't be necessary if all our users put the wishes of the community ahead of serving their own ego, but that's just not the way it works. Even you seem to believe it's more important to 'stand out from the crowd' by writing all your posts in an unusual color, rather than making them as legible as possible for the benefit of the many others who have to read them. Uhh... what? What the hell does that have to do with anything being discussed here? Why you are equating coloured text to this topic baffles me, and that you are even attempting to stretch it to mean that I am putting my own ego ahead of the rest of the community sure makes me scratch my head. I'm pretty confident that if anything were to make me stand out in this community, it's the fact that I don't speak like a redneck and can string and intelligent thought together in one accurate sentence (that coupled with the fact that I don't pull any punches or sugarcoat things) ... not the fact that I use teal coloured text. While I admit that it may make my posts stand out more on the boards, it's simply a personal choice and the "standing out" bit is merely a by-product. If i had it my way, each and every member would have the ability to choose both the BG and text colour of thier posts, and set it like that without having to add tags. Actually, writing my posts in a different colour is a habit that generated on another forum and from the days when I "was" a Mod on a forum where the Mod's had different coloured text (much like you have different coloured names). Old habit's die hard I guess, and this one just carried over to other forums including this one. I've been doing this for years, and don't plan on changing who I am because a few people can't figure out that if you simply highlight the text... it's clearly visible. I've had one or two people complain in the past, but clearly people who do complain don't do it because it's hard to read... they do it because they don't like people being different or standing out from the crowd. Period. I find it even more amusing that people complain about someone being different or standing out on a forum that's tied to a game that's entire success is built on being different and creative. Perhaps we should consider removing the ability to change one's text colour, and abolish Sig's and Avatar's while we're at it too? I can't speak for everyone, but for me, it's irritating enough that I generally don't bother reading them, but perhaps that's your goal. Yes... clearly THAT is my goal. It's no big deal who does or doesn't read my posts, I'll just lump you and anyone else who complains about it in with all the lazy members who complain that I make loooooong posts too (boo hoo for them... because reading is hard and I don't want to learn anything or listen to what others have to say ) Hey, it's not my fault people are lazy right? Like I said, simply highlight my text and continue reading along with the rest of the forum. Perhaps, but it's sufficiently annoying that, in the absence of a paycheck, there exists little motivation to do so. Most of the time people don't even notice, and if they do, they usually know why. It's easy to criticize the moderation staff, but I'd suggest you actually have a go at the job before you do. If you had, then you'd never have written all that... trust me. The job isn't about motivation to do something (especially monetary gain... we all know that, and frankly no one cares that Mods don't get paid). It's about doing the job properly, and gaining the communities respect for doing it well. I have done it. Twice, plus I've been the founder and admin of my own site years ago. I did do all the things I'm suggesting you folks do. That's why I wrote it... trust me. I know full well it's a tough job. I suppose if I cared about any topic enough to do it again, I would... but no forum-related topic or game is important enough to take up my personal time anymore. The lack of effort on the Mod's part is an individual thing I guess, which clearly shows that the Modding on this site has become lax and problematic in that it's just not taken seriously enough in certain areas. The Mods need to Moderate their fellow Mods as well and keep them in check. Keeping your members informed is part of the process. So is staying visible and having a presence. I just think that if total freedom of speech isn't going to be allowed on this forum, then it's the Mod's job to give reasons why they are removing or editing people's posts, and when it's being done. It's just the right thing to do, and makes you look less like a forum being run like a Police State. I appreciate the job of a Mod, and think there's a few of you who do a good job of it. I just think more can be done to let the forum know when you are altering their posts. That's really what this is about... not ego's and teal coloured text.

2011-04-26 21:52:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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Like I said, simply highlight my text and continue reading along with the rest of the forum. So rather than being more thoughtful and articulate* with your posts, you instead expect everyone else to work around you? Cute. I'm clearly being trolled, so I'll give up now. You win, sir. Enjoy your delusions of grandeur. * By which I mean... Exploiting contrast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_(vision)) effectively. Avoiding 'walls of text'. Replying outside of a QUOTE block to make it easier for others to quote you.

2011-04-26 22:54:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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... Can you people take a moment from your arguement to comment on my idea? ;-; I thought it would resolve the main issue, since Morgana said you leave a notice when you delete the post anyway ;-;

2011-04-26 23:00:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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... Can you people take a moment from your arguement to comment on my idea? I don't know enough about vBulletin to know if this is possible or not. There is an option to make all deleted posts visible, but there doesn't seem to be an option to see only your own deleted posts.

2011-04-26 23:19:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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I've been doing this for years, and don't plan on changing who I am because a few people can't figure out that if you simply highlight the text... it's clearly visible. The second I read that I highlighted the text to read it And the irony just hit me that I'm posting a barely relevant reply in a thread specifically about that, maybe I should contribute.... I like RockSauron's idea, if it is really plausible then it should be worth looking into. Seems to me it could solve many possible future issues. I think I would think (woah that sounds weird) my internet just hiccuped and my post wasn't posted (also sounds weird) like Rustbukkit said, and I would most likely repost whatever I would have earlier stated, so a little message telling your post was deleted could resolve that.

2011-04-26 23:54:00 Author: Jayhawk_er Posts: 403

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So rather than being more thoughtful and articulate* with your posts, you instead expect everyone else to work around you? Cute. As I've stated, only a handful of people have ever made mention that they find my text hard to read. Please show me where in the forum rules it states that I must change who I am and follow along like another sheep in the herd, and not stray outside the box. Where does it say that part of being courteous on the forum means keeping my text black. I've seen avatars on here that would send an epileptic into a frenzy... but is it a big deal? No... it's not. The fact that you make such a big deal and are bothered so much by teal coloured text speaks volumes about you. Volumes. I'm clearly being trolled, so I'll give up now. You win, sir. Enjoy your delusions of grandeur. S'cuse me!? Gawd you are rude! I'm not sure what your problem is... but I bet it's really hard to pronounce. So, because I have an opinion that differs from yours... you see fit to call me a Troll? Wow man... that's rich! You've just gone from being a decent Mod in my books to being a complete buffoon, who clearly doesn't deserve my respect or the responsibility of being a Mod. Seems eerily reminiscent of when RTM flat-out called me a liar in front of the rest of the forum because he didn't think my apology to a specific forum member was sincere. I suppose it says a lot about the exact problem with the Mod's on this forum that I'm trying to illustrate. I'm beginning to finally understand why so many respected members of this community have decided to jump ship now! Up until now, you had struck me as someone with more maturity and intelligence than the average 17 year old spoiled brat we see so often on forums these days. This latest response from you however, clearly indicates to myself and many others here on the forum that you are not mature enough to field questions/comments, or engage in rational and healthy discussions about this forum and how it is run. Change cannot possibly come without these discussions... on either parties end. This cowardice reaction of attempting to label me as a Troll (which I am clearly not), reads as a sad failure on your part of both being a Mod and a worthy member of this community. * By which I mean... Exploiting contrast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_(vision)) effectively. Avoiding 'walls of text'. Replying outside of a QUOTE block to make it easier for others to quote you. I am an artist who spent 3+ hours a day from Grade 9 through to Grade 12 learning much finer points of art than the in's and out's of things you might find exciting like the concept of contrast. But thanks for taking the easy way out to explain yourself while remaining mostly vague as to what the hell you are going on about (and remaining off-topic and avoiding the actual conversation). I'm sure everyone reading along appreciates your meager attempts to clarify yourself and participate in the conversation, and your random useless link to a trusted source like Wikipedia So really what you are saying is that it upsets you that I have coloured text, make longer posts than the average joe, and reply within quote blocks making it difficult for others to easily quote me? To top it all off you are inferring that I do all this intentionally in order to somehow thumb my nose at the rest of the community. Wow man... just... WOW!! :eek: For the record, I answer people within Quote blocks so that they can clearly see which points of theirs I'm responding to. THAT, is part of being "thoughtful and articulate" (and by articulate, I mean it in the way you think it means.. which it actually doesn't). Since you're fond of adding silly links instead of taking the time to explain yourself, and that I'm pretty much done talking to a wall now... here, learn what the word actually means. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/articulate http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/articulate Question: If I was "clearly" trolling you... then why didn't you hand out some sort of warning or infraction to me? Isn't trolling against the forum rules? Or is it more likely that you just shirked your responsibility, and decided to call me names when you had nothing better to offer the conversation? Not to worry folks... it's at this point in an attempt to open dialogue with a mod on topics like this and defend myself that another will swiftly come swooping in to their rescue and politley hand me my "STFU ticket".

2011-04-27 01:02:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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... Regardless of any personal beef Aya may have with Rustbukkit, and with little knowledge of how being a mod at an active site is worth... and knowing what the consequences of doing this may be... I have to say that Aya really just made himself out to be a complete **** here >_<

2011-04-27 01:22:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Ok guys - that's enough. Tempers are flaring and this is veering way off course for the topic at hand. Look, it was a rough morning today in terms of mod stuff so we're probably a little crankier than usual. I don't think any of us are the power tripping monsters some of these posts make us out to be. Can we all just take a step back, get some perspective and come back to the idea of having deleted stuff visible to posters.? (Which I think is something CC will have to decide anyway so it's not likely to happen for at least a month) Everybody Chillax

2011-04-27 01:35:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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Look, it was a rough morning today in terms of mod stuff so we're probably a little crankier than usual. I don't think any of us are the power tripping monsters some of these posts make us out to be. Everybody Chillax With all due respect... that's a lousy excuse for Aya's actions and words. I've never had an issue with him in the past, and have no idea where this is all stemming from... but I won't be talked to or treated like that by anyone on here again. This is the second time I've been completely disrespected by a Mod in front of the community, and it's just a clear indication that your Mod's are NOT competent in remaining unbiased or in control of their words and actions. This conversation was going along just swimmingly until he started in on me, and I was merely making points and asking questions. Points and questions which clearly, other members of this forum seem to agree with... yet "I'm" the bad guy Troll here. Sorry... not good enough. Your site it slowly listing to the left... headed straight for that iceberg ahead. If this is the attitude your staff are going to take, then when you finally tank... I won't be here to play you out with the rest of the band. The correct action you should have taken was to admit that Aya was wrong, and have him publically apologize for his offside remarks and name calling. Instead... in true "Mod's banding together form" you came to his rescue and made an excuse for him... just as I predicted in my previous post. You are as predictable as you are incapable of being neutral and unbiased.

2011-04-27 01:46:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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I'm not excusing anyone's behavior and I'm certainly not in a position to speak for Aya. You two should work it out in private between yourselves. What I am saying is it's not what the thread is about and that the topic under discussion is ultimately CC's choice. I'm sorry your upset but railing against all mods really is uncalled for imo. I understand your frustration but like I said, it's not the topic under discussion and should be dealt with in private.

2011-04-27 01:51:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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So, when you guys delete posts, do we lose points as well? I'm just wondering since I lost 6 points in a thread the other day, and I have no idea why...

2011-04-27 01:58:00 Author: UberOrbPS Posts: 290

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Only the points you would have received for the post. So you don't really loose them so much as they are zero'd out since the system doesn't have that post to award you points for anymore.

2011-04-27 02:01:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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I never care much when one of my posts are deleted, it's not impotent. and i don't need a reason (like some people here were asking) told to me why it was. IMO it most likely was for the best. I'm not a rude person so i know it's not because i said something wrong most likely. but I'm sure it's always done to keep everything nice and clean and to avoid trouble from starting. honestly I'm just fine with how people's posts get deleted. sometimes i think it should be done even more then they have been. i enjoy a nice friendly forum were i can feel safe in. and this forum does a well... OK job at it i think~ *mew

2011-04-27 02:06:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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I'm not excusing anyone's behavior and I'm certainly not in a position to speak for Aya. Oh? Then please explain THIS to me. Look, it was a rough morning today in terms of mod stuff so we're probably a little crankier than usual. You two should work it out in private between yourselves. What I am saying is it's not what the thread is about and that the topic under discussion is ultimately CC's choice. I'm sorry your upset but railing against all mods really is uncalled for imo. I understand your frustration but like I said, it's not the topic under discussion and should be dealt with in private. I highly doubt that Aya is willing to discuss this further in private, considering his actions and statement here on the public forum. I understand that this is not what the thread was initially about... but it is in fact one of your staff members who have turned this conversation into what it now is. Ignoring it won't make it go away, and neither will trying to get this thread back to the original topic (which no one seems to really want to address either). That's the problem with situations like these. One of your Mods' screws up, and the rest of you want to just ignore it, make it private, and sweep it under the carpet. What are you so afraid of I wonder? That people will actually see that the Mods are just as abusive as other members are sometimes here? How is it at all fair that the consequences of someone's public actions not be carried out publicly for all to see? I could say fine, I'll stop talking about it here... but that would be unfair to the rest of the community to not know how this all plays out. I know full well that if I start a thread about Mod's being abusive and add a link to this thread, the rest of you are just going to get ticked off, lock the thread, and threaten to ban me. We've all seen it before. You're simply not allowing your members to openly discuss what concerns us... or to call for action against people who over step their bounds as Mod's. By asking me to be silent about this, you only strengthen people's perceptions that you have something to hide and that Mod's are given special treatment by other Mod's. Clearly one of your staff have acted rudely and out of line... but you'd rather we not talk about it any more. Why is that? Cc's not going to chime in on this.. and if he does get around to it during his busy school schedule, it will likely be too late then anyways. Covering the baby in order to drown it's cries will only smother and kill it. The more you try to silence your members in this way, the more they lose faith in you and this site. I will conceed that making a sweeping statement about Mod's coming to other Mod's rescue may have seemed a little harsh. You're right... there are some who would not be so quick to do so. EDIT: NEVERMIND THEN. I'LL JUST POLITELY SHUT UP NOW AND WE CAN ALL FORGET ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. NOW EVERYTHING WILL BE RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS AGAIN. LATER!

2011-04-27 02:20:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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I didn't ask you to be silent. I asked you to take it to pm's because it isn't the topic HERE. I'm not defending anyone nor would I lock a thread because people were discussing policies in a respectful way. I made the statement about it being a rough morning so you would have some perspective on why he may have been so terse. It's not an excuse, just a statement to inform the situation.

2011-04-27 02:32:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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I need to talk with Aya and the rest of the staff in order to glean a fair view of the story, but, until then, this argumentativeness is only going to cause problems. I really don't think it will solve anything. If you have an opinion, share it, but attacking people on a personal level is certainly unnecessary. As for the core of the problem - the deletion of posts without warning: honestly, we've never really considered it as an issue. However, since there are those of you who would prefer a heads-up, I've gone ahead and installed a plugin that should automatically PM you whenever we do things to your posts and threads. Everything from sticking/unsticking to deleting/undeleting should generate an automatic PM from the moderator who made the change. Since I've just installed it, I can't confirm for sure that it's working, but we'll find out soon enough. Yep, it works!

2011-04-27 02:39:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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If one of you guys want to delete this post, I'll tell you if it works or not, even though I'm guessing it will

2011-04-27 02:43:00 Author: UberOrbPS Posts: 290

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Ok UberOrbPS - I deleted it. Did it work?

2011-04-27 02:46:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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It worked, although both ConfusedCartman & Morgana deleted it, so I got two private messages

2011-04-27 02:50:00 Author: UberOrbPS Posts: 290

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lol well that's good to know.

2011-04-27 02:54:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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Is there a way for it not to tell me eveytime it happens? LOL i don't really want a PMs telling me my posts are deleted...

2011-04-27 03:04:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261

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Just received a message saying the post was undeleted, so that's working to

2011-04-27 03:05:00 Author: UberOrbPS Posts: 290

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As usual, I'm late to the party. Is there a way for it not to tell me eveytime it happens? LOL i don't really want a PMs telling me my posts are deleted... We just can't win! Actually, I'm with you -the fewer notifications I get for mundane things the better. I can't say as I've ever had a post deleted even before I became a mod - I generally don't post things that would warrant deletion and I don't bother posting in doomed threads, so I don't think I've ever had a post go missing because of a thread deletion either. Maybe I have and I've just never noticed. I guess it could be frustrating to have that happen. As for complaints about our moderation habits, deletion and such, I refer you back to the first sentence of my post. There's no way to keep everybody happy. We used to get complaints all the time for not banning a site member and then once we banned him/her, we got complaints because we banned him/her. We do our best to keep things as reasonable and balanced as possible but there will always be those who don't like our idea of "reasonable." That's why we discuss every serious action we take. Almost every infraction we give out has been discussed and agreed upon by at least three of us, and even most warnings are discussed before they're given. Bannings usually happen after every single one of us has chimed in and agreed to it. There's no rule that says we have to do it that way but it just sort of works out that way. It is our hope that by doing things this way, we'll benefit from the combined wisdom of our fellow moderators and curb any rash decisions before they happen. Again, it's common that some members don't agree but unfortunately there's nothing we can do about that--you can't please everybody all the time. Deleting posts: I'll admit it. I'm lazy. It would simply take too long to write a pm for every post we delete/edit. It's unfortunate that the deleted posts don't show--I had always assumed they did and that you'd see the little "reason for deletion" blurb we include--but I'm not willing to write a well thought out explanation and be drawn into a meaningless debate every time I delete a rageface. That's the problem with situations like these. One of your Mods' screws up, and the rest of you want to just ignore it, make it private, and sweep it under the carpet. I know this isn't what you want to hear, but your statement is pretty accurate except for the "sweep it under the carpet" bit. If a mod screws up, yes, we're almost certainly going to deal with it in private rather than in the open, and yes, we'll keep the outcome to ourselves. We do the same thing for all site members. If a member posts something rude, you report them, and we give them an infraction, we do NOT announce the infraction to the rest of the site or even to the person who did the reporting. To do so would only embarrass that member and possibly antagonize them, making things worse. Doing so when a mod is involved would cause us to appear divided and indeed be divided. If Aya points out in private that maybe I was a bit harsh to give a 45 day 4 point infraction (yes that happened and I ended up repealing the infraction ) I'll be much cooler about it than if he were to post "I can't believe you silenced so-and-so for 45 days over nothing!" in an open thread. If he publicly ridiculed my modding mistake, I would be bitter with him, and that wouldn't make for a very good mod team.

2011-04-27 05:26:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188

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With the new notification system in place, it seems like the issue about "why was my post deleted" will be resolved. You'll now have the opportunity to reach out to the mod who made the change and ask for clarification if need be. Without commenting in detail on any of the arguments made here, I would like to point out that all of us mods are also regular members of the site. While we're not busy moderating, we're reading the forums and commenting just like you folks. With that in mind, we're only human and are not exempt from making mistakes or acting in poor judgment. Should we hold ourselves to a higher standard than the average member? Sure. But that doesn't mean that we're perfect. Far from it, in fact. Hopefully the changes CC put in will allow our moderating to be a bit more transparent, which I view as a good thing.

2011-04-27 14:16:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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Say, is it supposed to PM me every time a post i report gets solved? Because it is. So if I report double posts, it PMs me when its resolved. (As a thread tho ._? ) Does it count the report itself as a post/ thread to mods?

2011-04-27 14:57:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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When you report a post, a thread is created in the mods only section of the forum. I'm guessing what you're seeing is when we lock the thread? Once we decide a matter is closed, we lock the thread so that we can easily see which matters are settled and which still need resolving.

2011-04-27 15:10:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188

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As it was said, the solution is now in place and thank you CC for your attention on the issue. This will work perfectly. I'm done with this thread, so if there's nothing else to discuss, I'm requesting a close.

2011-04-27 16:47:00 Author: Unknown User

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@Rustbukkit Look. I don't particularly want to engage in a long discussion about this, so let me just say this... I'd just spent 4 or 5 solid hours on moderating duties, when you come along and accuse me of "being lazy" and "not caring", which just felt like you were trying to bait me. In retrospect there was no way you could've known that, so I shouldn't have reacted the way I did. The whole text color issue is just a little pet peeve of mine, and although there's no official site rule prohibiting it, CC has said in the past (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=24973-Automatic-different-colours.) that we don't want to encourage people to use it in this way. To be honest, none of the stuff I accused you of really bothers me that much - I just find that color it a little hard to read, particularly when it's on the QUOTE background color which is kinda similar, but maybe I just have bad eyesight. Anyway - I hope you can forgive any transgressions on my part, and hopefully we can put this unfortunate incident behind us.

2011-04-27 17:53:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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