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A bit harsh?

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Well, as we all know, we don't like being robbed of something in LittleBigPlanet, especially costumes(well, to me.) This entire week, I have had about 20 people trying to steal my costumes, of which only 1 succeeded, due to lag. I got very angry at this, so I decided to get payback. I pulled out a Community Object, from someone named LordofTrolls, & placed it into their Moon. It was a Spammer, which meant that it spams out emitters with other boxes & junk with more emitters, causing serious lag. I placed it, & RtP'd(Return to POD) I got a message later on from the Costume Stealer, saying that I almost broke his PS3. In all honesty, was this a bit too harsh? I just HATE getting my Creations stolen.2011-04-15 03:26:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Hmmmm... well It wasn't a mature thing to do, but i doubt that it almost broke his ps3. Probably just super lag. if you don't want you costume stolen just don't wear one worth stealing. that is the only way to prevent it from getting stolen 100%. if you have a lot of dlc use some stickers hidden to prevent some people w/o dlc.2011-04-15 03:34:00

Author:
FocusRSdude
Posts: 145

By 'break' he probably meant 'freeze'.2011-04-15 03:46:00

Author:
ThisDudeRufus
Posts: 170

I dunno. He just put "u amost broke my ps3!!!1!11" & never responded afterwards.

Well, I wouldn't have to be forced to Reset my costume, if these people weren't around or if Mm made it so that the Copy P1-4 Option in the Sackbot isn't in effect, until Play Mode.		2011-04-15 04:08:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

He:
- Steals an ingame costume, a virtual item, which could've been prevenmted if user he stole the costume from, didn't try to show off to all strangers, considering his costume has been attemptedly stolen many times.

You:
- Attempts to freeze/ break a $300+ PS3, because someone copied his costume, something that really wouldn't affect him at all, and coul've been extremely easly avoided by simply not wearing the costume to strangers and people he doesn't trust.

Analize it, and decide for yourself.


Yes, people shouldn't steal, no, not everyone's gonna play by the rules, so yes, you should be more careful, its not your fault, nor was it good of him, tho its still not justifiable.		2011-04-15 04:31:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I have had multiple object stolen from me by friends of "friends". Nothing makes me more angry when some troll comes along and captures my work after I put weeks if not months into its devlopment. I resorted to posting their names on the Wall of Shame on my little big court level. Had 3 people report it to Mm...nothing happened. To be honest, I dont blame you for what you did. I think you did the right thing. His PS3 freezing will not break it. I can guarentee the he will think twice before doing that again.2011-04-15 06:34:00

Author:
sascha_winter
Posts: 163

Tbh I don't think it's too harsh (though sending a message first might be better).

This is the way I personally see it. These users, who are stealing costumes, are negatively affecting the gaming experience (Users should be able to wear what they want without having to fear it being stolen by anyone) of the users who they are stealing costumes from. In return he's got his own back by freezing the other players system (if it froze at all, it may have only caused heavy lag) Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's near impossible to break a system because of lag. And if the system does break it's much more likely it had design fault and was going to break anyway.

I wouldn't feel guilty for doing it, but, at the same time I wouldn't care if someone stole my costume anyway. Sure it'd irk me a bit, but, imo it's a pretty insignificant thing to worry about.		2011-04-15 07:03:00

Author:
SR20DETDOG
Posts: 2431

I have had multiple object stolen from me by friends of "friends". Nothing makes me more angry when some troll comes along and captures my work after I put weeks if not months into its devlopment. I resorted to posting their names on the Wall of Shame on my little big court level. Had 3 people report it to Mm...nothing happened. To be honest, I dont blame you for what you did. I think you did the right thing. His PS3 freezing will not break it. I can guarentee the he will think twice before doing that again.

I guess he wasn't friends, huh?
Seriously, do people think because someone's in your friends list, that they're you're friends and can tell them and show them anything?

Like I said, its not ok what they did, but you guys gota be more careful.

You go around showing every single person you come by, anything and everything you have, you're gonna get things stolen.
Always make sure they're not the kind to steal before letting them in your create mode, check their behaviour before entering theirs with a costume or before trying to show off objects.
Because lets be honest, 99% of "victims" are just trying to show off their objects/ costumes to anyone they meet, then when it gets stolen the get complaining, when they just weren't being careful.

I mean, look at OP, he says people have tried to steal his costume constantly, yet instead of not wearing it with randoms, he HAS to show off, instead of being careful, what happened?
It got stolen.
Its always until they get something stolen until they finally try to think...		2011-04-15 10:51:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

@Silver But isn't LittleBigPlanet supposed to be about showing your Creativity & hard work, usually in the form of Costumes &/or levels?

@Sascha...Aren't you the person who published "LittleBigCourt" in LBP1?

@SR20DETDOG Well, to me, I think everyone has their own little "Signature" Costume, like my Helghast with the Mantis arms over there, that they don't want anyone else having, except them. Just my Opinion, though.

(Going to school, nao. Don't start posting till I get back, ya hear? :kz		2011-04-15 12:35:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Sorry i cant wait for you to get back from school IronSkullKid99 Dx i cant stand people who just take an item without asking first,or a unique costume that took a long time to design & make the stickers for. I always default my sackboy when im with strangers now though. I would have done the same,even better if they sent a message like that. I would keep the message so i could look at it and lol from time to time.2011-04-15 12:46:00

Author:
gigglecrab
Posts: 232

They did something you don't like, you did something they don't like. Fair game if you ask me, even if it can be argued one method was worse than the other and this and that could be avoided, but why change your costume for idiots who want to steal them? Why should I have to have my experience hindered by playing to the rules of others? They can hinder my experience by taking my costume or forcing me to wear some crap costume, but I can't hinder them back by whatever means I deem suitable, in this case it was a troll style emitter. If they can hinder and spoil my experience, no reason to not be able to do it back. Personally why should we think about what we do back to someone because it might break their PS3? Maybe if that person had thought about their actions and the consequences before stealing a costume from someone, they wouldn't have suffered the troll emitter of doom or any other course of revenge or payback. I'm not going to take consideration for those who weren't considerate in the first place. The costume stealer had it coming to him. Simple as in my book.2011-04-15 12:48:00

Author:
Moonface
Posts: 310

Couldn't you just switch outfits when playing with people you don't trust? There's really no way to prevent them from "stealing" it, per se, but you can prevent all of that by just switching costumes or just not wearing amongst the general public. Treat your best outfits like a $1,000,000 watch or something. You probably wouldn't wear something like that on the shady part of town, now, would you?

As for your "punishment" I don't think it was too harsh, but I would have at least confronted the player as to why they were stealing my costume via text or voice chat. If they kicked me out, I'd leave a note on one of their levels with a similarly civil message "Hey, I was just wondering why you decided to copy my outfit, and then you kicked me out of your pod... what's up with that?" That way he/she can choose to respond in kind.

Sorry to hear about your string of bad luck, hopefully you can make some changes to prevent this from occurring again.		2011-04-15 12:54:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

You want someone to agree with you, and that's why you posted this.
You don't have to admit it, it's obvious.
You're hoping someone will jump in and validate your actions.
From my life experience, I can assure you that no good ever was borne of vengeance.
Let it go.
If you want to seem mature, apologize and then sever all ties with this individual.		2011-04-15 13:38:00

Author:
Unknown User

Yeah, but It seems a bit odd to change your costume every time you play with a random. Though, I usually hardly ever create with randoms - and the beta vest helps stopping people from copying.2011-04-15 13:51:00

Author:
standby250
Posts: 1113

I doubt you can break someone's ps3 with an LBP item. Freeze the system up? Sure.

If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't wear it, or don't play with randoms. This should be obvious, and I don't understand why yet another thread needs to be created about this same issue.		2011-04-15 14:34:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

I would say just don't play with people who are not your good friends while waring
a good costume. but i get the feeling this is the you let a friend join and he had a friend with him who you
don't know kind of story. to be honest i think a sackbot should not player copy a costume while in create mode,
that should only work while in play mode. this would fix this broken part of the game.
*mew

I really don't get why people Steal things in a game.
don't people have anything better to do in life?		2011-04-15 14:47:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

@ Iron, yes I created LittleBigCourt in LBP1, and has had a few updates while in LBP2. I have 3 people attempt to capture my stuff while in create, 1 succeeded. I post there names on the Wall of Shame for everyone to see. Had these theives BEG to have their names removed and even reported me. Names are still posted....justice served.2011-04-15 15:24:00

Author:
sascha_winter
Posts: 163

In my opinion, this is the way forward. Spam, theft and other various things have been to strong on LBP for too long now. We must fight back, with a stronger blow then they can hit us with. That's my opinion, i'm not changing it. They're noobs who should go make there own costumes. Not hard, click some items that look good together then sticker and decorate them. Done.2011-04-15 15:41:00

Author:
sackruler905
Posts: 103

@ Iron, yes I created LittleBigCourt in LBP1, and has had a few updates while in LBP2. I have 3 people attempt to capture my stuff while in create, 1 succeeded. I post there names on the Wall of Shame for everyone to see. Had these theives BEG to have their names removed and even reported me. Names are still posted....justice served.

Wall of Shame?		2011-04-15 15:44:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Lol not to be mean but i think that was awesome XD2011-04-15 15:48:00

Author:
Unknown User

Alright, I'm back from school &...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-:kz:

Anyways...:

@Super Um. Thanks. I guess...

@Ruler Yeah, I know. Really not that hard. Just like you said, whatever looks great together, with a couple of stickers & a deco or two.

@Sascha Knew it. :kz:

@fumet Apparently not...

@Giggle You couldn't wait? Anyways, yeah, not that hard to ask for something, instead of taking what ever you want.

@Moon You, sir, are awesome in my book. :kz:

@trahc Awwww, you can read me like a book...Except the last part. :kz:

@Gide, Standby, schm0, fumet, & Leon But that's just the problem. Why does the Sackbot Copy the Player(s) Costumes in Create Mode? Why doesn't it just take effect only in Play Mode? A lot of problems have come from this, like your friend having DLC you don't own & locking you out of your level.(Which is easily resolved, but still a nuisance) I just want to wear my costumes anywhere I please, without the risk of theft. I don't want to be Forced to keep Reseting my Costume EVERY time I goto the Moon. And the reason why I keep joining Stranger's Rooms, is because I want to make new friends.		2011-04-15 22:18:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Its a game.

What exactly would you have done if he had managed to "steal" your costume?

Would you have spammed him then got your own friends to spam him?		2011-04-15 22:31:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Why does the Sackbot Copy the Player(s) Costumes in Create Mode? Why doesn't it just take effect only in Play Mode? A lot of problems have come from this, like your friend having DLC you don't own & locking you out of your level.(Which is easily resolved, but still a nuisance)

Yup i agree, and like i said that would fixed this problem.
now if only MM would see this and get the idea that making it work
while only in play mode is a most patch~


Its a game.

What exactly would you have done if he had managed to "steal" your costume?

Would you have spammed him then got your own friends to spam him?
Saying that it's game like it don't matter what happens is bogus.

just like when someone steals your art, it does matter.
and they don't have a right to your stuff. we put are life in to this game,
hours and hours upon many hours of are life in to it.
So yes it does matter. and I'd just report a person who i found stealing.
spamming them won't do nothing, and I too say it's a bad idea. but i do also like the wall of shame idea. 		2011-04-15 22:33:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

@Kernal Who needs friends for that? :kz:

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss93/dashdotdash/Fo3Charisma.jpg		2011-04-15 22:38:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

I think it may have been a bit mean, but I could see if you really liked your costume it would be rude. It is impossible to protect against random people joining, when a friend envites you to do something and then they randomly have people joining you are up a creek. I had someone hop in a level I was working in, then they envited a friend that started to mess with things...but luckly my lag is soo bad that the level ended up crashing right then...so I didn't have to complain. Perhaps if you disconnect from your connection it would be a quick way to politely block this type of thing...not sure if you would instantly vanish from their copy attempt or not. But from what many are saying adding a little DLC or (correct me if I am wrong) a sticker set to locked that you make) will solve this issue.2011-04-15 23:02:00

Author:
celsus
Posts: 822

haha.ye sorry i went alittle crazy back there2011-04-15 23:04:00

Author:
gigglecrab
Posts: 232

@Gide, Standby, schm0, fumet, & Leon But that's just the problem. Why does the Sackbot Copy the Player(s) Costumes in Create Mode? Why doesn't it just take effect only in Play Mode? A lot of problems have come from this, like your friend having DLC you don't own & locking you out of your level.(Which is easily resolved, but still a nuisance) I just want to wear my costumes anywhere I please, without the risk of theft. I don't want to be Forced to keep Reseting my Costume EVERY time I goto the Moon. And the reason why I keep joining Stranger's Rooms, is because I want to make new friends.

I understand what you're getting at, and you have a valid point. But, so long as the issue is unresolved you have to acknowledge that you're taking a risk by doing what you're doing. That was my point. I don't think that retaliation is the best course of action. In time, this will be fixed on Mm's end if enough people complain. For now, do yourself a favor and protect your art.		2011-04-15 23:11:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

All we need is create security settings which will include, Friends and Non friends like auto reject. One setting for capturing objects, which has Allow, like auto accept, ask, basically they have to ask before they capture, and no capturing, which stops them for capturing. Then we need a setting for the copy player's costume. Four options, one that says, Auto accept, like normal, where it automatically copies your costume, ask, where a request goes on your screen every time someone tries to copy your costume, Auto Reject, where it never allows people to copy your costume and finally one that only allows the party leader to make everyones costume not copyable incase someone has the setting turned off.2011-04-16 11:11:00

Author:
sackruler905
Posts: 103

I like that idea. It would allow people to be more social and make it so if you are working on a very tedious bit of logic or such having people join would save you the worry of it getting messed up.2011-04-16 15:39:00

Author:
celsus
Posts: 822

What ever happened to "Play, Create, Share?" 2011-04-16 15:58:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

If I was sharing, I would have put my Costume on a bot & gave them permission to take my costume. It's not sharing when they take what you made without permission. It's Stealing.2011-04-16 16:16:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

If I was sharing, I would have put my Costume on a bot & gave them permission to take my costume. It's not sharing when they take what you made without permission. It's Stealing.

Yes, I know that. I'm just saying a lot of people seem to have forgotten one of the original USP's of LBP. People don't like the share much anymore.

It's down to you if you want to give your stuff away though and I can see how it would be annoying if you'd sank in a few hours into making a costume only for someone to take it. It's not the end of the world though, it's best off to ignore anyone who gives you any hassle.

Also, no need to emphasise to those words so much, I get ya! xD		2011-04-16 17:32:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

Sorry, I kinda Over-Reacted there(Mornings, mornings...) I'm just ticked off, that if they are able to use my costume, they'll give it out to the Community in a Costume level & everyone will have my costume & claim that it's theirs.2011-04-16 17:42:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

It is "Play, Create, Share" not "Play, Maybe Create,Take". 2011-04-16 21:00:00

Author:
celsus
Posts: 822

@Silver But isn't LittleBigPlanet supposed to be about showing your Creativity & hard work, usually in the form of Costumes &/or levels?

@Sascha...Aren't you the person who published "LittleBigCourt" in LBP1?

@SR20DETDOG Well, to me, I think everyone has their own little "Signature" Costume, like my Helghast with the Mantis arms over there, that they don't want anyone else having, except them. Just my Opinion, though.

(Going to school, nao. Don't start posting till I get back, ya hear? :kz

Its what its meant to be, and in a perfect world, everyone respects everyone and never steals.
We don't live in that world, not everyone lives by the same ideals an WILL steal at times.

My point, its ok and good to have nice ideals about something, just be careful, remember, there's a difference between having good ideals and being naive.

Also, if you wanna show off costumes, make a costume gallery.
BAM, you can show off your costumes, and people can't copy them other than by recreating them, but they can do that anyways if they see your costume, so its the same as taking your costume everywhere, just not with the risk of it beinf directly copied.		2011-04-16 22:04:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Imygave them permission take what you made without permission. [B] Stealing[/B

suspicious...

Anyway why is everyone making such a big deal over this!		2011-04-16 22:14:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

suspicious...

Anyway why is everyone making such a big deal over this!

Did you just combine the two sentences I said to make it look like it's my fault? :kz:

@Leon I guess so...I just wish the Community was a bit more trusting, ya know?		2011-04-16 22:31:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

@Gide, Standby, schm0, fumet, & Leon But that's just the problem. Why does the Sackbot Copy the Player(s) Costumes in Create Mode? Why doesn't it just take effect only in Play Mode? A lot of problems have come from this, like your friend having DLC you don't own & locking you out of your level.(Which is easily resolved, but still a nuisance) I just want to wear my costumes anywhere I please, without the risk of theft. I don't want to be Forced to keep Reseting my Costume EVERY time I goto the Moon. And the reason why I keep joining Stranger's Rooms, is because I want to make new friends.

I suppose. It's difficult for me to sympathize, but I can certainly empathize with your situation. To play devil's advocate, what is the worst thing that would ever happen should your costume be stolen?

I know that's not the point, it's the fact that they stole it to begin with that's the matter, but at the end of the day: are there any real negative consequences? If millions of people started wearing the exact same outfit as me, and I knew I was the progenitor of said outfit, I'd be flattered. What I'm trying to say is that the potential impact of your outfit being stolen is relatively minimal.		2011-04-16 23:40:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

@schm0 But if they start claiming it as their own(which is very high) that's when it gets to me. :kz:2011-04-16 23:57:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Cliche: what's done is done
Live and learn		2011-04-17 02:12:00

Author:
CENTURION24
Posts: 266

Ah, this thread takes me back.... In high school, I used to wear these yellow sneakers. One day, another dude came to school wearing the same style yellow sneakers, and claimed they were his idea. Obviously I was irritated. But... I took a deep breath, calmed down, followed him into the restroom... And beat him senseless with a tire iron.

He never wore those yellow shoes again.....		2011-04-17 02:55:00

Author:
CCubbage
Posts: 4430

Why not view this scenario in a more positive manner? He "stole" your costume because he liked it so much. Imitation is a form of flattery, or so they say. Rather than be mad, why not take it as a compliment? Yeah he took it without permission, but it all depends on how you look at it. That's the thing about life: It's all in how you look at things. Situations can be viewed in different viewpoints, and maybe you'll even see the good in the bad. Now, I'm not saying you should just let everyone take your stuff as a sense of flattery -- Not at all. It's just the fact that what is done is done.

And besides that, what good is being angry going to do? Anger is a negative emotion. Negative emotions don't help anyone. They hurt way more than they help.

Of course, I can't blame you for being angry about it. If it had happened to me, I'd be pretty annoyed too. But being angry about it won't solve your problem. It'll only make your life harder.		2011-04-17 03:27:00

Author:
Laharl
Posts: 152

Spammer? That's nothing. If you want to really breaks someone's property (their TV) from within LBP2, all you need to do is find the 'sine wave' sound object, and place a bunch. You can either A: place a ton of 'em (on the same high frequency) so constructive interference blows out the TV's speakers, are B: (this one is harder) you adjust them a little until destructive interference sets in; if you get it right, the TV starts to vibrate (I've actually made that happen before. Seriously o_o my TV, so the rest is guesswork]); if you can find a good resonate frequency, bam, their TV should break, or at least, the speakers should.
If you have high frequency resonate constructive wave group, and the TV has a glass screen (but who has those anymore) you can make the screen shatter.

...and they will never steal anything again! Mwahaha, MwhaHAHAHA, MWAHAHAHAHA! :kz:

Better yet, you can combine a Spammer with the infinite thermo glitch with the sound effect by making each of the little emit-units, in edition to another emitter,l also have an active sine wave object. As they emit, the sound will grow exponentially; in seconds, not only will the PS3 overload and get the YLoD, but the TV will break, too.
And then that little kid who stole your costume will be left sitting there, alone, in front of his broken toys; Before the realization hits, before the crying starts, he'll wonder, "What the *@#% just happened!?" But you'll know.
Isn't that GREAT!? Won't that be HILARIOUS!?
*In theory.
**I am not responsible if anyone tries this.
***No, it will not be hilarious. Revenge is bad. But it is so much fun...		2011-04-17 03:33:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

Stealing a costume is really just a form of imitation and imitation is the highest form of flattery You should take it as a compliment.2011-04-17 04:20:00

Author:
Aven1981_UK
Posts: 51

Stealing a costume is really just a form of imitation and imitation is the highest form of flattery You should take it as a compliment.

Your talking BS, i my self would never be OK with if some took my stuff unless they were a close friend.
and no it's not a compliment, they are just selfish people who were not raised up right,
and they should like all criminals should be ready to face the out come of their actions.
people left unpunished will only get worse. tho like i said, all one should do is report them.
and maybe put up a wall of shame level. But any else more mean could bite you back in the butt.		2011-04-17 04:37:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

@ CCubbage- You should have just created a new fashion statement for him! Beat him with his shoes so hard that his shoes turned red! Problem solved!2011-04-17 04:53:00

Author:
Super_Clone
Posts: 849

I collect my friends signature costumes. (Of course, I ask first.) I've got about 16 so far. Anyway, I think you should be just as mad at yourself as you are that guy, I ALWAYS remove my costume when someone I don't know joins me. I usually either wear a regular skin or a story costume. But, seriously, you really shouldn't have risked it by wearing it. Sad but true. :/2011-04-17 04:55:00

Author:
jalr2d2
Posts: 256

@schm0 But if they start claiming it as their own(which is very high) that's when it gets to me. :kz:
My point is... what have you lost at that point? A bit of pride?

It's still your costume, even if someone else claims it's theirs. And nobody is going to revolutionize LBP with a single costume, no matter how awesome it is.

If someone steals it, it's stolen. How long is that person going to go around bragging that they created it? How likely is it that they'll gain significant notoriety for that costume alone? I would put the odds on this occurring pretty low, just for the simple fact that costumes are just one niche of huge game that spans millions of levels and hundreds of thousands of players.

I certainly understand your grievance, but I also feel that your reaction to the situation may have been (as the thread suggests) a bit harsh. Take a deep breath, and realize the situation for what it's worth.

Simply put, having your costume stolen isn't the end of the world.		2011-04-17 04:59:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Well, as we all know, we don't like being robbed of something in LittleBigPlanet, especially costumes(well, to me.) This entire week, I have had about 20 people trying to steal my costumes, of which only 1 succeeded, due to lag. I got very angry at this, so I decided to get payback. I pulled out a Community Object, from someone named LordofTrolls, & placed it into their Moon. It was a Spammer, which meant that it spams out emitters with other boxes & junk with more emitters, causing serious lag. I placed it, & RtP'd(Return to POD) I got a message later on from the Costume Stealer, saying that I almost broke his PS3. In all honesty, was this a bit too harsh? I just HATE getting my Creations stolen.

As reluctant as I am to post around these forums any more, I hate to see everyone preaching their sermons of liberal tolerance at you and admonishing you for taking retribution against those who have disrespected you. In fact, I whole heartedly support you and I don't believe that your response was extreme at all. What's the point in putting time and imagination into creating outfits if you can't wear them in public? You should be able to dress cool and sassy when you go out, without having some thieving bag of lint come along and rip the shirt off your back. In fact if someone did that to me I would probably kick them so hard in the butthole that you wouldn't be able to distinguish their rectum from their gullet...so I think that guy got off relatively lightly with a bit of lag locking up his console.

If people are gonna steal your stuff right under your nose, you don't turn your back and say "well, I guess it serves me right for daring to express my individuality". You teach 'em a valuable lesson in LBP etiquette that when you disrespect other players and take their stuff, one day you're gonna pick on the wrong sack and he's gonna kick your butt. You were that "wrong sack to pick on", you kicked his butt, and for that you have my respect.		2011-04-17 11:24:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

I once froze the PS3 when me and a bunch of others placed loads of 'Instant Destroy' chips (a not gate with it's output connected to it's input and a destroyer), and it froze up.

As to whever you would want to intentionally do that is another. I hardly ever play with people I don't know, yet alone go into Create with them. The only stuff I've had 'stolen' from me is a couple of objects and stuff thatI don't care about. If someone stole my costume, I'd be pretty annoyed, but think of it this way. A lot of people play LBP. Around 4 million levels have been published. Surely, out of all those people, at least one would have a costume a bit like yours. It's like that time someone published a level in LBP1 about how his friends stole his idea of getting the Ninja costume, giving it neon eyes and stickering it different colours, and pratically everyone replied with "Already done, not your idea".		2011-04-17 12:33:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

[Good Advice]

I agree; Your ideas should be your property. That's why we have international copyright laws!		2011-04-17 16:07:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

Ah, this thread takes me back.... In high school, I used to wear these yellow sneakers. One day, another dude came to school wearing the same style yellow sneakers, and claimed they were his idea. Obviously I was irritated. But... I took a deep breath, calmed down, followed him into the restroom... And beat him senseless with a tire iron.

He never wore those yellow shoes again.....

In his defense, they were more of a reddish colour after that...		2011-04-17 17:00:00

Author:
standby250
Posts: 1113

I have the original PS3 with backwards compatibility. It's a huge lie, everything can break it. I even froze Koolieo's PS3 once, then he overreacted and blocked me, and then stole my new-found glitch. The glitch hasn't been rediscovered or patched since LBP1. (It takes the handle off of a two-way switch) O_o2011-04-17 18:13:00

Author:
Cronos Dage
Posts: 396

I agree; Your ideas should be your property. That's why we have international copyright laws!

No, copyright laws were created to prevent people from profiting off ideas that were not their own. There is no financial gain or loss here. It has nothing to do with costumes in LBP.		2011-04-17 19:48:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

loling so hard. he deserves it. but the sword cuts both ways2011-04-17 19:54:00

Author:
donta133
Posts: 182

Wow, didn't know this Thread would go this far. :kz:

Anyways, all I'm saying is, I wouldn't have to fuss about this problem if the Copy Player 1-4 Options on the Sackbots weren't in effect, until Play Mode or if someone in Create Mode isn't your friend & you tried to do the Copy Option, it would Skip over their Costume to the other.

Ex. P1 is a noob host & P3 & 4 are his friends. P2 has an awesome costume, so awesome, in fact, that P1 wants to steal & take credit for it. He takes out his Sackbot, sets it to Copy P1 & then...it skips over option 2 & goes to P3.

If Mm would apply this in the next patch, I will just explode in excitement. :kz:

Until then, I have to keep Reseting everytime I join someone else's Moon.		2011-04-17 20:35:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Spammer? That's nothing. If you want to really breaks someone's property (their TV) from within LBP2, all you need to do is find the 'sine wave' sound object, and place a bunch. You can either A: place a ton of 'em (on the same high frequency) so constructive interference blows out the TV's speakers, are B: (this one is harder) you adjust them a little until destructive interference sets in; if you get it right, the TV starts to vibrate (I've actually made that happen before. Seriously o_o my TV, so the rest is guesswork]); if you can find a good resonate frequency, bam, their TV should break, or at least, the speakers should.
If you have high frequency resonate constructive wave group, and the TV has a glass screen (but who has those anymore) you can make the screen shatter.

...and they will never steal anything again! Mwahaha, MwhaHAHAHA, MWAHAHAHAHA! :kz:

Better yet, you can combine a Spammer with the infinite thermo glitch with the sound effect by making each of the little emit-units, in edition to another emitter,l also have an active sine wave object. As they emit, the sound will grow exponentially; in seconds, not only will the PS3 overload and get the YLoD, but the TV will break, too.
And then that little kid who stole your costume will be left sitting there, alone, in front of his broken toys; Before the realization hits, before the crying starts, he'll wonder, "What the *@#% just happened!?" But you'll know.
Isn't that GREAT!? Won't that be HILARIOUS!?
*In theory.
**I am not responsible if anyone tries this.
***No, it will not be hilarious. Revenge is bad. But it is so much fun...

my god, what are you doing durring creating? 		2011-04-17 21:00:00

Author:
Unknown User

my god, what are you doing durring creating?

Horrible, horrible experiments that you don't want to see... :kz:
*Cues the creepy music & lighnting*		2011-04-18 00:52:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

Horrible, horrible experiments that you don't want to see... :kz:
*Cues the creepy music & lighnting*

*crawls into corner and starts sobing*		2011-04-18 00:57:00

Author:
Unknown User

Spammer? That's nothing. If you want to really breaks someone's property (their TV) from within LBP2, all you need to do is find the 'sine wave' sound object, and place a bunch. You can either A: place a ton of 'em (on the same high frequency) so constructive interference blows out the TV's speakers, are B: (this one is harder) you adjust them a little until destructive interference sets in; if you get it right, the TV starts to vibrate (I've actually made that happen before. Seriously o_o my TV, so the rest is guesswork]); if you can find a good resonate frequency, bam, their TV should break, or at least, the speakers should.
If you have high frequency resonate constructive wave group, and the TV has a glass screen (but who has those anymore) you can make the screen shatter.

...and they will never steal anything again! Mwahaha, MwhaHAHAHA, MWAHAHAHAHA! :kz:

Better yet, you can combine a Spammer with the infinite thermo glitch with the sound effect by making each of the little emit-units, in edition to another emitter,l also have an active sine wave object. As they emit, the sound will grow exponentially; in seconds, not only will the PS3 overload and get the YLoD, but the TV will break, too.
And then that little kid who stole your costume will be left sitting there, alone, in front of his broken toys; Before the realization hits, before the crying starts, he'll wonder, "What the *@#% just happened!?" But you'll know.
Isn't that GREAT!? Won't that be HILARIOUS!?
*In theory.
**I am not responsible if anyone tries this.
***No, it will not be hilarious. Revenge is bad. But it is so much fun...

But.. doesn't that require a quite large volume in the TV? (I always have the sound volume set to a such a small amount, that I feel comfortable - not being totally immersed in the music, but still clearly audible; which means screamer-type surprises do not work) 		2011-04-18 10:03:00

Author:
OrwellianStuff
Posts: 90

I would never bring total strangers into create mode with me....
I don't mind showing people what I'm working on though, but even though LBP hinders us from getting a IRL first impression of a person, you still get an idea of what kind of moral fiber they're made out through chat before you make the decision to bring them to the Moon.

Everyone who's chat lingo is heavily influenced by netspeak is a definate No-Go...
And people with PSN IDs like DragonStranglerTroll123456789.		2011-04-18 12:15:00

Author:
Discosmurf
Posts: 210

suspicious...



The f...?
you obviously don't understand the concept of bolded words and how they're meant to be pronounced.		2011-04-18 12:23:00

Author:
Onii55
Posts: 153

In consideration of various viewpoints being expressed in this thread, let me present a little analogy here.

In art class you draw a picture of a sad panda. The kid beside you thinks "what a cool idea", and decides to draw their own version of a sad panda. In this case you have planted a seed that has taken root and flowered. You have influenced another person to create, to emulate you in such a way that could justifiably considered a form of flattery through imitation.

However, another kid sneaks up behind you, snatches your drawing of a panda and takes it to the photocopying machine where he makes an exact copy of your drawing. He then waves it in your face, grins as he flips you the middle finger and runs out of the room to show other kids in the playground what he has "created". In this case, you have planted a seed which has then been ripped right out of your flowerbed. You have been shown flagrant disrespect by someone who thinks they can get away with any form of antisocial behaviour that so pleases them.

Would it not serve this person right if next time they tried such a thing, you were to turn around and slap that cocky grin right off their face, and would they not start to think twice before acting in such a disrespectful manner again?

In life you will encounter many jerks who think they can walk all over you, and at some point you must decide whether you are the kind of guy who lies down on the floor for them to use as a doormat, or the kind of guy who stands up with fists clenched and tells those jerks to back the **** up.		2011-04-18 17:23:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

Ok, for the object problem, my friend has developed a chip that'll make your object always say 'Originally by --------' At the moment, I can't tell you . I told someone the chrome glitch in the past and now most of lbp knows about it because he posted it on the forum. I went mad. I don't want to 'go mad' again thanks.2011-04-18 18:57:00

Author:
sackruler905
Posts: 103

As reluctant as I am to post around these forums any more, I hate to see everyone preaching their sermons of liberal tolerance at you and admonishing you for taking retribution against those who have disrespected you. In fact, I whole heartedly support you and I don't believe that your response was extreme at all. What's the point in putting time and imagination into creating outfits if you can't wear them in public? You should be able to dress cool and sassy when you go out, without having some thieving bag of lint come along and rip the shirt off your back. In fact if someone did that to me I would probably kick them so hard in the butthole that you wouldn't be able to distinguish their rectum from their gullet...so I think that guy got off relatively lightly with a bit of lag locking up his console.

If people are gonna steal your stuff right under your nose, you don't turn your back and say "well, I guess it serves me right for daring to express my individuality". You teach 'em a valuable lesson in LBP etiquette that when you disrespect other players and take their stuff, one day you're gonna pick on the wrong sack and he's gonna kick your butt. You were that "wrong sack to pick on", you kicked his butt, and for that you have my respect.

Exactly, we SHOULD be able to. But until somethings done about this, we can't. So you need to be cautios about your costumes until somethings done. Like I said, sad but true. :/		2011-04-18 19:18:00

Author:
jalr2d2
Posts: 256

I always where my best costumes. If they try stealing it that means they think you a good creator. Costume stealers don't steal rubbish costumes, just good ones.

For you, I wouldn't reccomend using the 'Dive in' feature if your wearing your best costumes and if you don't want other people stealing them.
The 'Dive in' feature takes you to random peoples pods aswell so yeah, really, that's what I think.		2011-04-18 19:26:00

Author:
Unknown User

In consideration of various viewpoints being expressed in this thread, let me present a little analogy here.

In art class you draw a picture of a sad panda. The kid beside you thinks "what a cool idea", and decides to draw their own version of a sad panda. In this case you have planted a seed that has taken root and flowered. You have influenced another person to create, to emulate you in such a way that could justifiably considered a form of flattery through imitation.

However, another kid sneaks up behind you, snatches your drawing of a panda and takes it to the photocopying machine where he makes an exact copy of your drawing. He then waves it in your face, grins as he flips you the middle finger and runs out of the room to show other kids in the playground what he has "created". In this case, you have planted a seed which has then been ripped right out of your flowerbed. You have been shown flagrant disrespect by someone who thinks they can get away with any form of antisocial behaviour that so pleases them.

Would it not serve this person right if next time they tried such a thing, you were to turn around and slap that cocky grin right off their face, and would they not start to think twice before acting in such a disrespectful manner again?

In life you will encounter many jerks who think they can walk all over you, and at some point you must decide whether you are the kind of guy who lies down on the floor for them to use as a doormat, or the kind of guy who stands up with fists clenched and tells those jerks to back the **** up.

That just about sums it up for me. :kz:		2011-04-18 21:40:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

my god, what are you doing durring creating?
I'd tell you, but then I'd have to ki-- ...uh... *ahem* I'd tell you, but then I'd have to risk getting my ideas being stolen like IronSkullKid99*.
*Which, considering the subject of this thread thread in which you asked, would be extremely ironic.		2011-04-18 22:19:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

I'd tell you, but then I'd have to ki-- ...uh... *ahem* I'd tell you, but then I'd have to risk getting my ideas being stolen like IronSkullKid99*.
*Which, considering the subject of this thread thread in which you asked, would be extremely ironic.

I don't Steal, I remake. If they try to Mimic my Costume their own way, I don't have a problem with that, but if they try to steal it from me directly, that's when it gets me. :kz: Oh, & it's Iron.		2011-04-18 23:03:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515

I don't Steal, I remake. If they try to Mimic my Costume their own way, I don't have a problem with that, but if they try to steal it from me directly, that's when it gets me. :kz: Oh, & it's Iron.

I didn't say that you steal stuff; what I meant was that that I didn't want people to steal my ideas like people stole your costume.		2011-04-22 01:52:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

Or, y'know, who cares? It's just a costume. It's just a game. I can understand being annoyed when someone copies an entire level or something.. but a costume? Really? This is why I use costume elements provided by the game. In fact, I've used the same costume since about the first week I had LBP1, so what, 2 years now? It's cute, it's me, and I don't give a tinker's whosit if anyone ever steals it.

If you don't want to be upset about something, don't give yourself opportunities to become upset. There are douchebags out there who copy things maliciously. That's unfortunate; because LBP is such a generally innocent and fun place, we kind of expect everyone who plays it to engage with the childlike sense of wonder and amusement that MM worked so hard to put into the game. (As an aside, LBP2 is much darker and more grownup--cf Higginbotham's acid trips for one--and I'm curious to see, if there's an LBP3, if MM keeps going in that direction. But I digress). The reality is, of course, that some people just don't care; they don't care how much hard work has gone into something, they just want it, so they take it.

A question for everyone out there complaining about a costume or object being copied: ever downloaded a song, a movie, a computer program without paying for it? (One that was not offered for free, obviously). I can guarantee almost everyone here will say yes.

So tell me then, what is the difference between downloading someone else's work, and someone copying your costume?		2011-04-30 20:34:00

Author:
roux-
Posts: 379

Or, y'know, who cares? It's just a costume. It's just a game.[/B]

Or you know. Your views on life could be just 100% your own opinion that we totally don't Agree with!
Just a game? it's just a costume? Sure. but that's like saying Nothing in life matters whatsoever (<w>)
Who cares if someone takes my stuff? it so clearly did not matter because
it's not like he killed me or something right? RIGHT!! BeeeP! Oops your wrong!

How about we try this in a way that makes sense? like all hobbies and forms of Art,
We put are Life, Soul, And love in to what we do. And anybody who thinks
that anything we do with are lifes is pointless and should not care, is the same as saying
people in them selfs are pointless. If i spend Years of my life on any form of art
it does matter and other people unless i give it to them are not entitled to the things
i put pieces of my Life in to. that's time I'll never get back. so yes as anything i put
pieces of my self in to are impotent, just like it is with anyone else who done the same.

So that's why your wrong. things even if small do matter to us if we say they matter.
and that's why the argument of it's just game ETC will always Fail~
*mew		2011-04-30 23:01:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Or you know. Your views on life could be just 100% your own opinion that we totally don't Agree with!

Well, same goes for you really.


Just a game? it's just a costume? sure. but that's like saying Nothing in life matters whatsoever (<w>)

It's not like saying that at all, actually. Some things matter more than others. Costumes in a very silly video game (which I love) are not high on that list. That being said, in a very true sense many things in life really don't matter. Or, perhaps more accurately, they do matter but practicing the rather Buddhist notion of dispassion and detachment actually makes you happier. Things come and things go, and that's all they are: things. Things are transient. They are, in the final analysis, not very important. How you treat other people, that matters--and from that point of view, the people who take things without permission are losing, because they are taking what's not theirs to take. But when you get angry, when you react in this way about a bunch of pixels in a game, you lose too.


Who cares if someone takes my stuff? it so clearly did not matter because it's not like he killed me or something right? RIGHT!! BeeeP! Oops your wrong!

No. It doesn't matter in a large sense because it is a game. Yes, it's a game I love. Yes, hard work goes into levels, and I can understand annoyance at someone stealing months of your time. But a costume? Really? Doesn't signify.


If i spend Years of my life on any form of art
it does matter and other people unless i give it to them are not entitled to the things
i put pieces of my Life in to. that's time I'll never get back

ever downloaded a song, program, or game that you didn't pay for?		2011-04-30 23:24:00

Author:
roux-
Posts: 379

bla bla
honestly you really have no idea what your talking about.
Costumes don't matter to you. but they do to me I'm a costume maker
it's my Art and it's not silly or pointless. get over your self.

We as people put importance in to what we want.
we say what we think matters. this along with what a lot of people believe does mean it matters.
So tell me what in life matters? oh wait you can't, you know why?
what you find to be impotent in life is not the same as mine or other people's. ideas.
Yes Costumes matter to me even more then as a lets just oh as an example,
A Job. A Car, Money. you name it. because i place importance upon it. Don't like my way of life?
well that's just to bad. it's my Art and no matter how many time you say it don't matter
you be better off go talking to a wall then talking to me

I could continue this argument with you, but I'd like not to, you know why?
you won't change my opinion regardless of what you say. and most likely
the same goes for you. so you could continue to try and waste your time and mine
arguing with me. but how about you don't? because i know I'm sure I'm not going to keep
wasting my time in something pointless as a online argument with someone who's
views on life are so clearly set in stone.		2011-04-30 23:48:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

Here's a suggestion: if you're going to argue with someone, you should take time to actually pay attention to what they say, and respond to it, instead of 'bla bla.' Not insulting them is also a good move. "I'm right and you're wrong, so there" is likewise not a very effective tactic. I get that it's important to you. I'm trying to explain why it shouldn't be, and why detachment from things makes you happier.

And just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. At a wild guess, I'd say I'm around twice your age. You may wish to take that into account.

Fascinating that you didn't even answer my question about downloading. Which pretty clearly tells me what your answer is. So why is it okay to download a movie, something which hundreds of people devote their time and craft to, but it's not okay to copy someone's costume?		2011-05-01 00:06:00

Author:
roux-
Posts: 379

trying to explain why it shouldn't be, and why detachment from things makes you happier.

Fascinating that you didn't even answer my question about downloading. Which pretty clearly tells me what your answer is. So why is it okay to download a movie, something which hundreds of people devote their time and craft to, but it's not okay to copy someone's costume?

Seems you like to argue, fine one more post so you can have your question answered.
i said nothing because it should be pretty clear what the answer is.

They are both wrong. people who illegally download things are wrong for doing so.
now if the person who made it uploads it online them selfs
for free download or are at least OK with it online for free
then yes it's OK because they are OK with it.
people who take something illegally are wrong for doing so. plan and simple.

and NO, detachment from things will not make me happy. again
you talk as if nothing in life should matter to anyone.

PS: Remember when i said you won't change my mind about this?
yeah seems you did not hear me the first time. you won't change my mind. end of story.		2011-05-01 00:12:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I asked you] a specific question: do you download music/movies/whatever?


and no detachment from things will not make me happy. again
you talk as if nothing in life should matter to anyone.

Another suggestion: don't put words in someone's mouth. If you don't understand what they're saying, ask for clarification. But don't say that they have said things which they have not said. In fact, I very clearly said that many things do. Just that in the grand scheme of things a costume in a silly game is not one of them.

Argue honestly or don't argue. Those are your only choices if you're going to act like a reasonable adult.

As for detachment, understanding that things are transient, that they come and go, really does make you happier. Why be attached to your car, your jeans, your last can of Coke? Enjoy them for what they are, knowing that sooner or later they will be gone. By being detached, you aren't sad when they're gone.		2011-05-01 00:21:00

Author:
roux-
Posts: 379

I asked you] a specific question: do you download music/movies/whatever?

Another suggestion: don't put words in someone's mouth. If you don't understand what they're saying, ask for clarification. But don't say that they have said things which they have not said. In fact, I very clearly said that many things do. Just that in the grand scheme of things a costume in a silly game is not one of them.

Argue honestly or don't argue. Those are your only choices if you're going to act like a reasonable adult.

As for detachment, understanding that things are transient, that they come and go, really does make you happier. Why be attached to your car, your jeans, your last can of Coke? Enjoy them for what they are, knowing that sooner or later they will be gone. By being detached, you aren't sad when they're gone.

Fine, you want a argument? you got one, i can keep this up all day~
not like i have anything better to do, LOL.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm only saying what you more or less said

The idea of what a adult is a opinion. Right or wrong, you act like a adult whenever you believe your self to.

Look dood, even if you believe in or don't in the after life. (and for your info i do)
nothing in this life as we know it lasts forever. including people, Love, everything.

so not to live a life feeling like everything don't matter as everything will be gone one day
in this form of life as we know it. we place importance on things as we see fit to.
I place a lot of import importance on the forms of Art i like. that's the way i live.
and i don't care if anyone disagrees with my interests and ideas of importance.		2011-05-01 00:40:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm only saying what you more or less said


No, you aren't. You are stating that I have said things which I did not say. In fact, you are stating the exact opposite of what I have said.


The idea of what a adult is a opinion. Right or wrong, you act like a adult whenever you believe your self to.

That is not, in fact, the case. While there are fuzzy areas, it's pretty clearly defined what an adult is. One of the hallmarks of being an adult is arguing rationally, respectfully, and without insulting the other party. You may wish to google the term 'argumentum ad hominem' for more information.


so not to live a life feeling like everything don't matter as everything will be gone one day

(emphasis mine) Can you please show me where I said that? I have, in fact, said the exact opposite.


PS: Remember when i said you won't change my mind about this?
yeah seems you did not hear me the first time. you won't change my mind. end of story.

I seem to have missed something somewhere. Didn't you say:

someone who's views on life are so clearly set in stone

...in regards to me? Wouldn't it be your views that are set in stone? Perhaps you could show me where I said my mind can't be changed?

And you still haven't answered my question.		2011-05-01 00:59:00

Author:
roux-
Posts: 379

Ok enough guys. I think you've both made your point and it's fairly clear you won't sway the other. Agree to disagree and move on.2011-05-01 01:18:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983

Naah. I'm not really interested in letting someone put words into my mouth, sorry.2011-05-01 01:20:00

Author:
roux-
Posts: 379

Well people can read. If you didn't say something, readers will know that. My point is bickering about it is't going anywhere and isn't going to change your minds so let it be.2011-05-01 01:44:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983

I was attempting to have a grownup discussion. Remind me not to try that again around here.2011-05-01 02:08:00

Author:
roux-
Posts: 379

I thought this Thread died when I left it alone. Guess I was wrong. If you [MOD]s want, you can Lock/Delete/Annihilate this Thread.
*Sorry, I'm kinda used to say [MOD] like that. Gaia Online does things to me.*
**Who goes around digging up Threads that have been answered?**		2011-05-01 08:34:00

Author:
IronSkullKid99
Posts: 515


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