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XBOX achievements, PlayStation Trophies. Elite gaming has been on consoles and away from the servers of Counter-Strike for a good couple of years now. But is this elitist attitude to games good? The rise of the internet has lead to everybody being able to log on and play a plethora of online multiplayers with their chosen console. Thousands upon thousands log in and grind out a few games of COD 5 on the PS3 alone each day. I am not a completely inept gamer. I still Play Call of Duty 4 from time to time, it's a brilliantly made game and remains fun to play and when I do play I sometimes win and sometimes fail completely but the point is it is fun. One game I have stopped playing is MGO. Since the first expansion pack and the introduction of the survival mode, played each weekend, I have become completely disillusioned with it. I'm not that good at MGO and as a result I am not a very high level, 4 or 5 is my highest, and this means that I cannot get into a team on MGO as all the "leet" gamers want the top dogs playing on their team. As if they were about to be dropped into Nazi Germany rather than play a game. I'm not here just having a moan about elite gaming, it has it's place, but the growing trend for people to aspire to this elitism is, I feel, destroying games. The Wii's massive success is proof positive of this. I read not too long ago that the PS4 is going to be more wii-like and my heart just sank. As it is the PS3 is for some reason seen as a console that you can't be an elite shooter with and so everyone has gone XBOX. Thank god for LBP and the much needed return to the days of Mario and Sonic. No one ever called anyone a noob on Mario. My little rant is over and I really am just looking to get your input on the whole leet scene and what it is doing to games.

2008-12-01 21:56:00 Author: Dave-la-kingenbo Posts: 43

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well I like it, gives you something to shoot for, its inspires competition and increases the online experience before your sick of the game all together. You don't have to be competitive if you don't want to, just play the game and ignore the morons shouting "n00b" via mute

2008-12-01 23:45:00 Author: Reshin Posts: 1081

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Well, the way I see it, there's nothing wrong with competitive gaming, like there is nothing wrong with competetive sports. It's the people who look down on others who ruin it for everybody because they don't play it their way. Whether or not it's because they don't play competitivly or because they do. Remember, there are idiots on all sides- there are people who say that competitive people should just "PLAY THE GAME!" or something. Although that is just my experience with my experience on the Brawl boards at Gamefaqs (wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wants to be sane), which is fairly casual (seemed to be the only fighting community that still argues over if tiers exist >_<). ANYWAY, yeah, people who say that elitists should just "PLAY THE GAME" or call people who like to collect trophies "trophy whores" aren't too good either, same as elitist snobs.

2008-12-01 23:58:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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But do you not feel that it could alienate younger gamers? I know what you are saying and I totally agree with you, competitive gaming is fine and needed if an online community is to thrive but my gripe is with the elitist people out there. The sort of people who have never even heard of a professional gamer, yet feel the need to whine at everybody they can if they die or something. I am, admittedly, a completely casual gamer. When I play games I put a movie on in the background to listen to whilst I relax by running around in COD/R2/MGO just seeing what I can do. The wii is probably the ultimate machine for the casual gaming market and do you think that perhaps the PS3 (not so much (singstar, LBP) and (especially) the XBOX are missing out on these younger and more casual gamers' money? It is in this way that I feel elitist gaming could damage the industry as these cutting edge games become harder and harder to justify when literally just swinging your arm on the wii can see just as much, if not more. The reason I even want to discuss this here by the way is because I'm going to write an essay on it for my university application. I'm hoping to move from software development to creative writing/journalism, so I need samples! I appreciate and value all your opinions people.

2008-12-02 00:14:00 Author: Dave-la-kingenbo Posts: 43

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Indeed, videogames are getting much more complicated- which is why Nintendo is trying to draw in people who would rather play baseball then go on an epic choose-your-own-fate quest. Wii Sports is much easier then Fable II, afterall. Still, I believe that your concerns of casual videogame markets being anilelated would be of more concern if not for the wii. The wii is, essientally, a way for anyone to play videogames- which is why it's been such a huge success, even two years later. If not for the wii, then perhaps fears may be of much importance... but it seems that the wii may be able to hold onto them or something.

2008-12-02 00:18:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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well i dont know i have never tried being in a clan only was in a cod4 one to mess around with freinds and trash talk for fun. i am not really competetive online im more of the obnoxious kind when it comes to random people because i love how mad they get

2008-12-02 00:21:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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A lot of "elitist gamers" are that way because they place way too much importance and status on unimportant things. Sure, getting 1000 achievement points or a platinum trophy can be quite an accomplishment. But it doesn't grant any special status, or any particular noteworthiness. Being prestige 10 and level 55 in CoD4 may require a lot of dedication, but it doesn't mean you're actually that much above me in skill, you could simply have more time to spend on it than I do. And even if you are a more skilled and superior player...it's a game in the end. Not a life dependency. And there is always going to be someone better, that one extra level. In short, gaming prowess =/= significance. Which is the mistake some people make. (Usually involving lots of bragging on their gaming achievements in order to instill some sort of respect through it.) People can be motivated to keep gaming to get trophies, or achievements, or level up characters, or something else. And that's perfectly fine. You can take gaming seriously and very competitively, and it doesn't mean you can't have fun at the same time. They are playing the game, they're just playing it with set and rigid goals, over just for the sake of the game. Now, to be honest, there is a tendency for people to become overly serious in playing and lose sight of the game itself. This is the case in everything competitive, from sports to tabletop roleplaying. And yes, they do need to recheck their perspective. Personally, I like matchmaking. And...I have completely lost my thread of thought where I was trying to go. So I'll leave it there.

2008-12-02 00:28:00 Author: Mark D. Stroyer Posts: 632

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You see it is my belief that the wii is going to become a go-to for Sony and maybe even Microsoft. As more and more money is devoured by Nintendo, the more companies are going to change their plans. This has genuinely worried me since I read that the PS4 is going to re-use the cell processor and become more like a wii. I'll be honest - I loathe the wii. It's a half baked attempt of a console made solely to grab a quick buck from a company that can be so great with their consoles. Imagine a powerful Nintendo machine! I know they have never gone for powerhouse consoles but one by them would be so good. As it is it's just... meh. I love my PS3 far too much. It's a multimedia king, it boasts some of the greatest games I have ever played. If it was the wii I would never have known LBP - the single most important game in my life - and the world would be a darker place! Perhaps my concern is more that the great consoles of today that are paving the way to greater and greater technology in our games could morph into something more friendly to the casual gamer, which would be at the expense of the casual gamer. Think of all those wii children who can't play LBP now, they're missing out on a game that would actually develop their minds! And that is so much more fun than animal crossing. I'm probably babbling now, sorry if I am! Kingenbo

2008-12-02 00:32:00 Author: Dave-la-kingenbo Posts: 43

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Your viewpoint is very much seconded. I thought the Wii was a sound idea...until I played it. And I've played it more than a reasonable amount. And even at its best, it's just a failed concept at trying to utilize a control scheme as primary controls, which should be regulated to support purposes, or some limited other usages. And the rest of the world has been duped into thinking it's real gaming. I think its processor capabilities speaks to its money-grab well enough. (The old Xbox is a more capable unit.) You can tell that Microsoft and Sony are beginning to cater towards a more casual audience. Fable II, LBP, etc. But it's still not the pure casualness of the Wii, as they're mostly out of reach for any but experienced casual gamers. Frankly, most people simply don't have the skills to do real gaming. With the Wii, I've done some party minigames, where the people I was with could only grasp the simplest controls, and everything else was simply beyond their comprehension. For me, I would be doing very basic controls, for them it was inconceivable. The Wii has made attempted to make gamers out of those who haven't got a clue. I've seen it time and time again. They don't see the actual game, they see a facade over a control scheme they don't know how to use effectively. And they pretty miserably fail at it.

2008-12-02 01:18:00 Author: Mark D. Stroyer Posts: 632

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I enjoy it for myself to a degree, but it's nothing more than an optional extra. If someone starts banging on about how much better his gamerscore is than yours and you don't care, just ignore them.

2008-12-02 14:28:00 Author: flakmagnet Posts: 1084

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i only shout noobs in warhawk because some times ill have more point then my whole team, with ever sport u get some bad sportmentship, rember u was a noob once, so i rarelly say it, lbp is not the game for competive gaming

2008-12-02 19:42:00 Author: panzer3000 Posts: 362

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I don't care about trophies or anything like that, but I am annoyed by people who are bad at games in front of me. Eventually, I am like "JUST GIVE ME THE CONTROLLER! I'LL DO IT!!"

2008-12-02 21:01:00 Author: Voltiare Posts: 646

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A lot of "elitist gamers" are that way because they place way too much importance and status on unimportant things. Sure, getting 1000 achievement points or a platinum trophy can be quite an accomplishment. But it doesn't grant any special status, or any particular noteworthiness. Being prestige 10 and level 55 in CoD4 may require a lot of dedication, but it doesn't mean you're actually that much above me in skill, you could simply have more time to spend on it than I do. And even if you are a more skilled and superior player...it's a game in the end. Not a life dependency. And there is always going to be someone better, that one extra level. In short, gaming prowess =/= significance. Which is the mistake some people make. (Usually involving lots of bragging on their gaming achievements in order to instill some sort of respect through it.) People can be motivated to keep gaming to get trophies, or achievements, or level up characters, or something else. They are playing the game, they're just playing it with set and rigid goals, over just for the sake of the game. Now, to be honest, there is a tendency for people to become overly serious in playing and lose sight of the game itself. lol, Almost sounds like a description of an MMORPG.

2008-12-02 21:40:00 Author: NeoShai Posts: 64

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well dave la king Banjo kazooie who ever the makers of that are dumped nintendo and brought the seris to microsoft. just wanted to point that out

2008-12-02 23:43:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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I think that is just Microsoft identifying their need to embrace younger and more casual gamers to push European sales. Banjo and Kazooie is basically Ratchett and Clank, it's too little, too late from Microsoft for me. Since my XBOX rrod'd on me over a year and a half ago I have not had one reason to buy another since mainly because games I an play online on both consoles I would rather play on PS3 - really is less hardcore serious which for me equates to more fun!

2008-12-03 16:05:00 Author: Dave-la-kingenbo Posts: 43

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