Archive: 19 posts

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So we all know there are famous creators out there and I'm pretty sure almost everyone wishes they had a claim to fame so their levels would finally get noticed I know you may tell others you create for fun and fun only well Im not so sure I believe that I mean if everyone was creating for fun would there be so many levels so crappy I know I don't just make levels just for fun levels aren't easy to make and if you clearly don't care of others opinions why publish the level I'm just saying! Tell me what you think the whole point of this is to quit lying to others and yourselfs

2011-04-07 04:07:00 Author: WCF7__ Posts: 63

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There's a difference between wanting to see that your creations are appreciated and wanting to be famous. I'd say I'm on the low end of the fame scale (meaning I may qualify to be called "famous," but I'm nowhere near Lbp's equivalent of a "household name"), and I suppose it's nice that my comments seem to carry some weight (though it's more likely because I'm a mod than because of anything I've done in the game), but it's not that big of a deal and if I disappeared from Lbp tomorrow, I doubt many people would notice. So yeah, the fame thing doesn't mean much to me. What I do like, though, is that when I publish something, I usually get a healthy amount of plays and pretty good ratings. Most comments are positive and sometimes constructive. Knowing that people liked my mechs helped me keep up the motivation to build new ones, and knowing that people like my lightsaber level helps with the motivation to pursue the melee weapon tech (I started it with another project in mind, but building the lightsabers turned into a fun and educational diversion). If nobody had responded to my mechs, I probably wouldn't have built any more, and if nobody had responded to the lightsaber, I would've probably abandoned the melee weapon idea.

2011-04-07 05:51:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188

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Well, perhaps some people do want to be held in high esteem as a creator, but you seem to be saying that a creator who values recognition can't also be doing it for "fun" at the same time - which I would bet is largely untrue.

2011-04-07 06:50:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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Fame? Maybe. Fortune? If only! I totally agree with Sehven here.

2011-04-07 07:44:00 Author: Mr_T-Shirt Posts: 1477

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Sorry but i can't agree with this: Level creation is done for pleasure first, recognition later. Being able to fully create a project in your mind is incredible and that's what makes me come back to LBP over and over again. Then obviously if you feel your creation is good you wish for it to be successful, but that's something that happens after the level is complete. During the actual creation process most people do it for personal pleasure.

2011-04-07 08:35:00 Author: Vergil Posts: 155

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So we all know there are famous creators out there and I'm pretty sure almost everyone wishes they had a claim to fame so their levels would finally get noticed I know you may tell others you create for fun and fun only well Im not so sure I believe that I mean if everyone was creating for fun would there be so many levels so crappy I know I don't just make levels just for fun levels aren't easy to make and if you clearly don't care of others opinions why publish the level I'm just saying! Tell me what you think the whole point of this is to quit lying to others and yourselfs Wait... what? Are you saying that all the bad levels out there are only made for fame? All my levels are absolutely terrible and I would hate to be 'famous' on LBP... unless I misunderstand you? :

2011-04-07 12:12:00 Author: Retro Posts: 104

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You can tell who's out for hearts and plays and who creates out of passion and enjoyment. When I see creators publishing nothing but glitches, gimmicks, tutorials, and costumes (most of which are already published), it's obvious they just want fame. It baffles me how some of these authors have over a thousand hearts when they have not built a single "real" level - zero creativity, imagination, and not an ounce of heart or soul poured into it. Plainly put, they haven't created anything in me eyes, merely dumped trendy garbage in a level to get plays. I hate this, with every fiber of my being, because I DO put a lot of time and effort into my creations, and it's a bit insulting when I continue to struggle for visibility in a sea of garbage. Then again, I don't really care about how many hearts or plays I have. I appreciate getting enough exposure to make it feel worthwhile spending hundreds of hours on something. So while I don't really care about fame, I'd probably feel like I'm wasting my time if every time I published a major project it was never seen by more than thirty people (this actually happened recently). I build the levels I want to build, because they are what I want to make. Yes, they are for me, but moreso they are for the enjoyment of others. I create for the community, so it follows that I would like the community to have the opportunity to enjoy my work. Wanting this doesn't really mean that I'm after fame or recognition though.... Besides, fame isn't all it's cracked up to be. Ask anyone who has been Mm picked what sort of hate mail it brings. You get a lot of jealous and unappreciative people (kids?) trashing you and insulting you for no good reason. I guess taking a dump on someone's good work is a way to make your own garbage smell nicer... at least that's what these degenerates think. If anything, the only "thing" I'm after is the respect of my fellow creators that I feel represent the best of the LBP community. Respect from the people you admire is not something that is tied to any amount of hearts or plays or ratings. It's something that can only be earned by hard work and continually striving to improve. That, to me, is more valuable than any Mm pick or crown or even a million plays.

2011-04-07 12:46:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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hen I see creators publishing nothing but glitches, gimmicks, tutorials, and costumes (most of which are already published), it's obvious they just want fame. Wait what? XD They puublish: -Glitches to make them public, some people also have fun finding them so this is what they do in LBP -Tutorials to shere and knowlage -Costumes, because they are part of create, so why not shere them? ;]

2011-04-07 14:54:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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I am the most famous creator in all of LBP. (WAKES UP) So yes I do believe almost every player in LBP wants to be famous in some way but there is a difference between overlay famous and your levels just being appreciated. Do you remember that stupid chicken guy from LBP1 who only made jump survivals. Yeah he was overlayh famous exept in the wrong way. However the likes of mabye stevebigguns his level are appreciated rather than being hated.

2011-04-07 15:15:00 Author: craigmond Posts: 2426

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What I was saying was kinda exactly what you pointed out first we do it for fun but if we don't get good reviews we stop but in the end what drives us is the sick little satisfaction of being appreciated as a creator that's what I think

2011-04-08 03:40:00 Author: WCF7__ Posts: 63

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Wait what? XD They puublish: -Glitches to make them public, some people also have fun finding them so this is what they do in LBP -Tutorials to shere and knowlage -Costumes, because they are part of create, so why not shere them? ;] EDIT: Apparently it is I who misunderstood. It's late... I'm sleepy and missed your sarcasm hahaha I was referring to players who steal glitches, tutorials, and costumes from other players, and publish them as their own. In theory there should only be one 3D camera level. Instead, we have 100. 1 person did it to share it with the community. 99 people ripped it off for the hearts and plays. And if you look at these people who ripped it off, you will most likely see all 20 of their moon slots filled with other ripped off glitches and such. These are the people who are after fame in all forms but refuse to earn it through hard work. I have nothing against glitch, costume, and tutorial levels. But if this is someone's entire create repertoire, then I question their creation skills, because they fail to demonstrate a) creativity, b) innovation, c) artistic ability, and d) the ability to make fun gameplay. In other words, if you're going to earn my respect as a creator, then you should probably build a level that shows off your talents and personality... because hey... uniqueness is cool too What I was saying was kinda exactly what you pointed out first we do it for fun but if we don't get good reviews we stop but in the end what drives us is the sick little satisfaction of being appreciated as a creator that's what I think This is what I like about the review system now. Instead of judging success by a broken system of poorly allocated hearts and plays, you get a lot more direct feedback on the quality of your work. Some praise in your reviews can make up for a drought of plays, and some bad reviews can humble your strangely popular level filled with bugs. We all want our work to be noticed and appreciated. We didn't all start this game by crapping out cool pages levels, but over time we hone our craft and hopefully become humble, yet accurate judges of our work. Knowing you are producing levels that *could* be MM picked or getting 100k plays when you're barely scraping by a few hundred plays is very frustrating and over time, this can wear you out. In the end, remember why you create: because you enjoy it. A crown or pick might make that success a wee bit sweeter, but the pursuit of those things for the wrong reasons will burn you out faster than you think. Don't pressure yourself to get the rewards, but never stop challenging yourself to do better the next time.

2011-04-08 07:07:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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Stop lying to others and myself? Wha... ? That's a pretty big brush your painting all of us with isn't it? As far as I know, I'm the most honest person I know... and I know A LOT of people! As most have stated here, many (and most) good creators do so with the sole intentions of having fun and the hopes that their work will merely be appreciated and bring a smile to someone's face. Fame is secondary, and for many of us... very low on the list of priorities. To tell the truth, when I do publish my first LBP2 level, I'm tempted to put a disclaimer in saying "Dear Mm: Should any of you play this and enjoy it that's great! If you find it Mm pick-worthy, please send me a message saying so but refrain from adding it to your list. I'd prefere someone else got my spot that gives a hoot about your Picks, and frankly... I don't need the unwanted attention from people spamming me to join them playing online or who suddenly want to be my "friend". Instead, please just send me the code for my BugBlaster costume I worked my *** off for. Kthanxbai! " Not to assume I'd ever get an Mm Pick, but if I were to be able to produce something worthy then that's how I'd like it all to go down. If I ever thought fame was part of my motivation for creating, I would have published at least one of the 7 levels I have on the go by now (half of which are levels pulled over from LBP). I'm not publishing anything until it's good and ready. Oh, and I would never let a bad review stop me from creating. I do it for my own enjoyment first and foremost, appreciation and smiles from the community are secondary. Why would I let someone's opinion of my work stop me from creating? That's just silly in my opinion. I've experienced local fame on a small'ish scale here in my city as a musician. It's very flattering, but ultimately... no one really gives a rat's behind about you at the end of the day or once you stop creating. Fame is over rated. Especially in a situation like this one... where you don't get paid for your hard work in something other than nice comments, a ton of new 10 year old kids friendship requests, or a crown and a pink ribbon around your level. I can just as easily add a Red Seal Of Approval decoration to all my levels to make them look important, and smiley faces don't put food on my table... so no, I don't much care for fame unless the wages are higher.

2011-04-08 08:29:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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Sorry guys didn't mean to push anyones buttons with this thread sorry if I offend you I just was so unsure if people were honestly creating for fun but since all this feed back shows a lot intact almost everyone creates for fun and this thread kind of inspired me to keep creating ( hit a bit of a slump thinking all fun was stripped from the game ) so thanks and sorry again

2011-04-08 15:19:00 Author: WCF7__ Posts: 63

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No problem mate we arnt monsters.

2011-04-08 17:04:00 Author: craigmond Posts: 2426

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I don't think you pushed anyone's buttons. You just made a bit of a generalization and we told you it wasn't the case all the time. Creative slumps may come and go, but this awesome game will aways remain. Glad to hear you're feeling inspired again.

2011-04-08 17:10:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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we arnt monsters. Speak for yourself

2011-04-08 19:42:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188

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Speak for yourself It's true. I know this guy, and he's one of the most devious and horrible people in the community.

2011-04-08 20:02:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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My 2 cents... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ilb-qc9eIA PEACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

2011-04-08 20:23:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Zach? Zack? Idk, never know how to spell your name, your levels are great! I like the Gantorpillars story? (Me no spell good) Dont worry bout fame or um fortune...

2011-04-09 23:40:00 Author: BonBonBoi Posts: 246

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