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Do not waste your time trying to create good levels!!!!
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| Yes, do not. Because no one sees them among the millions of carelessly done levels containing skateboards, sharks or nothing at all... I spent weeks to make a VERSUS level, which stands out like a game on its own... We played it off-line with friends and it was pure fun... However, no one visits it... (It is a versus level and how come people playing versus do not bump into my level, I just don't know). Some people there may say things like "Maybe your level is not that good" and etc." No, no... My level was elaborately crafted and debugged for hours. And the result is 16 plays and the majority of them are solo plays (AND it is a "versus" level). So don't waste your precious time on this "Little Big Nonsense" and play some games that are actually fun... If you are not already a "Little Big Celebrity" from the previous and "primitive" LBP 1, you don't have a "say" in this Little Big Ridiculous Planet... (meanwhile most of those MM picked levels of those celebrities are "NOT FUN" at all. Yes, I am angry! | 2011-03-29 09:32:00 Author: terbas  Posts: 93 |
| If all this people is enraged there is a problem...I keep saying it. What I find wrong in your post is bashing the "celebrities", they worked their bums hard for the community, so they don't deserve to be treated badly, even if some of their levels are underwhelming (but underwhelming only if compared to their own creator' histories) Anyway...part of the community continues to get seriously pi**ed off , and that makes me sad. | 2011-03-29 09:39:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Well sure, if all you want are plays and hearts, then by all means just slap together some POS and spam it to the top of cool pages. However, I think that completely misses the point of LBP(2). Obviously not everyone can be famous it's simply impossible. LBP(2) gives people the ability to bring the ideas to life with, relative, ease. Having people from all over the world play and possibly praise your creation is just the cherry on top. | 2011-03-29 09:44:00 Author: SR20DETDOG  Posts: 2431 |
| Do not get me wrong... I like "creating" in the first place. And that's why I "used to love" LBP. But if your creations do not get what they deserve, then there's a problem... And I think that problem will remain constant. MM boasts with the "already ready" 2 million levels from the first LBP. Don't they know that about 70% of those levels are even not worth playing at all? And this abundance of levels "already" makes your elaborately crafted level destined to be overlooked... Here, check out my level... http://lbp.me/v/x5e8nd | 2011-03-29 09:47:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| I do not intend to be a "celebrity" of LBP at all... I just want to see that my hard work is (if not appreciated) at least checked out by other players... And that is a dream in LBP2.... | 2011-03-29 09:48:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| with a couple million levels out there, it's hard for any level to get noticed. Best bet is to post it on some forums you are active in, put it in your sig, tweet it, hand out fliers at the bus station, shout it through a megaphone at church, or anything else you can do to get attention. There's no magic publishing fairy that promotes your level for you, you have to do that yourself  P.S- Megaphones at church are not specifically endorsed by the author of this post. If you do try that however, video links will be appreciated. | 2011-03-29 10:26:00 Author: tdarb Posts: 689 |
| I understand that you may have spent a long time on your level. But really, most of the Mm Picks would've taken weeks, maybe even months to create. (literally) And besides, every single level on the server is a good level. Even the shark and bomb survivals. You may not like them, but others will. If you really want your level to be noticed advertise your level on multiple forums instead of ranting about something we have heard a million times before... | 2011-03-29 10:29:00 Author: Retro  Posts: 104 |
| I understand that you may have spent a long time on your level. But really, most of the Mm Picks would've taken weeks, maybe even months to create. (literally) And besides, every single level on the server is a good level. Even the shark and bomb survivals. You may not like them, but others will. If you really want your level to be noticed advertise your level on multiple forums instead of ranting about something we have heard a million times before... I "literally" spent weeks to create it. However, I know better than not to create another level NOW... Yeah, work hard, create a level and then work harder to advertise it, LBP for me is "finished", you may think otherwise, but that's your idea... And now, I even don't think that it should necessarily be noticed... LBP universe is laden with kids, kids and kids... And they are (how to say it?) ignorant and spoiled at best... So who cares? I will stick to KZ 3 and Bc2... At least my kd/ratio is seen by many people (and appreciated!)... | 2011-03-29 10:45:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| If you are not already a "Little Big Celebrity" from the previous and "primitive" LBP 1, you don't have a "say" in this Little Big Ridiculous Planet... I don't consider myself a celebrity. I'm semi well known for being a moderator, but I haven't published a whole lot of levels. Outside this site, I suspect hardly anybody has heard of me. Despite that, I published a level about 3 1/2 weeks ago and as of this writing, it's got 86,000 plays. So no, you don't have to be a celebrity or get Mm picked to get plays. I just want to see that my hard work is (if not appreciated) at least checked out by other players I don't know how you expect that to happen without promoting it. I clicked on your "my creations" link on your profile and there's nothing there. You haven't given your psn id so none of us know where to look for your level. Basically, you seem to be hoping that people will just stumble across it on the lbp servers and play it. That can work if you get lucky, but it's not a good strategy if you're actually looking for plays. If you want your level played, my advice is to update your lbpc profile and your profiles on any other lbp sites you might use to include your psn name, and you may even want to put links to your levels in your signature. Post a thread about your level in the level showcase forum here and on any other lbp sites you use. Include a brief but detailed description that hi-lites the selling points of your level, and I would strongly advise including pictures as well (I won't look twice at a level thread if there aren't any pics). On this site, if you use the F4F option when you post your level thread, you're almost guaranteed to get at least a few plays. If traffic is slow to your level, find other people's F4F threads, play their levels, and give them feedback so that they'll play yours. Other things to try are to make sure you give your level an intriguing title that will catch people's eyes. The most plays I got in lbp1 was for my level titled "The Most Advanced Mech in LBP..." and I'm pretty sure that a decent chunk of its plays came from people who wanted to see where I got off making such a grandiose claim. Of course this approach can be risky if your level can't back up your claims--you'll likely be downrated a lot early on, which will make it impossible to get any more plays--so try not to go overboard and definitely don't lie about what's in your level. Include a level icon that's interesting or exciting (see my sig). After the title, this is your best chance to catch someone's eye (in LBP1 it was the other way around, but now the titles are more apparent when browsing levels). Include a detailed but not too long-winded description. If nothing else, a well thought out level description shows that you put effort into it, which will lead people to believe that you've put effort into the level itself. Remember that if anybody is reading your description, it's because your title/icon were interesting enough to get their attention but they're not quite sure they want to play the level, so make sure you really sell it in the description. Tell us why we can't live without playing your level. And then there's the more controversial option: get all your friends to play your level, give it a good rating, and heart it. This will help it become more visible and the high rating/heart level will make it look more appealing to other people--"If all these guys loved the level that much, it must be good." This is really only good for a handful of additional plays unless your level is good enough that people will keep up-rating it and hearting it, but a handful is better than none. And lastly, this is just my personal maxim, so take it or leave it: Every level should be playable by 1-4 players. I'm pretty sure the majority of players try out new levels on their own, so you'll want to make sure that a single player can play and have fun in your versus levels. On the other hand, there are also plenty of players who play in groups, so limiting a level to single-player-only can prevent these people from playing it. By making your level appeal to as wide an audience as possible, you increase the number of potential plays you can get. If you play your cards right and your level is at least fairly decent quality and fun to play, it should be fairly easy to get at least a few hundred plays, which is quite a bit more than you get by starting threads about how it's impossible to get plays. Good luck. | 2011-03-29 11:13:00 Author: Sehven  Posts: 2188 |
| sehven hit it on the spot...in the end you can't just publish a level and hope people will comb through the millions of levels out there and find it...it's your job to get it out there...if you think your creations are worth playing then do the work of advertising because they can't do it themselves | 2011-03-29 11:25:00 Author: Shadowcrazy  Posts: 3365 |
| @ the OP. No i think i will waste my time making levels even if they don't get more then 20 plays. because unlike people like you i don't create for hearts and for fame, i create because i have stories and fantasy worlds in my mind i want to see get created, and LBP does just that for me, honestly only caring about and wanting fame in a game? there's something wrong about that, it's OK if one ends up with fame, even wanting some is OK, but when you go and cry about it when you don't get it, then really i can't understand why someone like that plays LBP... *mew PS: Tho i guess it don't really matter in the end, hes a Lint AKA Newbie... more then likely he'll never come back and read this just like how most lints don't.  | 2011-03-29 11:25:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz  Posts: 4261 |
| Thanks for the advice terbas. I shall now give up creating forever. Goobye LBPC! | 2011-03-29 11:37:00 Author: Nuclearfish  Posts: 927 |
| You created a versus level that you and your (offline) friends can play and have a lot of fun. This would be enough satisfaction for me personally. | 2011-03-29 11:47:00 Author: shindol  Posts: 78 |
| I "literally" spent weeks to create it. However, I know better than not to create another level NOW... Yeah, work hard, create a level and then work harder to advertise it, LBP for me is "finished", you may think otherwise, but that's your idea... And now, I even don't think that it should necessarily be noticed... LBP universe is laden with kids, kids and kids... And they are (how to say it?) ignorant and spoiled at best... So who cares? I will stick to KZ 3 and Bc2... At least my kd/ratio is seen by many people (and appreciated!)... If you haven't noticed, LBP(2) is an all ages game. I happen to be a kid myself, and it seems like what you are saying is that most of the people playing the game are ignorant and spoiled. If you are looking for fame please do not play the game. People who are like this really ruin the community. | 2011-03-29 12:10:00 Author: Retro Posts: 104 |
| I hate to say it, but most of the times I see a thread like this I see that it is a new member here that is upset and not using any of the tools of this site that are so well designed for creators. 1. Post your levels!!! You have been here since January 2010 and not posted one level in the Level Showcase???? 2. USE F4F on your level thread and use it WISELY!!! By that I mean, enable F4F on your Level Showcase thread and go play OTHER F4F levels! Leave constructive and detailed feedback and then ask them to check your level out to honor their F4F commitment. I understand you are angry seeing other levels get so much more attention, but it takes effort. You can get plays, but it takes quite a bit of work and you need the help of others that also want plays and feedback. Here at LBPC are the tools to make that happen. Use them!! ..and good luck!  | 2011-03-29 12:13:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| As Sehven said.... promotion. In some, way, shape, or form you need to promote your level. LBP is no different than any other form of published information on the internet.... except that MM gives you some tools to give you an initial boost - such as a bit of free publicity when your level is first published. If I put up a website, for instance, and I don't worry about page placement, metatags, multiple pages of content that can steer people to me.... Very few people will end up finding it except randomnly. Try some of the following: Put up a showcase thread using F4F and be proactive - go to other people's thread and try to give some good, useful feedback and then ask them to give you feedback. When you get feedback, try to use it consistently to improve the gameplay experience, even watching others play it who have never played before - feedback from someone who has never played your level is the most useful. Make friends - many good creators will be glad to make friends with someone else that is serious and talented about creating.... and a few of their happy faces, comments, and hearts on your level when first published really helps. With thousands of levels being published everyday there's NO WAY Media Molecule will be able to make sure all the good ones get their due attention, and there's no way in the world they can stop extra attention from going to a creator that already has thousands of creator hearts and a following (which many times took that creator years to build up). So, if you want attention you'll need to take responsibility for getting it. | 2011-03-29 12:16:00 Author: CCubbage  Posts: 4430 |
| Complaining about not getting plays on your level, and then not actually posting a LBP.me link or any details on how to find it is baffling to me. This whole "I deserve something for creating levels" is really winding me up, you dont, if you think you do, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Its then almost certainly turned on the people that have MM Picks because they are rubbish, or for being famous and hogging the lime light. Its total crap and its slowly turning me off this site. | 2011-03-29 12:34:00 Author: GruntosUK  Posts: 1754 |
| What everyone said. There are TONNES of threads covering this topic with HEAPS of excellent advise on how to promote and sustain a level. Nevertheless, I have to stress this again: Take pride in your creation regardless if it generates 10 ,100 ,1000 or 10.000 plays! And even if you've spent hours, days and months creating, still consider it as a work in progress; Listen to feedback, both good and not so good, and then update your level so that it stands out as an even more solid experience. And bottom line. If you're frustrated about not getting plays, ask for adivce. Don't rant and try and blame the community. | 2011-03-29 13:05:00 Author: Discosmurf  Posts: 210 |
| You my friend are a saint! A saint! | 2011-03-29 13:05:00 Author: Junkyardassissan  Posts: 164 |
| Yeah, the "fanboy attack" began sooner than I expected. I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF BEING FAMOUS... And being famous in LBP, that can only be a joke... All I wanted was that my level could be recognized... If this game boasts with millions of "junk" levels, it can... But it must find a better way to advertise the levels (the hard work is already tiring enough)... | 2011-03-29 13:10:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| @ the OP. No i think i will waste my time making levels even if they don't get more then 20 plays. because unlike people like you i don't create for hearts and for fame, i create because i have stories and fantasy worlds in my mind i want to see get created, and LBP does just that for me, honestly only caring about and wanting fame in a game? there's something wrong about that, it's OK if one ends up with fame, even wanting some is OK, but when you go and cry about it when you don't get it, then really i can't understand why someone like that plays LBP... *mew PS: Tho i guess it don't really matter in the end, hes a Lint AKA Newbie... more then likely he'll never come back and read this just like how most lints don't. YEAH! What's that nonsense about that "lint AKA Newbie..." stuff? I'm a member since a long time. Yes, I'm not so active in the forums but I'm a member since a long time... And here's your answer: FAME IS NOT MY INTENTION BUT APPRECIATION OF HARD WORK IS... Fame in Lbp, it's like being famous in a desolate planet... Who cares about being "famous" in a "game"???? I just want to see my level recognized, that's (or was) all... Stop calling people names... That's not a good attitude... | 2011-03-29 13:16:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Look, this is not personal, ok? But come on. Seriously? Hard work? It's a game. A hobby. Something most of us do for FUN! You make it sound like a chore! It's got nothing to do with more important achievments in life that you should rather pursue than just some number on a screen. Of course, EVERYONE wants their levels to be played and noticed but at the end of the day, who cares really. Some levels make it, alot of levels don't. | 2011-03-29 13:17:00 Author: Discosmurf Posts: 210 |
| If you haven't noticed, LBP(2) is an all ages game. I happen to be a kid myself, and it seems like what you are saying is that most of the people playing the game are ignorant and spoiled. If you are looking for fame please do not play the game. People who are like this really ruin the community. That's a "kiddie" reply (as expected)... I have no intentions of fame hunting... FAME in a GAME can't be more than a joke... I just want to see my hard work appreciated by people, that's all.. It is clear that you did'nt read what I posted above... Yeah, kids are impatient, I know that... | 2011-03-29 13:21:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| And thanks for the advice -Do not play the game-.. That's exactly what I'll do in the future. | 2011-03-29 13:25:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Everything that has been said in this thread is completely valid, regardless of who it came from. Gruntos hit the nail on the head - you worked weeks to make a level and have done squat to advertise. How can you expect anything other than the results you're seeing?!?The people that have achieved moderate success in being visible in this game learned this lesson years ago and is how they got where they are. You're among thousands of LBP2 players who spend weeks, if not months on their levels. That doesn't earn you anything special. Yes, it's frustrating when all that hard work doesn't churn out 10,000 plays, but you need to work just as hard AFTER you publish as you do creating. LBPC is a launching tool - use it. If you're not posting a F4F level thread, with pictures, a lbp.me link, and participating in F4F with other users, then it's entirely your fault that your creation is going unnoticed. Most of us start hyping our stuff well before launch so that the minute we hit publish, we can attract a boatload of attention to give our level the initial boost it needs to succeed. I will say though that coming in here and taking cheap shots and laying blame on successful creators is going to have the opposite effect. You're already p*ssing off people who could be potentially playing and rating up your level to land you some popularity. You're biting the hand that feeds.... | 2011-03-29 13:33:00 Author: Thegide  Posts: 1465 |
| And thanks for the advice -Do not play the game-.. That's exactly what I'll do in the future. Try avoiding double posting as well.. Look... you are just mad. It does suck seeing horrible levels do well while what you put time and effort in goes unnoticed, but we are trying to help you out and giving you quite a bit of advice on how you can get some plays and even more important, feedback. If you are not interested in it, then you are simply complaining and might as well shout at your fridge. It will do as much good. again.. 1. Post your PSN 2. Post your Levels 3 Use F4F and be proactive. 4. Make friends and support their efforts so they might return the favor. Otherwise.. you are just leaving it to chance or just enjoy being angry. All the best! | 2011-03-29 13:33:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Okay dude, Don't play the game if you don't want to. You've already bought it, Trade it in if you want to, Do whatever, But don't post about it here. It's a teastament to the generosity of this site that people are posting long thought out replys to your childish rant. What do you hope to achieve with this thread? Millions of players to similtuionsly decide to quit LBP? People to imedieatly play your level? Media Molecule to give you a refund? I've played your level, And I say frankly, The reason you didn't get that many plays was because your level WASN'T THAT GOOD. | 2011-03-29 13:33:00 Author: Junkyardassissan Posts: 164 |
| Yeah, come on fanboys! Time to channel your daily anger to someone who criticizes your beloved game... You can't even tolerate a little criticism, can you? | 2011-03-29 13:37:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Okay dude, Don't play the game if you don't want to. You've already bought it, Trade it in if you want to, Do whatever, But don't post about it here. It's a teastament to the generosity of this site that people are posting long thought out replys to your childish rant. What do you hope to achieve with this thread? Millions of players to similtuionsly decide to quit LBP? People to imedieatly play your level? Media Molecule to give you a refund? I've played your level, And I say frankly, The reason you didn't get that many plays was because your level WASN'T THAT GOOD. Yeah, after my comments, I CAN'T EXPECT you to be objective. Anyway, that's your opinion... | 2011-03-29 13:39:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Honestly watching people who get thousands of plays on their levels by just publishing them give a lecture on how the kid should just deal with it and stop crying is rather sad, and the people saying that LBP players are NOT supposed to expect plays are even more sad. Maybe you guys didn't notice but the tagline of the game is PLAY CREATE SHARE and the SHARE part is totally broken. If some people are not interested in the SHARE part then they have no right to post in this thread. And people must NOT be forced to advertise on websites, because the game must give everybody an equal chance to SHARE their levels with the whole community within the game. The guy creating this topic may have been extremely rude but some of his points are absolutely legit. | 2011-03-29 13:41:00 Author: Vergil Posts: 155 |
| Yeah, come on fanboys! Time to channel your daily anger to someone who criticizes your beloved game... You can't even tolerate a little criticism, can you? lol... You are the angry one.. We try to help you out and you are still upset. To be honest, I am laughing, enjoying my morning frosty diet coke and wondering what to have for breakfast. ROLF! If you don't enjoy creating, then don't. I have spent the past two plus months in create to recreate a mini game I did in the Beta. Not even a whole level.. I am having a blast playing it and haven't even bothered publishing it because I think I can stuff more in it. I am having a blast!!! ...so sorry you aren't, but you could be! | 2011-03-29 13:42:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Okay then, let's talk semantics. You say you do not want 'fame', rather, you wish to be 'appreciated'. Appreciated how, exactly? And by just how many people? You desire plays for your level. Okay, great. You say that you and your friends have played your level extensively offline and debugged it. (You should be proud of that effort in itself by the way) That/I] is a form of appreciation from your friends, surely? They took the time to play your level with you, and apprentley enjoyed it. Great! What about your own pride in your creation? Is that not a thing to take comfort in? Evidently, this is not enough, you post your level online, and hope that others will then "appreciate" your level. So you want them to play it, adding to a rather small and insignificant number on your stat screen? This, my friend, is not in itself appreciation. This is somebody clicking a button. Appreciation is, I am afraid, not something that you can expect to just [I]get when you are such alittle fish swimming in a giant ocean. Neither is recognition. You can, however, seek attention for your level, as many people have already been helpful enough to suggest. You are essentially taking these suggestions, and completely ignoring them. Go, take a look at the level showcase, put your level in as a Feedback for Feedback thread, and see what comes of it. You said you've been a part of this forum for sometime, as a lurker perhaps? So you should be familiar enough with the system that you know how to give it a shot. No, it's not meant to be hard work - it is (As Discosmurf said) a pastime, a hobby, an enjoyable activity which fills up a part of our everyday lives, but does not detract from the necessity of other activites which are wholly more important, gratifying and rewarding than any bunch of pixels on a screen could ever hope to be. So, to summarize, put this thing into perspective. You want plays? Well, I'm sorry to say but this is a pointless way to go about it. | 2011-03-29 13:44:00 Author: rialrees  Posts: 1015 |
| Try avoiding double posting as well.. Look... you are just mad. It does suck seeing horrible levels do well while what you put time and effort in goes unnoticed, but we are trying to help you out and giving you quite a bit of advice on how you can get some plays and even more important, feedback. If you are not interested in it, then you are simply complaining and might as well shout at your fridge. It will do as much good. again.. 1. Post your PSN 2. Post your Levels 3 Use F4F and be proactive. 4. Make friends and support their efforts so they might return the favor. Otherwise.. you are just leaving it to chance or just enjoy being angry. All the best! I don't have any problems with gamers like you... And thanks for your advice. But some mindless freaks began cursing me already... Sackboys are supposed to be cute, aren't they? | 2011-03-29 13:46:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| I didn't curse anyone here, but you do... What you do is the "EXACT FANBOY ATTITUDE"... Dude.. calm down. Let's play "put up or shut up... what is your PSN"? ..or do you wish to keep complaining? If you post it there might be quite a few of us to go play it right now. ..or do you just want to stay upset? I myself have decided on a muffin and some bacon. | 2011-03-29 13:47:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| I didn't curse anyone here, but you do... What you do is the "EXACT FANBOY ATTITUDE"... Well, this argument is completely confounded. And yeah, you cursed everyone here the minute you posted with your celebrity bashing and calling everyone who tried to provide you with constructive advice "fanboys". I don't put up with that, so I called you on it, and you have retorted with more drivel. I'll try to stifle my laughter, because despite that I find this thread to be downright comical at this point, you really do need to calm down, before you get yourself in trouble and I don't want to be responsible for your meltdown and/or destruction of personal property. If the game is causing you this much stress, maybe it's time to shelve it. Best of luck in your future endeavors. | 2011-03-29 13:48:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465 |
| Honestly watching people who get thousands of plays on their levels by just publishing them give a lecture on how the kid should just deal with it and stop crying is rather sad, and the people saying that LBP players are NOT supposed to expect plays are even more sad. Maybe you guys didn't notice but the tagline of the game is PLAY CREATE SHARE and the SHARE part is totally broken. If some people are not interested in the SHARE part then they have no right to post in this thread. And people must NOT be forced to advertise on websites, because the game must give everybody an equal chance to SHARE their levels with the whole community within the game. The guy creating this topic may have been extremely rude but some of his points are absolutely legit. This isn't a fault with the game. This is how everything in life works. Not all music artists who make good music are instantly going to become world famous without any effort on their part. It's the same in LBP2. | 2011-03-29 13:52:00 Author: Nuclearfish Posts: 927 |
| http://lbp.me/v/x5e8nd My psn id is there... | 2011-03-29 13:54:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Thanks for your support, but... Rude? One fanboy already said that I should have shoved my fanboy attack" attitude and shove it... Who's being rude now? Yeah, some LBP lovers are really good people, I see that... Well again to be honest, if you walk into a hardware store waving a chainsaw around and screaming at the top of your lungs, you might find yourself confronted with a considerable amount of MOAR ATTITUDE rather than calmly asking where you could get some help in operating said chainsaw. lol | 2011-03-29 13:56:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Wow! None of my previous posts were read this much... It is clear that fanboys like to attack and be attacked. On the other hand, those who give good and healthy advices, my word "fanboy" is definitely not intended for you. And thanks to you all... | 2011-03-29 13:59:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| This isn't a fault with the game. This is how everything in life works. Not all music artists who make good music are instantly going to become world famous without any effort on their part. It's the same in LBP2. How is this not a fault of the game? One of the main focus of the game is sharing the level with the community, but the simple in-game publish doesn't allow you to share with anyone. I'm not expecting a perfect system, but LBP 2 having a worse system than the first is rather inexcusable. And no matter how much effort people put in it, a huge amount of levels are doomed, and not even promoting on the net can help that much. Is it really bad to HOPE for some spotlight? | 2011-03-29 14:03:00 Author: Vergil Posts: 155 |
| Well again to be honest, if you walk into a hardware store waving a chainsaw around and screaming at the top of your lungs, you might find yourself confronted with a considerable amount of MOAR ATTITUDE rather than calmly asking where you could get some help in operating said chainsaw. lol Just because I advised people "not to waste time in a game", you say, I deserve all kinds of harsh words (and I don't think you meant that)... Some other people changed the attitude in this thread, I did not... | 2011-03-29 14:04:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Honestly watching people who get thousands of plays on their levels by just publishing them give a lecture on how the kid should just deal with it and stop crying is rather sad, and the people saying that LBP players are NOT supposed to expect plays are even more sad. Maybe you guys didn't notice but the tagline of the game is PLAY CREATE SHARE and the SHARE part is totally broken. If some people are not interested in the SHARE part then they have no right to post in this thread. And people must NOT be forced to advertise on websites, because the game must give everybody an equal chance to SHARE their levels with the whole community within the game. The guy creating this topic may have been extremely rude but some of his points are absolutely legit. No one said he should just deal with it. People have been giving advice, and trying to help out. He's responded by calling us kids and fanboys, and he's just being downright nasty about it. I keep seeing mentions of all these people that get 1000 plays just by posting. well good for them. Do you know how they did it? They worked at it. Look at their earths, there are often tons of levels there. Most of those didn't get very many plays. Also, notice that many of those same people are helpful and active on at least one forum site. They didn't just wake up one day with a great reputation and people looking forward to the next level. They worked at something they enjoy, they honed their skills, and they became part of the community helping and sharing. They provided something that people wanted and responded to. That doesn't just happen by accident. Some of those same people are here offering advice and even encouragement. Everyone starts on the same level. If my goal was to get 1000 plays, I might listen to the advice of people that do instead of attacking them and calling names. If you don't want to hear people tell you how they got what you are trying to get, then there's really no point in bringing it up. here's a few simple truths. 1 No matter how good you think your first few levels are, a year from now you will probably be amazed at how much better your newer ones are. 2 No one gets many plays at the start. that's just how it is, and lashing out won't fix that. 3 Everyone has an equal chance at getting plays. It just takes time. | 2011-03-29 14:06:00 Author: tdarb Posts: 689 |
| So are you actually going to post your thread in the level showcase? You could've used the time you spent arguing with everyone doing just that... | 2011-03-29 14:06:00 Author: Rhys125  Posts: 841 |
| Look dude we were just trying to calm you down and telling ya just to try to enjoy the game, and not worry about plays, hearts, whateverz, and like everyone already said if you really wanted plays instead of going in to internet rage, you could have just posted links to your level and tried to get it known in a calm respectful manner, But like many you just came off as full of your self and wanted to vent on a forum and was under the wrong idea everyone would agree with you. sorry that's not the way one goes about it, and raging on the internet where people are just enjoying a hobby and wanting to have fun is not gonna make us respect you much, at least not till you can talk in calm civilized manner. and yes you were talking about wanting LBP fame like many do. also newbie or not you still not a active person here, *mew PS: from now on just post links to your levels, no need to create rage topics. | 2011-03-29 14:11:00 Author: Lord-Dreamerz Posts: 4261 |
| Look dude we were just trying to calm you down and telling ya just to try to enjoy the game, and not worry about plays, hearts, whateverz, and like everyone already said if you really wanted plays instead of going in to internet rage, you could have just posted links to your level and tried to get it known in a calm respectful manner, But like many you just came off as full of your self and wanted to vent on a forum and was under the wrong idea everyone would agree with you. sorry that's not the way one goes about it, and raging on the internet where people are just enjoying a hobby and wanting to have fun is not gonna make us respect you much, at least not till you can talk in calm civilized manner. and yes you were talking about wanting LBP fame like many do. also newbie or not you still not a active person here, *mew You didn't get the point. And it was others who cursed and swore... Not me... That dialogue was NOT started by me... | 2011-03-29 14:13:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| How is this not a fault of the game? One of the main focus of the game is sharing the level with the community, but the simple in-game publish doesn't allow you to share with anyone. I'm not expecting a perfect system, but LBP 2 having a worse system than the first is rather inexcusable. And no matter how much effort people put in it, a huge amount of levels are doomed, and not even promoting on the net can help that much. Is it really bad to HOPE for some spotlight? What game are you playing? Publishing a level IS sharing. | 2011-03-29 14:14:00 Author: Nuclearfish Posts: 927 |
| No one said he should just deal with it. People have been giving advice, and trying to help out. He's responded by calling us kids and fanboys, and he's just being downright nasty about it. I keep seeing mentions of all these people that get 1000 plays just by posting. well good for them. Do you know how they did it? They worked at it. Look at their earths, there are often tons of levels there. Most of those didn't get very many plays. . Well to be honest some of the post here told him to either deal with it and stop posting. Regarding the whole work on your levels, this worked in LBP 1. I clearly remember when i kept on following the 'From Siberia with Love' series and i literally got mad how those outstanding levels got such a small amounts of plays. However the in-game LBP system still allowed the levels to get some spotlight if the author was dedicated enough. The LBP 2 system doesn't really gives you a chance at all, especially with the time where you can get on cool pages shortened to 3 days. If somebody today created a series of outstanding levels like that one, he'd be stuck with 10 plays and most likely stop creating after a couple of levels. | 2011-03-29 14:17:00 Author: Vergil Posts: 155 |
| Wow! None of my previous posts were read this much... It is clear that fanboys like to attack and be attacked. On the other hand, those who give good and healthy advices, my word "fanboy" is definitely not intended for you. And thanks to you all... Actually, you spent the first page of this thread calling anyone who didn't tell you what you wanted to hear, a fanboy, after they gave you constructive advice. And yet with this post, you're still trolling with the insults. Also, get over what I said to you. I didn't insult you, merely pointed out that your attitude was unacceptable and what I thought you could do with it. If you want to get hung up over a single "curse" that you can hear daily on primetime tv, then that's your perogative. I edited my prior post, if that makes you feel better, though somehow I still think you missed the entire point of what I was trying to say. Anyways, I played your level, since what you really wanted out of this thread was to get some exposure and I was wondering why you were making such a big deal over this. Perhaps at the very least this rant of yours will prove that you can get plays by posting about it and you will have learned a valuable lesson. Next time, try posting it in the F4F thread and avoid the negative attitude. Cheers. | 2011-03-29 14:19:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465 |
| What game are you playing? Publishing a level IS sharing. If nobody sees the level, you're not sharing with anybody. | 2011-03-29 14:19:00 Author: Vergil Posts: 155 |
| Just because I advised people "not to waste time in a game", you say, I deserve all kinds of harsh words (and I don't think you meant that)... Some other people changed the attitude in this thread, I did not... In fairness, you started the thread angry, in no mood to discuss anything and threw out roughly as many insults (be they curses or not) to people as were thrown at you as the thing escalated... This thread was never going to go well and honestly, whilst you may have had harsh words sent your way, can you honestly say you weren't looking for a fight and that you were perfectly well behaved?? You can't see anything in the words or the style in which you wrote that might possibly have contributed to things escalating? Not to mention the fact that you started your blanket "fanboys" accusation shortly after several people had attempted to talk to you like a civilised human being, choosing to only focus on, and retaliate to, the negatives, which could easily be perceived as throwing any attempts at positive, mature discussion back in the faces of those that attempted to reach out to you... Maybe, if everyone has run out of steam on the petty squabbling, this thread might grow to resemble something other than the trainwreck that it was? | 2011-03-29 14:20:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| NO! NO! NO! I called those who tried to humiliate me calling me a "lint" and those who cursed me "FANBOYS". And no one else! How could I be so ignorant to name those who try to help me as fanboys? | 2011-03-29 14:20:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| NO! NO! NO! I called those who tried to humiliate me calling me a "lint" and those who cursed me "FANBOYS". And no one else! How could I be so ignorant to name those who try to help me as fanboys? In the fanboys comment, you didn't even acknowledge those that were trying to be civil - the fanboys comment was completely undirected... You might have known where it was pointed, but you didn't communicate that at all well... Hence the extra crappy response afterwards. | 2011-03-29 14:22:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| If nobody sees the level, you're not sharing with anybody. Right. So what do you propose the game should do to solve that without requiring any effort from the creator? How about something that alerts every player to every new level that is published? Oh wait, we already have that (http://lbp.me/search?t=newest). | 2011-03-29 14:23:00 Author: Nuclearfish Posts: 927 |
| How come you can talk about "not being negative?". You are the one who insulted first, you used the ".ss" word and you talk about being tolerant... | 2011-03-29 14:24:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Right. So what do you propose the game should do to solve that without requiring any effort from the creator? How about something that alerts every player to every new level that is published? Oh wait, we already have that (http://lbp.me/search?t=newest). Yes and it's so incredibly effective... or not. Maybe due to the number of new levels getting published (or usually re-published) nobody sees it unless he checks the category every second. Can you stop showing me obvious stuff? I know how the system works and what it does, but it's not working right now. | 2011-03-29 14:26:00 Author: Vergil Posts: 155 |
| There were many great points in this thread about how to get plays in LBP2, as well as not cutting down popular creators... just because they're popular. terbas, you mentioned the "Share" in LBP2 is broken. It isn't. "Sharing" is a two way street. It implies give and take. In LBP2, the more you give the more you get in return. Giving yourself to others is a great way to make friends and have them help you out. On the other hand, this thread is a TERRIBLE idea....especially on this site. Many of the creators on this site are also the most popular ones.... and they are extremely nice people who are not only great creators, but are unselfish and are always willing to give a helping hand to others. You basically cut down their levels just because they are on MM picks or are popular, as if "MM" picks are completely impersonal. They aren't. The people who created them are HERE and READING THIS. My suggestion is that, instead of lashing back, you have a moderator close this thread, put your psn into your sig, create a F4F showcase thread, and start playing and giving feedback on other people's levels. If your level is good and gets some attention, you may even have a shot at a LBPC Spotlight.... which could generate even more plays. Gotta tell you, having an MM pick is fun.... but it's a bit like having a great big party for you with 50,000 people.... but you only know 10 of them. And during the party you hear people you don't even know muttering insults about you. On the one hand, you're enjoying being around the people you know, but on the other hand, it hurts your feelings a bit when people are backstabbing you. Every time during the day someone throws a message on my level thread like "You Suck" or "This shouldn't have been MM picked" it bothers me a bit. And having you come on this site and say all the MM picks are boring.... I don't really expect that here. LBPC has always put many of the creators on the same level - we get to be friends and help each other out. | 2011-03-29 14:27:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| If nobody sees the level, you're not sharing with anybody. 1. New levels are posted on lbp.me 2. People on your friends list are alerted when you publish a level 3. There are search features for newest levels and pins that reward you for seeking them out and playing them 4. The lucky dip feature randomly fires people to your stuff Plain and simple, there is a lot of competition for visibility. Short of MM putting a gun to your head to force you to play every new level that is published, I don't see what other features they could add to help new levels. This is why LBPC and other fansites are so important. Those who put in the extra effort generally understand the value of marketing. It's no different than being an entrepreneur. Or maybe LBP should just implement a paid advertising feature | 2011-03-29 14:30:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465 |
| Yes and it's so incredibly effective... or not. Maybe due to the number of new levels getting published (or usually re-published) nobody sees it unless he checks the category every second. Can you stop showing me obvious stuff? I know how the system works and what it does, but it's not working right now. No, it's working exactly as it's supposed to. Problem is as you rightly say there are hundreds of new levels published every minute. Aside from randomly selecting levels and showcasing them, there's nothing more the game can do to promote them for you unless there's already people playing them (whcih is how cool pages, highest rated etc. work). So then it's up to the creator to take matters into their own hands. If you have an idea for a way the game can give every good level thousands of plays without any effort, I'd love to hear it. | 2011-03-29 14:31:00 Author: Nuclearfish Posts: 927 |
| Well to be honest some of the post here told him to either deal with it and stop posting. Regarding the whole work on your levels, this worked in LBP 1. I clearly remember when i kept on following the 'From Siberia with Love' series and i literally got mad how those outstanding levels got such a small amounts of plays. However the in-game LBP system still allowed the levels to get some spotlight if the author was dedicated enough. The LBP 2 system doesn't really gives you a chance at all, especially with the time where you can get on cool pages shortened to 3 days. If somebody today created a series of outstanding levels like that one, he'd be stuck with 10 plays and most likely stop creating after a couple of levels. I created the Siberia series, did the low amount of plays bother me, no, did it me stop spending six months finishing the series a couple of hundred people had played (originally) It did not. The plays increased gradually, thanks to people like you following and playing the levels. I was overjoyed that 60 people played my first level in a month. What I did was learn level by level, gradually increasing plays as I went. It took time, and not throwing my toys out of the pram when the first level did'nt do so well. I'm creating a new series now, I'm enjoying making them, and if 100 people play it and like it, job done in my eyes. EDIT: To add, it was making friends on this site, playing others peoples levels constantly and leaving the most detailed feedback I could that helped me get plays. Publishing, sitting back and doing nothing to help myself, and then complaining about the outcome would have achieved nothing I'm afraid, and this thread is proof of that. | 2011-03-29 14:32:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754 |
| There were many great points in this thread about how to get plays in LBP2, as well as not cutting down popular creators... just because they're popular. terbas, you mentioned the "Share" in LBP2 is broken. It isn't. "Sharing" is a two way street. It implies give and take. In LBP2, the more you give the more you get in return. Giving yourself to others is a great way to make friends and have them help you out. On the other hand, this thread is a TERRIBLE idea....especially on this site. Many of the creators on this site are also the most popular ones.... and they are extremely nice people who are not only great creators, but are unselfish and are always willing to give a helping hand to others. You basically cut down their levels just because they are on MM picks or are popular, as if "MM" picks are completely impersonal. They aren't. The people who created them are HERE and READING THIS. My suggestion is that, instead of lashing back, you have a moderator close this thread, put your psn into your sig, create a F4F showcase thread, and start playing and giving feedback on other people's levels. If your level is good and gets some attention, you may even have a shot at a LBPC Spotlight.... which could generate even more plays. Gotta tell you, having an MM pick is fun.... but it's a bit like having a great big party for you with 50,000 people.... but you only know 10 of them. And during the party you hear people you don't even know muttering insults about you. On the one hand, you're enjoying being around the people you know, but on the other hand, it hurts your feelings a bit when people are backstabbing you. Every time during the day someone throws a message on my level thread like "You Suck" or "This shouldn't have been MM picked" it bothers me a bit. And having you come on this site and say all the MM picks are boring.... I don't really expect that here. LBPC has always put many of the creators on the same level - we get to be friends and help each other out. I never meant to insult people like you, but if someone advises me "to shovel my attitude up my .ss", he can't go unnoticed and gets his reply... And a member did just that. MM picks... Some of them are really good... I said "some of them are not fun at all" (not all of them)... Again, none of my harsh words were intended for people like you... | 2011-03-29 14:35:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| When some people that post very few like CCubbage or GrantosUK speak, people must stay silent and read their post twice or thrice since there's always something wise to learn. I've never bothered about plays or hearts or whatever, I didn't even asked my friends to play my stuff. If they want it's there, they can see what I do from my profile in a blink of an eye if they're interested, they don't have to feel forced to play it cause it's a friend work...a lot of people on my friend's list didn't play my stuff. I'm fine that more or less the 75% of players that took their time and patience to finish a level that is fair, but not cheap or hard, hearted and liked the level. My only level on LBP2 would have been a massacre of sad faces, but when it was out, just the comment from a couple of people I respect here made the work worth the sweat. It could have gone better, sure, but I'm fine with it. | 2011-03-29 14:37:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Hi, Shadowriver. http://lbp.me/v/x5e8nd My psn id is there... | 2011-03-29 14:41:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| How come you can talk about "not being negative?". You are the one who insulted first, you used the word and you talk about being tolerant... So using a word in a sentence to accurately describe a bad behavior makes it an insult? You may want to read up on the definition of "insult". And you may want to reread the post, since I included constructive advice after I told you what I thought of your behavior. And in case you missed my last edit, I even cleaned up the post since you took such great offense to it. Anyways, I'm done. I can't help you any more than I have. In the time you've spent arguing, you could have made an advertising thread that would have been far more effective than this crusade. | 2011-03-29 14:41:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465 |
| When some people that post very few like CCubbage or GrantosUK speak, people must stay silent and read their post twice or thrice since there's always something wise to learn. I've never bothered about plays or hearts or whatever, I didn't even asked my friends to play my stuff. If they want it's there, they can see what I do from my profile in a blink of an eye if they're interested, they don't have to feel forced to play it cause it's a friend work...a lot of people on my friend's list didn't play my stuff. I'm fine that more or less the 75% of players that took their time and patience to finish a level that is fair, but not cheap or hard, hearted and liked the level. My only level on LBP2 would have been a massacre of sad faces, but when it was out, just the comment from a couple of people I respect here made the work worth the sweat. It could have gone better, sure, but I'm fine with it. All I want is to remain silent now... If some people offering non-constructive advices (and insults) let me to... | 2011-03-29 14:44:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| I created the Siberia series, did the low amount of plays bother me, no, did it me stop spending six months finishing the series a couple of hundred people had played (originally) It did not. The plays increased gradually, thanks to people like you following and playing the levels. I was overjoyed that 60 people played my first level in a month. What I did was learn level by level, gradually increasing plays as I went. It took time, and not throwing my toys out of the pram when the first level did'nt do so well. I'm creating a new series now, I'm enjoying making them, and if 100 people play it and like it, job done in my eyes. The problem here is that i feel you are the exception here: you were totally dedicated and the levels where way better than 99% of the community. There are plenty of people who are dedicated to creating and their levels are better than most, but watching your level get 5 plays in a week is truly heartbreaking, especially if you feel you have done something good. Should we blame them? I believe not, because many people jump in LBP 2 with great dedication and then get crushed rather badly by the current system. No, it's working exactly as it's supposed to. Problem is as you rightly say there are hundreds of new levels published every minute. Aside from randomly selecting levels and showcasing them, there's nothing more the game can do to promote them for you unless there's already people playing them (whcih is how cool pages, highest rated etc. work). So then it's up to the creator to take matters into their own hands. The newest level category should be relevant again, and when i mean relevant i mean having it slapped on the main page below cool pages and MM picks. In this way many more people would check it frequently. I also believe that the time to get on cool pages should elapse AFTER the level gets on cool pages. In this way any level, no matter how old it is, can eventually get on cool pages and get some spotlight. It's not effortless , but this could work within the game. Then there are the various websites which can help speed up the process. | 2011-03-29 14:45:00 Author: Vergil Posts: 155 |
| I queued the level :> and 20 plays i not so bottom of the hell pit so people don't get even 10 plays for longer time. Things is in LBP2 if you want to be notice you need to be tried to be noticed, at least post your level to level showcase My first LBP1 levels didnt go great either and continue creating avantually this level might be rediscovered while other level might get noticed | 2011-03-29 14:48:00 Author: Shadowriver  Posts: 3991 |
| So using a word in a sentence to accurately describe a bad behavior makes it an insult? You may want to read up on the definition of "insult". And you may want to reread the post, since I included constructive advice after I told you what I thought of your behavior. And in case you missed my last edit, I even cleaned up the post since you took such great offense to it. Anyways, I'm done. I can't help you any more than I have. In the time you've spent arguing, you could have made an advertising thread that would have been far more effective than this crusade. Ok... I quit! You proved to be right at the end, and even after using the word. ..You have to know your limits... Criticizing others is one thing and cursing others is another... | 2011-03-29 14:49:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| The newest level category should be relevant again, and when i mean relevant i mean having it slapped on the main page below cool pages and MM picks. In this way many more people would check it frequently. I also believe that the time to get on cool pages should elapse AFTER the level gets on cool pages. In this way any level, no matter how old it is, can eventually get on cool pages and get some spotlight. This I agree with. Cool pages is the proving ground that (mostly) raises good levels up and shoots bad levels down. I don't see the harm in stickying an older level once it reaches a threshold of plays/ratings in order to give it a fighting chance. | 2011-03-29 14:49:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465 |
| I queued the level :> and 20 plays i not so bottom of the hell pit so people don't get even 10 plays for longer time. Things is in LBP2 if you want to be notice you need to be tried to be noticed, at least post your level to level showcase My first LBP1 levels didnt go great either and continue creating avantually this level might be rediscovered while other level might get noticed Thanks, Shadowriver. I watched every single video of yours on Youtube and you really deserve respect and recognition as a creator. None of the words I mentioned above were aimed at creators like you who are really nice people in real life... | 2011-03-29 14:51:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| I queued the level :> and 20 plays i not so bottom of the hell pit so people don't get even 10 plays for longer time. Things is in LBP2 if you want to be notice you need to be tried to be noticed, at least post your level to level showcase My first LBP1 levels didnt go great either and continue creating avantually this level might be rediscovered while other level might get noticed haha, I know right. I've only published a few levels. one of them just got 20 plays not long ago. That's a year after it was published. I played the level too. it's decent. the controls seem ok, but there's work to be done on it. it reminds me of a few of the levels I already played in the main game portion of LBP2, so it's nothing really earth shattering. There's already more plays and hearts on this than on some things I left up for much longer. i don't get all the outrage. | 2011-03-29 14:53:00 Author: tdarb Posts: 689 |
| Guys, one of the top 3 things that happened to me in LBP has been working with rtm, comph and Grant on Sackbeard. I suck in building stuff, I'm below average I think, and I'm lazy, but if you look at what these guys can do, you understand why they're there. And you understand that they've sweated like anyone else, but they never gave up and I saw even some of those "famous" people's stuff, stuff that was never published because they didn't found it good enough, but it was better than 90% of the stuff around. What I mean is that jealousy is totally pointless, hard work is what matters, and if "we noobs" get an advice from the "vips", we should be wise to catch it without being conceited. | 2011-03-29 14:54:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| If I had a chance to close this thread, I would... It went way off... It became a virtual fighting pit, which was not my intention... I just wanted to make some people hear that "sharing" levels in LBP 2 is not that easy... But instead, got attacked by some... | 2011-03-29 14:57:00 Author: terbas Posts: 93 |
| Listen, sometimes here discussions gets hot, but hardly they become pits. Anyway, the discussion has been started by you with an angry tone that got toned down later. I understand you and your mood, but chill down, a lot of wise things has been said, so ask a mod to close the thread and get the chance to learn something and use them as a treasure | 2011-03-29 15:02:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| If I had a chance to close this thread, I would... It went way off... It became a virtual fighting pit, which was not my intention... I just wanted to make some people hear that "sharing" levels in LBP 2 is not that easy... But instead, got attacked by some... Well now, that was fun! To the OP: Please try placing your level in our Level Showcase and choose F4F. I think you'll be happy with the results. Take what positive feedback you can from this thread and use it how you see fit. Also, a quick side note to all of you. If you catch a phrase intentionally bypassing our language filters, no matter how benign you may think it is, please do not quote that phrase over and over again. Just makes my life that much easier. This thread has served its purpose and then some. | 2011-03-29 15:07:00 Author: schm0  Posts: 1239 |
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