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Recently I started experimenting with the music sequencer. With a little help from synthesia (click here for an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDGj6ELWdTg)) I've begun copying songs. However I've been having problems. First, the timing is really hard to get right. Is there a way better than doing it by ear? I tried messing with the breaks between notes, note lengths, and bpm but certain parts go too fast or slow. I tried to compensate by putting a sequencer within another sequencer, each with its own bpm. And that brings me to my second problem. When the second sequencer stops playing, it doesn't go back to the first. The whole thing just goes silent. So I put a third sequencer at the end of the second. But the sequenced'd sequencers are silent for the first few seconds. So am I missing something?

2011-03-29 05:26:00 Author: Zero1Sith Posts: 6

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I have yet to fool around with embedded sequencers, but I'm fairly confident you can achieve what you need in a single sequencer. First of all, what tune are you trying to copy?

2011-03-29 06:54:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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I'm trying to copy this song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDGj6ELWdTg) I copied the first 4 seconds exactly, but I can't get the speed right on the next part.

2011-03-29 07:18:00 Author: Zero1Sith Posts: 6

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The software in the yt vids you posted isn't very good at visualising the rhythmic structure of the song. If you aren't good at analysing rhythm in your head already (and don't want to learn it) it's probably best for you to use a different sequencer program. Most of them offer a piano roll view that's virtually identical to the LBP2 sequencer, making it a lot easier to copy songs.

2011-03-29 10:12:00 Author: tameturtle Posts: 150

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Well for starters, having an understanding of music is sort of a prerequisite. Assuming you already understand the fundamentals of note durations....if you want to accurately transcribe songs into LBP2, here's what I recommend: 1. Get the tempo right. You can use this tool (http://www.all8.com/tools/bpm.htm) to help you figure out what tempo your song is. If the song is complex with a lot of fast notes, I recommend doubling that number in the LBP2 sequencer because you may need the extra resolution for 32nd or even 64th notes. 2. Write a click track. This means get out a percussion instrument and mark out every 1/4 note. This makes composing a little easier because you have reference points for your beat. 3. Find a transcription online if possible. Something like a MIDI or guitar pro/powertab file that you can use as a basis for transcribing will help because the note durations and positions will already be marked out for you. Unless you're a seasoned musician, trying to transcribe by ear can be very difficult. It takes some experience to do this accurately. You may need to install some software to open tab files. 4. Brush up on your music theory. There are plenty of online resources which can teach you the basis of rhythm and theory. 5. Ask for some help. There are a lot of musicians on this site which can help get you started Good luck!

2011-03-29 13:47:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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Very nice advice from thegide there, I wish I could add more but after listening to the song in question I feel rather under qualified! Good luck with such an ambitious undertaking though, I'd love to see the results if you get it right!

2011-03-29 14:06:00 Author: rialrees Posts: 1015

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I should add that that song you've posted there is going to be pretty tricky because of the triplet feel to it. The bass notes at the beginning of the song form arpeggios that are sixteenth-triplets within a 4/4 time signature. Because the sequencer in LBP2 is rudimentary and you can't make triplets, you will have to treat the song as if it were in 12/8 time. To do this, you can to multiply your tempo by 1.5x and treat every three bars on the sequencer as two. If you were placing quarter notes every 8 notches before, you will be placing them every 12 now.

2011-03-29 15:03:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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I should add that that song you've posted there is going to be pretty tricky because of the triplet feel to it. ^ This.The bass notes at the beginning of the song form arpeggios that are sixteenth-triplets within a 4/4 time signature. Because the sequencer in LBP2 is rudimentary and you can't make triplets, you will have to treat the song as if it were in 12/8 time. To do this, you can to multiply your tempo by 1.5x and treat every three bars on the sequencer as two. If you were placing quarter notes every 8 notches before, you will be placing them every 12 now. ^This. What Thegide left out is that by doing this you might not be able to come close to the actual tempo of the song, especially since the triplets are sixteenth notes. You can make this song in LBP2, it'll just be a much slower version of it. If you're just beginning to expirement, I'd start with something much more basic than this. The piece itself is not only technically challenging to implement in a sequencer, but difficult to actually play on a piano. You'd have to have years of training to play this with any sort of accuracy.

2011-03-29 16:16:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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lol it's like an explosion of tips and help, you guys are awesome. I don't really have much experience with music in general so I'll have to study up a bit. And I guess I'll start with something a lot easier and work my way up. I know how to get MIDI files and it shouldn't be too hard to find a program to play/open them. If I have any more problems (and I'm sure I will) I'll be back

2011-03-29 21:08:00 Author: Zero1Sith Posts: 6

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See also this thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=53847-Problem-with-music-sequencer), which is very similar.

2011-03-30 16:48:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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